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Wednesday, February 3, 2016

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Tom Keegan: Bill Self turns red over Brannen Greene — again

Kansas guard Wayne Selden Jr. (1) puts up a three over Kansas State guard Justin Edwards (14) during the second half on Wednesday, Feb. 3, 2016 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas guard Wayne Selden Jr. (1) puts up a three over Kansas State guard Justin Edwards (14) during the second half on Wednesday, Feb. 3, 2016 at Allen Fieldhouse.

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It was difficult to tell the winning coach from the losing one in the wake of Kansas University burying Kansas State again in Allen Fieldhouse, 77-59, Wednesday night.

The losing coach talked about how proud he was of his team and it was easy to see why. The weakened-by-injury Wildcats stormed to an early lead, stormed back from a big deficit, won the effort plays and snagged 36 rebounds, compared to 21 for the home team.

The winning coach started his interaction with the media by apologizing. Again, it was easy to see why, given the Richard move by one of his players at the end of the game. Brannen Greene dunked with one second remaining to expand the team’s lead to 18 points and, more importantly, his point total to eight in six minutes.

Greene made 3 of 3 shots from the field, his only three-pointer, his only free throw, did not turn it over and quite possibly had the most imperfect perfect game in basketball history.

Kansas coach Bill Self not only called it a Richard move in less formal language on the radio, he also called it “totally classless” by the time he reached the media room.

Greene, remember, so impressed Self with his lip about playing time earlier in the season that the coach suspended him for six games.

Greene’s teammates live in the Taj Mahal of the college basketball world, lavish McCarthy Hall. Greene lives in a doghouse that belongs to the coach. Again. It’s a shame, too, because the guy has such a beautiful jumper, looked so eager to please in the wake of his suspension, and when Svi Mykhailiuk doesn’t play the way he did Wednesday, Greene brings needed scoring punch off the bench.

Greene knows full well what his coach thinks about showing up opponents and rubbing it in. He sees teammates dribble out of the clock game after game. He knows the drill. And even knowing all that, he did what he knew would infuriate his coach anyway. There is no way he thought that would land him more playing time than the six minutes he played in this one, so why did he dunk, essentially posterizing his coach? Self’s move now. I wonder if Greene will play Saturday at TCU.

When apologizing for Greene’s “act,” Self guaranteed it wouldn’t happen again, but that doesn’t mean he’s going to run Greene from the team. His potential — strange word to use for a junior, I know — is too great. He can develop — again, strange word to use for a junior — into a major factor for this team. The hour is getting late for Greene. There must be some way out of the doghouse, but he’s the only one who can make it happen.

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Bill Self apologizes to K-State before taking questions

Before Kansas basketball coach Bill Self fielded questions from the media after the Jayhawks' win over Kansas State, he apologized to KU's rivals for Brannen Greene's last-second basket in a 77-59 win.

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Self’s ire was saved for Greene, but his disappointment cast a wider net.

“I thought they outplayed us,” Self said. “They beat us to loose balls. They rebounded. We played soft. We had one stretch in the second half, I think we were turned up pretty good.”

But too many stale stretches.

“It was amazing to me we were up 10 at half and I felt like it was a tie game,” Self said. “Second half, we gave the 10-point lead back. ... It wasn’t a well-played game by us. They definitely bullied us on the glass and certainly played much tougher. That’s about as soft as I can remember one of our teams playing.”

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Ellis, Mykhailiuk and Graham talk Sunflower Showdown win

Kansas basketball players Perry Ellis, Svi Mykhailiuk and Devonté Graham discuss the Jayhawks' Sunflower Showdown victory over rival Kansas State.

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Kansas shot .551 from the field, .389 from three-point land, and forced 23 turnovers, so it was far from a total disaster, but it was enough to put the winning coach in a lousy mood.

“Once again our three-man gets no rebounds, doesn’t do anything form a physical standpoint to create anything,” Self said of junior Wayne Selden, who was coming off a 33-point game in an overtime victory against Kentucky. “Polar opposite of the other day. He’ll regroup and do better, but he didn’t impact the game in any way, shape or form tonight. He was active defensively maybe for a three-or-four-minute stretch, but didn’t guard, didn’t rebound, didn’t make shots, turned it over, didn’t handle pressure. It was a polar-opposite game from the other night.”

Playing better opponents in a different building will require more feisty play from the Jayhawks, who nevertheless improved their record to 18-4 overall and 6-3 in the loaded Big 12.

— See what people were saying about the Sunflower Showdown during KUsports.com’s live coverage.


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By the Numbers: Kansas beats K-State, 77-59

By the Numbers: Kansas beats K-State, 77-59

Comments

Dirk Medema 3 years, 10 months ago

Coach was already shaking hands during the shot, and the rest of both teams were heading that way. It's been a while since EJ did it - different scenario that time, at Hilton.

Jerry Walker 3 years, 10 months ago

How many welcomes home does the prodigal son get?

Bryce Landon 3 years, 10 months ago

I have mixed feelings about Greene's dunk and Self's reaction. The dunk was definitely unnecessary and showed, once again, Greene's low level of maturity for a college junior. Self, however, doesn't need to go out of his way to apologize to K-$tate for it. Not after the half-hearted, self-glorifying apologies that came from Jon Currie's piehole after the violent court-storming at Bramlage Coliseum last year and after the K-$tate band created the image of a Jayhawk perfoming a B.J. at their season-opening football game. You wanna talk about a **** move...

Oliver Chamberlain 3 years, 10 months ago

Bryce, I agree with you for the most part. But Coach Self reacted just as he should have. How you conduct yourself shouldn't be predicated on the actions of others. If the next guy wants to be classless, that's on him. But Self is making it clear he is not going to tolerate that in his program.

Aaron Paisley 3 years, 10 months ago

You're right, Self's conduct shouldn't be impacted by the actions of one of his players. It should be impacted by the fact that he's the head basketball coach at the University of Kansas and public face of KU Athletics to the rest of the country and is held to a higher standard of behavior whether anybody thinks he should be or not.

Brad Richardson 3 years, 10 months ago

Totally agree with Bryce on this one. I really think Self needs to crawl off of Greene's backside. Greene and Svi were the reason we avoided a major embarrassment last night. Maybe Self needs to apologize for his inability to get this team ready to play about 50% of our games this year. Enough of the "they are tired" excuses!

Allin Herring 3 years, 10 months ago

I agree this years team has more excuses for poor play than Crater has pills. Self needs to get just as upset at the poor play this team continues to display game after game. I believe this is the worst KU team since the Ted Owens days.

Doug Longstaff 3 years, 10 months ago

I understand why coach is upset and all, since the game has developed a certain type of code with regard to what you're supposed to do at the end of the game. Personally, I just don't like that the code has developed like this in the first place. I don't like how, in certain sports, you're expected to stop playing before the final horn sounds. For crying out loud, you have maybe 4 years as a college athlete. It goes fast--play every minute you can! Why wouldn't you at least go through the motions of trying to stop people from scoring for the whole game? So you start walking off the floor when there's time left--and somehow GREENE (the one who keeps playing until the end) is the bad guy?

Again, I understand that's the sport's code. I just think it's a dumb code. Play the whole game.

Tom Jones 3 years, 10 months ago

It's not about "playing the game". It's about class. Pretty simple. Everyone on the court had stopped playing and KU dribbles the ball out there. That's what they do at Kansas.

No class.

That said, bad choice of words from the head coach when he called it a d*** move on the mic.

Doug Longstaff 3 years, 10 months ago

I respect this. I understand that the game has developed this way. I just wish it would have developed a culture where it is considered classless to walk off the floor before the game is over. Too late now.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 10 months ago

How much in fines will the Jayhawk IMG Sports Network have to pay to the FCC for allowing that word on the air?

David Friend 3 years, 10 months ago

Andrew White should of stayed.. He is now a beast!

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 10 months ago

19 pts and 9 rebs last night @ Maryland. I think he's grown now listed at 6'7. BUT if he had stayed, I don't think he would have been given the PT needed to get to where he is.

http://www.bnd.com/sports/article58345868.html

Tom Jones 3 years, 10 months ago

EJ apologized for it right after the game as did Self.

Austin Lopez 3 years, 10 months ago

Bill Self didn't go on a rant a couple years ago when Elijah Johnson dunked the ball vs Iowa State in the last seconds when the game was clearly over, smh Bill Self smh.... Either way both was classless acts at the end of the day, right is right and wrong is wrong and I didn't see Bill Self go on a rant, anyway what a classy move by self going around on a radio show talking down on the kid, yeah Bill Self lets go on medio outlets and rip our own player, address it in the locker room and leave it at that...

Pius Waldman 3 years, 10 months ago

Absolutely that should have been a private matter. Coach Self is the leader of his players and remember he earlier gave a SIX game suspension for a player wanting to have more playing time. Yes Greene shouldn't have done that but maybe Coach should have handled it in a private manner rather than blowing a gasket during an interview after the game.

Terrence Cernech 3 years, 10 months ago

Sometimes in sports players do incredibly stupid things. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge about something. Stupidity is knowing something is wrong and doing it anyway. Greene was stupid and not for the first time. Just looking at his "game" after three years at a bastion of college basketball says volumes. He is as close to a complete one dimensional player as you will find in college basketball. Defensively, he is not a liability but a detriment, frequently out of position and in the way of a teammate. Offensively, is a horrid ball handler and decision maker, and has to be completely open to be effective as a shooter in most cases. His shooting percentage drops perceptibly if closely guarded and certainly can not create his own shot. . And, most importantly, quite possibly a cancer in the locker room (granted I have no knowledge of the inner workings of the KU locker room.). Regardless of his intentions (???) if Greene didn't know how Self felt about such things, he is incredibly stupid. Hate to rag on a kid, but at his age he should be better in so many areas with just a little concession on his part and dedication to his team. IMHO

Jeremy Wilhelm 3 years, 10 months ago

But Elijah came right out and said he was wrong to do what he did. Guessing Brannen hasn't owned his actions in a similar fashion.

Bill Kackley 3 years, 10 months ago

I put my feelings about what Greene did at the end of the other article and how he poorly represented KU. I did not here the radio, but if Bill Self made that statement on the radio, he was poorly representing KU also. I have no problem if he states that he didn't appreciate it and that it would be taken care of in the locker room, but to call it a d*** move in public wasn't very classy either.

Craig Alexander 3 years, 10 months ago

Why would anybody be defending Greene and what he did? What Greene did was a very public display of a classless act and it was exactly as Self described it. If a defender was hounding Greene, then by all means go dunk on him but when they are walking away?? He was being a punk and got called out for it. He should have. The first incident with Greene should have been handled in private but this was a very public deal and was handled as such.

William Weissbeck 3 years, 10 months ago

Maybe not practical, but wouldn't it have been better to have Greene apologize on air at the news conference, or to walk him over to the K-State locker room? On a different note, in the Chicago area I was able to watch KU and WSU at the same time. WSU lacks height this year, but they display a lot more quickness. The other thing obvious is watching how Van Fleet and Baker run their team compared to our group. On the bright side, Self needs to adopt the pressure for 40 minutes. Hard to know whether K-State was easy pickings because they were down a starting guard, but using pressure at least keeps our guys moving.

Michael Leiker 3 years, 10 months ago

News flash, Bill Self gets overly pissed about somewhat trivial stuff a lot...In a related story, KU can't land any talent at the 1 or 2 any more.

David Ferneau 3 years, 10 months ago

Oubre came on late last year, and Wiggins was two years ago, so...

Robert Brock 3 years, 10 months ago

Brannen Greene may show improved maturity in another six or seven years.

Danny Hernandez 3 years, 10 months ago

Memo to Coach Self, how about getting pizzed at your guards for not being able to stop the dribble drive, your bigs for not playing with a chip and at yourself for not getting a 5 Star PG!

The team has no fire and plays soft. No one fears Kansas anymore.

Brian Skelly 3 years, 10 months ago

My guess is if it was someone other than Greene, Self wouldnt have said something publicly. At least not to the extent he did. It's obvious how much Greene's lack of good judgement though burns Self to no end. As I've pointed out previously, for as well as he shoots it, it's a shame he's lacking in other areas as well, or he'd likely play more. Im sure he wont get suspended, nor should he. He could just ride pine this weekend and be done with it.

That said, it was as uninspiring 'blowout' as could be. K-State was already undermanned, and with fouls, they were running guys out there who arent Big 12 material. And it showed. We need to play better, especially on the road if we wanna dance at all in March.

Bryan Hutchinson 3 years, 10 months ago

It seems to me more and more each year since the departure of D-Manning, that the development of our "bigs" has declined. I love B-Greens energy and ability to stretch the opponents defense, but defensively he is horrible. He also doesn't obviously make team style choices. Ultimately if he doesn't dig deep and make some changes he will probably end up being the greatest Rec League player of all time.

Mike Barnhart 3 years, 10 months ago

I'm worried that the long "road trip" to Korea and the fraternity atmosphere at McCarthy Hall has allowed a goofball to become the leader of our team. His teammates seem to love him. NFL Knuckleheads sabotage their teams all the time -Ndamukong Suh, Vontaze Burfict, Randy Moss, Chad Johnson... If NFL clubs aren't immune to it, neither is Bill Self.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 10 months ago

Greene is the leader of the Jayhawks? You must have info I'm not privy to.

Ndamukong Suh sabotaged the Detroit Lions? The Lions are the NFL's worst team, winning their last playoff game in 1992 when Ndamukong Suh was five years old. Barry Sanders gave up being the NFL's all-time leading rusher because he could no longer put up with the Lions culture of losing.

You got to do a lot better than that.

Bob Audley 3 years, 10 months ago

I'm not in favor of public reprimand....

Kansas has far greater problems than Brannen G.

Like not being able to make it to The Sweet 16...

Ben Kane 3 years, 10 months ago

I believe Self felt that Greene violated his and the university's fundamental philosophy of being a good sport and showing respect to your opponents. Not all schools (cough cough mizery) have that same code.

Obviously that code is more important to him than one basketball game or one player. That code and his reaction to it is one reason why I'm proud to be a Jayhawk. I openly mock other teams that pull that move and have always said a KU team would never do that. Can't say that anymore.

Kent Richardson 3 years, 10 months ago

This is another indication of a team and coach in turmoil. Over react and under react. Brannen is a bonehead. What's new? Over react. A lot of the players were crappy. What's new? Under react.

I do think Self is getting the message about this team and making changes that hurt the veterans feelings. Z*** and Svi playing.

Lloyd Kinnison 3 years, 10 months ago

Mr Greene violated good sportsmanship. He is very immature and is not representative of the Jayhawks.. Maybe it is time to depart from his membership as a Jayhawk.

Micky Baker 3 years, 10 months ago

I didn't see this when it happened, but I saw it afterwards. I think it was classless, but I don't think this is deserving of this much criticism. I don't think EJ deserved as much as he got either.

Self should be angry about how the guys started the game, no energy. They do this to someone much better than K-State and the home winning streak comes to an end. This was a full four days after Kentucky. This is the time to step it up, and I guarantee you that this would not have happened. K-State was talking trash early... when they were up by 9 and there were some moments that even Weber was unsportsmanlike.

The one thing that I've learned to do is to take a different perspective than I did say about 20 years ago when KU loses. It doesn't hurt me as much as it hurts the players and the coaches and both the players and the coaches have to take responsibility for how they play the whole game. If we were playing West Virginia, OU, Baylor, or a better team,we lose that game last night. Get it under control, and there would be no team talking trash against us at AFH as we would be winning from beginning to end every time.

Harlan Hobbs 3 years, 10 months ago

I note that a lot of the most sensible "posters" to this site have not weighed in on this matter. Thank you.

To those who believe in sportsmanship and doing things the right way, this is an open and shut case. If Coach Self were to decide to drop Brannen from the team, that would be OK with me. He is obviously a royal pain in the "you know where".

I could care less what happens at other schools. If K-State and Iowa State want to act classless, that is on them, as several have said. In my opinion, no KU coach, either present or in the past, would tolerate Brannen's behavior. That's one reason why KU is so special and a cut above most programs.

Kit Duncan 3 years, 10 months ago

I'm going to suggest something that folks here may find crazy. I thought it at the time Brannen was dunking the ball but afterwards believed as others that he was being disrespectful.

But I'm back on the possibility that since Devonte` gave up the ball, Brannen may have thought the clock had expired. In that case, he was possibly just making (in his mind) a dead-ball dunk, much as Frank Mason on a couple of whistles earlier in the game tossed up a three point shot.

Guys do that all the time during games, taking an opportunity to shoot an extra shot, though with the knowledge it won't count.

If you listen to the fieldhouse announcer, he thought the basket hadn't counted, announcing the final score as 75-59.

Michael Johnson 3 years, 10 months ago

I believe Self had a meltdown and took it out on Greene. This was supposed to be "the year" and its not turning out that way. On a scale of 1-10 of violations, this was about a 3, but Self has turned it into a 12. Greene doesn't shoot folks with soft air guns, he doesn't flash strange women in elevators, and he doesn't start fights with the football team. He complained about playing time as did Frankamp, White and the kid from Washington a few years back. They're all gone. You can be a thug and you're ok with Self, but questioning his coaching, gets you a one way ticket out of town.

Don Sparlin 3 years, 10 months ago

There seem to be plenty of others that guard better, drive the lane, work the post, and shoot 3's adequately. Dog house it is.

Ty Mar 3 years, 10 months ago

Blows a gasket over a dunk and people wonder why this team is soft. Apologizing, practically on your hands and knees to the other team for a dunk- IN THE GAME- is just....

I guess we should start handing out trophies to everyone in NCAA so no one feels second place-hey, it would be "classy".

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