Kansas defeats Oklahoma State, 67-57

  • 6 p.m., Jan. 13, 2015
  • Allen Fieldhouse, Lawrence, KS

Tuesday, January 13, 2015

Throw-away win: Self disappointed with KU’s showing against OSU

Kansas guard Wayne Selden Jr. (1) celebrates a three pointer by Kansas guard Frank Mason III (0) during the second half, Tuesday, Jan. 13, 2015 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas guard Wayne Selden Jr. (1) celebrates a three pointer by Kansas guard Frank Mason III (0) during the second half, Tuesday, Jan. 13, 2015 at Allen Fieldhouse.


The result — a 10-point victory over Oklahoma State — was about the only aspect of Tuesday’s 2 hour, 27 minute basketball game that proved satisfying to Kansas University’s tough taskmaster, Bill Self.

“It was a bad game, a long game,” Self said of a 67-57 victory over his alma mater in Allen Fieldhouse. 

“The only thing that was good tonight is we won. It took forever to play. Good thing I didn’t drink a lot of water at halftime or I’d have been in trouble,” he added, smiling.

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Press Conferences & Post-Game Interviews

Bill Self talks KU's 'long,' 'bad' game vs. OSU, which lacked any flow

Kansas University basketball coach Bill Self speaks with the media following the Jayhawks' win over Oklahoma State, a game Self described as both "long" and "bad," due to the lack of flow.The KU coach said he was discouraged by the technical fouls his team picked up, as well.

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Mason, Oubre and Alexander discuss technicals, style of play vs. OSU

Kansas University basketball players Frank Mason III, Cliff Alexander and Kelly Oubre Jr. meet with the media following the Jayhawks' 67-57 home win over Oklahoma State. The Jayhawks discuss the technical fouls, the style of the game and Alexander's highlight jam.

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The lengthy foul-fest — KU hit 32 of 46 free throws to OSU’s 22 of 25 — definitely could be classified as one of those “ugly” victories teams have in the course of a marathon season.

“It didn’t have it all. It didn’t have any good play,” Self said of a game in which the (14-2, 3-0) Jayhawks out-rebounded the (12-4, 2-2) Pokes, 43-26, while holding OSU to 31.4 percent shooting.

In all, there were 49 fouls, including technicals on KU’s Cliff Alexander and Jamari Traylor and OSU’s Le’Bryan Nash.

“That was some crap play by us and I don’t think Oklahoma State played particularly well either. We got to the line. We didn’t shoot a good percentage (69.6 from line, 37.2 from field). We didn’t play with any poise or composure the first half when we had a chance to crack the game. 

“It would be hard to pick a player of the game tonight,” Self added after a contest in which Frank Mason III scored 16 points and grabbed nine rebounds. He hit nine of 11 free throws. “We didn’t play as a team. The ball stuck. It was probably a step backward tonight in my opinion.”

Self was not pleased with the first-half technical fouls.

First, Alexander (seven points, three boards, 16 minutes first half; zero points, two boards, five minutes second half) was hit with a “T” for flexing his muscles and woofing near the OSU bench after flushing a vicious one-handed dunk with 13:50 left in the first half.

“I don’t know why it was a ‘T.’ I was talking to Frank during the time. All I told him was ‘Turn up,’’’ Alexander said, describing his dunk as “ferocious.” “They had to be thinking I was talking to the (OSU) bench. I wasn’t talking to the bench.”

Self wasn’t a fan of the flexing which led to the “T.”

“Why do you get a ‘T’ over this? Act like you’ve at least been there before. Unbelievable and it counts as a personal foul,” Self said. “Cliff’s was bad; Jamari’s was worse. That was discouraging to me.”

Traylor and OSU’s Nash (21 points, 19 second half) were whistled for a double technical with 12:11 left in the half. 

First, Kelly Oubre Jr. (14 points, six boards, 35 minutes) bumped into Nash. Nash pushed Oubre and was tooted for the automatic technical foul. 

Traylor and Cliff Alexander then took turns screaming at Nash, Traylor receiving the technical and saving Alexander his second “T” and an ejection.

“We brought our mouth into play, which was disappointing on that deal. It wasn’t the refs’ fault. It was our fault,” Self said.

KU, which led, 32-28, at halftime, outscored the Pokes 35-29 the final half.

“We did a great job on Forte,” Self said after the 5-foot-11 junior guard hit for just two points the second half off 1-of-2 shooting in 16 minutes. He had 16 points the first half off 3-of-6 shooting (9-9 from line). “Wayne (Selden Jr., six points, three boards) and Devonté (Graham, nine points, three assists) did a good job on him. He didn’t shoot a free throw the second half, which was big. He will not miss free throws,” Self added.

Nash, who was guarded by Oubre and Perry Ellis (seven points off 1-8 shooting with eight rebounds)  scored 19 of his 21 points the final half, hitting five of 10 shots and nine of 10 free throws after cashing two points in 18 minutes the first half.

Self used Landen Lucas (four points, four boards) for 12 minutes the second half with Traylor, Ellis and Alexander in foul trouble. Alexander didn’t return, in fact (coach’s decision), after picking up foul No. 3 with 14:08 left.

“Landen gave us good minutes,” Self said. “Our team played well with Landen in the game. No reason to take him out. It had nothing to do with Cliff playing poorly. It was a coach’s decision at that moment.”

Of the night, in which KU held a game-high lead of 11 points (with 8:57 left) Self stated: “This will be a great game to watch as a group and learn from. I don’t think anybody in our locker room is leaving giddy after that game.”

KU will next meet Iowa State at 8 p.m., Saturday, in Ames, Iowa.

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By the Numbers: Kansas beats Oklahoma State, 67-57

By the Numbers: Kansas beats Oklahoma State, 67-57


Brett McCabe 6 years, 10 months ago

Seems an overly harsh assessment. It got ugly because we have some tough kids who were showing emotion and not playing with their heads. I can live with that, for one game, as long as we get the win. In fact, with us heading up to ISU, it might have been perfect timing to have this type of game as preparation. It's nice to have a tough team. I hope that Bill doesn't coach too much aggression out of them.

Suzi Marshall 6 years, 10 months ago

We did everything humanly possible to keep this game close. Two lane violations on separate occasions costing 2 points, two stupid technicals, over a dozen brain dead unforced turnovers, tons of missed bunnies, horrible shooting missing 14 FTs and 37% from the field.

We are going to need to tighten our act up alot between now and Saturday night if we want to get the W in Ames.

Erich Hartmann 6 years, 10 months ago

Good points Brett. Actually Self is the one coaching aggressive 'mindset' (not to the point of technicals, though) to the kids. He is squarely the one responsible for instilling it in the Morris Twins (who were soft & non-athletic when they arrived).

Tom Jones 6 years, 10 months ago

Yes and no.

Self does want his players to be aggressive (but what coach doesn't?).

But no, the twins were wild when they came to KU. If anything, Self was responsible for getting them to tone it down enough so they could at least stay in games. And they were hardly soft or "non-athletic". You don't coach up athleticism, and they were tough to begin with coming from Philly.

Jeffrey Nichols 6 years, 10 months ago

The twins actually were pretty non-athletic when they came in. The potential existed, but it had not been realized. I very distinctly remember their freshman year and being hugely frustrated with them because neither one could dunk the ball when they had the opportunity down on the block. Over and over. They could get it done in transition, but they were actually quite soft their freshman year. Hudy cut them up, they bought into the conditioning, and then they were studs.

Benz Junque 6 years, 10 months ago

They had their "I'm a Philly tough guy" mouths and elbows from Day One. Don't think for a second that this was added after they got here. They always played with that stupid "I'm from Philly, I don't back down to anyone" crap. What are going to do, dummy? Throw a punch in a game? That fake macho BS annoys me to no end.

Traylor should have just laughed at Nash for being clowned into a technical by a freshman and sat back and watched KU shoot their free throws while Nash was sent to the bench. Instead he had to be a tough guy and screw his team.

Eliott Reeder 6 years, 10 months ago

Here, let me refresh your memory on whether Marcus Morris was a tough player as a freshman, could dunk the ball, etc...

Hell, 80% of the plays he finishes under the rim in this highlight vid are through contact. Compare this to Perry Ellis trying to score through contact or height on any given night (not that anyone in their right mind would label Perry the pinnacle of 'toughness"). I'm just saying Marcus was a baller his freshman year. Markieff took longer to develop and is now the better player of the two in the L, but that may be due primarily to size advantage.

Ron Sterling 6 years, 10 months ago

All this highlight reel does for me is underscore how painful it is that Perry Ellis has reached his jr year and STILL doesn't have a turn around j in his toolbox.

Erich Hartmann 6 years, 10 months ago

Tom, hate to nitpick, but Jeffrey recalls the Twins very well. You make the same mistake that some KU fans make by assuming "since they were from Philly" that they were 'tough'. Look, man, they were 2 large teenagers who loved video games, and shooting 3s, as to avoid contact their frosh seasons. Bill Self turned them into men. Their mom moved 3 times during their teen years to keep them in safer neighborhoods, and they crossed the street routinely to avoid questionable street characters and situations. I hope each of the Twins remembers what Self + Hudy (&MichState for the frosh wake up call) did for them, by helping turn them into lotto picks. And credit the Twins themselves for walking into Hudy's office 3 days after we got bounced out of March by Izzo. They did display the proper work ethic. So I dont mind the swagger they developed, nor the MJ-style trash-talk (that's always been part of the game, as most guys can attest). Dont be fooled by their easy-scowl facial structures or all the tattoos. They most definitely arrived to KU soft. In contrast, Thomas Robinson was never soft...and it never got any easier for TRob.

Tom Jones 6 years, 10 months ago

Thanks for the info, but it's not accurate. I hesitated to even include the Philly part for that reason, but these guys mentioned in print several times that Self had helped them to tone down their natural tendencies. If you need a link I can probably dig one up.

They were tough and athletic before they got to KU. The staff of course helped them get stronger and helped them keep their emotions in check, but they were never "soft" or "non-athletic".

Mike Riches 6 years, 10 months ago

This game seemed like a microcosm of the entire season so far. It wasn't the cleanest, or the prettiest, and there were plenty of mistakes...but this team took care of business when it needed to. Mason was consistent, Perry was disappointing, Wayne played pretty good defense, and the freshmen had some great highlight plays. And hey, we beat another good team!

I'm thinking more and more that our best five on the court are Mason, Selden, KO, Jamari and Cliff. Of course that can change every night, but I've been impressed recently with that particular group.

Nathan Varvis 6 years, 10 months ago

Agree completely. Free-throw shooting was not great (again), Ellis continues to regress, though played with more intensity in the second half. Mason and Selden are both picking up their game at the right time.

I have no clue what Perry is doing right and Alexander wrong in practice to justify the starting 5 that have had the past few games.

Steve Zimmerman 6 years, 10 months ago

I blamed the refs for whistling too much. It's so hard to watch when almost every possession there's always one foul.

Suzi Marshall 6 years, 10 months ago

What happened to Mykailiuk tonight? His parents came all the way in from the Ukraine to watch him sit on the bench the entire game?

Anybody know what's the deal with BG pouting on the bench all night?

Erich Hartmann 6 years, 10 months ago

Just speculating, but Brannen Greene wouldnt be able to stay with Forte the way Selden and Graham did. Thus, he wasnt able to launch his devil-may-care 3att's...

RJ King 6 years, 10 months ago

I can only see the backs of players and coaches from the "game" camera shot on TV. When the $$$ seats were added a couple years ago (?), they switched the benches to the East side (???).

Since the centercourt Jayhawk has to be right side up for TV, I can no longer routinely check body language+facial expressions of players and coaches.

I miss that!

Arthur Ankeney 6 years, 10 months ago

Couldn't agree more. There's no reason Svi shouldn't get a chance to prove himself. I feel like I'm missing something major in his play because every time he's out there, it seems to me he plays well and yet he's getting no minutes. Selden, Oubre, and Graham played well and were deserving of their minutes, but in a game where we (as always) struggled inside and were going against a small team, I wish we would have played Oubre at the 4 and given Svi some minutes. Could have helped to open the floor, run things out, etc. Self must be seeing something in practice we aren't seeing in games that is dictating his lack of playing time.

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 10 months ago

The refs made this a very ugly and disjointed game. Calling some of the ticky tack calls they did while missing some pretty blatant hacks was just bad. I'm fine with calling the game tight, just be consistent and make the players adjust to it. When the officiating is as inconsistent as it was tonight, it's impossible to get any rhythm because you don't know what's going to be called. This was as ugly a game all around as I can remember, but I'll take 3-0 in Big 12 play any day of the week.

KU and ISU have a similar recent history as KU and OSU so I hope the Big 12 puts their most experienced crew on that game since it's the Gameday game and another game officiated like tonight's was will not reflect well on the Big 12.

Steve Zimmerman 6 years, 10 months ago

I'm not disappointed with Cliff's jams, that's for sure!

Dirk Medema 6 years, 10 months ago

Since when is 70% horrible free throw shooting?

Sure, 14 is a lot of misses, but we also attempted a ridiculous #. We even had more FTA's than FGA. Really basic probability would dictate that there would be a lot of misses. Tonight was almost exactly the same % as we've been shooting all year (71.1). That's less than 1 made free throw less than normal.

Lane violations are never good - especially Kelly's. A lane violation on yourself.

Mike Riches 6 years, 10 months ago

You're exactly right Dirk. Of course I can't see inside Self's head, but I know I was surprised to see the % end up at nearly 70%, because it seemed like we were missing as many as we made. I think the % the first 30 minutes of the game was much lower, but we shot well at the end. Also to add to the perception of bad FT shooting, we had at least a couple trips (KO and Devonte) where they missed both. Plus on the two technical FT we missed one while Forte sunk both. All those things add up to FEELING it was a bad night at the line, when in reality the final number was on par with the season, like you said.

Micky Baker 6 years, 10 months ago

I don't agree that Alexander should have been called for a technical. Later in the game, Nash did some taunting which went uncalled. Alexander wasn't even taunting. On the Traylor T, I can understand that one to a point but shouldn't have Nash been called for flagrant 1 at least? It was kind of funny how Oubre, a freshman, got a veteran like Nash to react like that though. I also didn't like that the refs called a foul on Oubre when Forte jumped sideways into him. That shouldn't be a foul when the defender had already ran by and has his arms straight up in the air. Oubre didn't reach in or anything.

Where we really missed is our shooting percentage and we had too many turnovers.

On the flip side, we played pretty good defense on Forte and forced Nash to earn his points at the stripe. Cobbins only scored 6 points. We didn't hit a bunch of 3's but the ones we did hit in the second half were important ones.

We got the win and we didn't play close to our abilities. If we had kept your heads straight in the game, we could have won this one by 20 or more.

The officiating was the worst that I've seen in some time. They missed a lot of obvious fouls and called a lot of them where it didn't even look like there was any contact. I guess the refs can have a bad night too.

With all the things that worked against us, we did overcome it all and win. The guys overcame it with intensity and they did look spent after the game. Both teams looked spent.

Suzi Marshall 6 years, 10 months ago

On the strength of that win, not only does Kansas have the top SOS but now the #1 RPI, replacing KY! However, our BPI is 11th. I suppose RPI is favored over BPI because it takes into account who was played and the W/L results.

I find this to be remarkable in light of our two huge losses and the strong undefeated schedules put in by KY and VA, which play the 4th and 5th toughest SOS.

If the NCAA committee continues to use RPI as a major seeding consideration, congratulations to the team and whoever does the scheduling.

Joe Ross 6 years, 10 months ago

Kansas' rating over Kentucky shows the Achilles heel of the RPI. I dont care what metrics you use, we are not a better team than they are and if we played again the result would not be in doubt. We struggled to play cohesively against OSU; we could not have played the Wildcats and gotten away with that. Just the truth, y'all.

Tom Jones 6 years, 10 months ago

Exactly. They got taken to overtime by Texas A&M and double overtime by Mississippi, but KU? No way we'd have a chance.


Ron Sterling 6 years, 10 months ago

RPI is useful for what the NCAA does with it: it rewards teams for quality wins. As an objective metric of who the best teams are, it stinks. As for beating UK, they've clearly showed they aren't, in fact, the Monstars of Space Jam fame, but you're right. We'd need to play a heck of a lot better than we did last night to prevail in a rematch.

Rich Hetherington 6 years, 10 months ago

I completely agree with you Joe, but at the same time, our resume is looking more and more solid with each win. Kentucky has some great wins, including us, but our list of RPI top 100 teams is very convincing. Not to mention you have Tennessee beating a ranked team last night, and we would have looked even better had Rhode Island hung on to beat VCU. UNLV beating Arizona and Utah beating Wichita St. All those things add up to us having beat a lot of good teams, who have in turn, also beat good teams. I think the RPI gets a bad wrap, but year after year, it seems fairly accurate heading into selection Sunday.

Erich Hartmann 6 years, 10 months ago

Man...who knows! That's why they play the damn games. Ok, just playing devil's advocate, what would happen if KU played aTm or Mississippi? Are we suggesting, that since those 2 teams took KY to OT, then those 2 teams would dust KU by 30+? 20+? double digits? If y'all know that answer, I need to take you guys to Vega$ with me...

And are we also assuming KU got no better since the KY game? Where was Oubre in the KY game, and where is Poythress now? Has anyone heard the BSPN guys comparing KY's defense and offense now to their splendid looking run through their non-conf? Notable contrast.

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 10 months ago

RPI is a flawed system and got KU over seeded last year. KU did not deserve a 2 seed in last year's tournament, but because an RPI number gets inflated by playing a hard schedule, not even winning against a hard schedule, KU ended up with a very high RPI.

Tom Jones 6 years, 10 months ago

I a way.

KU's resume was fine for a low two seed. Bottom line is, you should get rewarded for doing well with a very tough schedule and...teams do.

The problem was that by the time the tourney rolled around, they were without Embiid. So the remaining team was more like a 4/5 seed in reality. The tourney committee may have knocked KU down to a three had they known Embiid would not play, but they may not have, too...moot point, though, as they didn't know.

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 10 months ago

Bottom line is, you should get rewarded for doing well with a very tough schedule and...teams do.

I agree with this statement, but the reality is that KU went 2-4 against NCAA tournament teams in the non-conference which isn't good and should not have been rewarded the way it was. It was also know at the time that Joel Embiid was going to miss the first weekend of the tournament. KU was a 3 seed at best with a healthy Embiid and should've been a 4 seed with the resume and known roster situation at the time.

Ron Sterling 6 years, 10 months ago

I think that really depends on how you believe the tournament should be seeded. If it should be seeded where the best teams get the highest seeds, then yeah, RPI is ridiculous cause it tells you nothing about who the best/most efficient teams are. But if the goal of seeding is to reward teams for winning against a good schedule, then RPI works better than advanced statistical methods because it only cares about who you beat, who they beat, and who you lost to.

Suzi Marshall 6 years, 10 months ago

It would be interesting to see what the committee would do if the season finished with the current situation. The BPI, along with Kenpom would indicate KY, VA, Gonzaga and Nova would be the 1 seeds. Kansas a 3 seed.

If you go with RPI, Kansas would be the 1 seed with the Zags being a 2 seed. The Zags have not played much of a scheudle with their best win coming vs. SMU, but they have a 6 RPI.

I suppose the Artificial Intelligence programs, which could end the human race, will need to conduct the seedings. Regardless, the ultimate winner would be anybodies guess.

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 10 months ago

But if the goal of seeding is to reward teams for winning against a good schedule, then RPI works better than advanced statistical methods because it only cares about who you beat, who they beat, and who you lost to.

KU went 2-4 in the non-conference and 10-9 overall against NCAA tournament teams last season. All of those teams were at-large caliber teams none of the mid and low major teams in a 1 bid league that won a conference tournament to get in.

Personally, I think the tournament should be seeded based on who the best teams are and the RPI doesn't do a great job at determining that. I think KenPom and ESPN's BPI do a much better job of that and should have more influence in determining who gets seeded where.

Nick Kersting 6 years, 10 months ago

how is the RPI flawed? it is straight math : RPI = (WP * 0.25) + (OWP * 0.50) + (OOWP * 0.25)

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 10 months ago

The RPI is flawed system to use to determine seeding in the NCAA tournament.

Mark Lindrud 6 years, 10 months ago

This game should have been a blow out win by nearly 20. The free throws were not good through most of the game and we kept OSU in because of it. Sadly, when you see that OSU shot 88% from the stripe you can see why Self wasn't happy about that.

This is a game to learn from in which we won and that still counts for something even though parts of it were not pretty. Considering we are tied for 1st in conference at the moment we are at least off to a solid, but not spectacular start, but that is another positive. Everything can change come Saturday against ISU in Ames so we shall see how this plays out, but this is definitely a big game early and let's hope they come ready to play with lots of energy because they will need it. Rock Chalk.

Robert Brown 6 years, 10 months ago

I agree that this game was a microcosm of the season and given how young this team is, it may be something we have to live with.

Given all that happened during the game, we had a double digit lead at he 8 minute time out. Many of the offensive possession in the last eight minutes and particularly in the last four minutes were just painful to watch. We would take a bad shot early in the possession, we would turn the ball over,mor we would get a terrible shot late in the possession. We were fortunate that OSU was completely worn out and Forte was limping or the finish could have been more interesting.

Given all of that, a win is a win and we protected our home court against one of the six other contenders. We will not be expected to win in Ames and the formula for winning the conference championship does not require a win at Ames, so I see only upside this weekend.

Gerry Butler 6 years, 10 months ago

agree with several posters ugly, but yet a win. this team DOES have a gritiness to them I haven't seen for quite some time. they can and have played ugly and still win, shoot poorly and still win, overcome large deficits and still win is this a good formula? hell no BUT somehow someway they just win Suzi I really like a lot of your post, but a couple of replies to yours today. I have to differ on the techs. I LIOVED Cliff's aggression tech or no tech, which I don't believe he deserved definitely thought refs got that wrong let me ask you this would you rather have a Cliff Alexander dunk the way he dunks the ball or a Perry Ellis dunk WHEN and if he dunks? i'll take Cliff's everyday night in night out. let me refer to a statement made from a former professional ball player Daryl Dawkins ( Choclate Thunder ) he said when I go up for a slam that's my PLAY TIME if you ever watched him play vicious dunks and that's the kinda approach love to see players with AGGRESIVENESS kind with the mentality of this is a man game unless your a man then get out of my way cliff has that much rather take that then the oh so many finger rolls and or soft lay it in we have had in the past so which would you prefer Perry's of Cliff taking it to the hole aggressive. and as far as Breenan I know EXACTLY why he didn't play hardly any do you Remember when he came down the floor and jacked up that ridicilious 3 pt shot? is said right there on the spot welp he is done have a seat that was just crazy and sure enough we didn't see him the rest of the night. great posts suzi as always just a difference on this one its all good. GO HAWKS

Fred Davis 6 years, 10 months ago

As ugly as this game was, KU still won by 10 and Shouldve won by more.... Also - lets not forget with Iowa State & Gameday looming, last night had a trapish-like feel to it....... Either way, I was more impressed with the way this team is tightening up defensively.... This team is morphing into quite the Motley Crew - but that's a good thing because the one thing Ive noticed - these guys really enjoy playing with each other, and that's going to pay dividends down the stretch..... Ive been critical of this team possibly being the KU team that takes a step back because this group is so different from the last half decade of teams Self has had.... But in reality, watching Graham and Mason play at the same time; watching Oubre play so well defensively, Alexander starting to get into a groove and Selden hustling all over the floor defensively, this 2014-2015 version of the Jayhawks may be the most mysterious team yet......

Rock Chalk

Tyson Ailshie 6 years, 10 months ago

Well said, Fred! I believe in this team way more than last years. And I'm enjoying this ride the most since the 2012 national runner up squad. I still am not sure what I'm seeing with this team, but it's been fun to watch! I thought we played OSU tough and not soft. That bodes well in the Big 12 race. I like the toughness I'm seeing. Gutting out a 10 point win at home against a top 25 team is all good in the hood with me!

Rodney Crain 6 years, 10 months ago

The next four games will set the tone for the conference title. The OK State game was a step back I agree. The officiating contributed to the way the game was played, but we lacked composure, and were disjointed on offense. Very little movement on offense. That was a two man team that we let stay close almost all game long. Our development was derailed heading into a tough part of our schedule. Its a W, but not a lot to be proud of in that game.

Ellis has no confidence, in 28 minutes he had 5 TO, 1-8 shooting, 4 fouls, and as a positive 9 rebounds. He has almost no touch around the rim, its unbelievable. Other than the rebounds, partly due to OSU could not hit a thing, those are sub numbers. Benton said Greene has a stiff neck. I have no idea why Svi did not play. Cliff needs to act like he has been there before I agree.

If we can go 3-1 or 4-0 we will be in the drivers seat 7 games in. If we play the way we did in our last game we will be lucky to go 2-2, 1-3. We got to be smarter than that.

I think we will respond in Ames but we will have to play well to win up there. They will be jacked up due to game day. At least we have some shooters on this team and should give them a game Saturday.

Mike Riches 6 years, 10 months ago

I agree Rodney, 3-1 during this stretch should put us in a great position. This is definitely a tough stretch of games, but in the Big 12, every team will have a 3 or 4 game stretch like this. That's why Texas is 1-2 right now. I've said before I think four losses wins at least a share of the title this year, and if we can go 3-1 during this stretch, we'll be in good shape.

Suzi Marshall 6 years, 10 months ago

I can't see past ISU, even to Monday's OU game, which we plan to attend. Let's hope we can pull out a W in Ames!

Rodney Crain 6 years, 10 months ago

agree, it would be pretty big. Basically leave WV as our biggest threat.

Mike Riches 6 years, 10 months ago

Suzi I hope our team has the same foresight as you do! No reason to look past the game in Ames, that will be one of our toughest games all year!

Harlan Hobbs 6 years, 10 months ago

Can't add much to this discussion, but I agree with Aaron's earlier post about officials' inconsistency. They call insignificant bumps 30 feet from the basket and then let the inside stuff go. I know that it works both ways and, in this case, it didn't really affect the outcome of the game. However, it clearly pays to be aggressive inside which is how Bill Self coaches.

As an aside about the Morris twins, did you see what Markieff did to the Cavs last night in Phoenix? LeBron got most of the press, but his team lost, and the biggest reason why was Markieff. He had over 30 points and made several key 3 point shots.

Dirk Medema 6 years, 10 months ago

Rodney - Ellis' lack of touch around the rim is really a lack of strength to power through physical play. Unfortunately, it seems that the lack of strength shows up in many of the TO's, and a bunch of plays that are essentially TO's - not gaining possession of a ball that bounces through your hands or letting a defender take possession of a rebound. Just way too passive. Someone needs to find a beast mode for Perry, or Coach is going to have to find even more ways to turn him into a perimeter player and leave 'Mari, Cliff, and Lucas to Man the post. To Coach's credit, they made a point of creating situations for Perry to isolate a defender near the FT stripe. Unfortunately, BU showed that a sub-6' guard in the vicinity can foil that effort vs. 'Mari who successfully exploited it.

Rodney Crain 6 years, 10 months ago

I disagree Dirk, its not a lack of strength it is a lack of ability. He does not possess that attribute. It is why in the summer camps he tried to developed work arounds, a spin move, a different drop step and an improved three point shot. What is surprising is that elements he used to possess last year have disappeared too. He has regressed for some reason. I am hoping it is just a slump.

I agree with other posters he has hit his ceiling, we should just enjoy what he can do, although limited it is typically not all that bad. Lately though his rim game has disappeared. No spin moves, no short shots, he can barely catch the ball like he at least used to be able to do.

I thought it was a mistake to use Perry to break Baylor's zone. That is not his game.

Erich Hartmann 6 years, 10 months ago

Tom Izzo would be frustrated to no end by Perry Ellis. Tom Izzo would love Cliff Alexander and Jamari Traylor. He would even use a guy like Lucas. He likes bangers and hustle. Former Big10 coach Self isnt all that different.

Now Roy Williams would love Perry Ellis. But there may come a blazer-throwing moment vs a Izzo- or Self-coached team...

Ron Sterling 6 years, 10 months ago

Lucas would be so much more useful to KU if we'd just get jacked. He came in a little on the chunky side and chose to slim down. The problem is, at a reduced size, he can't jump any higher or move any quicker, and he now lacks the base to hold his position against bulkier guys, and the hand strength to hold onto the ball through contact. If I'm Lucas, I'd spend the next 6 months doing whatever it takes to build a body that would intimidate Rico Gathers.

Tony Bandle 6 years, 10 months ago

Sorry,all...late again. I see there was no bashing of Hot Rod or any mention of Kansas Univ vs Univ of KS..blah, blah, blah.

Am I the only one who saw that Kelly started that mess with his "subtle" punch on Nash?

I know you all hated the game but that is exactly how they call it in NCAA. This was a good preview for the guys.

Regarding the previous comment by an astute poster over why Perry starts and Alexander comes off the bench.....The Big A's physical presence and impact on the game is enhanced after he comes in for the finesse-orientated game of Perry. Ellis couldn't have matched that monster dunk if he had used a step ladder and a volleyball!!!

Bryce Landon 6 years, 10 months ago

I'm in Louisville this week and skipped the game to go to the Louisville-Virginia Tech game with the people I'm staying with. But they DVRed the game for me, and I replayed it tonight. It was tough to watch at times with the refs making themselves the star of the show. It's also sad to see how, even w/o Marcus Stupid, the Cowgirls continue to act like punks and thugs and pick fights with us and act like jackasses. I've lost a lot of respect for the Cowboys program since Travis Ford took over. They used to be a classy program with Eddie Sutton, but now they've degenerated into a gang of classless little pricks.

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