Texas Tech defeats Kansas, 45-34

  • 11 a.m., Oct. 1, 2011
  • David Booth Kansas Memorial Stadium, Lawrence, KS

Saturday, October 1, 2011

Sharing the blame: KU’s offense, defense both struggle late in Jayhawks’ 45-34 loss to Texas Tech

Kansas receiver Kale Pick has a deep pass knocked away by Texas Tech safety Terrance Bullitt during the third quarter on Saturday, Oct. 1, 2011 at Kivisto Field.

Kansas receiver Kale Pick has a deep pass knocked away by Texas Tech safety Terrance Bullitt during the third quarter on Saturday, Oct. 1, 2011 at Kivisto Field.


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Press Conferences & Post-Game Interviews

KU coach Turner Gill

Kansas coach Turner Gill talks to reporters following his team's 45-34 loss to Texas Tech on Oct. 1, 2011, at Memorial Stadium.

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You've heard coaches talk about total team victories?

Saturday, the Kansas University football team suffered a total team loss.

Despite opening their 45-34 loss to Texas Tech on a gorgeous day at Memorial Stadium with a 20-0 lead, the Jayhawks, once again, saw their defense struggle. This time, the offense matched it.

In front of a crowd of 39,621 fans, Kansas coughed up four turnovers and gave up 530 yards of total offense while falling to 2-2 on the season. Texas Tech improved to 4-0.

"Turnovers. That's the big deciding factor," KU coach Turner Gill said after the game. "You can't turn the ball over three or four times against a good football team and win. You just can't do it."

Had they not, the Jayhawks may have cruised in this one. After winning the coin toss and electing to receive the opening kickoff for the fourth straight game, the Jayhawks marched down the field in four plays and 1:50 to take a 6-0 lead. Junior returner D.J. Beshears kick-started things with a 56-yard run-back on the opening kickoff and a 25-yard pass from quarterback Jordan Webb to freshman tailback Darrian Miller paved the way for James Sims' 11-yard touchdown run.

After holding Tech on its first drive, KU struck again, this time on a 51-yard TD run by freshman tailback Brandon Bourbon. Just like that, the Jayhawks led by two touchdowns. Two drives later, they made it three, when junior receiver Kale Pick alertly fell on a fumble in the end zone after Webb hit tight end Tim Biere on a 20-yard pass that came loose at the 1-yard line.

"We had an awesome start," said Webb, who finished the first quarter 5-for-5 for 131 yards. "We just couldn't sustain it. But if we can start like that every game, we're gonna give ourselves a good chance to win."

Added Gill: "I think the first quarter is probably as good of a quarter as we've had."

While it led to elation at the time, the Pick touchdown was the beginning of the end for the Jayhawks. Up to that point, just about everything went KU's way. Flags were thrown on Texas Tech. Balls bounced the Jayhawks' way. Even when they didn't, like when Beshears muffed a punt and gave Texas Tech the ball at the KU 25, somebody found a way to make a play and put the momentum back on KU's side. In this instance, it was red-shirt freshman safety Keeston Terry, whose early interception was the first for KU this season.

"In the first quarter, we, as a defense, were dictating to them," senior co-captain Steven Johnson said. "But when they make big plays, then it gets a little difficult to go out there because they speed up the tempo."

After gaining 218 yards in the first quarter, KU managed just 85 in the second. The Red Raiders, meanwhile, turned their fortunes the other way, more than doubling their first-quarter total yardage mark of 82 and finishing the half with 257 yards of total offense.

That was just the first warning sign for Kansas, which, for the second straight game, saw a disastrous third quarter turn a competitive ballgame into a blowout.

Behind two TD runs from Eric Stephens (25 carries for 126 yards) and an incredible TD catch by Eric Ward, Tech outscored KU 21-0 and outgained the Jayhawks 224-73 in the third quarter.

"I didn't think tackling was an issue in the first half," KU defensive coordinator Vic Shealy said. "But in the third quarter, on the three touchdowns we gave up, we had some issues where the tackling was not at its best."

Some of that was because of poor technique. Some of it was because the Jayhawks simply did not deliver when they were supposed to.

"We didn't come in with a real complicated scheme," Terry said. "Against Georgia Tech, at halftime, we tried to make a whole bunch of adjustments and that kind of hurt us. This second half, we didn't really make a lot of adjustments. We went out and did the same things. We just have to execute better."

While the defense reverted to the form that led to it being ranked dead last in the FBS in total defense, the offense killed its own progress with costly turnovers.

Two of the three interceptions thrown by Webb came as a result of tipped balls. But, even with the miscues, the offense racked up 478 total yards, including 239 on the ground.

Despite giving up the early lead and more than 500 yards of total offense, several members of the KU defense said the unit took a step forward on Saturday.

"I know it's easy to shoot the horse and shoot the horses," Shealy said. "But that's a really good offense, and they do some things that are very, very difficult and our kids handled some situations. I'm optimistic because we played better today. It may not show, but we played better."

Better, but not well enough to win and not well enough to walk away feeling good about the effort.

"It was big," said Johnson of the missed opportunity. "But we can't get it back now. It's in the past. I'm looking forward to turning this around and getting this sick feeling out of our stomachs."


Michael Maris 10 years, 10 months ago

All off-season we fans heard about how much more speed was on defense, etc.. Plus, how KU had a Full-back that was possibly an NFL Caliber Fullback.

Here is my question, where is the speed at on defense? And, how come KU is constantly playing in the Spread Offense, if there is a Fullback (Nick Sizemore) of NFL Caliber to be the lead blocker for James Sims, Darrian Miller, Brandon Bourbon and Tony Pierson?

How come the LB's and DB's look like they are scared to make any contact (except for Steven Johnson).

ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 10 months ago

And I hope you guys listened to me and made your money early because things are going to get real tricky. 30t point spreads are going to start showing up every week and we are going to have to pick if the other team is going to let their dogs eat or rest for the following weeks game. My guess is Osu off a bye week lets Fido chomp away.

(and for those of you that didn't feed your kids for a week and put that money on Osu as a long shot for nc...we're looking pretty good!)

ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 10 months ago

TT, Gt, and UK (barley) say I'm right on!

Disclosure, I thought il would roll over nw. But I'll take 3-1 every week.

Bill Kackley 10 years, 10 months ago

Even though I was a baker of Mangino, I felt be had to get behind Gil but what was that going for a field goal down 18 with 10 min left? Looked like just trying to not get beat to bad.

Michael Maris 10 years, 10 months ago

Mike Gundy wasn't even worried about preparing for their next game. He appeared in ESPN Studios on this off-week. I sure didn't see Gill in ESPN Studios last week (on KU's week off). RECRUIT RECRUIT RECRUIT...........

onlylookin2score 10 years, 10 months ago


I hope the theoretical mumbo jumbo is for real. Gill is just a stand in... he can recruit decently but where is the output?????????????????????? He should have been an afterhought in the hiring of FSU's Stoops a couple years back.

Dirk Medema 10 years, 10 months ago

Where is the output after one recruiting year? Where is the output from a bunch of frosh and sophs? Where is any top 50 (?) team that is predominantly underclassmen?

Matt Bowers 10 years, 10 months ago

KU coaches aren't getting the players ready and that is the issue. KU has the talent, but it is evident by the mistakes made that a lot of things aren't addressed in practice. HCTG, you need to do your job or accept that you are in over your head. This is a talented team, it needs the right leadership to make the right calls. Running the ball, down by nearly 3 touchdowns and eating clock...who does that? Nothing the coaching staff does makes sense. The crazy thing is that the players are doing what they are told to do and success. HCTG step up!

Rock Chalk

onlylookin2score 10 years, 10 months ago


Dirk Medema 10 years, 10 months ago

This is a talented team, but also even younger than talented, and everyone knows young players never make mistakes.

If they only sold clues at Wallyworld you'd have a chance.

Paul Christiansen 10 years, 10 months ago

All over the field, we are undersized and lack the speed and athleticism to compete against teams of this caliber.

We certainly ran out of gas in the second half.

onlylookin2score 10 years, 10 months ago

We DO NOT lack athleticism, we lack leadership and coaching prowess. Any time you go up 20-0 on any team and loose by more than 10, it is NOT a TEAM loss, it is a lack of killer instinct SOMEWHERE in the COACHING RANKS

Dirk Medema 10 years, 10 months ago

And the players were coached into 3 INT and as many fumbles, though fortunately we did get some of those back.

What we lack is experience, and just as we are better this year than last (a healthy OL helps), we will also be even better next year and the next and the next ...

Programs are not built overnight.

Ethan Berger 10 years, 10 months ago

Can someone explain to me how this 11 point lost was the worst thing ever? Most of ya'll didn't even believe we stood a chance and yet we very much should have won this game? Explain how Tommy would have been better then gill? Tommy inherited a team that was top 4 in the conference and now most of ya'll say they are the 9th best team. Gill gets the team that finishes last in the conf and suddenly all of it is his fault? You guys are to liberal with shouting out "Bad coaching" and "no heart" Today we saw that we could very much have a stinking good offense in the next 2 years. This team is YOUNG. 70% of the team are underclassmen. Alot of writers are talking about how much we have improved. It's going to take time to rebuild a team. We might not win another game this year. But we could be competitive and most of yall said that's all you wanted. Now we shown that but suddenly it doesn't matter if we improve? Patience.

onlylookin2score 10 years, 10 months ago

Alright... patience doesn't land us anywhere but in the basement... We were up 20-0... how can u explain this as nething but as a failure in coaching. We were boot up on there jugular.... all we had to do was slice away..........................................................................................................................................................................................we lost.

UmbertoConforti 10 years, 10 months ago

I think it is pretty obvious that we are getting out coached at halftime. We got the breaks in the first half and fortunately capitalized on them. When we had to play even up it became apparent that Texas Tech had the superior coach. I think our talent was as good as theirs but their scheme and execution was much better in the second half.

We had the prettier uniforms. I like the light blue. Reminds me of the Hadl era when we won a lot of games.

Ethan Berger 10 years, 10 months ago

Tommy is not that great of a coach anymore. We were already at the bottom when Gill took over. Tubby had a top 4 team in the conf. They have far better talent because they are a major Texas school and have been successful for about 10 years. If tommy was our coach, we would still have lost to Tech.

Ethan Berger 10 years, 10 months ago

It was not a failure in coaching. The scheme was not run. Some of the most basic plays were not made. When we were up by 20, I knew they would comeback. Because it is a young team. 3 years it takes to install. But a horrible lost.

Dirk Medema 10 years, 10 months ago

Ummm, did you not hear about 3 INT's and 3 (?) fumbles, though we did lose all of them. Young players make mistakes.

Who said, "The best thing about freshmen is they become sophs?" And Sophs become Jr's and Sr's.

Well said Hawk90.

three2b 10 years, 10 months ago


It's a simple fix....STOP abandoning the run game!!!

Ethan Berger 10 years, 10 months ago

On one of the picks, we threw it twice in a row after we had huge success running. Most people want to pass it more, but we will not win in a high scoring match. Our run game is our strength. Stay with it.

Dennis Mahorney 10 years, 10 months ago

I know Shealy equates criticism of his young defense to shooting horses... But could we tighten it up a little. KU will not have to run so many risky plays, and be able to hammer the run better when we dont need 20 points in the 4th period. That said, I am confident that the kind of improvement that you can't see is being made. The kind that can be seen is what keeps all of us our jobs though. I do think it will get somewhat better. Good luck coach. I am sure working with a young class has many challenges.

Dirk Medema 10 years, 10 months ago

Didn't get to see the game, but did listen to the announcers talk about how much better, aggressive the D looked - at least early. After a while it sounded like they looked gassed. Improved conditioning also comes with maturity, as does better and deeper rosters.

johnnyphoton 10 years, 10 months ago

Props to the Tech coaching staff for not running up the score late in the game.

Bill Kackley 10 years, 10 months ago

You got to be kidding. Granted they didn't pass the last 3 minutes but they didn't take a knee in the last 2 either when we were out of timeouts.

johnnyphoton 10 years, 10 months ago

Definitely not kidding. Tech would have looked like rods had they kneeled. They pretty much ran the ball up the gut. Regardless, worthless defensive effort. More talent is needed. I only said what I said because it hurts to see "my" Hawks take beatings.

sevenyearhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Remember when KU Football was about effort and not excuses?

UmbertoConforti 10 years, 10 months ago

Of course. The coach's name was Mangino. I miss that tub of lard.

Ethan Berger 10 years, 10 months ago

You mean the team, that gave up and finished last in the big 12 in 2009? hmmm

Dirk Medema 10 years, 10 months ago

I wouldn't say they gave up, tho I did/do question the leadership of a HC that refuses to talk to a team leader who is openly critical.

okiedave 10 years, 10 months ago

OSU coach Gundy is so sure the Cowboys will walk over Kansas that he will not be attending the KU game. Instead, like OSU's bye week, Gundy will again be giving color commenatry in the ESPN Connecticut studios. Hope KU makes Gundy regret his cavalier attitude.

BarkingHawk 10 years, 10 months ago

The Problem:

With a superlative set of running backs, a credible run-blocking offensive line and a 20 point lead in the first quarter, what does a coaching staff do to maximize their opportunity to have their team in a game in the 4th quarter against a more talented opponent?

That's all we ask with a new regime at this point. Instead, today, we put the game in the hands of a still inexperienced QB and barely capable WRs. It's called game management and we simply forfeited any chance at winning today because of the failure to simply go to our one demonstrable strength time and again, run the clock, run the clock, run the clock, avoid turnovers, avoid giving short fields, protect our defense, punt them deep, etc., etc., etc.

This is the most gifted set of running backs I have ever seen at KU in over 50 years of watching this program and the failure to force Tech to have to spend the day trying to tackle them was as blatant a case of coaching malpractice as I have seen in that time. It was and will continue to be our best chance to stay in games, much less win any of them, and we simply got away from it when there was absolutely no reason to do so.

In taking the approach we did, we exposed our weakness - generously, a terrible defense - to more plays, more minutes and more scoring opportunities than was ever necessary. And my group was saying and predicting this when we had the lead, not just after we blew it.

I have no faith in this staff's ability to adjust to the game they are in and, until this program and this AD decides to recognize what is happening here, they will not get the benefit of another dollar from this longtime season ticket holder. That's four tickets, Sheahon.

To make things worse yet, after watching this, I had to go home and watch The Master, once again, give his team the best chance that he, as a coach, could possibly give them in order to beat a more talented, more athletic opponent. For the second straight week. KSU 36, Baylor 35.

It's only Gill Year II, and I believe in letting a program build, but Jayhawks, Sheahon, had enough? I guarantee you, I have.

Dirk Medema 10 years, 10 months ago

You mean the QB with the second best QBRating in the conference, ridiculous 3rd down rating, the 66% completion rate and NO INT's on the year?

Webb had a bad day, but he has made very few mistakes this year.

Carolyn Troupe 10 years, 10 months ago

This is my first time to see the Hawks (on TV here in Dallas). Honestly, I didn't think the defense looked that bad overall. Against a quality QB and receivers, any defense might hold the opponent for 2 downs and then give up a 7yd pass for a 1st down. Not necessarily what happened each time, but I felt that the defense played hard and didn't quit like they used to at times. TT made some awesome plays, had people in the right place at the right time on tipped balls, etc. The offense came up short 2-3 times turning the ball over in the red zone.(That one on the 1yd line really hurt. Why didn't Sims stay with his blocker?) Anyhow, everyone wants to come down on the defense and the coaches. I think there has been much improvement over last year across the board. When you are playing a superior team, you generally do not win. We could have with a few breaks, but TT was lights out with penalties that held them back, so it all worked out to the result we got. The most disappointing thing for me was 39,000 attendance on a perfect day. Some have already given up. Shame on them.

three2b 10 years, 10 months ago

+1 castlereagh

Just stick with the run game!!

BarkingHawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Castlereagh - You can only watch and pay for so much of this.

flyingfinn 10 years, 10 months ago

911 ...I would like to report a missing defense....................911... I would like to report a person impersonating a head coach. I have posted this before but good coaching staffs usually make adjustments at half time to stop opponents offense successes (i.e. TT on KU's offense) our coaching staff does not have a clue!!!

ydoow53 10 years, 10 months ago

To say that the offense is ahead of the defense is obvious, but HCTG has over recruited offensive players and neglected the defense. When you score 34 points in a football game you should win 10 out of 10 of those games. Everyone sees that we have huge problems with the defense, but our offense could be better also. It's amazing that all we heard about in the preseason was the stable of speedsters that we have for running backs, but we very seldom use that speed to attack the edge, where huge chunks of yardage can be made. We also very seldom use any kind of misdirection instead relying on our speedsters to choose a hole up the middle where there are 300+lb lineman and 225+lb linebackers waiting for them. I also thought that Webb was touted as being pretty quick and I wondered why he doesn't run the ball more often. I got educated today because he is as slow as frozen mollasses. Our play calling is way to predictable. The point of running the ball to set up the pass is an excellent football strategy, but we never call a pass on an obvious rushing play. It would be interesting to plot our run to pass percentage on first down. If I were a defensive coordinator I would stack my defense for the run on first down. 2nd down and one, a great play action passing down--nope--run it up the gut- AGAIN.

Our 3rd quarters are crap because good football coaches make adjustments at half, and we seem to be clueless in this area. There definitely needs to be a coaching change on the defensive side of the ball and maybe at the head coaching position.

ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 10 months ago

100? Atl? Jayhawkdan? nuleaf Is there some sort of "homer" ban on posting today? Are they all at the store because they ran out of kool aid?

gardenjay 10 years, 10 months ago

I liked the effort - I saw improvement. What a bunch of whiners. We were up 20 to nothing against TT in the first quarter, that's KILLING a team. Start looking at the cup half full all y'all.

KSseahawk 10 years, 10 months ago

You're plumb wrong. No improvement by this team and the useless coaching staff. This is a repeat of last season...playing decent -I guess- at times and then completely mailing it in the second half. TGill is worthless as a head coach - doesn't know what to do with the talent he has and can't inspire a bunch of college kids to play a full 60 minute game. Embarassing times for KU football.

HARVEYHAWK 10 years, 10 months ago

IDK...this sucks. Didn't see the game but from what i hear they needed to manage the game a little more..hopefully a little better coaching will come of this game?

AzNHawk 10 years, 10 months ago

What do you "ku fans" want? First you ask for competitiveness and improvement, then you want to fire the coaches, then you want to try and buy out his contract and want someone else to come in and take over. You "ku fans" got improvement and now you want to fire the coach? He gave you what you wanted and yet you son of a bitches still complain about every little micro-organism!!! I've followed and the football articles since Gill was hired and last year the consensus was that fans wanted to see improvement and competitiveness even though the W's and L's may not show it. You motherf...kers got improvement yet you still complaining?

Yes, the defense isn't where you'd want it to be, but IMPROVEMENT IS IMPROVEMENT IS IMPROVEMENT. All areas of football minus defense have improved. The jayhawks are putting points on the board where as last year they could barely score.

You a-holes who keep calling for the coaches head, what's going to happen if your "new coach" comes in and implements his style of football and his first years end up being a losing season or mediocre? Are you going to want to fire him too? Sure, let's just keep firing coaches then hiring coaches and let the firing/hiring repeat itself hundreds of times over and over and over.

(sarcasm) Yeah, that'll really show the continuity and coaching turnover for KU Football.

I'm willing to bet no matter who the coach is and no matter his record those son of a bitch "ku fans" will always find a way to nit pick and wine about this and that. For goodness sakes if we had Chip Kelly, Gene Chizik, hell maybe Nick Saban these damn "ku fans" would still nit pick, critique and find something to complain about. and if he EVER posts a losing season then it's time to fire him too huh?

Get out of your "show me now" world, open up a dictionary and understand the definition of PATIENCE. So so sad that this society does not know let alone understand patience.

AlecRaenos 10 years, 10 months ago

Maintenence of a 7 game losing streak Mangino left us with? Looks to me like Gill is doing that.

Mangino is the most over-rated coach in the history of football. If Mangino had to play ANYONE good in the South in the Orange Bowl year, Kansas wouldn't have made that BCS bowl. They were not that good of a team, highlighted by the fact that the ONE good team in the conference we played that year, we freaking lost to.

Im tired of hearing about that fat piece of s**t. He's gone, move on.

KWufan 10 years, 10 months ago

Look, Mangino didn't do anything during his time here. TODD REESING did it all in his time here. You take TODD away, we don't do diddly squat in the Mangino era, period. One of our biggest problems I saw yesterday was the inability of the WR's to make a play. The interception in the end zone bouncing off the DB's leg to his buddy, the WR had the ball hit him in the hands. Long pass to Pick down the sidelines, hit him in the hands. Yes the defenders were in there with their hands on them and it would have been a tough catch. The point is, big time players make those catches. Just like the Tech receiver catching the ball in the end zone after it getting swatted away. We just have to make the tough plays, not just the wide open easy ones to be in this game.

Geekinout 10 years, 10 months ago

Who died and made this dip$hit mr. super fan? I've gone to a lot of KU football games and watched nothing but horrible junk for many years. I don't need some super fan not happy with other fans who want a winning program. Other than KU basketball (Thank God for Bill Self) the athletic department has been ran inefficiently since I've been alive.

KU4FAN91 10 years, 10 months ago

Both coaches and players became to conservative with a 20-0 lead. Then the offense became inconsistent. I still BELIEVE in Kansas football. Keep fighting. I see some defeated cowboys in the near future...

actorman 10 years, 10 months ago

"After winning the coin toss and electing to receive the opening kickoff for the fourth straight game, the Jayhawks marched down the field in four plays and 1:50 to take a 7-0 lead."

No, actually KU took a 6-0 lead. I realize it may be a fairly trivial deal, but the extra point was blocked. For God sake, LJW, can't you get a basic thing like the score right? I'm usually one to defend you guys, but that's just plain stupid.

"We never wanted "improvement." We wanted "maintenance," at the very least, of what the Great Mangino accomplished."

That would be having one great season amid a bunch of medicore to terrible ones; having no clue what to do at the ends of close games and making one bonehead deecision after another; verbally and/or physically abusing not only players but support staff; losing the last seven games of the season; and leaving the cupboard virtually bare? Sorry, but I don't think maintenance of those standards is what I'm looking for as a KU fan.

flyingfinn 10 years, 10 months ago

No I guess you are looking for record beating ass-kickings because that is what this team is headed for with this head coach

number1jayhawker 10 years, 10 months ago

Yea, like the 64-0 ass kicking Mangino took from ksu.

Matt Tait 10 years, 10 months ago

You got it. No good excuse here. Just blew it.

ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 10 months ago

Can the "guy" that is telling us to "get there early" "cheer them on" and "stay to the end" please explain why. Do you also "finish your plate" at bad restaurants and "wait until it's over" before leaving a bad movie?

OKHawkFan 10 years, 10 months ago

great analogy. Only one problem KU fans don't put their time and effort into the same bad restaurant year end and year out nor does anybody follow a bad movie over and over again only to leave the theatre early each time. That's the definition of insanity. I guess you are calling all of us KU football fans insane. We follow this team because of the connection to the university good or bad. I understand what you are saying Gill Sucks! OK fine and he might not have a job here in a few years. If that happens I'm more than willing to high five you and say you're right. Losing stinks I know but I will still support this team no matter what they are college athletes afterall and not pros. If you want KU to win so badly in FB go buy NCAA 2012 set the level to "freshman" and kick the crap out of everybody as KU if that will make you feel better. I for one will support this team no matter what regardless of who's at the helm.

ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 10 months ago

I'm not telling people not to go, I'm just saying don't get mad if people don't go or leave early. I used to fly in for a couple of games a year and now am I less of a fan because I'd rather not waste my money to see us get trounced!

Next to oil sands, ku football fans are this countries greatest untapped resource. I will never understand why our administration doesn't believe the same. How we can have students camping out for days and people spending big dollars to watch the basketball team play longwood (giggity) yet believe they wouldn't do the same if the football team was a winner is beyond me.

OKHawkFan 10 years, 10 months ago

I wish I had the time a resources to make it to every home game in Lawrence. I was actually at the OU Ball State game last night (friend had an extra ticket). As I'm observing the fans/pagentry/tradition of OU football I'm still saying to myself it's no KU. What kind of message do we send to recruits when they observe KU fans complaining and leaving early not showing up. If the best DT in the country has narrowed it down to OU and KU and he chose OU because of the fans well that's just sad. Come on KU fanbase make some noise and quit complaining. I totally understand you not wanting to waste your money and time to see us lose. I for one had I the resources come to every game and stay to the end win or lose because I love the Jayhawks!!! RCJKU!!

ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 10 months ago

Hey, if I still lived close I'd be there every weekend there was a game. I would leave early, but id still be there The is nothing more fun than tailgating on a Saturday at one of the most beautiful universities around in one of the coolest college town ever. I just wish we could build a winner! Imagine an expanded memorial stadium with 60-65 thousand people and another couple of thousand crowding the hill. How fun would that be?!?!

justinryman 10 years, 10 months ago

They said it during the game about being the 3rd D cord, in as many years and how ole Vic didn't want to complicate things for the players year in an year out, but not be to simplistic on the D side of the ball.

And yet it is so vanilla teams don't have to run anything but their base Offense.

These are college kids, they have to be able to change and learn new things year in and year out in the classroom so why can't they do it on the field??

I agree the talent is there, the ability to make plays is there, but the effort is not.

I am also a firm believer in giving a coach his due time, not one year not two year, but at least 3 or 4, but money talks and the rest just gets left along the road.

I am not a Gill apologist, and have supported him up to this point and will continue to do so as long as he's at KU. But I can't see him being here next year with Saturdays performance after being up 20 pts in the first quarter.

Forget the GT game, that is an anomaly that we can't use as a judgement, so using the Tech game one has to wonder what was going on in the huddle, on the sideline, in the coaches box up high and in the locker room at half.


Chris Condren 10 years, 10 months ago

How bad will it be this season? Does anyone see a win from here on out. Perkins and his big hire Gill have run us off a cliff.

eastcoasthawk 10 years, 10 months ago

I'm with Actorman and the glass half full folks. Actorman, you forgot to mention Mangino (who I loved as a coach) pushing out the best defensive coach in the conference in Young. To me that is the main reason we didn't have follow on good seasons and things started to tank in addition to everything else you listed.

As for this game, I saw the improvement. I saw defensive guys being proactive instead of reactive. I saw McDougald lay some wood on their QB. I saw LB's shooting the gap and wrapping up the runner. Defense was definitely improved at times. It was the offense that really let us down this game. Why was Webb constantly throwing long balls to guys that were covered? Hell, he even threw one into double coverage! WTF? I was severely disappointed in our offensive play calling. It's almost as though they are calling plays by formula, OK we've gained over 100 on the ground and ran this set up play 3 times, time to throw the curve ball. But the curve ball was covered and Webb didn't have the smarts to go to another receiver, or run or throw it out of bounds. His game is not to that level yet.

And on top of that, after the 1st quarter they were getting the majority of the breaks. Every loose or tipped ball was falling their way. That ball thrown into double coverage? Bounced off the leg of one defender and falls to another. Ugh. Greg Brown makes the best DBack play I have seen from this team in a while in the end zone. He's step for step with his guy, doesn't look back and goes up with his arm in between the receivers outstretched hands and tips the ball, yet it still falls to the receiver as he is landing on his back. Have to say that the coaching and execution on many plays was good and TTU was just plain lucky with the outcome of some plays. Otherwise, we could have been in the game more and the crowd would have been in the game more.

Yep, it was a loss. But if you didn't see much improvement from some of the players you are not watching closely.

In our next game I hope to see our offensive play calling improved and Webb's decision making improving. Of course, there is still plenty of improvement to be had on the defense. Keep saw'in the wood. Season is even close to over yet.

LngTimeFan 10 years, 10 months ago

Who decided powder blue as the new school color? Gill? Maybe NC wants him, he sure isn't getting the job done here. Having been a good college player does not mean someone will be a good coach.

Christopher Hauser 10 years, 10 months ago

D-line gets no pressure on the quarterback plain and simple and this is the issue on defense. HCTG needs to recruit some Juco beef up front and this defense will be better.

741hawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Let me be the first to post that KU had two weeks to prepare for TT (that's for Tommy Tuberville and Texas Tech).

And those uniforms (not that it really matters. Gawd!) What a cheap, disrespectful salute to the 1961 team. Those jerseys were powder blue, or Carolina blue. They bore no resemblance to the Columbia blue (more grey) that the 1961 team wore on their helmets, jerseys and pants!

JayhawkPiller82 10 years, 10 months ago

If the Athletic Department knew how many sarcastic phone calls, email, texts, & tweets Alumni received about those horrible uniforms they would think twice about such a wordrobe malfunciton again!!!! I'm tired of being asked who MY team is trying to impersonate..... Put back the crimson stripe on the Blue helmets, use the crimson (red if your colorblind) jerseys more than once a year, and never ever wear white helmets again. I'm still horrified of the helmets worn last year at Arrowhead stadium vs Mizzery. Damn, this is KANSAS. Crimson and the Blue. Forget WHITE anything forever, again FOREVER...!!! Rock Chalk, And I'll even throw in an Amen, because that notion doesn't have a prayer!!

Hank Cross 10 years, 10 months ago

All I know is Late Night is less than 2 weeks away. KU FB sucks, almost always sucked in the past, and will more than likely suck in the future. There's too much competition nearby and not enough people. That's not going to change. Go with the strength, BB, and work on improving academics.

AzNHawk 10 years, 10 months ago

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JayhawkPiller82 10 years, 10 months ago

+7 (during football season, during BB season it definetly would be a 3) RC

gardenjay 10 years, 10 months ago

I willl always remember the first quarter, but not prowd of the crowd. You get rid of these pesky whiners and fill the stands with true blue-bloods and we have a winning season at home.

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 10 months ago

In Omaha, what was wrong with the crowd? Size? Noise? People leaving? Seriously, I couldn't really tell anything on the television.

stuck88 10 years, 10 months ago

Yep, after half time the crowd was out of the game.

Geekinout 10 years, 10 months ago

I wonder if Bill Self would want to coach our pathetic football team also??? Make him the first to coach duel sports.

texashawk10 10 years, 10 months ago

Bill Self wouldn't even be the first KU coach to coach both basketball and football at the same time. KU's head football coach in 1920 was some guy named Forrest Allen and there's a basketball arena in down the road from Memorial Stadium named after him.

Doug Fogleman 10 years, 10 months ago

I really like our group of young running backs. But one thing that I hate and I see it on all teams is stepping out of bonds to avoid the hits. We give up a lot or yards avoiding contact. The last I knew it is still a contact sport. Stay in bounds and get as many yards as you can. The only exception is when we need to stop the clock.

Randy Bombardier 10 years, 10 months ago

Some of you people have got to stop blaming our level of talent. We have enough talent. Look at what Snyder can do with an average offense, a good, disciplined defense with one real defensive star. The man can recruit players that fit his program (not that they are that highly rated) and take the leftovers and build winners out of them. He is always talking about discipline and even more importantly he knows the value of schemes. He knows how to do it. He wins the chess match. Very few coaches can do what he can do. I admit that, but without Wright and RG3 how good would Baylor really be for example? Maybe we need one or two superstars to have a winning program (most programs do) but we have enough overall talent. Now, we just need to give the coaches time to see what they can do.

This was a disappointing loss. I am sure it was a great mental blow to the confidence of Jordan Webb but he is a good QB. He is good enough. We have a good backfield. We all know the D needs work. We will have to see how the season plays out to see if we are closing the gap within the conference.

K-state's defense is the only reason they are not 2-2. Ironically, perhaps, it is K-state that I think we have a good chance to beat if our defense can only play up to its potential. I think we can beat ISU as well. If we play to the best of our ability we can win games.

Randy Bombardier 10 years, 10 months ago

P.S. Hate the baby blue uniform. It is perhaps the worst color anyone could choose.

texashawk10 10 years, 10 months ago

Wrong, black and golden piss or purple are both much worse color choices. Probably because the Houston Oilers were my NFL team growing up, but that's what I'm choosing to compare those uniforms to instead of UNC or whoever else people are saying.

Randy Bombardier 10 years, 10 months ago

Agree with the black and gold. Purple's not so bad, but imagine the Cats in Lavender? Yech. I just don't like pastels. Looks like a faded blue. Potent color says potent team. That is just my opinion.

Steve Brown 10 years, 10 months ago

Is it true Syner redshirts most of his freshman to let them gain some weight and get 5 years out of them? Just asking.

Jen7Jayhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

We KU fans should unite and act like AzNHawk says he is as a fan. "Win, Lose, or total blow out - This KU fan will still be watching his Jayhawks, on TV or in the stadium through every down, snap, throw, run, and tackle. Whether the stadium is sold out or i am the only one there I'm still supporting." I watched part of the KSU and Nebraska games yesterday, and the first thing I notice was the amount of fans and their actitud. The stadiums were full and the fans were energized cheering loudly for their teams. Those fans are cracy about their teams, and always support and follow them no matter what! That could be one of the reasons those teams make the effort to be decent teams most of the time.

100 10 years, 10 months ago

Most of us are united. Don't let these posts from "Hawk" fans change your opinion. Mizzou & the Grapes apparently don't have a website to post on so they come here & try to stir things up, pretending to be "a concerned KU fan" (see Ahperse for instance).

What Grape fans & Mizzou fans fear deep down that Gill, given time, actually will build a dynasty here. They can't figure out how KU brought in the best recruiting class in our history a season after going 3-9. They can't figure out how our offense is already beginning to show flashes of the Todd Reesing days, mixed with incredibly fast running backs like we haven't seen since Gale Sayers. They can't figure out how our line all of the sudden is beginning to look, even two years earlier than expected, just a bit like those Nebraska lines of the 80's & 90's. The players we recruited to fill these roles aren't even playing yet... Yet our line has still done an admirable job.

Imagine when Gill's recruits have a couple years under their belts... That's what scares the heck out of Grape & Mizzou fans. That's why posters like Ahperse spend every waking hour on this site. He wants Gill gone as soon as possible. He can't stand to see what might happen in Gill's 3rd or 4th or 5th year, & for good reason -- Ahperse and his "friends" hate KU. The last thing they want to see is KU building a dynasty... In football.

Most real fans can see where Gill is going with this team over the next couple seasons. Yes we need to recruit D linemen, but if smacking Texas Tech 20-0 in the first 12 minutes doesn't show you something, then you're not a true fan.

This takes awhile to build a bigtime program. We are halfway there. We absolutely need more depth & to run a defense for more than a month before stepping on the field.

Jayhawk nation needs to re-unite & not buy into the negative nanciesconthese boards who aren't even KU fans at all. They're just stirring the pot, most of 'em signed up back when all the troubles started before we cleaned up our house.

Gill rocks the chalk. I wouldn't want my grandchildren playing for any other coach.

stuck88 10 years, 10 months ago

I totally agree, Gill has KU going in the right direction. Last year there is no way we would even be up 20 to 0, Tech would have beaten us by 50. This team is young and that killer instinct to put a team away after being up early will come with time.

We do need to recruit hard on the defense line, but I think the rest of our defense is ok, I like Terry the more and more I watch him, he is going to be a really good safety in a couple years.

100 10 years, 10 months ago

You more than most. You don't even disguise it well or even add comic relief.

A true fan doesn't say the things you say.

I've said it once & I'll say it again; congratulations on being 4-0.

No predictions from me when we play you because honestly this is about the future, building a massive & fast football program with a lot of depth the next 5-20 years that Kansas football true bluebloods can be proud of, not acting like you, every week "if we don't beat so and so then fire somebody."

To me you act honestly like a fan that is concerned to see what happens if Gill can recruit a bunch of speedsters & 6'5" 300 lb linemen for 5 years straight at Kansas. And what if they had time to learn a defense, longer than one month? What then? And what could happen if KU finally completes its stadium, finishes filling in the corners of the U, removes the track, lowers the field making it a 75,000-80,000 seat venue filled with knowledgable fans who love football that stay the whole game, akin to the sometimes classy but always loud & proud Nebraska fans?

What if it actually happens? And Bill Snyder retires in a year?

What then, would become of KSU football?

You and I both know that's why you're here. You're not a fan of KU. You're a fan of trying to bring Gill down. Well guess what Ahperse learned last year?

The more haters we have, the better Gill recruits.

So bring it on.

Again, be proud of what you guys have right now in Manhattan. Most of us in Jayhawk nation have respected Snyder from afar.

Now get back to your own website, or better yet, get a life & quit giving the Grape fanbase a bad name. Bill Snyder does not stand for passive aggressive; neither should you.

Jen7Jayhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

We KU fans should unite and act like AzNHawk says he is as a fan. "Win, Lose, or total blow out - This KU fan will still be watching his Jayhawks, on TV or in the stadium through every down, snap, throw, run, and tackle. Whether the stadium is sold out or i am the only one there I'm still supporting." I watched part of the KSU and Nebraska games yesterday, and the first thing I notice was the amount of fans and their actitud. The stadiums were full and the fans were energized cheering loudly for their teams. Those fans are cracy about their teams, and always support and follow them no matter what! That could be one of the reasons those teams make the effort to be decent teams most of the time.

DaNeille Dani Davis 10 years, 10 months ago

Why all the bithcing and bashing?! I thought they played an excellent game with the exception of a few unlucky turnovers! Our defense finally stepped up and the offense was pretty good. I myself enjoyed watching the game until the turnovers and TT started scoring on us but overall, I thought we improved greatly since the last game. Hey, we scored 34 points on a good team!! And a good team only scored 45 points on us. I'd say that was not a bad day...just unlucky. Go Jayhawks!!

jrbill67 10 years, 10 months ago

The Hawks have no defense, none. The offense scores enough to wn, but the defense couldn't stop a bad high school team. Season's over. Wait till next year.

AzNHawk 10 years, 10 months ago

+10,000 to what mcgirl and 100 have posted.

Does anyone remember Baylor vs. KU in 2010? What was that 55-7? and that was the first Big 12 opener. The first big 12 opener against TT in 2011 was 45-34.

KU scored 34 points. REPEAT: 34 points.REPEAT: THE KU OFFENSE SCORED 34 POINTS.

In 2010, the offense could barely put points on the board. And through the first few games of 2011 the KU offense put up 42, 24, and 34 points respectively. Look at that and tell me that that isn't improvement. Given all the stuff about Gill and his days at Nebraska and playing under the great Tom Osborne, this KU offense makes me think of the Nebraska powerhouse that dominated the 80's and 90's with their strong power running game. I sometimes think that Gill is really trying to mold this KU offense into the Nebraska offense that he helped run during his playing days.

Yes, the KU offense isn't anywhere near that, but dog gone it I hear all the time how Gill wants this offense to have a solid run attack to pound the ground which in turn may open up the passing game. You give it some time and let these guys develop and strengthen their offensive attack then you'll see some exciting KU football.

The defense is still a work in progress and is probably ranked dead last out of 120 or somewhere close to that. We all know it needs work, but yet most dont understand let alone know the definition of patience as well as time.

Time and Patience. With today's society these two things are obsolete.

100 10 years, 10 months ago

Totally agree brother.

I'll tell you what if I was a big ole 5 star lineman, I'd be giving Coach Gill a call right now. This is the kind of offense these big boys love playing for. Knock them off their rocker!

And I really think, recruiting-wise, if it's not apparent to some of these big 4 star D linemen that they couldn't help Gill build something, then I don't know which game these guys are watching.

If we grab 5 or 6 highly recruited D linemen in the next couple years, watch out.

Not only would we have a killer defense to go with our killer offense, but we'd also have defensive depth!

Stay the course Jayhawk nation!

Instead of allowing Ahperse & Manginohoorz (who aren't ku fans) lead the complaining, we need to campaign his staff like crazy for some bigtime defensive linemen!

Gill is here to build a dynasty. Let's start acting like an educated fanbase....

The wheels are moving in the right direction...

If you have money, give it to KU to rid the track, lower the field & add 15,000 seats to surround the field. If you have more, give it to KU to enclose the U& add 20,000 more seats.

The next 20 years of KU football is about to get real fun for the true blueblood fans.

Don't worry about the record at the end of this season. Let's all educate ourselves & realize Gill is building this thing big & fast.

This is gonna be one helluva football team in a couple years. And 80,000 seats at Memorial might not be enough.

Rock Chalk to all of you true Jayhawk bluebloods!

Joseph Kuebel 10 years, 10 months ago

I agree. It hurts to watch us lose, especially being close or up at the half the past two weeks. But you cannot say its not improving...

That being said, until a coach has a full roster of his players (Mangino left this cupboard dry and unfit for gill and while they're playing football Gill plays a different style than that of the fatboy-who left the team bare on talent and filled with players that do not fit the scheme) and has 4 full years to coach (as there are so many redshirts these days) we must give the team and the coach a chance.

Get rid of the track, having a full stadium and another 2000 on the hill looking on will be an amazing time... Just hope these "fans" can learn the definition of "fairweather" (as well as patience-azn). Gettem Gill!

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