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Tuesday, December 15, 2009

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Turner Gill hiring follows a KU trend

Turner Gill coaches Buffalo against Kent State in this file photo from November 28, 2008, in Amherst, N.Y. Gill will be introduced as Kansas University’s head coach at a news conference today.

Turner Gill coaches Buffalo against Kent State in this file photo from November 28, 2008, in Amherst, N.Y. Gill will be introduced as Kansas University’s head coach at a news conference today.

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Turner Gill is officially the new head coach of KU football.

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Kansas Head Football Coach Turner Gill

Turner Gill was named the head coach of the Kansas football team Sunday, December 15, 2009.

They’re all pretty much the same, you know.

Introductory news conferences inevitably contain bubbly remarks about the new hire, glowing optimism from the new man and a smattering of enamored boosters scattered among the media cameras and tape recorders.

So it was Monday when Turner Gill was introduced as Kansas University’s newest football coach.

This was the ninth time I’ve attended a media session introducing a new KU football coach, and it never ceases to amaze me the euphoria a fresh face generates.

Everyone believes this is THE guy. This is the man who will turn the KU football roller-coaster into a motor speedway. This is the fellow who will transform the Jayhawks into a gridiron dynasty.

The flame has been rekindled. Just because no one ever has done it before doesn’t mean it can’t happen. On Mount Oread, Potter Lake is always half-full, never half-empty.

Meanwhile, those of us who have watched the Kansas football Mamba closely over the years can’t help but notice how a trend has developed involving the make-up of the designee.

No need to go way back, so let’s start with Bob Valesente, who headed the program in the late 1980s.

Valesente was a nice guy, a man who knew football, but didn’t realize the importance of recruiting. And when, after two years, it was clear the program was tanking, they said Valesente was too soft, that the Jayhawks needed a tough guy.

They secured one in Glen Mason, an Ohio State alumnus who had played under the legendary Woody Hayes and coached just like him. No one ever accused Mason of being too soft. Mason was no Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm.

When Mason left for a parallel position at Minnesota, few people around here wrung their hands in dismay. Mason’s gruff act had worn thin, and thus it was deemed appropriate to bring in another nice guy.

Enter Terry Allen, who immediately wowed everyone with his friendliness and charm. Wife Lynn was dynamite, too. Both became involved in community affairs and were beloved among the gentry.

Allen had been a success at Northern Iowa, but it soon became apparent he had climbed one level too high. The highly competitive, money-driven Big 12 Conference basically chewed Allen up and spit him out.

Time for another tough guy. Enter Mark Mangino, a man without head-coaching experience, but one who knew the Big 12 and, after a couple of lean years using Allen’s talent, guided KU to the Promised Land — the magical 12-1 season in 2007.

But, like so many other KU coaches before him, Mangino couldn’t sustain the excellence and was forced to resign amid allegations he had treated his players like they were Marine Corps recruits.

In essence, though, Mangino simply had worn out his welcome.

Now, not surprisingly, the pendulum has swung to another good guy, a man of high character and impeccable moral values — the quintessential players’ coach.

Turner Gill says he wants to stay on the Kansas sideline for 15 to 20 years. More power to him. Who’s to say he won’t? All that stands in his way is history.

Comments

100 4 years, 8 months ago

The man has three national championships as an assistant coach....

The man mentioned 6 priorities in his introduction...

3 of them were "recruit".....

He intends to build a dynasty...

Here...

In Lawrence...

He even mentioned the phrase "play for a national championship"....

He has a recruiting pipeline in Texas like the pipes that go through your hands (called arteries & veins)...

Coach Gill means business, Chuck...

We've never had facilities like these until a few months ago...

Neither has the rest of the big 12...

You forgot to mention those "other" parts....

Grow up, Chuck Woodling...

Grow up.

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100 4 years, 8 months ago

Chuck -- it would help if you would read one of your coworkers stories (fresh off the press, I just picked it up)...

Dugan Arnett says about Gill, "who has twice been named one of the nation’s top-10 recruiters, Gill’s resume, both as a player and coach, is enough to impress even the staunchest skeptic."

Top 10 recruiter? You seriously forgot that point, Chuck -- especially since you were trying to put him in the same boat with Valesenta -- who as you said forgot to recruit!!!!

Did you do any research for your editorial???

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David Leathers 4 years, 8 months ago

100 - L-O-motha-freakin-L (LOL).

I like....

A lot....

Grow up Chuck! Get a life....

or better yet,....

find a job in Manhattan...

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Tribehawk 4 years, 8 months ago

Yeah, I think the biggest flaw in logic here is that you could make the same conclusion/observation about any coach KU hired after Mangino. Just because Gill isn't "harder" than Mangino doesn't mean he's soft. Heck, there probably isn't a D1 coach in the country that's "harder" than Mangino... if by "hard" you mean "abusive." It's unfair to call Gill soft based solely on a prior pattern created at KU by people other than Gill and Perkins. The best evidence comes from the mouths of the kids Gill himself has coached, and word out of Buffalo is that although he's a player's coach, Gill is anything but soft.

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Hawk1969 4 years, 8 months ago

Chuck--so you've seen 'em come and you've seen 'em go. So have I.

This hire, however, has a totally unique feel to it. Unlike the three coaches prior to Gill, KU football has fan support. Okay, Mangino had support after the '07 season, but quickly lost support due to mediocrity. For four seasons ('06, '07, '08, and '09) the table was all but set for KU to perch atop the Big XII North and play for a conference title. '07 was as close as Mangino could get. Gill has a conference championship on his resume at a Division 1 program. Of course it was at Buffalo, but I recall a coach by the name of Bill Snyder who accomplished a similar feat at a program much like the one Gill left behind.

Gill has that "it" factor to him. Mason was boring and came off as "stupid"; Allen was a guy you wanted to hug; Mangino came off as being smug and cold. Gill made me want to suit up and play for him on the spot.

I've seen 'em come and go just like you. Gill is a different man, and a difference maker. He inspires young men to be more than football players and does it with encouragement and mentoring. GREAT HIRE for Ol' KU.

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Hawk1969 4 years, 8 months ago

ps. Great job of playing devil's advocate Chuck. You are a journalist!

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Dan Pawlowski 4 years, 8 months ago

Hawk1969, I second that. Good Job Chuck.

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perhar 4 years, 8 months ago

Don't understand the Chuck attacks. He's pointing out that the hiring has followed predictably reactionary motives, which they have. And he's right, not only about the hiring patterns - which are similar in a lot of places - but also about how the pressers are always the same. He's not saying gill will fail, he's just pointing out a fact; Gill was hired in part because he was not Mangino, which means he's on paper a great guy.

I'm not sold on Gill, but hopefully his ability to recruit, and his strong coordinator hires will lead to continued success.

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100 4 years, 8 months ago

Hawk1969,

I'm glad you see the obvious "it" factor with Gill -- kids will line up to play for this guy...

Also, do you seriously think Chuck is "playing" the Devil's advocate or does he really believe what he has written here?

When I used to work for the paper, opinion was supposed to come from the heart & be as true as one could make it, while showing "why" your view is "the view"...

To me Chuck just comes off as a guy who didn't do his research & typed out a sloppy article in 5 minutes or less.

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Bill Kackley 4 years, 8 months ago

I have never been a chuck basher but this was pure dribble.

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Dirk Medema 4 years, 8 months ago

Mason never got the admin/faciliy backing, and Allen never recruited D1 players. Neither was a problem for Mangino. Too bad he fell into the category of good assistants that didn't make the transition to good head coaches - inspite of the OB success.

Fortunately, Turner seems to have all the pieces in place.

Rock Chalk

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Waylon Cook 4 years, 8 months ago

Dagger do you think Mangino didn't change KU football? He may not have been the greatest coach but he was damn good. When Gil gives us a 12-1 season. Please PM me!

A good presser doesn't mean results. I pray he does good.

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prairie_dog 4 years, 8 months ago

Thank you for a splash of the cold water of reality among the kool-aid drinkers of KU nation.

Just two questions: when Coach Gill says he is "patient", does that mean he will tolerate players not carrying out their assignments--like this year, for instance? If they repeatedly make the same mistakes, will he tolerate losing or start "manginoing" the offending players?

We all hope Coach Gill is THE coach we have been looking for. It's been 50 years for me--I'm ready. I am very hopeful and very skeptical.

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Pbbut 4 years, 8 months ago

On the surface there appears to be nothing to argue about, but I believe the context has changed significantly. Kansas fans and some very generous donations have made it clear they want a football team that will compete at the top of the conference and Lew Perkins is the AD. To view this hire without including these factors ignores reality. Tough Guy>Nice Guy>Tough Guy etc. Way too simplistic.

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5DecadeHawk 4 years, 8 months ago

Take a look in the mirror, Chuck Woodling.

All of the historical complaints you are crying about, you have promoted, Chuckles!!!

Look in the mirror.

The Lawrence Journal World Tabloid has a long history of attacking KU Athletics at every opportunity. You personally, Chuckhead, have been one of the primary instigators trying to sway public opinion against every single coach you mentioned. As often as possible the Lawrence Journal Inquirer attempts to twist and distort everything KU in a negative light.

Look in the mirror Chuck.

Hey Chuck?

Remember back in the '80's? I do.

I remember when you said KU didn't have the resources, fanbase, alumni base or the desire to ever win more than 20 games a season except once or twice a decade. REMEMBER THAT CHUCK?

What a crock. How can you live in Lawrence for all these years and still not understand the simple basics of what it means to be a resident?

How many times does Chuck Woodling have to be proven completely uninformed, uneducated, blind, biased, and irresponsible before he gets fired? OHHHH NOOOO... that would go against history. That might actually be benefital to the community. That might actually cause people who work at the LJW to think about acting responsibly. The Editorial Philosphy of the LJW ownership would never allow that to happen.

Look in the mirror Chuck.

Here it is all happening again. Chuck Woodling is pissed. There is a good moment happening where perhaps KU Football may improve itself further. Along comes Chucklehead to claim that Lawrence and KU are the problem with another rendition of his old tired out refrain. "Lawrence just isn't good enough. KU can't be successful. Everyone should just quit trying."

I've got news for you Chuckles... Lawrence is a great town. KU is a great University. There are a great many people working extremely hard to make Lawrence and KU better every single day. It's sad that you are unwilling to recognize that.

Look in the mirror.

KU Football is improving and wants to be consistently competitive for championships. Your bitter angry tunnelvision has completely blinded you Chuckles. You have never been part of it. You have never embraced it. It's not exactly surprising. What person trying to improve Lawrence and KU wants to spend any time with someone that has nothing but Doom and Gloom surrounding himself?

Go back to Mizery where you belong Chuckles. The entire community of Lawrence will get an upgrade when you, Keegan, and the LJW ownership are run out of this town for being the embarrassment that you are.

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DB Ashton 4 years, 8 months ago

I go back to Chuck Mather and while Mr Woodling is correct that this hire represents a hope for something entirely different, what change wouldn't?

What's more to the point is that it's clear no experienced, proven winner was interested in the Kansas job, regardless of KU's now top-notch facilities and generous compensation -- and there was about a handful of obvious candidates. Further, one would have believed that Mr Perkins was desperate for a home-run hire; a bellwether of controversy, Perkins will prosper or hang on the success or failure of Turner Gill.

No one can better value the Kansas job than the coaching fraternity and this result speaks volumes. The first tier was not interested. My guess is that Mr Perkins discovered this weeks ago, to his surprise and dismay, and I can’t imagine he’s happy today. (I’d think he could have signed the likes of Turner Gill the day after Coach Mangino resigned.)

Mr Gill may do well; one certainly hopes so. But today he's nothing more than modestly attractive potential. One wonders why he was perceived as a clearly superior choice to Nolan Cromwell, for instance.

Oh well, it's all a bit silly. Mack Brown just got a raise to more than $5 million, plus bonuses, while Texas is laying off faculty and staff.

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Dyrk Dugan 4 years, 8 months ago

right on 5decade! it is time for Chuck to go. Surely the Missourian has a job...or he can prof at Moo....be a consultant. as much negative stuff he writes about Kansas, he would fit right in.

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FSUJHAWK 4 years, 8 months ago

This article has certainly done good for the author and his employer. It has stirred emotion, caused readership and facilitated debate. With that said it is probably a success for the aforementioned subjects. In my mind the measurement of a successful journal article of this nature is "will it aid in the success of HCTG?" "Will more articles and debate of this nature assist and are they even fair?" I'm not sure, but one thing I can say is that HCTG has everything he needs to be successful here at KU, EXCEPT, the full support of the fanbase, alumni and some of our local media! I realize FREEDOM of the press and speech are not only fundamental rights but also critical in our NATION'S development. Hopefully we'll all offer HCTG the FREEDOM to build this program into what it deserves to be. HISTORY has proven that certain freedoms have been used to undermine the greater good for selfish reasons. Hopefully the local media has not and will not go down in KANSAS' HISTORY as conspirator and culprit in the debacle of the Jayhawk NATION!

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kugrad93 4 years, 8 months ago

Some people are really thin skinned. I didn't read this as an attack at all. He's simply pointing out a pattern -- which I also had noticed -- that KU has bounced back and forth from good cop/bad cop type coaches.

People also need to get over the fact that Chuck went to Mizzou more than 30 years ago. Who cares? He was there for two years (after transferring from a juco). He's been in Lawrence for more than 30 years.

Not every journalist who covers KU is going to be a KU graduate. It just doesn't work that way. I know KU grads who are sports editors and sports reporters ho live in Detroit, Vegas, Florida, Pittsburgh and a lot of other markets. Should we make them all come back and cover KU so that they aren't biased against the schools they cover? Please. Nevermind that there aren't nearly enough jobs in this market. I even know one KU grad who covers K-State. Gasp. He also writes fair and balanced stories because that's what good reporters do.

Chuck is columnist who offers his opinions. The fact that he went to Mizzou for two years more than three decades ago has nothing to do with this column. He's lived in Lawrence longer than most of you and at least one of his kids is a KU grad.

Get over it.

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5DecadeHawk 4 years, 8 months ago

It's one thing for Chuckles to have an opinion about a pattern.

It is something completely different for Chuckles to be a crybaby about a pattern that he has openly encouraged and done whatever he can to help create.

Weirdling is complaining about himself in many ways in this article.

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gongs4ku 4 years, 8 months ago

Chuck makes some interesting evaluations. Luckily, the predictive value of history is not especially robust in cases like this.

We'll all just have to wait and see. I do like that this coach seems to be a man of integrity and someone who won't make disparaging racial comments (though I suppose one should never assume).

If we lose a lot of games like we did this year, then at least we'll have someone who knows how to conduct himself like an adult at the helm. To me that's important.

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halogenlamps 4 years, 8 months ago

I am normally a Woodling hater, but I actually liked this article. I wish Woodling would give his take on the other 5 football coaches he has seen ushered in at the University of Kansas.

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pan65 4 years, 8 months ago

While I don't normally agree with Woodling's articles either, I think Woodling's comments in this article are spot on. If all of you would believe a few comments at a first press conference is the second coming then I've got a bridge I would like to sell you. Politicians make the same kind of promises...let's wait and see some results. We still don't have anyone in Rivals top 100 recruiting class even interested in KU.

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Christopher Johnson 4 years, 8 months ago

Hope the "nice guy" thing works out ok. Herm Edwards was a nice guy and players coach . . .

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chalky 4 years, 8 months ago

Teams eventually take the personality of thier leadership. Ditka's bears, Landry's cowboys, Shula's dolphins...ect. I hear character expressed alot as coach Turner Gills leading attribute.

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billhawk 4 years, 8 months ago

Best article I've read from you in a long while. Puts things in perspective.

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TRUEHEART 4 years, 8 months ago

This is just typical Woodling. He has always been the first to turn on us and jump on anything negative about Jayhawk players or coaches and try to drag them through the mud. Most of all, he is noted for writing two column articles that add up to zero. He has obviously accumulated enough tenure that he can continue to exist as an irrelevant ink eater.

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4everahawk 4 years, 8 months ago

Chuck, people hate the truth - especially in athletics. Most people who are just spectators and not involved with athletics live in la la land and behind their rose colored glasses. They are so blinded by the 'aura' of KU successes (bb) that they refuse to see the truth. Keep writing good articles.

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beenahawk 4 years, 8 months ago

Halogen...those other four would have been Fam volume I, Moore, Fam volume 2 and Gottfried. Players coach Fam, COMPLETE JERK in Moore, back to Fam, then a combo jerk/players coach in Mike G. That does not mean that Fam never lost his temper or that Moore didn't have cuddly moments.

Fambrough was by far the best recruiter I have seen in watching KU through the years. A bunch of NFL caliber talent, especially in his first go-round. Moore didn't have a clue and Gottfried went so far JUCO that Val had nothing in the cupboard when he took the handoff. Gill's not getting an empty cupboard and I have a feeling that when he and the staff start looking at tap[e and then see the kids, they are going to wonder how the heck we lost seven straight!

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kureader 4 years, 8 months ago

It's probably not easy to dream up a clever, "eye catching" article every day. I've certainly read worse articles. But, have you ever witnessed the introduction of any new coach in any sport at any school where the fans weren't optmistic and hopeful? They're fans! The glass is always half full. What do you expect, Chuck? But, you're certainly right about whether he'll be around 15 years from now ... history isn't on his side. Of course, if YOUR salary just went up 8X, you'd want to stay for awhile too.

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blackhawkjayhawk 4 years, 8 months ago

Chuck is right....we have a history of hiring by pendulum. You can't argue the facts, reactionary hiring has been the bane of KU football since I attended in the mid-80's.

The simple question is: Will Turner Gill break the mold?

I think that he will because of a key word from one of the earlier posts: character. You can be a player's coach if you coach your players to act and play with character. It's interesting that the fball/bball brawl took place under our "bad cop" coach.

You don't have to look far at KU to find a successful coach who might be considered a player's coach. One hint: he won a national championship recently.

TG can definitely break the mold at KU. He doesn't seem as soft as Terry Allen and he's definitely not like Maniac Mangino.

I think that Lew may have hit the homerun that long-time KU fans have been hoping for.

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Layne Pierce 4 years, 8 months ago

Good cop, bad cop, Chuch, yes, so true, but you forgot one important difference. Each coach had to work with ADs and with facilities, and with program investment.

That is why I believe that TG is not just woofin when he says we are shooting for a team that wins every year, and then we're going where no KU football program has ever gone before.

Nothing is easy, nor is it impossible. We are limited only by our willingness to invest, and sacrifice, and the limitations we put on ourselves.

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jhokfan 4 years, 8 months ago

I don't think I will ever fully comprehend why so many KU fans feel compelled to criticize these stories. I didn't interpret it as a negative story or being critical of our new coach. I thought it was an interesting observation by someone who has been around long enough to know.

For those who find so much fault with the LJW staff, this is not the only source of information on KU sports. Perhaps you should consider another option.

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rkhawk 4 years, 8 months ago

I would say Woodling is spot on with this article. I was mad as heck when I first heard Turner Gill was the coach, I wanted Tuberville. I also realized I was getting upset over something I have no control over. Will Turner make it or not, I don't know, he does have some of the tools necessary and I do like the coaching staff so far. We will know in 2-3 years if we need to hire a new coach or not.

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kureader 4 years, 8 months ago

jhokfan, many of us read the hometown LJW because it carries more hometown and KU information than other sources. As for criticizing Woodling, maybe you didn't read his article? When the hometown sports reporter writes a cynical article poking fun at fans for repeatedly being positive and optimistic about a new coach, he (and you) should expect some criticism in return. In this case, who's being negative and critical? Woodling ... for being "amazed" at the euphoria over a new coach and that KU fans could hope that "this could be the guy". He's not bad writer, but in this case he wrote an article that one might expect to read in the Manhattan or Columbia newspaper, and he was rightly "dressed down" a bit for doing so.

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actorman 4 years, 8 months ago

jayhawkinnebr, winning a conference title and going 20-30 (18-20 after the first year) at a school that had gone 12-79 before he arrived and hadn't been to a bowl game in 50 years is not doing "all that good" (and nice grammar, by the way)???

I see you're in the "20-30" club -- that's how all of us who actually use our brains should refer to the lame-brained critics from now on.

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actorman 4 years, 8 months ago

And by the way, which "big time team in the big 12" are you referring to? I thought there was more than one.

Of course, how could someone who almost won a Heisman trophy and was an assistant for three national champions possibly understand what it's like to win in the Big XII?

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100 4 years, 8 months ago

It's fine that the premise of this article was "Mean Coaches win, Nice Coaches recruit, KU flips back & forth every hire."

Nothing wrong with the premise. There is a problem with not stepping up to the plate after you've made an assertion however... especially if you're a paid journalist with experience.

If that's Chuck's premise, & it's fine that's his premise, why not take it a step further & actually compare Pepper Rogers to Godfried to Valesente to Terry Allen to Turner Gill?

The reason this is important is because only one of these "Nice" coaches has a national championship ring: Turner Gill.

Another reason it's important is because only one of these nice coaches has two National Championship rings: Turner Gill.

Also, another reason this is important is because only one of these nice coaches has three national championship rings: Turner Gill.

That's not enough? OK, well then. Let's go down the list a bit more & see what we can scoop up, shall we?

NICE COACH CHECKLIST:

Only one of these nice coaches has worked as an assistant coach for an NFL team: Turner Gill (helping players such as Brett Farve at Green Bay)

Only two of these nice coaches has won a conference crown: Pepper Rogers & Turner Gill.

Only one of these nice coaches has been named a top ten (10) national recruiter: Turner Gill.

Only one of these nice coaches has been named a top ten (10) national recruiter twice: Turner Gill.

Only one of these nice coaches has been nominated as a finalist for assistant Coach of the Year: Turner Gill.

Only one of these nice coaches has exclusively coached & recruited a heisman trophy winner: Turner Gill.

In fact, speaking of "nice" things... how "nice" are championships???

How "nice" are dynasties?

Well, Tom Osbourne has some knowledge on this topic. Why not get a quote from Tom Osbourne, Chuck... when asked if he (Osbourne) "made" those mid 1990's dynasties happen (3 NCAA championships), here's what he said. This is a story from 1999:

"Without Turner Gill recruiting for us & coaching the quarterbacks his little instinctual tricks, we would not have won any of those national titles in the mid '90s. None. I firmly believe that with all of my heart. We would have been good, but no national championships. Turner Gill made it happen with his heart, his recruiting, his belief & his help with the quarterbacks. Turner's gift to us, in tandem with our unified team belief, coupled with the hard work of our units in practice, magnified by the undying devotion of our walk ons giving our first two teams double the repetitions, not to mention the ceaseless support of our assistant coaching staff those years, made those teams the focused & talented group that they were. We believed. And we were good, partially thanks to all the hard work. But, more than anyone, if I was to single out one person, it wouldn't be me. It was Turner Gill... his recruiting & leadership made all the difference."

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100 4 years, 8 months ago

Chuck -- I thought you'd find this interesting considering you're trying to put Valesente & the phrase "national champion" in the same sentence. The following is from the ESPN boards...

pensfan73595 (12/15/2009 at 11:12 AM) Report Violation:

I have had quit a few friends that played for Nebraska and when Callahan got fired we had a good discussion about who would be the next coach. One thing they all said about Turner was that he had this presence about him. You always knew when he walked into the locker room. EVERYBODY respected him. This was something they say Callahan NEVER came close to having and in fact the only other coach they could compare it to was Dr. Tom. Good Luck Turner and Congrats Kansas on a GREAT hire!

Btw...none of them knew Bo. So, relax Husker fans:)

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jhokfan 4 years, 8 months ago

kureader:

I gave the story a second glance and I’m still not seeing your point. My interpretation is that Woodling is being cynical over the hiring ritual. I thought the focal point of the story is about the back and forth trend regarding the type of coaches we are hiring. Even if the author is being critical, given our history I believe it would be incumbent upon him to do so. I’m not bothered when a local sportswriter writes something that is less than flattering about his or her local team. I think that’s what they are paid to do when it is called for. My point is about the constant criticizing of stories by all reporters on the LJW. If the brand of beer one chooses to drink gives him the runs, switch brands. Just saying.

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Eurekahwk 4 years, 8 months ago

What Mangino did at Kansas was unthinkable. He brought Kansas Football to the top without the benefit of great facilites or resources. But it's obvious that his tactics became worn and over the top. But what Turner Gill inherits is quite a bit different than any of the coaches before him. Kansas proved it can win at a high level. Gill has new facilities that are top of the line. And he inherits fans that actually care about the team now. And an AD who cares about the football team.

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daverinoku 4 years, 8 months ago

Is is SOOOOOOOOO tiresome to see all the Chuck bashing. If you guys don't like this writing then don't click on the link.

Reading your negativity takes enjoyment out of these boards.

Can't you just kick your dog instead?

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4everahawk 4 years, 8 months ago

Is '100' Gill's brother/father/sister? - Wow, you certainly seem to know an awful lot for a mere fan!

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4everahawk 4 years, 8 months ago

And, I agree with daverinoku - if you don't like what Chuck's opinions are, then read KCstar!

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100 4 years, 8 months ago

Thanks foreverahawk,

In my book, we're all brothers.

Can't wait to see the players Gill brings to town & I love the spirit of the Jayhawk that already resides in his soul (daughter going here & press conference tells me all I need to know about his Jayhawk loyalty).

Someone had mentioned 5 stars like palm trees?

(Well we have more palm trees than Nebraska, Notre Dame, Boise State, Ohio State combined)

(Except our palm trees are smaller (we call it wheat)...

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jhokfan 4 years, 8 months ago

I'm not bothered by the bashing I just find it curious that so many readers seem to have issues with the stories that are published by not just Woodling but pretty much the entire LJW staff. Wish I hadn't brought it up.

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Michael Leiker 4 years, 8 months ago

Nice job Woodling outlining and obvious trend...

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frid22 4 years, 8 months ago

I work with a man who played under Glen Mason on the Aloha Bowl team. He said Mason never did anything like Mangino was accused of and Mason was the best coach he ever played for and Mangino deserved what he got, so im not sure if we can lump Mason and Mangino together in the same "hard ass" category.

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100 4 years, 8 months ago

Frid22,

So if what your friend says is true, we have one "mean" coach in the history of KU football. So why was this article written?

I personally am very proud of what MM accomplished...

But I must say, as great as the Orange Bowl win was, I have never felt this much excitement around KU football, to know we have the ability to recruit any (any) athlete we choose.

And as great as that is, its even better that our players will be driven by pride, & not hiding from fear.

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Blake Post 4 years, 8 months ago

just balogna, and lot's of it.
There has been massive excitement around KU football before. I might mention the eras of Hadl, Sayers, Riggins, Jaynes, Cromwell, Seurer, Norseth, to name a few. I am also proud of what KU did with Mangino coaching, and feel loyalty to him. But whether Buffalo Gill is nice or not is likely quite a bit of an over-simplification. I dislike nebrasska intensely, but recognize that Buffalo Gill learned his football from Tom Osborne. That's all one really needs to say. Chuch Long impressed while at Iowa.

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BrockIII 4 years, 8 months ago

What Woodling is writing about is a common theme in football. Look at the Dallas Cowboys. You have Dave Campo, who is too soft on his players. He is followed by Parcells, who is too tough on the players. And now you have Wade, who is now chastised for being too player friendly. This is a constant with some organizations/programs.

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4everahawk 4 years, 8 months ago

Can someone at LJW put a limit on how long a post can be? 100 doesn't 'post' a thought - he writes chapters and chapters of rambling, self-righteous, know-it-all crap and obviously entertains himself with all this, believing all his own crap and disagreeing with EVERYONE else. I, for one, will be skipping over his stuff to read more interesting posts.

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