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Should KU fans stop shouting "home of the Chiefs" after the national anthem?

Yes 87% 4750 votes

No 9% 527 votes

I don't know 2% 124 votes

5401 total votes

Comments

bww8891 9 years, 9 months ago

Any one voting "No" has the right because of the "brave" that defend your friggin' rights. Show some respect you ingrateful dolts. I hate it when they do it at Arrowhead but at least there it has a little relevance. To do it inside Allen Fieldhouse is disrespectful to KU, the men's basketball team and more importantly, the veterans and service men and women in attendance. C'mon student section, you're better than that.

jhyphene 9 years, 9 months ago

The beginning and end of the debate is all right there.

KGphoto 9 years, 9 months ago

Kansas isn't even the home of the Chiefs. It's absurd!

Maybe somebody should make some signs and start pointing out and embarrassing the schmucks who insist on continuing. If 90% of the fans here want to end it, let's end it.

Another good way to end this would be for those 90% to exercise their own freedom of speech and drown out the measly 10% with "Brave!!!!" How hard is that?

HawksWin 9 years, 9 months ago

dragster, perhaps you are better off attending the Chiefs game than Jayhawks? These are two separate sports, two different entity. No need to disrespect our country in the name of Chiefs. Without our country, there'll be no Chiefs - think of Europe, the Middle East and Asia where soccer dominates and football doesn't exist at all. It takes maturity to know what is appropriate when and where. Just because you want it doesn't mean it is right. Only a child blurs out whatever s/he feels, wants & needs anytime anywhere anyhow. And the National Anthem is not the time or place for it. Your response above also shows how disrespectful you are to Self. Do we have to wait for you to grow up & discern - as a Jayhawk?

drnater 9 years, 9 months ago

How many Chiefs were killed just so you can sing home of the "brave?" Its American to slaughter countless in a race just to take over their land, but its unamerican to say home of the Chiefs? Pay homage to the ones we took this land from!

bradh 9 years, 9 months ago

The NCAA is going to get you. You can't say anything about Indians anymore.

How many Chiefs died at the hands of Chiefs? Native Americans killed plenty of Native Americans before the Europeans ever showed up and afterwards. It was a different time and pretty much everybody (European, African, Middle Eastern, Asian, American Indian) was taking what they could get. For instance, I believe the Sioux had only been in the Black Hills 80 years or so before they defeated Custer. The Sioux moved in with muscle to displace the Cheyenne, Crow, Kiowa and Pawnee. Those tribes had displaced the Arikara. Like most of history, America (pre and post European) was Might makes Right (despite Merlin and Arthur).

Steven Mathew 9 years, 9 months ago

The reason why Kansas City's nickname is the Chiefs is NOT because of the Native Americans. Read the real story of how the term "Chiefs" was originated for Kansas City. Read the section in 1963 to learn how the Chiefs were coined: http://www.kcchiefs.com/team/chiefs-history/1960s.html

HawksWin 9 years, 9 months ago

You sure have your priorities mixed up. Your question of chicken or the egg is irrelevant. If you wish to honor them because of mistakes made in our history, why not sell your home, car & whatever assets you have & donate to America Indian Reservation of your choice? I'm sure that'd appreciate that much better than hollering home of the chiefs during our national anthem.

Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 9 years, 9 months ago

The Chiefs name refers to the Kansas City Mayor in 1963 who was instrumental in getting the team to come to Kansas City from Texas. The Mayors nickname was 'Chief'. The Chiefs name has no linkage to Native Americans.

So before you post something so great, put down the koolaide do a little research.

Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 9 years, 9 months ago

I'd like to see that. You are all bark no bite.

You'd take an assault charge in front of 16,000 people, many of whom are impressionable young children, to make a point about a word in a song. Nice, you obviously show tremendous amounts of foresight and wisdom.

Quit drinking the koolaide.

mdfraz 9 years, 9 months ago

1) We are in Lawrence, not Kansas City. 2) We are a university, not an NFL team. 3) Have some respect for the anthem and your country. It's pathetic and trashy to yell Chiefs.

theboehr 9 years, 9 months ago

I graduated last spring and can remember this chant being yelled by the student section even back to my freshmen year. I hate it. I think it's stupid and disrespectful. During my last couple years as a student, right before the national anthem was played, I would announce to the student nearby "NO home of the chiefs, NO home of the chiefs." I was always surprised it never got an article written about it and I'm glad that it's FINALLY getting some attention.

NO HOME OF THE CHIEFS!!!!

Steve Tramba 9 years, 9 months ago

What mdfraz said.... the Chiefs haven't won anything to shout about (ok, yay you beat GB) about since I've been alive. Embarrasses me as a KU grad.

Steven Mathew 9 years, 9 months ago

You know what else is embarrassing? You using the word "about" consecutively. But concerning the anthem, it shouldn't even be an argument. Chiefs are definitely not fighting for our country.

actorman 9 years, 9 months ago

If you're referring to the Chiefs' one Super Bowl victory, it wasn't over Green Bay, it was over Minnesota.

ahpersecoachingexperience 9 years, 9 months ago

In the past week we've had this, tebow, and berglund stories. i'm starting to wonder if this is a sport site or tmz!

LAJayhawk 9 years, 9 months ago

To be fair, it is a poll not an article. That being, KUSports would likely sell each of our grandmother's souls for a TMZ amount of internet traffic....

That is, if TMZ hadn't done so already.

Terry Sexton 9 years, 9 months ago

Your grandmother has more than one soul? Cool!

HawksWin 9 years, 9 months ago

Ahper, You are awesome! I love the new avatar!!! Thank you.

danmoore 9 years, 9 months ago

Cute bitch.

I'm referring to the dog of course.

HawksWin 9 years, 9 months ago

ahper, I usually find your posting humorous, but would you please drop your avatar? There are many people of faith doing so much good for others, let's now mock them please. We Jayhawks are for the most part respectful to all people & as fans we belong to another class - at least I believe we are. Thanks and keep us laughing.

Jace FitzGibbon 9 years, 9 months ago

this is whats wrong with the country. stop being so sensitive. if you cant take a little mockery of religion then you need to grow up

Alex Berger 9 years, 9 months ago

Growing up has nothing to do with it. Mocking something someone cares for and not caring of the effects show immaturity with those doing the mocking. Not saying its wrong to mock things, because humor is awesome, but here's to guessing hawkswin isn't the one who needs to grow up...

bradh 9 years, 9 months ago

  • infinity (sorry Michael, had to even out your scoring)

actorman 9 years, 9 months ago

You're right, AlBerg. I promise not to mock anyone's religion, including those who believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus.

Jace FitzGibbon 9 years, 9 months ago

youre one of the people who get all emotional when someone makes fun of something personal. someone can make fun of my dad being arrested or when he died and i could care less. people are way too sensitive. you have to be politically correct all the time and its stupid.

big deal, apherse had turner gill as a nun. pretty sure the world isnt ending or hawks win will off himself because someone depicted religion in a mocking light.

so no you need to grow up as well because if you cant handle mockery and criticism you wont make it far and im only 20 and i realize that. as gordon ramsay would say, "its not personal you fu**ing twat"

Alex Berger 9 years, 9 months ago

I actually don't care for the most part when people mock religion. Ahperse's avatar didn't bother me and I thought it was pretty funny. And maybe it is good for you that you can handle the serious things in your life being mocked but the reality is that it does have an effect on most people. I would love to explain but it is apparent that you are close-minded.

You're the one who made it personal by making statements about how people with these lines of thinking don't understand how the world works. Also, get that high school "you won't make it far" garbage out of here. With a Master's degree, a job, and a happy marriage I think I'm doing just fine.

Jace FitzGibbon 9 years, 9 months ago

thats the whole point of my argument that people who think along these lines are too sensitive lol. im not "close minded" because i accept all people no matter what they believe in or anything they choose. people who believe in religion are usually the ones who are the most close minded.

and congrats, obviously you can handle criticism. but a lot of kids that are being raised today getting the "you're a winner" or "you're the best at everything" treatment is not going to get them far. when they show up to a real job day 1 and get chewed out for messing up they dont know what to do with themselves. I've seen it in my job

HawksWin 9 years, 9 months ago

Stl, The problem as I see it is that everybody is given a green light to do or say whatever in the name of humor. Where does it end? We have accepted insults, traded self respect & courtesy for "all in jest"! Well I am sick and tired of media picking, poking, chastising those who do good deeds to help other fellow men! We need to appreciate them, not belittle them. If you are an adult, lead by examples for young ones to follow. Because one day those young ones will grow up & treat you without respect, courtesy or compassion - because they find it humorous.

Jace FitzGibbon 9 years, 9 months ago

thats the beauty of freedom of speech, it doesn't and shouldn't have to end.

and its debatable if religious figures truthfully help anyone out.

ahpersecoachingexperience 9 years, 9 months ago

nah, it's a kinder gentler ahperse this year. how's this one? it's brock and his, eh-hem, female dog!

Will Babbit 9 years, 9 months ago

Damn, now I'm all curious what the old one was...

Phoghorn 9 years, 9 months ago

I never examined it closely, but it was some sort of cartoonized photograph of a Nun.

Mary Darst 9 years, 9 months ago

Wasn't aware this was happening. I think it is disrespectable.

Matt Gauntt 9 years, 9 months ago

What are the upsides and downsides?

Upside - You get a ha-ha moment

Downside - you look like immature brats that don't respect the traditions of this country. Please make a cogent argument that it is better to support an NFL team than it is to support the sacrifice of thousands who fought 235 years ago to give you your freedom and the millions that have done so ever since.

Pick your choice.

Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 9 years, 9 months ago

You are yet another American who promotes the false historical ideals of our country.

When Francis Scott Key wrote the anthem from his cell I'm positive he was referring to the people in the future who would fight to promote and protect a Constitution that did not yet exist.

Quit drinking the koolaide.

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 9 months ago

If you are going to post non-sense (I am being kind) at least get your facts straight.

The Constitution was adopted on September 17, 1787, by the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and ratified by conventions in eleven states.

The Star-Spangled Banner" is the national anthem of the United States of America. The lyrics come from "Defence of Fort McHenry", a poem written in 1814 by the 35-year-old lawyer and amateur poet, Francis Scott Key.

So, when Scott wrote the words to the Star-Spangled Banner, the constitution had been around for 27 years.

Quit Drinking.

Ludwig Supraphonic 9 years, 9 months ago

Be brave and give our nation a minute of sincere respect. The adolescent in me provides me with irreverent impulses. I don't have to act on all of them.

Jeff Coffman 9 years, 9 months ago

Aren't the Chiefs in Missouri? If so, I don't think we should have anything associated with Missouri in AFH.

I'm still struggling with the last hire...be patient with me on that one.

Katie Bieber 9 years, 9 months ago

I LOVE that our last hire is a Fizzou Tigger! I should say WAS a Fizzou Tigger. If he still loved missouri so much, he would not have taken the job. He's defected now. Seen the light. Converted. And converts are the most zealous at anything!

Bob Forer 9 years, 9 months ago

I might be able to tolerate it if it were factually correct. But the Chiefs. Now that's just plain dumb.

Bob Forer 9 years, 9 months ago

It's not an essay test. All they have to do is fill in the blank correctly.

Jim Roth 9 years, 9 months ago

Exactly. Inaccuracy bothers me more than the perceived unpatriotic aspect.

Kevin Kelly 9 years, 9 months ago

Never understood this chant and I graduated in 99. It dosn't insult me as an American. It insults me as a fan of football. The Chiefs stink. They can keep thier stink off my team if they know what's good for them.

Home of the Chiefs? Hell even Arrowhead isn't home of the Chiefs with the number of times they get pwned in it year in and year out.

Step 1 - Win something someday somehow Step 2 - Chant about team outside of context of said teams game

If you are doing step 2 wihtout step 1....you are a moron.

Craig Lang 9 years, 9 months ago

I realize I am in the minority here, but to me it just does not seem to be that big of a deal.

Technically, the altered lyrics are true. The United States is the home of the Chiefs (and every other NFL team, for that matter). I don't think anyone is disrespecting our country by acknowledging his or her love for a purely American sport (it is called "American football" in every other country). One point of the national anthem is to bring to mind things about our country that we love. Obviously the people chanting those words are celebrating two American traditions: American football and free speech.

I don't chant it myself, but I don't feel any less respect for my country when I hear it.

Matt Gauntt 9 years, 9 months ago

With that logic, why not sing "home of the Patriots", or "Home of the Saints" or "Home of the Braves" or "Home of the Yankees" or "Home of the 76'ers", etc., etc., etc.

Your argument is a reach and you know it.

Joe Joseph 9 years, 9 months ago

I think all he is saying that it doesn't matter what people say at the end of the national anthem. It's their right to say it, after all. It's your right to get upset about it. But it's not your right to tell someone they can't do it.

Kendall Simmons 9 years, 9 months ago

I agree, Michael. It's such a minor, petty thing to get worked up over. It does NOT affect anyone unless they allow it to affect them. And that's their problem, not anyone else's.

Frankly, it does NOT "make us look bad", since it's a minor thing done all over the country about all sorts of sports teams...with most people not even knowing it's happening.

And worrying about what we think other people are thinking about us??? What an incredible waste of time. Who cares? Why care? Actually, it seems pretty self-centered to me...assuming that all those other people are focusing their attention on self-important us.

Matt Gauntt 9 years, 9 months ago

stupidmichael - it affects the rest of us Jayhawks when a bunch of doofuses make us look like hicks. Impacts that "it's their right to say it"

Chris Bailey 9 years, 9 months ago

Yeah I'm tired of this free speech crap. The majority say it's dumb. We are all paying to be in AFH. Why not yell home of the Jayhawks? I'd have much less problem with that! That said the fact that the song is played to honor the freedoms we have been given by men and women who gave their lives so we could argue this point. I think that alone says we honor them and leave the lyrics as they were intended. Land of the FREE and Home of the BRAVE!

KU_Phogified 9 years, 9 months ago

It's AFH and KU, not Arrowhead and the Chefs. Never understood how this thing got life in the first place.

If you are an offender, please stop now. It's embarassing and has no place at a KU game. Furthermore, I am in agreement that it is a travesty and disrespectful in general terms.

CardHawkFan 9 years, 9 months ago

Maybe Bill Self should do a video for the chant like Mangino did for the kickoffs in football...anyone? Of course, that didn't work. Seriously, though, knock it off. The Chiefs, nor anything else in Missouri, should in any way be associated with KU. What's next, are fans going to show up for KU baseball games and shout "Home of the Royals?" It is disrespectful and pointless. Doubt any of this ends it, but at least some people are making the push.

Ben Kane 9 years, 9 months ago

I was unaware this was even happening. I find it very dissapointing. if we were the chiefs that is one thing, but c'mon people, jayhawk basketball games have nothing to do with the chiefs.

Jonathan Allison 9 years, 9 months ago

it was happening in '04 when I started going to Jayhawk games as a sophomore.

Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 9 years, 9 months ago

It's been happening for decades. Just because you can't remember doesn't mean it didn't happen. . .

Bud Stagg 9 years, 9 months ago

Good luck with this. it will be as successful as getting the kids to stop yelling "Rip thier %$#@ing head off" at the football games.

Hank Cross 9 years, 9 months ago

'Rip their fracking heads off' actually makes sense at a FB game.

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 9 months ago

How is that working for the KU FBall Team?

Jayhawk1116 9 years, 9 months ago

Yes! If it wasn't for the Brave there wouldn't be any Chiefs.

Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 9 years, 9 months ago

The Chiefs were named after the Mayor of Kansas City in 1963, his nickname was 'Chief' and he was instrumental in getting the team to come to Kansas City from Texas. It has no linkage to Native Americans.

It is my humble opinion, too, if it did have linkage to Native Americans then that should be taken as a compliment.

If the team was named The Kansas City Jayhawks would that be considered an insult? If the team was the Kansas City Warriars would that be an insult?

We've gotten too PC. Everyone can joke with their friends but in public we've become PCU. It's ridiculous, what happend to free speech? We can all argue with each other on something so silly like the last word of the National Anthem. We threaten each other with violence and call each other idiots.

Yet we're all scared to stand up to people like fred phelps, someone whom I'm sure everyone on this forum would like to teach a thing or two about a beatdown. . . but he has big lawyers so we back down.

Get a clue and quit drinking the koolaide.

Chris Bruning 9 years, 9 months ago

I don't like that CHIEFS yelling either, and i am a big chiefs fan.....Students need to act better during the National Anthem. I remember students making annoying sounds during Eddie Moneys singing vs. Misery two years ago, it was horrible..

Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 9 years, 9 months ago

Eddie looked so faded and haggard from a life of drugs, alcohol and debauchery. It was embarrassing that he was singing.

chadhawk512 9 years, 9 months ago

yes. afh is the best college basketball experience, and they have zero to do with the chiefs. zero. It makes our fans sound dumb and takes away from the experience. Not to mention it direspects the anthem itself. if people want to say it, go to a chiefs game. Pretty sure I haven't heard the rock chalk chant at any nfl games.

justinryman 9 years, 9 months ago

It has nothing to do with where it is said as much as it is disrespectful the the U.S of A and the Star Spangled Banner, the National Anthem.

It's losers that take for granted their freedom of speech and spit on it and disrespect all the men and women who have given their lives for your right to be so wrong.

That's more of the issue than if it's at a Chiefs game or done at AFH.

Ludwig Supraphonic 9 years, 9 months ago

A 5 year old knows whether he's in Sunday School or on the playground, and which one you can run and shout in. If a fan is too drunk or clueless to figure out whether hs's in Allen or at Arrowhead; stay home on the couch. One minute during our national anthem to be a devoted fan of the U.S. seems like a small sacrifice.

Kye Clark 9 years, 9 months ago

Way to flaunt your stupidity:

"arrowhead is the HOME of the CHIEFS whether you like it or not."

Was this ever in question? Nobody cares what you yell at Chiefs games. The debate is whether to stop yelling it at Allen Fieldhouse. Pay attention LOSER.

And no, people who want to keep it "home of the brave" are not necessarily the nerds from high school. We just are trying to respect tradition, both to the anthem and our beloved Jayhawks, and don't need the pathetic stench of the Chiefs anywhere near Allen Fieldhouse.

So as to your solution, no I won't go to any games at Arrowhead. Never have before, never plan to.

rockchalk_dpu 9 years, 9 months ago

What point are you trying to make here superswagg? I have been to Chief games, and I don't like it there either. I understand that certain places, like at Chicago Blackhawks games the fans cheer loudly during the entire anthem, and that has been accepted as a tradition. I have no problem with being proud of the country we live in or what the anthem stands for, the problem I have, is that as many posters have pointed out, we are the University of Kansas and not the Chiefs and replacing "home of the brave" with "home of the Chefs" is just plain stupid. The students need to realize that there is no place for this garbage and no reason to include this in the National Anthem.

The personal shots you took at people who oppose your point of view are completely out of place as well. While you are entitled to your opinions because of those brave individuals that are referenced in the anthem, I feel like you miss the point of Self's comments and the general sentiment of the posters on this site and twitter by saying we are 'nerds from high school who got a doctors' excuse' to avoid taking PE. I also would like to point out that I don't think any of us "losers" want to remove the Rock Chalk Chant because it does not interfere with or make light of the National Anthem like "home of the Chefs" does. I'm glad you have an opinion on the matter and the ability to voice that opinion, but I feel that your anger and disjointed comment really detracts from the point you were trying to make. That being said, I still completely disagree with you and think that the Chefs comment needs to get as far away from AFH and Memorial Stadium as possible.

RCJGKU

Bob Forer 9 years, 9 months ago

Amen, brother Jayhawk and fellow American. .

Chris Bailey 9 years, 9 months ago

+1 rockchalk_dpu

Why don't we yell home of the Jayhawks? I don't think that would offend nearly as many people. I believe it should be left as home of the brave but I wouldn't stand on a soap box yelling if it were home of the JAYHAWKS! For AFH is and will forever be HOME OF THE JAYHAWKS! F@$# the Chiefs!

Sam Constance 9 years, 9 months ago

YEAH!

And the SKY is BLUE!

Plus, WATER IS WET!

Steve Hillyer 9 years, 9 months ago

Keep home of the Chiefs out of the Phog...as well as the Cameros and pick-ups, they all belong at Arrowhead(or Bramlage) , not AFH

Rustycleats 9 years, 9 months ago

We should not yelling Chiefs, We should yelling "JAYHAWKS"

rockchalk_dpu 9 years, 9 months ago

why not just be quiet and respectful during the anthem? why do we have to yell anything at all? this isn't about substituting one mascot or another, it's about being respectful of the country and anthem, something the students and other idiots that do it have forgotten in an attempt to be "cool".

Chris Bailey 9 years, 9 months ago

I agree. My only point with yelling Jayhawks is it would at least make sense. Yelling chiefs is stupid! We should just sit there and let it play out and be respectful for the song.

master16 9 years, 9 months ago

aside from the fact that it's disrepectful to alter the national anthem... why would you say home of the chiefs in Allen Field House? that makes no sense to me.

Ben Kane 9 years, 9 months ago

coach self asking for something is a lot diffferent than mangino asking...

I'm betting that if Self wants the students to stop this he will get his wish.

d_park 9 years, 9 months ago

Something this article didn't take into consideration.....Romeo Crennel is now the head coach of the Chiefs. He was not the head coach last year. Although, he has been a head coach before. Did anyone ever stop and consider that?

Brett Gaul 9 years, 9 months ago

Finally...this has bothered me as long as I can remember.

Terry Sexton 9 years, 9 months ago

Well, you can say you will punch, just like you can say 'Chiefs' but, if you do either one, you're an idiot.

Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 9 years, 9 months ago

Yes. I agree. If you disagree with American principles of free speech, or rather disagree with the message someone is sending with their free speech rights then you should "punch them in the face".

That is what 'merica is all about.

Democrats are taking away my guns, raising taxes and closing the internet down.

Quit drinking the koolaide.

Stan Unruh 9 years, 9 months ago

The more attention this is given and the more some students are asked not to do it....the more it will continue. These are kids.... and they do stupid things.

Brak 9 years, 9 months ago

Yea, I was wondering about that and I will definately be curious how it plays out, I have a feeling all the attention will either squash it completely or they will get louder just to piss everyone off.

Clarence Haynes 9 years, 9 months ago

Regardless, this is America's national anthem, not the Chiefs and not the Jayhawks! Changing the words is desecration!

KUbsee69 9 years, 9 months ago

I have an idea. Give about 20 U.S. Marines tickets to the student section and let them teach the anthem abusers some manners.

Chris Bruning 9 years, 9 months ago

probably need more than 20. You make the marines sound like a bodybuilder group.

Chris Bailey 9 years, 9 months ago

+1 they're in the student section for a reason!

Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 9 years, 9 months ago

at the Drederick Tatem fight. . . "due to popular demand we will forgo the National Anthem"

The Simpsons

Ben Kane 9 years, 9 months ago

as a former service member i don't have a problem with it either, as long as it makes sense. many teams' fans do this on the last word. my problem is 'chiefs' has nothing to do with the jayhawks.

Kevin Kelly 9 years, 9 months ago

I live in Omaha. I've been to a couple of Creighton Basketball games (private school in downtown Omaha). Almost every single one of those fans is a Nebraska Football fan. A few out-state students aside they all grew up cheering for the Huskers.

And yet no one has to explain to them that 'Go Big Red' is not an acceptable chant during a Creighton game.

Do you hear 'lets go Yankees' at a Knicks game? No...you don't. Even though they have the same fan bases. I could care less about respecting the traditions of the anthem which are dumb in the first place (stand respectfully in the stadium....but continue to drink and carry on if you are juuuuust inside the concorse) I just think it looks and sounds stupid.

Hearing the 'CHIEFS!' chant in Lawrence is just dumb. Being all proud of a team that is beyond bad during a game they aren't even playing makes as much sense as nameing Bramblige the Octogon of Doom. A lot of that nonsense is also hanging on a 'technicality' (hey....it IS an octogon) too.

daves1243 9 years, 9 months ago

Don't forget the part about "land of the free". They should be able to yell whatever they want as long as they're not harming anyone else.

I think the more significant facet of this poll is that 1800+ people were interested enough to vote as of 130pm. I wonder how many of them will vote in the election in the fall?

Chris Bailey 9 years, 9 months ago

Can promise you I will be voting. I voted for McCain thanks for asking. I can promise 1-20-13 will be a day I celebrate getting rid of the worst president in the history of this country. He did 1 good thing and he simply said sure good ahead and that is kill bin laden. Thanks for asking. My dollars were earned for me and my family and not to be given to lazy entiltlement programs that are the downfall of our great society!

coolhand357 9 years, 9 months ago

Thanks for getting up on the soapbox with your opinion. Everyone is entitled. Now, would you please shut your political yapper? It was a hypothetical question.

actorman 9 years, 9 months ago

You mean McCain, the veteran who voted against every single bill that ever increased veterans' benefits??? It's a perfect example of why people are so upset about the "disrespect" shown by changing a word in the National Anthem: symbolism over substance.

The thought of McCain being president (not to mention Sarah Palin as vice president -- one shudders at even imagining it) is too horrrible to even begin to contemplate.

But congratulations, rxdoc, you've bought the right-wing spin machine hook, line and sinker. You are the Koch Brothers' best friend.

thepianoman 9 years, 9 months ago

As an usher at these games, I CRINGE every single time I hear the crowd say this. I want to scream at the top of my lungs -- "What in the hell is wrong with you people? Have you no respect for our country, this anthem?????"

How dare these fans disrespect the national anthem the way they do. This truly angers me.

As an usher, the minute that flag is marched onto the court, I honor it by putting my hand over my heart and giving my full attention to it and the individual singing.

These fans should be so, so ashamed. Frankly, I think someone with clout (such as Coach Self) should address the issue on the video board about proper etique. Kind of sad this would have to be done in the first place.

Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 9 years, 9 months ago

Yes. Bill Self should tell people what to say. I'm sure he'd be very comfortable with that. (Sarcasm)

I have clout in my world. . .if you're the little Buddha belly usher with the biggest natural frown I've ever seen then thank you because my pictures of you are hilarious.

Also, quit saying things I disagree with because it "makes me cringe".

MDHawk 9 years, 9 months ago

No one can deny you your freedom of speech. As such, if anybody wants to keep yelling "home of the Chiefs", they can do so at will. However, I see it as a sign of one of two things: either you have no one in your family who has any freaking idea what it means to serve our country, or you do and yet have no respect for the sacrifices they have made, which, consequently, grant you the right to holler whatever you want during the anthem.

I myself am not military, but many in my family and many of my friends have been. Three of them gave their lives. Much like the folks who exercise their right to say what they will, I exercise my right to be disgusted with those who yell "home of the Chiefs". Half of that is how I was raised, the other half is my devotion to the everything KU. When you think about saying that, dig down and have some respect for the anthem...and then look around and remember where you are...the home of the Jayhawks.

Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 9 years, 9 months ago

  1. I've never served but of course I love our women and men that do.
  2. I do care greatly about the sacrifices our military personnel have made, these people are tremendous and brave. They are living heroes.
  3. I'm sorry for your loss but one word in a song doesn't have that much connection.

Quit drinking the koolaide.

jcw3691 9 years, 9 months ago

We speak American, cuz you're in America.

readit 9 years, 9 months ago

I was shocked when we moved back, started attending games and heard "home of the Chiefs" yelled at the end of the anthem. As a military wife for over 20 years whose family has sacrificed much to support the military and our nation, I can't believe the low-class some people have. It's a slap in the face to us, and I take it personally.

KUbsee69 9 years, 9 months ago

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redlegger 9 years, 9 months ago

+1e6

Freedom is not free, a very high price has been, and continues to be paid for us to have our freedom.

Freedom is fragile - it can disappear in the blink of an eye. I recommend honoring your freedom, cherishing it, and taking time to respect those who have given much for us to enjoy it.

Chris Bailey 9 years, 9 months ago

Did you seriously just call out a military wife? I'm quite sure you owe her an appology! I'm quite sure I could shove my size 13 up your arse without that appology! What a55 clown comment! Comments like that are the downfall of our society! Disrepectful garbage! Makes me sick!

Thank you for you and your families sacrifice readit! It is classless comments like this that make KU fans look like arrogant Jacka55es!

readit 9 years, 9 months ago

I didn't say they shoudn't be allowed to do it, as my husband DID defend our citizens' right to free speech. Just that I think it's extremely low-class and makes KU sound like a bunch of rednecks. And that's my free speech.

Bville Hawk 9 years, 9 months ago

How is what readit posted in any way fascist? You're way out of line here and owe readit an apology IMHO.

missmagoo 9 years, 9 months ago

I would like to hear from one of the 220 people (and counting) who've voted "No" please..

Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 9 years, 9 months ago

I voted No because I think people should be able to sing anything they want. It's a free country. Chiefs at Chopper! Go Hawks!

ltljim64 9 years, 9 months ago

Wonder if you posted this in conjunction with a KC Chiefs article, how the numbers would be. (yea, I HATE it anywhere!)

wlbjayhawk 9 years, 9 months ago

It is both out of place and disrespectful. As a veteran, I am of the opinion that those that do not sing the national anthem correctly, are disrespecting all of the veterans that are in Allen Fieldhouse to watch the game. If you cannot sing the national anthem the way Francis Scott Key wrote it, then be silent, or stay home.

Jeff Soisson 9 years, 9 months ago

I am embarrassed to be a Jayhawk to hear that the students do this. Respect your team, respect your country, and represent your university (in the best way).

Students, please don't do this anymore, it makes us look classless.

Phoghorn 9 years, 9 months ago

This thread is not about yelling "chiefs" at a cotton-picking Chiefs game atArrowhead! It is about yelling it at AFH!

coolhand357 9 years, 9 months ago

superswagg56 - you are an embarrassment .

Al Salazar 9 years, 9 months ago

Hahahaha! It's polls and topics on "Home of the Chiefs" that bring all the closet Denver Donkey fans out into the light.

The poll is "Should KU fans stop shouting "home of the Chiefs" after the national anthem?"

Yes, No or I don't know. Not a chance for you loser donkey fans to insert your chef, camarohead remarks and feign utter embarrassment and make comparisons to treason, walking on dead patriots, burning the flag etc.,

Lonely being a donkey fan..

Jay_lo 9 years, 9 months ago

The question is, "Should KU fans stop shouting 'home of the Chiefs' after the National Anthem?"

I don't give a rat's hindquarters what they shout "after" the National Anthem. But during the National Anthem they should either show quiet respect, or sing along without changing the words.

It's not about personal freedom, it's about respect for the country that you call home.

They are not changing the words to just a song, they are changing the words to the National Anthem. Jimi Hendrix had more respect for it than they do.

If the fans in all these stadiums think they need a special song to show their "love" for their team, then come up with one that does just that, don't mess with something that means so much to so many as the National Anthem. I'll bet if they did and a bunch of idiots thought it was funny to change the words, they would get pissed.

And home of the Chiefs at a KU game, doesn't even make sense.

jcw3691 9 years, 9 months ago

In all honesty, it is hard to find pride in being an American anymore. The President/Government is destroying this country, and soon, Spanish will be our primary language. So, give it a rest people. Who cares? Go Chiefs, Go KU, Go America. In that order.

milwaukeeJAYHAWK 9 years, 9 months ago

Lol..... the President is "destroying" this country? Seems you don't know your history. We've been in worse times....i.e....Great Depression, WWII.

Buck up and quit whining.

And rock chalk.

Katie Bieber 9 years, 9 months ago

If I ask nicely, could you, please, cram a little more prejudice into that comment?

Alex Berger 9 years, 9 months ago

Yeah, I think you could fit women's rights in that comment too.

milwaukeeJAYHAWK 9 years, 9 months ago

What an embarrassment. I don't remember students doing it when I was at KU 10 years ago.

KU has a greater historical legacy than the Chiefs. Don't sully AFH with mentions of the Chiefs you morons. I like the Chiefs and all too, but treat them as a separate universe than my Jayhawks, which I have wayyyy much more love for.

Maracas 9 years, 9 months ago

Shouting "Home of the Chiefs" at AFH or Memorial is nothing less than Whiskey Tango.

johninkc1 9 years, 9 months ago

I am proud of HCBS for showing some leadership on this issue. It is disrespectful to our servicemen and women every time the lyrics to the National Anthem is performed and the incorrect words are sung. I think the students and fans would want to follow the wishes of our coach and sing it correctly or not at all. It bothers me that the fans in Arrowhead are so disrespectful to our country but we are Jayhawks not tigers from misery and should know better! I too would put my money on the 20 Marines to teach the ignorant fans a lesson. Perhaps the Marines could meet them outside AFH before a game and share what it means to serve your country and pay the ultimate sacrifice or a limb so that the ignorant among us has the right to sing it incorrectly but perhaps a better informed fan would choose not to.

Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 9 years, 9 months ago

"right to sing it incorrectly"

and if they don't sing correctly you propose that 20 Marines beat them up. Yes, American ideals of free speech. . .I'll just threaten them until they do what I want.

Jeremy LeMaster 9 years, 9 months ago

Not the home of the Cheifs.... However.....

More importantly for Jayhawk fans is that the Cheifs, although close to Lawrence are in fact a Missouri pro football team. Arrowhead is located in Kansas City, MO... For all the great Muck Fizzou shirts and "Columbia, MO, protecting Lawrence from ugly chicks since... I cannot believe that any portion of our fans chant for the tribals from Mizzery!

tjg1 9 years, 9 months ago

As a lifetime KU and Chiefs Fan, I have no problem with saying it at Chief's game. To say I am unpatriotic is a farce. All one has to do is go to a chiefs game to realize just how patriotic the fans are (fly-bys, salutes to service members every game, american flag stretching the entire field) It is our tradition. However, it certainly doesn't have any place at Allen Fieldhouse. It just isn't a chiefs game.

hailtoku 9 years, 9 months ago

I brought my brother to game from Georgia. He had never been to a game before and asked me what the student were saying. I said "theyre saying 'home of the cheifs'".... He asked me "like...the professional football team...in Missouri?".

The chant makes no sense and for a crowd that is so wonderful I think we can come up with something better....as in "home of the jayhawks".

Thomas Matlock 9 years, 9 months ago

Definitly disrespectful! Besides, the Chiefs are in Missouri, so it doesn't make sense at any level. Did the Antlers create it? lol

Al Salazar 9 years, 9 months ago

I believe the Antlers are Rams fans, something about proximity don't you know. I bet if Tebow created it you wouldn't have a problem.

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 9 months ago

Well, I got here late, so I'm sure somebody has already said this word for word.

It's of utmost importance to keep all songs and lyrics exactly as they were written, unless your name is Weird Al.

Let this swirl around in your brain awhile: Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus team up for a new rendition of Led Zeppelin's rock anthem " Stairway to Heaven" Justin sings lead, Miley provides the "Wooooo's".

There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold - Wooooo And she's buying the stairway to heaven. - Wooooo When she gets there she knows, if the stores are all closed - Wooooo With a word she can get what she came for. - Wooooo Ooh, ooh, and she's buying the stairway to heaven. - Wooooo

(5 more verses - you get the idea........) Last verse:

And as we wind on down the road - Wooooo Our shadows taller than our soul. - Wooooo There walks a lady we all know - Wooooo Who shines white light and wants to show - Wooooo How everything still turns to gold. - Wooooo And if you listen very hard - Wooooo The tune will come to you at last. - Wooooo When all are one and one is all - Wooooo To be a rock and not to roll. - Wooooo

And she's buying the stairway to DILLARDS!! WOOOOOOO

Pitthawk34 9 years, 9 months ago

Look I love the chiefs but I dont think KU basketball needs to be affiliated with the low standards that the chiefs have shown for the last 2 decades.

55jayhawk 9 years, 9 months ago

The majority have spoken and you folks who think "Hail to the Chief" or whatever is right, time to shut your mouth and sing our song the way it was written. I have worn the Marine corps uniform and tried to protect your sorry ignorant asses before you were ever born. I have also worn the KU Uniform! Don't embarrass our school and those who fought for our rights that our ancestors gave the to you. But if I see you at Memorial stadium or Allen Fieldhouse chanting your song, you had better look out because this is one alumni and Marine that will kick your sorry ass and enjoy going to the Douglas County Jail for doing so. Sorry to be so blunt but I am tired of this kind of thing going on at our School and our nation.

Brak 9 years, 9 months ago

Don't worry 55, I'll pick up your bail. Thanks for your service!

Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 9 years, 9 months ago

Just because you were i n he Marines doesn't mean you get more of a say then others. . .especially when you refer to every non-military person as "ignorant asses". Marines like you give ammo to other military departments, they say that marines are "ignorant asses".

You also threatened with violence anyone who says "Chiefs" at the end of the national anthem. I'm sure that illuminates everything you feel about free speech. HOO RA!

johninkc1 9 years, 9 months ago

55jayhawk. I salute your service and your opinion. It just goes to show how far we have fallen as a nation when anyone would sing our National Anthem with the home of the Chiefs or any other team name. For those that think this refers to Native American Indians, I suggest they Google the origin of the Chiefs NFL team. It has nothing to do with braves or chiefs.

stm62 9 years, 9 months ago

I think this country and the whole world are in for a heavy dose of trouble that will change many peoples value systems. Not necessarily a bad thing.

Ben Kliewer 9 years, 9 months ago

I haven't researched it lately, but I'm fairly certain that Jayhawks are not Chiefs. I'm willing to admit, as I am with anything I say in these posts, I could be wrong. But I feel pretty confident on this one.

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 9 months ago

Kleave,

I'm gonna go ahead and agree with you on this one.

They don't even play like Chiefs here. They did play like the Chiefs against Davidson, but that was in the Sprint Center in that state that begins with "M".

Maybe that's where the confusion began. Is it ok to say "home of the Chiefs" if you play as poorly as the Chiefs and you're in the "M" state?

I'm so confused.

Joey Meyer 9 years, 9 months ago

It is hard to stop students from doing anything without an alternative. Perhaps we should ALL yell 'Brave' at the end, just as the anthem suggests.

Code_2008 9 years, 9 months ago

Can't we just boo the people who do it?

Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 9 years, 9 months ago

Yes, boo right after the National Anthem. People will love that. . .

Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 9 years, 9 months ago

Never!!!! Chiefs at Chopper! Chiefs at Chopper! If your offended then quit being offended and start being awesome

bg_duck1 9 years, 9 months ago

aarowhead is the home of the...RRRRRAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIDDDDDDDDDDAAAAAHHHHHSSSSSS!!!!!!! - Al Davis

SWJayhawk13 9 years, 9 months ago

I wish "hell yes" was an option instead of just "yes"

David Reynolds 9 years, 9 months ago

The no's & don't know's show how far we have come in disrespecting the very country that grants them the freedom of speech. It is a shame our educated youth do not grasp the concept.

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 9 months ago

citizen1 - in all seriousness - you said that about as well as it could possibly be said. Hats off to you.

streetspirit 9 years, 9 months ago

I see a lot of preaching to the choir here. What I want to know is how many people here who used to do this are actually going to stop because Self or the message boards said so? Anybody?

David Wanamaker 9 years, 9 months ago

Students who yell "Chiefs!" at the end of the National Anthem make themselves look like morons. Allen Fieldhouse has never been, is not now and never will be the home of the Chiefs.

milwaukeeJAYHAWK 9 years, 9 months ago

I think our national anthem is pretty lame as far as anthems go....but yelling Chiefs in the home of the JAYHAWKS makes no sense. It's not a matter of disrespect to the flag or whatever....it's a matter of disrespect to THE BIRD! We're Jayhawks here, primarily. If you're gonna yell something, yell "home of the....PHOG"

Theodore Thadogweadore 9 years, 9 months ago

Anyone that yells "...Home of the Chiefs " at ANYTIME is a disrespectful P.O.S.

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