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Originally published December 3, 2009 at 06:36p.m., updated December 4, 2009 at 12:00a.m.

The end of an era: Mangino out at Kansas

Kansas head coach Mark Mangino walks off the field following the Jayhawks' 41-39 loss to Missouri, Saturday, Nov. 28, 2009 at Arrowhead Stadium.

Kansas head coach Mark Mangino walks off the field following the Jayhawks' 41-39 loss to Missouri, Saturday, Nov. 28, 2009 at Arrowhead Stadium.

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Mark Mangino resigned from the Kansas football team Thursday, Dec. 3, 2009.

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For a man known largely for his intensity and fire, Kansas University football coach Mark Mangino’s departure proved reasonably subtle.

With his days as the program’s leader clearly numbered, the embattled eighth-year coach resigned Thursday — less than three weeks after KU athletic director Lew Perkins, prompted by the allegations of a current player, launched an internal investigation into the coach’s treatment of players.

On a day rife with rumors and speculation — including false reports of a 4 p.m. KU news conference — the actual announcement proved rather anticlimactic in nature.

Perkins held a 6:30 p.m. meeting with players and assistant coaches Thursday at the Anderson Family Football Complex to inform them of Mangino’s decision to step down — though, by that point, news of the coach’s departure had already made the rounds through cyberspace.

Around 6:40, the university issued a release in which it indicated the coach and the university had reached an agreement on a buyout that would pay Mangino an undisclosed portion of the roughly $6.6 million he was set to make through 2012. According to the contract, Mangino would have been owed all of his remaining money if he were fired without cause, though he would receive nothing if he were fired with cause.

As part of the agreement, the details of the settlement and the investigation will remain confidential.

Speaking briefly with the media Thursday night, Perkins praised the program’s progress under Mangino — who finishes with a 50-48 career record at KU, two wins shy of A.R. Kennedy’s school record for victories — but balked at the notion that the coach had been pushed out by the university’s administration.

“I didn’t make a change,” Perkins said. “Coach resigned.”

Asked whether Mangino was given the option to stay, however, Perkins declined comment.

Thursday’s news marked the end of an arduous two-and-a-half-week stretch in which numerous players spoke out against the coach’s aggressive approach.

As allegations of Mangino’s mistreatment surfaced and losses piled up (the Jayhawks dropped their final seven games this season after starting 5-0), there was a strong sense that Mangino’s tenure in Lawrence had run its course. And as they exited the football complex Thursday night, players feigned no surprise at the news they’d just received.

“We kind of saw it coming,” junior defensive end Jake Laptad said.

For the most part, players declined to discuss the specifics of their experiences playing under Mangino, but many expressed relief that the investigation — which began following the team’s Nov. 14 loss to Nebraska — had reached a conclusion.

“Now, instead of sitting around and waiting and wondering what’s going to happen, we can take the steps necessary to rebound from the situation,” said defensive back Justin Thornton, an outgoing senior. “You can’t look at it as a negative thing. Change is inevitable. It’s just one of those things in life. It’s time for this program to move on.”

Current defensive coordinator Clint Bowen, receivers coach David Beaty and co-defensive coordinator/linebackers coach Bill Miller will share interim head coaching duties.

A number of former players, however, didn’t refrain from airing their concerns of verbal and physical abuse, the most recent of which involved photos provided to the Journal-World that depicted hand injuries sustained by former defensive lineman Cory Kipp after Mangino allegedly ordered the player to bear-crawl across an AstroTurf field in the summer of 2003.

The allegations were the latest in a career that was sprinkled with controversy.

During his first season in Lawrence, Mangino publicly apologized following an incident in which he was seen yelling and pointing a finger at high school officials following a Lawrence High football game in which his son, Tommy, had played quarterback.

Two years later, he made headlines for a postgame news conference in which he criticized officials for their performance in the Jayhawks’ narrow loss to Texas, and most recently, the Journal-World detailed a June 2007 incident in which the coach verbally abused a KU Parking & Transit employee who had issued the coach multiple parking tickets.

Despite the coach’s messy divorce with the university, however, it’s difficult to ignore the progress made under Mangino.

Following a rocky first year in 2002, in which Kansas finished 2-10 and 0-8 in the Big 12, the coach led the team to six or more victories in five of the next seven seasons.

The team’s most successful season under Mangino came in 2007, when — with an undersized rookie quarterback and a group of relative unknowns — the Jayhawks climbed as high as No. 2 in the national rankings before finishing 12-1 and beating Virginia Tech in the Orange Bowl. That year, Mangino was named the consensus national coach of the year and signed a contract extension the following summer that was to pay him $2.3 million annually through 2012 — making him the nation’s 13th-highest-paid coach at the time.

In 2008, Kansas finished 8-5, topping Minnesota in the Insight Bowl in a game that marked the first time in school history the program had gone to back-to-back bowl games.

As of Thursday night, Perkins said he hadn’t yet spoken with any potential replacements — “The job just became available at 5 o’clock tonight,” he said — but indicated he’d begin the search process this morning.

Much speculation has centered on Stanford’s Jim Harbaugh and Houston’s Kevin Sumlin. While at Connecticut, Perkins hired Skip Holtz and Randy Edsall, both of whom are on the national radar as promising coaching prospects. Holtz, now the East Carolina coach, is believed to be pursuing the Virginia vacancy.

What the future holds for Mangino remains less clear.

The coach wasn’t present for the meeting between Perkins and players and was unable to be reached for comment Thursday night.

In what would turn out to be his last public comments as head coach of the Kansas football team, Mangino did following last Saturday’s season-ending loss to Missouri what he’d done throughout much of the investigation: insisted that he was far from the monster he’d been made out to be by some former players.

“I’m one of the more pleasant people in college football,” he said, before making his way from the podium for the last time. “Trust me.”

Comments

jakzhumans 9 years, 10 months ago

No offense, but I think I'll wait for the official announcement at this point.

Clarence Haynes 9 years, 10 months ago

He can now go home and be with his homies!

bstuart 9 years, 10 months ago

It was just anounced on Sportscenter...its official

Aaron Carpenter 9 years, 10 months ago

Where can Mangino get a job now? I hope he sues Perkins for defamation. You will be missed Big Tuna.

pjdeanwag 9 years, 10 months ago

So long. Farewell. Now get us a good coach, Lew.

goob55ku 9 years, 10 months ago

He had 3 minutes to go with KU and he just took a safety. Game over!!!!!!!!!!!

thejhawk93 9 years, 10 months ago

I hope Lew plans to build an addition to the football complex so that the players can get facials and massages after practice now!! We wouldnt want any more of our players complaning about the way they were treated!!!

jayhawkinnc 9 years, 10 months ago

"Fat Man(gino) in a little coat!" ---Chris Farley in Tommy Boy

whiskers29 9 years, 10 months ago

Sad day at KU. Mangino got railroaded out of Larry. The grass is not always greener on the other side, just ask a Michigan fan.

tulsahawkfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Not that I think it will happen, but in response to message board chatter... please no Phillip Fulmer.

Hawkman_021 9 years, 10 months ago

I hope we get a home run hit with our new coach

A friend of mine said they are waiting to see what happens with the new hire before they decide to renew their season tickets and donate money to the williams fund.

jayhawkinATL 9 years, 10 months ago

Should have sent Bowen packin' with him!!!!!

Craig Lang 9 years, 10 months ago

As long as they keep Bill Self, I will keep donating to the Williams Fund.

Nevertheless, I do hope they bring in somebody good. Even with the improved status of KU football (thanks, of course, to Coach Mangino), I don't think there are a lot of high-profile types looking for a job like this one. Especially when they know they might be "thanked" with a public investigation.

jayhawkinnc 9 years, 10 months ago

Obviously Mangino was pushed out by Lew, but why would you agree to say that you "resigned"? Wouldn't you want to say you got fired? Resigning means you quit. That contradicts what he and other coaches preach to their players.

nejayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

"The source said Clint Bowen, David Beaty and Bill Miller will share interim head coach duties, according to Lew Perkins in a KU athletics statement"

I hope Bowen isn't in the running for the head spot...

Chad Sandwell 9 years, 10 months ago

I wanna know when we announce our new head coach...silly to announce interim coaches. Just go ahead and announce Fulmer and lets move on...the longer we have interim coaches the longer this whole thing still hanging over our heads. So while step 1 is done we still aren't through this whole thing until a new regime is in place!

LawrenceKSHomeBoy 9 years, 10 months ago

Good riddance to bad rubbish. KU desires better than a an immoral, cruel, abusive, boar that is so over rated as a coach. Big 12 record 23 wins 42 lost. Back to the toll booth Mangina!

jayhawkinATL 9 years, 10 months ago

I'd like to see Brent Venables get the nod.

kranny 9 years, 10 months ago

No mention of Warriner for share of Head Coach duties?

pjdeanwag 9 years, 10 months ago

There's some talk that Jim Harbaugh, Stanford's head coach, is in Kansas City on a recruiting trip this week. Could he be the One?

Jonathan Allison 9 years, 10 months ago

Finally.

I wish the best for Mangino. And I hope that KU Football recovers from this with it's recruiting class in tact.

Brett Glover 9 years, 10 months ago

well though i'm sad to see him leave, I wouldn't want to see these situations escalate anymore than they're at now.

Dyrk Dugan 9 years, 10 months ago

it's finally over. and he'll get paid.....no need to feel sorry for Mark Mangino.

we appreciate his service...he showed us what a big time college FB program. should look like. i'm proud he was our coach. we had a lot of big wins, and big moments...and the greatest season in KU history under his leadership.

now please, no Phil Fullmer...or some other retread. Let's start with Nolan Cromwell, or Kevin Sumlin...and see where that goes.

rcakmon 9 years, 10 months ago

There will be no lawsuit against Lew or KU. He agreed to resign for an agreed amount of money. By resigning and accepting that amount he says he agrees with the outcome.

Sad that it ended this way but he needed to go. His highs were high but the lows were WAY too low.

kw11b2p 9 years, 10 months ago

Jim Harbaugh from Stanford would be great. What about Charlie Weis?

clittle02 9 years, 10 months ago

Sayers...Franchione is rumored to be the new coach at UNLV

Chad Sandwell 9 years, 10 months ago

Whoever we get....let's hope they have a history of coaching up a defense....Charlie Strong would fit that mold

FinalFinal 9 years, 10 months ago

Thank you Coach. It was a great time being relevant.

I hope you find a good job, and you deserve better than a stepping stone program that only cares about basketball.

bad_dog 9 years, 10 months ago

thejhawk93, I haven't heard about facials, but many of the players already do receive massages.

pjdeanwag 9 years, 10 months ago

Charlie Weis is an unsuccessful wash up. Nobody's gonna take him any time soon. But Harbaugh could really be a difference maker.

jhawkazmars 9 years, 10 months ago

Thanks for the memories Mark...we will not see a year like 2007 for a very, very long time. I wish you the best. I see free football tickets being given away by October 2010, the stadium will be sadly empty once again.

Chad Sandwell 9 years, 10 months ago

So let's start to ask the question....How long will it take for Lew to announce his new head coach. Surely he had already started talking to potential candidates to gauge interest. I suspect that we will have a new coach named by Wednesday of next week. But I hope its sooner....The interim tags worry me a bit....Maybe that was just for the recruits!

penguin 9 years, 10 months ago

Time to call up one of the top candidates from the past search: Charlie Strong. He is ready!

Geekinout 9 years, 10 months ago

Down with Clint Bowen also...He's heavily to blame for Mangina's so called resignation. KU threw up decent points most of the year and it was his lame defensive scheme and crappy 4-2-5 that cost KU a lot of games.

If they give Clint Bowen the head job or let alone keep his current position this team is doomed!

Jonathan Briles 9 years, 10 months ago

I was in favor of Mangino leaving, but some of the people on here are ridiculous with their comment. We should be thankful for what Mangino has done for us. He has made some mistakes but so does every head coach. I am still a very big fan of Mangino and wish him the best of luck. You all act like he was the worst coach ever. You are so spoiled by the basketball team and think that this football team deserves the perfection that the basketball team puts out. Nine years ago a 5 win season would have been looked at as a not too bad year. Now you think its horrendous. He took us so very far. While I think he took us as far as he would I think we needed to move on but am very thankful for the ride he has given us. People need to get there heads out of their backsides and pay their respects to this coach. I am a very proud Jayhawk and will be til the day I die but today I am looking at quite a few people who I am ashamed are Jayhawks along with me. Mangino... Thank you. I wish you all the best. RCJH

JBurtin 9 years, 10 months ago

Sad to see him go. I've seen a ton of fun games under his command.

At the same time, I understand the athletic department's position and I think they made the right call.

My vote Nolan Cromwell

Chad Sandwell 9 years, 10 months ago

I just can't see Harbaugh leaving Stanford after what he has done there to come to KU. He is sticking it to USC....While that would be OK....I just don't see that as realistic. Maybe I am wrong! What does everyone else think.....Let's hear some sound reasoning!

okiedave 9 years, 10 months ago

Mangino, I hope you negotiated a good deal in order in your resignation and got most of your $6 mm. Thanks for the Orange Bowl victory and building a growing program. Wish you all the success.

GoBigRed1 9 years, 10 months ago

Ya'll are totally tools. Facials because players were wrongly treated? Dude, you go low crawl on that turf when it's 190+ and then come back and talk. Until then. shut your pie hole about the players being sissies. You deserved the Fat Man but those players deserve better.

GO BIG RED

kuforever11 9 years, 10 months ago

This is a sad day. These are supposed to be football players not cheerleaders. Men are created through critisism and grow stronger because of it. Just when I thought there was a future for the program, now its back to mediocracy.

stuckinchanute 9 years, 10 months ago

I don't see Harbough leaving Stanford to come to Kansas. No way!

okiedave 9 years, 10 months ago

jayhawkinnc - Mangino would never have resigned unless Lew gave him a good deal and requested as part of the package that he resign. Otherwise, Mangino would have waited to get fired and sued for his $6mm. I am glad it turned out this way as everybody wins. Mangino saves face, Lew saves face and the contract is honored. Let win the Big XII North next year.

OCJHAWK 9 years, 10 months ago

Thank you for the memories Mangino, loved south Florida in 07.

Now lets move on.

We now have expectations at KU in football and a real budget, so I think Lew will get us a very good coach. We will not fall back to where we were before.

It is interesting seeing the names of so called prospective coaches and think of their recruiting base/networks.

Jacobpaul81 9 years, 10 months ago

I eagerly await Lew Perkins to join him.

NH_JHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

And so it ends. Mangino gets his money (most of it anyway) and Lew gets his chance to hire his own. At least this didn't drag out any longer. For those of you throwing out your "fat" insults, GROW UP! Classless.

Jacobpaul81 9 years, 10 months ago

I eagerly await Lew Perkins joining him.

jhawkfan1981 9 years, 10 months ago

thehawk93- i couldnt have said it any better!!

JayHawkPuss 9 years, 10 months ago

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Ryan Sullivan 9 years, 10 months ago

You guys who think that Mangino was the only, or even primary, reason that we won 11 games in '07 or had the other (pretty) good seasons are flat out nuts. Mangino deserves credit for restoring some discipline to the program, but you can't do the things that he has done. Yeah its all alleged, but I believe it, or at least most of it.

There's no reason that we can't be an 7 or 8 win program every year with an occasional 10 win season. KU is a great school with plenty to offer. We need a good coach and a good recruiter and the same level of fan support we've had over the past few years or so.

Its fine to thank Mangino and wish him well, byt its time to move on. We had a good recruiting class set to come in, hopefully it stays that way. It will be very interesting to see who we go after and who we end up getting as our next coach.

Sorry, but Bowen has to go.

PPhhoogg 9 years, 10 months ago

Thanks Mark for the good times. Its too bad you will be remembered for the bad.

jhawkfan1981 9 years, 10 months ago

jwliddel- "mizzou fans have are classier" .....wtf?!?!?! put down the beer, sober up, and learn to type or speak...dont know what youre trying to say!

babyjay1 9 years, 10 months ago

Seriously - those of you who think KU football is headed back down? We were there this year. I have high hopes for the new coach, future recruits and continuing to build KU football. I do think Lew is committed to it - why else would you put the $$ into facilities, etc... Even if you wanted Mangino to stay, this could be an exciting time. If you're a KU fan, why not be positive and see what happens vs assuming it will all fall apart. Rock Chalk !!!

muckfizzou27 9 years, 10 months ago

Here's a guess, Randy Edsall. UConn's coach. We'd have to buy him from UCONN. He's in contract till 2012, but he was a Perkins hire there in 99', so he'd be a easy join to the Godfather's "family". Great coach and guy. Same recruiting style as Mangino. Coaches up 3 and 4 star prospects with discipline..maybe not hand burning bear crawl discipline, though. Either way, I'd think he'd be a great fit!

Hawk1969 9 years, 10 months ago

Hook em Horns!!

Let's hope Perkins doesn't dither when it comes to naming MM's replacement.

jhawkfan1981 9 years, 10 months ago

jwliddel

"the have"......still makes no sense....just quit

HawkTawk 9 years, 10 months ago

The pressure is on Lew now. He succeeded in his plan to push Mangino out of town. He better have a solid replacement in mind, because if he messes this one up - he will be the next to go.

I like how people act like our program will not suffer from this. It will be 3-4 years before we see a positive from this transaction...if any.

texhawks 9 years, 10 months ago

I've never posted on this site before but having access to info. regarding this article I thought I should. A certain defensive coordinator for one of the top teams in the Big XII South has already been contacted about the opening and is in serious consideration. I'll post as I get more info.

JayHawkPuss 9 years, 10 months ago

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pjdeanwag 9 years, 10 months ago

4caster.

Reasoning...Lew's not going to wait very long to get someone in, (if he doesn't already have someone in line for the job.) Why would Harbaugh be in Kansas City on a "recruiting visit"? There's not that much talent in K.C. I think it's always smart to watch what coaches come into the area around the time of a big hire. Their presence can be hidden under a variety of different guises.

Harbaugh isn't going to say he's in the area meeting with Perkins about the opening. He's going to fly under the radar. Coaches don't always ask for their respected school's permission to speak with potential employers.

But more importantly...it's not out of the question to believe in pulling a big name from anywhere in the country. We have the funds to pay someone, and pay them well. I think a lot of the "potential" names being thrown around are small time players. Lew's going to go big, and whoever he selects will be compensated heavily. He loves to throw money around. Why will he change now? Thoughts?

ujawoad 9 years, 10 months ago

Ring..ring..."Randy Edsall here"....."hi, this is Lew...got a moment"

wavinwheat 9 years, 10 months ago

you gutless internet namecallers are a disappointment to the university. and, the fact that you fail to give credit to mangino for actually giving KU a football name is sad. he is the best thing that happened to this program since gayle sayers. i understand why he needed to resign, and think its sad. the world has gone so soft. i just hope we find someone of equal or greater ability to replace him.

suttonku 9 years, 10 months ago

I am disappointed in KU fans not showing respect to a man that did so many great things at KU...Wake up people! This man did a lot for the university!

GoBigRed1 9 years, 10 months ago

Well put MichAveJHawk.

The players got your team there not The FatMan or any other coach.

If you get good caliber recruits, the season is up to them PERIOD. Well as long as they get to play and don't ride the bench.

GO BIG RED

jhawkfan1981 9 years, 10 months ago

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bcf8400 9 years, 10 months ago

FYI...

Interim tags are a MUST to keep recruits and continue to recruit. You cannot afford to have no one on the road speaking to the commits and potential commits. My guess is that we have a new head man by the end of next week though.

JMHO,

Rock Chalk

P.S. Thank you coach Mangino for your service...You brought respectability back to our football program during your tenure and truly took it as far as you are capable of. Good luck moving forward.

escaped_labrat 9 years, 10 months ago

Thank you Coach Mangino for at least letting me have a short run of great memories for KU Football that will probably have to last a lifetime. Hopefully not, but we'll see. You are the greatest coach we've ever had that stayed over a year. As for Nebraska fans that come on here and spew out their 2 cents? Hook Em Horns ;-)

Let's hope we don't repeat the Terry Allen fiasco

Ben Kane 9 years, 10 months ago

Not going to lie, I've wanted MM out for awhile. After all this drama I'm glad that he will be able to leave here with what dignity is left. Nothing will ever be heard from as to the findings of this investigation and I think that suits him fine.

Lew,

Go get us a winner. I know you will.

Let the guessing begin: I'm going out on a limb, heard it here first. Wiess turns down the NFL to build KU into a powerhouse.

GoBigRed1 9 years, 10 months ago

And the real plus for your program is the tremendous savings the AD will realize because they can buy normal size clothing for the next coach and not visit Omar the tent maker.

Seriously, how in the heck can a coach preach conditioning, discipline, etc when they weigh in excess of 450 pounds? He should have been fired because he's a freakin' slob.

GO BIG RED

kualuminohio 9 years, 10 months ago

Lets be real were any of us out of staters going out of our way to watch or listen to a game before Mangino (Not that we had good access back then). I remember getting the phone call from my stepdad in 07 that the time had come, KU was a contender... I had been dreaming for years for the moment... Thanks again for the 3 years of great football MM... Before that I had very little interest... This year I lived at KU Sports.com...

Best of Luck Mangino, Lew I think you need a manicure

pmohr13 9 years, 10 months ago

believe they crapped a quin snyder...

GoBigRed1 9 years, 10 months ago

jwliddell, you have never been on a Mizzou board. They are constantly pooping on their program. I don't know what you're on but it must be darn good! LOLOL

jcsmith 9 years, 10 months ago

I'de step on the field with you any day Coach.

Thanks for making Kansas Football what it is.

Just remember, you may have only been here 8 years, but your short legacy will always live on, in the form of an Orange Bowl Trophy setting in Allen Field House.

Thanks again Coach Mangino and best of luck to you Sir.

escaped_labrat 9 years, 10 months ago

jhawkfan1981,

I must say that I agree with JWLiddell. There are a bunch of classless bastages on this site that have commented. Show some respect...and if they can dish it out, then they can certainly take the same in kind.

So far, taking a reference from the good book, the masses are sounding a lot like Sadducees and the Pharisees.

Mangino saved this program. Period.

GoBigRed1 9 years, 10 months ago

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plotku 9 years, 10 months ago

Harbaugh from Stanford!. That's it. That's the coach. At least that's my vote anyway.

jhawkfan1981 9 years, 10 months ago

ive never heard of ku fans calling mizzou players late at night at hotel rooms, or on their personal cell phones..ive never seen ku fans spit on mizzou players walking into the phog like they do to our players walking into their crap arena...ive never heard anyone, fans for other teams, no one say mizzou fans are classy or classier than any other fan base!!! never..until tonight...from a "ku fan"...wow...maybe you should not be a "ku fan" if we are so bad...no one is crapping on our own....we are giving our opinions...right or wrong, thats what fans do!

gratefulhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

clap your hands jayhawk fans... it is done. coach did us a solid, no doubt. and as a kansas football fan of 30 years, i thank him, but dude was a al bohl and some sorta 13 member search committte hire, we're lucky it worked so well. ( drew jennings as interm a.d. hired bill self and he did it for free) lew will hire the right fit for kansas. and how canning mark was leeked, and why the gridiron club is starting to feel like a ponzi scheme... charlie strong, tunner gill, nolan cromwell, ditka.

Hays_Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

The ignorance....it's unreal. It'll never cease to amaze me how many stupid people there are in the world...many residing right here in KS.

Whether you like the guy or not, grow up and show some class. You're KU fans for pete's sake.

RCJH

GoBigRed1 9 years, 10 months ago

So, how old are you? Or maybe related to PeeWee Herman? Grow Up Dude.

NH_JHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

With respect (pardon the pun) to those throwing out the "fat" insults, I also stand by jwliddell. Classless. I'm sure all of you are perfect though.

OCJHAWK 9 years, 10 months ago

pjdeanwag- I am thinking along your line of thinking about a big name coach.

I like what Edsall has done a UCon, but his recruiting base is the east coast so I think it would take a few years to get his talent to KU.

Harbough has had to recruit the nation for talent with the grades/test scores for Stanford and it doesn't hurt to have a brother coaching in the league. I just hope he isn't using us for leverage.

There have been many succesfull coaches mentioned on boards and ESPN but I listed these due to the speculation out there.

ksjayhawk1955 9 years, 10 months ago

I think it is a sad thing we lost him! Look at all he has accompllished while he was here!! I am sorry.. but so what he yelled at.. pushed some of the players.. hell that is life in College sports.. not in junior high anymore and mostlikely they deserved it.. Look at all that Bobby Knight did and never lost his job... whoever decided this was the best plan for KU Football needs to go!!

GoBigRed1 9 years, 10 months ago

Seriously, KU deserves a decent coach. One who doesn't drag himself lower than whale excrement. Mangino shamed your program. I wish KU well in their search for a new FB Coach. Cheers!

GO BIG RED

escaped_labrat 9 years, 10 months ago

GoBigRed1 (anonymous) says... "I don't even have a wiener. You, sir, are a true tool. And that is NOT a complement"

Wow, I thought they only had eunuchs in the Far East! The Nebraska fanbase really is worldwide!

therebel 9 years, 10 months ago

All right gang, who are you gonna get to replace him? What proven winner would want to come to KU, and would the university be willing to pay for a top notch coach?

And, does the KU community really care if we have a winning program or not? Or, is football just a novelty until b-ball cranks up each year?

Stay tuned...

gchawk 9 years, 10 months ago

gobigred1. Is that the best you can do, address clothing styles? Best of luck coach, sorry things turned out this way.

bergyju 9 years, 10 months ago

I AGREE WITH MVJAYHAWK ALL THE WAY!!!!! COULDN'T HAVE BEEN SAID BETTER!

escaped_labrat 9 years, 10 months ago

bergyju (anonymous) says... "i agree with mvjayhawk all the way!!!!! couldn't have been said better!"

I would change my wish list at the end of his comment to Bill Cowher ;-) Can you imagine...wow!

escaped_labrat 9 years, 10 months ago

Wait a minute, what's Marty Schottenheimer doing these days... :-)

(I'm sure I spelled his name wrong and there will be repercussions and people calling for my head, but maybe I'll get offered a buyout)

jhawkfan1981 9 years, 10 months ago

didnt even get the point...but i digress...just stay classy jwliddell, you make the university proud

to all the real fans out there....this isnt the end..mangino did great in the time he was here..we have him to thank for the position this program is in..instead of wondering what kind of low end coach we will get..now we are in a better position to get a good coach..and that is in part of what mangino did for ku. it is sad it had to happen this way..but i will always root for MM. and i will be in the stands next year at every home game, no matter who is coaching...because i love kansas, and 99.9% of the fans.

rock chalk!!

Justin Daniel 9 years, 10 months ago

Unfortunately, I don't think Harbaugh would leave Stanford or Edsall UConn for KU right now.

escaped_labrat 9 years, 10 months ago

jmfitz (anonymous) says... jwliddell

"so i'm assuming your wife left you for mark mangino? you have alot of hate for this man...that or you were dating one of the players that he 'poked'. calm down a bit there buddy and accept the fact mangino gave ku football something it had never even thought of, a bcs bowl win. this new coach will be a step up and a good thing for us. lew will do great things for ku football! rock chalk!!"

Huh? Methinks you need to re-read the posts on here. Or you just chose the wrong user name to comment to

pmohr13 9 years, 10 months ago

guess the news conference is set to 8:20 not 8

hammerhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

No one is a more fanatic hawk than me. I believe that the athletic director, LP, should be the one gone, and not Coach Mangino. No I am not a Mangino apoligist, but my adult life has been in school management and I firmly believe that LP is a terrible leader for my school. I want him out. When I get calls for money from KU I always say no more money for you as long as LP is the athletic director. Remember the vengence in the way he acted in attacking a Lawrence businessman who was simply making t-shirts?

In my book (of 62 years), Perkins is a low life loser. Let's get rid of him immediately. He needs to go. You younger hawks need to realize that he has brought yet another black eye to KU. That's LOU PERKINS. He is the single person that has brought our school a black eye. Nothing will be settled in my mind until he hits the road. I just hope that he doesn't have the sort of contract that protected Coach Mangino. Good luck coach. I guess you are crying all the way to the bank. Thanks for the memories.

jhawkfan1981 9 years, 10 months ago

jmfitz (anonymous) says... jwliddell

"so i'm assuming your wife left you for mark mangino? you have alot of hate for this man...that or you were dating one of the players that he 'poked'. calm down a bit there buddy and accept the fact mangino gave ku football something it had never even thought of, a bcs bowl win. this new coach will be a step up and a good thing for us. lew will do great things for ku football! rock chalk!!"

what?!?!

jahawkdave 9 years, 10 months ago

4+ rude comments make all KU fans terrible...less classy than mizzou?

Juck fwliddel

gratefulhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

jwliddell, get a hair cut nancy, and i'll buy the first round at johnny's

jhokfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Gobigred1:

The U.S. Navy just left port which means your mom now has a lot of free time. It’s the holidays, go spend some time with her and maybe you can find out who your daddy is.

JayHawkPuss 9 years, 10 months ago

Aw, the posting police have wemoved my comments. Waaahhhh, waaaahhhh. Me hurt now. Sniffle, sniffle...bye bye Jayhawk football. Good luck in the cellar

Hawknitch 9 years, 10 months ago

I hope those "nobody" players are happy now! Thanks for the 8 great years mark!! Best of luck in the near future.

Michael Leiker 9 years, 10 months ago

I've been to every home game give maybe one or two during the Mangino era and probably 20-25 road games and I think I might be done with this program. I haven't seen anything to show me that this guy should have been pushed out. Sad day for KU Football.

The thing that KU fans fail in general to appreciate is that KU, by nature is a school of panzies. It takes a certain type of guy to get it done at KU on a consistent basis. It's a liberal institution that is just not a culture where you win football games. When people say, "KU's a basketball school." They're not just saying that because of the fact that Kansas has just happened to won a whole ton of bball games, they're saying that because the culture of the institution just fits with basketball. There is nothing intimidating about KU. We have a big smiling bird as a mascot. Our fans hug and sing together before the games. We wave our arms in the air in silence when we score a touchdown. Our fans leave a halftime and don't come back in for close games. Don't get me wrong, I love all of these traditions (give the former), but there's a reason why it's hard to get it done at KU and it is not just about cash and facilities. It's a culture thing.

You will see this program slide back into sub-mediocrity now of a kind that a lot of people posting on this board are not familiar with. And really, I don't think it matters who they get to coach the deal.

I for one am taking a break from it for a while. This was a bad way for a guy who's done way too much for a school and an athletic department to go down.

Greed will get you Lew and the rest of you folks who called for this guy's head. I hope you're right, but I honestly don't care if you're wrong.

that_guy 9 years, 10 months ago

Calling someone "fat" is not a take...

jhawkfan1981 9 years, 10 months ago

jwliddell- i never defended anyone..i dont care what people say or think of mangino..it IS their opinions...i made a point about mizzou fans compared to ku fans...but you bypassed that to just try to sound smart...i care about what people think of kansas u. PERIOD

jhawk4life1976 9 years, 10 months ago

Is the press conference going to be shown live online or are the Jayhawks around the Country going to have to wait for it to be posted?

martyku69 9 years, 10 months ago

This is a sad day for Kansas University. Lew Perkins has badly handled a situation which should have been kept in-house and it should be Lew that is losing his job. So, how do you go about getting a quality coach after that prospective new HFC has witnessed Lew's Folly? That new coach knows this; if he should struggle early on, Sweet Lew might well go Mangino on his sorry self. Suddenly, the media is reporting slanderous, unproven allegations and making the new HFC out to be an absolute monster just like Mangino , and if it doesn't cross the prospective coach's mind he's a complete dummy.

Clarence Haynes 9 years, 10 months ago

jwliddell.....Who designated you as the judge and jury? I will write as I please. If you do not like it, that's your problem!

sayers48 9 years, 10 months ago

labrat...you spelled 'Marty' correctly...

Steve Brown 9 years, 10 months ago

I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

Unless of course I can get millions to crawl out of town and not face the 3 person panel to refute the investigation. By the way, two thirds of people on the 3 person panel: I get to nominate one and agree to the other. So I control the outcome if I want to stay and stand on my feet.

Unless I get on my knees and end this now. So while the 'trumped up' report may not shed good light on me, the review board would be in my favor, trust me. oops unless the facts in evidence were irrefutable. Why was bloody hand released and more to come in next few days?

He got the goods on you, you are an abuser pretending to be a leader.

I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees, unless of course, I have to leave town to keep the Lori Williams report of abuse both to my players, at my house where the police were called and to others in the university that were not my players under wraps.

Some folks know what the players had to sacrifice to get you out of dodge city. Sure not all of them or even most of them, but a significant core of the fans do know, and I couldn't be more proud of your sacrifice for our program and future teams. This will ever be my most favorite team, that went 1-7 in the league to shine light on the true nature of the bum mascarading as a leader. Your guess was correct, if he had continued to win, your comments would not have been heard. thank you for what you did for our future.

twenty years later the watergate tapes were finally released and 20 years down the road I hope this Lori Williams report does indeed see light of day and get published from some freedom of information lawsuit. As all bullies need to be exposed, dammit, or they just go on somewhere else.

That day the MM defenders can say," well we had no idea it was that bad" Yes you did, watch the play of the 1st 5 games and then the last 8. Yes, you did, their hearts were ripped out of them weeks ago & it was more than just better competition.

Mark, for the 1st time tomorrow you actually may use the loading zone, take all the time you want.

gratefulhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

at easy kid, i may be a dbag, or something worse, but i'm not self righteous. and uh, get a hair cut. first round is still an opt.

jhawkfan1981 9 years, 10 months ago

i agree...making personal hurtful comments about MM is retarded..i love kansas..i love what MM did for this program...but just because a FEW idiots make stupid comments...they are the .01% i was talking about...doesnt make the whole fan base "not classy".

OCJHAWK 9 years, 10 months ago

leikness - hang in there bud, I am sure that Lew was stuck between a rock and a hard place when the photos were shown. I agree that outwardly it looks like he backed a politically correct lame decision. I believe there had to be a large sum involved to make a lawsuit go away. Also the publicity of this would have had every coach recruiting against us telling a recruits family about how terrible MM treats his players. Even Bobby Knight had a hard time recruiting in todays world.

We will be OK.

Ryan Shelton 9 years, 10 months ago

Mangino left the program better off than he found it. Mark, if you're reading this, thank you for the memories. Best of luck in the future.

Sean Rodger 9 years, 10 months ago

This is so sad - but I'm glad the drama is over. I have so much appreciation for MM for building up the program. A season filled with so much hype and promise - the wheels came off - really - really came off!

I'm saddened to see how many Jayhawk fans are unappreciative of what he's done.

I don't know JWLIDDEL - but I share the same thoughts.

Weiss won't be a head coach in college football - it's rumored that the Chiefs have talked to him about he OC postition.

I think if MM was the 13th highest paid coach in college football - that would make KU a top 25 job. Other than the fact of having to turn ballerinas into football players I hope we get a geat coach. I like Tommy Tubberville - Fulmer wouldn't be bad. I think we stick to a SEC asst or former SEC coach, that way we have some ties to the south.

Just my opinion...

Thanks MM for all you've done! This Jayhawk fan out here in the middle of KS appreciates it!

Steve Brown 9 years, 10 months ago

not in junior high anymore and mostlikely they deserved it.. Look at all that Bobby Knight did and never lost his job... KSHays 55

not more than twice you are right just twice. Indiana and T Tech. but you are safe to know he didn't lose any more jobs than those two. next time google B Knight job terminations B4 you post.

escaped_labrat 9 years, 10 months ago

Leikness,

I agree that there are a lot of fans that are negative and I hope they are not representative of the larger fan base. Win or lose though, I can't help but suffer or celebrate the fortunes of my Alma Mater, KU. I was in love with KU Football when fans were lucky to hear a KU game broadcast on the radio, let alone television and I was born in 1967! LOL

I have developed a reputation for being a rabid KU fan among my friends and they know I love the football program as much as the basketball program if not more.

FWIW though, I think you'll soldier on and right now there are a lot of us that are saddened, angry and maybe just a little bit humbled by everything that has transpired. Our program has lost a prolific leader and we are all uncertain of what the future holds. Will it turn out good? Hopefully. For those of us that bleed Crimson and Blue, we're in it for the long haul and sometimes we need to reach out our hands to grab our kindred fans' by the arm and keep them from falling. jwliddell, stay strong...leikness, stay the course. We're Jayhawks...better to set the example....

jayhawkintx73 9 years, 10 months ago

Saying that Mangino made it relevant, I wouldn't go so far as saying that. Glen Mason did a fantastic job, when it was in much worse condition when he took it over. Terry Allen was just a poor choice because he had never coached, even as an assistant at the Division I level, as far as I know.

There are good coaches out there that we can get, and some that might even be better at recruiting, but its going to be tough after a 5-7 season, when we should have been 10-2. I'm not familiar with a whole lot of other coaches around who are available.

If this team would have won the Big 12 North, Mangino wouldn't be gone, If we even lost in a tiebreaker for the Big 12 North, he wouldn't be gone. He's gone, and he should be for the simple fact he had arguably the best offense in the country, and the best recruiting class ever at the University of Kansas.

Kansas should be talking to the Defensive minded coaches for replacement for head man. Let Warriner take over the play calling and coordinating. Then bring in an offensive line coach, I have a guy in mind. Former Dallas Cowboy, and Jayhawk OL.

I just remember his first name, Chuck.

Another guy I can think of, who was also a former OL in the NFL, Art Schell.

escaped_labrat 9 years, 10 months ago

jwliddell said:

"Class is staying at the game after the first quarter."

True! and that goes for whether you're at a game or watching it at a pub with opposing fans all around you!

Andy Tweedy 9 years, 10 months ago

When I was a sophomore in 1988, Glen Mason was taken to task in the student paper and around town for grabbing a player by the facemask, so this isn't the first time the KU community has frowned on such behavior. Mangino did some great things for KU, but not by himself. Lew Perkins is the reason we have the new facilities, and that helps recruiting...it's a multi-player game. My hope is that Nolan Cromwell or Turner Gill get the gig...a true Kansas legend and a coach that defines integrity and success. The program will not slide back into obscurity, there is too much invested by the AD and the boosters, which hasn't been there before. Today, I learned that KU had a better record in the '90s than it did this decade, so maybe this isn't the end of the world. ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK!!!

Steve Brown 9 years, 10 months ago

Hammerhawk BTW how much are your T shirts and what upper rafter section were your AFH seats moved to?

hugs and kisses. all in good fun.

Kevin Long 9 years, 10 months ago

I am a little torn on the news myself. Most of you seem to be forgetting just how far Kansas football has came since MM has been here. I know he may not be the nicest guy in the world, but he got a change of attitude around Lawrence and for the first time in awhile we were excited about football. On the other hand I don't think there is any excuse for losing 7 in a row when you were picked to win the north. Good luck to Mangino where ever you go and thanks for your work.

Hawk1969 9 years, 10 months ago

jwliddell and big red need to move over to Mizzou board where childish bickering through computers is acceptable.

jhawkfan1981 9 years, 10 months ago

jwliddell- i think we are the majority..i hope...i went to every home game this year..and saw alot of fans leave early..which i didnt like, maybe they are spoiled, or just arent into football...but i also saw alot of people cheer when reesing scored a late td against oklahoma, and saw alot of people cheering operum when he walked onto the sidelines late in the nebraska game...so there are good and bad everywhere...but its fans like alot of us in this forum that are worried,excited, or dont know what to think about this situation, that need to support this program...no matter what

ps dont cut your hair...its cold outside!!

Clarence Haynes 9 years, 10 months ago

jwliddell...classless is the assertion that players are told that they should be sent home to be shot with their homies.

kupark 9 years, 10 months ago

I think Lew had some personal things going on there with Mangino. The fact of the matter is coaches can get very harsh sometimes. Didn't Roy Williams tell Gooden once that if he didn't play defense he will send him back to California. Now, I do understand this is different than what Mark said and I'm not condoning what he did. But, the fact is coaches are sometimes very harsh. There is more to the story than Mangino's behavior.

Look for future KU football teams to be a little "soft" because whenever a coach would want to get tough with his players he would always worry about a player going to Lew complaining.

Fire Lew. Make Bill Self coach of BB and FB teams and the AD of KU.

babyjay1 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm going to say it again - if you can believe so strongly in MM, why is it so difficult to believe the players and parents who have come forward? Sorry if many of you think they are pansies - I don't. The word is RESPECT. Toughness, discipline, yelling and getting in a players' face - yep, that's football. Again, no need for the comments made about parents, player's backgrounds, injuries, etc... Everybody has an opinion but no one (except maybe some who are closer to the situation) really knows what happened and maybe we never will. I AM a true KU fan and because of that, I believe we can continue to build our fb program with a new coach. Sorry to those of you who think MM got a raw deal, but time to move on.....

joecat94 9 years, 10 months ago

A sad day for Kansas Football. What a way to treat a coach who turned this program into a winner. Football coaches are not paid to be nice. Football is a tough game. His toughness changed the mentality of KU football from a sense that we would always lose to one where we believed we could win. KU won two big bowl games. Something I could not have imagined 25 years ago when I was there. We will miss you coach. God Bless.

Michael Leiker 9 years, 10 months ago

baby - got to be clear, I dont' think the players are panzies (since I used that word) I just think the whole university has a culture that is a bit soft and does not breed good football.

Kevin Long 9 years, 10 months ago

For those who think Bowen will take over the head job, that just goes to show what you know about football here at KU. Not a chance in hell!! I know most of you never went to a game, but if you didn't know KU had one of the worst defenses in the country this year.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

Coach Mangino- I want to thankyou for all you have done for KU Football. You have made our football program relevant for the first time in the 40 years that I have been a fan. While I hate the way things ended and it was time to move on, I will miss what you have done for our program. Good luck in your future and once again THANKYOU!! RCJH!

escaped_labrat 9 years, 10 months ago

Maybe Mark Mangino should write this inscription upon the entrance to the football offices at KU:

"Through me you pass into the city of woe: Through me you pass into eternal pain: Through me among the people lost for aye.

Justice the founder of my fabric mov'd: To rear me was the task of power divine, Supremest wisdom, and primeval love.

Before me things create were none, save things Eternal, and eternal I endure. All hope abandon ye who enter here.

Such characters in colour dim I mark'd Over a portal's lofty arch inscrib'd: Whereat I thus: Master, these words import."

Uhhhhhh, I just made this up on the fly ;-)

jhokfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Disappointed but not surprised.

Actually I'm more disappointed in some of the fan comments. Thought they would be more appreciative.

jhawkfan1981 9 years, 10 months ago

cheers...

rock chalk jayhawk go KU......tryin to teach that to my 18 mo old...comes out like "ruk chuk jakchuk gay you" sucks huh? sounds like a missery fan tryin to make fun of us! lol

Dennis Mahorney 9 years, 10 months ago

Best wishes to Mark Mangino, as John Wooden used to say to players He had to dismiss for whatever reason" Thank you for your contributions.Thank you for what youve added to the team. We wish you the best.You will be missed." Mark is a man moving on with his life.I too have tried things, only to have the road finally come to an end.I hope He finds peace. KU has been through alot lately. I hope the storms will be calming soon. Here's to a brighter 2010...GOD BLESS US, EVERYONE.

Doug Aitken 9 years, 10 months ago

If the guy is stupid, he won't let himself learn from the experience. He crossed the line a lot of times. Nobody is saying he shouldn't be tough. But you have to know what decency is.

I don't see him coaching again in a big conference, because I'm afraid he won't learn from the experience. He reminds me of Bob Knight.

getserious 9 years, 10 months ago

Coach Franchione would be perfect!!! Started at Pitt St so knows the area well and has had a winning record everywhere. Please hire him.

babyjay1 9 years, 10 months ago

Post game interviews with a couple of players - they are relieved it's over, they trust Lew will find a great coach and they are ready to move on.... maybe we should all take a lesson from them. Peace! Rock Chalk forever!!!!

jhawkmt 9 years, 10 months ago

I am sorry to see Mangino gone. He did wonders for KU football. These whinny players who gripe about being poked and yelled at dont need to be football players. Look at all the crap that Bobby Knight did to his players and he was there for YEARS. Im sure we dont even know a fourth of what Knight did and he is now called a hero? Mangino made KU a football college not just a basketball college. GROW UP PLAYERS. Your suppose to be "men" so act like it. The real world is not some puffy fluffy life. Real life is hard.

100 9 years, 10 months ago

Time to move on. Thanks for the 2007 Season, Coach Mangino -- brought so many of us back to the 60's with Sayers & Riggins & Hadl & McClinton...

Directly behind you, Mr. Perkins...

Looks like our next coach will be coming from Conneticut...

If so, he'd be one heck of a solid choice!!

Rock Chalk Jayhawk

Steve Brown 9 years, 10 months ago

are you a good witch or a bad witch? I'm no witch at all.

Where are you from? Well, I'm from Kansas.

Fellow Ozians, where I come from people believe all sort of things that are not true, we call it history.

the balloon carried him away from the emerald city. To this day, some say he was a fraud and others still call him wonderful. mr. wonderful. depends upon if you got to see behind the curtain I guess.

wonderful or not, he is memorable

sayers48 9 years, 10 months ago

Yeah...Bobby Knight was quite a failure...

sayers48 9 years, 10 months ago

getserious - I am with you!

My sister went to school with his son Brad. I have already asked her to call me and beg!

jayhawkintexas 9 years, 10 months ago

Coaches realize that getting fired, or forced to resign, are part of the profession. Very few, if any, people in coaching are guaranteed lifetime employment. I think KU will get a good coach for several reasons: we have great and fairly new facilities; we play in a prestigious conference (not that you would know that this year but for the most part, it is a prestigious conference), the pay is competitive, the quality of life is excellent and the challenge of getting KU to a top tier Big 12 program is an irrestible challenge to some coaches. K-State found a coach to bring them to elite Big 12 status in Snyder (back when K-State was really good and he has to recruit players to a blah place like Manhattan) so there is no reason why KU can't find a coach to also bring us to a top tier Big 12 status. I wish Mark Mangino and his family the best of luck for the future.

sayers48 9 years, 10 months ago

sorry...I meant to say 'call him and beg'

gratefulhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

a keeper is a keeper, charlie strong, turner gill. nolan cromwell , ditka.

babyjay1 9 years, 10 months ago

Jason King article on Yahoo Sports - good read. Just fyi - it points out a couple of folks in Athletic Dept who have left due to MM tirade's and assistant coaches.... Always more to things than meets they eye....

Ryan Shelton 9 years, 10 months ago

There are three kinds of coaches: those who are fired, those who will be fired, and Joe Paterno.

jhawkfan1981 9 years, 10 months ago

oregon - oregon st game is a good one

anyways..i think MM will go back to ou or someone like that and get a coordinator job..eventually he will ba back at a good school....he is a good coach

as far as ku goes...i think tubberville would be a great fit...good recruiter, and he got a raw deal at auburn...we will see

sayers48 9 years, 10 months ago

Franchione is originally from Girard, and an alum (and former head coach) at Pitt State...time to come home!

rockemchalkemrobots 9 years, 10 months ago

Agree with oklahawk58. Ask Bowden how much it takes to be beyond a force out. I enjoyed the Mangino era with the exception of the last 6 weeks. In my opinion this was a search for cause to fire Mangino the entire way, when the real cause (poor team performance and personal differences) would not do. That being said, if they have reached an agreement, good for them. I hope Mangino has tremendous success, and KU becomes a constant contender, but I'll hold my breath for neither. We will not get anyone with head coaching success because the way we treated the last coach, and we will not get the right assistant, because that is extremely difficult to do. I hope that I'm wrong.

Steve Brown 9 years, 10 months ago

Today we will have a news conference at 4pm in the athletic dept.....

phone call: Yes, Mark, okay Mark, yes I hear you that you would rather resign than get terminated for cause. Got it, you will liveon your knees rather than get fired on your feet, yes you may fall on your sword.

but last week you said..... okay okay...you will resign this evening, okay got it.

News conference, what news conference, we never were going to have a 4pm news conference today.... .

jhawkfan1981 9 years, 10 months ago

this is a tribute to MM success...10 years ago, no one would care (nationally) who the next coach was going to be at kansas...i bet ucon,houston, and other places are caring right now...its a better job than alot of other places!! and thats due to the big man thats wondering where HE is going right now

djgratt59 9 years, 10 months ago

Joe may go the way of Bowden (who had never been fired as a head coach) as well.. give it time.

MrPilot 9 years, 10 months ago

Thank you for everything you did for this university, Coach Mangino. There are those of us who respect and are grateful for your accomplishments.

Let this be a lesson for any coach who wishes to apply for this now open position. If you win a few games you will be heralded, but if you lose a few? Prepare to be railroaded out. A sad day for the University of Kansas.

rockemchalkemrobots 9 years, 10 months ago

MrPilot - I think you may be going a bit overboard. He averaged 6 losses per year over 8 years. That is more than a few. I'm trying to balance the railroad analogy with the Terry Allen era where it was a tenure that lasted about 3 years too long.

usafJayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

"We appreciate the eight years that Mark has given to rebuilding our football program,” - Kansas Athletics Director Lew Perkins...

Except that MM was building it, not RE-building it... Win the Orange Bowl, pack Memorial Stadium with KU fans (instead of KSU, Husker, etc), get KU more attention on the gridiron than ever before, be the most successful coach in 90 years... and what do you get in return? LP's thanks, and a few million bucks, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

He made watching KU football - Reesing, Meier, Briscoe - great, and I'll always be thankful. Definitely deserved a better ending than this one. Godspeed Coach.

Gordon Penny 9 years, 10 months ago

BULLSpIT!! SHAM!! And all of you that predicted the internal investigation would never see the light of day were Nostradamuses. Damn the athletic department and damn Lew Perkins.

Hawk1969 9 years, 10 months ago

Speculations are flying that Brent Venibles name is on Lew's wish list.

allincalldangit 9 years, 10 months ago

We need to get somebody that has ties and is connected to the state of Texas. For example, TCU's Patterson. That is a hotbed of talent and players from Texas come to Kansas. If we go after Weis or Harbaugh, their connections are out west and east. No players from there are going to want to come to Kansas to play football, its just not gonna happen. We need someone that has connections with Texas. Hopefully Jacoby Walker and Rodgers wont change their mind on us

kukid75 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm glad he didn't suffer his inevitable heart attack while in crimson and blue.

Methinks he'll have to shape up in more ways than one to get another college head coaching job.

cstewa04 9 years, 10 months ago

I'll also be one of those on the board echoing my appreciation for coach's tenure here. He did make KU Football relevant by bringing discipline, recruits, good coachs, and finally fan support. I don't know if I'll have a prouder moment than when Reesing took a knee to put the Orange Bowl away. I remember walking into that with all the Va Tech fans laughing at all the KU fans there, "saying get ready for your dream season to be over', and walking out in the parking lot after the game hearing those same fans saying..."Wow we just got beat by a good team".

So, again I say thank you for a great ride Coach Mangino.

Now Jayhawk Nation it is time to move on.....on to bigger and even better things! No going back. Can't wait to see who the next coach will be. I'm really intrigued by Harbaugh or Fulmer. Name recognition, if nothing else helps get recruits and good assistant coaches.

jhokfan 9 years, 10 months ago

And so ends the most exciting era of KU football. I will be writing a letter to Coach Mangino thanking him for all he's done.

jeremiah29 9 years, 10 months ago

Well, it is a sad day for KU athletics indeed. The "cage" fighting episodes between members of the footall and basketball teams was the beginning of the end...and frankly will leave a scar on the university for a long time to come. In my opinion, the players need to man up and take some accountability for this outcome...and by players I mean the members of BOTH the basketball and football teams. When something like that goes down, it creates an invitation for scrutiny...and when scrutiny is introduced there is always going to be a discovery phase. In this case, the discovery led to the uncovering of some nasty behavior. I can't believe, however, that Mangino's approach was any more outlandish that the approach of any other coach at this level. The good news...the KU football program has seen an incredible resurgence as measured by the quality of the facilities, the game day rituals that left me proud to be a Jayhawk FOOTBALL fan, and by the fact that my two teenage sons would have rather been with me at Memorial Stadium than anywhere else on Saturdays for home games...and that my extended family was more excited to to be with me in basement gathered around the bar than on the golf course when our 'Hawks were away. I am disappointed that a University as great as Kansas is going down the path of an "also ran" with regard to football. I would argue that the names of the players enshrined on the walls of Memorial Stadium and pre-game footage of these guys on gridiron gives us just as much pride as we feel when we see the footage of the "shot." Honestly...I can say that I have had just as much, perhaps more, outright sadness and disappointment over the years as a result of falling short of expectations with the basketball program than I have with the football program. Thanks, Mark, for the memories...and best wishes for a soft landing. Let's just hope that Mr. Perkins has a plan...a plan that will keep the Saturday bonding between dads and sons alive for many more years.

thmdmph 9 years, 10 months ago

Basketball fans, are you ready to crash this football drunkfest?

lance1jhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Coach Mangino- Thank you for bringing football back to Kansas after Terry Allen left it on life support. Thanks for all the memories and a great 12-1 season.

I honestly feel that Bill Young is going to be contacted at some point during the next week. He can recruit Texas and the south. Plus the man hated Mangino and would love to have his own program.

babyjay1 9 years, 10 months ago

thmdmph - very funny! basketball team better not lose an unexpected game, though ... LOL

FTC_Jayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I have been thoroughly convinced by the past two seasons that 2007 was a fluke for Mangino. We will be much better off with the new coach that Lew chooses. I've never seen so many horrible coaching decisions hijack a team trying to win.

In addition to that, Mangino is just a horrible, terrible jerk. Whatever respect some of you think he deserves as a football coach, I'm not convinced he deserves any as a person.

I'm so happy he's finally gone. I am excited for next season.

Doucher 9 years, 10 months ago

Jtwiddle-

I would like to thank you for still rockin' the grunge look I made famous in the early 90's. It's good to see you are loyal to your coach, I too am a fan of one hit wonders. Fact is if your happy with a losing B12 record, beating up on cupcakes and the bottom feeders of the B12. Then are you really that diehard of a KU fan to settle for mediocrity or even last place. Heck, I live all the way here in Seattle and I'd like to see my Jhawks do better than that! Also, just because a small percentage posters posted some fat jokes, of the small percentage of people that post on that site compared to the vast numbers of jayhawk nation, gives you no right to compare jayhawk fans to mizzou fans, thats just plain ignorant! But I do give you props for representing the grunge scene like myself in 2009 so you must be a tool I mean cool.

Sincerely your idol.

E. Vedder

PS does your chick wear flannel? Sweet!

Matt Beat 9 years, 10 months ago

The greatest KU football coach in history will be hard to replace at a basketball school

Lance Hobson 9 years, 10 months ago

Bad decision. We can say goodbye to bowl games for a while. It was fun while it lasted. I just hope Lew doesn't hire Lori Williams as coach.

Brandon Hull 9 years, 10 months ago

I have to assume that those of you joking about weight are either:

  1. 9 years old.

  2. Disappointments who are going nowhere in life yourselves, so you've got to bring others down with you.

Seriously. He's been here 8 years and you're still firing off overweight jokes? Well done, KU fans (and other infiltrators). You demonstrate why so many people think the Midwest is just like the South -- a bunch of simpletons who have no depth.

Way to represent for us all.

sizehawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Some strang comments out there. This is the first comment that I have contributed. I suspect that it will not be the last.

Coach Mangino was one of the best coaches in KU history. He may have gone too far in is disapline, but he was a great coach.

Lew Perkins is a wonderful Atheletic Director. The best we have had. He has built teams, hired coaches, built facilities and done everything to be asked of an AD. Hats off to him. I suspcect that he will bring in a Self -like coach who will concentrate on recruting, coaching and managing a team for the future.

s6u6r6f 9 years, 10 months ago

12 and 1. For a season, top of the food chain. An Orange Bowl selection over Misery (oh, how they whined! How they so sweetly whined! And how they still do: a gift that keeps on giving!). A victory in that very Orange Bowl. And football that was a pleasure to watch and follow. As sure as Larry Brown will forever live in my personal pantheon of heroes, so will Mike Mangino for what he gave.
A foundation that provides opportunity for excellence has been laid; may the construction continue. Rock Chalk

inkcube 9 years, 10 months ago

You got the shaft coach, Perkins should have handled this with some professionalism not like mad child. Now we can watch football decline to the old way. Mr. Perkins you can kiss my donations goodbye.

jhokfan 9 years, 10 months ago

We'll at least we can say goodbye to the fat jokes.

Now we can make fun of Gobigred1's fat mother who has been using her sizeable girth to “support” the U.S. Navy. How many sailors has she served now?

rawkhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I appreciate Mangino's tenure at KU, and for making KU football exciting (along with the players such as Reesing, Meier, Briscoe, Talib, etc.). I'm sorry it had to end like this.

Lew, get a good coach to keep the tradition alive. I wish the best of luck to Mangino.

GeoHawk15 9 years, 10 months ago

I am sorry to see coach Mangino go out like this. Maybe in the end he wasn't the right fit for us, but after all he's done for our program, he didn't deserve the public crucifixion. Some argue he had a mediocre Big 12 record, but until MM got to KU, we were irrelevant in the national spotlight, attendance was poor at home games, and TV coverage was all but nonexistent. Excitement over KU football reached an all-time high over the last several years and were just beginning to grab the attention of marquee recruits. Those are the building blocks of a successful program. We can't expect to rise to the top immediately, there are inevitably highs and lows along the way.

I don't condone personal attacks on players as a motivational tactic, but I think very few of us really know the harsh realities of what it takes to be a D1 football entity. Bottom line is a very dangerous precedent has been set and if I were a prospective hire, I'd be very hesitant to walk into this situation.

Nevertheless, I will remain levelheaded about the situation. I'm not going to call for Lew's head, I'm not going to give up season tickets, and I'm not going to stop rooting for KU football. We still have a good foundation to build on and I will remain optimistic that our athletics department will continue that trend.

Rock Chalk!

troutsee 9 years, 10 months ago

Do not agree with all of you Lew haters. He has been an advocate of all KU sports, especially FB. I do feel sorry for MM. He followed his original marching orders but took them too far. I don't agree with all of you calling the KU FB players who complained as soft, etc. I come from a FB family, with one member who was a head coach in the B12 and one who coached in the NFL and was also director of player personnel for an NFL team. It is possible to be tough as a coach, to demand adherence to team rules, without being abusive. You simply make the rules and if players don't follow them, they don't play. Same goes for performance. You don't need to be abusive...just like raising a family. Look at the success of Bud Wilkenson, Tom Osborn, Ara Parsegien. If you cross the line, the players still play hard...out of fear...but they lack heart....and heart is what makes the difference between having fun and not having fun, between playing relaxed and playing up tight, between winning and losing.

And, finally, and I've been dying to say this for a long time, twlidell sure has a pretty good opinion of himself.

rgale29 9 years, 10 months ago

The Mangino era is over and you can't argue that KU football made progress from the Terry Allen/Valesente eras and for this we can be appreciative. If Mangino was a tough disciplinarian that morphed into a pycho screamer/sadist we may never know. I suspect that he finally came to a point where is always in your face style was tuned out and became irrelevant. Whatever the cause KU season of high expectations ended with a 7 game skid and a wonderfully entertaining game against MU was given away in the last 3 minutes by incredibly poor coaching decisions, and if KU intends to strive to be a contender rather than a pretender we cannot accept these results and a coaching change is a must. There is no guarantee a new coach will be more successful, but I for one believe that this will in the not-so-long run be a highly positive decision, allowing KU to take another step.

utahjayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Sad ending for JHawks everywhere. I think that Coach M definitely has anger-management issues and needs counseling/therapy. Jason King's story on Yahoo Sports was very good and painted an athletic dept that couldn't wait for Coach M to leave. Onward and upward rcjhku

not_important 9 years, 10 months ago

sizehawk- I'm a little curious as to your thought on Lew Perkins. What coach other than Bonnie has he hired? She appears to be finally headed in the right direction, but it has taken a while and while a second place in the WNIT is nice, it isn't the NCAAs. Lew has gotten the facilities but he's way out over his skis on the Gridiron Club. The teams that have been built have been done under the lead of coaches hired by someone else. Lew has been good, but don't give him credit for things he hasn't done.

milwaukeeJAYHAWK 9 years, 10 months ago

If you're reading this, Mangino, good luck! I still think KU made a mistake, but guess what's done is done.

I can see tons of schools wanting your coaching credentials.

escaped_labrat 9 years, 10 months ago

rockchalkjayhawk81 (anonymous) says... "Labrat- thank you,, i was sitting here reading all these moronic emails.. thinking,, when, oh when are these football geniuses gonna start calling for marty, or bill cower, or weis, maybe tom osborne will come out of retirement. or bill parcells...you guys know nothing about football and should be banished from comment here is your top 5,, google them because if your just a fairweather football fan, you wont know them..

  1. Edsall
  2. Sumlin
  3. Venebals
  4. Holtz Jr. 5 Bill Young"

rockchalkjayhawk81, lol...that's funny, but I was just having fun. I would put Bill Young at the top of the list though and my second pick would be Holtz Jr.....Venebals....wishful thinking.

Rock Chalk ;-)

escaped_labrat 9 years, 10 months ago

rockchalkjayhawk81 (anonymous) says...

"Also, saying the players are soft is a joke,,, attack the athelete,, not the person or the family. I played college ball and if anyone messed with me i would have dropped him like 500 lbs of oranges... he's lucky he didnt get roughed up with his racially incensitive comments...telling a kid to go get shot with his homies is ok?.. Is calling a black player BOY?,, where is the line...Also,, how did he "save" ku football,, i remember us having similiar success in the mid 90's.. 1 orange bowl, and a ft worth and humintarian bowl is saving us? complete with Texas, Oklahoma, Tech,, then lets talk"

Sorry, I didn't read the last part of your post. I'm sorry to hear about your conviction and subsequent sentence to life in prison for murder. Hope you heal and fwiw, I think Nebraska football will someday make it back to the elite level, whether that be in terms of years or centuries, we'll have to wait and see. At least you'll have a nice reunion with your teammates. Your vocabulary...or lack thereof gave you away, not that I expect you to understand, lol ;-)

Just so you know, I played college football too....and pro football. Judging by your comments, I can see why you only brag about college ball because you would never have made it in the NFL. It's all good!

Kent Wells 9 years, 10 months ago

s6u6r6f:

Your heros name is Mark (not Mike).

Now that's funny.

pastey 9 years, 10 months ago

Ya'll need the truth to rain down upon you from Chicago. Mangino was in the worst situation ever this year. His boy Reesing turned head case on him and he couldn't pull the lucky charm that got him all his fame. So the answer was to try and stick with his man (think throwing the ball three times when he needed to run out the clock) and hope for a signature Todd moment that never came. We start loosing when our best QB ever(ever,ever,ever) started to loose his head because rolling out the the right stopped working. Next thing ya know we start losing. Next thing ya know Perkins sees and excuse. Next thing ya know Mangino pokes someone in the chest. Next thing ya know some worthless Juco transfer that got the boot from the squad says that Mangino is a terrible human being. The last thing you know we buy out Mangino. Next thing ya'll will hear is KU signing a sure thing coach becuase Perkin's had him lined up since mid-October but needed Mangino out.
Mangino's days were numbered from the day he was hired. Did anyone on this message board believe that Mark Mangino was gonna be our man forever? Is there not way better people for a football program than him? Let's not forget why he was hired. To rebuild. He did that. Rebuild over, reigning begin.

Go KU.

ginger2015 9 years, 10 months ago

"Lew, get a good coach to keep the tradition alive. I wish the best of luck to Mangino'

I too wish the coach best of luck, but what tradition are you talking about?

rastameta 9 years, 10 months ago

For those of you that think Mangino brought us to the national stage, please go to the West/East/S.E and ask them about Kansas football. Nobody on the national stage even things twice about KU football. He didn't take us anywhere nationally. The same people who say that posted comments at the beginning of the season screaming how we get no respect nationally in the polls or in the media. The latter is reality. Mangino did not bring respect to the program nationally, that is revisionist history.

shelleysue 9 years, 10 months ago

I appreciate everything MM did for KU football and wish him and is family the best. For those who like to say he did nothing good for us, well I both bother tying the list again.

As for a new coach - I don't think there is anyone on the current staff that I would scream to keep and in fact I hope most of them go. Someone here mentioned a Big 12 defensive coordinator. That defnitely gets my vote - a great defensive mind ready for a head coaching gig.

KUbsee69 9 years, 10 months ago

It's going to seem a lot longer between the Final 4 and Late-Night next year!

KUbsee69 9 years, 10 months ago

Friends, Jayhawks, fooball fans, lend me your ears; I come to wax poetic about Coach M, not to praise him. The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft forgotten with their resignation; So let it be with Mangino. The noble Lew Hath told you Mark was abusive: If it were so, it was a grievous fault; And grievously hath Coach answer'd it. Here, under leave of Lew and the rest, -- For Perkins is an honorable man; So is his staff, all honorable peons, -- Come I to speak in Marks's exit. He was our coach, faithful and just to the fans: But Lew says he was ambitious; And Perkins is an honorable man. He hath brought bowl victories home to Larryville. Whose trophies did the general case fill: Did this in Coach seem abusive? When Kerry & Todd hath cried, Coach hath wept: Abuse should be made of sterner stuff: Yet Lew says he was abusive; And Perkins is an honorable man. You all did see that in the Booth Hall They thrice presented him a bowl trophy, Which he did thrice display in the case: was this abuse? Yet Lew says he was abusive; And, sure, he is an honorable man. I speak not to disprove what Perkins spoke, But here I am to speak what I do know. You all did love him once, --not without cause: What cause withholds you, then, to mourn for him? O judgment, thou art fled to brutish beasts, And Jayhawks have lost their reason! --Bear with me; My heart is in the moving van there with Mangino, And I must pause till it come back to me.

KUbsee69 9 years, 10 months ago

Good friends, sweet friends, let me not stir you up To such a sudden flood of mutiny. They that have done this deed are honorable; -- What private grief they have, alas, I know not, That made them do it; --they are wise and honorable, And will, no doubt, with reasons answer you. I come not, friends, to steal away your hearts: I am no AD, as Lew is; But as you hear me all, a plain blunt man, We’ll miss Coach M; and that they know full well That gave me public leave to speak of him: For I have neither wit, nor words, nor worth, Action, nor utterance, nor the power of speech, To stir Jayhawk's blood: I only speak right on; I tell you that which you yourselves do know;

...

Jayhawks should move the stones of Oread to rise and mutiny.

troutsee 9 years, 10 months ago

As I've said over and over. We'll be fine next year. There is no reason for doom and gloom. We have a good core of players returning and we have a good recruiting class, if we can hang onto them, and I think we will, at least most of them. And we'll get a good coach; Lew will see to that. So, I am not worried. In fact, I am optimistic. We will move forward from here and KU football will remain relevant....even more relevant. I think our team will also improve. Our current team played well, went through the motions, but lacked heart. Their heart had been taken away and with it went their enthusiasm for the game. You can teach a dog or a person to obey and perform in two ways....either through encouragement and consistent rules or you can beat them. You get the same results either way. The former animal seems happy and have a lot of personality....while the latter is obedient but seems withdrawn, beaten down, and with no personality.

KU FB will be better.

desiree017 9 years, 10 months ago

i agree with jwliddell and all the other true KU fans. Dont be a fare weather fan...root for Mangino and the boys when they are up, stomp on him when they are down. I dont condone mean behavior from any coach (or player or anyone) but that in fact, is football. I know people in high school football who have gotten alot more than a "poke" or a comment like the homies comment. Grow some balls! Be a man....welcome to football. You think these kids are gona move to the NFL and get their hand held or get to call their mommy when a coach hells some mean stuff at them? No, they aren't.
The coach is not the only one to blame for our losses, there are players in the game too. But I guess since he is fat, let's just blame him right??!?! Horrible thinking. I'd like to see some of these people making these mean comments to do what he did....lol now that would be funny!

With all that said, they still play a better game than I ever could, and for that I give them props. I have had many a fun time at KU games and watching them, win or lose. I had an awesome time at the KU/MU game and sure I'm sad we lost, but we played a hell of a game. I'll be there next year!!!

Thanks KU players and Mangino! You will be missed!!! :)

Now, let's find out who our new coach is, and get this game going!

ROCK CHALK!!!!

ps-jwliddell, dont cut your hair, its a true larryville look :)

WilburNether 9 years, 10 months ago

Don't let the door hit your fat rear end on your way out.

ChicagoJHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Most of you people on this message board amaze me! It must be easy for you to call these players soft and too sensitive when you're not actually out there doing what they do everyday, busting their asses for hours and hours a day. Yes, football is a man's sport & you have to be tough etc, blah, blah, blah...but there are limits!

It's also equally funny to me how you think its okay for him to do everything he did, telling a player to "go back to the ghetto and get shot up" and threatening to burn another players other hand, but to then call Mangino a "fatty" or fat man or something is a huge sin!

I am glad the fat man is gone! I don't care that he won us an Orange Bowl. Hell, I don't care if he won us a national championship! If all those allegations are true then I don't want someone like that representing our university. It's just like if Bobby Knight were coaching our basketball team, yes we would have had a championship or 2 a lot sooner than 2008, but at what cost? Making our university look bad and abusing players?...I don't think so. That's why KU would never even consider hiring a guy like that, same goes for Mangino.

Vic Janeway 9 years, 10 months ago

fat people are usually abusive towards others, best to belittle someone before they mention your weight. I do believe he was the morale downfall of this team. Look Briscoe Meier and Reesing are freaking talented period, they should have had a better season then what they got. Bowen didnt help either, but no one on defense got the job done in the end......I am hoping Lew Perkins at least keeps Warriner, I still love the spread offense! ROCK CHALK JAYHAWKS GO KU! Good Luck Seniors!

jayhawkr34 9 years, 10 months ago

I havent read every post, but it pisses me off that Coach Mangino is gone. When is Lew the slug gonna resign!! He wont, but exactly how long do we lose every game now that Lew the slug doesnt resign.....if we go by his standard if we lose 7 games next year i call for his head. I never liked him anyway. I dont watch KU sports so we can make more money than all the other schools. Shame on you Lew the slug!! Shame Shame.

justsmile2day 9 years, 10 months ago

Wow, some of you I truly hope that your not Die Hard Jayhawk fans, how embarrassing. I'm glad my ten year old daughter is more mature than this, wow..

9 years, 10 months ago

Thanks for the link, kranny. Another well-written article by Jason King with good analysis.

Steve Brown 9 years, 10 months ago

ocngiver: says- fat people are usually abusive towards others, best to belittle someone before they mention your weight. I do believe he was the morale downfall of this team.

yeah and tall people are always looking down on me.

are you serious, the heavy, thin, young old people I know are not abusive in any way, maybe you need to move to a new community. so sad for you.

try this, be nice to everyone you meet this week, even the mean fat ones, and see how they treat you pal. Mark was a head case, but the exception not the rule.

Steve Brown 9 years, 10 months ago

Jeremiah29 writes the following: Well, it is a sad day for KU athletics indeed. The "cage" fighting episodes between members of the footall and basketball teams was the beginning of the end......I can't believe, however, that Mangino's approach was any more outlandish that the approach of any other coach at this level. "

well part of it is true. yes, the rumble was the beginning of the end, because it EXPOSED his heavy hand and emotioinal lack of control. he lost me & the team the week that happended & we all knew it then by his comments in the papers that were unbeliavable. He said he didn't need to look into it, he wouldn't have a meeting to air out the happenings, he didn't need to listen to anyone about the incidents, then he said "it is over, trust me!"

code word for I smacked some sense into them, there will be no more fights, trust me.

We know what abusers mean by 'trust me'. It is I came home and straightened out the wife. Trust me. It is a favorite phrase of control freaks.

J29 yes, it was the beginning of the end, because the control freak feared he had lost some control, and used his fall back fear tactics to get it back. In doing so, he ripped the heart out of this team and went 0-7 thereafter.

news flash: TTEch just hired big mark as their new BBall coach, go kick some a$$ and instill some discipline down there.

Steve Brown 9 years, 10 months ago

Jim Rome national radio show about to interview jason w. on the mangino mess, 610 in KC area.

some of you may not like Jason as he is heavy, or dislikes MM, but I like him as he tells the truth.

Steve Brown 9 years, 10 months ago

Jim Rome national radio show about to interview jason w. on the mangino mess, 610 in KC area.

Steve Brown 9 years, 10 months ago

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/columnists/jason_whitlock/story/1609545.html

If you consider yourself open minded and a Mark defender, you may elect to enlighten yourself with Jason's comments.

wonderful wizard of oz has blown away

Steve Brown 9 years, 10 months ago

jdwell which part of his article do you disagree?

petty5069 9 years, 10 months ago

Coach Mangino deserves respect in light of all that's been alleged the past couple of weeks. I wish only the best for him and his family. He did bring good things to the KU program and we will continue to reap those benefits now that he's gone. We will be able to get a better caliber replacement coach. Lew Perkins needs to be investigated. He is a charter member of the Good Ole Boys club. Jerry Kill at Northern Illinois would be a good coach to consider. As far as fans and some of the things said here, there are just rude people in the world, they just never learned any different. It does concern me that fans left the stadium. The athletes notice this, and they take it personally. Their hard work and dedication deserves better. I do think the basketball program has spoiled the fans into thinking that we can achieve that level of greatness easily in all programs. It's a goal, but it's not easily attained or retained.

beebe1 9 years, 10 months ago

Don't be so anxious to get a coach in a hurry. All the good ones have bowl games coming up. They won't even talk to you till the season for bowls is over!

The best I see out there is Kelly from Cinti! Local rumor has it that he is considering moving up into the big leagues. He makes about half what MM made. He won't be available to talk till the bowl season is over.

The other good ones I hear about are in the same status, Don't know about TX -- but if they are really any good, they're headed for bowl games, too! Kelly could recruit in OH, KY, etc. We have some good guys working to recruit TX. Maybe branch out a little.

trmatlock 9 years, 10 months ago

A football team without discipline and accountability has no chance. If you canned every coach in America who has yelled at his players or (heaven forbid) poked them in the chest, how many would be left. Todays athletes are a bunch of cry babies. They need to man up and take responsibility for their actions and performance- both on and off the field.

JMO23 9 years, 10 months ago

I sort of have mixed emotions right now because I am very thankful for what MM has done here at KU. Orange Bowl and back to back bowls has never occurred before he arrived. Also I feel like some of the players are a bunch of complainers who can't take constructive criticism cough cough Arist Wright cough cough. On the other hand, stories about what he said to raymond brown and joe mortensen are just way out of line. Also the DT Kripp is an inexcuseable act of pure cruelty. I feel if Mangino was kept around it would be hard to recruit top athletes because who wants to go to a coach that goes over the line with verbal abuse and punishment.

Alll that being said I hope Lew goes out and finds an outstanding coach. Charlie Strong would be a nice hire and so would Skip Holtz. Not a fan of Edstal and think Jim Harbaugh would be an outstanding hire but not sure on the possibility of that happening.

petty5069 9 years, 10 months ago

I think most of the players were "manned up." Honestly, (and I don't mean to insult anyone), but there are times when coaches must talk to players in language they understand to get their attention. These kids came from high schools where they were studs and more than likely never did anything wrong, right? They were the stud, and the fans, coaches, players worshiped them. They come to a college team where the playing field is level, and they might have difficulty with that. Coaches use different tactics for discipline, but sometimes it takes a poke in the chest and harsh discipline to get their attention, and words they understand without a doubt. Right or wrong, it happens. The KU players, for the most part, are a great group of kids. KIDS. YOUNG ADULTS. Fans can be cruel and hurtful, and I, for one, am grateful for their hard word and dedication.

WisconsinJayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

The opening sentence "For a man known largely for his intensity and fire..." should be changed to "For a man known for his largeness and being fired..."

Steve Brown 9 years, 10 months ago

Petty5069 if his tirades were limited to the football players I would concur he was just 'manning them up'.

Since it flowed into a host of others not on the team, I share a different view.

KURocksChalk 9 years, 10 months ago

The book on KU is fickle, very fickle, increasingly politically correct, and increasingly feminist with a solid commitment to Title 9. All of this does not bode well for KU Football.

Husker Fans have been all over this. After the record performance against them in 07 they are estatic. Hard to believe that just in his second season after National Coach of the Year, this University has decided they think they can do better. I am really, really disappointed in the University of Kansas today. Lew, you better make a tremendous hire or you will be gone, too.

TexasHawk44 9 years, 10 months ago

Hey Cat Stevens (er, I mean: jwliddell) please go back to firing up your bong and chasing moon shadows on the corrugated walls of your single-wide trailer. You must have laced your weed with some speed today because you are pumping out a prolific amount of stupidity on the boards today. Please just go back to the sticky stuff and lay off the speed -- that way you will quit posting and get back to Cheetos and Sponge Bob reruns... Peace (Train) Out...

Steve Brown 9 years, 10 months ago

Mark, would you leave your blue addias jacket in your office so we may hang it in the case with the orange bowl trophy. If I can find any self control I won't pick on your any more, enjoy the movie.

Joseph Kuebel 9 years, 10 months ago

Perkins and the KU administration filled Memorial Stadium, changing the tailgate policies, aggressively marketing to fans and tying football ticket sales to a point system that influences Allen Fieldhouse seating. Perkins and his staff raised the money for the new football facilities. Mangino is notoriously bad at working the booster campaign trail. - Whitlock KCSTAR

Jeffery Stadler 9 years, 10 months ago

If Lew simply hires his boy out of UConn doesn't everybody think this thing stinks of a set up. First a minor accusation then call those that are disgruntled like Jacque Crawford who commited vehicular assult, stand back and let the fire feed itself. Even reference a horrible call where he stood up for his players on a horses*** call and say that is an example of him being out of control. This smells very bad Lew. We better not suck!

Joseph Kuebel 9 years, 10 months ago

Thank god this over, all you hillbillies can shove it.

Sorry to say I told you so, but I told you so- your fellow racist fatman is gone you filthy Kansas hicks that make the rest of our state and All of lawrence, KS look bad. Lawrence KS is liberal and doesn't treat people that way. Go to Mizzou or Kstate you fat hick, Mangino. Go talk crap on mizzou players getting shot, or Kstate...

As stated the only reason it took so long is so we don't have to pay him fully!

Thanks y'all! Bye Now!

P.S.: He's gonna die in the next 3 years anyways he's that unhealthy... He is not good for this program and anyone who thinks he really should have stayed is NOT A TRUE KU football fan. Not even close.

John Pritchett 9 years, 10 months ago

“I didn’t make a change,” Perkins said. “Coach resigned.”

I REALLY don't like this guy.

And btw, CaliHawk33, way to represent for those enlightened liberals. I'm glad you don't treat people badly the way "fat hicks" and "racist fatmen" do. I'm glad some people are above that kind of verbal abuse.

trmatlock 9 years, 10 months ago

CaliHawk33- You need to calm down and take a breath. Then you should read your posting. You obviously have your own anger issues. You are so out of cotrol that you don't know when to capitalize or punctuate. You may die tomorrow. It sounds like your brain is about to explode. Have fun with that.

All of that being said, I hope Lew hires the best coach available. It would also be my greatest wish that the next coach does as much for the program as Mark Mangino did.

Rock Chalk!

ku_foaf 9 years, 10 months ago

Franchione should not be considered as a candidate, and I doubt he is. Did we forget what he did at ATM? He released injury reports only to members of a special paid group, from we he was receiving money. It had an extremely ugly smell of insider information for gambling purposes.

jhokfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Calihawk:

You're very quick to point out who are the real fans in most of your posts. I think what you really mean is anyone who does not agree with your opinion is not a "true fan". Guess what, easily half of KU nation wanted Mangino to stay. The same people who fill Memorial Stadium and donate money to the Williams fund are in your opinion not true fans. I think a more accurate definition of a true fan is one who sticks with the program through bad times as well as good times. It dismays me that so many people who call themselves KU fans are trashing Mangino even after his departure. If I were a coaching prospect considering KU I would not so much as give it a glance after reading the comments that have been posted here the last two weeks.

IBRONNIEB 9 years, 10 months ago

Rather than joining in all the bashing going on here, I just want to say Thank You to Coach Mangino for all you did, or attempted to do, that was positive, for KU football. While Im still trying to understand how the anger management issues only became
important when we started to lose. They never the less were your downfall. And I hope you can get them under control. Because I think you are a very good coach. Who deserves to coach again somewhere, sometime. While we have to embrace change, that Orange Bowl Trophy will forever be (your) stamp, on our football program. Good Luck coach! Thanks for bringing KU football to back respectability. Some of us do appreciate what it took to recover from the Allen years.

jayhawk92 9 years, 10 months ago

jwiddell - really? Get Cancer and die a slow painful death? That is probably the most insensitive and stupid thing I have ever read. The closest person on this earth to me is going through this. We live day to day. It really makes me sad that there are people out there that make such moronic statements as these. Grow up.

We had some excellent times under Mangino. The highs were very high. The lows were very low. I'm confident that we can continue to make Jayhawk nation proud with our next hire. Onward and upward. In Lew I trust.

RCJHGKU!

Steve Brown 9 years, 10 months ago

General George Custer, led the 0-7th out of kansas, was a darling of the eastern press. Many say he was on track as a future president. His leadership was daring and for years accomplished unexpected victories due to his boldness and high performance of his loyal men.

Those that knew him were aware & often admired his egostistical reckless personality. His defenders said that war is tough, and you have to be bold. His detractors said he was out of bounds with his rule out of fear, what he called discipline and structure, and his failure to take orders. He certainly had trouble managing the clock as he arrived in battle prior to his reserves. He wouldn't listen to his scouts that warned against riding into little big horn. He thought he was invincible.

after the 0-7th Calvary massacre some said, why are his character flaws only an issue today. The folks in the war dept. knew that it was his lack of control and character flaws that led to his scalping & loss of his men.

It wasn't that these flaws became apparant after the 7th losses, it was in fact, his penance for uncontrollable violence that led to them.

One man that in fact did die on his feet. I hope I didn't bash anyone living.

s6u6r6f 9 years, 10 months ago

kuwells,

His name is Mark? Are you sure? Has it always been? Well, I'll be. So who the heck is Mike Mangino?

Rock chalk

rock_chalk00 9 years, 10 months ago

Come on people . This is KANSAS . Let's all quit bashing mangino and each other . There are other even bigger fish in the lake to bash than ourselves . who you say ? O lets see , Roy Williams , Mizz. Oklahoma , Texas , Nebraska , K-ST. , N. Carolina and a few others but it would just take tooooo long to name them all . Lets all get back in harmony . You ready ? ROCK CHALK , JAYHAWK , K.U. There , doesent that sound so much beter ? I think so .

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