Oregon defeats Kansas, 74-60

  • 7:49 p.m., March 25, 2017
  • T-Mobile Center, Kansas City, MO

Saturday, March 25, 2017

Bitter end: Shots don’t fall, Jayhawks dropped in Elite Eight against Oregon

A deflated Kansas guard Devonte' Graham walks to the bench during a KU timeout in the second half on Saturday, March 25, 2017 at Sprint Center.

A deflated Kansas guard Devonte' Graham walks to the bench during a KU timeout in the second half on Saturday, March 25, 2017 at Sprint Center.


— After steam-rolling their way through the first three games of this year’s NCAA Tournament at a record pace, top-seeded Kansas ran into a team equally as willing to run and just as confident Saturday night at Sprint Center.

The result was the unexpected crash landing of a season that flew so high so often but never could get off the runway in the season finale. Oregon started hot, played looser and knocked down 51 percent of its shots, including 11 of 25 from 3-point range, en route to knocking off the top-seeded Jayhawks, 74-60, in the Elite Eight.

“Every team that makes a run in this tournament gets one crappy game where stuff just doesn’t go well for them,” said subdued KU freshman Josh Jackson in the locker room after the loss. “But you gotta win that game, no matter what. This was our one game, unfortunately, and we didn’t win.”

The Jayhawks (31-5) led just once all game, at 3-2, and even that brief advantage carried with it an indication of what kind of night it was going to be for the Kansas offense. The Jayhawks did not score until the 16:14 mark when Lagerald Vick’s 3-pointer from the wing put Kansas ahead 3-2. But that lead lasted just 32 seconds and KU spent the rest of the night in catch-up mode.

For a team that thrived in that role all season, playing from behind was nothing new. And, really, it did not even seem to bother the Jayhawks all that much. Having found ways to fight back nearly a dozen times during a thrilling season, Kansas expected the same to happen on Saturday night.

“We all did, throughout the whole game,” Jackson said. “None of us ever thought we were gonna lose the game no matter what the scoreboard read, but the lid just wouldn’t come off the rim for us. Shots that we normally make didn’t fall.”

Kansas ended what many thought was destined to be a run back to the Final Four with its worst shooting night of the season, finishing 21-of-60 for 35 percent. The most damaging spot on the floor for the Jayhawks in this one was not the free throw line, where KU finished 13-of-17, but, instead, behind the 3-point line, where KU connected on just five of 25 3-point attempts on the same floor where, two days earlier, the Jayhawks tied a season-best with 15 3-point makes.

“We were trying too hard,” said KU coach Bill Self, whose team was just 1-of-15 from downtown in the second half and watched junior Devonte’ Graham finish the night without making a single shot in seven tries. “That’s a common theme with athletes. I kept saying, ‘Hey, somebody’s gonna make a shot, the lid’s coming off, we’re gonna be fine.’ We never did.”

By far the biggest development of the first half — and likely the game — was the two fouls called on Jackson in the first 2:37 of game time.

The first foul, a bump on a 50-50 rebound, came at the 17:40 mark of the first half and was hardly anything anyone could argue. Even Jackson said that was a foul after the game.

His second, though, a hand-check on a driving Dillon Brooks, came just 17 seconds later and was heavily disputed by Jackson and the KU bench.

“The second foul was complete bullcrap,” Jackson said in the locker room. “It shouldn’t have been called. Wasn’t a foul. That’s all I had to say about it.”

Either way, KU coach Bill Self immediately asked Jackson to grab a seat next to him — in favor of sophomore Lagerald Vick — and Jackson stayed there for the next 8:38 of game action and returned to the floor at the 8:45 mark of the first half, with KU down 17-16.

Jackson’s replacement, Lagerald Vick, the same player who filled in when Jackson was suspended during the opening game of the Big 12 tournament two weeks ago, immediately made his presence felt by draining a 3-pointer with 16:11 to play in the first half to put Kansas on the board. The fact that the Jayhawks and Ducks (33-5) had combined for just five points in the game’s first four minutes, while a huge lift for the under-bettors in Las Vegas, no doubt came as a surprise to everybody watching.

“”I thought I did all right,” said Vick, fighting back tears. “I could’ve done better.”

Vick’s early contributions did not end with the jumper. He made good decisions throughout his first five minute on the floor, playing under control and finding the open man when available. First was Landen Lucas for a dunk that pulled KU within five and, on the next possession, he calmly flipped a pass (instead of forcing a shot) to a trailing Svi Mykhailiuk, who drilled a rhythm 3-pointer to cut Oregon’s lead to 12-10.

After another KU stop, Vick crashed the offensive glass and was fouled, earning two free throws that temporarily tied the game at the 11:51 mark of the first half.

Regardless of how well Vick filled in, the absence of of the Jackson the Jayhawks had seen improve and grow more aggressive week after week, month after month, was a huge blow, both in the moment and throughout the rest of the game.

“I feel like it took me out of the game and made it really hard for me to come back in and get going again,” Jackson said. “My teammates did a great job of staying in the game while I was out but it just took me out of the game.”

While the Ducks found their rhythm offensively — shooting 60 percent overall and 58 percent from 3-point range during the first half — Mason, once again, kept the Jayhawks in it.

“It’s really hurting me right now to see them going out like that. He was amazing the first half,” said Vick of Mason who scored 17 first-half points and finished with 21 while playing all 40 minutes. “He carried us. Guys usually feed off of his energy, but tonight shots just didn’t fall for us.”

The All-American point guard, as he had done throughout the season, delivered all over the floor, scoring in transition, on drives in KU’s half-court sets and from 3-point range. His missed three that left him undercut and landing on his side led to three free throws that cut the Oregon lead to 27-26 with 5:59 to play in the half.

But the Ducks outscored Kansas 17-7 the rest of the half, including an 8-0 run to close the half, that featured a banked-in 3-pointer from Tyler Dorsey (27 points on 9-of-13 shooting) at the halftime buzzer that gave Oregon a 44-33 lead at the break.

“It put some momentum in their locker room,” Jackson said. “Two flukey 3s that Dorsey hit just fell. It was just one of those days, shots were falling for them and they weren’t for us.”

The Ducks emerged from the locker room determined to pick up where they left off and did just that. In building a lead of as many as 18 points (55-37) early in the second half, the Ducks continued to torch the nets, keeping their shooting hovering around 60 percent as many as eight minutes into the second half.

Kansas, as everyone surely expected it would, mounted a couple of monster charges, but the Jayhawks expended an awful lot of effort and energy in a suddenly wild and wide-open game without drawing much closer.

Kansas trailed 57-41 at the 11:57 mark and still trailed by 13 after another 3-pointer by Dorsey with 6:39 to play.

That was about the time the Jayhawks began their final charge, and, even without much luck on the offensive end, it almost was enough.

A huge 3-pointer in the corner from Svi Mykhailiuk at the 2:50 mark pulled Kansas within six and, after the Jayhawks forced another Oregon miss on the ensuing possession, it looked as if the Jayhawks were in business.

But instead of grabbing the rebound of a rare miss by Dorsey and looking to cut into the lead further, Jackson and Mason tipped the rebound away from each other and into the waiting hands of Oregon big man Jordan Bell. Thirteen seconds later, Dorsey redeemed himself and drilled a 3-pointer from the wing that essentially ended the game.

“That was a critical possession,” said Mason of the flubbed rebound. “If we would have got the ball on that possession, gave us a chance to make it a one or two possession game. We just couldn't come up with the ball."

Added Jackson: “It was a pretty big play. Like I said, we couldn’t catch a break. We get that rebound, we get some momentum going, crowd starts giving us a little bit of energy, maybe it’s a whole different game. Maybe we go make a 3 or score a 2 and get them on their heels a little bit, but it just didn’t happen.”

Instead, it was the Jayhawks who were on their heels as the Ducks ran out the clock and celebrated with their small section of fans that, by game’s end, were every bit as loud as the pro-KU crowd on hand.

The loss ends KU’s season in the Elite Eight for the second year in a row and drops Self to 2-7 in regional finals, including a 2-5 mark at Kansas.

While last year’s Elite Eight loss to Villanova stuck with the Jayhawks all offseason and fueled their run to get back to this point in 2017, it’s hard to say what this loss will mean for the Jayhawks’ uncertain future.

Mason and senior center Landen Lucas are gone. Jackson, though not showing his hand either way in the locker room after the loss, likely will join them in leaving Lawrence. And at least a couple of other Jayhawks figure to spend at least some time mulling over their future plans.

None of that mattered on Saturday night, though, when the Jayhawks sat stunned in the losing locker room, trying to make sense of what just happened and wondering how a season that went so well could end the way it did.

“Playing poorly or us not preparing ’em right or us not playing our best game shouldn’t take away from the fact that we had a great year,” Self said. “To have special years, you gotta perform well in the NCAA Tournament and we performed this year as well as we ever have in three games. Final Four would’ve made it special and we obviously fell short.”

Added Mykhailiuk: “It’s hard. We were really sure that we could do it this year, but we came up short.”

By the Numbers: Oregon 74, Kansas 60

By the Numbers: Oregon 74, Kansas 60

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Steve Johnson 5 years, 4 months ago

About the worst performance I have seen from a Jayhawk team. The blame is as much the coaches as the players. I have watched every game this year and this was by far the most pathetic I have seen. jackson, you didn't show up. Lucas, were you there tonight. Graham, should have played Tyler Self you were that bad, Mason, you are still the #1 payer in the land and gave everything you had. Self, maybe time to think about moving on. You can't deliver in the big games and thats what you get paid millions to do. What a horrible finish to a great season. No excuses other than not being prepared.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 4 months ago

10 points, 12 reb, 5 assists for Jackson in 30 minutes while playing at least 10 of those minutes in foul trouble does not equal "didn't show up".

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 4 months ago

The majority of those points came w/less than 10 min in the 2nd half. He only made THREE baskets, two of which were layups. He had 5 TO's. If you think Josh showed up last night, you don't pay much attention.

And I think Josh is the best freshman in college this year. He had an overall great season but last night was perhaps his worst game of the year.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 4 months ago

Would it have been a better game if the points didn't come in crunch time when we were trying to make a comeback but struggling offensively? Points are points as far as the scoreboard is concerned but I'd argue the fact that they came at the end is a positive, not a negative. That means he didn't give up and was getting buckets when we needed them the most. It's not like they came at the end because he was in with the scrubs for the last couple minutes or something.

It was certainly not anywhere near his best game but it wasn't his worst either, and it sure as hell wasn't a "didn't show up" moment. Had he played that other 7-10 minutes of the first half (had he not had the cheap second foul called), you can bet he'd got a few more buckets, a few more rebounds, maybe another assist, maybe a free throw, and suddenly we're looking at a 13-15 pts/13-15 reb/5-7 assist game. Unfortunately the foul situation didn't allow that.

Lets look at a few games that were worse for Jackson: TCU game when he was 2-8, had 4 points, 2 reb, 3 assists, and a turnover Iowa State game when he was 3-11, 0-2 from three, for 6 points, 8 reb, 5 assists, and 4 turnovers.

Len Shaffer 5 years, 4 months ago

Steve, you can't possibly be that stupid, can you??? You really think that Self should leave KU??? You really think someone better is going to come along???

Lord, how losses bring out the idiots among us!

Clara Westphal 5 years, 4 months ago

Self won't leave Kansas. If he did, he would have to pay income taxes on his millions of dollars income. Millionaires in Kansas don't have to pay income tax like the rest of us do.

David Lara 5 years, 4 months ago

I don't think income taxes are in his list of worries. What the hell does this have to do with anything?? Did you know there are states where there are no income taxes?

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 4 months ago

Josh Jackson is never pathetic. That's ridiculous. It's just too bad he had his worst game along with several other players.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 4 months ago

The thing is Steve, if you want to fire Coach Self then you're going to need someone to replace him. How would you sell a perspective coach a job at Kansas when the last coach was fired after a 30 game win season, a 13th consecutive conference championship and an Elite 8 finish?

Believe me, I felt like throwing my remote through a relatively new 55 inch Visio.

In fact, I needed to leave the house and get away from any dips**t thinking it was a good time to call me. I didn't watch any basketball today and probably won't watch the final 4.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 4 months ago

For someone claiming I don't make any intelligent comments, it's interesting that this comment is very similar to one I made in the other article yesterday where I said no good coach would take this job if Self was fired unless they were just looking to cash out, legacy be damned.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 4 months ago

Law of averages. Sooner or later you had to say something intelligent.

Joe Ross 5 years, 4 months ago

This one is on Coach Self. I read that article where he was, in effect, taking it easy going into the Oregon game. That should NEVER happen in the tournament. Mentally the guys were beaten at the outset of the game. Lack of preparation...

Creg Bohrer 5 years, 4 months ago

Did you really think we'd make it this far after Dok was injured and Carlton's lack of development? I know I didn't..

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 4 months ago

Joe happens to be 100% correct. You could see from the outset that KU and Oregon were on completely different levels and most of that came from mental preparation- or lack of it.

David Lara 5 years, 4 months ago

And where do you "see" that? You are absolutely wrong. This wasn't a game where you could see Kansas low energy at all. Effort, desire, preparation were all there. SHOTS WERE NOT FALLING. 3 pointers are what decided this game. Plain and simple. Is there any logical and provable explanation for the fact that KU shot their worst game of the year and Oregon made shots they wouldn't be able to replicate again?

Tom Jones 5 years, 4 months ago

Yeah, no. They were ready to play. Josh was clearly nervous and sped up but he has been in many games at the beginning. Him getting taken out for the first half was huge for a lot reasons. Was it Self's fault Josh was nervous or that he got in "foul" trouble? I don't think so.

The rest of them didn't look "tight" or nervous at all.

They got outplayed, not outcoached. Sorry. Gotta make baskets, and we had our chances.

Alex Berger 5 years, 4 months ago

For all the flack Self is going to get about this game, he did a great job coaching a starting lineup that had 1 top 80 player from their respective recruiting classes. If Graham, Svi, and Bragg return and improve this will be another top 5 team. Winning the NCAA tournament requires a bit of luck being a single elimination tournament, and I'm grateful Self always brings a team that has a shot in March.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 4 months ago

Mason #73

Graham #36

Svi 5 Star

Vick was reclassified but was #36 for 2016. As it was he came in at #83

Bragg #21

Jackson #1

I know, Bragg didn't start but your claim of having only one top 80 player from their respective recruiting classes is ridiculously wrong.

All it took was 5 minutes of researching to completely debunk your post. But Shannon believes you, although she doesn't seem very smart.

Did you just pick the number 80 out of thin air?

Alex Berger 5 years, 4 months ago

Not that you'll read this at this point but here's where I got my information after more than 5 minutes of research. For instance, 247sports is a recruiting website that does player rankings based on a composite score of other recruiting websites. Hence, where 80 came from.

Obviously, you just went to rivals, that reclassifies rankings AFTER big schools find diamonds in the rough. I happen to follow recruiting year round and notice things like Mason was a 3* prospect, Kansas signs him, and then rivals does a redo on their rankings before the year ends so they don't look silly. Same with Graham. Same with Vick.

Surely, you have heard enough about how our top 2 guards were about to go to Appalachian State and Townson because no one else recruited them.

So I look at multiple recruiting websites when I do my research.

247 sports does composite rankings. (you can change it by year) ESPN

Also, I said starters. Vick and Bragg weren't starters most of the year. Vick's ranking was changed well after Kansas signed him, same with Svi, and he was a late sign. Jackson was the only one consistently ranked in top 80. Point is Self took a team of "non-elite" talent and turned them into a #1 seed and had everyone expecting a championship. Well done Self.

For you on the other hand, the fact you had to be such a jerk and so ignorantly wrong is a bad combination Marius.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 4 months ago

"So I look at multiple recruiting websites when I do my research."

I would do that also if I was cherry picking to find info to back me up.

And Shannon errr Alex, you seem to have a lot of animosity towards me for someone who hasn't posted in the last 2 years. Maybe I should also make some fake aliases who will agree with me.

What a tool!

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 4 months ago

For you Shannon:

Shannon is gone, I hope she's drifting out to sea She always loved to swim away Maybe she'll find an island with a shaded tree Just like the one in our backyard

Alex Berger 5 years, 4 months ago

We also have 5 top 50 recruits that will be available to us next year in Newman, Az, Preston, Garrett, and Cunliffe. Hopefully that will mean a much deeper bench to work with.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 4 months ago

Stop it with all of this logic, you're going to make someone's head explode with all of these facts!

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 4 months ago

Fact: a thing that is indisputably the case.

You just don't get it do you?

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 4 months ago

What's not factual? 5 top 50 recruits? The names of those recruits? Or are you arguing over the use of the word "recruit" when referring to players who will play their first season for us? If that's the case, it's another case of your poor reading comprehension not allowing you to interpret the meaning of his statement: that we'll have 5 top 50 ranked players on the team next year that either didn't play this year, or were injured very early in the season and therefore weren't available to play during the part of the season that really matters (Big 12 season, Big 12 tourney, NCAA tourney).

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 4 months ago

Am I supposed to direct this to Shannon or Alex? I mean we both know it is the same person but I'll keep pretending if you want me to. Weird that you have both a male and female persona. Was this a difficult choice for you growing up?

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 4 months ago

Preston hasn't academically qualified yet. Thank God we got 2 transfers as we only have 2 commitments from 2 recruits. When ranking recruiting classes, transfers don't count but if Preston qualifies then yes, I am also very excited.

Having the 35th ranked recruiting class is below par for Coach Self .

Alex Berger 5 years, 4 months ago

Chicken and the egg. High school guards like Trae Young are scared off by the fact we have Malik Newman, and high school big men see we have Bragg and Az waiting to play. Besides Duke and Kentucky, most teams struggle to recruit players that will be guaranteed to sit the bench their 1st year.

Bottom line: we will hopefully have a good mix of top 50 recruits on our roster mixed with experience.

Steve Zimmerman 5 years, 4 months ago

What if.... those 3s were falling? We had 0/9... we would've won!! Dang it!!

Regardless, I thank our team for bringing us the excitement to the elite-8. I didn't expect they lasted this long. Unbelievable runs... Without Udoka..!! The Ducks just played better, all their shots were falling. They're the better team.

Thank you KUCMB coaches & players!!! This season turned out to be very enjoyable ride. Thank you seniors!!! I can't wait for the next season.. ROCK CHALK!!!

Lonnie Ross Dillon 5 years, 4 months ago

People, stop posting when you're emotional. It was a tough loss. It's just a game. Calling on Self to leave? Stupidest comment ever...

Joe Ross 5 years, 4 months ago

This has nothing to do with emotion. It has everything to do with the realization that it's a coach's job to prepare a team to play, and the Jayhawks simply came not ready to play. Not in mindset, not in X's and O's, not in execution. We had all the advantages: a team that plays our style, home court, player of the year, a top draft pick, the nations best backcourt, and on and on. We simply werent prepared for Oregon. Coach Self admitted he did little to prepare them. It showed tonight. End of season.

I've praised Coach Self. He deserved it. But someone who praises and never criticizes is called a sycophant. A "homer" in sports terms. This one's on him. You have to prepare a team to play!!!!! We had no sense of urgency in the beginning. We looked cocky from the outset, as if Oregon could be taken for granted. Coach's press conferences prior to the game did not appropriately characterize the level of the challenge we were facing.

While the hands-on Altman is busy lacing up his shoes and breaking a sweat, Kansas coach Bill Self will be taking more of a hands-off approach. By this point, and with this team, Self has complete trust and faith in what his players can and will do when the lights are on the season is hanging in the balance.

--Notebook: Altman, Self use different approaches to prepare teams for Elite Eight battle

This looked like a team whose coach took a hand-off approach.

Gerry Butler 5 years, 4 months ago

Joe tell you what, I'll tell you just what or coach told us - - -told our big stud player. Coach said Randal this is an APPARTUS - -Randal this is a BASKET now Randal take the BALL to the APPARTUS - -you can talk all you want about having the guys prepared as you say as you say - - but the bottom line is Coach Self can not step on the court and make shot for them , that comes from their OWM preparation. He can run them through things over and over and over, but come game time they are the one's who have to execute. bottom line you have to be able to make the shot, you have to be able to defend he can't be on the floor doing that for them, that's on them

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 4 months ago

Sorry Gerry but a large part of coaching is inspirational. Anyone who has grown up playing basketball at a high level can teach x's and o's but only a few can take the individual players and mold them into something greater than their individual parts.

Pregame preparation isn't just going into the locker room with an inspirational speech but it's getting your players prepared to get knocked down and having the strength to get back up and play every possession until the clock runs out. I didn't see that in Kansas last night.

David Lara 5 years, 4 months ago

Come on, Joe. Let's not try and over analyze this. Were you the only one who wasn't laughing to hear Altman was representing Frank Mason in their preparation? Instead of noting how ridiculous it would be for a man who's athletic days have long been finished to try and recreate the capabilities of a NPOY, you arrive at a conclusion about how he prepares his kids with a "hands-on" approach instead of the "hands-off" approach of Self. Gonna give you some room to digest what you just did.

You use pretty obvious speculation to say that Self didn't prepare his kids and Altman did. There is nothing to support this. I didn't see any lack of intensity, desire, or effort in this game, which, by the way, have nothing to do with the "hands-on" approach that you somehow praised Altman for. Both teams were getting after it, one just began making shots they could only dream of, and the other could not find their stroke to save their life (or their season). This game came down to threes. It was the biggest single factor in disparity between the two and anything else is a distant 2nd. To try and create another narrative can only call upon non-empirical elements that have as much basis in EMOTION as anything else. Let's be realistic here. Not saying Self is above criticism, but it is sure difficult to make a case for it with anything other than speculation and a pretty shaky cause-effect leap with your Self vs Altman binary.

Caden Ford 5 years, 4 months ago


"We had all the advantages: a team that plays our style, home court, player of the year, a top draft pick, the nations best backcourt, and on and on."

If we had all the advantages, then that means we had the better front court correct?? Oh wait...

Absolutely NOT Coach Self's fault. I love the Jayhawks and I love each and every guy on his team...but Coach Self isn't the one taking the shots out there. We desperately needed more bigs and inside game (not only tonight, but throughout the season) We found ways to survive throughout the year without Dok, but sooner or later the ride would come to an end. Of course there are different things that could have been said or called or what not, but I guarantee if KU hits some three's tonight and we win by a few points, none of his would be talked about.. But all of the sudden we have guys come up short and having an off night, so it's automaticallfy having all fingers pointed at the coach....I don't think so. Guys just didn't hit shots that fell on Thursday. Simple as that...

Joe Ross 5 years, 4 months ago

Youre missing something. On one night everything goes in. On another night no shots fall. You think that has nothing to do with mindset? Its not like the shooting mechanics of the players changed. Its not like theyre different players. These are the same guys. Ive watched the tournament for 40 years and one thing I can tell you in that time is that Kansas gets in trouble in the tournament when they underestimate their opponent. Stanford. VCU. UTEP. Bucknell. Bradley. Northern Iowa. And on and on. We took a breath after Purdue and relaxed mentally. We thought, "Oh, we dont have a size disadvantage to contend with". Or "oh...we can beat them because they play our style". You could see it in the media coverage, both local and national. You come off a big blowout, youre in your own back yard, you got the POY and JJ, etc. Then NO PREPARATION FOR THE DUCKS??? Are you serious???

We relaxed on a team you cant relax on. Once the ball was tipped it was too late to make the mental adjustment. Thats why those shots werent falling.

Caden Ford 5 years, 4 months ago

No, I'm good. And yeah I am serious. Hahaha. I think I hit the nail on the head. You must be delusional because you are critically overthinking the scenario probably to cope with the loss. WAKE UP!!! Tell me every game you listed, how exactly Coach Self lost us the game. Because if I remember correctly, we've had some injuries, we had some plays not go our way, and so on. We fell short again of the goal that EVERY team in the NCAA Div 1. sets early in the year. Not all on Coach Self...everyone has off nights. Are you the 19 and 20 year old players out there, hearing all of the talk about making the Final Four and seeing what people and fans say on social media?? Then HAVING to go out there and prove it? How is that Bill's fault? You can say all you want about Bill being calm or relaxed and helping them move on will make the players make shotsetc. but that doesn't mean they still won't feel the pressure or have an off night.. We are all going to have our different viewpoints, I guess i just have a different mindset. Playing collegiate football, when we come up short in a game we should have won, people were quick to point to our Coach. But as the player who was on the field, playing in the game. It was definitely on me and my teammates, because we didn't step up and make the plays and do what we are capable of. We had an off game. We Felt the pressure. I understand that it's ultimately the Coach that gets the heat, but sometime Coach can't always help the players when they have an subpar night..

Joe Ross 5 years, 4 months ago

I can prove you're arguing against yourself.

My point is their mindset wasnt right from lack of preparation. You contradict this point and then say, " Are you the 19 and 20 year old players out there, hearing all of the talk about making the Final Four and seeing what people and fans say on social media?? Then HAVING to go out there and prove it?"

First of all, Oregon's players are in the same crucible of the tournament, so let's not act like they didn't have pressure on them. In fact, they had more. You're facing a Kansas team that's been drubbing everybody by 30 in their own back yard. THAT'S pressure.

But you really miss the mark because playing under pressure has EVERYTHING to do with mindset, and YOU MADE THE POINT ABOUT PRESSURE YOURSELF. So if Coach doesn't prepare his team for Oregon by his own admission (he just "trusts his guys"), then how in the blue f@&# are they going to tailor their mindset to an Oregon team who definitely prepared for them?

Stop joking...

Caden Ford 5 years, 4 months ago

You are saying Oregon had MORE pressure on them then KU did??? Wow....I'm embarrassed for you. Calling yourself a Jayhawk fan. I'll let you keep your "mindset" about how in your special little world, KU fell apart due to lack of preparation, when in reality we came up short because guys didn't make shots and a great team that found ways to come back and win games late, just couldn't do it. It happens. It's not the end of the world. We are all on here complaining about basketball, when there are other issues in this world. I'm finished here. Nothing more I can really say, so please reply back with more nonsense that I probably won't even read. Thanks

Len Shaffer 5 years, 4 months ago

Caden, you are spot on. Joe, you destroy any credibility that you might have had by saying that Oregon had more pressure than KU. To quote the great John McEnroe, YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS?!?!?!?!?

It's precisely BECAUSE of all the reasons you cited that ALL THE PRESSURE was on KU!!! NO ONE expected Oregon to be able to compete, much less win. NO ONE thought that Oregon had a CHANCE. KU was EXPECTED to win, and win big. That means that ALL THE PRESSURE was on KU -- ESPECIALLY when they got behind and their shots weren't falling!!!

Joe, I don't always agree with you but you usually are smarter than to make a ridiculous comment like that.

Dan Wilson 5 years, 4 months ago

Agree with Caden and Len on this one. This wasn't on Self. The team came out slow as usual, shots weren't falling, balls weren't bouncing our way, players were still throwing up bad 3 pt shots at 4-5 mins left when we still had a chance and just needed buckets, any buckets. The only poor decision of any significance last night by Self, in my opinion, was deciding to put Jackson back in with 8 mins or so left in the 1st half. I understand why he did it, but Vick was playing pretty good. To me putting Jackson back in at that point was only going to force him to play tentative at both ends to avoid a 3rd foul before the half, making him a non-factor to end the half. 2nd half he was fine but that's the lone mistake of the night on Self in my opinion

RJ King 5 years, 4 months ago

We said the same thing about JJ at our house.

Alex Fletcher 5 years, 4 months ago

im not going to say Self did terrible or anything like that, but you did point out that we had basically no front court this season. Who's fault is that? and it wasn't because one player got hurt (Udoka). none of our bigs developed over the course of the season. Thats coaching

Daniel Kennamore 5 years, 4 months ago

If Self cant' get it done with a virtual home game for the second weekend, he doesn't deserve to remain our coach.

Since the tournament expanded to 64 teams, 40.6% of 1 seeds have made the Final Four. Bill Self has now only made the Final Four in 1/8 (12.5%) tries as a 1 seed.

Any fan who says Self is acceptable is saying being 28% below average is acceptable.

Any decent coach is going to get 1 or 2 seeds as often as KU currently does based on talent along. Stop giving him a pass for that when he obviously chokes when it really matters.

Caden Ford 5 years, 4 months ago

Your comment has nothing to do with how the game was played tonight. Please explain to me (since you seem to be the master guru of the numbers and percentages) what happened tonight? Because what I saw was KU not making baskets that we couldn't miss on Thursday. So you say fire Self for that reason? Please give me more number and percentages. So interesting to see those stats.

Gerry Butler 5 years, 4 months ago

get the hell out of here with that,man closet fans like like you come a dime a dozen, - -your really sad - -so Einstein who would you say should be the Coach? - -YOU? - -lmao do you really think before you type or do you just babble? H here is an idea mr I've never been beatin my life Hoagie in one hand Beer in the other Couch Coach of the year - -how about you just skip right on down to the athletic dept and tell them that you are the savior that will bring the program where it belongs. I'm sure they would fire Coach on the spot for you lmao

Bryan Mohr 5 years, 4 months ago

I've been critical of Self in the past. But Self isn't the guy missing wide open shots and fumbling away rebounds. Maybe the blame shouldn't even be on the players, but rather the invisible hand of bad luck. Two stats are all that mattered in this one: 11-25 for Oregon, 5-25 for KU (that's 3 pointers in case it wasn't obvious). Everyone, including Self, seemed eager to credit Oregon. I disagree. Most of KU's 3's were decent shots, they just didn't go in. Oregon on the other hand chucked up multiple ill-advised shots that went in. The luck was with Oregon, and totally absent from KU. Probably the best point guard Self has coached and the best one-and-done... and best 3-point shooting team. KU should have won the title this year. Instead, massive choke. I'm concerned that Self might leave KU, a la Roy Williams. The question from that lady post-game was stinging, "You've had five #1 seeds failing to reach Final Four... Thoughts?" The question was valid. Self is the most successful coach that is unsuccessful. Reality check for KU fans. The 2008 title was extremely lucky... a Brandon Rush blown knee, a Memphis free-throw meltdown, and a Calipari choice to not foul are three fortunate reasons Self has a title (oh, and the fact that Coach Cal's habit of recruiting violations disqualified all Memphis' wins that year). I think Self is a great coach, probably better than Roy, but just like Roy, Self can't seem to get it done in the tournament. One more thing. Yet another year where KU doesn't reach the Final Four with a one-and-done player on the roster. The one-and-done thing just isn't working for KU and Self.

Duane Peschka 5 years, 4 months ago

Steve and Joe you are right. In an analysis of the game or what did not go right or what did go wrong, FACTS A). first half POOR DEFENSE esp. on 3pt. shots, no player not even Mason, played good defense. They all stood to far away from the 2 primary 3pt. shooters: Dorsey and Brooks B). Oregon players were more aggressive and hustled more in the first half which is where the damage was done. KU players looked and ACTED flat. That is execution but more POOR COACHING. C). Poor handling of the ball during the entire game. Too many lost balls, dropped balls and missed catching the pass. In the first half, some players appeared to lack interest and thus did not perform as well as they could. D). Too many excuses from the Coach and players about how the Duck's Match-up-zone affected KU's play. COACHES SHOULD ADAPT TO DIFFERENT SITUATIONS, after all, that is one reason they are paid. Why didn't Self switch back and forth with a Match-up-zone of their own, a Triangle and two and then Man-to man defense. Our players IN THE FIRST HALF LOOKED TIRED, WHILE OREGON'S WERE OVER FLOWING WITH ENERGY. E). POOR, POOR SHOOTING by KU and not all lack of scoring was due to the Match-up-zone. Poor Technique; TOO FLAT, TOO OUT OF LINE BODY TO GOAL(OFF BALANCE), TOO SLOW AND NOT TAKING THE SHOT NOW, BUT MAKING 3 MORE PASSES AND TAKING A BAD SHOT. PLAYERS GONE NEXT YEAR: Lucas, Mason(the BEST PLAYER IN THE COUNTRY), T. Self= All Seniors, J. Jackson, he is NOT going to stay for another year even though it would help him improve on reducing his turnovers and shooting Free Throws, maybe Graham( HE IS NOT READY THIS GAME SHOWED THAT) and Mykhailiuk(HE NEEDS MORE GAME TIME TO IMPROVE HIS DEFENSE AND REBOUNDING WITH BETTER CONSISTENCY ON HIS SHOOTING). It doesn't matter whose NAMES KU has for next year expecting that would take care of making the FINAL FOUR(WHICH WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS YEAR). They are NAMES but only until they compete in COLLEGE GAMES CONSISTENTLY WITH A HIGH DEGREE OF PRODUCTIVITY WILL WE KNOW WHETHER KU HAS A CHANCE OF ADVANCING TO THE FINAL FOUR. AND NOTHING ELSE. COACH SELF MUST ANALYZE HIS DECISION MAKING IN THIS GAME TODAY, TO IDENTIFY AREAS NEEDED FOR IMPROVEMENT.

Michael Sillman 5 years, 4 months ago

Self did a great job coaching this group to that 13th title. He deserves all of the credit for that feat since he is the only common factor (besides Allen Fieldhouse) in that streak. He deserves that Coach of the Year award in the Big 12 as well as induction into the Hall of Fame.

But Self also has to take ownership of his 2-7 record in Elite Eights. His presence is the common factor in that streak as well.

I do think that Self needs to consider that his approach to the Elite Eight needs an overhaul. In general, I think he needs to be willing to throw all of his principles out the window to win those games.


You have to let a key player like Jackson stay on the floor after that second foul. Trust him to play smart through foul trouble. The four guard line up only worked well with him. Don't let yourself fall behind in an Elite Eight game.

Don't ride a cold shooter even when he's one of your go to guys. Graham still got 38 minutes despite going 0 for Saturday. His minutes should have gone to Mikhaliuk and Vick who were clearly shooting the ball better.

If your big is getting outplayed bring in others even for a glue guy like Lucas. Why not try Bragg or even Lightfoot? Don't leave any weapons unfired on the bench.

Go crazy with your defenses. Try weird stuff. Oregon shot over 50% today.

I used to go into a deep funk for days after these heartbreaks but I've come to accept that 99% of the time this is the way the season is going to end. Time to focus on football. I think Beaty has something cooking.

Tim Orel 5 years, 4 months ago

I can see your points, but without Jackson on the floor, Kansas essentially stayed within a possession of Oregon's lead. Jackson was too hyped up to start like he has been a few times this post season. Since he's likely to go pro, he won't be able to fix that next year for us. However, once he calmed down, he did play well.

I could see ways that changes might have made differences, but I feel luck really helped Oregon with shots KU usually makes clanging off and rebounds that KU gets being stolen by Oregon. It was not KU's night and I'm not sure any changes would have been enough.

Mike Tackett 5 years, 4 months ago

Same song. Different year. Hawks choke in the big one. You are what your record says it is 2-7 in Elite Eights. Big 12 Title means very little in today's world.

Gerry Butler 5 years, 4 months ago

Ya ? I want to see you go to Coach Self and go to the players and tell THEM how the Big 12 title means very little. - -Tell them after they bust their butts all year long going through their practices the grind how it means very little. I'm sure they would really appreciate your input. - Then while your at it why don't you take a little excursion and take a poll of other colleges how they would love to be able to win 13 straight conference championships ask them how something of this means so very little, your a joke, every game is a big game NOT just this one. - -There is only one winner at the end of the year there are 63 losers. - -how bout you skip on down the innerstate and root for ol squeaky, they need all the help they can get

Jerry Walker 5 years, 4 months ago

The worst thing about the loss? Having to hear the howling, spoiled rotten, pudwhackers calling for Coach Self to be fired.

Sure, I'm disappointed as heck but here's to this group of Hawks for providing us with another enjoyable season of KU basketball.

Rock Chalk.

Lance Hobson 5 years, 4 months ago

Why didn't Bragg play at all? Lucas was having his worst game of the year and was tired and flailing. Five turnovers, dropping rebounds and passes, bad body language. It wasn't his night and everyone could see he needed help. I just don't get that.

Waylon Cook 5 years, 4 months ago

If I made 5 mill a year, I could get over my stubbornness. Clearly not everyone can.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 4 months ago

You're saying Self was the same ol' coach this year he's always been? Are you out of your mind?!?!

The one who didn't use an "inside out" offense, the one who pressed at the end of games when behind? The one who played a zone during some games? The one who allowed the players to "just play" without always having them run set plays?

Get out of here with this stupid crap.

Kent Richardson 5 years, 4 months ago

Where is Svi regarding his degree? That will be a factor in his decision as he is an academic achiever.. Where is DeVonte on his? Don't know how big that is to him.

The team was not ready to play and got beat by a better team. Three games against 4 guard lineups (ISU) and we go 1 and 2. We gave up size and athleticism, desire and bravery. The game was not close really. We can say 'if we had just this or that' but we didn't get it done. Good season overall and Frank will be missed. Jackson was amazing and gave us a lot of wow moments but did he achieve greatness?

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 4 months ago

Svi is free to be a fifth-year graduate student after the semester. I couldn't see him leaving unless to go to the NBA. But I never expected Andrew White to leave Nebraska like he did.

Doug Stahler 5 years, 4 months ago

That was a great Jayhawk team. Thanks for such a great season! Only 1 sure NBA player and we only were only out of 2 games all year. We beat Kentucky, Duke, and Mich St all in the same year? what? Kept the insane conference streak going to pass on to a group next year who seems to have a lot more NBA potential. But I think thats what I really enjoyed was the way this was a team, a foe, not a bifm. What a season of excitement and entertainment (WVU -14 anyone?) Exactly like last year probably ran into the only team who could have handled us. -- JJ three more years! JK go make a huge fortune. (1 more maybe?) Great coaching job this year as well. Anyone who has played and coached knows there is no rhyme or reason to the "off day" (shooting in this case) and when the defensive poy is guarding the rim its hard to overcome.

Bob Bailey 5 years, 4 months ago

Would it have been better? Maybe, not a definite yes.

Last year our key guy was multiple guarded and got 4 pts the entire game. Had he gotten 8 pts, KU would have won by one point. Some kind of change in game plan was required.

Self is one of the best 5 or 6 coaches in all of college ball. Each has their own fault. Self's problem is to switch off his success strategy when needed. ( try Izzo, and others).

Self took a good look at switching this year. He tried it and won. Maybe he had a chance to do better, but with very hard to see options.

There is no possible way to improve our coach with anyone out there! This time, maybe we are on the right track. Maybe just criticize in a gentler way.

Kenneth Johnson 5 years, 4 months ago

What a disappointment. You have to agree that Oregon played like a championship team. But it was made easy by the fact that KU was slow, flat, and seemingly uncaring. And while they did try to make a comeback from 17 down in the second half, they missed too many opportunities to score, letting Oregon keep them at bay. In a nutshell, they just played terrible, not at all like what I’ve seen all year.

Josh Jackson, who I’ve been extremely high on, particularly as the season has progressed, just seemed to fade away after being called for a couple of fouls early in the game. His performance reminded me of Andrew Wiggins, another one-and-doner, who also disappeared in a final game loss in 2014.

Devonte Graham, who scored 26 the last game, was scoreless in the first half, and missed on several 3-pointers in the second half. Lucas hardly scored, and got outrebounded by a bunch. Other than reliable Frank Mason, everyone else was a DUD.

So disappointing. And real painful to watch.

Kenn Johnson Author of Kansas Basketball Legends (2013) and More University of Kansas Basketball Legends (2014), both published by The History Press and available from

Clara Westphal 5 years, 4 months ago

Frank and Landon deserved a better end to their college career. I wish them well for their future.

Dan Wilson 5 years, 4 months ago

All rational thinking KU fans should dismiss any so called KU "fans" calling for Self to be fired. Absolutely incredible I am even reading those types of comments the next day. I'll take Coach Self every day of the week. We've enjoyed an incredible amount of consistency with him leading the program. Does he have faults? He's human. But he doesn't play the game, ultimately the players have to execute. And sometimes balls just don't go in or bounce your way. Who'd have thought a red hot Graham couldn't buy a 3 ball against Oregon. Sometimes it is what it is. I for one hope Self is here for years. Fair to criticize him for underachieving in the tournament with all the #1 seeds he gets, but the fact that every year with him we have a credible chance is amazing. We'll break through soon enough .

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 4 months ago

Why? Because they disagree with you? Who made you the arbiter of what qualifies being a fan or not?

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