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Originally published January 26, 2010 at 12:00a.m., updated January 26, 2010 at 11:22a.m.

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Sharp-shooting Reed knows all about rivalry

The Fieldhouse crowd rises to its feet as Kansas guard Tyrel Reed hits a three pointer over Missouri forward Keith Ramsey during the second half, Monday, Jan. 25, 2010 at Allen Fieldhouse.

The Fieldhouse crowd rises to its feet as Kansas guard Tyrel Reed hits a three pointer over Missouri forward Keith Ramsey during the second half, Monday, Jan. 25, 2010 at Allen Fieldhouse.

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Jayhawks maul Tigers in showdown

Kansas dismantled Missouri in 2010's first installment of the Border War on Monday, Jan. 25 at Allen Fieldhouse.

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Kansas and Missouri battle in 2010's first installment of the Border Showdown Monday, Jan. 25, 2010 at Allen Fieldhouse.

It’s not uncommon for Kansas University basketball players, recruited from all over the nation, to say they arrive at school treating Missouri as if it’s any other school and then they learn to hate the Tigers. The way some say it, it seems as if what they learn is to say they hate Missouri in order to placate the fan base that worships their every dribble.

Steadily improving Kansas junior guard Tyrel Reed, who is to his team what John Paxson and Steve Kerr were to Michael Jordan’s Chicago Bulls, didn’t have to learn to hate the school from the neighboring state. He can’t remember ever feeling any other way about Don Fambrough’s least favorite institution of higher learning.

“Growing up in Kansas, since I was a little kid, I’ve known about the Kansas-Missouri rivalry,” said Reed, a native of Burlington. “Being in grade school and not liking the kid next to you because he’s a Missouri fan. It’s just that big a deal to people around here.”

Just as he did a year ago in Allen Fieldhouse, Reed took his hatred out on the Tigers by playing a gem against them. He made all four of his three-point attempts Monday night and matched a career-high with 14 points in 19 minutes of KU’s 84-65 victory.

In the past two games against Mizzou, Reed has made seven of eight three-pointers. In 61 career minutes against the school that had him in for an official visit and recruited him hard, Reed has just one turnover. It came in his 60th minute, when he drove into the lane and threw a pass to the wing that was intercepted.

Reed’s faster than he is quick, but he’s gotten quicker. Once a defensive liability, he’s come a long way in that area.

“Tyrel’s gotten a lot better,” Kansas coach Bill Self said. “He’s handled (defensive) pressure a lot better this year and matured. ... Tyrel has become more of a complete player.”

Still, the thing he brings to the team better than anyone is the ability to drain three-pointers. He has made 44 percent this season, 41 percent for his career.

As is the case with classmate Brady Morningstar, Reed keeps the ball moving and seldom spills it. Reed has more steals (16) than turnovers (10) and has 26 assists.

His big night came in handy, given a rare off night from Sherron Collins. Collins makes two of 11 field goals, and KU turned it over 23 times and still won by 19 points. What does that say about the nation’s No. 2-ranked team?

“It says we’re deep,” Reed said. “Not everyone’s going to have a great game every night. Sherron, Cole (Aldrich, 12 points, 16 rebounds, seven blocked shots), not any one of us is going to have a great game every night. Somebody’s going to be off, so we’ve just got to have someone else pick him up and play well.”

Said Self: “Nobody stepped up any bigger than Tyrel. I thought Tyrel was really great for us tonight.”

A most hostile environment awaits Kansas. Kansas State’s student section will use clever imaginations to craft nasty signs and will send cutting verbal missiles for Saturday’s 6 p.m. tipoff in Bramlage Coliseum.

“I love playing against Missouri, Kansas State,” Reed said. “You know, rivals. Being a Kansas kid, it’s a big deal.”

It shows.

• A previous version of this story contained an error.

Comments

NebraskaJayhawk 4 years, 8 months ago

I don't think a lot of people that did not grow up in Kansas/Missouri truly understand this rivalry. There are some great rivalries in college sports, but I'm not sure there is any quite like this one. Though I will say that Kansas/Kansas State is a close second. Maybe I'm biased being from the state of Kansas, I don't know.

Isn't it funny how this team is stacked with McAll-Americans, but two of the guys that are stepping up are Kansas boys this year? I think it's great to see hometown boy Morningstar and Burlington native Reed having such great seasons. It's great to bring in the best talent from all over the country to play at the greatest basketball venue in all of college sports, but I'm not sure there anything sweeter than to see home-grown athletes performing in-state on a high level. Congrats guys, keep it up!

Dyrk Dugan 4 years, 8 months ago

you could sense it last night....just the way his shots were going clean into the net...that every time Tyrel took a shot, it was going in.

the young man can get hot.....white hot...and it's like slicing butter. it's almost automatic.

Great job by Tyrel and his improvement this year....his minutes are becoming invaluable.

Benjamin Jones 4 years, 8 months ago

"Missles"? Does anyone at the J-W know how to spell?

Waylon Cook 4 years, 8 months ago

Watch what he does to KSU Saturday. Kid is dirty when need be and just a kickass kid!

jaybate 4 years, 8 months ago

"A most hostile environment awaits Kansas. Kansas State’s student section will use clever imaginations to craft nasty signs and will send cutting verbal missles for Saturday’s 6 p.m. tipoff in Bramlage Coliseum."--Keegs

Nothing betrays an immigrant quite like mis-characterizing a rival.

KSU fans lack clever imaginations; that's why they are at KSU.

Nasty signs? No, that's beyond them. They will be vulgar, but not crafty.

Cutting verbal missiles?

They might hurl cow pies from experimental barns, but never cutting, verbal missiles.

Some one invite the Keegs to the Wheel, then drive him over to Aggieville. He will get it instantly.

jaybate 4 years, 8 months ago

Monday Contemplating Athleticism, Tyrel, Brady and Tyshawn:

The Nick Krug picture at the top of this story makes clear what Tyrel gives up in "athleticism." The MU player guarding Tyrel jumps nearly twice as high.

But this picture also makes clear why "athleticism" is not always the decisive factor.

All Tyrel has to do is add a foot or two to his shooting range to his trinity, which he has done here, and use his quickness of release, and the extra athleticism means nothing.

Of course, the MU defender could always stay with Tyrel and Tyrel would never get a shot off. But then Tyrel would just dribble, thereby keeping the MU player on the floor (thus denying him his jumping advantage), feed the post, who would be working one on one, and get a high percentage shot one on one.

This is the beauty of basketball. There are so many ways to skin a cat.

The problem, of course, comes, when the opponent has a post man that can defend Cole, or Marcus, mano a mano and does not need Tyrel's man to sag off; then the great leaping MU defender guarding Tyrel does not have to sag so much; then Tyrel can neither get the shot off, nor feed the post to big advantage.

Enter Brady and Tyshawn, who are both better jumpers than Tyrel.

Brady is doing what he does very well right now.

But we need Tyshawn to play to his abilities. No, he's not much of a trey shooter, especially with his bum elbow, but he can get the shots off, when the opponents have a leaper on the perimeter and a big that can play Cole straight up. Tyshawn has the quickness and speed to go to the rim, if he were ever to get over his timidness.

Tyshawn allows us to match-up with athleticism on the perimeter, when our bigs do not hold huge advantage in the paint.

Tyshawn appears in a psychological funk right now. It increasingly appears to have originated with his elbow injury early. Because Brady was out, he had to play through it. But Tyshawn has not been able to play through his injury as effectively, as someone like Sherron. In turn, Brady's return has lead to a sharp decline in his minutes, which may help him heal physically, but it has lead to reduced mental alertness.

I used to think the season hung on the Twins getting it together, but now they have, at least much of the time.

IMHO, the season now hangs on Tyshawn.

KU has the puzzle parts to get a ring, if Tyshawn can turn it around.

There will be opponents where Brady will be the best match-up.

There will be opponents where Tyshawn will be the best match-up.

But Tyshawn has to get his head screwed on very soon.

jaybate 4 years, 8 months ago

Self is handling Tyshawn very gingerly right now, apparently feeling that he overestimated early on how much toughening Tyshawn's confidence could stand.

Self is taking Tyshawn out of the limelight and commenting positively, or not at all about Tyshawn.

But playing time does not lie.

Tyshawn is down to 13-15 minutes against conference opponents with "athleticism" on the perimeter, where Tyshawn would be very useful.

The question is: is Self crafting Tyshawn's minutes down, because of injury, or because of Tyshawn's unwillingness to play the 2 the way Self wants it played this season?

Self has basically turned the 2 into a glue spot equivalent to Brady's 3 spot last season. And Brady is flourishing in the new 2 role, whereas, Tyshawn is not.

And Self did make terse reference after the MU game that some guys were taking shots on the perimeter, when they should have been passing it into the post men.

Right now, the big difference between Brady and Tyshawn is Tyshawn's lousy trey shooting and Tyshawn's struggle to adapt to a glue role.

Coach Self will stay with a player for a very long time, if that player is giving it is his all to give Coach Self the puzzle part that he wants from that player.

Increasingly, it appears that Coach Self may no longer think Tyshawn is trying his best to give Self that puzzle part.

The game against KSU could be a decisive game in Tyshawn's KU career.

For all of Tyshawn's problems, he has often come through in big games, when Self's game plan needed him to do so.

By most accounts, KSU has bigs that can defend KU's bigs nearly head up. KSU also has size, strength, quickness and hops on the perimeter. And KSU is a decent, but not great, trey shooting team.

Therefore, KSU is exactly the kind of opponent that Self needs Tyshawn Taylor for.

Self and KU need Tyshawn to show up with his A-game.

If he does, then Tyshawn will remain Self's preferred 2, no matter how well Brady plays, because down the road, in the Madness, KU will confront several teams that can defend KU's bigs head up.

But if Tyshawn is too timid, or if he is not willing to provide Self the kind of glue he wants out of the 2 spot, if Tyshawn lays another egg against a rival, as he did against MU, then Self is going to lose a lot of confidence in Tyshawn.

Impacts in big games is the ultimate currency in the Self Basketball Economy.

Xavier is almost certain to be in over his head offensively against KSU.

Thus, the 2 position is going to be asked to produce 10-15 points to take up some slack.

Against the KSU perimeter, Tyshawn seems the logical guy to assign that chore.

If Tyshawn can produce, he buys himself some more time to work his way out of his funk.

But if Tyshawn lays another egg, and Brady finds a way to get 10, Tyshawn is probably a back-up for the rest of the season.

dukehester 4 years, 8 months ago

Jaybate - great post info. Thanks. can't disagree with any of it. Tyshawn and X are the two biggest frustrations for me just now. both clearly have the talent and athleticism but seem to not be able to appreciate the game enough to know when to do what. 2 charges by Ty last night were poor decisions.....3 asst with 4 TOs just won't cut it. and of course X continues to have spotty defense...good when he chooses to play D....but takes too many plays off.....and of course his lack of point production is absurd. Seems to me that both guys are just not willing/wanting/dedicated enough to make the sacrifices necessary for the TEAM!! we'll all see!!

KGphoto 4 years, 8 months ago

Actally I think a K-State victory still lies in the lane. Morris is going to get some double teams and if he can dish out of it like he has recently shown he can, it will greatly improve our chances. We won't be shooting hot in Manhattan. X needs to drive more. Sherron will take it strong more often. Reed, Mornin', and Tyshawn mainly need to limit turnovers. Especially in transition, and those stupid lazy passes we've been seeing lately.

Mike Kendall 4 years, 8 months ago

It is nice to see Tyrel getting some nice recognition finally. He was my MVP from last night's game. It shows we have a deep bench and that some players can step up and have a good game when others are not, ie--Sherron Collins. Nice going, Tyrel!

jaybate 4 years, 8 months ago

drgnslayr,

From the first minute I saw Tyshawn play last year, I have believed he had all the raw materials but one to be great player. He lacked the fearless ferocity great competitors possess. It showed when he drove to the basket and faded away. It showed when he did not like to get physical on defense, even though he was a great defender.

Alright. I accept your challenge: I will be on Tyshawn's virtual tail breaking down his game and exhorting him to do better.

I will watch him closely against KSU and try to break down what is holding him back.

Ralster doubts my guess that Tyshawn is injured, but I just don't see any other explanation for his horrible early season trifectation and failure to challenge around the rim.

But guys like you and Ralster are enough younger than me that you are more in touch with whether players would wear an arm brace today for looks. I sure wouldn't. Especially if my trey shooting dropped ten percentage points from last season. But who knows?

I do believe Self has taken it upon himself to toughen Tyshawn up mentally this season--to try to push him toward the level of fearless ferocity required to play the game at this level.

Self has always loved Tyshawn's game.

Quantum T has speed that cannot be coached--speed that is a match-up advantage almost every game.

Quantum T has airborne grace.

Quantum T defended well enough to start as a freshman--this takes exceptional talent and skill.

Self is not often wrong about who can play.

Self already let Quantum T play a season for him.

I cannot believe Self is going to let Quantum T play 15 minutes a game for the rest of the season.

The way this is supposed to work is Brady gets 25 minutes a game filling 10 for X and 15 for Quantum T.

But during the toughening of Quantum T, Brady is sometimes going to get 30 a game again, while Quantum T passes through the blast furnace Coach Self has contrived to temper his metal to steel.

If I were Quantum T right now, I would dial up Mario Chalmers and ask him how he made it through a similar furnace Self built around Mario. Quantum T has to understand that surviving that furnace has been the difference between Mario Chalmers playing in the NBA and Mario Chalmers playing in Europe.

Which'll it be, Quantum T? The NBA, or Europe? Your destiny is being forged right now. Nothing is written. You write it.

jaybate 4 years, 8 months ago

I think we know a lot more about Quantum T than we realize, right now.

He is a gifted player that was never asked to carry the load in high school.

He is a gifted player that was never asked to carry the load in college.

Coaches have wanted to free ride on his gifts, but have found something lacking in his competitiveness to want to make him a go-to guy.

I think Bill Self decided to try to put Quantum T through the blast furnace this season to see if he could get Quantum T toughened up to carry the team next season.

Self has never turned a team over to anyone but a warrior.

Self has to be thinking about next year, about Sherron being gone at last, about the possibility that he's not going to land a great point guard, that Quantum T could be the man, if only he could be tougher.

As Coach Wooden used to say, he would much rather coach a player that required reigning in than a player he had to light a fire under.

At the championship level, all challengers have talent.

It is competitive greatness and being at your best when you need your best that determines who prevails.

Self has to take a gifted, but sensitive, Quantum T, a fellow who sucker punches in brawls and posts about it, and he has to transform him into a player willing to take a punch, even a beating, while he cuts the heart out of an opponent and eats it if necessary.

Great players have this quality. Lessers do not.

Self is breaking and remaking Tyshawn Taylor, because he believes Tyshawn has what it takes buried deep within him and because Self desperately needs a player for this March, and especially for next year, who can take over the team, when Sherron moves on.

Once again, Self is trying to transform a boy into a man before our very eyes. It isn't pretty. And it doesn't always work.

But I believe in Tyshawn.

A man will emerge before March.

But he is going to confront fears the next few weeks that he never realized existed.

And there is nothing anyone can do for him but cheer.

Its up to him.

That is what manhood is all about.

Ask Mario Chalmers and Sherron Collins.

AsadZ 4 years, 8 months ago

Jaybate, Welcome back. Great post on Tyshawn. I fully agree with your analysis.

jaybate 4 years, 8 months ago

AsadZ,

Thanks. It is good to be back and I look forward as aways to reading your posts, too.

PLKaws23 4 years, 8 months ago

Jaybate, Ralster.... I dont recall Tyshawn injuring his elbow this year, and yes the shooters sleeve, or compression sleve, is getting to be quite popular with these young athletes. However, I do believe Coach Self has a very strict policy on accessories such as a shooters sleeve, headbands, ect..... If I recall correctly, Self will only let players wear these accessories if they wore them in high school. I may be wrong, but this makes me believe that Tyshawn has indeed injured his elbow to some extent this year. Maybe as little as banging it in practice. One of them sleeves will give a false sence of security to someone with a numb, tender elbow. Thats just my guess.

AsadZ 4 years, 8 months ago

During the Iowa state game, ESPN analyst Frank Fraschilla said that after the olympics people started talking NBA to Taylor and that all NBA stuff has gotten into his ear. He also said that at this time Taylor is a solid college basketball player, nothing more.

I am a fan of Taylor and I still have faith in him. Hope that he can turn this around, have a great college career at KU and become a solid NBA player

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