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Originally published February 6, 2010 at 03:56p.m., updated February 6, 2010 at 08:52p.m.

FINAL: Marcus Morris scores 20 as KU holds off Nebraska, 75-64

Kansas center Jeff Withey (left) and forward Marcus Morris speak after a timeout in the first half, Saturday, Feb. 6, 2010 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas center Jeff Withey (left) and forward Marcus Morris speak after a timeout in the first half, Saturday, Feb. 6, 2010 at Allen Fieldhouse.

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Reader poll

Who played best in the second half of KU's 75-64 victory over Nebraska?

  • Cole Aldrich 19% 338 votes
  • Sherron Collins 13% 243 votes
  • Marcus Morris 58% 1038 votes
  • Markieff Morris 6% 122 votes
  • Other 1% 31 votes

1772 total votes.

Reader poll

Which KU big man off the bench played better in the first half?

  • Thomas Robinson 28% 6 votes
  • Jeff Withey 66% 14 votes
  • Undecided 4% 1 vote

21 total votes.

Reader poll

Will Xavier Henry score 10 points of more today against Nebraska?

  • Yes 91% 113 votes
  • No 6% 8 votes
  • Undecided 2% 3 votes

124 total votes.

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GameDay Cram Session: Nebraska

KUSports.com online editor Jesse Newell and Journal-World sports editor Tom Keegan take a look at what to expect from the Kansas basketball team's matchup against Nebraska.

FINAL: KU defeats NU, 75-64

Taylor makes one of two free throws, right in line with KU’s percentage for the day (12-for-23, 52.2 percent).

The Rock Chalk Chant starts up with 55.9 seconds left, with Collins at the free-throw line. He only makes one of two, and the free-throw curse has officially hit the entire team.

Anderson buries a deep three. He made four of his five three-point attempts today, meaning KU didn’t find anyone who could guard him.

NU throws in the white flag with 30 seconds left, and Collins dribbles out a 75-64 victory.

KU 71/NU 61 — 1:22 left in 2nd half

Aldrich misses the front end of a one-and-one, and Diaz follows a miss with a layup. NU isn’t out of this one yet.

Markieff Morris is fouled (NU now has 10 team fouls to KU’s two), and he does his part, making both of his free throw tries. The crowd gives him a louder-than-normal ovation.

Markieff follows with a straight-on three that falls through, and Sadler calls his final timeout. No one can say the coach didn’t try to break up this KU run.

KU with a steal, and though Xavier Henry misses an alley-oop attempt, Markieff follows with a lay-in. That’s seven straight points for Markieff, who checks out to a nice ovation a few seconds later.

KU’s transition offense is rolling now, as Collins gets a three in rhythm and buries it from the left wing.

Sek Henry hits a three, and the Jayhawks suffer from extremely poor ball-handling on the next two trips. Taylor loses control on the first possession, and Collins dribbles it off his foot on the second. Self drops his head to rub his forehead both times, looking like he needs some Advil.

Anderson drops a three, and Self calls timeout.

Diaz puts in a baseline shot, and an 8-0 NU run has trimmed KU’s lead from 19 to 11.

Taylor misses a three, but Marcus hustles to track down the rebound. He dribbles into the lane to put in a layup to break KU’s drought.

With a double-team on him, Aldrich finds Marcus across the lane. Marcus finishes with a layup off the glass for his 20th point.

Sek Henry nails a three, but time is running out for the ‘Huskers.

KU 56/NU 46 — 7:45 left in 2nd half

Markieff Morris with a block, and it starts the fast break. Collins dishes to Taylor, who feed Marcus under the basket for a layup and foul. Collins once again shows his emotion, yelling out to the students on the baseline. Sadler calls another timeout, as things have turned bad for the Cornhuskers quickly.

Ubel gets an offensive rebound, but Reed rips it away from him. The KU junior dives on the ground to roll the ball to his nearest teammate.

Brandon Richardson picks up his fifth foul at the 9:55 mark. He’s led NU in scoring for 13 straight games, but he won’t today, finishing with just one point.

KU with another missed free throw (the Jayhawks are 6-for-14 from the line for 42.9 percent), but Aldrich muscles away the offensive board. Xavier Henry takes a few dribbles into the lane before hitting the 16-footer. That’s the Xavier Henry we saw earlier this season.

Aldrich has had a huge impact in there defensively in the second half. Diaz tries a baseline shot over him, but it comes up short for an airball. Reed clears the rebound.

Aldrich is fouled, and after making the first free throw, he misses the second. Self buries his head in his hands. Luckily for KU, NU was in the lane early, and Aldrich swishes the second attempt of his second attempt.

KU 50/NU 44 — 11:38 left in 2nd half

Reed misses a three, but Aldrich is right there to snare the board and put back in the easy layup. KU regains the lead.

Another unforced turnover from NU. The building is starting to come to life.

Aldrich is fouled on a turn-around, but even he is missing free throws. He gets the second one to roll in, and KU has a 6-0 run.

Hawkins-Cole gets an offensive rebound, and Aldrich swats him with a whistle. Aldrich, usually mild-mannered, rips out his mouthpiece and turns around before screaming, “That’s terrible.” Aldrich has three fouls, and he needs to avoid his fourth.

Aldrich is fed up now. He gets it on the block, draws a double-team, spins to the baseline, then throws in a one-handed slam with a foul, screaming out to the crowd afterwards. The fans erupt. As an added bonus, Aldrich hits the free throw.

Following a Standhardinger missed three, Aldrich grabs the rebound. On the other end, Standhardinger flops in the lane with no whistle, and Markieff Morris finishes with a layup. NU probably gets that call at home, but not on the road.

Sadler calls timeout, as KU has scored 11 of the last 12 points.

KU forces a shot-clock violation, and Collins is pumped. He screams, “Yeahhhh” out to the crowd, pumping his fists up and down. KU fans scream with him.

NU 43/KU 42 — 15:09 left in 2nd half

Collins hits a three out of the break. No staring at Sek Henry this time.

Standhardinger throws a pass out of bounds, and just as KU grabs some momentum, we have our first media timeout.

NU 43/KU 39 — 15:44 left in 2nd half

Xavier Henry returns with a bandage over his eye. Though my view was blocked before halftime, that must have been the no-call that got Self the technical foul.

Diaz puts in a layup over Aldrich, and on the other end, Morningstar’s alley-oop attempt to Marcus Morris is caught by an NU defender.

Xavier Henry misses a wide-open three from the side, and as slow as NU is playing, those misses hurt.

Sek Henry puts in a long three at the end of the shot clock, and NU takes a 38-37 lead.

Xavier Henry follows with a nice bounce pass to Marcus, who puts in a layup with a foul. Marcus misses the free throw, though, and KU’s poor free-throw shooting seems to have continued right into this game.

Xavier Henry gets caught up on a screen, and Anderson drains a three from straight-on. Self summons Reed to check in for defensive purposes. NU is 6-for-8 from the three-point line (75 percent).

Marcus Morris misses a short shot, and on the other end, Diaz puts in a layup. Timeout Self, as NU has its largest lead of the game (four).

KU scoring — Marcus Morris 12, Collins 8, X. Henry 6, Withey 4, Taylor 3, Robinson 2, Reed 2.

KU was 14-for-30 from the floor (46.7 percent), 5-for-11 from three (45.5 percent) and 4-for-8 from the free-throw line (50 percent).

NU was 11-for-27 from the floor (40.7 percent), 4-for-6 from three (66.7 percent) and 7-for-11 from the free-throw line (63.6 percent).

KU out-rebounded NU, 19-18, in the first half. NU had 11 turnovers, while KU had nine.

Halftime thoughts

I mentioned this already, but 14 points in the paint is too many for tiny Nebraska. KU should get a boost with Aldrich back on the floor in the second half.

Through three halves of this series this year, I think we’ve established that neither team can guard the other from three-point range.

I’m all about getting motivated for a game, but Collins needs to be careful with this little duel with Sek Henry. Collins was just 3-for-9 in the first half and wasn’t getting anything easy from inside the three-point line.

Marcus Morris with 12 points and eight rebounds at halftime. Once the most inconsistent player KU had, he’s become perhaps the most consistent.

KU 37/NU 33 — Halftime

Withey puts in both ends of the one-and-one. The rest of the team takes notes.

Robinson gets beat on a cut to the basket, and NU’s Jorge Brian Diaz puts in an easy two. Fourteen of NU’s 31 points have come from in the paint.

Robinson is like a statue in the lane, and Quincy Hankins-Cole gets the rebound over him. Robinson picks up his second foul, and he heads back to the bench — more for his play than his fouls, I’m guessing.

Ryan Anderson yells “Rebound” from the NU bench on a pair of Withey free throws. It works, as Withey clangs them both. Marcus Morris cleans up the rebound, though, tipping in the follow. KU is getting all the offensive rebounds lately.

Self is upset over a no-call, and on a timeout, he yells “Unbelievable” to the ref across the court. Immediately, he is T’ed up. That’s a bad technical for Self, as with only 19.3 seconds left in the half, it can’t be used to get his team fired up.

Taylor sticks close to Richardson, and he gets a five-second call on the NU guard. Collins misses a floater at the buzzer, and KU takes a four-point lead into the break.

KU 33/NU 29 — 3:13 left in 1st half

Withey squares up and knocks down a 10-foot jumper. Nice touch from the freshman.

Robinson with his second foul. Seven of KU’s eight fouls have been on the big men.

KU has been active defensively. Collins pokes the ball away, but he can’t save it from going out of bounds after a headlong dive. Taylor nearly has a steal, but he can’t keep it from going over the end line. Brandon Ubel ends up beating the shot clock with a three.

Marcus kicks out to Collins, who drains a three. Again, Henry gets the stare down. Ubel answers with his second straight three, though.

Ubel tries to go inside, but Withey blocks his turn-around. After snaring the rebound, Withey is fouled.

KU 28/NU 21 — 6:45 left in 1st half

Brady Morningstar does his patented move on offense, driving under the basket before jumping to feed Marcus Morris for a layup. I’m sure when Morningstar first goes into the air on that move, it scares Self every time.

Robinson is called for a charge, as Ryan Anderson falls to the floor. NU coach Doc Sadler challenged his team after its last game against Kansas State, saying that his players weren’t playing team defense and weren’t willing to sacrifice their bodies for charges. The ‘Huskers must have been listening, as they already have two charges taken today.

Jeff Withey checks in for his first action.

KU is giving up a ton of layups inside. It’s amazing the difference when Aldrich isn’t in there defensively. Following a layup by Lance Jeter, Self uses his second timeout of the first half with KU up 24-21.

Collins puts in a tough, guarded jumper with the shot clock running down.

Standhardinger is blocked by Withey, and the ball caroms off Standhardinger’s shoulder and out of bounds.

Taylor penetrates the lane, then throws a nice lob pass to Marcus for a lay-in. Marcus has 10 points in the first 12 1/2 minutes.

Collins takes a charge on Jeter. It seems like Colilns has taken a lot of charges in recent games.

KU 20/NU 13 — 11:53 left in 1st half

Xavier misses his first three, but Marcus Morris throws his body into the lane, ripping down a board before getting fouled on the way back up. He misses both free throws, making him 2-for-4 from the line today.

Markieff Morris gets called for a cheap offensive foul, and that’s his third whistle. Thomas Robinson will get some early playing time.

Xavier Henry tries to dribble before he grabs an offensive rebound, but he leaves the ball behind. Realizing his mistake, he dives back to recover possession. Great effort from the future pro.

Cole Aldrich is called for a foul from the backside, and that’s two whistles on him. Meanwhile, Christian Standhardinger puts in the layup with the whistle, and he screams into the air with his fists extended. Interesting show of emotion on an opposing team’s court.

Marcus Morris misses a short shot, but Thomas Robinson slams home the rebound with some authority.

NU scores the next four points, though, helped by a Tyshawn Taylor turnover. Self calls timeout, and KU’s interior defense isn’t the same without Markieff and Aldrich in there.

Out of the break, Taylor spots up for three and drains the long shot. KU is now 4-for-6 from three.

Tyrel Reed follows with a one-handed floater on the baseline that falls through. It looks like Reed has some tape on his left wrist, though it doesn’t seem to be affecting him too much.

KU 13/NU 7 — 15:53 left in 1st half

After two made free throws from Marcus Morris, KU immediately goes to its full-court press. Remember, the Jayhawks used this tactic to wear down the Cornhuskers in the last meeting. Ryan Anderson drains a three in NU’s first possession.

Xavier Henry gets an open look from the right wing, and he swishes the shot. That’s good for KU fans, as Henry has struggled mightily with his shot in Big 12 play.

Brady Morningstar draws two defenders, then tosses a crosscourt pass to Henry for another three. Swish. The crowd has been a little extra loud with Xavier’s three-point makes today. He’s already up to six points.

NU must have done some studying, as Sek Henry motions to his teammates what KU’s play is right after KU coach Bill Self relays it to Sherron Collins.

Morningstar with a swipeaway, and he comes away with a steal. After dribbling up the court, he drives to draw two defenders, then pitches to Collins for a three. Collins stares down Sek Henry the whole way back. I think Collins read the quote from Henry in this story.

Maybe Marcus Morris did work on his layups like he said he was going to after the Colorado game. After getting an inbounds pass from Collins, Marcus lays it in over two defenders.

4:10 p.m.

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3:57 p.m.

Welcome back to the Newell Post Live, coming to you from Allen Fieldhouse where the top-ranked Kansas Jayhawks are getting set to take on the Nebraska Cornhuskers.

We'll get to our normal pre-game chat later, but first, here are some notes about Nebraska, which enters with a 13-9 record.

Nebraska has made 39.7 percent of its three-point attempts this year, which is good for 17th nationally. The Cornhuskers made 11 of their 21 three-point attempts (52.4 percent) in their last game against KU.

NU is coming off a poor defensive performance at home in a 76-57 loss to Kansas State. The Wildcats made 49 percent of their shots while out-rebounding the Huskers, 37-28. KSU also had 38 points in the paint to NU's 22.

NU plays the 293rd-fastest tempo in the NCAA.

Nebraska is 5-13 against ranked teams under coach Doc Sadler.

Guard Brandon Richardson has led NU in scoring for 13 straight games.

• NU averages just 12 turnovers per game, but the Huskers force just 11.7 turnovers per game.

Be sure to vote in our poll on the left, and use the hashtag #kubball to have your Tweets appear in our grid.

Comments

K_Easthouse 9 years, 11 months ago

Normally I wouldn't be scared, but I also worry about us looking past Nebraska towards our Big Monday matchup at Texas. We can't take a day off in the Big 12, even if we are at home.

FairgroveJayhawk 9 years, 11 months ago

Newell Post Live! It's my favorite thing!!!

Mike Kendall 9 years, 11 months ago

Texas is coming back against OU-----on the flipside, Mizzou is beating Colorado by 20---Yikes!!!!!!!!

countrygirl0628 9 years, 11 months ago

is there a link to watch this game online?

chapel4ku 9 years, 11 months ago

What stat goes into figuring the "fastest-tempo" ranking? Also, UT just cut the lead to 7 with 10:30 left...anyways, Rock chalk booooiiiissss!!!!

jcsmith 9 years, 11 months ago

anyone have a link to the web feed?

TroyTV or whatever it is?

Jesse Newell 9 years, 11 months ago

chapel4ku — It's based on possessions per game.

OCJHAWK 9 years, 11 months ago

Try espn 360. Pretty brainless to access and this is a sister channel so should be there.

Dan Harris 9 years, 11 months ago

stupidmichael- you not being scared for this one has me scared now!

Steve Gantz 9 years, 11 months ago

Let's see if Nebraska's free throw defense is as good as Colorado's.

Lactobacillus 9 years, 11 months ago

Does anyone have a link to watch this game? I thought it would be on espn360, but it isn't :(

melrank 9 years, 11 months ago

wissox - I had to read that twice, but that's a funny one.

Kent Wells 9 years, 11 months ago

I'm going out on a limb here, but I think X is going to have a good game!

Kent Wells 9 years, 11 months ago

And for you jinx theorists, one grey goose down and working on No. 2.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 11 months ago

Listening to streaming radio is very nostalgic.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 11 months ago

Do you think Marcus shot some free throw since the CU game? 2-2---okay, game over!!!!!

lance1jhawk 9 years, 11 months ago

Damn... late to the party ;p Liquor run! sorry, Is Michael scared? KU 1,196 NU 68

OCJHAWK 9 years, 11 months ago

It would be good for the league if TX comes back rto win, as OU is S O L for NCAA. I think we should work them Tues, so I want them to win.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 11 months ago

Texas may go down again! If they do they will be out for blood big time on Monday.

kusayzone 9 years, 11 months ago

Cole sits for the rest of the first half

Steve Gantz 9 years, 11 months ago

Air ball by Sherron? Did someone get a hand on it?

kusayzone 9 years, 11 months ago

Sit SC down until the ball goes inside....can always kick it out for a three

melrank 9 years, 11 months ago

Reed with the Tony Parker tear drop - that's nice.

JHawkers 9 years, 11 months ago

Anyone know what channel KU-NU playing?

kusayzone 9 years, 11 months ago

great d by TT........playing like he is on a mission! Lots of screens to fight through!

Lacy Mohler 9 years, 11 months ago

I'm watching on ESPNU.

Collins airball three---no one near him just way out in the boondocks.

FairgroveJayhawk 9 years, 11 months ago

Reed pulling out the tear drop the past two games. sweeeeet.

JHawkers 9 years, 11 months ago

I don't have espnu, does anyone know if u can watch it on-line? Thanks

brooksmd 9 years, 11 months ago

JHawkers...the link to JustinTV is posted a little higher up.

Man, looks like the same piss poor officiating crew that just did the OU-TX game.

brooksmd 9 years, 11 months ago

Marcus has become a scoring machine. What an improvement from last year.

melrank 9 years, 11 months ago

Withey with a nice turnaround that rims out and then a soft 10 footer. Couple of boards and a steal.

Jaybate will be proud.

Lacy Mohler 9 years, 11 months ago

Earlier I checked on MO/CO and at that point each team had been called for 18 fouls in the second half. What is up with the refs?

Sean Rodger 9 years, 11 months ago

Good lord, the stream online makes me want to break out rabbit ears and tin foil to try to get a better signal.

You watch about 1.5 seconds of stream, listen to about 30 seconds of audio while the stream froze, and then start the process alll over again.

This sucks!

Mike Kendall 9 years, 11 months ago

Nah, nah, nah, nah----Let's get Withey-with-it!!!!!!!!!!!

kusayzone 9 years, 11 months ago

KU seems out of rhythm in their offense! Is Nebraska that good on D?

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 11 months ago

jayhawk_sean: You can listen to streaming radio on the Lazer and use your imagination. It will remind you of the 50's, 60's, 70's. There is also a Witchita station that streams.

Kent Wells 9 years, 11 months ago

I'm thinking Texas is going to be ready to play Monday. Darn Zero U.

Withey delivers!

melrank 9 years, 11 months ago

I love TRob but he's a liabilty on the defensive end.

For all those who wonder why he doesn't see more PT, it's his defense.

JHawkers 9 years, 11 months ago

Shouldn't the Jayhawks be poping the cornhuskers in pieces already? Why is the game so tight?

kusayzone 9 years, 11 months ago

SC has once again had a lack luster first half.....where is his head!!! 3-8 and 2 to's

Mike Kendall 9 years, 11 months ago

How much do you have to bleed before a stinkin' foul is called? Good grief! Even Danny Manning said something to the refs. GEEZE-----now a T. My God!!!

Kent Wells 9 years, 11 months ago

Why is the game tight. Great question. I figured 10-22 point spread by now.

Coach looks pissed!

MrPilot 9 years, 11 months ago

What in the crap?! Let's see...why is X bleeding? Oh, yeah, he was FOULED! D-bag refs.

kusayzone 9 years, 11 months ago

Cole has zeroes this game except 2 assists and 2 fouls........that is why this game is close! Find a guard who will get it inside!

JHawkers 9 years, 11 months ago

if we keep playing like this we're gonna be the cows chicken wings on monday

kshaw04 9 years, 11 months ago

Anyone know how to make the annoying ads that show up ontop of the video (justintv) go away? I can't seem to find a way to close them.

melrank 9 years, 11 months ago

No Cole, No Kief, and our starting guards haven't scored a bucket inside the arc.

Thank goodness for Marcus and some timely play from the bench.

brooksmd 9 years, 11 months ago

Be great if the Big 12 had a backup set of officials they could bring in. Between this crew and the one that did the OU-TX game we must have the worse officials in college basketball.

Marcus, you da man.

GEAUX SAINTS!!! Ooops, sorry. Wrong board. lol

brooksmd 9 years, 11 months ago

kshaw04...they go away after a couple of minutes. At least mine did. Just don't mess with them.

JHawkers 9 years, 11 months ago

can anyone send me a link to justintv

melrank 9 years, 11 months ago

ESPNU must not get much of a rating share because their commercials are bottom of the barrel.

Lone_salina_kufan 9 years, 11 months ago

2 reasons we haven't played well:

ZERO Effort ZERO Intensity

Most boring game to watch all year

melrank 9 years, 11 months ago

Dragon - you're right. The crowd needs to get into the game. They stink.

JHawkers 9 years, 11 months ago

I don't see that we can pass the first round in March. We stink!!!!!!

Clarence Haynes 9 years, 11 months ago

Where did these turkey announcers come from?

Kent Wells 9 years, 11 months ago

I'm sorry. Too much vodka. My jacked up TV shows N is winning.

Lone_salina_kufan 9 years, 11 months ago

Crowd sucks because, as of now, the team sucks.

melrank 9 years, 11 months ago

ku - I trust the goose - have another one.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 11 months ago

Good Lord this game has alot of stopage of play. What gives?

Mike Kendall 9 years, 11 months ago

Turkey announcers???? Yep, that's right! I have been listening to Bob & Chris and turning down the sound on the flat screen.

I agree--get Withey in there!

tis4tim 9 years, 11 months ago

FG - NU: .47% KU: .41%

FT - NU: 7-11 KU: 4-9

JHawkers 9 years, 11 months ago

Don't blame the FANS. We are over-rated!

Kent Wells 9 years, 11 months ago

I am sick and effing tired of close games! My heart needs a blow out!

Don't fear the goose. Nice. Honk honk! No. 4. Yummy!

melrank 9 years, 11 months ago

Not so quick on the Cole yank for Withey.

Yakihawk 9 years, 11 months ago

If I hear about Aldrich's unconventional shot one more time, it will 4,767 times too many.

melrank 9 years, 11 months ago

Kief got away with one and it was well deserved.

Kent Wells 9 years, 11 months ago

Mike: 60 in flat screen here. Nice to watch shi!!y basketball in sparkling high def!

Mike Kendall 9 years, 11 months ago

It's about frickin' time! 11-1 run by KU!

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 11 months ago

Another timeout? Play basketball for gosh sakes!

lance1jhawk 9 years, 11 months ago

kuwells- I hear ya... this is pathetic. Its nebraska for christs sake!!!!! and we are at home!!!!! I've been drinkin' the goose since tip, but I may have to go back to the single barell bourbon. You know for luck ;)

Mike Kendall 9 years, 11 months ago

So, Wells-------How was the Colorado trip? Texas on Monday--any thoughts? I guess we have to take care of Nebraska first!!!!

Mike Kendall 9 years, 11 months ago

Tyrel Reed---Man, that guy just hustles his butt off---wouldn't trade him for the world---also, has a "smokin' sister, too!!!!!!

melrank 9 years, 11 months ago

Doc is burning the time-outs.

His recommendation - "Hack a Hawk, they can't shoot FTs".

Scott Smetana 9 years, 11 months ago

hays, go to justin.tv and search for kansas vs nebraska. You can always find the game this way.

I'm thinking Reed over X in crunchtimes. ==

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 11 months ago

Good, get those timeouts used up so we can play basketball! I'am tired of this geriatric pace.

brooksmd 9 years, 11 months ago

HawkfromHays...look at the first few posts and you'll find a link

Clarence Haynes 9 years, 11 months ago

These announcers are turkeys as well as jerks!

Kent Wells 9 years, 11 months ago

Make that 4,768. Loved that 3 minute dissertation on his shot...

Kent Wells 9 years, 11 months ago

I was really enjoying phi slamma jamma dudes Mickey Mouse ears. Mmmmm. Blonde.

countrygirl0628 9 years, 11 months ago

www.justin.tv/thebestsportschannel#r=h5syWNO it is choppy for those who dont have strong internet

Yakihawk 9 years, 11 months ago

Who else would like to see a Doc Sadler V. Frank Martin Celebrity Death Match?

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 11 months ago

Hallelujah!!!!!!!!! Nebraska final timeout. Now we can play a basketball game.

Scott Smetana 9 years, 11 months ago

Put in the bench, now. let's see EJ and CJ

Kent Wells 9 years, 11 months ago

Mike: I guess if the real UT shows up, we'll win by 6 or 8.

Mmmmm. I think I just saw Lacie.

Lance: that sounds good, but I might punch a hole in the TV if I switch to whiskey.

Bigdaddy: 10 and 2 big fella. Let's get to Asstown safely! I'm on it. No. 5!

Scott Smetana 9 years, 11 months ago

the announcer has a crush on Collins.

Nebraska, CU, ISU are so well coached with little talent. I'd be so proud of my coach/programs with what they're doing with what they have.

Steve Gantz 9 years, 11 months ago

On paper it will look like a rout, but my oh my, what's wrong with this team? Can't shoot FT's anymore, turnovers, collins reading his press, jawing up the opposition. We're sure giving our detractors some ammo tonight.

Scott Smetana 9 years, 11 months ago

I'm thinking Texas will have a break out game on Monday. I don't think a loss will hurt us at all. Let UK be 1 for awhile.

lance1jhawk 9 years, 11 months ago

HawkfromHays- Ditch Eagle cable and go with dish network its cheaper and you you get tons more HD and regular channels.

Scatterhawk 9 years, 11 months ago

You guys are right, this team is terrible!

Only up 15+ with 4+ minutes to go against a conference opponent! I'm offended by this!

melrank 9 years, 11 months ago

Scatter - thanks for trying to instill some sanity.

Yakihawk 9 years, 11 months ago

Wonder Hanger looks like a really good value!!

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 11 months ago

Isn't Nebraska shooting above their average on 3 pointers this game?

melrank 9 years, 11 months ago

Marcus needs to stop improving so much - he might want to turn Pro, too.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 11 months ago

This home crowd has got to change. It's a basketball game, not a golf tournament.

kusayzone 9 years, 11 months ago

This game should never be this close....Nebraska gets threes from unknowns and SC has some personal duel with a Nebraska player! If he needs the crowd to get up everytime he does something that is expected of him......our fearless leader has a problem!

Mike Kendall 9 years, 11 months ago

Survive and move on to Texas! For some reason, I don't feel warm and fuzzy inside for Monday. Wells, do you have anything for me to drink?

kshaw04 9 years, 11 months ago

They mentioned a our 62 home game wins in the 90's...Anyone know what school has the longest home game winning steak and what it is?

Ben Kane 9 years, 11 months ago

say what you want. nit pick as you will. But this team just has a nose for winning.

Philip Garver 9 years, 11 months ago

Wells....driving through Ft. Worth right now. Hopefully, in Austin by ten. On 6th street by 11 and asleep in a gutter with a bottle of Jack Daniels in my hand by 3 A.M.

jayhawkinnc 9 years, 11 months ago

The record for most consecutive home court basketball victories for one school is 129 straight by Kentucky in the 1950's.

Ben Kane 9 years, 11 months ago

oh, and ignore those moron announcers. this is our conference to lose. not winning the conference at this point would be a huge disappointment. even with a loss to texas (which I don't think happens) we still have a pretty good cushion in the conference.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 11 months ago

Good point, Chuck. When Selection Sunday comes, a team only needs to win six games when March Madness arrives. That "nose for winning" will come in handy!

lance1jhawk 9 years, 11 months ago

BigDaddyJayhawk- A man with a plan........ I like it!!!!!!!!

kshaw04 9 years, 11 months ago

Thanks tis4tim...I found something on UCLA winning 88 games in a row (plus two national championships) in the 70's impressive. 129 is a lot of games, damn shame it was Kentucky.

Joe Baker 9 years, 11 months ago

I turned the volume off. Matvick and Gettys are horrible!

Rock Chalk Jayhawk Beat ut!

Kent Wells 9 years, 11 months ago

Mike: So, the last 3 games have pretty much wiped out my liquor supply. Don't know about you...

And as for the trip to Colorado. It was nice. I stayed in Colorado Springs so the drive to the hotel after the game in a freaking snow storm was a PITA! I was with mostly KU people at the game. It was not the best game and CU must have the worst gym in the league. They dont even have a scoreboard over center court!

6-0 in March/April is all that matters...

Bigdaddy: Dream on. Texas traffic on 35 sucks. You will probably see Austin by 11. So, you either need to drink faster, or move gutter time to 4AM!

lance1jhawk 9 years, 11 months ago

Get Withey some PT (next year)Bill! The kid needs time

Clarence Haynes 9 years, 11 months ago

I think that the rotation number is going to shrink, and Withey will be a part of it. I will also say that all of you Aldrich naysayers from January are eating crow! Just keep winning 'Hawks!

tis4tim 9 years, 11 months ago

kshaw04,

I'll have to give jayhawkinnc credit for the assist. He typed faster than I did...lol.

kshaw04 9 years, 11 months ago

Just checked the schedule and noticed the KU-KSU game is on the big 12 network. How did that manage not to be on a national channel.

Ben Kane 9 years, 11 months ago

at this point i'm going to assume X stays next year and Collins and Cole go NBA (though I think there is a chance Cole could come back, slim it is). X has no need of money, his dad has plenty and so does his brother. So unless he is a lottery pick he will come back because there is no reason for him to go until he is. So anyway, I think we are going to be really, really, really, disgustingly good next year. We will lose a lot in those two, but with everyone else having that much more experience, we could be amazing. that's all I have to say about that.

Kent Wells 9 years, 11 months ago

So, what the heck is going on.... No EJ again... Any thoughts???

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 11 months ago

chuckberry32: X has no need of money, his dad has plenty and so does his brother, may be true. But the nature of people is to want more as soon as possible.

MrPilot 9 years, 11 months ago

X will be back, and I think Cole's decision will be based heavily on if we hang another banner in the Fieldhouse. If we win it all again, I think it's probably even odds if he comes back or not (he's said repeatedly he really wants to get his degree - and being in the running for Academic All-American, he's no slouch in the classroom). If we don't win it all, I think odds are probably 60 to 70% he comes back, both to have another shot at it and for his degree.

Don't sign Cole's NBA draft papers just yet...

Marcia Parsons 9 years, 11 months ago

I suspect their heads were already in Texas.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 11 months ago

Sorry BCRaven---I agree with Chuck. Would love to see Cole back next year, but I don't think it will happen. X needs to stay to get his skills sharpened. Next year---are we preseason #1 again? I know it is too premature to talk about that stuff but I guess I threw it on the table for anybody who wants to share.

okiedave 9 years, 11 months ago

KU has 4 tough road games coming up in places where we have had problems pulling out victories in the past:

Texas - Longhorns will be pumped in must game for them. A&M - Not a gimme by a long shot OSU - Has Self ever won in Stillwater? Don't think so. Mizzou - Misswho fans live for this game. A win over KU in Columbia makes the pain of being a tiger fan less depressing...until the following morning when they wake up and realize that this will be the only shinning moment they will ever experience.

superdave 9 years, 11 months ago

I think X will be back - he's proven his game needs a lot of work in many areas and needs to be able to prove that he can get his own shot, which he simply can't do right now. Cole will be gone, regardless what happens the rest of the year. We will be loaded (again) and I like the amount that TRob and Withey are playing. Adapting to the intensity of league play will help them next year. Withey is able to contribute positively already. Road games are always a tremendous challenge, especially on Big Monday, so let's hope we bring intensity from the opening tip - I have a feeling we will. I hope they consider that I can't stay up 'til midnight to watch another OT game and get enough sleep to be at the top of my game the next day. Let's handle it in regulation!

jhawkazmars 9 years, 11 months ago

Where has the KU basketball team gone? The closer we get to March, the worse we look. I am a little worried about Monday, and the rest of our road games. I am tired of watching close games, we should have beat the worst team in the Big 12 AT Allen Field House by 40 points. We're number 1??

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

melrank,

Yes, it was great to see Withey for 9 minutes. He's going to be a terrific center for us next season. In fact, if Thomas Robinson develops in the off season as I expect him to do, KU is likely to have the best front court in the country again next season. Its great to be a Jayhawk, when you've got a Withey on the bench!

et al,

Self accomplished what he wanted to:

He rested Cole.

He rested Brady.

He avoided costing Doc Sadler his job.

I felt we finally saw all of KU's players playing like a team today.

There seemed to be a lot of love among the players today.

Something about Marcus Morris breaking out the last few games has turned last year's team, plus Xavier, into this year's team.

Team chemistry is a strange and subtle thing.

This team did not want to be last year's team, that is, Sherron and Cole, and the role players.

And yet this year's team has struggled all season to find an identity and way of playing that was substantially different and better.

Now, I believe the team has come together and just in time for Texas.

Sherron, Cole and Marcus are the cornerstones of this team now. They are the guys who beat another team down offensively.

Tyshawn/Brady on one wing are the guys who give provide the glue.

Xavier is the guy who provides steady defense and occasional offensive spice.

And isn't this just about how it should be, given the pecking order of experience?

We all kind of expected Xavier to become the third option that made this year's team its own edition, but I am now convinced, that while Xavier is destined to be a great player, given this team's dynamics, his role this season is going to be kind of like Jordan's on his UNC championship team. Xavier will play increasingly steady defense, and a few times a game tip the momentum of a game with some outside shooting, or some driving.

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

But the triumvirate that is going to break the other team's back is Sherron, Cole and Marcus.

The reason Marcus is becoming so pivotal (pun intended) is that Marcus doing his thing from the high post, or from down low, feeds into the down the middle dynamic of this team, rather than diluting it.

From here on out, if you want to beat this KU team, you have to stop them down the middle, or they will cut your heart out down the middle.

And if you stop them down the middle, they are going to kick it out to Xavier, Brady, Tyshawn, and Tyrel and make you pay.

With Marcus blossoming, the team dynamic is starting to remind me of Donovan's two Florida champions with Horford and Noah, plus a dead eye at the 3 spot (though X is much more talented), and great quickness at the 1 and 2 spots (with better trey shooting than Florida had there).

Texas will be a great next test for this emergent 2010 team of KU's.

We probably will not shoot 42 from trey against Texas.

We will probably see just how tough Cole and Marcus are as a tandem in this game.

I think KU will try to take it to Texas' bigs early and get them fouled up.

I don't think Texas can play both Cole and Marcus straight up.

I think their wide load center can guard Cole straight up for a while.

This means Texas has to make a choice about Marcus. To double, or not to double.

I'm guessing they try to sag off and help on him a little.

Damion James may do the sagging.

But more likely it will be Texas' 2 position player.

I'm guessing they ask James to try to lock down X.

This means:

A) Sherron has to be at his best; and B) KU's 2 position has to produce 15 points.

And this is part of why Brady was rested as much as Cole.

The other reason is that Brady is going to have guard Damion James quite a bit, because X is going to get tired muscling with him in a hurry.

This will be the game Self wishes he had Mario Little.

But if Texas can't control Marcus, the triad of Sherron, Cole and Marcus will cut their hearts out...right down the middle.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 11 months ago

Okiedave---You hit the nail on the proverbial head---those four games makes me nervous. I listened to HCBS comments after the game and Chris Piper asked Coach Self about those four games. Coach Self said we're going to embrace the atmosphere (like what he said at K-State). He said the Texas crowd will be pumped and hopefully, his guys will give it their best effort because of the crowd.

lance1jhawk 9 years, 11 months ago

Jaybate... If you had a news letter...I would be the first to subscibe. I like your thoughts and ideas. RCJHGKU BEAT TEXAS

Rock_The_Chalk 9 years, 11 months ago

jaybate... are you kidding me. Mario Little? There is no way he would step foot on the court in the Texas game. Unless we were in serious foul trouble. Cole, Keiff, Marcus, AND Withey. No one is wishing we had Little. Do you watch the games or are you just a stat nerd?

Michael Pannacciulli 9 years, 11 months ago

someone please enlighten me about what the KU team will look like next year. i have heard zilch about recruiting.

superdave 9 years, 11 months ago

Next year: PG - Tyshawn - Elijah Johnson - Woolridge SG - CJ Henry - Tyrel Reed SF - X - Mario Little - Releford PF - Marcus - TRob C - Withey - Markieff

Not too shabby!

Jack Wilson 9 years, 11 months ago

Superdave .. X is gone; still a top 20 pick. Try this:

  1. EJ
  2. TT
  3. Releford
  4. Marcus
  5. Withey

Markieff, Robinson, Reed, Little, and maybe CJ round out the rotation.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 11 months ago

But as for the here and now, is this crazy, but should our offense run through Marcus? More Marcus = more room for Cole. Marcus is the incredible story of this season. He could be an All-American next season.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 11 months ago

Thank God for Marcus, today!!!! What's scarey (are you listening, stupidmichael?), is that he still can get better! Wow!

arvadajayhawk 9 years, 11 months ago

Head's up Jesse... the box score lists C.J. instead of Xavier.

trueblue9 9 years, 11 months ago

brady will still be around, although old enough to rent a car.

okiedave 9 years, 11 months ago

mpann1818 - I think that Woolridge is our only commitment for 2010. With our Redshirts coming back and Woolridge, we are full up. Going to need to recruit some length for 2011.

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

kuwells,

EJ is odd man out, probably because this team has evolved in a direction that does not need what he has to offer.

It has transformed the last month and a half into Sherron, Cole and Marcus each getting 15 to 20 apiece, and the rest coming from trey shooting.

Let's put it this way: for EJ to get minutes, he has to give better defense, better post feeding, and better three point shooting than Tyrel.

EJ's problem is that Tyrel has fooled everyone, including Self, by developing foot quickness on defense not only in the off season but as this season has progressed. Tyrel no longer kills us on defense. In fact, he's the only guy on the team right now with quick enough hands to get a few strips. He's still no speed demon, but he is now just quick enough on defense not to hurt us, while not making mistakes, feeding the post, and popping the triceratop for 40% plus. EJ hasn't even learned not to get burned yet, much less not make TOs, or shoot 40% from trey. Self already has an EJ with a lot more experience, a guy with great speed, quickness and athleticism, but who only shoots 35% from trey. His name is Tyshawn Taylor and he's a better defender than EJ.

EJ is in the same position as Travis Releford last year, only KU has more experienced depth this year, so instead of getting occassional looks, EJ is getting zip.

Self loves EJ, but this year's team just doesn't need what he can do, as much as it needs steady D, minimal TOs, and a 40% trey gun.

I'm guessing he is a 20 minute man at the 1 and 2 next season, if Self does not land a great natural PG in this year's crop that keeps Tyshawn at the 2. If Self lands a great PG prospect, and with Woolridge coming in as a 2, and Tyshawn, Brady, and Tyrel back for another go round, plus Releford able to swing between 2 and 3, with his size, Elijah might transfer.

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

So long as KU has four great big men each year, the premium skill for perimeter minutes is always going to be defense, low TOs, and a 40% trey gun.

Self will always be able to afford one 35% trey shooting super athlete who can sky to the rim on the perimeter. But with four bigs who can score, he just needs more trey shooters than skywalkers.

Elijah's greatest concern next year is who runs the point? Were Self to land another PG who shoots 40% from trey like Sherron (unlikely), Elijah would probably be buried for another year. But more likely, Self isn't going to land any PG and Elijah and Tyshawn will share the PG.

What's the best thing Elijah could do the rest of this season, this off season to get ready for next year?

Simple, become a 40% trey shooter. But that is just about the hardest thing to become, if you are not.

Shy of that, his only hope is to become a lock down defender who never turns it over and picks up minutes at both the 1 and the 2.

Great big men are a blessing and a curse for the perimeter players. They really narrow down the skill set required of a perimeter player in the three point era muscle ball. Slashers just get in the way most of the time. Defense, low TOs, 40% trifecta. Its a mantra of our time.

Wish it weren't some times, but wishin' don't make it so.

He's in a tough spot, but he's got a ton of potential and he's got to believe in himself.

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

Rock_The_Chalk ,

I never know whether to digitally slap guys like you before or after setting you straight. :-)

Little played the 4 last year, because Self was desperate.

Little will not play the 4 next year.

Little would not play the 4 this year.

Little is going to be a lock down 3 next year and would be this year.

Little is absolutely the perfect guy to have on Damion James, to muscle him, to wear him down, to hound him whenever X is out of the game taking a blow, and when Brady and Tyshawn are taking turns locking down the 2.

Next.

GreyHawker 9 years, 11 months ago

bhann......nice SHORT concise post.....might argue your player rankings alittle but.......jaybate...you might be right on EJ but one thing troubles me......why did Conner T get some minutes @ Colo....gotta give the dog a few bones or he will be gone.....something more going on here......

Jesse Newell 9 years, 11 months ago

arvada — Thanks for the heads-up. An outside service does that for us, so I'll try to have to find out the right person to email.

JayDocMD 9 years, 11 months ago

It's looking like a mistake not to have red-shirted EJ.

superdave 9 years, 11 months ago

BHann: Read my post again - I said in my first post that he needs to be able to create his shot to get drafted and I have him as the starting 3 position in my next post.

jayjank 9 years, 11 months ago

jaybate, Damian James is playing 4 for Texas, not 3. Texas starting line-up is: James, Pittman, and three guards Balbay, Bradley, and Mason. Marcus is supposed to guard James which I think he is capable of. I don't see EJ transferring next year. He is the only point guard in the current roster. I am definitely not comfortable with the idea of TT starting as point guard. If we don't recruit another point guard, I would expect EJ to play 30+ minutes next year. TT will occasionally play point guard when EJ is on the bench just like he is doing this year when SC is on the bench. If we recruit another point guard ( I hope Josh Selby), I would expect EJ and the new recruit to share minutes in the point guard position and TT to play strictly 2. I don't understand why anybody would think that EJ expected to get serious playing time this year. He knew that he would have to wait for the senior AA point guard SC to leave. The most he could have done was to get 6-10 minutes a game as point guard when SC in on the bench. Not getting any playing time shouldn't be extremely disappointing for EJ considering low expectations. It would be a very dumb decision to transfer and sit for another year when the 32 min/game starting point guard leaves.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 11 months ago

bhann: I wish you were right. The NBA scouts see the huge upside. He's gone. Not worth debating though, as it is clearly a "wait and see" and I hope you're right ... though I think Releford hopes you're wrong.

Jaybate: Yikes, your take on EJ is scary. I've seen a lot of guys come and go, and few have excited me as much as EJ. I would agree, that in the looks we've had, it appears TT is a better defender. But what I saw from EJ was a guy who has an eye for the ball, and an eye for the passing lane. And he's quicker than TT. Really, though, it is not whether he is as good NOW, but whether he would be as good with some real minutes to work to that point. And you way over state TT's defensive skills. Lock down? Not even close.

You don't judge a player on one skill, but the net package. Everyone has positives and negatives. It's how it all plays out. And despite the Taylor love some of you offer, you saw a guy play 22 minutes tonight and do very little for this team. I just got done watching the game again. Taylor's defense was just ok. There is nothing this guy excels at, but the key to Taylor is that he makes the critical error at the critical time. The anti-clutch player, I've said before.

What I see from Taylor is a guy who could average major assists per game, but who is too selfish to be that guy; and a guy who really is an unskilled passer. That may be the biggest deficiency. Some guys see the openings, some guys "have it." He clearly doesn't. Stats don't quantify that. No one lauds his passing ability, or his "post feeding", right? That's because he is a poor passer. I want our compliment to Collins to be an assist machine.

Jaybate: you say, "Let's put it this way: for EJ to get minutes, he has to give better defense, better post feeding, and better three point shooting than Tyrel."

You may be right. That may be Self's take. But you know what, there are basketball players. You know them when you see them. They get up and down the court. They create. They move without the ball. They can score without needing to catch the ball stepping into their shot. They make the players around them better. They can find the open man. They can hit the runner. They lead the break. They deliver the ball. They finish at the rim. And they can handle the ball. We've seen it .. Mario Chalmers. I'm not saying EJ is all of that; I'm saying TT is not, and he is not even close. And we have clear evidence of that. And I'm saying that EJ is a heck of a lot closer to "all that" than TT is. Defense is but a part of the game, and the TT defenders way, way overstate his defense. It is average at best.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 11 months ago

Please, I have asked this question of the TT lovers/apologists out there, and have never gotten one response: If you could have one player for the next two years, would you choose TT or EJ (not what you think coach Self might want, but what you would want on your team)?

melrank 9 years, 11 months ago

HEM - I'll answer that.

Given what little I've seen of EJ, I'd take my chances with TT.

GreyHawker 9 years, 11 months ago

HighEliteMajor...........agreed..............well stated...........

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

Greyhawk,

It was about this time last year that Appleton and Quintrel became nonpersons and decided to transfer. I can see why you wonder.

I have not noticed him in any TV shots of the bench. Is he way down there with Jordan and Chase and sulking? Or is he a happy camper cheering and waiting for next year?

What none of us knows about EJ is what his three point shooting percentage and TOs are in practice.

In games EJ has shot 30% from trey and that is not good enough to play for KU...anywhere...even back-up minutes.

We also don't know if he turns the ball over a lot in practice. He has a lot of TO's per minutes in games played.

If your hunch were right and something were up, my best guess would be that Self and the staff have decided that EJ just can't shoot the rock from trey well enough to really invest in him. He transfers and frees up a scholie.

But again, if you were asking me to bet, I would bet EJ is caught up in a numbers game with the wrong array of skills for a mature team in the hunt for a title.

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

Self said EJ was one of the most amazing impact athletes he had ever recruited; that you don't lose. Self never said that sort of thing about Tyrone Appleton, or Quintrel Thomas, so I just don't see him fitting in their category, unless he has proven to be an utterly hopeless trey shooter in practice.

Self really pushed EJ early, as he did Quintrel, and EJ gave it his best, showed some flashes of brilliance (unlike Quintrel last year), I thought, but no where near enough steadiness, so maybe Self just flat decided he makes too many mistakes to be useful this year and that's that. EJ is getting the Russell Robinson seat at the end of the bench. :-)

Bottom line, I've never seen a guy with EJ's positive attitude and athleticism get flushed, so I still have to go with him on the RR seat and coming back next year and getting better.

But you never know what the cat will drag in for recruits and transfers this time of year, either.

Dan Harris 9 years, 11 months ago

Damn there sure is a lot of bitchin and moaning about a team that is 22-1! Lets enjoy the ride, we're alright and heading for a 6th straight big12 championship rcjh BEAT TEXAS!

KULA 9 years, 11 months ago

Question for you HighElite--If you're trying to win a championship THIS year, would you go with TT or EJ? I gotta go with TT. That said, I do think EJ should've been worked into the rotation 6-8 min/game just to get Sherron some rest.

And I'll keep harping on Withey's PT like I have been all year (2010), He should've been playing 3-4 min/half since he got eligible. From what I've seen, he doesn't cost us much when he comes in. He appears to be quicker than Cole and he definitely gets his shot off quicker. Gosh, imagine Withey & Cole playing together.

GreyHawker 9 years, 11 months ago

jaybate.......for top 10 programs (KU)....is the day of recruiting kids and developing them a thing of the past.....if you don't immediately contribute are you going to get covered up and some one better brought in......I also realize kids ego's often get in the way of EVER being a second fiddle until it's your time........maybe some of X's problem......

Jack Wilson 9 years, 11 months ago

Melrank - you make one. It'd be easy for us to choose up sides. I'm curious, and more than willing to be educated .. of the things I listed off about what you can see in a basketball player .. finish at the rim, deliver the ball, make others around you better, etc. .. what do you see that TT excels at?

Jack Wilson 9 years, 11 months ago

KULA: You didn't answer my question. What is your answer?

As to your question, I would have given EJ 25 minutes tonight just to see, and another 25 at home to Iowa St. next week and would have risked a loss make an assessment as to whether he could step in, given Taylor's poor performances. But really, I would have done the experiment in December, risked a loss or two then before conference season, committed to getting him minutes under fire, and then you could really compare and decide. I had that opinion then (and stated it constantly) because I predicted this with Taylor.

As of now, yes, I agree. I'd go with TT this year. And I would suck it up and commit to TT over Reed. We might be too late to really experiment with EJ.

sizehawk 9 years, 11 months ago

Late night observations.

One tends to forget, it seems, that KU has led the nation for more than anyone up until now. Some of it earned and the preseason, unearned.

Every team is out to "get" us, which makes every game a crapshoot.

NU, as I recall, leads the league in defense, which may help to explain KU's poorer offensive showing.

As for the players:

It would be a shame for X to leave too early. He is not as developed as we were led to beleive, and he should know it. I am sure that Carl knows it. However, he may be a high draft by reason of his "potential".

Cole may stay, by reason of his academic potential/goals, but will undoubteely be a high draft choice. He is a sort of Clark Kent/Superman type of player. His first half tonight was lackluster, perhaps by reason of not getting the ball, but his last half was super. The move he made, faking to the right and then going left through two defenders for a gimmie/dunk was wonderful. His rebounding was great also, and his outlet passes are things of beauty.

Sherron has had a few off nights/days latley on the passing end of things and has thrown it away a few times, un "Sherron like". But he is still the glue to the tiem effort. It will be interesting to see who can possibly replace him.

Morningstar and Reed have been covered like a blanket in the last two games. They have not had the opportunity to get "their" shot. The both need the time to set themseves up for "the shot" from the cormer, but they are always a threat, especiaally if the ball goes into the paint before they get the ball.

Thyshawn and X are enigmas, who should be doing better, but have aways to go.to in pressure situations.

Robinson is a bull in a china shop, who will become more tralented as the years go by.

Withey is showing more talent each week. He does not yet, however, have the strenght and knowhow of Cole. More time with Manning will be good for him.

The rotation is fine, with the occasional appearance of some of the irregulars. Bill Self is a master of management. We need the stability of a relatively constant rotation to get the goal that is in everybody's mind, a national championship.

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

HighEliteMajor,

Welcome to the haunted web site. Your posts always scare the dickens out of me. :-)

Nevertheless: how does a freshman PG haunt Coach Self, almost as much as we haunt each other and reduce the player to a DNP? :-)

Let me count the ways:

  1. EJ shoots 30% from trey.

  2. EJ makes too many TOs per minute.

  3. EJ gets burned on defense.

  4. And 1 through 3 above mostly against cup cakes.

I could waste a lot of time and key strokes elucidating why your basically "aesthetic" criterion for allocating PT would be simplistic and problematic for a coach to rely upon.

But instead, I'll just say it is naive, and move on to an interesting issue about EJ in hopes of triggering your intellect to rise beyond aesthetics for analysis of KU basketball players, or beyond what some might call the good basketball player pornography test of "I know a good basketball player when I see one, regardless of what Coach Self thinks."

So: here goes with the heady stuff, now, okay? :-)

Why exactly is one of the best impact athletes Self has ever recruited, according to Self, having so much trouble with the transition to D1, especially when he "looks" so good? :-)

(Note: see, I really am most agreeable. I agree with you that EJ "looks" good.)

Well, here is my best guess:

EJ did not play PG in high school, if I recall correctly, and so it may all just be a little too much for him to learn and master at even a minimum level of proficiency his first year.

EJ played the 2 in high school, as did Tyshawn Taylor.

And you rightly point out that Tyshawn is a little iffy as a PG from time to time.

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

Proficiency is not just how good or bad you dribble at PG. Point guard is a state of mind.

(Note: I feel entitled to take some poetic license like "point guard is a state of mind" and its associated vagary, because, well, because you like to allocate PT on "looks" and ignore 30% trey shooting, TOs, and getting burned on defense by cupcakes.) :-)

Anyway, being a point guard requires a strong-willed, take-charge personality. It requires the respect and trust of teammates. It requires a guy to be able to nimbly shift from broad to narrow focus and back again. It requires a guy who can switch between controlling flow of play and letting play happen. It requires leadership skills. It requires great dribbling skills with both paws. It requires accurate passing. It requires penetrating and a willingness to get feisty occasionally. It requires someone who knows which teammates to chew on and which ones to baby and console. Come to think of it, it requires someone quite like Sherron Collins. You don't have to be a 40% trifectator, as Sherron is, and, in fact, Sherron is kind of rare that way (he is like Bobby Hurley with a J and muscle), but you do need to have all the other skills I mentioned. And if you can't really pot the triceratop, well, then you better be an exceptionally good defender (something Sherron is still not as good as would be preferred) that locks down another PG and gets some strips along the way, so as to compensate for your lack of trey scoring.

Now think about The Prophet. Again, the poor devil didn't even play PG in high school. And now he has to learn to play one of the toughest positions on a D1 team without ever having actually played the position before; that's a load of learning in a very short time...no matter how good "looking" you are! :-)

I submit, as a rational alternative explanation to your rather fanciful ideas about why EJ is perhaps not playing (but you believe ought to be playing), and even possibly to explain why the exceptional "looking" EJ may not suddenly transform into a smoothly functioning PG next year, either, is that he just may not be a natural born PG.

Oh, lord, could it possibly be so simple?

Recall that RR was a high school PG, and a fairly highly ranked one, and he had to struggle a bit with the transition and the players ahead of him his first season.

Now imagine, if you will, trying to learn to be a PG amidst the order of magnitude leap in intensity of D1.

Frankly, when I imagine what I have just asked you to imagine, I suddenly grow not the least bit surprised that he could not make the transition to playing significant minutes at PG this year.

In fact, I would even go so far as to say, that even if EJ looked as good as Beyonce, he would still probably have a very difficult time getting even first backup PT at PG on this KU team, having not played PG in high school.

Capice?

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

sizehawk,

Darned sensible late night observations. My compliments.

KULA 9 years, 11 months ago

HEM, considering how little of EJ I've actually seen, I'll go with TT. He did a heckuva job last year stepping in as a freshman, expected to be the 3rd scoring option (9+ppg). Considering the new responsibilities he's had to take on this year, I still like his play. And next year, I'll bet we'll see TT average 15-16ppg with multiple 20 pt games. I see EJ as a pt guard and TT as a 2. If you're talking about giving EJ some of X's minutes, I could get behind that idea. But I'd rather not make this stretch run with 2 freshmen playing major minutes. Especially with all the experienced players we've got at those positions.

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

Regarding Tyshawn:

If one judges TT by what role Self apparently wants him to play for the team, rather than by an exhalted notion of how good he might be, TT was pretty darned good tonight. Its taken most of the season, but he is now able to do just about everything that Brady can do, except shoot 40% from trey. And lo and behold, even Ty's trey shooting has crept back up to last year's 36%, which is good enough for him, given what he also brings as a threat to drive from the wing to the rim.

Frankly, dragnslyr shamed me into watching Tyshawn closely a couple games ago, and after distilling his problems to concentration, and after I too took off the lenses of how good Ty might be, Tyshawn has surprised me with how well he is playing the role Self has assigned at the two that Brady patented last year at the 3.

While Tyshawn is not a natural PG, he is also not a natural glue guy either. It is a credit to TT that he has now learned to be a credible glue man. And it also doesn't hurt that Self seems to have let him out of the toughening box at last. TT now gets to make a few mistakes without the coaching hell mouth opening up and swallowing him into the dark recesses of the toughening box. Though Ty still made some booboos against NU, I thought he looked the most composed and confident I've seen him, since Self took him into toughening box for a psychological rebuild starting relatively early this season. To Ty's credit, I would say he has endured and survived the toughening box longer than any other player I can recall in Self's tenure. I used to think Self had been hardest on Mario Chalmers, but even Mario never had to go under the needle starting the third week of the season and continue in it to February 1st. Mario's toughening used to start around the first of the year and then by mid February he was ready to fight Self in the huddle. Ty hasn't even dared Self to fight him yet. I expect that confrontation will come next season, after next year's visit to the toughening box. :-)

Self, like all enormously charming persons, can apparently be a nearly unbearable mind tweaker, when he decides you aren't quite emotionally tough enough yet.

KULA 9 years, 11 months ago

'Slayr, I agree about resting Sherron. I've been saying for a month that EJ should replace Sherron for 3-4 min/half to get him some rest (and EJ some valuable experience). I'd hate to see Sherron cramp up again down the stretch in a tournament game. Btw, ru in LA?

KULA 9 years, 11 months ago

Jaybate, you're too generous when you judge Brady as a shooter strictly on %. He shoots a good % cuz he never takes a tough shot. He never takes a shot off the dribble, or off a move. And if he does, he misses. He's just not that much of an offensive threat. I'll take TT ability to "get" a shot and create a shot, and drive to the hole, over Brady's "only shoot when wide open" style. TT is MUCH more of an offensive threat than Brady.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 11 months ago

Jaybate: Lots of keystrokes for just a few points.

You simply have your facts wrong -- 1) Russell Robinson was a shooting guard, not a point, coming out on NY. Link below. 2) EJ did play point. You'll see links below, even to this website, stating he played point. 3) EJ was ranked as a point guard. He has always played point. Links below. 4) Your statement that he didn't play PG in high school is dead-wrong. There are multiple youtube clips of him at the point, and other links verifying. 5) He moved to combo for his AAU team, and played some 2 his senior season. Before that, pure point.

Next, I have never said that EJ is a pure point guard at the D1 level, anyway .. he's a natural combo guard. But he doesn't need to "learn to be a PG" as you suggest. Again, your premise is just wrong. But that doesn't keep you from stating it as the gospel.

Quotes for a LJW Story, link below:

“If he was on our team now,” Self added, “he would be hands-down the best athlete on our team. He is a running, jumping, scoring, fast, active guard. He has a great chance to help us right off the bat.”

“That makes me feel good to hear him say that,” Elijah said of Self’s comments on his athleticism.

Johnson — who averaged 15.7 points, 7.4 rebounds and 8.9 assists as a junior at Cheyenne High — is beginning his fourth year as a varsity player for 12th-year Cheyenne High coach Teral Fair, who will use Johnson mostly at the point this season.

“There are really no weaknesses in his game that I can see offensively,” Fair said. “He is a streaky long-range shooter, legitimate NBA range when he’s on. He’s exceptional finishing around the basket. I’d like to see him develop his mid-range game more. His passing is the strongest point of his game. He’s unselfish to a fault.”


Jack Wilson 9 years, 11 months ago

Geez, I need two posts for this .. getting into jaybate, kushaw territory .. here's the rest:

You speculate that EJ would shrivel against the Nebraskas, or Missouris, or Colorados of the world. There is nothing to even remotely prove that. It is absolute pure speculation.

This is a 5 star guy. My point has always been, like Chalmers .. play him and you'll see what you have in March. Add that to our experience with Cole and Sherron, and you have the potential for great things. Remember Self playing Hawkins because of his "experience" until the truth was too obvious to avoid? Is Taylor any better than Hawkins? You might look at those stats .. perhaps you'd rather have Hawkins than Taylor.

EJ has taken a grand total of 13 three pointers, so your 30% is based on too small of a sample. The guy is a bomber. Always has been. It is well known that Taylor may not have been the 4th best player on his high school team (albeit a good team). Until EJ gets a chance to prove it, it is all speculation anyway. But what we see from Taylor is not speculation. It is, unfortunately, evidence we can't avoid.

http://collegebasketball.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=430 http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=1911 http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/sports/2008/oct/19/cheyennes-elijah-johnson-commits-kansas/ http://www2.kusports.com/news/2008/no... http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?page=onthetrail&recruitId=52032&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fpage%3donthetrail%26recruitId%3d52032 http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=2724404

Jack Wilson 9 years, 11 months ago

By the way, has anyone ever seen Taylor take off, and burst down the court on a fast break and either actually finish on a contested shot at the hoop, or lob for a slam, or even hit a guy in stride on a 3 on 2?

All I see are short, choppy steps; a guy who couldn't hit Kobe on a lob; and a guy who is too selfish to hit someone on a 3 on 2.

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

"Some Ways You Know Dexter Pittman Has Lost Weight:"

Food shortages in Austin disappear.

Defenders bodying Dexter no longer disappear from view.

The court no longer tips toward Dexter.

Starts shopping at the big and tall store, instead of the exponentially big and tall store.

At the grocery store, butchers stop asking how long Dexter needs to be smoked.

All invitations to Sumo wrestle in Kobe cease.

When he beats his chest to celebrate a dunk, it no longer takes ten seconds for his body to stop shaking.

Sees his feet for the first time since birth.

Loses promised Jenny Craig endorsement gig, while being asked to be Denzel Washington's stunt double.

His rope jumping stops registering on UT seismograph.

Oprah has her agent start asking him for dates.

(Note: all fiction, no malice. Go Dexter. Keep the weight off. You look marvelous. Just don't have too good of a game against KU.)

Jack Wilson 9 years, 11 months ago

Interesting notes (maybe): Here are the other 10 point guards for 2009/2010: 1) Wall - Starter at Kentucky, 2) Gaddy - 6th man at Washington, 3) Bledsoe - Starter at Kentucky, 4) Elijah - nothing, 5) Wayns - 6th man Villanova, 6) Udofia - Starter Ga. Tech, 7) Brown - Did not qualify, NC State, 8) Siva - 8th man, about 11 per, 9) Penn 6th man OSU, 10) Mason-Griffith, Starter at OU, 11) Jones - 6th man at AZ.

drgnslayer: Bingo .. love pushing the ball. The highlight of all highlights was running NC into the ground in 08.

KU 83 Tex 77

David Howell 9 years, 11 months ago

Yes there is a lot of moaning and groaning, but I have to speculate that it's from honest observations of the game.

I gotta believe that most of you are saying that there is no way we go very deep into March madness playing the way we have been. We have been making bad teams look way better then they are. Sure you can say that teams get up for us, but why is it that we can look so bad for mulitple minute stretches with shoddy rebounding and the inability to defend the open 3-point shot ?

Someone has to convince Cole that we don't need him to block every shot. That is whats got him in foul trouble the past two games. We need him for rebounding, scoring, and minutes on the court.

Sherron has to more effectively get his teammates involved. Maybe it's just me, but he seems to be somewhat more selfish with the ball. Too many times he drives in with no real shot or plan, and either attempts a low-percentage shot or makes a poor pass that doesn't seem to be his fault. Sure he makes some great shots and clutch 3-pointers, but when is the last time he has scored as our last option right before half ?

Finally, you all are debating the ability of EJ ?? We can't really know much about him other then what one saw during his high school years or read about him. But what we do know is that there are 5 guards better then him right now in Coaches eyes. And at this point I am not sure that X should be considered one of the 5 guards ! His shooting against Big 12 competition has been atrocious and as you've all noticed in most games he is not in during crunch time of the second half. In my book there is no longer any comparison between him and Wall as to the better player ...............

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

High Elite Major,

Thank you for freeing me from the bonds of ignorance on Russell and Elijah's positions in high school.

This makes Elijah's 30% trey shooting, high TOs/minute, and poor defense against cupcakes even more remarkable. He already knew how to play the PG position and he choked when given a starting assignment at the 2 in place of Tyshawn.

Why?

Was it because Self asked him to play the 2 and Elijah didn't know how to play the 2, or had only played it just a bit in AAU ball?

Did Elijah choke on his starts and generally put up poor numbers in his other minutes, because Self did not play him at the point?

This is very interesting. Carry on.

Was it too confusing for Elijah to play Tyshawn's 2 position in which most of the time he was supposed to be glue, and then for certain stretches he was supposed to take over and run the point while Sherron moved to a wing? Was Elijah not up to playing both point and glue 2, when he had been a PG from the beginning of his playing days, and had only played a little 2 in AAU?

Self gave Elijah oportunities early and they were opportunities picked specially to bring him along, to give him shots of confidence, even at Tyshawn's expense. Elijah had the perfect set-up for early success. Tyshawn was playing lousy and Brady was suspended and C.J. Henry was fighting nagging injuries. Self had a real need for Elijah to perform. Self even gave Elijah two starts.

Elijah choked badly. Why?

Heck, Self even gave Elijah more, albeit lesser opportunities. He did not drop him to DNP instantly. Elijah could not improve his performances or numbers even in mop up appearances. He knew how to play point guard, as your links and research prove. He had even played some 2 in AAU. What was his problem?

Still Elijah choked. Why?

You raise Mario Chalmers as a point of comparison.

When Mario Chalmers came to KU, he was tried at the point. He choked at the point. Self tried him at the 2 and he did well. Self only tried him a few more times at the point and he choked at the point those tries also. Self then moved Mario permanently to the 2. Mario played very well at the 2 from then on and never returned to the point guard full time. He was really a shooting guard all his years at KU. Russell was the only real combo guard, the only guard who played a lot of point and 2 guard during the same games.

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

What is it with Elijah failing to perform at the 2, where Self was asking him to be a combo guard? He was a PG in high school. You show he was a 5 star PG. And he had played some 2, also, in AAU. How could he produce such lousy numbers against such weak competition?

When he was actually given the chance to perform as a 2 against cupcakes he could not perform as well as Mario Chalmers did his first year as a 2 guard?

Maybe Self was asking too much of Elijah. Maybe it was too tough for a high school PG to become a combo guard from the beginning.

And what is a combo guard, really? Its just a guard who plays some point and some shooting guard positions over the course of a single game. Russell Robinson played a lot of combo guard in the 08 championship season. Tyshawn has played a lot of combo guard this season, periodically relieving Sherron of some of the burden of the point, periodically putting Sherron out on a wing, where Sherron can shoot treys a little more, and attack defenses from a little different angle. Russell sometimes used to move to a wing, so that Sherron could come in and play point.

What is Elijah Johnson's problem? Is it really that Self doesn't keep playing him? Or is it that when Self has played him his numbers weren't very good?

Why couldn't he produce the kind of numbers Mario Chalmers did, when Self switched Mario from the point to the 2 guard spot?

Was Mario Chalmers shooting 30% from trey his first season by early February?

If Mario was shooting 30% from trey his first season in early February, did he get to keep playing, because he "looked" better than Elijah? Or is Elijah, shooting 30 percent from trey, not getting continued opps, because he faces stiffer competition than Mario did?

What makes you think Elijah would do better if given more opportunities now?

Why wouldn't he do worse?

Maybe he has kept doing worse in practice?

Is that possible, maybe even probable?

This is all very interesting to me. Do continue with how you know Self has erred in stopping playing Elijah in this run to a championship.

GreyHawker 9 years, 11 months ago

HighEliteMajor 1- JayBreath 0......interesting duel........

melrank 9 years, 11 months ago

HEM - Had to take the wife to dinner and was too tired to catch up last night. So, here's my reply:

I can find multiple faults in Tyshawn's game. Heck, just about everyone in Jayhawk Nation has ridden the kid about something. But, my answer isn't based on Ty's faults. It's based on the simple fact that Coach Self doesn't see enough in EJ's game right now to even let the guy play minor minutes. If Coach doesn't like his game better than Tyshawn's right now, why would I?

You can project how good EJ will be, could be, and might be all you want based on some youtube videos, but, at this point, none of that means crap because he's not good enough to play right now and Tyshawn is. You can debate this if you want, but I'll take Coach's opinion on this one.

So, to answer your question, let's take it a step further. Next year, Tyshawn will be a Junior with 2 years of starting experience. He will have played and starred on the international stage. He will have played in several NCAA tournament games. He will have endured the grind of two straight conference championship seansons. He will have mentored behind one of the greatest point guards in Jayhawk history. He will have gotten rid of his Facebook page and become buds with the football team :).

EJ will have 2 career starts and about 20 minutes of conference experience, but lots of athleticism and potential.

Based on what I see today, I don't think this is a tough decision.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 11 months ago

Jaybate: I believe you have missed the point. The point is to give EJ a fair look in real games situations, and see what you've got. It's not a guarantee of success. It's a fair look. Again, I think you attempt to create your own reality. EJ did not choke on his early opportunities. He's a freshman. You can say he choked, but he really didn't. That's just a created piece of info by you to support your position, as opposed to facts. If he was so horrible in practice for so many weeks, why would Self jump out and start him? Couldn't have been that bad in practice, or Reed would have started.

Then, when EJ starts vs. Radford, he gets 15 minutes, 11 points, 2 of 2 from 3 range, 0 turnovers. This is the best evidence of what he would do as a starter, or at least an indication. He starts again vs. LaSalle, only gets 9 minutes, 1 point, no turnovers. It was obvious Self just used him to try to spark Taylor. But when you look at samples, the best samples to look at are the starts, not the mop up minutes when you sit on the bench all game. I agree, of course in advance, that these stats are definitive. Just a look.

But here again, your premise and facts are incorrect. Here's a link for you to use below. Pretty handy site. You can enter the stat you want, and it will track it during the season.

You ask if Mario was shooting 30% from trey his freshman season, in February. Actually, yes he was .. and worse. It clearly shows that on February 4, 2006, during Mario's freshman season, his 3 pt field goal percentage was 27%. That's right, 27%. He ended around 37%. And the only real stat you point out on EJ as being deficient is he 3 point FG % at 30% (even when a lot is mop up). He's only shot 13 threes. Get him into the flow of a game, and you might see improvement. Let him get some time under fire, and he might improve by the end of the season like Mario did.

You are right, though, Mario didn't have TT as a sophomore ahead of him, or Reed as a junior. He did have Hawkins ahead of him. Sometimes it is the situation you have. But like Hawkins and Mario, I think Self should have given EJ the time to develop in December/January and quite possibly he would have a Mario like player by March.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 11 months ago

Again, too long-winded (cont):

Further, on one hand, you will say that his stats don't matter because they are not against good opponents, or during quality minutes; then you wish to use the same stats to prove something. I posted previously where as of January 12, per minute, EJ compared favorably to TT .. that's when I got the "they weren't during real game situation stuff."

Finally, I have never said anything is "for sure." All I have ever said is giving the kid a fair test run is in the best interests of our long term success, and we risk are a couple losses. That's the risk. I'm willing to to have taken it. I have no idea if he would flame out. Self obviously views TT, and did in December, as the better gamble this year. We don't know if EJ would have been a better gamble. But we do know that, it appears, the TT gamble was a mistake.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/kansas/mario-chalmers?per_game=1&tslug=kansas&tempo_neutral=1&game_type=1&totals=1&pslug=mario-chalmers&chart1=threefg_dist_pct&chart2=threefg_made&chart3=threefg_attempted

Jack Wilson 9 years, 11 months ago

Melrank: By your logic, then, you'd take Tyshawn over Selby for the next two years, or even over Wall (taking Wall as he entered as a freshman, not now with the experience). You have evidence of TT's ceiling. You have no evidence of EJs. Or Selby. But you'd ride with TT.

melrank 9 years, 11 months ago

Absolutely false conclusion. That's your logic, not mine. You asked about TT over EJ, not someone who isn't currently on the team.

What I know is that EJ is on the team NOW and has had a chance and isn't beating out TT. I use this fact as the basis for my opinion.

But, for whatever it's worth, I would generally subscribe to the "bird in the hand" is better than the "two in the bush" theory.

I can't help but wonder whether EJ could perform and grow if he got more time, but do you think Coach is sabotaging the season because TT has some pictures of him or something? C'mon, EJ doesn't give us the best chance to win at this time and Self is playing the guys who he believes will deliver a NC. He'll worry about next year on April 6th.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 11 months ago

Take a good look at Nick's photo above...either Marcus is truly about 6'-6" if Withey is a true seven footer, or if the opposite is true for Marcus at 6'-8" or so, Jeff may be approaching 7'-2" or more....unless Withey has the tallest hairdoo in Division One!!!

Jack Wilson 9 years, 11 months ago

melrank: I agree, it was my conclusion, not yours. You said, in pointing out what you had to go off of on EJ vs. TT, the following "EJ will have 2 career starts and about 20 minutes of conference experience, but lots of athleticism and potential." You pointed out TTs info, and chose TT saying "one in the hand, two in the bush" as the logic. I made the comparison to the others as I saw them in the same position as EJ, informationally. One in the hand, two in the bush.

That being said, you do make two very good points. First, that EJ doesn't give us the best chance to win now (you're probably right there; probably some high side, but some really stupid freshman lowside); and second, that Self isn't playing TT over EJ for anything but merit. I agree. He sees TT as better than EJ now.

But I think drgnslayr has hit the nail on the head, that melds both positions on this. The difference this year vs. our 08 team that ran up and down the court is that we have a true 5 man with great skills. This is the offensive team Self has decided upon. We go through the post with Cole. And with that, perhaps I have had an epiphany .. didn't really think of it that way.

Could it be that Self's offensive approach for this season, with the more half-court style drgnslayr has described, just isn't EJ's game (nor TTs)? And he sees in practice that EJ can't adapt to it (the "a bit too out of control" thing). And this is why we see Reed over EJ. And this is why TT is really struggling. It may simply have nothing to do with talent, or anything we see objectively, but style ... and the style for this season. Perhaps next year, if we don't play with a true 5 as the focus, TT and EJ might flourish. And that may be why EJ is cool with everything.

I will say .. I think that provides the best explanation; it makes sense, and it is consistent with basically what both sides of this debate have said. thanks drgnslayr.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 11 months ago

Ah, for the days of the alley-oops, the fast breaks, the finishing at the rim .... this is a different team.

melrank 9 years, 11 months ago

Dragon does bring up some interesting points. I wonder, though, if we are trying to compare the wrong players. Could it be in Self's perfect world, he would like Sherron to be Mario and TT be RussRob?

Sherron could easily be Mario, but TT isn't RussRob and I think this is where everything goes to hell in a handbasket.

melrank 9 years, 11 months ago

Reflecting a little on comparing the two teams (08 and today). I'm getting older and the memory isn't so good any more, but I don't remember the 2008 team really running much more than we do today.

Now, they did get a lot of steals leading to many fast break opportunties - way more than what we get today - but as far as rebounding the ball and getting out in transition and running the other teams out of the gym, I can't remember that as well. It seems like Coach was always complaining that we didn't feed the ball inside enough to intitiate the offense (sounds familiar).

Other than steals, did we run that much more back in 2008?

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

HEM,

Your right, I still don't get what you are talking about.

EJ got his look.

Everything broke his way.

EJ had a good coming out.

Brady suspended. CJ hurt. Tyshawn slumping. Allowed him lots of looks and created a need for him.

EJ got lots of minutes.

Ej got two starts.

Self was stroking him.

He layed eggs against cupcakes.

No coach keeps playing players that lay eggs against cupcakes.

Sorry, I was waaaay wrong about the positions RR and EJ played in college.

But you are still not making any sense at all here.

Even last year, when we were thin, laying eggs against cupcakes made guys disappear.

Its just a fact of life.

NBA GM's may draft on potential.

D1 coaches may recruit on potential.

But D1 coaches allocate PT based on what have you done for me lately and can anyone do better at giving me what I am asking for from you?

Why?

Because D1 coaches have to win now, not next year, or the following year.

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

I think Greyhawk made a good point. In this era, and especially with the guys Self can drag in every year, no one is safe and no one gets to lay eggs against cupcakes, or take a lot of games to play themselves into minimum proficiency, unless there just is no one behind him that particular year.

Brady and Ty started and played most of the games until the stretch last year, when Ty's low TOs and treys got him 20 minutes of Ty's time. Now they're all three splitting time. The great U19 international star, TT, is now a glue man and lucky to be getting 20-25 minutes. Even TT, who is considered a weak trey shooter, shoots 36% now, as opposed to 30% for EJ.

Xavier? He's Mr. OAD. When he can shoot 45-50% from trey, which Self wants, he plays 30 minutes a game. When he shoots 25-30% he quickly tapers to 15 mpg.

No one is exempt from what have you done for me lately at this level.

Everyone gets their chances and has to produce. It is the cold cruel world.

Each season is really two seasons. The practice season of first semester, when coaches actually give new guys, and old bench sitters, chances to do something against cupcakes and earn some more chances.

Then there is the second season. Produce or lose time. Keep not producing and disappear.

If EJ needs to play 35 minutes a game over 21 games stinking up the floor with 30% trey shooting, high TOs/minute, and defensive frequent lapses, even to reach minimum proficiency, he's going to have to go to a bottom wrung school like Nebraska, or to a mid major to get that luxury. It doesn't happen at KU. I don't recall it ever happening under Self, unless Self just had absolutely no one else on the bench at that position.

Why should Self invest a bunch in a guy this year, for next year, if he has better guys this year, and the likelihood of dragging in a guy better than this guy who is struggling this year.

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

New blood. Fresh meat. Coaches know they can only do so much. They know guys can only improve so much. Quintrel would be far better this year than Thomas Robinson has been this year, had Quintrel stayed. But Self knew Quintrel's ceiling was less than TRobs. So QT goes to Vegas and Unibrow. And TRob gets a shot. But TRob has struggled. If there were a big out there with as high, or higher of a ceiling than TRob. TRob would be off to Vegas after this season also. Self always thinks next. The only guys really worth investing in are those that can already give you the minimum of what you need. Don't invest much in guys who get a shot and lay an egg, unless you've got no alternative. If Self finds a recruit with more ceiling than EJ, a guy who might be able to give him the minimum of what he needs out of the blocks, then Self's going to take him and encourage EJ towards greener pastures. IMHO, it is a crappy way to run college basketball, but that is what the pressure to win now put on coaches has triggered in coaches' decision trees.

I believe you are talking about how you wish things were, instead of how things are. Fine, I admire a good metaphysical discussion as much as the next board rat, but you are presenting your wishes as if they were irrefutable logics grounded in reality. Outside the realm of basketball metaphysics, they are not persuasive.

But if you persist, I will keep trying to understand your argument.

You had the facts right on RR and EJ.

That wins some cred with me.

And it cost nothing for me to keep an open mind.

Carry on.

melrank 9 years, 11 months ago

Seriously, you want me to be EJ's keeper after that?

melrank 9 years, 11 months ago

BTW, if you're not watching the NC/Maryland game - or if you are - North Carolina has to be the most underachieving defensive team in the history of the NCAA.

I know it's a stretch for us to beat them to 2000, but this terrible defensive display gives me a flicker of hope.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 11 months ago

Jaybate: I will say, fixating on the 30% 3 point percentage, really, is irrelevant. Let's say EJ gets mop up time and goes 4 of 4 in a couple of games. That's 8 of 17. But if I then argued he was nearly a 50% 3 guy, and he should play on that account, that argument would be just as flawed.

I think the Mario comparison you forced me to come up with is maybe the best example of that. Mario is 27% on Feb. 4, 2006, then finishes at 37.5% for the year, then ... well .. the rest is history. And I don't think it would take EJ 20 games at 35 minutes of stinking it up to get it, as you suggest. Remember, he is a 5 star guy; not a guarantee, but at least worthy of the benefit of the doubt that he might get it in a reasonable time frame. But obviously, as has been pointed out, Self doesn't see it that way and that is the only opinion that counts.

Anyway, I do agree .. if a better player comes along, the reality is certain guys move to other programs. That's the luxury of being KU. And that's what we want.

Thanks for the debate all who participated. Let's hope we grab a national title and we see EJ jumping around on the bench like Reed was in 08.

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

HEM,

Mario is a great example. Glad you raised it. He was not surrounded by Brady and Tyrel shooting 40%, or a starting PG shooting 40%, or a freshman 3 shooting 40%.

And so Mario got to keep playing and keep shooting and wound up at a not very good 37.5%. But he was the best we had for a perimeter shooter at the 2 and he was a great natural defender and stripper. Mario could make up for some of his modest shooting with great defense and stripping out of the box.

Self obviously hoped, maybe even expected, The Prophet would play great defense out of the box and get strips and shoot very well. But when his defense was sub par and his shooting was sub par, and was not a quick study at playing glue at the 2, Self stopped the experiment of converting EJ to a 2.

Likely as not, Self has figured that if he were to let The Prophet play this season, EJ would wind up at just about 36%, as Mario did, when he let Mario play while he learned to shoot in D1. But remember, Mario did not become the 40% trey shooter of his last season until finally he got his butt cut from an international try-out for inadequate trey shooting; that was what finally made him put in the time to learn to shoot treys in D1 at 40%.

This is where The Prophet almost certainly is right now. He's going to have to put in an off season learning to shoot, maybe two.

And he can't defend very well out of the blocks.

And Tyshawn can already do everything EJ will be able to do by the end of the season including shoot 36%, which EJ might or might not reach by season's end.

And Brady and Tyrel already shoot 40% from trey, and Brady defends great, Ty is now pretty reliable on defense, and neither make many mistakes at all...already.

My guess is that Self made a rational choice about EJ. My guess is that there was no net benefit to converting EJ to a 2 for this year, when what an offense with Cole, Marcus and Sherron really needed was good defense, few mistakes, and 40% trey shooting.

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

I also suspect, but have no facts to back me up, that when Self decided he wasn't going to get Brandon Knight, or Selby, or any other 5 star point guard to come in next season, Self decided his current 5-star PG, EJ, was best left a point guard and allowed to work on being a point guard in practice all season without any game pressure. Just as Cole got great experience his freshman season having to play Shady, Kaun and Darnell, Self decided EJ could get all the experience he needed playing Sherron Collins, a tremendous PG, in practice every day.

So, people say, wasn't it a waste not to red-shirt EJ?

Not at all.

Self had to decide how to insure the perimeter against injury.

Sherron has a history of injury. Tyshawn is a fragile physical specimen.

If either went down, Self could use EJ at the 1 or 2.

But Self had CJ.

Um, at the time the red shirts had to be thrown, CJ was injured and his recovery rate and post injury status was an uncertainty.

Releford and Little could not fill at both the 1 and 2, if CJ came up lame and either Sherron, or Tyshawn, went down.

CJ got the call and Self tried to get him a lot of work early, even though Self knew that without injuries, Self would always want to play Tyshawn as back up to Sherron at the point, and Brady and Tyrel as backups to Tyshawn at the 2 and to X at the 3.

When EJ proved rather TO prone, and a streak shooter capable of sinking to 30% after much of the first semester, he sealed his fate as a DNP unless season ending injury hits Sherron, or Tyshawn.

So: it makes sense to me that Self is not playing EJ as a 2.

And it makes sense to me that Self did not red shirt EJ, because he offers insurance at the 1 and 2 that others could not provide.

David Howell 9 years, 11 months ago

Jaybate,

You say Xavier is all but OAD ........... Is that because you believe he is READY for the NBA -or- because it would be better for the Jayhawks if he left since it would free up a scholarship ??

I have to believe most of the Jayhawk Nation believes more in the second option. As I've repeatedly pointed out, X doesn't stand out against hardly any of the Big 12 competition. It is getting fairly easy in Big 12 games to know when X is going to get yanked by Self.

I want to buy into the freshman stud hype of X, but other then occasional 3 point shooting and some steals, I haven't seen much improvement out of X from day one. I want to and hope it happens, but if he is OAD then that is all the better for Mr. Releford come next year.

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