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Villanova defeats Kansas, 64-59

  • 7:50 p.m., March 26, 2016
  • KFC Yum! Center, Louisville, KY

Sunday, March 27, 2016

Frustrating finish: Jayhawks baffled by Villanova

Senior Perry Ellis limited to 4 points in finale

Kansas forward Perry Ellis (34) walks off the court as Villanova celebrates a 64-59 win over the Jayhawks Saturday, March 26, 2016 in an NCAA Elite Eight matchup at KFC YUM! Center in Louisville, KY. .

Kansas forward Perry Ellis (34) walks off the court as Villanova celebrates a 64-59 win over the Jayhawks Saturday, March 26, 2016 in an NCAA Elite Eight matchup at KFC YUM! Center in Louisville, KY. .

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— Perry Ellis, the eighth leading scorer and 12th-leading rebounder in Kansas University basketball history, sat dejectedly in front of his KFC Yum! Center locker and, in a clear voice, explained to wave after wave of reporters how he felt after Saturday’s 64-59 NCAA Tournament Elite Eight loss to Villanova.

It was a loss that ended the 6-foot-8 Wichita native’s career as a Jayhawk.

“I mean, it was frustrating,” Ellis said of Villanova keying on him and holding him to a season-low four points off 1-of-5 shooting.

Ells didn’t attempt a three and only went to the line three times, hitting two, as the (33-5) No. 2 seed Wildcats halted (33-5) No. 1-seed KU’s 17-game winning streak.

“But in the second half, we fought and we were up five (45-40 with 10:50 left). I was excited because as a team we were doing a great job,” Ellis added. “We made some plays, but they fought back, got the lead (50-45) and we fell short. It hurts so bad because we couldn’t close out. We were so close.”

Ellis, who had scored 20 or more points in seven of the Jayhawks’ last eight games, explained the problems Villanova posed in his getting involved offensively in his 34-minute stint.

“They did a great job of down-in-the-post fronting, things of that sort,” Ellis said, keeping his composure and shedding no tears. “They did a great job of trying to swarm at me. Someone was always there. They did a good job of denying me the ball. I could have tried to demand the ball more. It was hard to get in the flow. They did a great job, credit to them.”

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KU coach Bill Self, whose squad hit just 40.4 percent of its shots — just six of 22 from three and received absolutely no points off the bench — explained Ellis’ four-point outing, his lowest of the season and lowest overall since scoring four against West Virginia on March 3, 2015.

“Perry never really engaged himself in the game the first half,” Self said. Ellis did not score in 16 minutes, missing two shots as KU lagged, 32-25, at the break.

“They took away the pick-and-pop with him when they played man, because the way they rotated, so he didn’t catch the ball naked at the top like we’ve been scoring quite a bit during the tournament,” Self explained. “They made him make the extra pass and we missed some shots when we were wide open making the extra pass. But I think you should give Villanova credit. I don’t think Perry was as aggressive demanding the ball as he has been at certain times.”

Self said the Jayhawks “bailed out” the Wildcats several times in firing up threes rather than working the offense. He by no means was blaming Ellis for the setback.

“He’s a stud,” Self said. “He got a couple easy looks early and missed them both and probably shied away from being quite as aggressive after that. We’ve ridden Perry pretty hard over the last three years and he’s almost always delivered for us. So it doesn’t take anything away at all. It would have been nice to see our seniors get to a Final Four because we haven’t gone with this group. Certainly in my mind he’s been a stud and one of the all-time greats regardless of the outcome of this game,” Self added.

Of problems feeding Ellis, junior Wayne Selden, Jr. (16 points, 6-14 shooting, 0-6 from three), indicated: “They focused on him. You could tell their game plan was to really bother him. They were doubling down. They were diving hard on him.”

Villanova used a 10-0 run to erase KU’s lead and led, 50-45, at 7:54. KU did cut it to 50-48 on a Graham three at 6:59. A crucial moment came at 0:41.5, when Graham was called for his fifth foul as he dove into the legs of a Wildcat as he lost possession. A foul on ’Nova in that situation, instead of KU, would have sent Graham to the line.

Instead, Frank Mason III fouled Ryan Arcidiacono and he hit two free throws at 0:33.1 to make the score 58-54. Mason hit a three at 0:25.5 to make it 58-57. It was 62-59 at 0:13.3 when Mason declined to fire up a three and instead, while cutting, lost the ball into Nova’s hands. Two free throws at 3.5 second wrapped it up for the (33-5) No. 2 seed Wildcats, who had defeated the 1-seed.

Nova, not KU, will be going to Houston for the Final Four, while Ellis will begin preparing for the NBA Draft, where he’s being called a possible second-round pick.

“He’s one of the greatest to ever wear a Kansas jersey,” Selden said. “He gave it his all. Every practice, every game in his career. He carried himself so well. He gave himself to this place. He committed himself to this place,” Selden added.

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By the Numbers: Villanova 64, Kansas 59

By the Numbers: Villanova 64, Kansas 59

Comments

Mike Riches 3 years, 5 months ago

Sad finish to a great season, and to a great college career for Ellis. Rock Chalk forever.

Steve Zimmerman 3 years, 5 months ago

I didn't even foresee this team to go this far. This team has done nothing but an incredible run to this day. They fell to a very good team, coached by a veteran that has beaten KU in previous meeting. Jay's system and team are a bit better than Self's, that's all. I expected it. Now, it's time to rebuild KU CMB team with a stronger O, not only with stingy D!! Thanks to our seniors and whoever that will decide to go to the next level. I wish them all best of luck!! Rock Chalk!!!!!!

Joe Joseph 3 years, 5 months ago

People are going to give Perry a hard time for this game. And while he deserves the criticism for missing a couple of bunnies (especially the first shot of the game, which set the tone for the rest of Perry's performance...), Mason and Selden deserve just as much criticism for going a combined 1-12 from beyond the arc. Wright gambled against the fifth best 3-point shooting team in the nation by deciding to crowd the paint and prevent touches from Perry on the block. That left KU with open three point shots that it missed. Wright would have looked the fool if KU shot just average from three. Alas, Kansas did not.

Jared Reeves 3 years, 5 months ago

Perry doesn't deserve a hard time for missing a couple shots. He deserves a hard time for playing scared, turning the ball over constantly, and not passing out of double teams.

Suzi Marshall 3 years, 5 months ago

Self was right that it came down to making FTs. Nova was 18-19 and although we were 7-11 with two of the misses front ends of one & ones. We also were lacadasical going for those 50/50 balls. Those were two problems this team has always had and end the end bit us in the behind.

We got some really really bad calls in critical situations. The guys played their hearts out and gave everything.

WUG - Gold Medal

Maui Classic - Champion

Big 12 Conference - Champion

Big 12 Tournament - Champion

Next year.

Joe Joseph 3 years, 5 months ago

I don't know about lackadaisical. 'Nova played hero ball on many possessions and got bailed out with some lucky bounces off the rim. It sure seems like that is a common trend when KU loses in the tournament. Some times the ball just really does bounce the other team's way.

Hard to complain about 7-11. It's not great, but you're right. A couple of those misses were on front ends.

In reality, however, this game was lost behind the three-point line. An average performance wins this game for KU. Hell, a slightly-less-than-average performance from trey wins this game for KU.

JD Roth 3 years, 5 months ago

Actually one of the front end misses turned into a three pointer so scratch 7-11. Give Villanova credit but there were several interesting calls.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 5 months ago

If you want to win conference championships and BIG 12 tournaments than HCBS has proven he is extremely successful at doing just that.

BUT NCAA championships? Not so much. I think Self is a great coach but why didn't he put Vick in the game at some point last night? He certainly couldn't have done worse than Mason or Selden.

I didn't see any real change from the first half to the second except for a short term attempt to get the ball down low to Ellis. I'm personally hoping for Selden to take his game to the NBA. Maybe Diallo or Vick - if they are still around - will get a chance to prove what they can do.

I would not be surprised to see Diallo leave for the NBA and Vick play for another team.

James Smith 3 years, 5 months ago

Hey Marius does this mean that you are finally agreeing with me? Do you owe me an apology?

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 5 months ago

Why would I owe you an apology? Did I ever show you a lack of respect? Did I take cheap shots at you? If I did, then I apologize but picking the field over any one team isn't exactly a 'I told you so' moment.

You became pretty scarce the last several weeks but you return to rub Kansas losing in our face? Pretty lame, esp. from someone who calls himself a Jayhawk fan. Did seeing KU lose actually make you happy?

I think you got a lot more class than that...

Michael Haughey 3 years, 5 months ago

A good year. The conference championships are great, as was the Big 12 tournament. In the last 20 years, Kansas is behind only Michigan State, UConn, Duke, UNC and UK for Final 4 appearances. KU is really in the next bracket with the Louisvilles, Ohio States, Arizonas, Syracuse, etc. I'm pretty sure no other program has failed to make the Final 4 so consistently with a top 3 seeding and multiple McDonald's All Americans on the roster. Sure Calipari and Coach K have their 1st round mishaps (Mercer, Robert Morris, etc.) and even Izzo did this year. Like Self did two years in a row. But as long as we have Self, we can expect an occasional Final Four Appearance if we catch lightning in a bottle. Lucky for Mario's Miracle and UNC's point guard being injured in 2012 (Kendall Marshall?) or we'd be bereft of any real tournament success under Self, given the allegedly loaded rosters. So yeah, pretty good year, I'm happy.

So maybe we get Josh Jackson next year. Won't matter much. Probably win another Big 12 championship. Point guards are good, not great. Some good bigs up front, not great. Good coach except for the champions classic when UK or Duke or MSU routinely hand KU's rears to them or in the NCAA. Selden doesn't need to come back for us to have as good a season, way too inconsistent. I know I fall into the chicken little category, but I could name multiple coaches that I'd rather have than Self. Given KU's history, fanbase and facilities, he seems to recruit subpar in the last few years compared to UK and Duke and now MSU. But I'll enjoy watching the 13th Big 12 crown, and a Sweet 16.

RJ King 3 years, 5 months ago

Who are the multiple coaches that you'd rather have than Self?

Joe Joseph 3 years, 5 months ago

Unless you're Nostradamus there's no way of knowing what would have happened if UNC had been at full strength in 2012.

That's a pretty bush league criticism of Self and KU.

Michael Haughey 3 years, 5 months ago

Genius, Nostradamus is noted for allegedly predicting the future, not a reasonable assumption that the top point guard in the nation would've likely altered the outcome of a closely contested game.

Bush league? I guess if you dismiss the myriad of tournament losses in early rounds. But if it makes you feel better....

Michael Sillman 3 years, 5 months ago

Hindsight is 20-20 but I don't understand why they didn't bring Ellis outside and let him shoot 3 pointers. He could not have done worse than Selden's 0 for 6 including some air balls.

I've also never thought much of that handoff at the top of the key. It allows one defender to cover two guys and as we saw if that defender can blow up the play it is an easy breakaway basket.

Joe Joseph 3 years, 5 months ago

Villanova's coaching staff scouted that handoff very well.

The real frustrating thing was 'Nova's guards were rewarded by the officials for being aggressive on the perimeter, while KU's guards were penalized.

Jared Reeves 3 years, 5 months ago

Another year, another underachieving NCAA Tournament under Self. Ellis played like a coward in his last game.

In the last eight years, the Jayhawks have been a No. 1, No. 2, No. 2, No. 1, No. 2, No. 1, No. 1 and No. 3 seed in the NCAA tournament. And they turned those great regular season résumés into only one Final Four run.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 5 months ago

"Ellis played like a coward"? Pretty strong language there, Mr. Internet Tough-Guy.

Jared Reeves 3 years, 5 months ago

I call it like I see it. You don't need to be tough to see that Ellis played scared.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 5 months ago

And how do you see it? With you head up your @$$? I saw a guy who was being double-and-triple-teamed all night and whose teammates weren't getting him the ball. That's not playing scared; that's having a really bad game.

Jared Reeves 3 years, 5 months ago

I see a player who got as many turnovers as points, and doesn't know how to pass out of double teams. I see a player that only got 5 rebounds against a much smaller team. Ellis played soft.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 5 months ago

Really? Another self proclaimed Jayhawk fan who is happy that Kansas lost.

Steve Macy 3 years, 5 months ago

The moment was too big for KU, and for their coaches, it hurts me to say that. Thinking back to when they were 5 and 3 in the conference though, who would have thought they would get this far. "the chicken littles" as the boy who cries wolf calls them, were out in force. Villanova's defense, KU could not solve it, coaches or players to blame? Maybe and probably both. Now the waiting game, who will leave and who stays, which recruits will sign after the dust settles. I fully expect Cheick Diallo to leave, maybe with Coach Self's encouragement. Raw talent, without almost any basketball IQ. Wayne Selden? He is a wildcard. If he leaves, will that entice Josh Jackson. Svi? No idea. Bragg, I think he stays, he needs Hudy more than most. RCJH, it has been a fun ride, that ended too soon. The great thing about sports, there is always next year.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 5 months ago

Ask any Cubs fan how much that helps after another flameout.

Barry Weiss 3 years, 5 months ago

I'm a conference championship homer, so it was another great year. When we were up 5, I thought we had this one.

For next year, we are in GREAT shape at guard. After that…we need Diallo to come back. He can raise his stock so, so much I can't see an advisor telling him to go. Same with Svi. Same with Bragg. So that group, plus a couple of legit recruits and we are back in the hunt. With Diallo, we have a rim protector and he does have a legit jumper. Such a shame he did not get to play all of those early games. Our problem in this game was we could not stop 23, just too much for Lucas.

bummer

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 5 months ago

I thought so too Barry - which makes it even harder. Next Year?? I couldn't give a rat's ass for next year.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 5 months ago

I've seen a lot of Tweets from my fellow KU fans complaining about the officiating costing us the game. That's idiotic. We didn't lose this game because of the refs. I'm going to give you six reasons why we lost, and as you'll notice, the refs aren't on this list:

(1) We lost because we were careless with the ball. I lost count of how many times we coughed it up when Villanova went on that 13-0 run in the first half. And the turnovers we had in the second half came at critical times. Take away the turnovers, and perhaps we have the lead at the half and go on to win.

(2) We lost because Perry Ellis scored only four points in his worst game ever as a Jayhawk. The Wildcat defense swarmed him all game long. His teammates hardly got him the ball in the second half.

(3) We lost because Wayne Selden tried to do too much at the expense of the team. He scored 16 points but was 0/5 from three. A lot of his threes were ill-advised and early in the shotclock. Which leads to my next point...

(4) We lost because, aside from Devonte Graham and a late three from Frank Mason, no one hit any threes for Kansas. A bad night from three-point territory is usually a key ingredient in a Kansas loss in the Tournament.

(5) We lost because we got nothing from our bench. The subs who came in scored zero points. But then again, the bench can't contribute if Coach Self doesn't make hardly any substitutions. Why not make use of our depth when our starters aren't doing a good job?

(6) The most important reason we lost is because Villanova had the better gameplan, especially on defense. Aside from when we lost at West Virginia earlier in the year, that might have been the best defense I've seen from a KU opponent all year long.

Barry Weiss 3 years, 5 months ago

and despite all that, it was still a 2 point game with a minute left. It could have gone either way.

John Kelley 3 years, 5 months ago

. Underachievement in March Madness again.

John Kelley 3 years, 5 months ago

Kansas' loss to Villanova was Bill Self's ninth NCAA tournament loss as the higher seed, tied with Mike Krzyzewski for the most since 2004, Self's first season with KU.

Mike Barnhart 3 years, 5 months ago

Back in the day, Dean Smith constantly lost to higher seeds. Even Izzo flamed out early this year... what a bunch of clowns!

JD Roth 3 years, 5 months ago

This one isn't on Self. KU was outplayed period, end of story.

James Smith 3 years, 5 months ago

JD it is on Self! He overplayed his team and guards leading into the tournament and they played tired. They had no legs at the free throw line and why they missed and missed badly. Self got out coached and is terrible at in game situations. We have been highly seeded almost every one of his years and underperformed.

Dick Murdock 3 years, 5 months ago

Last I checked, the coach didn't throw any air balls, didn't turn the ball over repeatedly and never missed a free throw. There is no blame to pass on here, only a bunch of kids who were already playing above their ceiling. This was the best coaching job Self has done since he's been here. Period.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 5 months ago

Self did a great job this year for the most part, but this was not his best coaching job. That was 2012.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 5 months ago

Self doesn't get a free pass here or any others associated with the team. Self should have played Vick, a taller more talented player than Mason ever will be.

It's too bad that Vick and Diallo were never in HCBS's vision for this team. We couldn't get the ball inside to Ellis all night while Diallo watched from the pine.

John Gill 3 years, 5 months ago

Nova's points off turnovers was the key difference in the game followed by their ability to defend aggressively without putting us on the foul line. They out scored us by 11 points at the FT line - that is usually an indicator of which team was more aggressive and playing with more effort. Their game plan was a gamble but worked because they executed it with great energy.

Roger Gilbertson 3 years, 5 months ago

There are how many teams that play basketball? 68 make the NCAA Tournament. There can only be 1 champion a year. This isn't X-Box or PlayStation where you can reset and have your team win every year.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 5 months ago

Nor is it the 1960s-1970s when UCLA wins every year.

Brian Wilson 3 years, 5 months ago

And it was legal for them to play the players a lot of money. And at that time, UCLA was the only school paying out that kind of money. They bought every Championship they won.

Mick Allen 3 years, 5 months ago

Sam Gilbert was the deep pocket, but Wooden maintained his squeaky clean rep.

RJ King 3 years, 5 months ago

Not to mention how hard it is to win 18 in a row. Even the Warriors streak had to end.

Lance Hobson 3 years, 5 months ago

A few points that show how close we were to winning. 1. I'm not a ref complainer but Ellis was fouled hard during that 10-0 run in the second half. Nova got a 3 on the other end, a five point swing. 2. Seldon had a 3 roll around and out during that run. 3. Lucas really blew it by fouling a 3-point shooter on that run. What was he doing out there? 4. Obviously everything about the first half meltdown. 5. Self needed a TO earlier in the second half run.

Tough loss. Elite 8 just isn't our thing.

Bill Corrigan 3 years, 5 months ago

A rare off-night ended KU's basketball season prematurely, but memories remain of a spectacularly successful campaign: • 17 consecutive victories beginning on January 30 • Twelfth consecutive Big 12 regular season championship • Big 12 tournament championship • Ranked #1 in the nation in final AP & USA Today polls • Seeded #1 overall in NCAA championship tournament • Reached the Elite Eight bracket of the NCAA championship tournament

It's been quite a ride and the future looks bright! Thanks Jayhawks.

Timothy Rake 3 years, 5 months ago

Bryce, you nailed it: 1 through 6. Wright took a chance on keeping Ellis out of the game, and won. As Self has often said, those 3-pointers can be "fool's gold" and with Greene on the bench and Svi a non-factor, we paid for Nova collapsing and Selden and Mason throwing up bricks. Nothing to be disappointed in - except that Nova "out-wanted" this one all the way with outstanding "D" and that Perry bid goodbye with such a miserable last game.

Complain all you want, guys, I'm a Jayhawk forever. As for Self - yes, perhaps he didn't solve Wright's game plan, but a few bounces here and a few bounces there and it's a different game. That's the heartbreak of March. For all the self-whiners (pun intended) let's see the names of all those AVAILABLE coaches out there who would do in 13 years what Self has done with this program? The Roy Williams era doesn't even begin to compete (how many NCs? how many league championships?) even though Roy laid the bricks and mortar on the foundation built by Larry Brown. How long did it take John Wooden to get UCLA to be A PROGRAM? How long did it take Dean Smith to make North Carolina A PROGRAM? For those who encourage KU to play musical chairs with the coaching staff, well, I'd just ask you to consider, how successful have "blue-bloods" such as UCLA or INDIANA (or even UNC after departure of Smith or UK after departure of Pitino or Tubby) been over the last 20 years with that experience? 12 consecutive conference championships? 27 straight tournament appearances? Consistently appearing in the upper echelons of national polls? 95%+ home winning record in front of sell-out crowds? Yeah, that's what I thought you'd say. And who's on your list of replacements?

Every time I hear the complaints about Bill Self, I just sit back and remember – regardless of the great recruits, and the top seeds, and the fearless reputations built over decades and decades – for all their success, even the Dukes and the UK's and the MSU's have fizzled and flamed magnificently in March, too. Hmmmm. By the way, where were Izzo, Calipari and Coach K on Saturday? Watching from the stands or TV, probably wishing the ball had bounced a bit differently in the round of 64 or 32 or 16.

And lastly, when was the last time Bill Self's program was alleged to have players taking mail-in classes? Or attending stripper and sex parties? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Bill Self may decide someday to take his game to the NBA and Kansas may find his replacement. As successful as Bill Self? Let history call that one. We may be lucky enough to find someone to take us to a couple of NC's over 13 years... and then again maybe not. I'm as heartbroken as any other Jayhawk fan when the season comes up short of a national championship. We all ache as Jayhawk nation – if we don't, we don't bleed Crimson and Blue. But like John Wooden in Westwood, Bill Self will leave mighty big boots to fill in Lawrence when HE decides to leave.

Al Martin 3 years, 5 months ago

Excellent post! We are in a prolonged golden age of KU basketball, and it should not be taken for granted. All it takes is one poor personnel move to end it.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 5 months ago

And the more I think about it, the less I trust Dr. Zenger to make that personnel move. After all, he's the one who hired Charlie Weis...

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 5 months ago

Roy never won at KU but he is going for #3 at UNC.

Joseph Leon 3 years, 5 months ago

College coaches generally get better as they age. Roy has solved the tournament better than in his KU years. Bill Self seems to be doing better now than when he started at KU. He'll tear off a run of Final Fours soon.

Ann McCall 3 years, 5 months ago

I never have posted on this web sight but read the comments daily. I have been a Jayhawk fan sense I was 6 which was 67 years ago. What I hate is to hear how people criticize these kids, the coaches, and supporting staff after a lost. Remember these kids are late teens or early 20's and they are living their dream, which was to reach the Final "4". They have giving me (and or us) a wonder journey this 2015 -2016 season. World Champs, Big 12 Champs, Maui Champs, and Big 12 Tournament Champs. Let appreciate the ride and instead of criticize them, give the a pat on the back, "A job well done" Rock Chalk "God Bless this great team, coaches, and supporting staff."

Rae Bricil 3 years, 5 months ago

Ann nice post. I agree with you that the kids should not be criticized; they have put more on the line than any fan can imagine. The coaches are a different story (yes they too have put more on the line than fans) but they should be criticized where appropriate. If you come to Kansas and take $50 Million dollars it is going to come with enormous expectations and harsh criticisms when one fails to meet those expectations. I am not saying I would want a different coach but it also does not mean that Self shouldn’t be called out for his failures as much as he is rewarded for his success. In my opinion, that attitude where people say it is ok we lost we had a good year should not be accepted. KU fans are spoiled but college basketball is big business and our program receives million in donations spends millions on the facilities, coaching and recruiting with the expectations of final fours and NCs.

As Bryce pointed out in another article Self is now 2-6 in Elite 8 games (2-4 at KU) and as Self calls it the toughest game (or something along those lines) in the tournament and his record is a 25% win rate then he deserves criticism. His teams, except 2012, always look so tight in this game. Yes players have to get it done but the only connection between all 8 teams, 6 of which lost, is Self. Everyone watching could see how tight this team was last night—how can Self get them to play carefree like he did in 2012?

That said the future is so bright at KU. This is another step in the right direction—similar to what the 08 team did in 07. I think this loss will stay with next year’s leaders Graham and Mason and hopefully KU will find itself back in the Final Four. Especially since, if KU is a high seed, they will be playing in AFH East here in KC to get to the final four.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 5 months ago

I think the reason Self was able to get the 2012 team to play so loose in the Elite Eight was because everyone expected North Carolina to win. The media was almost unanimous in picking the Tar Heels. So Self was able to get them to play loose because the Elite Eight was as far as that #2 seed KU team was supposed to get.

Laura Hobbs 3 years, 5 months ago

You are so right. This is a great bunch of young men, and I am proud they are Jayhawks. I'm especially proud of Jamari for earning a degree after everything he has fouhght through and to Perry and Landen and all these student athletes.

David Robinett 3 years, 5 months ago

The fact is we overachieved with this collection of players. And we were essentially a one-man team, and Villanova focused and stopped that one man so we lost.

So if anything, Coach Self deserves credit for getting us this far.

Rae Bricil 3 years, 5 months ago

David I respectfully disagree. How did we overachieve with this collection of players? I would take the talent on KU over the talent on Nova any day of the week. Maryland may have been more talented but i dont feel that Nova was more talented. I also, dont think we were a one-man team. The scoring was actually pretty balanced with Perry leading the way. OU is a one-man team KU had a semblance of balance. To say that we over achieved implies that we did not belong there and that is far from the truth. KU was the overall number 1 seed and the odds on favorite to win it. They may have overachieved expectations from the beginning of the season, when they were #5, but even that is a stretch.

Joe Joseph 3 years, 5 months ago

The Bill Self flamers are completely missing the point here.

This game was a coin-toss before tip off. Villanova was the hottest team in the tournament and was actually ranked above Kansas in the most recent kenpom ratings. A coin-toss game that Kansas would most likely have won had someone not named Devonte made one three pointer in the first 35 minutes of the game.

Kansas played exceptional defense against a very good offensive team.

One shot rims out for Nova or one more goes in for Kansas and - instead of everyone claiming how much of a choker HCBS is - everyone is lauding HCBS for the incredible defensive effort and beating a very good team despite having a sub par offensive game.

One shot.

Kristen Downing 3 years, 5 months ago

Both teams shot under 50% for field goals and under their average for threes. This was about free throw shooting, turnovers and not one point from the bench.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 5 months ago

Food for thought:

Going back to 2005 Kansas has landed three #4 seeds

two #3 seeds

two #2 seeds

And an unbelievable SIX #1 seeds 2016, 2013, 2011, 2010. 2008, 2007

And with that, we have reached the Final Four twice and have won the title one time.

Coach Self isn't very good when it comes to the big games. In fact, his record is pretty abysmal. If you're happy with Conference Championships and Conference Tournament then coach Self is your man but if you want to win it all, Self is not likely going to win it all. He probably won't even make the Final Four with the best team in the tournament.

I don't blame in the players as they aren't the common denominator. What links all these tournament flameouts is the head coach.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 5 months ago

If you're going to give Self the blame for another tournament failure, you should also be willing to give him credit for his successes. Self's coaching got us the 2008 national title and the 2012 national finals. I still say 2012 was his best coaching job at Kansas ever.

Jared Reeves 3 years, 5 months ago

In the last eight years, the Jayhawks have been a No. 1, No. 2, No. 2, No. 1, No. 2, No. 1, No. 1 and No. 3 seed in the NCAA tournament. And they turned those great regular season résumés into only one Final Four run.

The numbers speak for themselves.

RJ King 3 years, 5 months ago

The numbers speak for themselves? What I hear is number 2008 screaming out to be included in your list of Final Four runs. But then that would increase the percentage from 12% to 22%. So yeah, put a gag in 2008. Maybe kick 2012 out of the Bitch and Moan Club as well.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 5 months ago

It's just an observation Bryce..nothing more. If the facts are wrong, then help me correct them.

Brad Ballard 3 years, 5 months ago

So you think KU should fire Self then? What other common denominator would their be over that man years? They wore crimson and blue uniforms? Self's made some bad calls but the biggest reason they lost all of those games was because of the players.

2007 - Mario 2 points, 7 TO's, Julian Wright 8 points, Darrell Arthur 4 points, Sherron Collins 0 points.
2008 - National Champs.
2010 - Sherron Collins 4/15 with 5 TO's, Tyshawn Taylor 0/6, 2 points. 2011 Tyrel Reed 1/9, Morningstar 1/7, Markieff 8 TO's.
2013 Tharpe 1/8, Elijah 5 TO's, no assists.
2016 Perry 1/5 with 4 TO's and terrible shot selection from most starters.

Self is slow to adjust sometimes but the players seem to panic. Since they win so many games, they are usually ahead and when they get down in the 2nd half, they don't know how to come back and lose their confidence.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 5 months ago

I'm not calling for Self to be fired but his asst. coaches aren't of the same caliber they once were. That may be where any changes should begin.

Michael Lorraine 3 years, 5 months ago

KU is ranked 4th in tournament winning percentage (30-12) over Bill’s tenure behind UNC (34-10), Duke, Uconn. In terms of final fours and national titles they are 7th behind the three above and Kentucky, Florida and Michigan State. Both Uconn and Florida failed to make the tournament 4 times during this span and the coaches responsible for their programs success have both left. I would put Bill at about the number 5 spot in terms of current coaches behind Roy, Coach K, Calipari and Izzo. Is that a fair assessment?

Corey Sparks 3 years, 5 months ago

I really think self has a problem with the turnaround games. His sweet 16 record is great, elite 8 horrible. The two years before we had trouble in the 2nd round, also the one day turnaround game. Also he's never lost the first game of the final four. When the HCBS has a week to prepare for a tourney game we more than likely win, but if he only has a day to prepare for the 2nd round or elite 8 games we almost always come out real tight, and usually get our coaches to.

James Smith 3 years, 5 months ago

What is sad it all started before the tip. During introductions every Nova player went over and fist pumped the officials after their name was called. Our players were doing all their pre-game antics and totally ignored the officials. Never hurts to show the officials some respect.

Ben Simonett 3 years, 5 months ago

Ignoring the first two years which you can chalk up to not having his system installed we can start to see a rather disturbing pattern with self in the tournament: his bad upsets always happen in the round of 32 or the elite 8. This suggests Self does poorly when given a short time to prep for an opponent. He's dominant in the regular season because the schedule is fixed and he is masterful at getting his teams ready for a foreseen opponent. But when he has no time to prep he just can't get his guys ready. 13 years is a large enough sample.at this point we need to be honest and admit the man is just not a good tournament coach.

I know the fan base is split on how important tournament performance is and weather the program should be content with the conference streak. But trying to argue Self doesn't consistently underachieving in the tournament at this point is asanine

Mick Allen 3 years, 5 months ago

Does the loss to Villanova count as a bad upset Ben? Try to show some objectivity by excluding this loss in your criticism. They were number 1 this season for a significant time. They were regarded the strongest number 2 seed in the tournament. The oddsmakers had this game as essentially a pick 'em. Villanova was the hottest team in the tourney headed into this game. If we played them 10 times we would 5. They only had to beat us once, which they did. This loss can and should be distinguished from other Elite 8 losses.

Mike Barnhart 3 years, 5 months ago

Coach Self doesn't under perform in the tournament, he OVER PERFORMS in conference! Winning a perennially overrated Big 12 bumps our seed up a position or two every year. Without any real NBA pro's on this team, we'd probably have been a 2 or 3 seed coming out of the Big 10 or ACC.

Riscit Alle 3 years, 5 months ago

The only criticism at all that I have of self, because he does a really good job every year, is that he is not good at in game adjustments. He's very stubborn about making any adjustments. Here is the way we are going to play, if it doesn't work, we are going to stick with it. The problem is Villanova came into the game with a specific press that would slow down our offense and make it into the type of game that they wanted. They attacked us. And then we are sitting there countering to their attack. Why doesn't self come up with a game plan of how we are going to take away the other teams strengths? Instead of just assuming that we can do the same thing every single game and win it all. That's always been the only thing that to me Self has not been good at. In game adjustments. Look at Boeheim beating Virginia. They were down by 14 at half tonight by just playing there normal zone. At halftime boeheim desides to full court press to speed the game up, because he figures that is the only way to get back into it. They come back and win. Flexibility and adaptability are huge in the ncaa tournament, and it seems like it is our downfall every year.

Timothy Rake 3 years, 5 months ago

For Bill Self detractors, I still haven't seen THE LLIST of AVAILABLE replacements for Bill Self who would make us all so much happier in March..as well as December, January, February. Danny Manning? Still unproven as a head coach. Mark Turgeon? A winner, and turn-around artist whose jumped a lot of places, but still to be proven over the long haul? Who else is on your LIST?

Just be way of reference, John Wooden came to UCLA in 1948-49. Had good immediate success. And yet his string of phenomenal championships didn't really happen until 12-13 seasons later, beginning in 1961. A trajectory that seems to tack with Roy Williams and Dean Smith's tenure at Carolina.

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