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Saturday, October 1, 2011

Keegan

Coach, team make it tough to ‘believe’

Kansas head coach Turner Gill has words for the officiating crew after a play in which tight end Tim Biere dropped a pass that was recovered for a KU touchdown during the first quarter on Saturday, Oct. 1, 2011 at Kivisto Field.

Kansas head coach Turner Gill has words for the officiating crew after a play in which tight end Tim Biere dropped a pass that was recovered for a KU touchdown during the first quarter on Saturday, Oct. 1, 2011 at Kivisto Field.

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Kansas coach Turner Gill talks to reporters following his team's 45-34 loss to Texas Tech on Oct. 1, 2011, at Memorial Stadium.

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From the outside, it’s growing more difficult to believe in the one-word motto preferred by Kansas University football coach Turner Gill: Believe.

The numbers on the scoreboard when time expired Saturday afternoon in Memorial Stadium — Texas Tech 45, Kansas 34 — didn’t look so ugly. The problem: No matter what the numbers said at any point, it was difficult to believe Kansas was going to win the football game. If you can’t talk yourself into believing Kansas will win when it leads by three touchdowns (and two extra points) in the first quarter, when can you believe?

A few technological advances from now, when the click of a button enables us to read minds, we’ll easily determine whether a fan base truly believes in its team. Too bad that technology wasn’t there yet because it would have been interesting to read the minds of those wearing blue Saturday when quarterback Jordan Webb and a wide array of talented young running backs gave Kansas a 20-0 lead with 3:39 left in the first quarter.

At that time, if you had to make a straight-up bet as to the game’s winner, which way would you have gone? I tried to talk myself into believing at that moment Kansas would win the game, but I couldn’t. The Red Raiders had too much firepower in the form of quarterback Seth Doege (passed for 336 yards and three touchdowns) and running back Eric Stephens (rushed for 124 yards and two touchdowns), too much strength blocking for them, too much time to believe anything but that they would catch the Jayhawks and pass them.

But did it have to happen so quickly? From the time Kansas took a 20-0 lead to the time it trailed 21-20, just 7:51 of game clock elapsed. The easy answer lies with blaming Webb for throwing a pair of interceptions that led to scores. The easy answer’s not always the fair one. Webb hadn’t thrown a pick all year until throwing three Saturday and one of them hit the hands of Kansas receiver Chris Omigie first.

Truth is the offense, though guilty of fits of sloppiness in this one, is ahead of schedule. The effective running game has enabled offensive coordinator Chuck Long to put Webb into good spots to taste success, drawing the defense up to stop the run and pulling it even closer with play-action fakes.

It’s the defense and less-than-stellar special teams (fumbled fair catch and a blocked extra point) that don’t inspire any confidence this is a football team that can escape the Big 12 cellar. The air in the George Mrkonic Auditorium, site of the post-game interviews, doesn’t hint at more inspirational days ahead, either.

Very often, during post-game media sessions, athletes tend to reveal their coach’s message delivered in the locker room after losses and the way they do it is by stealing his words to explain what happened. Several of the players, when asked about why the team has performed so poorly in its past two third quarters, talked about “poor execution,” Gill’s fall-back quote. It doesn’t really say anything. The only coach ever to use the word execution in a quote in a meaningful way was John McKay in the early days of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. When asked, after a particularly unsightly loss, what he thought of his team’s execution, McKay said, “I think it’s a good idea. I’m all for it.”

Obviously, he didn’t mean it, but he did get his point across. In most walks of life, especially when dealing with youth, nurturing confidence is the best path to creating fertile soil for growth. But football’s not like most things. It’s brutal. It’s war without weapons. Particularly on defense, it’s best played by men dragged out of their comfort zones and into a state of rage, men bent on seeking and destroying. I’d like to believe that’s happening in practice, but it’s difficult not to be a doubting Thomas on that front.

Don’t look at the schedule to cultivate belief. It calls for a Saturday visit to Stillwater to face No. 5 Oklahoma State. The following Saturday it will be interesting to see how much red fills Memorial Stadium when the second-ranked Oklahoma Sooners visit.

For Kansas football, the great thing about the apparent Big 12 stability is that the coaches can continue to sell playing in the Big 12 to recruits. The tough thing for the coaches about staying in the conference is they have to prepare for a Big 12 team every week.

Comments

AzNHawk 2 years, 6 months ago

@Eastbayhawk

I'd bet on it.

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Mike Nicco 2 years, 6 months ago

In light of what the offense is showing this year, would Coach Gill get more leeway if we knew he was recruiting defensive players as well as he recruited offense last year?

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Phoggin_Loud 2 years, 6 months ago

Oklahoma State (4-0) opened as a 29-point favorite against the Jayhawks when Sunday’s point spreads were released. By Sunday night, the line had moved to as high as OSU minus 33 points in some spots.

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Jack McEnaney 2 years, 6 months ago

I have thought since I moved here to go to school that the fandom in this town was weak. Back in 2007 everyone in Kansas was the biggest football fan, wow look at our team but no I cant name a single player not named reesing on this team. If KU fans would put half the energy into football that they do in basketball, they would compete for the Big IX title. That being said Gil is doing a pretty good job. As people in this town seem to love saying, "Look what he inherited from the previous administration!" The managing of the clock by the offense to end the first half was very good. The time out by Gil right before the field goal attempt by Tx Tech at the end of the half was very good. KU has a football team that has scored at least 24 points in every game this season. The reason they have lost is because of turnovers and non existant tackling. They need more mental toughness and discipline. Defensive tackles can not be jumping offsides. Watch the brown thing right in front of you, until it moves, you dont. Watch the waist of the man with the ball. He cant go anywhere without his waist. Dont try and tackle him by his shoestring, just run right through his waist. The difference between last year and this year is plain to see. The running backs look great. Just tackle on defense and this team will succeed.

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JHWKDW 2 years, 6 months ago

Come on folks!It going to take 4 years to to see if he is successful or not!

I can see alot of improvement in the offense and the special teams well minus that bad judgment to try to field that punt!Heck this offensive line is better than the Kansas City Chiefs,and hell Jordan Webb looks better than Matt Cassel does most of the time lol!I know pro and college and all, but I like some of the things I have seen alot!

But really all Gill needs is to improve on the defense!Heck even the broadcasters were saying they were young and improving!Just give them time to improve the defense!

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jgkojak 2 years, 6 months ago

Our Offense is actually working. If we can make a few adjustments on D - we'll sneak up and win a couple more this year - we won't get to 6 wins - but we'll improve.

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John Percival 2 years, 6 months ago

Thank you so much, Tom. Before HCTG got here I've complained to friends for years about the "E word." I'm sick of him saying it. To me, it means if me and 10 of my fat, old buddies go out and do exactly what he says, we can beat Oklahoma. It's the worst form of coach-speak. The problem is, I don't think it he's saying it to cover-up our lack of talent, but that he actually believes it. Think he needs more time, but the post-game interview needs serious work.

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SCJayhawker 2 years, 6 months ago

Ive got to say I'm frustraited, disappointed and saddened. In other words, kinda like most of us KU Football Fan are all the time. Am I right? With that said I still do believe. I think we need to give Coach Gill at least one more year. Its very hard to build a program. We have to give the man some time. I know everyone wants to see immediate wins but that normally does not take place when taking over the reins of a football program. Its going to take a little time to get where we want to be. One step that must take place is to revamp the entire D side of the ball. Shealy must go. We have to get a D-Cord. in place who is some guy out of the mold of a Bo Pelini. A defensive guy with a defensive mind. Coach Gill has the Offensive mind and our O is looking pretty good. We just need to put a huge focus on D and maybe we will eventually get there.

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Dyrk Dugan 2 years, 6 months ago

Turner Gill is our coach...and will be for the forseeable future. Believe does mean something.....but we have to believe in our coach too...and allow him to get his players in.

again, the raw numbers: we had two LBs that played last year...and were both seniors...that were recruited to play LB at Kansas. two. Jeremiah Edwards...heart condition, can't play. No Jamal Greene (armed robbery)....no Darius Parish....(left the program). There was no infrastructure in the d lines and LBs....zero.

Let the man build the program his way....also, 4th d-coordinator in five years. no continuity on D....let it occur, before you throw the head man out.

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gorilla10 2 years, 6 months ago

KU students are WEAK!!! They show no support in anything KU unless it comes to basketball.....I can't stand students complaining about KU football when they don't even show up and support the team. Most I know party outside the stadium during games and could give a sh*t whats going on inside memorial. Better support and less complaining is what Kansas University needs in every sport!!! WAKE UP LAWRENCE AND QUIT BEING BELOW AVERAGE FANS!!!!!! YOU KU students show very little class............

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Steve Brown 2 years, 6 months ago

halftime open the gates to students without a ticket and offer beer and pizza for a dollar eacvh and less if you show a tix stub. It has been a few decades since I was in school but 25 cent pitchers nd 10 cent draws at the wheel and then $2.00 schooners at Louisia's got us anywhere... don't mind the spelling, it is the vuhm vat waz in da glahss that makes the keyboard a bit dissy.

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DalTXJayhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

What is worse about what is happening to the west is the game day environment they have created. Great tailgates, full stadium (even after halftime), rowdy crowd... I know we have to win to get that, but they have not only put a better product on the field, but are beating the crap out of us from a fan perspective. As it has been said, we have more to offer, with the exception of a recent history of winning, we need to start getting some of the studs we are losing out on. Probably hard to recruit when they see they will be playing in front of 7k fans for the second half. Athletic dept needs to find a way to challenge the students into staying the second half.

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roosey 2 years, 6 months ago

Does anybody remember how big a difference one player made to our early Mark Mangino teams? Charles Gordon. When he played offense, we had an awesome offense. When he played defense, we had an awesome defense. It wasn't until 2008 that we had both on the field at the same time. It's a building process.

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Andy Tweedy 2 years, 6 months ago

This game was a lot like another game against TT a few years ago. We were up something like 35-3 at halftime, and then Turner's boys fell off the ledge. Wait...what? Mark Mangino was the coach of that team? No way...some things really do never change!!!

It's pretty obvious HCTG is going to get another season, so I just hope and pray he can get this defense figured out. More players, better players, better coaching, all those things seem necessary to me. But I am quite sure this team is better than last year's team. That team couldn't stop anybody AND couldn't score.

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Scut Farkus 2 years, 6 months ago

I think most of us agree that the team looks better than last year; better skill players, more speed, improved offense, nice running game and Webb is playing with more confidence. We also have to take into account that GT and TT are 9-0 combined. The Big 12 is extremely tough with at least 7 teams top 25 worthy and at least three (OK, OKS, Texas) in contention for the National Championship. Losing is not as important this year as making sure they stay competitive. Again, I will state the obvious; the defense is in dire need of an overhaul. I don't know if it's the scheme, poor coaching or overall lack of talent. The talent is what it is, but Gill has to hold the defensive coaches to a "fix it or else."

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roosey 2 years, 6 months ago

Oh geez the sky is falling! Maybe I'm an optimist but I really think the fact we almost beat Texas Tech is a miracle. You're looking at the toughest Big 12 schedule KU has ever faced, not to mention a tough non-conference schedule, and KU is still at .500. We're playing without our star wide receiver, we have all sorts of issues on our defensive line, yet we were ahead 20-0 at one point on an offense as good as TTU. If it weren't for Webb throwing two interceptions, something he hasn't done ALL YEAR, we might have won this game. We have a terrific running attack, which is much more than we can say for the past couple of years, and plenty of potential for the next few years. The defense will continue to develop, it's still an incredibly young unit that has plenty of time to muscle up in the offseason and gain some speed. We still have a chance to beat a few Big 12 teams this season and have a considerably decent year. I'd imagine we will beat ISU and perhaps we can pull a Colorado on Texas A&M. And I don't care what they are rated or who they beat, there is always a chance we will beat Mizzou or K-State. Mizzou really hasn't been that impressive thusfar and K-State's going to eventually quit making comebacks. Believe it or not, that's 6 wins right there. If you want a good example of what this team is, look at the Buffalo Bills last year. A lot of firepower, a lot of close games, not a lot of wins. It took them a year to get it all together and if we start off the year next year the way they have, I think we can do some damage in the new Big 12.

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konzahawk 2 years, 6 months ago

A program that is heading in the right direction would have won the game yesterday. It is obvious that we are not that program under Gill. Mangino throttled a ranked MU team and took us to a bowl game in his second year. Gill won't accomplish either of those things during his entire tenure.

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yovoy 2 years, 6 months ago

In lots of other conferences 34 points will win a football game. In our league, it probably won't. Take away 2 turnovers, and/or have a defense that can make 3 or 4 stops when it needs to, and this team wins yesterday - it would've been close, but it would be by more than 1 score.

Our offense is pretty decent, even against some decent defenses. Our defense is not decent. If the D was just decent, and our offense played the way they have this year, I think we'd all feel a bit better about the rest of the season.

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AzNHawk 2 years, 6 months ago

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iamakufan 2 years, 6 months ago

Gee, it's only his second year. If you look, you see there is improvement. It takes time. Let's give him time. Nobody but nobody can come in and make this a truly competitive team in just over one season.

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bville_hawk 2 years, 6 months ago

Programs that 'turn around' do so by staying with a new coach rather than continually firing and hiring. Besides the examples above (Pinkel, Snyder) look at Bill McCartney at Colorado who won a national championship there. All the things we were all bitching about last year are resolved: clock management, conditioning, etc. We do lack a couple studs on defense, those guys are hard to come by but I think Gill has shown himself to be a good recruiter and I think the defense will receive more recruiting emphasis in the future. We are very young, QB soph, running backs 1 soph and the rest freshman. We were competitive yesterday. You could make the case that had the interception in the 2nd on the pass that was a little high but still catchable been caught instead of tipped that we maintain our score separation with them and go on and win the game.
Even so we are still right there. Missed FG: 3pts. James Simms slipping on 4th down at the 2 yard line as he cut with 1 man to beat so score: 7pts.

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Annette Lee 2 years, 6 months ago

I think The defense was improved. Guys were flying to the ball more than past games. The quarterback is a pleasant surprise. Omigie needs to catch the ball and Sims needs to trust his blocker at least on that 4th down play at the end.

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Scut Farkus 2 years, 6 months ago

I'm willing to give HCTG another year. I believe it takes that long to recruit and implement a winning scheme, especially when taking over a program in dire need like KU was. That said, Gill also has to man up and make changes in the defensive coaching personnel starting with the coordinator and he needs to do it now.

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eastcoasthawk 2 years, 6 months ago

I have to call out Keegan on one statement in this article. The easy answer as to why we lost is the right one. Our defense is our defense. It is not very good. Known fact. Our offense is ahead of the curve and can keep us in ball games. However, it was our offense that completely let us down and let TTU back in this game with a 20 point lead. Webb was over his head in releasing many passes where his receivers were covered. What did we lose by? How many points did the TO's cost us? Bingo.

I think BarkingHawk called out the offensive play calling the best.

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westlaw 2 years, 6 months ago

No excuses njjayhawk! Bill Snyder had to deal with Ron Princes leftovers and guess what he is winning. In his 2nd season KSU went Pinstripe bowl and look at this season. With this whole alignment mess about football, we need to start putting a product on the field that will produce now. I do agree with KU fans being fair weather, it is embarassing looking at empty seats before and after halftime. Majority of college stadiums (Big 10 and ND) I have been to does not allow re-entry. And then we wonder why we get left out of the alignment picture.

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Janet Scott 2 years, 6 months ago

Gill stays and we roll the dice with him. No big name coach will come to Lawrence, or will stay, if he does come. This is Turner's program now (like it or not) and it is still full of leftovers from the Mangino era (without Reesing, Mangino would have put up big losing numbers at KU). W need to give Gill a year or two more to turn it around. He has but one of his recruited classes on the field; and they're only freshmen, a year removed from high school, yet are now facing Top 5 nationally ranked Div I football teams!

And until Memorial Stadium is full at kickoff for each and every game, and remains full till the game ending gun, KU football will be crap. The whinning, fair weather Ku football fan, coupled with a half empty Memorial Stadium late in near every home game is a frick'n disgrace.

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Funhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

What little you and I know about football coaches' personalities is from brief interviews and their weekly TV shows, for example. If anything is revealing to us, it is in the coach's words and facial expressions as the cameras are rolling in the post-game locker room. Perhaps other long time Jayhawk football fans remember these post game, locker room interviews, too.

Terry Allen, beginning his second year, was looking and sounding more sad and depressed as the season wore on. I was worried he was going to commit suicide before he was released.
Cagey Glen Mason also wore his emotions on his sleeve. Unlike Terry Allen though, Mason looked and sounded mad at the world his first years here. His first KU teams were awful. Bob Valesente was fired after two years. "Valesente told reporters, 'I don't believe two years is enough to build a program. I just don't feel we've been given enough time.' " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Vale... I recall everyone excited when Mike Gottfried was hired. Gottfried stayed for only three years. I recall him prancing the sidelines like a caged animal, always wearing a mean look and, like Mason his first two years, a mad-at-the-world attitude for being our coach. I recall boosters remarking that Gottfried was not happy coaching here at all, so he moved into broadcasting and subsequently was smiling again. As each season wore on, and the job wore on them, you could really see these coaches' demeanors go downhill in their interviews and their TV shows. Several of these coaches in their weekly TV shows started looking and sounding like they hated their job here.

The reason I bring up these personalities, I prefer Turner Gill's. And, I just now realized coaching carousels send a football program into the grave. Did unbelief ever resurrect something dead?

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zturner29 2 years, 6 months ago

Recruit some defense talent Gill, we got some sorry players out there on the d-line

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ahpersecoachingexperience 2 years, 6 months ago

My favorite quote last week was when TG said he didn't know if the players were going to watch TT play and mentioned they could do whatever they wanted because it was their bye week. maybe getting the team together to watch TT play could of helped. Maybe an assistant coach going on a 3 day vacation to attend the prestigious Henderson college hall of fame ceremony instead of putting in extra time in the office sent the wrong message and could of helped. Maybe practicing more than 3 days during the week after gt puts up numerous team and NCAA records on you could of helped. Maybe I'll go to church and pray turner gets fired, couldn't hurt!

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midhawktx 2 years, 6 months ago

Don't give me this BS that every first 2 years is this stat. Feel the game; this team is not even close to being as disciplined or in shape as other Big 12 teams. It is a flat joke that after halftime, our defense was winded. It was a flat joke to be up 20 and lose to a bad TTU team.

I was sceptical of Gill in the beginning and his teams have not improved. This is a four quarter game and all games are won in the 4th quarter. We can't even play 2 quarters. It is a joke; and with all the money we have spent on the facilities, we should have a better team. Mangino set us up for the furture, the boosters did the rest.

If any homer idiot fan thinks Gill is a good coach, I would ask you to watch the guy 90 miles West of Lawrence today. A much better coached team, in a worse location and uglier campus with worse utilities than KU. That team (I don't care if they won or lost) was much better "coached than ours today. Keegan has it right. I do not believe in this team. I will cringe and watch this team for the rest of the year and hope for a way out.

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omari1911 2 years, 6 months ago

So, I don't get it? Why is this news? Look at the first two season of every coach at KU (including its most successful in modern years), and you'll see futility... especially in conference play. Why is everyone so shocked and outraged? Truth is, we have some young studs in the offensive backfield. Need to put a defense together that can slow high octane offenses down, at least... and we're contenders.

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danmoore 2 years, 6 months ago

Give Gill a chance to see what he can do with his own players. Firing him now, or after only two seasons would set this program back so far no coach will be able to resurrect it.

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buckleyhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

Funhawk would win, except he is statistically backing up TG's two bad years with other KU coaches with two bad years. I mean, Terry Allen. Really? Does anyone on this board remember Terry...Allen???

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SCJayhawker 2 years, 6 months ago

I believe. I believe we will not win another game if our current D-Coord. is allowed to remain on the job. He does not have the skills required to run a D-1 defensive unit. While our O is scoring points and making strides over last years unit, our D continues to fail. I believe we are doomed. When does basketball season start?

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BarkingHawk 2 years, 6 months ago

lonestar_jayhawk -

I'm glad you believe in the Offense. I only wish our coaching staff did. We could have won with it today, but decided to get away from the best thing it does and which, again, protects our weakness from being as exposed as it was - and has been all season.

This is Football 101 and it doesn't take a genius to see it. Alas, we don't have any of those either. On the other hand, if you want to see one, look west about 75 miles. There's an old man sitting in his office right now who is already breaking down his next opponent in a way this entire staff can't even imagine.

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kanshawk 2 years, 6 months ago

Last year was a rebuilding year even if Mangino stayed. Look at our roster and how young the team is. it's unfair to expect this team to be competitive in the conference, especially now that we play all of the big 12 south, don't have CU, ISU and Baylor are looking better than in the past. Next year and even more so the following year will be the years that will show the kind of success the program can have under Gill. Think about it, the team wont even consist of all players Gill recruited until his 4th season.

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hammerhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

I say fire the coach NOW. Do it, please, before the Jayhawks get killed by the two teams that we all hate. Remember, this coach was brought in by the crook AD that we had. He was desperate at the time. We got a loser with gill and his no-name jerseys. Get rid of him NOW!!

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Paul Rupp 2 years, 6 months ago

Funhawk wins this string.

Nice job on the history/stats.

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FlintHawk 2 years, 6 months ago

"ahpersecoachingexperience (anonymous) says… best article I have seen on this site...ever!"

+1,000,000. TG is probably a good man, with strong ethical values, etc etc etc But he is not the football coach KU needs. Kumbaya isn't compatible with the sport. In football, nice guys DO finish last. Many of the "improvements" have been superficial and meaningless (names on unies); some have been superficial and damaging (Twitter).

I wish he weren't our coach. But he is. And I agree that the cost of a contract buyout seems beyond us now. On the other hand, TG isn't going to change. If ever there was a greater need for us to demonstrate excellence in football, it's now; realignment is not going away.

It's a conundrum, and I wish I knew someone who has a solution. Two more years for TG isn't a solution. Contract buyout seems impossible. And, finally, would any coach worth his stones consider KU now? Bleak.House.

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Vernon Riggs 2 years, 6 months ago

I will continue to BELIEVE in Coach Gill. I BELIEVE in the Offense. However, I don't BELIEVE in the Defense right now. Two DC's and two 'systems' in two years doesn't help. We know the problem; Coach Gill please solve it!

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BarkingHawk 2 years, 6 months ago

The Problem:

With a superlative set of running backs, a credible run-blocking offensive line and a 20 point lead in the first quarter, what does a coaching staff do to maximize their opportunity to have their team in a game in the 4th quarter against a more talented opponent?

That's all we ask with a new regime at this point. Instead, today, we put the game in the hands of a still inexperienced QB and barely capable WRs. It's called game management and we simply forfeited any chance at winning today because of the failure to simply go to our one demonstrable strength time and again, run the clock, run the clock, run the clock, avoid turnovers, avoid giving short fields, protect our defense, punt them deep, etc., etc., etc.

This is the most gifted set of running backs I have ever seen at KU in over 50 years of watching this program and the failure to force Tech to have to spend the day trying to tackle them was as blatant a case of coaching malpractice as I have seen in that time. It was and will continue to be our best chance to stay in games, much less win any of them, and we simply got away from it when there was absolutely no reason to do so.

In taking the approach we did, we exposed our weakness - generously, a terrible defense - to more plays, more minutes and more scoring opportunities than was ever necessary. And my group was saying and predicting this when we had the lead, not just after we blew it.

I have no faith in this staff's ability to adjust to the game they are in and, until this program and this AD decides to recognize what is happening here, they will not get the benefit of another dollar from this longtime season ticket holder. That's four tickets, Sheahon.

To make things worse yet, after watching this, I had to go home and watch The Master, once again, give his team the best chance that he, as a coach, could possibly give them in order to beat a more talented, more athletic opponent. For the second straight week. KSU 36, Baylor 35.

It's only Gill Year II, and I believe in letting a program build, but Jayhawks, Sheahon, had enough? I guarantee you, I have.

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jhawkjunkie 2 years, 6 months ago

Last year the excuse was 'New coach, new system, need time to adjust." This year the excuse is, all be it a legitimate one, "New D-cordinator, new system, no depth, need one more year to adjust. I think HCTG's job after the next year will depend on 4 games:the games against K-State and Missouri the next 2 years. If HCTG goes 0-fer against those 2 teams and the team is still struggling, I think KU will decide it's much easier to swallow the remaining 2 years of the contract and part ways. If somehow he is 2-1 or at least 1-2 against our rivals, he will see his fourth year. Terry Allen was HORRIBLE, but at least he was 3-2 against Missouri.

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Andrew Washington 2 years, 6 months ago

I agree, we should try our best to get mike leach, but do you think he would accept?

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Funhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

This is Kansas football. I don't like these numbers, but I still love KU football and get into every game. Here are the season's won-loss records of the first two years of each recent KU coach pre-Turner. Unfortunately, I do not recall the LJW and so many fans wanting to lynch the KU coach this soon. I like Turner and I believe he will turn it around when he gets more of his players.

Conference records of KU coaches his first two years:

Mark Mangino. 2002 – 0-8. 2003 – 3-5. Terry Allen. 1997 – 3-5. 1998 – 1-7. Glen Mason. 1988 – 1-6. 1989 – 2-5. Bob Valesente. 1984 – 0-7. 1985 – 0-7. Mike Gottfried. 1983 – 2-5. 1984 – 4-3. Don Fambrough.1979 – 2-5. 1980 – 3-3-1. Bud Moore. 1975- 4-3. 1976 – 2-5.

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jayhawk2062 2 years, 6 months ago

MIKE LEACH at Kansas!!!! Let's all pitch in $25 each, get a petition together and help pay the buyout! If fans can come up with half of the buyout ($3 million) I'm sur e the department or some big time donors could come up with the rest.

If each fan gave on average of $25 it would take roughly 120,000 fans to get to the $3 million.

Then give leach the $2.5 million he deserves and didn't get at Tech and let the high powered offense and bowl games start coming. Seems pretty clear to me.

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lv_jhwk 2 years, 6 months ago

Gill simply chose the wrong word. "Believe" is defined as "to accept something as true, genuine, or real." Well, if we're expected to do just that given what we see on the field, or at least do so in a positive manner, I will admit to giving him too much credit.

"Faith", on the other hand, is defined as "the ability to trust without proof". (My religious-minded friends would be howling with laughter if they knew I was writing that.) This idea probably better applies to what we see on the field, as long as you are able and willing to look less at outcomes and more at comparisons. After all, what I see is a team that is just what so many of us predicted...a team that will likely have the same record as a year ago yet be a better team. Given similar improvements over the next year or two, although on a different side of the ball, then a successful, winning program is possible and somewhat probable.

So, all that said: how many of you naysayers would have called for your own Jesus Christ to be replaced? After all, it supposedly took nearly thirty years for him to start performing miracles!

Or good god, what about Moses? It took him forty years to lead his people out of a desert that is only a few hundred miles across!

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dylanj66 2 years, 6 months ago

Ya the names on the back of the uniforms is gonna make us a winning team. I have always been told its more about the Jimmy's and Joe's than x's and o's. Coach Gill has not even been here two years and some of you are ready to let him go. Why don't some of you get out of your recliners and head to the practice field Monday and help coach out. Mangino had a couple of winning season and all the sudden we are Notre Dame.

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bville_hawk 2 years, 6 months ago

It's hard to beat a good team when you are -3 in turnovers. TT didn't beat us as much as we beat ourselves by letting them get back in the game with turnovers on 3 straight 1st half possessions. I felt the defense made some strides as well. By my recollection TT punted 4 times and we held them to a FG after DJ fumbled the punt on our 30 yd line. I think if turnovers are even in this game that we win.

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kuilander 2 years, 6 months ago

do you think they AREN'T trying to recruit d-tackles?? that position might be the toughest spot to recruit kids out of high school.. there are so few, that the highly coveted d-lineman coming out of high school simply do not go to schools like kansas.

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randydaytona 2 years, 6 months ago

I agree names on jerseys and the correct colors would be the minimum!

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KU_Alumn_2000 2 years, 6 months ago

Without getting some D-linemen in here quickly...this program goes no where.

Why in the heck are we not recruiting D-linemen like crazy...both last year and this recruiting season !!!

Get some big nasties in here that can pressure an offense....and this program takes off. If Coach Gill doesn't do this....he's gonna find himself in the hot seat in the near future.

Looking for a defensive coordinator may be a good idea as well.

Don't get me wrong...I'm rooting for Coach Gill....but he needs to place some urgency on getting the D-linemen in here that this program needs !

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ahpersecoachingexperience 2 years, 6 months ago

best article I have seen on this site...ever!

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Jayhawk1116 2 years, 6 months ago

Gill's pimpin' sunglasses do have to go, though.

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Jayhawk1116 2 years, 6 months ago

Pay heed to these words: "Work in Progress". Instant gratification is a harsh and elusive mistress. Want instant gratification? Buy the Shake Weight...

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jhawkrulz 2 years, 6 months ago

I believe HCTG is not the answer.

5-11 as the Head Coach at KU. 1-9 against the Big XII...1-1 against FBS II schools. 4-3 non-conference.

Not good numbers at all...I hate to think that we will be 1-17 against the Big XII by the end of the season.

To think we could have had TT as a coach...at least we could look at Jim Tressel this time around.

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Layne Pierce 2 years, 6 months ago

What I see in the midst of puke is that our offense is really beginning to jell, both in talent and performance. Our defense is actually better than last year, but without real defensive linemen and 5 or 6 of them, this team will not get it done. We would be well off to recruit nothing but defensive tackles until we find 3 or 4 who can play at this level. If we do, the rest of the defense might really surprise you.

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manginorh00lz 2 years, 6 months ago

I believe it is time for a new coach.

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