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Texas A&M defeats Kansas, 61-7

  • 11 a.m., Nov. 19, 2011
  • Kyle Field, College Station, TX

Saturday, November 19, 2011

Agg beating: Jayhawks suffer worst blowout of season in 61-7 loss to Texas A&M

Kansas running back Darrian Miller is squeezed by the A&M defense in the first half Saturday, Nov. 19, 2011 at Kyle Stadium in College Station, Texas.

Kansas running back Darrian Miller is squeezed by the A&M defense in the first half Saturday, Nov. 19, 2011 at Kyle Stadium in College Station, Texas.

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KU coach Turner Gill

Kansas coach Turner Gill talks to reporters following the Jayhawks' 61-7 loss to Texas A&M on Nov. 19, 2011.

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KU coach Turner Gill opening statement after 61-7 loss to Texas A&M

KU coach Turner Gill gives an opening statement following the Jayhawks' 61-7 loss to Texas A&M on Nov. 19, 2011.

— With four games to play, and the 2011 season all but lost, the Kansas University football team turned to the slogan, "Remember November," in an attempt to find a way to fight through the final month.

After suffering a 61-7 beating on Saturday in front of a crowd of 86,411 at Texas A&M's Kyle Field, all anyone wants to do is forget.

"A slogan is a slogan," senior linebacker Steven Johnson said. "But at the end of the day, you still have to go out there and win games. And when you can't execute and do things like that, then a slogan can't back you up. You gotta go out there and work. You gotta have some substance about it."

This latest loss — arguably KU's most embarrassing in a season full of colossal failures — dropped the Jayhawks to 2-9 overall, 0-8 in Big 12 play and 0-3 in the month that was supposed to be different. There was no substance, only a variety of did-that-really-just-happen moments that allowed the Aggies (6-5, 4-4) to race out to a 23-0 lead after one quarter and a 44-0 lead at the half.

"It was a tough ballgame," KU coach Turner Gill said. "Guys just seemed like they didn't have the energy early, and Texas A&M got after us pretty good. We got outcoached and outplayed."

Asked specifically how the Jayhawks were outcoached, Gill pointed to the start.

"For me, it's getting the guys ready to play," he said. "You gotta get your guys ready to play, and I didn't do a very good job of getting our guys ready to play at 11:10 today. So that's on me as a coach."

That's not to take anything away from Texas A&M, which deserved plenty of credit for dismantling the Jayhawks. Despite being relieved midway through the game, A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill and tailback Cyrus Gray damaged the KU defense. Tannehill completed 21 of 26 passes for 280 yards and three touchdowns. Gray added 94 yards and three touchdowns on just nine carries.

Defensively, the Aggies were equally unruly, finishing with six sacks and limiting KU to 197 yards of total offense, including 64 rushing yards on 55 carries.

When the Aggies weren't having their way with the Jayhawks, the Jayhawks did all they could to help this one get out of hand.

First came a high snap from Tanner Gibas that sailed over punter Ron Doherty's head with 6:01 to play in the first quarter. By the time Doherty caught up to the ball, he was in the back of the end zone. The safety made it 9-0.

On the free kick that followed, Doherty kicked the ball out of bounds, giving A&M possession at midfield. Six plays and two minutes later, wide receiver Ryan Swope (nine catches, 137 yards) got 10 yards behind the KU secondary and made the score 16-0 with his first of two touchdown catches.

After another Gray touchdown, A&M regained possession when a shotgun snap to KU quarterback Jordan Webb hit running back Tony Pierson's leg as he ran in motion behind the line. Three plays later, Swope caught a Tannehill pass near the KU 20-yard line, took simultaneous hits from KU defenders Keeston Terry and Greg Brown, bounced off both and strolled into the end zone.

"There were a lot of missed opportunities going on," Brown said. "We progressed over the past two weeks, and we kind of regressed this game. As a defense, we gotta know how to get out of tough situations. We have to learn to overcome those issues, and I'm sure we'll come out with a better outcome."

During a first half in which it scored on six of its seven possessions, the Texas A&M offense enjoyed an average starting field position of its own 48-yard line. Three of those drives started in KU territory.

As if that wasn't enough, Webb also threw an interception and lost a fumble in the dreadful first half, and the Aggies called timeout with 2:10 to play in order to save time to mount one more scoring drive.

"We were a little flat," Johnson said. "And I couldn't tell you why we were flat. Everything that could've went wrong just went wrong."

Not only was A&M's first-half onslaught efficient, it also happened quickly. The Aggies had the ball for just 8:24 in the first half — compared with 21:36 for KU — yet ran 33 plays and racked up 321 yards of offense. A&M's longest scoring drive in the first half took 2:03. Its shortest, 22 seconds.

The Aggies also never punted.

On a day with few bright spots, the Jayhawks found one on their final drive, when sophomore running back James Sims scored his ninth touchdown of the season from 15 yards out to prevent a shutout with 46 seconds to play.

"It meant a lot," said Sims, who finished with 88 yards on 19 carries. "It just meant that we didn't give up. The outcome was pretty bad, but we still stuck together and finished. That's what the coaching staff wanted us to do. They just wanted us to push forward and score before the end of the game."

Although lopsided scores are starting to become routine for the Kansas football program — the loss was KU's sixth by 30 or more points this season — most Jayhawks have not moved past the point of embarrassment. With 38 Texans on the KU roster, nowhere are the poor performances more painful than in Texas, where Gill's KU teams have been outscored 159-14 in three trips to The Lone Star State.

"It's frustrating coming back home and going out there competing, but it's not even looking like you're competing," said Brown, a native of Cedar Hill, Texas.

Added Johnson, when asked if Saturday's setback was a new low: "Yep."

Comments

DXJhawk 2 years, 10 months ago

Glad to see Matt ask some tough questions after the game today. I'm sure the post-game interviews are getting quite a bit tougher for Gill.

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Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 2 years, 10 months ago

"Asked specifically how the Jayhawks were outcoached, Gill pointed to the start." Gill knew from the start he was outmatched!

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Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 2 years, 10 months ago

"For me, it's getting the guys ready to play," he said. "You gotta get your guys ready to play, and I didn't do a very good job of getting our guys ready to play at 11:10 today. So that's on me as a coach."

TG is openly admitting that he is bad at his job, or more specifically that he did a bad job this week. If you use TG's logic then his "guys" weren't ready to play during the other 5 major blowouts this year. Therefore TG did a bad job for those weeks too. That's 6 weeks he openly admits to having poor job performance. A position of this caliber cannot allow for such mistakes. I'm not sure who calls the offensive plays but I don't think it's TG, therefore getting the guys ready is his only job.

Get TG and his masquerade out of here before he does more damage to the University and town. This week SZ! If you give TG till the Sunday (maybe Monday) after the missery game then that's all right but absolutely no later!

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ZDKC 2 years, 10 months ago

Yep, I"m sure there's a financial figure behind this too. He should refund that money back to the university.

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cool_beans 2 years, 10 months ago

when asked if Saturday's setback was a new low: "Yep." that says it all.

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WilburNether 2 years, 10 months ago

We had a jerk for a coach who abused people. And he left the cupboard so bare that had he stayed another year, the season would have been abysmal. Good riddance to Mangino.

You obviously did not major in logic (assuming you even attended KU, let alone graduated). Just because Gill is failing does not mean Mangino did not need to go. It means that Perkins hired the wrong guy to replace him.

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TenaciousD 2 years, 10 months ago

Bill Young was the puppeteer. The Jayhawks improvement and success peaking in the Orange Bowl completely track Young's presence. When he left, the wheels came off of Mangino's truck and the team came unglued.

To reference this, look at the stats before and after Young arrived on the scene.

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stanleys 2 years, 10 months ago

totally agree. Young was by far the best DC. Somehow we need to get that guy back on the KU sidelines!!!!!

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NebraskanJayhawk152 2 years, 10 months ago

I think we should go after Bill Young. His defense is the reason we made the Orange Bowl and won. He had a great stints at KU and if the price is right i think he would come back as a Head Coach

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Maracas 2 years, 10 months ago

Gill can't exit Lawrence soon enough. Not soon enough.

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teemvee 2 years, 10 months ago

What we all need to realize is that whether or not you like him, firing Gill after this year would be stupid for a couple of reasons.

1) We are still paying Mangino, would have to pay Gill, AND somehow find the money for this amazing new coach everyone seems to want to hire.

2) We would be telling the new coach that we are only giving him two years, regardless of what his contract Is, to turn one of the worst programs in the country into a respectable one despite having mediocre players and one of the toughest schedules in the country from this year on out.

I think we all love KU and we all love KU football. The best thing for us to do us to show support for our team, program, and even coach right now because to be quite honest if I was a recruit or potential new head coach, KU does not interest me whatsoever right now. I'm not saying settle for being bad but at least try and support this program because the fans are just as important as the coach, players, and everyone else involved and right now we all leave at halftime if we even go to the games at all. I know we aren't playing well but from the player's point of view everyone quit on them so why should they still try? Whether that's right or wrong its probably the case so please, especially for this last game, go to it and cheer us on the best you possibly can.

Rock Chalk.

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Nick Cole 2 years, 10 months ago

Any coach that doesn't think he can come in and make our current players compete and play better than they are right now is no coach I want roaming our sidelines. I'm pretty sure I could make our players compete and play better than they currently are.

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gammimc 2 years, 10 months ago

Not a problem.

Punt the football program. Go independent in basketball. Build a roof over Memorial Stadium, and put the floor in there. There's 50,000 seats that would sell easily for any basketball game. Turn Allen Fieldhouse into a museum and trophy case. Charge a small admission fee to tour the facility.

We could pay off anyone with the revenue that would create!

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LSHawk 2 years, 10 months ago

Mangino is not the answer but getting a defense that will play tough is. While watching other games today I can see that other defense's play much tougher AND they seem to know where they should be on the field. KU's defensive players are always out of position and simply do not play tough. Gill has got to go and we need to hire someone that can build a solid defense. We have a few pieces on the offensive side that would make us at least competitive if we had a tough defense. I am sick and tired of the excuses and the " we are only a basketball school" crap.

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Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 2 years, 10 months ago

If Gill stays for his full 5 years and then a major conference re-alignment happenes. . . it could be true "we are only a basketball school".

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LSHawk 2 years, 10 months ago

Niether of those is going to happen....so what are some other excuses?

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Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 2 years, 10 months ago

Major conference re-alignment WILL happen.

The excuse is that the coach is incompetent. The players are out of position because there is no accountability, extremely poor play calling and a lack of any workable adjustments.

TG never held a coordinator job before he was HC at Buffalo. Is there a reason Nebraska wouldn't hire him in a coordinating position?!? Of his 4 Buffalo seasons 3 were under .500, including his sparkling 5-7 final season at Buffalo before KU.

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Sam Constance 2 years, 10 months ago

Major conference re-alignment WILL NOT happen.

Hey this is a fun game!

What other topics about which no one really has any clue do you want to make unequivocal declarations?

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troutsee 2 years, 10 months ago

I have said all year that this team lacks physical and mental toughness, especially the latter. Also, the team concept of play is woefully lacking. Aggressiveness is a foreign word to this team. I see a lot of give-up and little heart in this team. That comes from the coaches.

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LeBo 2 years, 10 months ago

I told Jayhawk Nation firing Mangino will cost KU long term! When the BIG XII dissolves we are screwed*

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142466 2 years, 10 months ago

If our FB team is less than descent when the BigXII dissolves we could experience supreme sports irony. We could be unable to secure a seat in any BCS league and therefore would be forced to enter a much weaker league, like the Mountain West. Within 5 years of joining this weaker league, our nationally recognized BB status would greatly suffer (at best, we'd be something like Gonzaga), while our FB program's competitiveness would likely dramatically improve, short-term and long-term.

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Jayhawk1116 2 years, 10 months ago

I hate to see a good man fail. Gill is a good man, and I feel bad for him. It's not his fault Lew offered him so much money. With that being said I'm afraid it's time to turn the page. What is everybody's choice for new coach, and why?

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LSHawk 2 years, 10 months ago

The top choice would be Venables at OU, reason- because he can build a good defense. Same would go for Bobby Jack Wright from OU, would build a good defense and could build a great staff. Chris Cosh from KSU, I know KU fans would hate this but have you watched K-State defense? They play tough, tough football and I like that. Dave Doeren from North Ill. has Kansas ties and is a great recruiter, also would be a defensive minded coach. Last but not least would be Duane Akina from Texas. ALL these coaches would be good recruiters, build good defenses and know the Big 12. Anyone else???

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Jayhawk1116 2 years, 10 months ago

Should we go for an up-and-coming assistant, or go for a big name?

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Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 2 years, 10 months ago

Leach and Tressel. I'm serious. Anything else is failure. Anything else and when they get canned in 3-4 years then SZ should get canned to. Shall Leach (preferably) or Tressel get hired then SZ should be held as a living deity. . .

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gdkadjayhawk 2 years, 10 months ago

I'm glad that you're not in a position to make decisions for KU's future!

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142466 2 years, 10 months ago

I mentioned Nolan Cromwell, the Ransom Rambler, a few weeks ago. The last I knew, Cromwell was coaching in the NFL. Many years have passed since his memorable career at KU. I don't know whether or not his playing exploits 35 years ago would give him a recruiting edge with Kansas high school kids.

One time tested football maxim is that aren't ever enough good Kansas high school prospects to support even .500 level programs at both KU and KSU. After Snyder retires for good, our FB fortunes should improve.

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LSHawk 2 years, 10 months ago

The Big 12 is not going anywhere, do you people not know how big Texas ego's are? I lived in Texas for 5 years and I'll tell you for sure TEXAS will never play second fiddle to any other school if they dont have to. So the Big 12 is not going anywhere. As far as Venables goes, coaching has a lot of ego involved and what cooridinator doesn't want to run his own program? All the up and comming guys want a shot at being the head coach!

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Rick Arnoldy 2 years, 10 months ago

Texas should just go independent and be done with it.

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Joe Baker 2 years, 10 months ago

LOL- Venables won't touch KU with a ten foot pole.

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AcesWild 2 years, 10 months ago

mike leach is a proved the jayhawk needs someone

that has been there not try somebody that in 12 problems

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AcesWild 2 years, 10 months ago

mike leach is a proved the jayhawk needs someone

that has been there not try somebody that in 12 problems

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AcesWild 2 years, 10 months ago

mike leach is a proved the jayhawk needs someone

that has been there not try somebody that in 12 problems

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ampthatman 2 years, 10 months ago

I read that all three times and still have no idea what you said.

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sheahoRn 2 years, 10 months ago

Maaaaaan! I passed out,errrrrr, fell asleep on the beach for a couple of hours and someone wrote "Fire Gill" on my chest with sun block. Apparently the Hawaiian people do not favor our coach as well! What to do, what to do? Maybe something will come to me during the luau. Should be fun, I'm going to walk across hot coals and learn how to juggle flaming torches.

Hope all is well in Kansas and remember season ticket renewals will be coming soon and Williams Fund points gift certificates make the perfect holiday stocking stuffer.

Hang ten, SheahoRn

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jhawkrulz 2 years, 10 months ago

I think that Turner Gill finally realized today that he is toast, I think he thought to himself that he was improving and today against a .500 team, he was beat by the largest margin of any team this year, although OSU may have had us if you really measure halftime scores.

All in all, there are some pretty good guys available. I kind of think Tom Brandley as a DC with Leach/Tressel as a Head Coach would be amazing. Haven't figured out the OC yet, but I'm not the one signing the contract.

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Andy Tweedy 2 years, 10 months ago

You know, I kind of sensed some defeat in his comments, and also felt like maybe the players sense his days are numbered as well.

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mustlehustle 2 years, 10 months ago

Tressel may have a history of having the most corrupt of programs. That is the very last thing needed or required at Kansas. If you hire the proper coach, it makes no difference whether they're offensively or defensively-minded, they will attract the appropriate staff.

Though Clemson lost yesterday, OC Coordinator, Chad Morris continues to be impressive with tremendous and very current relationships in Texas High School Football.

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LSHawk 2 years, 10 months ago

We need to go with a DC with Big 12 ties in recruiting. With the departure of aTm and missery, KU should be able to benefit.

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LSHawk 2 years, 10 months ago

Leach and Tressel have baggage that KU doesn't need. Need to find a quality canidate that can build a good program his own way and that means a Big 12 OC or DC.

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Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 2 years, 10 months ago

Baggage?!? I'd rather have to haul a few old bags then have a heavenly idiot.

Leach and Tressel won't cheat here because they won't need to. Lawrence expectations aren't as high as Lubbock or Columbus. A bowl game (ie 6-6) would be considered success, anything more is great success. At each of their previous HC jobs they would be fired for 6-6 records.

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LSHawk 2 years, 10 months ago

Another " I'll settle for average" fan. Look the point of compitition is to WIN, not settle for 2nd best. Why are KU fans so eager to settle for less than good? I say find a hungry, up and commer to build a PROGRAM that wins, not some cast-off or has been.

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Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 2 years, 10 months ago

you want to go from 2-10 to 10-2?

Another "I've always sucked at sports so I don't fully understand it" fan.

How many bowls has KU been to? Before Mangino that number was 8 and we had only won 3! Then FB (mangino) doubled that win total. . . So yeah I will settle for "average" if "average" gets us to bowl games. You have to be "average" before you can be great. Get a clue and quit drinking the koolaide.

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LSHawk 2 years, 10 months ago

Leach was an OC before becomming a HC at Texas Tech, Tressel did have HC exp. at a smaller school. My point being, RARELY does a HC leave one program and have success at a second program, so if we want to BUILD a program that might last say 10 years our best bet would be with an up and comming DC or OC. Yes we could hire a retread and make the Copper bowl in a couple years or we could hire the right guy at the right time and be in a BCS bowl in 3 years and in contention for the next 5 years to come.

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mustlehustle 2 years, 10 months ago

That may be the statement of the day...."Lawrence expectations aren't as high as Lubbock." That's when you know its time to make a change today!

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sfbevo 2 years, 10 months ago

What is this baggage that Leach presents? He was fired from Texas Tech for insubordination. He was fired on the same day he was owed $800,000 longevity bonus. Leech was the victim of a Knight controlled administration that wanted him gone.

The James affair (father and son) has been proven to be completely untrue from all accounts.

Leech has been very forthcoming from all charges and was simply a victim of a TT purge that was clumsy at best.

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LSHawk 2 years, 10 months ago

As I stated above, rarely does a head coach go from one program to a second and repeat his success. Just saying that is the way it is, KU would be better off choosing a younger OC or DC to be thier new HC instead of Leach or Tressel.

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Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 2 years, 10 months ago

Wrong! Up and coming can't compete with a big name like Leach or Tressel for recruits. Plus Leach is often referred to as a genius and this will lead to victories for KU now. An up and coming coach with little notoriety can't compete in the Big 12. Leach is the perfect fit and there is no way to argue against it. His TX ties fall perfectly with KU (especially with missery and A&M going South).

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lonestar 2 years, 10 months ago

Leach has had success at every stop and has credibility with Texas recruits. At Tech Leach did not have the recruiting classes that UT or OU would haul in but did get more than his share of good solid talent that fit his system. All the guy did was win. Every year he was there. Whether he would come to KU is another matter but he would be worth strong consideration.

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Randy Bombardier 2 years, 10 months ago

I don't think Tressel has as much baggage, but he would not come to KU anyway. But, if we fire Gill after a mere two years we will not attract anyone of any stature. We have the best chance of getting a good, proven coach who has a lot of career left if we are just patient. For example, Houston Nutt is a good coach, has done some good things. Things don't work well for him at Miss. State and he is let go. After that experience do you think he wants to go somewhere where there is a track record of two strikes and you're out?

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mojayhawk 2 years, 10 months ago

Do NOT hire Houston Nutt. His very name describes him on the sidelines.

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gojhawx 2 years, 10 months ago

I disagree, it's not let go after "a mere two tears we will not attract anyone of any stature". Gill has had an OVER THE TOP dismal two years. Any coach would understand a firing after this fiasco. What university WOULDN'T fire the coach after two years like this? We can't afford to give him more time...it will cost us a lot more than 6 million if he is kept any longer than this season. Gill is like a motivational speaker who has people sleeping and snoring in his audience.

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Guyriley 2 years, 10 months ago

I think that far more than "a mere two tears" have been shed throughout the Gill tenure.

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Mike Kendall 2 years, 10 months ago

I said this when Turner Gill was introduced as coach of the KU Jayhawks: "KU football coaches are measured by whether if they can beat K-State and Missouri". K-State hammered us pretty good the last two years. If the Missouri game is a blowout like today's result--- lookout--- it doesn't look good for HCTG.

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ahpersecoachingexperience 2 years, 10 months ago

After losing 9 straight we are starting to run out of ammo.

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ampthatman 2 years, 10 months ago

That hasn't stopped you before.

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ahpersecoachingexperience 2 years, 10 months ago

I feel so dirty winning money on KSU games

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texashawk10 2 years, 10 months ago

This year is a mirror of last year. KU played a couple of close games towards the end of each season and looks to be turning a corner before getting smacked in the mouth the last couple of games. I am a masochist so I will be watching next week and hoping some kind of miracle happens, but there is no way Gill can come back next year and expect to be better than 2-3 wins next year.

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pepper_bar 2 years, 10 months ago

There are six million reasons why Turner Gill comes back next year. Sorry, KU.

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Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 2 years, 10 months ago

Simple econ would point to him being fired as the right move. One decent bowl game would pay a year of his salary: add increased ticket sales, more prestigious TV times and increased merchandise sales. All that makes it make more sense to fire him than keep him. Regardless of how KU got into this position now it has spend money to make money.

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gdkadjayhawk 2 years, 10 months ago

I can't speak for all our bowl games, but I remember an article about KU just breaking even (or maybe not quite even that) when we went to Hawaii for a bowl game during Mason's tenure. Maybe we made money on the Orange Bowl?

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Kirk 2 years, 10 months ago

Not if you do the math, remembering to figure in the LOST REVENUE resulting from empty stadiums every home game.

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Mike Barnhart 2 years, 10 months ago

Wrong! The damage done by giving him another year would far exceed the cost of a buyout. It's simple business, you can't afford an empty stadium.

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stanleys 2 years, 10 months ago

Yea so lets' keep him another year and the league losing streak reaches 18 games and we get trounced again by K-state TU Baylor A&M Tech OSU OU etc then what???? We're between a rock and a hardplace. And all we can say again is "Gill's a nice guy and he deserves a chance?" BU!!$h!t

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texashawk10 2 years, 10 months ago

I can guarantee you that A&M will not trounce KU next season.

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Hammertoe 2 years, 10 months ago

Gill could earn $10 million for one Big 12 Victory in 2 years if he is fired. That could be the worst hire in the history of college football. Not only will Gill will never have to work again but neither will his children.

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squawkhawk 2 years, 10 months ago

If I were HCTG I'd go to bed feeling absolutely filthy every night. Knowing that I'm getting paid at least 5X more than what I should be, for putting such an awful product on the field and for making KU football a laughing stock. KSU used to be called Futility U but they have long since passed that torch on to KU.

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gojhawx 2 years, 10 months ago

I'm sure Turner has plenty of trouble sleeping right now with this horrible record setting season, but a week from Monday I expect he'll sleep like a baby for many years to come.

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142466 2 years, 10 months ago

I vote for Leach, provided he is willing to deliver an acceptance speech in which he admits there was at least a public perception of innapropriate disiplinary methods at his prior job. In his speech he must vow not to let that happen at KU. We'll have it in the public record from day 1. Then don't dwell on it. Let the A.D. do his job, supervise.

Leach deserves a second chance. He'll be grateful to get it. Give it to him.

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gojhawx 2 years, 10 months ago

And that he only buy organic raised poultry (chickens that have been force fed ground up organs from other animals).

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142466 2 years, 10 months ago

I appreciate your point.

Still, I want him to publicly state it. Could do him good to eat some humble pie. Also might help KU's position if his stay at KU doesn't work out.

What he allegedly did is wrong but I suspect it wasn't any different, in degree, than what most all FB coaches do. His difficulties, hopefully, were a wake up call, a benificial warning.

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Ethan Berger 2 years, 10 months ago

We shouldn't try (like he would come here anyways) Tressel why?

NCAA. They will have us under microscope, that if we go 1 minutes over talking recruits, its a heavy ban. Tressel might also get some schollies taken away because he was found guilty by the NCAA.

Leach is a different story. The negative is Mike Leach teams don't play defense and don't run the ball. We don't have wideouts to succeed under leach.

But Leach made Tech a top 20 year in and out. However is recruiting was very average. Lubbock is a sad sad town, and might have been the reason for struggle. Also with his reputation rather if it is right or wrong, would recruits come to play? We gone from one extreme to another extreme. We don't need to go back to the other extreme, we need a middle ground guy. But if we did get Leach, I would not complain one bit.

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BillyGoat 2 years, 10 months ago

Leach would be fun ---- but he is going to have options. Many fans of many programs have been running his name up the flagpole. He's a popular choice.

I had an airport conversation with a K-State fan today (in Las Vegas). He was predicting that within a few years that Mangino will be named the next head coach of K-State. He said that Mangino is already in Manhattan. Not too far-fetched, given his history with Snyder.

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yates33333 2 years, 10 months ago

Can't we embalm Synder and hire him? K-State made it work in diamonds.

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CRAZY4KUSPORTS 2 years, 10 months ago

Why hire Leech? Because his teams threw some points on the board? We need someone tough minded like Jim Leavitt. There is young talent on this team that will get better. Leavitt will get the players to be mentally and physically ready to play each week. No slogans just tough minded hard hitting football.

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gardenjay 2 years, 10 months ago

Maybe Missouri game....rock chalk.

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ku_tailg8 2 years, 10 months ago

We need a balance of both offense and defense. Easily said right? But I'm leaning more to defense. I would rather watch a game where I KNEW our defense would hold someone rather than the games that we have seen where players are out of position.

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yates33333 2 years, 10 months ago

Gasp! When does football season end. I'm trying to remember a more humiliating season.

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ShockHawk10 2 years, 10 months ago

We need to heavily pursue both Leach and Levitt. Leach as head coach and OC, and Levitt as assistant head coach and DC. Our AD has a relationship with Levitt that should make him feel comfortable coming to Lawrence. With Leach, he wants to coach. S.Z. needs to go out and get him. KU has a lot to offer; top notch facilities, alumni willing to empty their wallets for a program on the rise, and a fan base that desperately wants a reason to buy season tickets. This needs to happen now. If Gill is brought back for a third year with similar results, KU is in danger of damaging the football program beyond repair. As alumni and fans, we cannot accept anything less than a competitive and successful program. We have the resources; we need to use them.

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Bob Thompson 2 years, 10 months ago

I don't understand how we can go from almost beating the #25 team in the country, to loosing by almost 60 points to the next team we play.... This isn't the first time this has happened under HCTG.... We must have some talent to be able to play well for some games. At this point I am hoping for Missouri to blow us out 60-0 so we can get this joker out of here and move on to a real coach....

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Jo Ann Ortgies Stork 2 years, 10 months ago

With all the venom coming from the arm chair critics, why would anyone want to come to KU as a coach or a player? Negativitiy breads negativity. The Big XII changed complexion when it went to 10 teams---play them all every year. If Kansas is going to have a chance in football we need to get back to 12 teams or even 14 like the SEC. (note that teams in the SEC will play every team approximately every 4-5 years) So long as we stay @ 10 teams we will continue to allow the power teams to control KU and our destiny.

From day one, most have shown no faith or support in our team. No we are not a Texas or Oklahoma---but remember their power was not built overnight. To expect instant success is as successful as building a house on the sand @ the beach. Yes, I want us successful; however, I also want not to be in the same league as all the teams who have recently had scandals within their program.

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ShockHawk10 2 years, 10 months ago

I don't believe that anyone is expecting "instant success". What we fans and alumni expect is not to be taken back to the dark ages of KU football (Terry Allen's tenure). Mangino built a winning program, a culture of winning at KU. Expectations were high but realistic during Mangino's time at KU. Win 6 to 8 games a year and go to a bowl. This was the state of the program when Gill took over. Yes, we were coming off of a down year, but what Gill has done over the past two years is unacceptable. As a team we have shown little to no improvement in every aspect of the game. Our coaches are being out coached and schemed week-in-and-week-out. The worst part of this entire equation is our players are playing with a lack of basic fundamentals (wrapping up when tackling) and a lack of passion. This is on the coaching staff. This needs to be remedied before it completely destroys our program. Finally, no, we are not Oklahoma or Texas, but expecting anything less is pathetic. Yes, it takes time, but if you do not have high expectations for your program, then we will continue to remain mediocre at best. I long for the feeling on Saturdays that I had when Mangino was on the sideline; a feeling of optimism, of hope, of expecting to win. That feeling has been filled with dread, sadness, and embarrassment. This needs to be corrected now! High expectations lead to success. I expect nothing but greatness from KU football! RCJH!

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SCJayhawker 2 years, 10 months ago

Gill and the rest of the brain trust are done! No competitiveness, No fire. No improvement.

The thought that some big name coach like Leach is going to come into this train wreck of a program with no indoor practice facility is a joke. Our only hope is to get some no name guy like Synider was so long ago, who has the fire, desire, and brains to right the ship. Not sure who that is but they have to be out there somewhere. Until that happens we can continue to watch KU make fools of themselves and Jayhawk Nation.

We have one huge pie in the face coming next Saturday against Mo. The finial boarder war game against our hated rivials Mo. Mo. will give us one finial slap in the face as they bow out of the Big 12 and prace off to the SE Confrence. KU will look like deer in the headlights (AGAIN) as the Tigers skip off the field taunting us after kicking our butts for the finial time.

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bville_hawk 2 years, 10 months ago

KU has had an indoor practice facility for several years, the big building just west of Allen Field House.

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cowboy 2 years, 10 months ago

Do the right thing Turner , negotiate a smaller buyout and leave. Or you can hang around and be a total loser hanger on just in it for the dough.

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pepper_bar 2 years, 10 months ago

KU doesn't have a negotiating leg to stand on; Gill's contract is guaranteed.

You don't negotiate with your opponent after you gamble and lose. KU would be highly dishonorable were they to even suggest that.

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bad_dog 2 years, 10 months ago

As if continuing to accept your salary when you field dismal, incompetent performances one after another is honorable? Yes you can re-negotiate after losing. Parties to lawsuits sometimes do that in exchange for forgoing appeals-especially if the amount of a judgment is subject to reduction.

In this case, Gill could resign rather than be terminated for incompetence in exchange for agreeing not to accept the final year of his compensation. Not saying it will ever happen, but if Gill is as highly principled as he would like us to believe, even he would have to agree he has been overpaid given the results we've seen. Why Perkins paid him this much has always mystified me. If you're going to pay him 2 million, make it 1 million in salary and the rest in the form of incentives. That was either insanity by Perkins or intent to harm KU. I can't figure out which, but it really doesn't matter right now.

Speaking of lawsuits, frankly I'd like to sue Lew Perkins for gross negligence and breach of fiduciary trust and Gill for fraudulent misrepresentation of a head football coach.

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pepper_bar 2 years, 10 months ago

You obviously know a lot about football.

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bad_dog 2 years, 10 months ago

You obviously know a lot about negotiations-not.

I didn't say any of the above would occur. I merely opined that if someone is as honorable as they profess, how could they continue accepting payment without ignominy?

Stick to condiments-something you may better understand.

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pepper_bar 2 years, 10 months ago

You're charmingly naïve. I honestly hope my company gets to negotiate with your company someday.

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bad_dog 2 years, 9 months ago

Me too! I'd love for you to have the opportunity to demonstrate your haughtiness and creative limitations in a more public forum.

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LngTimeFan 2 years, 10 months ago

Gill asked the team to "believe". Well I believe Gill is a huge mistake as a coach, and he has to go ASAP. What an embarassment for a great school. He is incompetent, inept, and looks totally lost on the sideline. Same for his assistants. No wonder the players don't know what to do, the coach's don't. Pay him off and get someone in who knows what they are doing.

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Jayhawker111 2 years, 10 months ago

I cannot believe that Gill did not switch quarterbacks.

You have to try anything to generate a spark.

Webb is like a deer in the headlights.

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LogicMan 2 years, 10 months ago

It's obvious to me that Coach Gill is an honorable guy, and that he will do the right thing. Unless he has an outstanding recruiting class coming in, including some great JuCo players for adding seniority, this will be his last year - he'll admit defeat, resign without a big payout, and get another job that's a better fit. Maybe as a quarterbacks coach in the NFL? Do the Chiefs need one for next year? That would be convenient for Turner since he wouldn't need to move.

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pepper_bar 2 years, 10 months ago

Another poster thinking Gill will "resign without a big payout."

His guaranteed payout if he's fired after this season is six million dollars. Please explain the logic behind Gill negotiating that figure down.

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Orangedog87 2 years, 10 months ago

Agree. Gill knows if he leaves Ks he may not get another head coaching job again and if he does he is not going to be making the money he is now. Also he is in his 50s, I think. So I dont see a person in that situation voluntarily walking away from $6 million guranteed.

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LogicMan 2 years, 10 months ago

Because he is of excellent character. Sad that this needs to be explained.

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pepper_bar 2 years, 10 months ago

You obviously have a keen understanding of how contract negotiations work.

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LogicMan 2 years, 10 months ago

A lawyer, I presume. Fortunately Coach Gill is an honorable guy, and not one to milk an unfortunate situation because of a piece of paper.

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08Jayhawk 2 years, 10 months ago

Tired of everyone saying KU is just a basketball school. Unfortunately, this label will never go away because it is true. It's not because the fans don't care about football, it's because we are so incredibly uncompetitive that it's not even worth watching. Gill needs to go and should have been fired immediately after this embarrassment of a game. This would have sent a message that losing in this manner is unacceptable and maybe would have lit a fire under our team for the Border War. Instead, Gill probably gave a pep talk about how everyone is a winner for playing for hard, regardless what the scoreboard says. We need to bring in a proven coach next year, that everyone (fans, alumni, students) can rally behind and trust to re-build our football program over the next 3-4 years. Leach would be perfect, plus I imagine he would love playing Texas Tech every year. Those who say he wouldn't be interested are wrong. Why wouldn't he? No pressure (win 1 conference game and you have Gill beat), would automatically be loved by all of Jayhawk nation for even taking the job, and since he's a proven coach he would be guaranteed the 4 years or so to re-build our program (which Gill won't get because no one believes he can).

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Kyle Sybesma 2 years, 10 months ago

KU needs to establish the "We'll Give Up On Football and Stick to Basketball" Football Conference

Eastern Divsion: Duke North Carolina Maryland UConn Syracuse Indiana

Western Division: Kansas Kentucky Memphis UCLA Arizona New Mexico

Not sure if we could even be competitive in this league

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142466 2 years, 10 months ago

Nice. Your assignment, should you accept it, is to come up with a "give up on basketball, stick to football" league. And no school should be allowed to be a member of both leagues.

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Kyle Sybesma 2 years, 10 months ago

Accepted. This proved to be a little more difficult since most schools have shown periods of basketball success. But here it is. The "We'll Give Up on Basketball and Stick To Football" Basketball Conference.

Eastern Division LSU Georgia Miami Florida State Penn State Virginia Tech Alabama (They're good this year but the coach will get a better job and they'll be the same ole Alabama)

Western Division Nebraska Boise State TCU Iowa Auburn Oregon (I know they got a new arena)

Most football programs make enough money to fund a respectable basketball team.

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142466 2 years, 10 months ago

Thanks. Most all members of your "football only" league are charter, permanent, members.

LSU. Now that's fascinating outfit. Couldn't even win any BB games when they had Pete Maravich. Of course, Pete was sort of a team in and of himself. Will he get at least 50 tonight? That's what most people cared about. His dad was the LSU coach, one of the sport's first "package deals".

A dude calling himself Dale Brown purportedly experienced considerable BB coaching success at LSU, but I'm not sure if any of his wins survived NCAA investigation. He was a rare bird, Baton Rouge being his natural habitat.

Iowa is the least loyal member. They've threatened to bolt several different times but, in the end, always came to their senses.

Long ago KU and Iowa met on the BB court somewhat regularly.

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MinnesotaJay 2 years, 10 months ago

Gill is gone. Done deal. It is written.

Expensive to get rid of him? Yep, but even more expensive to keep him.

Admit that the mistake of bringing him in was a big one, hopefully the last in a series of mistakes, and move on.

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stanleys 2 years, 10 months ago

This entire season has been a complete joke. As bad as it was I really wished Ga Tech, K-state, OSU and A&M would of let there 1st teamers score 80 or 90 points on us!!!! That way it would be a no-brainer for SZ. WOW this is just too much. I haven't seen a team so poorly organized in my life. And what effort???? If we had any effort at all by the coaches AND players these "blowouts" wouldn't happen week after week. The coaching staff lost this team many weeks ago!!! Take a look what Snyder and his staff does week after week after week!!!!

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Andy Tweedy 2 years, 10 months ago

I don't totally agree with you on this. I think "most" of our players continue to play hard, but I do completely agree that the team seems "disorganized." I have found myself questioning the effort on the o-line at times though. And I've said this before, comparing anybody to Snyder is unfair to the anybody. That dude is a legend. But I get the logic. Paul Rhodes has yet to get better players than KU, but he sure does more with them.

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Andy Tweedy 2 years, 10 months ago

It took me a couple months, but I think it's time for a change. Regardless, I hate that I feel that way. The great college programs have incredible stability in coaching, and this won't help. Glen Mason always wanted another job. Terry Allen and Turner Gill were in over their heads. Mark Mangino, for whatever reason, couldn't get along with the AD. To me, Leach and Tressel aren't coming here, and Venables already turned down his alma mater, so I can't see why he'd come to their rival. I think it's time to find someone with Kansas ties who would be a credible hire and wouldn't use us as a stepping stone. The name that immediately comes to mind is Nolan Cromwell. Can anybody else think of someone, maybe not from Kansas but at least from the region, that might be interested in this job?

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FightnMangino64 2 years, 9 months ago

I just read this name in another article this weekend. Bill Young. Good guy and a good coach, and has ties to KU

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vd 2 years, 10 months ago

Clint Bowen for $300k per year for 5 years, with incentives. 300k for bowl game, and 800k for conference championship, 500k for national championship.

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shelleysue 2 years, 10 months ago

I can't say no to that enough times. When he was at KU, fans wanted him out pretty much every week.

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mustlehustle 2 years, 10 months ago

Let's go have some beers and drown our sorrows...isn't it Pinkel's turn to drive?

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irvan moore 2 years, 10 months ago

hopefully if/when they make an offer to a qualified football coach with a record of success they won't insult him and offer him less than tg.

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142466 2 years, 10 months ago

KU's all-time football record is in danger of soon falling below .500.

Gill has earned one distinction. In only two years, he will have contributed more to that downward trend than other KU coaches with much longer tenures.

In Gill's defense, I want to reiterate something that a poster on this thread stated. That is that the complete round robin 10 team league schedule that Gill had to face this year is immensely more difficult than the 2 division, 12 team league schedule that he thought he was signing on to. The 9 game league schedule is a brutal obstacle for whoever is our new coach.

The greatest contribition that our A. D. could possibly make to K.U. sports is to get the league back to at least 12 teams. All the member schools are going to have to present a united front against UT to accomplish that.

Snyder's magic act at KSU this year may well be his best performance yet. He played all 9 league members. A far cry from the cup cake schedules he wisely crafted in his early KSU days.

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142466 2 years, 10 months ago

Are you referring to John Zook, from Garden City, member of KU's 1969 Orange Bowl team, long-time NFL player, and one time assistant coach with the KC Chiefs, or Ron Zook, current head FB coach of the Illini?

I don't know what John Zook is doing these days. Are John and Ron related?

Hoedl's name used to surface as a possible KU football coach whenever KU's football program would find itself in a predicament similar (but not as dire) to what we now face. Hoedl always declined. Wise.

Anybody know what Nolan Cromwell's doing these days?

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milwaukeeJAYHAWK 2 years, 10 months ago

John Zook was born in Garden, but hails from Larned. Both he and Gary Patterson (TCU) played at Larned High School. John and my dad played on the same team back in early 60s.

Not sure what John is up to these days.

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142466 2 years, 10 months ago

My apologies to John Hadl, for misspelling his name. Hadl and Cromwell were great, versatile athletes. Two of my favorite players.

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jrbill67 2 years, 10 months ago

This is the worst coached college football team I've ever seen.

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Jeff Soisson 2 years, 10 months ago

I was stunned by the apathy of the KU team, this is the worst KU team I have ever seen since 86. Fire Gill, and tell the defensive players to earn their scholorships or leave.

Hire Leach and end this fiasco. Leach has a chip on his shoulder and won't accept failure.

Turner is a great man, but we need a great football coach sooner than later.

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NebraskanJayhawk152 2 years, 10 months ago

Honestly I think if and when we get rid of Gill, I think we should go after Bill Young. His defense is the reason we made the Orange Bowl and won. He had a great stints at KU and if the price is right i think he would come back as a Head Coach. Chuck Long isn't doing to bad with the offense, but Bill Young could do some good things, maybe Venables or Leach too.

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CheneyHawk 2 years, 10 months ago

The best coaching/advice for KU I heard on Sat was from D Lawrence on the radio broadcast. This season has wore me out...

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MinnesotaJay 2 years, 10 months ago

Mangino!

Everybody's Coach of the Year (everybody's, including his peers) following the Orange Bowl victory. Heck, even the players were recruiting for KU. He built the program up from practically nothing. When he first arrived, he was even scrubbing down the walls in the locker room. Not to mention that he was also far more articulate and informative in press briefings than the present gift recipient successor.

There was steady, year after year improvement. Nobody will ever convince me that the mid-season collapse of the team in his final year (but, to nowhere near the depths the current team has spiralled down to) wasn't related to his being undermined by Jerkins.

Was he perfect? Who is? He admits as much. But, KU was his first head coaching experience at the D1 level; so, he was learning. And, after only a few years of learning, he achieved great things.

Not to go to him now is like Custer in 'Little Big Man.' "But, that would require the reversal of a Custer decision." Yeeeessss, it would.

Do it. It's the big man who can admit his mistakes, and KU needs to be the big man now.

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bville_hawk 2 years, 10 months ago

Mack Brown and Bob Stoops are clearly not living up to expectations as their current positions, maybe we could pick up one of them on the cheap?

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142466 2 years, 10 months ago

Mack Brown won't accept the job no matter how high the offer, because he'd be expected to actually do something at KU in exchange for his pay checks.

Sounds like you're tuned into the saga of the Stoops clan. Me, too. I've tuned in ever since I learned that Mrs. Stoops is a featured attraction at Mary Kay conventions. I guess "conventions" is what they call those gatherings. And Marry Kay assemblages are no longer held in tents, so I've been told in no uncertain terms. Truely a power couple, the Stoops.

Speaking of power couples, whatever happened to the Eustays formerly of Ames, Iowa. Larry led a properly balanced coach's life. There was more to him than just work, work, work. And his wife, a perfectly compatible soul mate. Her name was Stacey Eustacey and she led the Cyclone cheerleading crew. I have nothing but utmost respect for cheerleaders. No reason why one of them can't someday become Prez of these United States.

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