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Originally published October 22, 2011 at 04:46p.m., updated October 22, 2011 at 07:47p.m.

KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger on football program: ‘We will get this thing fixed’

Kansas athletic director Sheahon Zenger hangs out with head coach Turner Gill on the sidelines of practice on Tuesday, Aug. 16, 2011.

Kansas athletic director Sheahon Zenger hangs out with head coach Turner Gill on the sidelines of practice on Tuesday, Aug. 16, 2011.

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Discouraged by yet another lopsided loss by the Kansas University football team, Kansas University athletic director Sheahon Zenger spoke briefly after Saturday's 59-21 loss to in-state rival Kansas State at Memorial Stadium.

"I don't expect any player, coach, administrator, fan or alum to accept today's performance or the performances in recent weeks," Zenger said. "We will get this thing fixed."

Asked when that fix might come, Zenger expanded his statement and indicated that second-year coach Turner Gill at least would be allowed to finish out the season.

"We continue to evaluate the program on a week-by-week basis at the University of Kansas," Zenger continued. "We will never make a complete evaluation until the season is over and the body of work is in."

Asked after the game if he was concerned about his future at KU, Gill continued to push his slogan.

"I'm here to coach and teach," he said. "I still believe in my ability to coach. I still believe in my ability to develop. I believe in this staff's ability to teach and develop. I feel good about it. It's just taken a little bit longer time to get things done."

The Jayhawks (2-5 overall and 0-4 Big 12) play at Texas next week.

Comments

uplock 2 years, 5 months ago

with your record you will be lucky to recruit junior collage players, you could't recruit when you were winning.

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uplock 2 years, 5 months ago

4 more bowl games than you ever go to again

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Geekinout 2 years, 5 months ago

Today is Monday, Zenger made that statement Saturday... You have demonstrated that you are also part of the problem now and need to go. There should have been some statement wether good or bad from him today to the public. Who keeps hiring these incompetent spineless under-qualified buffoons?

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rukidding 2 years, 5 months ago

My prediction is whatever the record is if KU fires Gill they will still have a KU record and team, 10 years from now.

Longest stretch of bowl seasons, 2 years. Give the coach at least 3 years.

Would we even be having these questions if the defense was playing better?

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jayhawkking 2 years, 5 months ago

Just to make sure the record is straight, Mangino's first year was 2002. KU was 2-10 I believe that year...not really important. What is important...in 2003 KU played in the Tangerine Bowl which means they were at least .500 for the regular season. . But hey, if Gill can pull the team together and beat Texas, Baylor, ISU, and Mizzou, we'll qualify for a bowl this year as well. Hey those teams join KU afterall to compose the bottom half of the conf. My personal prediction...KU 2-10 looking for new coach end of November. Nothing personal, but IT IS WHAT IT IS!

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squawkhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Finally, someone in the athletic dept. is growing a pair. Let's just see if they grow big enough to fire Gill.

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Chris Bruning 2 years, 5 months ago

you better not fire Gill or you're just a blind POS like the rest of this ignorant fan base.....

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Joe Ross 2 years, 5 months ago

Coach Gill said in the post-game that players aren't doing what they're supposed to do. If they are out of position that's a COACHING issue. Don't like the defensive scheme? That's a COACHING issue. Want to correct a player's performance so he doesn't make the same mistake again? That's a COACHING issue. Need new personnel to play the position to get the right coverage? That's a COACHING issue. So my question is why these coaching issues continue to impact the game so negatively on such a regular basis. Hmm...and I'm just wondering out loud to myself, "Maybe the coach IS the coaching issue."

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Steve Brown 2 years, 5 months ago

"I believe in this staff's ability to teach and develop. I feel good about it. It's just taken a little bit longer time to get things done."

I have been wrong, as a hopeful HCTG defender I was hoping we were on right track, building, investing for future. I see no signs of future success.

It is tough to right the ship 'after' you have hit the iceberg. Should have and would have two years ago, hit the ground running with sense of urgency. Heavy JuCo transfers to play while redshirting and 'building' up average freshman. Or else recruit HOF freshman that can ball.

What is in the pipeline for next year, this year is toast. Hire defensive consultant to come in today and improve execution and technique.

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KSAuburnFan 2 years, 5 months ago

For all you people out there that think Mangino was this incredible genius and if KU had him back all the problems would be solved. Just a few numbers for you. 23-41, and 1-18. That was Mangino's record against the Big 12 (23-41) and against Top 25 teams (1-18). Oh how quickly people forget. Not to mention the program under his watch being found guilty of Academic Fraud by the NCAA in 2005, in 2007 an investigation into un-paid tickets and verbal abuse to KU personel and employees. 2009, the investigation into mis-treatment of players that was backed up and supported by MANY former KU football players, which led to his resignation. Oh, and the fact that in 2009, his teams (with NFL talent mind you) lost 7 straight games. Now I know what you are thinking "at least we were competetive and didn't get blown out". But, KU did lose several games by 3-4 TD's in the Mangino era. If you were to be honest with yourself, there isn't a coach in the county that could take the talented (but largely in-experienced) KU roster and play the schedule KU has played and have a better record. The last 5 games have been brutal, Georgia Tech, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma and Kansas State. That schedule would be a challenge to even the most veteran and seasoned teams. Now, I know what you are thinking, I bet the games would be closer. Well, if all you are interested in is moral victories to get you through until November when basketball starts, that is SAD.

I think KU fans have this "pie in the sky" view of the football program. KU is not going to get Les Miles to leave LSU, or Gene Chizik to leave Auburn, or Chip Kelly to leave Oregon and come to KU. What is best for KU is to allow Coach Gill more than 2 years to build up the program, where would KSU be if they fired Snyder after 2 years? At some point you have to be willing to take a few steps backwards with the view of taking 10 steps forward. It isn't like Coach Gill took over a program that was stacked with talent and ready for another Orange Bowl run.

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Steve Brown 2 years, 5 months ago

Hire a defensive 'consultant' right now, Mike Stoops or anyone that will give fresh eyes to what is not happening on field that needs to happen.

Pay him with 50% of Gill salary, give HCTG a chance to forfeit half of his pay as an investment.

Watched tape again, often our tacklers run to where the ball carriers are not where they will be when they arrive to the spot, means they are 'pressing' and not confident. Over-reaching.

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jmsuther 2 years, 5 months ago

Order of coaching priorities as seen by jmsuther. 1 get levitt. 2. Vinables from ou and keep chuck long. 3 say sorry to mangino and bring him back. 4. Leach. 5. Rich rodriquez. 6. shut down the program and forward all money to bball.

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kudocrx03 2 years, 5 months ago

http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/3613

Great perspective on how the rest of the season will go. Let him finish out the most embarrassing season in Div. I-A football and then get this clown out of here. After this dismal hiring and the previous atrocious 2 yrs, it is important for KU to bring in a coach with a name. The fan base has been lost; firing him will not be enough. We expect improvement in our football team, we expect improvement in our leadership. Failing would be bringing anyone with less than a name and a resume.

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blackhawkjayhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Chuck Woodling was right. He called this the same day Gill was hired. I love Gill's attitude and his attitude but he may just be too nice of a guy.

And don't give me any junk about Mangino being tough. Grade him like they do in the Olympics - throw out the best season and the worst season - and you have a mediocre career that was descending.

June Jones should be out next coach. Get Hadl and Sayers in the room with him and show him what KU football can be.

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nocaljayhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

If I lived close enough to have the option to attend KU football games, I would participate in boycotting KU football for the rest of the season, or as long as it takes until Gill is gone and the whole abortion that was his hiring is in the books. Come on KUAD, admit a mistake and move on; this program is going backward with this clown at the wheel.

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babyjay1 2 years, 5 months ago

Hmmm... Who was that guy looking for a head coaching job while we were hunting for a coach? Oh yea, it was Tommy T! Let's see, where is he now? Oh yea, just out there coaching TT to a win over #3 OU....

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Steve Brown 2 years, 5 months ago

Why is he burning red shirts, ( a term for eating your future) if it doesn't make for more wins.

Hope is not a strategy, then we are left dreaming of a better tomorrow with no evidence it is to come.

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Robert Lofthouse 2 years, 5 months ago

. . .and, it was on national TV!

So follow the money y'all.

Boycott KU football for the remainder of this year!

Get your fellow season ticket holders to show up right before the next home (Baylor) game and hold a ticket bonfire in the parking lot, then go to your favorite pub to have a pity party, leaving the 'home' side of the stadium completely bare for the game -- they won't have time to replace the emtpy seats. If that doesn't grab the attention of the national sports media, this next one will.

Don't attend the Missouri game either.

Imagine Arrowhead with about 30,000 emtpy seats, on one side of the stadium, for the Border War!

Don't travel with the team to Texas either.

The donors certainly would not appreciate that.

If you can make a physical statement by keeping the stadium 'half' empty in the last 2 games of the season, then that should seal any final decision the Chancellor needs to make.

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DallasJayhawk1 2 years, 5 months ago

Translation from Zenger = Gill is gone. You can't get your a$$ handed to you this many times and still say it's re-building. He doesn't hold players accountable for their mistakes---like or not Mangino would get in a player's face if they had any of these stupid penalties we've had. We don't even look competitive. How about throw the ball down the field ?? Gill is too conservative--a nice guy but he needs to be coaching a smaller school like he was at Buffalo. Anybody that says he needs more time is crazy---there are NO signs it's getting better and what recruit wants to come to a school where teams put up 50 on you every week. The message needs to be sent by bringing in someone soon or after the season.

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hawkster007 2 years, 5 months ago

Duh, OSU DC Bill Young is NOT coming back to KU, he is 62 years old and Boone Pickens went and hired him back from Miami (where he went after KU) to OSU (his alma mater) and told him to name his price, so he is probably making more as DC at OSU than KU would pay as head coach....At 62, this is his last hurrah. And I don't want a 62 year old head coach, as good as Bill is.

KU will have to do their due diligence for once, instead of relying on the good ol' boy network that got them in this mess...

Dantonio won another big game for Spartans 2nite, he was Glen Mason's cornerbacks coach in 1991, he ain't coming back either. He coaches and teaches tough football. Funny thing, all these good coaches, they all have one common trait, they are tough SOBs. KU will have to dig hard to find a good coach.

Leo Durocher was right, nice guys finish last, see ya Turner!

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AzNHawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Although I am deeply disappointed in today's performance I'm not going to hold onto it for long. It was a poorly executed game with unneeded/undisciplined fouls and penalties/turnovers.

It's real easy to complain, complain, complain, and call for a coaches head, but I'm going to keep my head up and hope that the football team can make the best of what is left of the football season.

Although we may all have differing views on the abilities of Coach Gill I will give him this: After all the losses, the media, the scrutiny, and pressure that comes with being a head coach at a BCS school he still keeps his head up and continues to believe in himself and his plan for this KU football team.

When the pressure gets hot and everyone expects you to step down you can cave in or continue to persevere and be persistent because you feel so confident in what you are doing even with excruciating external circumstances. That is a great trait to have not just in football, but life in general.

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cajayfan 2 years, 5 months ago

We all know who is to blame for Gill's contract...it's history, get over it. Get real, we can not get a big name Div. I coach and Gill is here until the end of the year(at least). The AD's statement is posturing, to give us all hope. I say look at June Jones. Look at what he has done at SMU. Of course, there is the chance he might yell at his players every now and then.....

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LSHawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Anyone knows you cant turn a program around in 2 years BUT it should show signs of progress and Gill and his staff have shown us nothing of the kind if in fact they seem to be going backwards. Our program is becomming a JOKE nationally, we MUST fire Gill and hire someone who is going to build us a great program.

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Kevin Randell 2 years, 5 months ago

You know...I read so many posts on here of people saying you can't turn a program around in 2 years. Funny.....right now I am watching a coach (who was interested in the KU job) in his second year at Texas Tech and he's up (at this moment) 14-7 against OU in Norman. Hmmm......(Oh...and they lost their QB and WR's when Leach left to).

So....just saying....

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bjejayhawk69 2 years, 5 months ago

Perkins essentially fired Chris Dawson or did allow Gill to retain him. Huge mistake but Gill did hire Williams. Another huge mistake and the first of many. If Gill knew what he was doing he would have insisted Dawson stay and other assistants that Mangino had.

Gill simple can't prepare a team, make in game adjustments and day in and day out motivate a Div 1 level team. The BELIEVE principal is a joke. He is paid $2 mil per year to coach football not preach.

Another name out there is Dave Doeren (Northern Illinois coach and former KU assistant). Also Jim Leavitt - another railroaded coach but to succeed here you have to have an edge to you. Nice guy FB coaches don't succeed here - Valasente, Allen and now the worst of lot - Gill.

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hawkster007 2 years, 5 months ago

90sHawk, I agree with part of u say, and disagree in part. One reason we have Gill is Perkins ego thought he would attract Harbaugh or some other big name to KU, he suffered from the God complex and thought anyone would want to play for mighty Lew. Just the opposite happened, Lew scared off all the big name coaches, who wants to play for an AD that fires the most successful football coach in KU's history. Thus, we got stuck with Gill because Lew scared the good coaches away. I actually think we have a much better chance of getting a good coach with Lew and his ego gone! KU will NOT get a big name coach, no Venables, nobody that is a defensive coordinator with a real successful team now. Those guys are waiting for the offers from the big-time programs, and they will come. Hopefully, KU can find someone flying under the radar, or someone with a major program that is disillusioned and wants to leave. There are lots of good coaches I'm sure....but KU needs to use a proper interview process this time...

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Geekinout 2 years, 5 months ago

Knowing how bad KU football and the athletic administration decisions have been, they'll probably fire Turner Gill and hire Vic Shealy...

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John Percival 2 years, 5 months ago

Was there a block in the back on the kickoff after their first TD? Was at the game and saw a push in the side by Seward on the one replay they showed. They'll call it a 15 yard penalty, but I call it a 70 yarder.

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parrothead8 2 years, 5 months ago

Michigan is doing okay this year with recruits Rich Rodriguez brought in over the last three years. Maybe we give Gill four years - three to bring in recruits, a fourth to get some results - and go from there.

Or maybe we just bring in someone like Rich Rodriguez, who manages to win pretty much everywhere he goes...although we'd probably have to keep a pretty close eye on him.

At least we know Gill isn't cheating. No way we give up 50 points a week if we're cheating to get good players.

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hawkster007 2 years, 5 months ago

Up thru today, I didn't put any blame on the players, I noted they were not even given a fair chance by the current poor coaching staff. As bad as Gill is, did the players give up because of Gill, or just give up. I can't blame Gill for no tackling on KSU kick-off returns and fumbles, that is all on the players....I'm ready to see some new players on the field also, its clear the current guys aren't getting it done, it can't get much worse so you might as well find out who wants to play. Also, obvious lack of discipline today by KU players, its clear that Gill's coed curfew and other silly rules have no impact on discipline on the field....Make Gill team Chaplain if you want, but get a real coach....

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hawkster007 2 years, 5 months ago

Ug, well the only good thing is this loss should seal Gill's fate, and Long, and Shealy! I remember in the 1st Qtr. KU was pinned at their 10 yard line, they ran one of those slow hand-off sweeps to the right and Beshears dropped for a 3 yard loss, the very next play KU runs the same play to the left for a 2 yard loss. Its difficult to determine who is the worst coach, who put these clowns together. But they are laughing all the way to the bank....Gill, Purple Rain, the coach formerly known as Prince!

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Ben Kliewer 2 years, 5 months ago

Turner Gill = KU's Ron Prince.

All of you still singing this "2 years isn't enough time" song need to pull your heads out.

Two years is enough time to actually show something. Gill has shown only that he has the ability to drive this entire program into the ground.

We haven't just had two bad years. We've had two historically bad years. Record breaking bad years. Worse than Terry Allen bad years. Worst years in program history bad years. The cupboard was not bare when Gill inherited the team, and all he has managed to do is wreck the offense and then make it better than it was last year, which is still leagues behind where it was the year before he came.

Screw Perkins nailed us when he left by hiring this unproven, untalented coach.

Gill has made it abundantly clear that he does not have the ability to coach in the Big 12. He had one good year in the MAC because of a few extenuating circumstances outside of the Buffalo program.

Bottom line: Gill is not a good football coach. He needs to go coach 8-Man at a high school in Nebraska somewhere, where his "skills" will be appreciated.

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SCJayhawker 2 years, 5 months ago

As a season ticket holder I cannot accept this any longer. To listen to the moronic chants of KSU Wildats echo through OUR empty stadium is the finial straw! While most, if not all the players on the team support Coach Gill, he must now take desperate steps to save his own skin. He must fire the D - Coord. He must also fire Coach Mitchell. I know for a fact he is a problem. The so called recruit coord. has not even spoken to many of the players or their families while they were being recruited. His "ya know, ahhhh ya know.....ya knows" when being iterviewed on the radio make him, and the university, sound like illiterate idiots. Coach Gill is not long for this job if he does not clean house. It maybe too late. As for this season ticket holder the line is now drawn in the sand.

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John Percival 2 years, 5 months ago

The play before the end of the half is a fireable offense whether it's Gill or Shealy.

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elkwc36 2 years, 5 months ago

I will just say after the K-State Prince fiasco which I was against from the start I do feel for the fans and players at KU. I hope to see KU competitive in the future. I have one question. Did Gill not retain the strength coach that is now at K-State or did the coach leave when Mangino was fired? He is one reason K-State is doing so well and I always heard so many positive things about him while he was with KU. I hope he stays around a while. Strength and conditioning were optional with Prince. And his strength coach wasn't very demanding. The current one is and you can tell a difference in their stamina and also less severe injuries. Best of luck in the remaining games.

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ejlumus 2 years, 5 months ago

First things first ..... fire the larda$$ strength and conditioning coach.

Hire a Navy Seal to put some fight in these players.

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d_bradley27 2 years, 5 months ago

Lots of passionate posts. Actually thought most would be off doing something else after today's performance. I have to wonder what fans see in Zenger's history that suggests he can land a top coach to come to Kansas? I think his hire as an AD was just a hasty as the Gill hire. Yes, he coached and has done some recruiting but none of that experience was close to BCS expectations. I'm sorry but its hard to get fired up over a Dr.of Journalism. He's shown nothing to date. His connections are not in talent rich areas. Someone please show me what I'm missing w/ this guy! Would love to "believe" he can do something w/ this mess but he appears to be no better.. which is a long winded way of saying be careful what you wish for. Throwing money at the next available coach wont turn the program around.

Rock Chalk

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danmoore 2 years, 5 months ago

My patience with Coach Gill is running thin but I am not in favor of firing him. I want to see what he can do with his own recruits. Firing a coach after two years sends a bad message to future head coaches, OC's and DC's. The risk of one more year is only another losing season but if he can turn this program around the reward could be huge.

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90sHawk 2 years, 5 months ago

I'm for giving Gill at least another year, if not 2. I have a shred of faith left that after another recruiting class or 2, with his first full class in their 3rd year, the ship will have turned the corner. However, the one exception has to be these kind of losses. Once we get into conference play next year, if he strings 3 blowout losses together like he's been doing, he has got to go. Realize people, if we fire him now and go get another coach, he'll be an unproven guy as well. No big name coach is coming here, and that is just the way it is. IF Gill is able to get things going in the right direction, I don't believe him to be the type of guy who will bail on us at first opportunity like alot of coaches would. Additionally, I don't see many, if any, comments from people laying blame at the players feet. Gill shouldn't be the only one taking fire, how about spitting some towards the guys actually playing the game as well.

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DB Ashton 2 years, 5 months ago

I'm for Leach. Tomorrow. We've had the pig and the pius. Let's go for the pirate. He'll lose, too, but it'll be entertaining. Kansas football is not a serious proposition. Let's have some fun!

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milwaukeeJAYHAWK 2 years, 5 months ago

The Mike Leach idea would certainly create some buzz with recruits, you can't argue that. It's like when Huggins came to K-State....boom.....Beasley, higher national profile, etc. that continues to this day.

Would be better than another Turner Gill.....

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Jason Keller 2 years, 5 months ago

I've supported Gill since he got here but, those back to back timeouts he called when KU had the ball in the redzone exposed his lack of confidence and experience. The great coaches already know what they are going to do on 4th down before they even run the 3rd down play, depending on what happens. When he called timeout he didn't need to speak with his offense, he needed time to think.

Gill needs to fire his secondary coach and pull the scholarships from Barfield and the rest of the secondary players. Those are all D-2 guys. I've never seen anything that bad at this level of comperition. The kids can't even lineup right and forget about man coverage.

Next he needs to find someone he trusts to call plays and stick to the recruiting.

Lastly, I think he should hold the kids more accountable. When our safety completely blew that coverage with a few seconds left in the first half, Gill should have wanted to kick a gatorade cooler across Kansas and maybe he did but it doesn't show. Being cool is one thing but after a play like that you need to let the kids (and the fans) know how piss poor of a job that was. Obviously we don't see how he is in the locker room, perhaps he is a firey guy but it doesn't show in public.

Turner Gill will likely get a 3rd year here at Kansas. That's normally the minimum for a credible guy like Gill. I still think he can get it going.

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Ethan Berger 2 years, 5 months ago

We will not or should not hire Mangino, Leech, Tressel, or any coach that has had some kind of negative history. First and foremost, the NCAA will have a telescope on our program, one lil slip up with this guys could mean losing schollies. 2nd, since the news came out about these coaches, it might hard to get quality recruits to jump on board. No player wants to be verbally abused and locked in a locker. 3rd. There are so many good coordinators that have never been a HC that we should attempt to get. We aren't going to get a nice proven coach before the big schools jump on board. We are a stepping stone for coaches. Lets take advantage of that, and hopefully we can build up to change that.

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hawksfanatic 2 years, 5 months ago

Mr. Zenger: I have an idea. Perhaps instead of looking for a new coach and losing all that buyout money, we should look for a new league. Having watched KU football with a heavy heart for more years than I care to remember, and becoming increasingly despondent this year, I propose the WTF League. You can figure out the acronym, but F stands for Football. Right. So, I propose the new league invite these members: Minnesota, Duke, Ole Miss, Kentucky, Indiana and Northwestern as its initial members in addition to KU. I was thinking of adding UNC and Vanderbilt, but they may be too good - sometimes. I realize that some will want to include KSU and Missouri in this league, but in consideration of how they usually whip our butts in F, I would decline. Or perhaps we should just drop football altogether because, except for two or three years out of 40, we just can't field a decent team. And I, for one, have had it with "wait until basketball season."

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Paul Christiansen 2 years, 5 months ago

It's unfortunate Sheahon Zenger is new to the job.

The football team fiasco goes all the way up the ladder to the Chancellor.

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stubert 2 years, 5 months ago

I now understand why bubba did not take the a.d, job To bad we ended up with a wantta be

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jhawkrulz 2 years, 5 months ago

I know that this is going to be an uphill battle. I knew that HCTG would get this year complete without an early firing even if every game was ugly. However things need to be considered. Like for instance he burned a red-shirt last week, and I wonder how many redshirts he burned this year. Last year he burned Mecham's red-shirt year when he transferred partly because of injury, but this year, he has burned it in a duty of finish the games, because Webb is getting crushed.

Also, recruiting is going to be ugly this year (again).

I would hope that if they are considering HCTG for a third season, they need to make a DC coordinator change now. It is clear that HCTG doesn't know much about the Defense and the coaches currently in there are over their heads. I'm hoping that they make a change in that earlier than later. I'm not saying the offense is great, but clearly the defense needs to do something and something soon.

I would imagine that even without the buyout, there is going to be some negotiation on the buyout. Although it might not be $6, it might be $2-$3, which still isn't cheap.

Names are good to talk about for coaching. I've heard some good ones and clearly we need someone that has a defensive mind. I'm hoping that we either go with a proven Head Coach or a Coordinator that has years of experience in an effective defense.

I would admit we are never going to get the supreme recruits, we will need to develop players, but we need someone that can coach the players.

I'm just curious if we are going to be competitive in any game this year.

Never been a HCTG fan and he is struggling to develop talent.

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cg1029 2 years, 5 months ago

I'm sick of the loser talk from fans... We have never been a football school... Mangino had one good year... IF we fire Gill who would take the job... That is not the point... If you strive to be the best Gill's tenure as coach is unacceptable. Players have not progressed, the defense is a joke, and the offense is not much better. The offense only looks better compared to the abortion of last year. look at the facts KU averages 16 pts per game in the Big 12 in Gills tenure that is not acceptable in any way shape of form.

If KU wants to be a football program Sheahon needs to be on the phone right now calling BIG NAME COACHES and asking one question... HOW MUCH WILL IT TAKE FOR YOU TO COME TO KU? Pay a big name coach a BIG $$$ and end the abuse of KU fans now. IF KU IS WILLING to make a serious $$$ commitment to football big name coaches will listen. Personally I would start with Philip Fulmer and start the Bidding in the 3 Million... Make it hard for them to say no to you.

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Mangino_Maniac 2 years, 5 months ago

The house is burning to the ground and instead of calling the fire department our leaders are saying how the roof will get 'fixed'.... unreal.

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KULostBoy 2 years, 5 months ago

People, this is D1 football, which means it is about winning and money. NO more excuses. No matter how great of a person Gill is, he is apparently not ready for prime time. The defense staff is obviously inept and the coordinator should be fired immediately. Nobody is at the helm, anyway, so what difference will it make. KU will not win any more games this year, regardless. I am embarrassed, and I graduated from KU decades ago when the football program was only moderately inept, not a total loss. We ALL simply pray for for B-Ball season to start, and hide our faces and make excuses during football season. If Gill is truly an honorable person, he will offer his resignation now, effective the end of the season, and not demand payment for the rest of his contract. No one, except Wall Street, pays people millions of dollars to people who consistently lose while embarrassing their employer in the national media. And even Wall Street is finally catching some %^#& for it. KU will never be successful in football until the donors and school pay for a high profile, successful, and hopefully honest head coach - whoever that may be (not Tressel, Leach or Stoops). Can Bill Self coach football???

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BPSkelly 2 years, 5 months ago

Id be stunned if Turner Gill was actually fired after this season. I wouldnt be shocked if he's forced to can some coaches and 'reset' there. The cost to buy him out is significant, and while I dont think that cost is the issue we all think it is, doing that AND shelling out the jack for a new football coach -- weather of prominence (impossible), once of prominence (possible, but not likely), or some young coordinator (likely) -- seems unlikely.

Id prefer that scenario, but I see almost no shot at relieving Gill of his duties. At least not until after next year.

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Krohnutz 2 years, 5 months ago

Lew sure knew how to make money for the program, but wow.... Look where he spent it.

Seriously, I have been neutral to Coach Gill to this point, but I have never been more embarrassed as a KU alumni in my life.

We are record-breakingly pathetic.

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Sam Constance 2 years, 5 months ago

(...continued)

The comparison to Bill Self's first-round losses (from Toto-the-Great) is a terrible one. For starters, losing in the first round of the NCAA tournament is nowhere near as embarrasing as losing on a weekly basis in blowout fashion. Part of what makes a first-round tourney loss tough to deal with is a team having a high seed. KU won Big 12 conference championships in the two years he lost in the first round, as a #3 seed (2005) and a #4 seed (2006). The biggest moment of Gill's 1.5 years was a win over an overrated GT team last year, and outside of that moment, his teams have shown nothing but the ability to get manhandled and embarrass the entire KU fanbase. Comparing anything that Self has done to anything Gill has done is an insult to Bill Self.

Turner Gill's record has absolutely no bearing on my change of heart. KU is a difficult place to create consistently winning football and I understand that. Gill could have the exact same 5-13 record and I would still be clamoring for him to get a full class through the program... if he wasn't showing no signs of improvement on a play-to-play, game-to-game, or season-to-season basis.

At this point, the burden of proof is on Gill. There is no point to firing him mid-season, so he officially has five games to show me that there is a reason to believe he has any answers whatsoever as head coach. Honestly, giving Misery a nice, get-out-of-the-conference kick in the pants would go a long way to bring me back over to his side. But at this point, it's on him. No more benefit of the doubt.

Oh yeah, thanks Lew. Thanks a lot. Not sure what about your time at KU could possibly be considered positive.

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Sam Constance 2 years, 5 months ago

Since Gill was hired, I've been skeptically cautious. I was worried that a guy who had only shown a single season of success, at a level below where KU plays, was not experienced enough or equipped to handle the demands of coaching in the Big 12. However, I have maintained that as bad as some of the moments have looked for Gill's young tenure, as long as there was marginal improvement, Gill needed to be given time to at least have a season with his own recruits as upperclassmen. Aside from not wanting to go through another coaching change if po, I wanted to make sure there was no possibility of making a mistake and getting rid of a guy who, after some REALLY rough years, would end up being the answer.

No more.

The Oklahoma game was a small victory. The giant leaps taken backwards against KSU erase any shed of positivity from the OU game.

After a game, I don't think I--as a casual fan--should feel like I had information that the coaching staff didn't. I would need two hands to count the number of times I muttered to myself "watch for the QB to carry it", followed by a long run or TD by Klein. Was Gill and his staff AWARE that Klein is the leading rusher on the team? Do they even know he runs? I'm also tired of seeing our defensive backs CONSTANTLY five yards away from their man. If that's a consistent problem, it's hard not to wonder if the coaching staff is putting the players in the right places to make plays, rather than the players just having no capacity to retain information or learn from mistakes.

I hate the idea of paying Gill to not coach, but I also hate the idea of having five more years of this, and since Year 1 looks pretty similar to Year 2, it's hard to think anything is going to measurably change in three more years. I agree that two years is an unfair amount of time to evaluate a head coach, but I also think that $2 million is an unfair amount of money to take home each year to learn how to coach. If Gill came to Zenger and offered to take a major pay cut until the on-field results improved, I'd be happy as a clam to give Gill the time he deserves. I can't blame Gill for taking the money he was offered, but I'm also not going to feel bad about cutting his time short. With higher pay comes higher expectations.

(to be continued...)

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Geekinout 2 years, 5 months ago

"We continue to evaluate the program on a week-by-week basis at the University of Kansas," Zenger continued. "We will never make a complete evaluation until the season is over and the body of work is in."

My gosh, prove it to me then! Why would you not start looking for a replacement now that can get on the recruiting trail? Prove that you have the balls and aren't soft and predictable like KU's play-calling has been this entire season. I'm sure there are plenty of alumni with the money to make G-ill disappear happy with his pockets loaded. I've only seen this team get worse and I do think we have enough talent to at least not get spanked every loss. If there were signs of improvement and it looked like we were heading somewhere, then I'd buy in. Seeing players getting time on the field, while committing mistake after mistake, shows that he's lacking the discipline that is required to win the big ones when you add it all up. He never gets in any of these guys face to fire them up...

I had to watch Snyder all game long show more spirit, drive, and fire than Gill. Yes, a guy that has one foot in the retirement home showed more fight in him than Gill. I've never seen Gill go off on officials for suspect calls, all game I saw Snyder in the ref's ear. The fact that I am giving that old bag of bones that much credit makes me nauseous and ashamed how insignificant KU football has become. Welcome back to the Dark Ages!

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txjhawk77 2 years, 5 months ago

Anyone that would get the team to play inspired - not like they played against state rival k-state - would be an improvement.

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mightyquin 2 years, 5 months ago

I have never felt that Gill was the right man for the job but for those of you still wanting to give him a chance, if the first minute and a half of the second half doesn't give you second thoughts then you just don't get it!

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AzNHawk 2 years, 5 months ago

This article says KU is still paying Lew and Mangino. So, if we fire Gill we'll owe him his 6 mil plus the salaries of the rest of the staff. So let's just say 8mil + total PLUS continue to keep paying Mangino and Lew PLUS paying the new coach and his assistants should KU get rid of Gill.

Does the University take a big negative in the bank account or stick it out?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/905596-kansas-jayhawks-and-why-they-cannot-fire-turner-gill

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babyjay1 2 years, 5 months ago

ESPN just quoted Zenger's statement... I think putting that out there is just the first step toward a new head football coach!!

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Janet Scott 2 years, 5 months ago

Why don't we ask Lew who he would recommend to replace Gill? Where is Lew, anyway? Nebraska's Dr. O is laughing his head off about now, knowing Gill was a loser of a coach, yet Dr. O recommended him to Lew - or so Lew said. Time for Gill to hit the street.

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HireJimTressel_ku 2 years, 5 months ago

Would you really rather have Leach over Jim Tressel? How many championships has Leach wo?. Go big or go home. Jim Tressel for KU head coach.

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hammerhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

We want Leach!!! We must get rid of Gill and his no names of our players on the backs of their uniforms. Out with him I say (and plead)!

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Jack McEnaney 2 years, 5 months ago

Hi, I'm Jim Tressel, and I would love to be your next football coach at THE University of Kansas. I have won a national championship, as well as other BCS victories. I am most proud of the fact that I never once lost to my schools rival Michigan during my tenure. If you hire me, I promise not to lose to your little wildcats or tigers EVER. We will win at least two games every year being those two. I will bring the right attitude this school is looking for on and off the field. While I appreciate your current head coach being a decent recruiter, you are not looking to be a mac school are you?? I am a winner, and KU is in need of a winner. My team will not only be a family, but will be fundamentally sound. My defense will be tenacious and will go after the football. Did you watch the players on the field today, turning their back on the quarterback when he had the ball to run after the pitch man? You will never see that again if I am your coach. What you will see is the quarterback picking himself off the ground wondering what day it is. Yes, I will come with a price tag, but you get what you pay for. Would you rather spend two million a year for two wins or five million a year to own the Big 12, 14, 16, whatever. I need a job, the Colts are killing me. Yours,

Jim

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actorman 2 years, 5 months ago

Sorry, but I just don't buy it any more. Speaking as someone who has been for giving Gill another year, I've changed my mind. This is absolutely pathetic! And if anyone wasn't sure, one play should have convinced you: that KSU pass down the middle with 13 seconds left in the first half. A PEEWEE team would have played prevent defense there and not allowed that, and not only did KU allow it but the guy was wide open, with no one even CLOSE to him! And as completely inexcusable as that is, it would be one thing if it happened once, but it happens over and over and over (and over)!

Enough is enough! Let Gill finish out the year, and barring the unexpected happening (like say finishing within 30 points of any team other than ISU), get rid of the whole lot of them. I'm sick of it and the TG apologists need to look at the reality of the fact that it's not just losing games, and it's not even just getting blown out, it's not even being REMOTELY competitive.

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Randy Bombardier 2 years, 5 months ago

P.S. Next hire, build performance standards into contract and don't offer a contract to anyone, anyone without them. Not reaching standards is cause for termination. Perhaps even better, don't offer a contract or employment agreement at all. Go year to year.

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RibMan 2 years, 5 months ago

I don't think Gill is qualified to be an offensive coordinator in a big time college football program. That's a red flag. Like Herm Edwards-- Herm didn't have the ability to coordinate a defense, yet he was in charge of the team.

Gill is a good man who is not in a position to succeed. He won't be hired by a top football program after he is let go.

I hope this happens as soon as the season ends.

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Randy Bombardier 2 years, 5 months ago

Give TG one more year. Ask him if he will resign at the end of the year if he does not meet a certain standard. Ask him to come up with some performance standards, W's, team stats, turnover margin, penalties, and other indicators that the team is getting better. Reach an agreement with AD that he will resign if those goals are not met. He has every right to say, "We have an agreement. If you don't like my performance, fire me." Yet, I think he will do the honorable thing if he cannot reach his own goals. Because his reputation is at stake, I think he will respond to this approach. He has publicly said such things as championships, dynasty, and so forth. Pretty high standards. I think he will want to save KU some pain and money since the University gave him a shot. I think he will get one more year, but may ask for two. I believe that this can be worked out here. We are not dealing with a prima donna. You guys sure you want Mike Leach?

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Raymond Wright 2 years, 5 months ago

Dismall record is one thing, playing to blowouts is another

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straightforward 2 years, 5 months ago

It's totally unreasonable to expect one person to turn around a football program in a year or two. Sure, we can fire him, but then we'll find ourselves right back in this situation in two or three years. Give Gill the time he deserves to instill his players and his system.

Unfortunately Zenger will probably cave and give in to donor pressure. He's a weak AD. It scares me that he represents us in the conference realignment saga.

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hawk316 2 years, 5 months ago

I appreciate Zenger's passion. The Jayhawk nation want and expect more from our football program than what we've seen. These results are discouraging, frustrating and totally unacceptable. So, do we fire Gill?

NO. History repeatedly has revealed numerous coaches who began with dismal records, but when given time, were able to turn losing programs around. To think of firing Gill after two seasons would be premature.

Can Gill succeed in this monumental task (KU is unquestionably one of the most difficult coaching jobs in the Big XII)? Two things suggest that he can. First, his ability to recruit. We have seen significant improvement in talent after one recruiting class. Put two or three of those in succession, and we're talking about a much different team. Secondly, this man is able to inspire his players and staff. Any coach who can keep his players believing in themselves after this string of humiliating losses has something special to offer.

I repeat, can Gill succeed? No one knows for sure, but one thing is certain, we'll never know if we don't give him a fighting chance. I, for one, am pulling for him because I love what he stands for.

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Michael Sillman 2 years, 5 months ago

I've been a supporter of Gill and I still am but he needs to do something in a hurry to bring hope back to the KU fan base. Even though they are good guys, the defensive coaching staff is not getting it done.

As the CEO of the football team, one Gill's responsbilities is to hold management staff accountable and go hire new people when necessary. Perhaps he could pull in one of the big name coaches out of work as a consultant then go for a new defensive coaching staff for next year.

I certainly don't have my head in the sand. After the improvement of last week, this was a kick in the head.

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Kent Wells 2 years, 5 months ago

My crystal ball says the body of work:

Oct 29, Loss, 63-14, 650 yards of total offense (for Texas) Nov 5, Loss, 35-31, 500 yards of total offense (for ISU) Nov 12, Loss, 63-21, 700 yards of total offense (just for Griffin) Nov 19, Loss 56-14, 650 yards if total offense (just for Reveille) Nov 26, Loss 69-21, 715 yards if total offense

The body of work is complete with a 2-10 record. NCAA record for yards allowed per game. And if I had the energy or inclination, probably the most points surrendered by a D1 team in the history of the NCAA. Awesome body of work.

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Jaminrawk 2 years, 5 months ago

My guess is the evaluation involves raising funds to fire Gill & company. Sheahon was an assistant recruiting coordinator and director of football operations under Bill Snyder and helped build the South Florida football program as a recruiter there. I'm pretty sure this losing is grating on him especially since Gill was a Perkins hire. Unless Gill gets these guys to win a couple of games in impressive fashion to close out this season, this might be it for him.

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Toto_the_great 2 years, 5 months ago

+1. How many of you "fans" were calling for Self after he lost two first round games in back-to-back years? Now look at us. Sure there are a couple of no-name surprises, but do you really want him gone? They will can a few assistant coaches and bring in new blood. Gill has brought in the talent, we just need coaches to develop it. He will be here at least 4 years (unless we go 0-fer).

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Jeremy Bolinger 2 years, 5 months ago

Leach and Tressel would never, ever happen. Also, who's gonna pay that 6 million dollar buyout? Yea, we'll be waiting awhile to get better.

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jayhawker_06 2 years, 5 months ago

I say the defensive coordinator needs to be shown the door by Monday! Opponents averaging over 50 ppg against us is UNACCEPTABLE!

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dallashawk05 2 years, 5 months ago

Given the level of talent he inherited, Gill deserves at least 2012.... remember KU lost the last 7 games in 2009, and that was with Reesing, Briscoe, and Meier who all left the program.... I am not saying Gill is definitely the answer or anything, but the cupboard was completely dry. I can't imagine Mangino being very successful the last 2 years with having to start all over on offense with true freshman. And the defense was not great in 2008 or 2009 under Mangino. Today was embarrassing though.

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nocaljayhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

FIRE TURNER GILL!!!! Big Lew's final "screw you" to old KU, and it's a screw that keeps on screwing, just ask KSU, OU, OSU, MU, NDSU, GaTech, USM, and all those other schools that have made KU football look like a complete joke these past two lost seasons.

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ahpersecoachingexperience 2 years, 5 months ago

Yikes! I was all in a hurry to say something like "spoke from KSU's sideline" or "then returned to popping bottles with Snyder" but it looks like sheahoRn might be serious.

Stay tuned...

("Stay tuned" is written with expressed consent from Matt Tait)

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tbbucboy21 2 years, 5 months ago

HireJimTressel #FireTurnerGill

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Maracas 2 years, 5 months ago

Show Gill and everyone on his staff the door at the end of the season, plant a foot in their behinds, and propel them through it. We've seen enough of this joke Perkins played on us.

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huskerpower 2 years, 5 months ago

How about Leach as a head coach, Mangino at o-coordinator, and Jim Levitt at d-coordinator?

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HottRod 2 years, 5 months ago

How about we start the "fixing" with a new coach? Preferably not a unproven guy.

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kugrampy 2 years, 5 months ago

If there were signs of our football program moving in the right direction that would be one thing, but our Jayhawks appear to be getting worse and worse each game. Absolutely no noticable improvement on either side of the line! Coaching or players?

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