Sunday, December 10, 2017

Devil of an afternoon: Arizona State knocks off KU in Allen Fieldhouse

Kansas guard Malik Newman (14) puts in a shot against Arizona State forward Romello White (23) during the first half, Sunday, Dec. 10, 2017 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas guard Malik Newman (14) puts in a shot against Arizona State forward Romello White (23) during the first half, Sunday, Dec. 10, 2017 at Allen Fieldhouse.


The nation’s No. 2-ranked team, the Kansas Jayhawks lost their second game in a row Sunday afternoon, as No. 16 Arizona State easily survived a 13-point first-half deficit to shoot its way to a 95-85 victory at Allen Fieldhouse.

ASU (9-0) fell behind 15-2 out of the gate but more than survived the would-be haymaker from KU (7-2) thanks to a trio of 20-point scorers on the perimeter.

Senior Tra Holder (29 points), senior Shannon Evans II (22) and freshman Remy Martin (21) proved to be too much for the Kansas defense to handle.

Lagerald Vick again led the Jayhawks in scoring, with 25, and senior guard Devonte’ Graham added 19 points and eight assists. But KU struggled offensively and defensively much of the second half, allowing Arizona State to never really sweat down the stretch.

The ASU upset marked the first time KU suffered consecutive losses in a span of 146 games, dating back to Dec. 7 and 10, 2013, with road defeats at Colorado and at Florida.

Here’s a quick look back at some of the action:

• The game turned when: Kansas couldn’t hold on to the basketball on offense or get stops on defense for a miserable five-minute stretch of the second half.

A two-point lead for the home team disappeared for good not too long after halftime, as Arizona State attacked KU on both ends of the floor.

Kansas missed seven consecutive shots and turned the ball over five times during a momentum-thwarting stretch that fueled a 15-0 Sun Devils run.

Svi Mykhailiuk (14 points after being scoreless much of the afternoon) turned the ball over three times during the span and missed a 3-pointer and a jumper.

Contrastingly, ASU made offense look easy on the other end of the floor, scoring all seven of its field goal during the critical stretch on layups. 

• Offensive highlight: Before things fell apart for Kansas, the first 20 minutes featured so many jams for Kansas.

The dunk show began in the opening minute, with Graham setting up Udoka Azubuike by slicing to the paint and lofting a lob toward the rim.

Next up was Vick, who also had Graham to thank for a perfectly-placed alley-oop dish. Vick cut baseline from the corner with the ASU defense snoozing and Graham left the ball just above the rim for a two-handed flush.

After two slams in fewer than two minutes, the fieldhouse crowd had to wait a bit before the Jayhawks delivered another flurry.

Graham, of course, assisted Azubuike for a dunk that made it 28-20 with 7:29 to play in the first half.

Then junior Mykhailiuk took on the role of facilitator, first driving into the teeth of the defense and setting up Vick for a two-handed slam. The very next trip down the floor, Mykhailiuk picked up his fifth assist of the game on a lob for Vick, pushing the Kansas advantage to 32-25 with 5:13 to play in the opening half.

Less than a minute later, Graham and Azubuike connected again for KU’s sixth slam of the opening 20 minutes.

Twelve of the Jayhawks’ 40 first-half points came at the rim on jams, helping them net efficient points and 48-percent accuracy from the floor before intermission.

• Defensive highlight: Holder already had harmed the Jayhawks for 10 points less than nine minutes into the matinee when he drove to the paint looking for more.

Holder blew past Malik Newman coming off a ball screen on the right wing.

But as Holder went swooping in for a potential layup, KU sophomore forward Mitch Lightfoot had Newman’s help and then some. Holder couldn’t get his attempt off quickly enough and Lightfoot, the same big involved with the initial pick-and-roll action, slid in to spike the potential bucket out of the air.

Holder was 3-for-4 before Lightfoot denied him at the hoop, and ASU’s leading scorer shot 2-for-5 the remainder of the first half, including the swatted shot.

The 6-foot-1 ASU guard easily recovered the rest of the way versus Kansas, though.

• Key stat: ASU 3-pointers.

Arizona State arrived in Lawrence having attempted no fewer than 25 free throws in its first eight games of the season — all victories. One might think KU taking those easy points away would make a difference. But the Sun Devils didn’t need free throws with the open looks they found from behind the arc.

The Sun Devils only earned a single trip to the charity stripe in the first half, when Holder head-faked Graham into a foul and made both ensuing freebies. In the second half, ASU made up for that, finishing 15-for-20 at the line — with seven makes coming in the final 2:43.

In the meantime, the Jayhawks didn’t defend the 3-point line well enough for ASU to feel off kilter. Senior guards Holder and Shannon Evans II combined to make nine of 16 from downtown, and ASH shot 50% from deep (14 of 28).

• Up next: The Jayhawks will have plenty of time to recover from a challenging week of Pac-12 matchups. KU won’t play for six days, when it heads into Big Ten country for its first true road game of the season, Dec. 16 at Nebraska.

More news and notes from Kansas vs. Arizona State

By the Numbers: Arizona State 95, Kansas 85.

By the Numbers: Arizona State 95, Kansas 85.


Layne Pierce 3 years, 4 months ago

Defense has to be better. If we give up 90 a game we are gonna lose. This team does not run good offense, if its not a lob or a three or a one on one drive, we are lost.

We don't have to worry about our ranking any more. i would say we drop to no. 12, if we are lucky. Maybe 15.

Guess what, we could be on our way to being a lower seed in the Midwest against Wichita St. That would be fun, and lets get Missouri in there also.

The whole tempo of this game was controlled by Arizona St.

I thought we might come back, but the bad pass from Newman to Graham, was the killer. We didn't need it, all we needed was to come down and get a good shot.

I guess we should be happy we didn't lose by 20.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 4 months ago

We should be happy we didn't lose by 20? You sound like KU football fans after KU loses a game by only ten points and say, "Well, at least we didn't lose by more than two touchdowns." Is that what things have come to now with Kansas basketball?

Drew Doerfler 3 years, 4 months ago

my guess would be between 15 and 20 after 2 loses

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 4 months ago

Considering that they were both home games, I'm surprised we didn't fall further.

And to be completely honest, who gives a rats ass what we are ranked in December? I only care how we are playing in March. Seeding isn't nearly as important as some people may think either. Under Self, we have had seven #1 seeds including last year where we lost in the Sprint Center.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 4 months ago

Not that Bill Self will accept any of the blame for today's debacle, but he is to blame. He made no adjustments on defense, and he left Svi in the game even as Svi fed AZ State's offense with boneheaded turnovers. But worse yet, he let big guys like Dwight Coleby get away that we could have used, and he's gotten into a bad habit of bringing in players with eligibility issues that take way too long to get resolved. In short, he's done a piss-poor job with this team the past two games. Looks like it's going to be an underachieving 10-loss season for KU that ends with the Jayhawks missing the Sweet 16 again.

Brian Wilson 3 years, 4 months ago

Well....BS probably does accept some of the responsibility. But my guess is he made no adjustments because he is trying to teach and show the players about the importance of defense, effort, teamwork, and listening. This team has some issues on defense.
But, IMO you are correct on the recruiting trail. Self needs to learn to sign a 3 star 7 footer every now and then. Each year I see the list of top 50 HS Centers in the country and there is always a few trying to figure out where to go from about the 10th to the 25th ranking and we never seem to sign them. It wouldn't hurt to have a 7 footer that we know will take 4 years to develop once in a while.

Craig Carson 3 years, 4 months ago

Brian, to be fair..coming into this season Self had Junior Bragg, Seniors Coleby and Whitman, Soph Azibuike and freshmen Preston..he had plenty of size, experience and depth..not his fault 3 of them transferred and Preston is having eligibility issues..most of Self front court players are long term guys

Brian Wilson 3 years, 4 months ago

Craig, Bragg was out of the picture back in December of last year along with Whitman. Bragg's issues hit the news but the incident with the underage girl happened after the end of the semester when most of the students had left for Christmas. Now.....the news never revealed the suspect in having had relations with an underage female on campus.....All I know is, and I think I recall the exact date, it happened on the 19th and by December 31st Whitman had left town and it was announced he was transferring. But Coleby was never coming into this season. Coleby graduated.

So Self and the team knew January 1st, 2017 that he needed three more bigs. When I check the availability of players come the end of March there were still more than a few Centers that had not yet announced. They may not of been in the top 10 HS centers but they were in the top 25 or 30 and some of those guys went and played small ball and could have otherwise had an opportunity to develop at KU.

Craig Carson 3 years, 4 months ago Bragg was not ruled out..Whitman was already with KU, he even practiced..none of your info in accurate...

Drew Doerfler 3 years, 4 months ago

the sad thing about this game was the effort level.....the first 5 minutes was great....then it was gone. ASU outhustled and outworked our team for the vast majority of the game which was really a surprise since we were coming off a really bad loss. I don't mind a loss if we play well and hustle, but our defensive was just one could take the effort to actually get out on 3 point shooters giving them wide open shot after wide open shot. I chose to watch Vick's defense closely this game. For being a great athlete, his defense was just lazy. Never closed out on 3 point shooters even when they were making them right over him. Self said he wanted to find some dogs. Unfortunately, i don't think this team has any. We really need Preston and/or De Sousa to be anything better than a sweet 16 team...and we need more effort if we are going to get our record league title. overall, a pretty sad job from coaching on down this game. Svi and Malik need to be more consistent to help this team

Joe Norgay 3 years, 4 months ago

Things sure are looking up for Kansas Athletics. Thanks Zenger!

Bryce Landon 3 years, 4 months ago

Zenger has nothing to do with the success of Kansas basketball. He's not the one who made the Self hire. If Zenger had to lead a coaching search for Kansas basketball, we'd REALLY be in trouble.

Steve Johnson 3 years, 4 months ago

This team is in trouble and will get worse as the season progresses. There are only 5 players on the team and the rest are practice players at best. The team is already tired after 8 games. The team is slow, sloppy and scared. They know there is no hope if they are not shooting 60% from the field. For a team that should play good defense, they are horrible. Would rather see them play a zone. Any good player can get around our entire team on their first step. This all is on the shoulders of the coaching staff and their horrible recruiting for this year. Big 12 will be a disaster this year and we could easily end up 4th. Major collapse by the entire team today

Bryce Landon 3 years, 4 months ago

For years I've been calling for Self to switch to zone when man-to-man doesn't work. The last time I remember him playing a zone was in our win over Georgia in Kansas City last season.

David McNickle 3 years, 4 months ago

He played zone at Lexington last year which obviously worked. I know Bill is from the Eddie Sutton school of "there is only one defense", but NCAA placed an emphasis on "hand checking" a few years ago and we haven't been the same since. That, plus no inside presence to scare people from going to the rim. I completely agree that this team needs 10 to 15 minutes a game of zone. Especially shorthanded. Hoping Sam can take some minutes from Svi and Malik. If those boys don't score 20 each, they are a negative in net points.

Craig Carson 3 years, 4 months ago

David...KU not having a elite front court has been the main issue..the last elite front court we had was in 2012 with TROB and Withey..Embiid and Perry were pretty good but they only had a year together....from what I hear of Cunliffe, he isnt strong on defense basically he is a shorter version of Svi..unless he can light it up from 3, he isnt the addition KU needs

David McNickle 3 years, 4 months ago

Agree with you on the front court. Dok's injury last year really hurt this year's team. He could learned from a 5 year player like Landon. Boys look tired right now and comes from having to play guys 35 minutes every game, even in 40 point blow outs. Hope Sam, Billy and Silvo all are available the second half of the season. It won't help the defensive shortcomings, but it might keep the legs fresher. This team will need to score 80+ a game to win.

Dustin Peterson 3 years, 4 months ago

Holder, Evans, and Martin combined for 72 points, 14 assists, and THIRTY uncalled traveling violations! Hats off to those guys, that's hard to do!

John Kelley 3 years, 4 months ago

First Football and now Basketball. Soon goodbye to top twenty poll.

Steve Johnson 3 years, 4 months ago

this teams not a top 20 team. Not even close. They will make the tournament and maybe to sweet 16 if lucky. Graham is the best player they have and Doke is a good big guy. Vick is hit and miss and Svi, just like every year is soft and only makes the shots when they don't count. Either up by 20 or down by 20. Garret is terrible but it may be his hair causing it.

Craig Carson 3 years, 4 months ago

Garrett isn't terrible, he is playing like a freshmen..he was a 4 kid, not too many 4 kids come into college and perform well their freshmen year

Layne Pierce 3 years, 4 months ago

Cundiff, Preston, DeSouza

One of those 3 comes through to help off the bench, or we are done.

Steve Johnson 3 years, 4 months ago

Bingo! Without any we will be mid pack big 12 and a 5 seed in the tournament

Tony Bandle 3 years, 4 months ago

Random Thoughts:

1] Maybe we would have been better off if the water leak had reached the basketball court.

2] Svi had a triple.....multiple turnovers, no defense and missed wide open shots by the peach basket full.

3] Conliffe will help, but unless we get Billy or Silvio or both, what we saw today will be repeated again and again.

4] If you look at the guys not playing [ Charlie, the Lawsons, Conliffe, Preston, Silvio ], they might be, as a group, better than the guys that are playing,

5] in the past, I personally have somewhat discounted losses around exam and Christmas Break time, but this year this time is showing disturbing tendencies that indicate a deep run in the NCAA and that record breaking conference title are very much in doubt.

6] I don't know about the rest of you, but I watched the whole game with the sound on mute. Bill Walton's voice has like listening to glass shards being shot into a blackboard by an air cannon!!

7] What really pisses me off was that except for the first few minutes, ASU was by far the better team and wanted it much more and deserved to win!! We got served in our own house!

8] To be honest with you, when I saw Billy wasn't going to play for awhile, I have KU at 10-2 going into conference play, It could be worse.

9] Malik Newman does know there are four other guys out there with the same color uniforrm as his, doesn't he??!!

10] S#$&, F$%@!, P)(%, S#$ O) a B%^#,,,,,,strong post to follow ;(.

Kent Richardson 3 years, 4 months ago

Our conference starts with a tough run plus A&M. We have work to do.

Bryce Landon 3 years, 4 months ago

To your point on Bill Walton, his openly rooting for Arizona State during the telecast made the loss that much more painful. I get it, he's a Pac-12 guy (or, a Pac-8 guy from way back in the day), but ESPN commentators are supposed to be neutral, not openly rooting for the other team.

And as for Malik Newman, I agree, he is a selfish player, and every time he tries to go coast-to-coast, I cringe because I know he's going to miss the shot or get it blocked. Why Bill Self doesn't pull him off the court when he tries to go 1-on-3 or play hero ball is a mystery - actually, no it isn't, because Self is a stubborn coach who likes to keep doing the same thing over and over that doesn't work and expect a different result.

Craig Carson 3 years, 4 months ago

Honestly, this team doesn't deserve to be ranked right now..its not just that they lost, its that they got handled in both games, games in which they played basically at neither game were they in a position to win in the final minute..yes Preston would have helped, but this team has got to be the softest team Self has ever had..defense and rebounding is about effort and attitude..this team plays with no aggression as they rarely shoot foul shots, preferring to shoot 3's..hate to say it, but I'm already writing this team off as a 10 loss, 5 or 4 seed, 3rd in the Big 12, out by opening weekend in the NCAA and looking forward to next year when FINALLY they will have talent AND depth in the front court..its been forever since KU had an elite front court and didn't have to worry about 1 guy getting in foul trouble.....they are horrible on defense and rebounding and now that teams have a blue print to beat KU, they will see this game in game out...they will fail anytime a team with enough athletes can execute..but to be fair, Self didn't put himself or the team in this situation..coming into the season they were slated to have 5 front court players, 4 of which were at least 6'10..they were to have size and talent plus experience...then 3 of them decided to be cowards and transfer then the Preston situation popped here they are...gonna be a long frustrating season for KU fans..and unfortunately all we will have to hold us over is a horrendous FB program

Tevin Brown 3 years, 4 months ago

I honestly think we'll be ok We just should give the ball to numbers 35 more and switch to zone if REMEY MARTIN can get past our guards like that den yeah we definitely need to just go to zone for the season

Jaston Archie 3 years, 4 months ago

I said after the Kentucky win that this was one of the worst KU teams I have ever seen, and of course many disagreed. But to take so much pride in whipping low level teams is really sad and beneath the dignity of Kansas basketball. The main problem is simply Bill Self absolutely failed in the 2017 recruiting, period. He missed out on practically every top recruit besides Preston and it's showing. Not only is KU really thin but are also very untalented, a recipe for disaster this year

Craig Carson 3 years, 4 months ago

Self didn't fail in the recruiting season, he recruited what he needed..they had 4 other front court players coming into the season before adding Preston and they had plenty of players in the back court..its not his fault that 3 of them cowardly transferred and Preston is currently not available to play..

[''] 3 years, 4 months ago

This looked like a Brandon Schneider coached team....

Tevin Brown 3 years, 4 months ago

I hear u guys talking about recruits but we lost 11 games with wiggins, selden, embiid, frank, greene and perry so?? Den the next year was the exact same with kelly, wayne, cliff,frank and perry So more talent doesnt matter i think we have the perfect recipe with dok in the middle and shooters all around we just gotta play harder and better we will be ok.

Craig Carson 3 years, 4 months ago

to a degree that's true but When the shots don't fall and Azibuike is taken out of the gaem by fouls or defensive scheme, they don't have the defense to make up for it

Kent Richardson 3 years, 4 months ago

The Devil's hang 96, in Allen, on us. Put 58 in our face in the final 20 minutes. Ouch!

They got every 50/50 ball, they hit every 24 foot three and drive to the hoop with good bounces and when it didn't drop we fumbled it out of bounds. Dagger after dagger after dagger. The better team won. Don't get me wrong, we helped them but they were confident and unafraid. Neither team quit but they got it done.

On one hand Svi killed us by missing shots in the first half and catching the turnover bug at the most critical time in the game. On the other hand he didn't hang his head and actually set his jaw after that and showed a no fear stroke and scrapped to the final buzzer.

Newman had his best game and Vick did what we needed from him.

DeVonte can say he held his ground but not a lot more.

Steve Zimmerman 3 years, 4 months ago

Remy Martin is annoying as hell. What a douche.. I was so excited Svi swatted his layup - clean.

Drew Doerfler 3 years, 4 months ago

easiest key to beating this out tight on our guards at the 3 point line....make them drive the ball....they don't want to drive the ball...they just want to take open 3 pointers.....pass the ball around the outside then take a 3 fouls on the other free throws for us.....pretty easy to figure out and defend us....unfortunately

Craig Carson 3 years, 4 months ago

thats probably true..this team has too many shooters and not enough one puts pressure on the defense..they have guys that can get to the rim but for whatever reason they aren't

Corey Sparks 3 years, 4 months ago

I'm sorry guys. I found an old ku sweater in my closet that never fit me when I was younger. I let My relatively new gf wear the sweater, this was aday before the Washington game. So 2 BAD LOSSES SINCE. It can't be a coincidence. Don't blame self or Vick or svi, or anything else. It's my fault, I am sorry.

Dee Shaw 3 years, 4 months ago

Oh well. Loose now win in March. That’s all that matters.

Noel Backwards 3 years, 4 months ago

Learning games and Coach Self knows it. This team thinks they can come out and outshoot the other team every night without locking in on defense or running the offense the way he would have them run it. He won't make adjustments because they aren't executing the game plan anyways. His demeanor on the bench of the UW game early in the 2nd half let me know that he knew they would lose. Not surprised with the ASU loss because they are a really good team before an unknown freshman goes off for 21 points. Last year, there were tone setters defensively (Josh, Frank, Landen) that made sure the team played KU defense and it was contagious. The "leaders" this year think they can just shoot the other team out of the gym and win every night. Wouldn't be surprised to see more losses before conference play comes around. If no improvements happen, Malik and Svi could start seeing their minutes decrease when conference play rolls around in favor of Garrett. The new guys better come in ready to play defense or they won't see much time either.

Brad Watson 3 years, 4 months ago

Beware of the Walton curse....Bill Walton in town for the game....lets face it....nobody in the UCLA orbit wants us to win another title....and if we don't start playing some defense...well..ifts going to be a long year....the league has talent everywhere and what i saw yesterday was shocking...the team needs to start playing hungry don't don't eat......all that said....Coach knows...I trust his judgment....i know.its tough getting up for every game....but great teams love that and look forward to it....Go Jayhawks!

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