Sunday, December 4, 2011


KU hoops team can’t pass, either

Kansas guard Travis Releford disputes a call with an official during the second half on Saturday, Dec. 3, 2011 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas guard Travis Releford disputes a call with an official during the second half on Saturday, Dec. 3, 2011 at Allen Fieldhouse.


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KU coach Bill Self

Kansas coach Bill Self talks to reporters following his team's 70-42 victory over South Florida on Dec. 3, 2011.

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Kansas defeated South Florida, 70-42 on Saturday, Dec. 3, 2011 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Nationally ranked, playing in front of a sellout crowd every game and for a coach with total job security, the Kansas University basketball team doesn’t have much in common with the school’s football team. That’s a good thing.

But there is one similarity, and it’s a bad thing. Like the football team, the basketball team doesn’t pass the ball very skillfully.

The focus on the lack of backcourt depth, frontcourt depth and killer outside shooting detracts from another weakness. No player in KU’s starting lineup can boast passing as his greatest skill, or even his second-best talent.

Three of the four starters gone from last season — Marcus and Markieff Morris, Brady Morningstar and Tyrel Reed — all had exceptional passing skills. Plus, they played together longer.

For years, Kansas has been at its best when it moves the ball too rapidly for the shifting defense to keep up, resulting in open three-pointers and wide-open slams, two of the biggest crowd-jacking plays in the game. This team hasn’t shown that ability yet, so it’s going to have to win games by grinding it out with nasty defense.

“When you lose Brady and Tyrel and Markieff, you lost the three best passers on our team last year, and we’re replacing them with guys who don’t pass the ball well naturally, so I don’t think this will ever be a great passing team,” Kansas coach Bill Self said. “We ran a little play today where we had two wide-open lob dunks. Two! And our big guy under-throws it and we come away with nothing. Last year, that would have been two game-changing plays.”

And those weren’t the only buzz-killing passes in KU’s 70-42 rout of South Florida on a day Kansas had 17 assists and 14 turnovers.

“Tyshawn (Taylor) had two guys wide-open for lobs early, and he under-threw both of them, and they intercepted them,” Self said. “Those are plays in the past, those would be game-changing plays. It’s not like we can’t get the ball in a position where we can make a play. We’re just not finishing those plays, but I don’t know if we’ll ever become a great passing team. We can become a good passing team. To me, the last couple of years we’ve been pretty spoiled. And even in (2005-2006, 2006-2007), when your four man is Julian (Wright), that’s a pretty special deal, when your four man can be your best passer on the team. Kind of like Marcus and Markieff last year.”

Unlike the KU football team, the basketball team does bring the heat defensively.

“Yeah, but I still think we can do a little better,” junior power forward Thomas Robinson said.

South Florida, which shot .326 overall and .235 from behind the three-point semicircle, doesn’t need to play Kansas when it’s playing better defense.

On the topic of passing and defense, Larry Fedora’s Southern Miss football team put on quite a show in both areas Saturday in defeating Houston in the Conference USA title game, 49-28. Is that good news for Kansas, which would do well to land Fedora, or does that mean Fedora just played his way to a more prestigious job?

Like nearly all questions in a college football landscape that has so many open jobs, that’s an extremely difficult one to answer.


kusportsdotcom 10 years, 6 months ago

Someone please tell me how the last two paragraphs fit into this story...

Matt Bowers 10 years, 6 months ago

Passing. Fedora might pass on KU now.

Rock Chalk

XEPCT 10 years, 6 months ago

he kinda tied the second to last paragraph to the story, but it's a stretch. The last one makes no sense in the context. But really, it's just Keegan being Keegan. His job is to write articles, so he wrote one, it's about passing basketballs, don't let the last two paragraphs fool you. It's a long season, passing will get better. We distribute the ball better than Kentucky, and they are pretty clearly the best team in the country ... right now.

ebizzle 10 years, 6 months ago

I'm just guessing here but maybe because it's the biggest story in KU sports right now??

hawk316 10 years, 6 months ago

If you will take another look, you will notice that Keegan began the article comparing certain characteristics of the football and basketball teams. He closed the article with another football reference that tied into a big current interest story.

I believe there often exists on this site those who are overly quick to criticize even minor errors (not to say that Keegan made an error in the above article). We all need to extend more grace to others in this world. Personally, I'd love to see more of it on this site.

Lance Hobson 10 years, 6 months ago

"On the subject of passing and defense..." He's talking about KU being horrible at passing like the football team, and the coach we're after just put on an awesome passing show against a very good Houston team. It's not rocket surgery.

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 6 months ago

How about ancillary or supplementary information? Although I like kustrong's answer better.

hdotk 10 years, 6 months ago

It doesn't don't know what Keegan was doing there.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

Something interesting emerges about this team.

It does no single thing as well as other KU teams, except for one thing: it wins.

Self has created a team that is not very good at anything but winning.

It is like this team is so average at everything that it can always find some small cluster of average things it can do better that are another teams weaknesses.

It is like watching Hoosiers in D1.

Something good is happening here inspire of all the bad.

I am very excited for this team.

AsadZ 10 years, 6 months ago

Bate, I like your positive outlook.

Lance Hobson 10 years, 6 months ago

So we're basically the Tebow of college hoops. Hope it holds up in March, just as the Broncos hope theirs holds up in January.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

Turner Gill is proof that no contract can save a coach from administrators and media united against him.

Self is only two losing seasons from getting run.

His only job security is winning.

hawksince51 10 years, 6 months ago

As it should be for the big bucks he is paid. In fact, it is unfortunate that college coach contracts don't have performance clauses in them. These guaranteed contracts are making for a lot of rich former coaches but have done nothing to enhance the performance of their teams.

VaJay 10 years, 6 months ago

There was no requirement for KU to create the six year guaranteed contract that Gill got. Lew did that to make a statement about hiring a "big time" coach. We were not in a bidding war for his services. That is Lew's ultimate debacle that he left us.

Gill proved beyond a shadow of a doubt within 2 seasons that he is not D1 capable.

It is unfortunate that in coaching & across many sports (pro bball & football come to mind quickly) that have gone to guaranteed contracts for players & incentives end up being just icing on the cake.

David Friend 10 years, 6 months ago

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Steve Corder 10 years, 6 months ago

Defense will carry this team. Beyond that and fine coaching, this season will be Self's most challenging. If Baylor and Missouri want a title they have their best opportunity this season. Help for the Hawks comes next year.

hawk316 10 years, 6 months ago

Perses, I must disagree. I don't believe Keegan was trying to be mean spirited. He is just pointing out an obvious weakness in this year's team. They do not pass the ball very well. I have noticed and been concerned about this very issue while watching the team perform this year. The important skill of passing is often highly underrated, but when it is absent on a team, it becomes as noticeable as the big red pimple on the homecoming queen's nose.

I tend to agree with Self that this team simply does not have it in them to be a great passing team. Let's hope they do improve over the course of the season. At this point, I would settle for a "good" passing team.

Tony Bandle 10 years, 6 months ago

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REHawk 10 years, 6 months ago

JB, you win the Postgame Award of the Day, as the Jayhawk Nation's blue ribbon spin artist!

Clarence Haynes 10 years, 6 months ago

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Robert Brock 10 years, 6 months ago

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Kenny Nall 10 years, 6 months ago

This is what the rest of the season is for.

notigers4me 10 years, 6 months ago

It's amazing to me how many of you who don't like Keegan always seem to find time to read his articles. If I didn't like someones style of writing I wouldn't read their articles. I for one like all of the writers articles as long as it's about Kansas Athletics.

Clarence Haynes 10 years, 6 months ago

Good for U! He is still not good for Kansas Athletics!

jphog 10 years, 6 months ago

This team shoots freethrows extremely well. Perhaps better than any KU team I can remember in recent history. What about that jaybate?

Mike Kendall 10 years, 6 months ago

Love Travis's reaction in the picture above---classic!

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago


I had to grind heavy numbers once upon a time for quite a few years. Lots and lots of looking at scatter plots and trying to understand what the data was saying, rather than trying to make the data say something.

Data is your friend, if you let it be.

But most persons use data like a whore. They pay for it. They make it do whatever they want. And then they throw it away and try to deny they actually used it this way.

I learned long, long ago that looking at what is really going on is very, very, very hard for most people.

They all want lens biased to what they already believe.

For these persons, science is a quest to prove what you already think you know, to find what you already believe. And parsing data is the act of finding models that minimize what you want to ignore in the first place.

I learned to do the reverse, not because I wanted to, but because I had no choice in trying to survive in what I used to do at that time.

Data is my friend.

It only asks you to see it for what it is, not make something up about it that excludes much of it.

Take this team.

Most persons bitch and moan about this negative, or that negative, or this shortcoming, or that shortcoming.

They say the stats for this team are all not nearly as good as this team, or that team, and so on.

They see what isn't there--the shortcomings. They are critics. They are persons who never had to learn to see what is actually there to work with and build with and let become something original and unique to these resources.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

Of course I see what they see. Morons can see that. Anyone can an does. Millions of years of evolution conditioned us to see the negative as a red flag to keep from getting fooled. But that same evolution gave us the analytical equivalent of an opposing thumb, but lots of persons just don't use their analytical thumbs for much but sticking them you know where, because it feeling some thing bad is better than feeling dissonance about what you believe.

The key is to explain what is happening amidst the temptation to focus on what is not happening.

Self talks about what is not happening, like a dissatisfied woman.

But at the same time, he is able to say, "But a 28 point win over a Big East team isn't bad," or something to that effect.

Self doesn't often share what is going right, because that would be stupid to do. Why give an opposing coach the drivers of what is going right, so he can focus on dissolving the alloys that enable it.

And the 28 point victory is the only reality that matters as a point of departure for understanding what is going on in this game.

Listen to the data.

28 point victory.

Lots of individual and team stats that are not nearly as good as teams in the past.

But a 28 point victory over a Big East team, even against a not very good one, indicates a team that is doing something right...something that the traditional stats, or at least the traditional way of viewing the stats obscures.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

Most people just go ideological and start explaining new events in terms of their religions, or their wishes. They start saying, "This win is a mirage. That near win against Duke was really just a near loss in which they can't do this and can't do that. That big UK loss, that's the truth." These folks go to the negative like positive ends of a magnet do. They complete only a circuit of ignorance. They can't help themselves until the light goes on that completing circuits of ignorance is not the path to solutions.

If reality is not conforming to their ideals, their beliefs, their "knowns," their ossified insights, then they have to go to the negative in order to avoid the cognitive dissonance of the positive. Nowhere's villa as we used to say in the early 70s to make fun of the late sixties and yet use it too.

Knowing this about people, liberates you to tolerate and help them, when it seems worth taking the time to do so.

Self is an absolute Dancing Wu Li master at seeing through the negs that the dissatisfied woman in him identifies like a geiger counter counting isotopes from Fukushima Dai Ichi critical masses fissioning free in the earth beneath the reactor floor.

Most persons could pick the starters out of this talent on this year's team. Duh.

But most persons could never in a million years have schemed this team of starters and supplemented it perfectly with a tiny few skills from a very limited bunch of backups.

Anyone who says they could have is lying to themselves, or is a very good basketball coach slumming it on this web site.

What Self is doing here is the basketball equivalent of rocket flipping science. Self's assistants probably don't even get where he's going until after he's there part of the time. They just learned to give the woman in him what he wants, when he wants it, and let the Dancing Wu Li master in him conjure up what it is that can be with the skills and aptitudes they develop in the players for him to conjure with.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

See: Self doesn't just fit the pieces together, like a watch maker, lots of good coaches do that. Self creates alloys out of certain combinations of players that make them more than the sum of their parts.

This is the team is all important magnified through his laser basketball intellects alloying of disparate abilities into schemes that enable strengths and mask weaknesses.

TRob and Withey and TRob and Justin are alloys that counter each other's weaknesses through alloying their strengths.

Self did this last year with The Twins and TRob.

He does it every year.

This more than anything is why Self wins at a higher percentage than all the other guys who get even more and better talent.

He finds alloys of perimeter players and alloys of bigs.

Most of the other coaches area just finding five guys that play well together.

Self fuses and fits alloyed players together into components that are then fitted together.

This is where he differs from most coaches. Most coaches can't create the alloys first. Consonants can. Donovan can. Eddie could. Knight could. Hartman could. Wooden could most of all.

Roy can't. Roy has to work with what he has. Five talented guys. He never builds alloys. He just purifies the raw materials into the best they can be as 5 pieces of a well oiled watch.

Roy would be .500 with this team, maybe .400, just as he was some years back when his larder got understocked.

Self is doing this with alloying, not with mirrors, though he uses mirrors some, too.

Sooner or later, Self is going to run into a coach that understands alloys and how to separate and attack the separated alloys; then KU will get the snot beaten out of it.

UK was not one of those teams, because Calipari is not one of those coaches. UK beat us bad not because they were so good. They beat us bad, because we shot 25% from trey and they shot 45% from trey. End of discussion about how great UK is. Long and young. Not long and great...not yet.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

I don't think I would understand what Self is doing, if I hadn't grown up watching Jack Hartman early and long. Hartman is the great unsung genius of alloying players into more than the sum of their talents, more than really good watches, of alloying them into fricking naval grade chronometers. Atomic clocks even?

No matter, I'm talking in metaphors about something that anyone can break down if they want to.

The conventional stats are obscuring the goodness of this team and Self is letting them.

He is bad mouthing this team in a big, big way for public consumption, to keep it off the radar screen, to hold own expectations, to surprise the hell out of Ohio State and Thad Matta, when the time comes.

Self wants to beat Ohio State so bad he can taste it. He knows that season may well hinge on that game. A big win there could send this team on a tear. A big loss there could shake the team's confidence backwards several weeks and seriously delay till February this team believing in itself again.

This is a special team. It is cobbled together out of cast off parts. It is not good in any conventional way. But cast off parts have been melted down and alloyed in a way that is hard for other teams to figure out how to beat. UK was completely baffled the first half. And when Cal figured it out, he was really only saved by KU's bad trifectation and UK's hot trifectation.

Even Consonants couldn't figure it out till the second half. Consonants realized the key was to break down the alloy of TRob and Withey by isolating on Withey again and again, so that TRob and Withey could not complement each other.

But here is the thing: Self and Manning have been developing Withey's ability to alloy with TRob even when he is under isolation. Self is fixing it and that is why Withey looks kind of iffy again. He's learning a bunch of new stuff again.

Break the alloys of this team and then this team really is just a .500 team.

But alloyed and operational, this team is very tough to beat.

It is a team that wins by wrecking what you like to do and doing things you are that great a doing, despite all of your talent.

This is exactly the kind of team that is most baffling to fans that like what they know and know what they like.

Could this team go all the way?

I don't see how in a million years.

But then I remember that I didn't give KU's '88 team a chance in hell either.

But when unconventional teams get hot in March, championships sometimes happen.

AsadZ 10 years, 6 months ago

A lot of us KU Fans including myself, have been spoiled over the years, and we become negative after watching sloppy BB. With that said you have done a very good job and outlining how things should be put in perspective. Rock Chalk..

Lance Hobson 10 years, 6 months ago

I've been reading Beyond the Phog and was surprised by JR Gidden's take on the Bucknell game. When you look at the stats - he was something like 0-11 on threes - you conclude that he lost that game for us. Technically, he did. But he said the Bucknell players knew the plays and were yelling that he was going to get the ball and knew exactly where. They would then run at him and make him take a difficult contested shot. He tried to tell Self and requested to drive but Self insisted on him shooting threes like a potted plant. No driving allowed.

JR got drafted in the first round after a senior year in which he took very few threes. Self missed the boat on using JR's talent. Maybe he was blinded by his shot in the Elite 8 agains Georgia Tech. Perhaps he is an expert forging solid metals on the court only from players he recruited and knows. JR may as well have come from Mars.

My worry with this team is that he's found the best chemistry and now it's just a matter of time before teams find our weaknesses and expose them. I just don't see a ton of improvement happening, while other teams will find their chemistry throughout the year. Much like the '89-90 team that started out so hot and fizzled by March. Everyone's chemistry will improve. No one's shooting will. And that is the problem.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

Your observations are important.

Strategy is choices with trade offs.

Not strategy, no scheme is without costs and vulnerabilities.

What people seem not to realize is that no matter how brilliantly a coach schemes, there are weak points to it.

Teams that are constructed from the beginning of their seasons in such a way that can exploit those weak points can beat a team that has won a whole lot more games over the course of the season.

Also, teams that are particularly adaptable to exploiting such a weakness maybe able to successfully exploit the weakness.

This story about Giddens, assuming it is true and not sour grapes, evidences about what I would expect to be Self's weakness as a coach and the weakness of his scheming.

I believe Self is very astute at assessing his material, fitting it together in optimal ways and at that point he does not vary from the scheme.

What he tries to do is make sure that the scheme he decides on has sufficiently flexibility to play it almost any way they want...but no scheme and no team has enough talent to play it any way they want every way they want and hold match up advantages at every position.

Self plays the percentages. If you are going to beat him, you have to beat him with what he thinks KU's impact players are and the schemes he has created to enable those impact players to execute.

I frankly don't ever recall seeing him improvise outside the impact players and the schemes he has created to let them impact.

What he does is play a shell game with an opponent about which impact player he is going to play through.

What Giddens was saying was that Bucknell knew he was going to shoot the trey a certain number of times a game.

Why was he supposed to shoot the trey a number of times a game, and not slash?

Because slashing undermines the usual high low scheme.

It causes the defense to collapse into the paint, exactly what you don't want when you want to play through the bigs.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

Self does not use slashers in the conventional sense of the 3 position guy that forward drives and slashes down the lane.


Because it collapses the defense on a your bigs, the very guys you want to play through if you can to ensure high scoring efficiency.

Giddens was offering a solution that was only a solution for him, not for the offensive scheme.

Self wanted Giddens to keep shooting the three to stretch the defense out and enable isolations for KU's big man advantage both when fed the ball, and grabbing stick backs.

KU was much the bigger team inside.

Giddens didn't get it.

If he wasn't open, he was supposed to be feeding the post.

If he was open, he was to take the open look.

It is simple.

Self always has slashers. Travis Releford is the greatest natural slasher from the 3 spot I have seen for awhile, but Self doesn't want him slashing, any more than Self wanted Giddens slashing from the wing.

Should Self have opted to let Giddens take over the offense, and free lance outside the scheme, because the scheme was not working?


But in all of these mid major losses persons complain about, the losses are only by small margins, and occur when the mid major plays a terrific game and Self sends KU out flat, so that he can juice them the following game against what he believes is the tougher opponent.

Self believes a coach can amp a team only so often.

Self doesn't amp the team for these mid majors.

He saves the amping for the tougher teams.

I say this time and again Team performance and Self's sideline behavior seem incontrovertible proof that he does exactly what I am saying. But many people disagree.

KU lost to Bucknell because Self sent KU out flat, it caused a close game against a sound team with a hot trey hand.

Giddens loses faith in the scheme, because he is not getting open looks.

Self needs him to take the open looks or reverse the ball around and feed the bigs.

But Giddens is cold and somewhat immature at the point. Young players that go cold shooting, often get frustrated and want to veer from the plan--revert to what else they can do, rather than stay within the scheme of the team.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

Ask your self this question: would your rather have the bigs on that team taking shots inside, with Giddens stretching the defense occasionally with trey shots, or would you rather junk the scheme that brought you there, and have J.R. Giddens slash?

If Giddens can't get the open looks, then I would rather just throw it into the bigs and let them work for shots.

Giddens assumed that he was a higher percentage scoring option slashing, than were KU's bigs in that game.

Is that a credible assumption?

I don't think so.

Giddens may have felt he had MUA to drive, but did he have more MUA than KU's formidable big men working against an undersized mid major front line?

I don't think so.

The place to challenge Bill Self's approach regards his approach to sending teams out intentionally flat some games, and intentionally amped others.

Through out his KU tenure, intentionally sending teams out flat in the early rounds of the Madness has been, IMHO, the underlying cause of all the upsets.

Why do I say underlying?

Because the obvious surface cause is KU shooting very poorly from trey in these games, while the opponent shoots very well from trey.

But the key thing to remember is these area always very close losses despite the huge disparity in Trey shooting percentages.

What I infer is that if KU had been sent out even a little amped up, KU would almost certainly have scored more other ways and so have overcome the cold trey hand.

So: sending teams out flat costs Self dearly in cold shooting games.

But it gives him some awesome performances that enable him to beat some teams he couldn't without the awesome performances. I am thinking here specifically about KU vs. UNC in 2008. UNC appeared to me to be the better team. KU just game the most inspired, Herculean first half defensive performance that I have ever, shot well, and built a huge lead that even UNC could not over come the second half.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

So: with Self you get great ups and occasionally embarrassing downs.

John Wooden, also a disciple of many of the same tenets of Iba ball that Bill Self subscribes to, looked over the motivational is thoroughly and decided that it was best to use his own awesome inspirational powers to try to achieve a very even emotional pitch from game to game, while using that inspirational power of his to constantly crank up their confidence.

Wooden believed that constantly feeling confident and constantly maintaining an even emotional strain, made his teams consistently tougher to manipulating their emotional pitch up and down, and trying to spike it sky high for big games.

Because Wooden won his first two rings with what seemed to me slightly inferior talent, after a ten year grind of getting beat, and then proceeded to win something like ten straight, I think Wooden made the case persuasively that building self confidence in each player, while encouraging them to maintain an even strain is the best approach.

But Self's approach is probably the best approach for him in particular and for his basketball and human philosophy.

Wooden believed that human beings could achieve and sustain a high degree of excellence in performance.

Self believes differently. Self believes all human being play one third great games, one third average games, and one third bad games. Self says the way to be a champion is to learn how to win when you are playing badly. Self does not believe players can perform at a high level all the time.

Self is winning 84 percent of the time, 7 B12 titles and has a ring by about the time Wooden first discovered the secret to winning ten straight.

Self's approach could yet prove to be the superior of Wooden, if Self can figure out how to minimize the downsides of his teams performances when he sends them out flat.

But great as I think Self is, I doubt that he can overcome the self fulfilling prophesy of his assumptions about one third great performances, one third mediocre performances, and one third bad performances.

Until Self is willing to take the risk that Wooden took; that risk of believing human beings are capable of consistently being better than the bell curve of human performance Self subscribes to, I think his ceiling is necessarily limited to beneath what Wooden achieved.

Regarding J.R. Gidden, Self finally did not believe Gidden had the right stuff to win Self's way. The knife fight was probably just the final trigger to end a relationship that could never blossom, because Self could apparently never trust Gidden fully.

For what its worth, I watched Gidden play. I liked him a lot. But I would never have given him the ball and said drive it for the rest of the game against Bucknell.

I would have said, "If you're covered, reverse the ball, you bleeping idiot, so we can get the bigs a high percentage touch."

But that's just me.

Sparko 10 years, 6 months ago

Well, playing some of the best defensive teams in D-1 will make you look bad on occasion. I have seen some terrific feeds from Tharpe and EJ this year, and this will improve with time. The team is a bit road weary already and really needs to stay home and practice to build more chemistry.

REHawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Continue to pump air into the pipes, jb. Harmonious vibes....

Lance Hobson 10 years, 6 months ago

Gents, I honestly cannot say if this team will get better or not, I suppose they'll improve to some extent. I just have a feeling that this is one of those teams that other teams catch up to. It was common in Roy's years when we'd play so well as a team early and then the more athletic teams would catch up later. Since we don't shoot well and likely won't get significantly better in that area, I tend to think we may be in trouble later in the season.

As for Self picking and choosing which games he increases the ampage, it may be valid for UNI and Bucknell, and maybe VCU, but probably not Bradley and Davidson. I include Davidson because that was SO close to being a loss. Getting so close to the Final 4, you'd think the guys were just hyped regardless, but based on Self's comments after the VCU game I think they were too calm going into that one. The kids were too young in the Bradley game to not be amped.

I do wonder if Self is so set on his "scheme" that he can't change when it's clearly not working. VCU got a big lead before we stopped it, despite multiple times out, so maybe that's not it. It's like the definition of insanity, he keeps doing the same thing expecting the result to change when a drastic adjustment may be needed. Against UNI he stuck with Collins when he was running us into the ground.

One more thing about Bucknell. Langford never should have been in there. If he wasn't blowing drives, maybe Self wouldn't have needed JR's threes. He was badly hurt and that in turn hurt us.

Paula Unseth 10 years, 6 months ago

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4jhawks4ku 10 years, 6 months ago

Did you actually read his takes or just breeze over them?

Luke Kading 10 years, 6 months ago

I could not agree more with this article. I remember those two potential lob plays that Self was talking about and they were both underthrown horribly by the big man (I believe one was by Withey and the other Robinson). I remember saying to my wife after the second time it happened that those would have been two dunks last year with the Morris twins.

And it's not just the obvious miscues on the lob plays. It's also feeding the post and initiating the offense. They are just giving away possessions right now and it will cost them big time when they play better competition if they don't get it fixed soon.

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