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Thursday, November 17, 2011

Bill Self: UK could be top team

Kansas guard Tyshawn Taylor gets an earful from Kentucky guard Doron Lamb and a cluster of Kentucky fans after Lamb hit a three-pointer during the second half on Tuesday, Nov. 15, 2011 at Madison Square Garden in New York.

Kansas guard Tyshawn Taylor gets an earful from Kentucky guard Doron Lamb and a cluster of Kentucky fans after Lamb hit a three-pointer during the second half on Tuesday, Nov. 15, 2011 at Madison Square Garden in New York.

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Kansas University coach Bill Self believes the Kentucky basketball team that pasted KU, 75-65, on Tuesday in New York ranks as one of the finest squads his Jayhawks have faced in the past nine years.

“We’ve played two teams that would rival them from a talent standpoint — one would be Memphis, and one would be Florida,” Self said Wednesday on his Hawk Talk radio show.

The Jayhawks downed eventual national champion Florida, 82-80, in overtime on Nov. 25, 2006, in Las Vegas, and toppled Memphis, 75-68, in overtime in the 2008 NCAA title game.

“You are looking at maybe four lottery picks,” Self added of UK’s Terrence Jones, Anthony Davis, Marquis Teague and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and/or Doron Lamb.

“If they keep getting better, they have a chance to be the best team in the country,” Self added. “From a raw-talent standpoint, even the Carolina team we faced in the Final Four with (Ty) Lawson, (Wayne) Ellington, (Tyler) Hansbrough and Danny Green ... this Kentucky team may even be superior to that. That’s some hard-rocking dudes. They have a real shot (at 2012 national title).”

Kentucky’s athletic big men blocked 13 shots Tuesday, the most ever against a KU team. Texas blocked 12 KU shots in a 80-68 loss to the Jayhawks on Feb. 8, 2010, in Austin, Texas.

“A lot of it was because we didn’t do what we should have done to get the ball in certain areas and maybe took some bad shots,” Self said. “For them to block that many shots and for us to outrebound them (39-34) ... they got eight offensive rebounds and several early off long bounces. I thought our defense and rebounding were exceptional.”

The score was knotted at 28 at halftime.

“They didn’t play great at all the first half, in large part because we really guarded them,” Self said. “Their best offense was our offense, which is pretty sad to say, because they scored off our offense. Bad shots led to run-outs. Turnovers led to numbers.”

Kentucky used a 24-7 run to bust a 30-30 tie and put the game away by the 10-minute mark of the second half.

Self, who watched game film upon the Jayhawks’ 7 a.m. return to Lawrence following an early-morning charter flight, said it was a “good teaching tape.” He held a film session and practice Wednesday night.

“This is what I think we take for granted sometimes, and I as a coach take for granted ... we had one guy (on team) who has actually had pressure on him ever before in a game. That’s Tyshawn (Taylor),” Self said of the senior point guard who scored 22 points, but had five shots blocked.

He then rattled off the names of Elijah Johnson, Thomas Robinson, Travis Releford, Jeff Withey, Conner Teahan, Justin Wesley and Naadir Tharpe as “never having any pressure on them (before).

“You say, ‘Well that’s not true, he played in this game or that game (in past).’ No, no, no, no, no,” Self said. “He (may have) played in that game. He stayed in the game if he played really, really well. If he didn’t play well, he was coming out because there’s a lot of guys that look alike we could put in.

“We knew that going in, but I thought it was a different feel. The guys were juiced, jacked, played hard, went after the ball with two hands, did good things, but there was some doubt that crept in. When you are not quite as confident, you do look slow and hesitant. That will change.”

Self remembers lots of past KU players who struggled while gaining game experience.

“The first real game Mario Chalmers played in or Julian Wright played in ... we couldn’t play them,” Self said. “It’s not unusual this happened. Still yet, we could have been right there if we played smarter offensively.”

Posing: A Hawk Talk caller asked Self about KU junior Robinson posing for the ESPN cameras after a vicious slam dunk in the first half.

“Last night it bothered me. Our whole game plan was, our bigs (after baskets or secured rebounds) had 3.0 seconds to cross the free-throw line extended on their end, because they run so well,” Self said.

“He posed for two seconds. Tyshawn got his first foul because Thomas posed. He should have been in the exact spot where Tyshawn’s man drove him and picked up the foul. He got his second foul right after that when the first one shouldn’t have occurred.”

Self said, “that will be good teaching tape. Put it in perspective. It’s in the Garden. You are walking around, and Spike Lee is talking to you here, other celebrities are there, all sitting in the front row. The place is jumping. This is big-time atmosphere in the most historic building in the world, and our guys are so excited. Sometimes things happen from an excitement level early on we can correct and maybe put us in a situation we can handle a little better moving forward.”

Recruiting: Andrew White, a 6-6 senior forward from Miller School in Chester, Va., did not announce his college choice Wednesday, the last day of the early signing period. Various recruiting analysts believe White may have signed a letter with one of his finalists (KU, West Virginia, Texas, North Carolina State, Georgetown) and will announce at a family gathering at the end of the month.

Comments

Randy Maxwell 8 years ago

Yeah Bill youve been out recruited so bad by half the teams in the top 10. Remember you have made 1 final 4 in 8 years, yeah

Sally Presson 8 years ago

shut the heck up Maxhawk--you are NOT a KU basketball fan. The best thing that ever happened to KU basketball was Bill Self and Roy leaving. Roy's heart was never at KU, Bill's is and he's a great coach and ole Roy never a national championship

John Randall 8 years ago

The only thing Roy's leaving really hurt was our feelings at the time.

In reality, it turned out well for KU and for Roy.

Michael Bratisax 8 years ago

LOL Just can't move on from Roy leaving... And by the way, Roy has 2 NCs under his belt.

Mel Clare 8 years ago

Williams never won in 15 years here..............

ccarp 8 years ago

He may have been out recruited by 5 teams, but he has 7 straight conference championships and has 165 victories in the last 5 years in a league that has had the highest RPI. And that lone final four was a NC, so yeah.

Steve Reigle 8 years ago

And Self has the highest win percentage, too. Must be because he was out-recruited. Yeah, I'm sure that must be it.

cklarock 8 years ago

+1. I'm really tired of this recruiting whine. STFU already. Get behind your team, and enjoy this season for what it is.

jayhawkinATL 8 years ago

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ahpersecoachingexperience 8 years ago

1 national championship in 8 years. Sounds kind of different.

Christopher Giordano 8 years ago

This argument is so bad. The fact that you are talking about Bill Self getting beat in recruiting is ridiculous. Do you remember the past 2 drafts. Bill Self had 4 players taken in the lottery. That has a little to do with recruiting. This years team will be a much different team we are used to. Bill Self will have them in the hunt for the Big XII title. It's going to be fun to watch the Jayhawks in Maui.

lionhawkward 8 years ago

Was the comment for real? The only sport you played was cologne from Ralph Lauren in the 80's..... What a joke!

omng392 8 years ago

If that is true, doesn't that just prove how much better of a coach Self is... If he is doing more with less talent, as you have stated that he has gotten out recruited wouldn't that mean is is a lot better coach?

TheGiftedOne 8 years ago

Shaka Smart and Brad Stevens got out recruited too............. Rivals.com doesn't determine the final four, the players playing in the game do. Self has been out recruited the last few years but that doesn't say anything about his basketball coaching ability... he is obviously pretty damn good. Haters gon' hate.

John Randall 8 years ago

Max, how many top ten (in recruiting) teams reach a FF more often? Does any coach have as many Regional Finals (including two where UCLA was playing a home game)? How many games have the teams won who have more than KU in 8 years? Why does KU win the conference and a couple in NCAA year after year with inferior recruits?

Yeah, you said it, yeah.

DrPepper 8 years ago

Thanks, Gary for looking up the blocked shot record against Kansas. I was wondering about that.

kerbyd 8 years ago

Saw where Long Beach State beat Pitt (rated #9) by 10 points. Guess we did not do so bad after all.

Brad Avery 8 years ago

Long Beach State is an excellent team, as is Pittsburgh. LBS is very athletic, well coached, poised and has a very effective half-court trapping defense. They will be not be a walkover on December 6th. KU will be fortunate to beat them.

TheGiftedOne 8 years ago

Im happy we didn't fire Coach Self after losing to Oral Roberts at home.

Michael Sillman 8 years ago

This shows why Self is such a great coach. There was quite a bit of teachable stuff on this film.

Robinson will see that no matter how muscular you are, you cannot score against triple teams.

Taylor will see that he does not always have to take the ball all the way to the hoop on drives. Kick it out to Teahan before you get packed.

Releford will see that he needs to stay closer to his man and not allow the wide open three.

Withey was the most impressive to me but he'll figure out what Aldrich learned is that a 7 footer doesn't even need to leave his feet for the blocks.

All in all, though, I was pleasantly surprised. It looked like we did belong on the same floor with Kentucky. I am not saying we would beat them.

My only worry now is whether Self can recruit another guard for next year.

yates33333 8 years ago

This is a jaybate quality comment! Two caveats, however. Jaylark needed to comment on Releford's poor offensive play. Releford is much better than he played on Tuesday. Withey did need to jump when long players such as U.K.'s front line shot in the box or at the rim. Yes, Withey did play a good game against a really good team. Let's hope this is the beginning of a consistent two years from him.

Now the agreements. In this game Bill Self did demonstrate that he is a great coach. I think 99 percent already knew this. He had his team ready. He didn't anticipate that the second half would be unlike the first half. Who would have? Yes, he did make it look like we belonged on the same floor as Kentucky's pros. Yes, Self does need to recruit a high ranked guard for next year.

I wish Jaylark had commented on EJ's weak game. For the sake of our season, I hope EJ's performance was a major aberration.

John Randall 8 years ago

On EJ's game Tuesday, I'm neither surprised nor concerned. The games last year while TT was putting his head straight were very solid, but - 1) they weren't in MSG, 2) they weren't hyped for two months in advance.

Like coach Bill says, great learning opportunity.

Jack Wilson 8 years ago

I will comment on Taylor .. who I have followed closely now into his fourth season. Taylor will not see that he does not have to take the ball all the way to the hoop. If Self was going to force that upon him, he would have done it. Taylor has forces shots now for four plus seasons and the result is usually negative. He is not a true point guard. He does not look to pass first. His history has been to look for the shot first. So don't get your hopes up.

I've seen posters say, "well, the missed shots can get rebounded and put back by our own player." Sure, that's true. Every so often. Just as often as the ball goes the other way. Taylor plays selfishly, always has. Interestingly, I think, if he was a pass first guy .. with his speed and penetrating ability, he'd be a much better NBA prospect.

Tuskin 8 years ago

HEM - you're frustrated that Tyshawn drove all the way to the hoop time and time again? That was Self's decision, since the rest of our offense was misfiring. Taylor did what he was supposed to in this game. Once our players are good at running our set plays, we'll see Tyshawn running them just fine.

Steve Brown 8 years ago

TTaylor is hoping to become SCollins when he grows up, drive the lane and get fouled or clang off the rim to an opponent. So easy to defend when you watch the Cornell AFH tape, we got taken to school in that game. HEM spot on.

JHawk74 8 years ago

It would be nice to have another guard recruited next year but I don't think it is a top priority. We will have Tharp, Johnson, Releford, McLemore, Roberts and Garret for next year. I think the priority was to recruit someone to replace Robinson and give us more depth at the forward/center positions. It sounds like Andrew White is still being recruited. I'm sure Self is recruiting guards to replace Taylor.

Curtis Stutz 8 years ago

Glad to see a decent assessment Lark Other articles have so much negativity from KU fans. It's one game, an early game, sure KU didn't shoot well, didn't pass well and could have guarded the 3 better, but...

1) It's obvious KU has the athleticism to play with anybody, both Withey and Wesley were very solid on the defensive end which is huge for TRob not having to carry the load back there and both being able to play big time minutes.

2) KU never totally lost it's composure, guys on the court were looking to make plays, not just playing hot potato with the ball afraid to shoot it, or jacking aweful 3's in desperation to get back into the game. How many teams in the country would get absolutely throttled by UK right now? Answer, MOST, they have NBA athleticism at every position, period

3) If you don't think KU can turn around and learn from this game, continue to come together as a team and do some great things near term like win Maui and defeat OSU in the Phog, I don't even know why you'd call yourself a KU fan, that's the kind of thing I expect to hear from an ESPN writer.

That was the toughest game of the year guys, it only gets easier from here.

And to any UK fans that might read this I apologize for the misdirected hostility from KU fans, most of us can appreciate watching really good teams play, no matter what jersey they wear.

FSUJHAWK 8 years ago

Bill Self is genious (period)!

Few questions for the experts.

Will TT, TR and EJ mature?

Will TReleford wake up?

Will JW remain consistent?

Will the rest of the supporting cast improve?

Will this team listen to the master?

If the response to any of these is a no then it will be a long season but an even shorter post season.

RCJHGKU !!!

Martin Shupert 8 years ago

We have what we have. Give credit to Bill Self for loving to teach the game. We have to let Tyshawn be Tyshawn. The reason is, no matter what anyone says, he's not going to grow up while he's at KU. He's never going to change. He is what he is. He has talent to burn and he's burning it. I am no longer frustrated by him. He can contribute and he often does. He can stink up the court and he often does. Can we win without him? No. Can we win with him? Most of the time. That is just where the program is right now. We're not all that bad actually. We should be in the fight to win the conference and we should have a reasonable chance to make it to the sweet 16. This year, hope has replaced expectation. But why whine? The Hawks will be back, big time!

Bellator 8 years ago

I was at the Garden for the game and at Cornerstone Tavern for the Alumni KU pre-party. KU fans represented well in NYC and it was a great event although not the outcome we all wanted. A great first half though. The only negative was a Kenny f...ing Powers clone Kentucky fan sitting right behind me. But I kept my sense of humor.

The best part of the trip was going to the Occupy Wallstreet event on Monday the day before they closed it down.

Not trying to get political so please don't but what a fricking scene this was. I bought a paper and got a picture from a Kramerish kind of guying carrying a China flag and selling the China daily news. I donated $10 to two guys on the elevated corner of the park trying to raise money so they could go back in time and kill Sarah Conner. I took a picture of myself Tebowing by the village of tents. What a scene, it was fun.

Anyways, Rock Chalk and looking forward to watching us improve in Maui.

Robert Brock 8 years ago

I'm sorry that I didn't record the KU/UK game because it would be interesting to see what Self and Manning do to create something out of this Flotsam & Jetsam offense by the end of the season. Presently, the offense has too many problems to list (unless you are willing to stay up all night a la Jaybate).

SCHNBALL 8 years ago

What I find most disturbing about this game is that we, Kansas, had to resort to giving the ball to one guy, going one on one when the game got tough. We have seen this before from Self and crew. Yes, Yes, Yes, this is a young team, I know, but have you ever seen another major college program resort to this tactic? Yes, I know, this game will be a great teaching game from a film perspective, but I would like to see Self let them try and play through a situation even if it means getting beat by 25, to me, that lesson would be much more valuable than what we witnessed the last 8 minutes vs Kentucky.

theend 8 years ago

Don't be so focused on recruiting! Yes , it's importnat......but Self and his staff are excellent and can not only improve players dramatically.....but can make up for their weaknesses. You will see. I like our players. Give it time.

MGJayhawk 8 years ago

Recruiting = 10% sales, 90% high school kid taste and preferences. Period.

michaeluk 8 years ago

First off thats just a really immature comment about UK players and reading. You ask any Kentucky fan who there favorite player is and they mostly say Wall, Cousins or Knight. My point being that we LOVE our players no matter how long they stay and always will.

kufankam 8 years ago

with mclemore and ellis anchoring next year's class, any other addition in the top 100 makes this a homerun class.... without anyone else, it is still already a great class.

rxjayhawk 8 years ago

Not to mention Tharpe will have some experience hopefully. EJ will be back, it could be a really solid team next year.

oggerr 8 years ago

Out recruited. What does that really mean? Doesn't it all come down to wins and losses? How many conference championships have we won in last 10 years? More than all other conference teams COMBINED!! Selby was rated #1 highschool recruit, and we saw how that panned out!!

Ratings are over-rated. It is all about WINS.

UmbertoConforti 8 years ago

Ohio State will be a major test for Jeff Withey. I think he will be up to it.

Anyone who thinks recruiting isn't important doesn't pay much attention to major college BB. Why do you think Duke, UNC, UConn, Syracuse, UK, and some others are always on top? Because Coach K, Roy Williams, Jim Boeheim (or however his name is spelled), Cal, and Calhoun know how to sweet talk talent.

I think we will all find that KU has a pretty good team this year.

WHERE IS JAYBATE???????

justinryman 8 years ago

If Kentucky has 4 (Kidd-Gilchrist, Davis, Teague and Lamb) lottery picks this year and North Carolina has 4 (Henson, Zeller, Barnes and Strickland) lottery picks this year, not a lot of room for everyone else to make it in the lotto this next summer, that is if there is a draft.

I will go out on a limb here and say that Dec 3. UNC vs UK is the game of the century with all that talent on both teams.

justinryman 8 years ago

Im not saying it will be a good game at all, or the game of the century.

I was just getting all ESPNed up for it. Just like the did for the Alabama/LSU football game this year. Please don't name a game until the game has been played.

Do you think Dukie V will call this game or will that be too much of a conflict of interest?

As for other great games...WOW theres a list that needs to be made.

flyingfinn 8 years ago

I'll go out on a limb and say UNC will kick UK's ass. There is no comparison in coaching ability, Williams is head and shoulders above the used car salesman

michaeluk 8 years ago

Well your just bitter and cant beat us so you hope another team can. His coaching ability got our 6 player team to the final four last year. Self has been at Kansas what 8 years? If you dont thing Cal will win a title at UK then you are an idiot. It wont be vacated either. I would say that was going to be your reply

Woody Cragg 8 years ago

I like our players too, but HEM is right about TT, he's not a point guard. As Nadir matures, he's the guy that can facilitate an offense for a solid team. Sure, he flaked out at MSG, but most would. UK probably does have 3-4 lot picks. If Cal can't win with this group, it proves he's a joke. I stayed off the board yesterday so I wouldn't have to go through all the troll crap to read analysis. Our coaching staff will do alot with this talent, albeit not that of NC, Duke, UK. It's a process, a journey, they'll do well. And Self is right, UK should be the best team in D-1. But they won't win the NC. Too many egos & clowns. Jones is a much better bb player than a driver for sure. LOL! Continually exhibited facial expressions during game that he is "way out there". Yeah, he can jump, but can he function in the world, or go to class? Cal's bench looked really thin as he has to keep "brains" on the team for the GPA to let the lotto picks play. Shouldn't need a bench with that group. They'll bomb out earlier this yr than last. I like our kids, but the staff will earn their $ teaching this yr, but that's the way it should be. This isn't UK, it's KANSAS, we don't have a payroll! JMO

kerbyd 8 years ago

Global......Don't mean to be a jerk but please. The guy's name is Naadir. Nadir means the low point or the opposite of the zenith.

michaeluk 8 years ago

No your just bitter and cling to any form of UK hate you can throw out. Cal is far from a joke. You can think whatever you like. I did not know you could predict the future. I would not count our team out, we have a whole season to go and will only get better. Our egos and clowns were enough to bitch slap you in our second game. It does not feel to good when its done to you does it? Now you get a taste at how your teams have acted the past few years. YOUR teams were the ones with egos. Aside from your title team, you are known for early exits. Jones is a much better player than everyone on your team put together. He goes to class just like all our players. Again the only team that bombs out is you. We will be very good come the end of the year. Whats sad is we still were good enough to humiliate you in the second half. The only payroll UK players get is after they go to the NBA

Tony Bandle 8 years ago

Reality Check Time:

1] The UK game underlined the significance of the loss of the Morrii....Kansas would be a #1 preseason pick if they had stayed. Also underlines what needs to be done.

2] Shabazz Mohammed is NOT coming to Kansas. Let that idea go.

3] By Kansas standards, we are going to lose a lot of games this year [maybe 7or 8]. It's not the end of the world, it's a great program in transition.

4] With the additions of BenMac, Jamari, Zach, Perry, Landen and maybe Charles White, Kansas will have one of the best young teams in America next season.

5] Next year, it will be fun to watch Huggins [West Virginia] and Martin [KSU] coach against each other...kind of like Godzilla vs Rodan.

6] Besides every other superlative that has been applied to Bill Self, this article shows the class and dignity this man has. To truly complement a bitter rival, speaks volumes to me.

Jack Wilson 8 years ago

1) Bingo on what needs to be done. Would have been nice to at least have Kieff and Selby. We'd have kicked their a**. 2) Agreed. I'm glad. Rankings mean nothing. This guy is no better than the three-star guy MU got. His #1 ranking is just hype. Those Rivals guys must be getting paid by his agent. Give me a hard working, smart player that will be here for four years. I'd rather lose to Kentucky than recruit those top 10 players. Dang, Butler did it, didn't they? (Sorry, I have to stop this). 3) But it is the end of the world. 4) I am much less enthusiastic about Traylor/Zach/Lucas. Your point on the Morrises .. top 50 guys .. and what needs to be done, highlights that. And on Charles White .. he was a good running back. Not as good as Marcus Allen, but still could tote the rock .. not a great pro though. Isn't he a bit old to play college basketball. 5) Would that make Frank Haith "Mothra"? 6) +1. Wish he would have done that when MU announced leaving for the SEC.

REHawk 8 years ago

I have done a lot of bagging on John Calipari and his one-and-done system. But I came away from this televised game overwhelmed by the talent on this year's Wildcat team. Holy Moly! The speed and length of that undisciplined squad is simply off the charts. Our coaching staff and players deserve major credit for rattling Cal's crew and staying with them the first half. The 3rd period was ugly, but Taylor's lategame slashes provided a surge of hope and cost the oppposition foul problems. Our guys will benefit hugely from filmstudy and minutes played in this game. Toughest matchup of the regular season now behind us, with bigtime experience under our belts for top 8 players. Kevin Young was the only promising team member who saw little action Tuesday night.

texashawk10 8 years ago

There's TV timeouts at the 16, 12, 8, and 4 minute marks of each half so each game could be broken down into 10 periods per game of about 4 minutes each.

08Jayhawk 8 years ago

Going into the game I thought KU was going to win because of our experience. But, Self is right. No one on our team besides Taylor has ever been a go to starter in big games. Our inexperience showed up in the 2nd half. That being said, this Kentucky team is down right nasty. I don't think I've ever seen a team that athletic, long and talented. It would not surprise me if they go undefeated this year. As for our Hawks, I expect us to win the Maui tournament. No teams there have the talent of Kentucky, not even Duke.

On a side note, I do hope we end up landing one more player in recruiting. Whether it is White, Shabazz (long shot), or Nino Jackson (Rivals has KU as the only school "High" on his interest level). Personally I would rather have White or Nino, since Shabazz seems like a guaranteed one and done. Pair White or Jackson with the guys we have already signed and the future is looking great. Rock Chalk!

michaeluk 8 years ago

I like your comment about UK. Look your team this year is like Cal said, our team last year. We got drilled in Maui by 17. We lost 8 road games in conference but when we started clicking we really got going and got to the final four. That is the type of thing you all can def do. You all are ahead of where we were last year at this point. Its a long season and you guys will make some noise and win the Big 12 for sure. I have no doubt

FreddyinLA 8 years ago

Years playing college BBall: 5: Tehan
4: TT, Rele, JW 3: T-Rob, EJ, Wesley, Young
1: Nadaar And we still don’t know how to handle a big time environment?
Offense the second half consisted of TT driving through 4 guys and getting bailed out by the refs and the Globetrotter weave sans Meadowlark.

Ann Oneill 8 years ago

There is a difference between sitting on the bench for 3, 4 or 5 years, and actually being on the court. Didn't you see the deer in the headlights expression on every KU players' face? Hopefully Self's philosophy will change from this game as well. It would be nice to see the underclassmen get more playing time (other than mop up minutes), so they're ready to step up and play under pressure when their time comes.

RockCaCO3 8 years ago

"Thats some hard rocking dudes". Self is the coolest f'n coach around. Period. (not to mention, one of the best.)

southwindjay 8 years ago

Reality check! Just a few years ago NC was in the NIT and Duke finished 9th in the ACC.

Let's enjoy the season and watch these young men develop.

There is NOOObody any better than Self for KU and anyone who throws him under the buss is a fool.

Lonnie Snow 8 years ago

I have a couple concerns besides the lack of depth inside. 1) TR often plays O to fast and puts up bad shots. 2) who will be the go to guy when we must have that shot? If a gaurds stay hot we can beat anyone if not they will pack in down low and i think it will be really hard to win. I havent seen that low post player that can get their shot whenever.

Jack Wilson 8 years ago

You seem like a well-reasoned guy. But respectfully, have you been watching TT the last 3+ seasons? Your last paragraph was right on .. for the first two sentences.

TT is doing .. did do .. the exact same thing he has been doing throughout his entire career. This is nobody elses fault. Go back and re-watch the game on his drives. One thing that will be clear .. with guys collapsing on him, he had teammates to pass to .. nearly every time. Much like EJ's little bounce-pass on his first half penetration. But the guy thinks he has to shoot. Be prepared for more charges, turnovers, blocked shots. He'll have great flashes, for sure.

I do agree that if he can get to the line 17 times, that's a big deal. But at what cost? 3 of 13 shooting? Neglecting to create for his teammates? 2 assists by a point guard in 33 minutes (1 of which was an accident)? I would rather not have him shoot as much on the drive; rather, dish to the open guy. Draw the defender and dish. You say TT driving into the lane is a big part of our offense .. I agree. But TT needs to look to pass first. He plainly is looking to shoot first. More precisely, looks to drive it to the rim first. Which makes him even easier to stop .. if we can see it, I'm sure Calipari could on the tape, and he prepared for it (as other coaches do). But it is a lost cause. We aren't going to get that.

As you pointed out .. "he's not a true point guard." I felt that last season's team would have been unstoppable with a pass-first, create on the drive point guard. This year's team may need it even more.

DanR 8 years ago

Really good points about TRob, kD. Hopefully he'll figure out how to handle the double/triple teams and make it a positive part of the offense instead of getting frustrated... but those other guys (Releford, Johnson, Teahan) have to make themselves available. They were nowhere to be seen on some of those plays Tuesday night.

SaulGood 8 years ago

I was happy to see UK on the schedule. Of course I hoped for a win, but the best part about getting kicked in the teeth is that you learn how to avoid getting kicked in the teeth. As far as all the recruiting "talk" goes, the young guys on this team (Tharpe, Wesley, for example) will all have some real experience by soph/junior year.

I agree with those that are pointing to Ellis and McLemore joining the ranks as a means of feeling confident about winning. What I see is that all the talent we need for this season is there. From the outset, no, we don't have four guys on the bench that are battle-tested. Guess what we're doing now? We're battle-testing them against some top-tier teams! I like it. I'll take the lumps and keep rockin' the holy Chalk. Worst case scenario, in my opinion - we're going to have to do away with the Classic University of Kansas tenure/PT system and be ready to play some green guys. Who knows? By the end of the season, maybe Tyshawn will get back to his late-last-season self, and Elijah and Travis will get some confidence on D and behind the arc. Withey looked like he got a lovin' spoonful of the good life at his altitude. I think there's great things to come, and this article just confirms what I already knew - getting kicked in the teeth teaches you how not to get kicked in the teeth.

Rock Chalk!

Jason Wilson 8 years ago

I have no problems with the way TT played. If he had a couple more shots fall then we would all be raving about him dropping 30 points against 5 NBA players.

I don't think there is anyone in particular we need to be pointing fingers at, especially at this point in the year. It was a team loss.

Kristen Downing 8 years ago

There will be more losses coming up quickly unless Self lets up on his zone defense phobia and his poor second half coaching. What do you do at halftime, "dude"?! We will lose to Georgetown. I saw their toughness against China. No chance against Ohio State, they have a point guard with a brain and Long Beach State will beat us. Another althletic team from top to bottom who just beat the pants off #9 Pitt. Please Dude Self, practice the ZONE! And quit talking like a frat. boy, you're a coach.

Kristen Downing 8 years ago

There will be more losses coming up quickly unless Self lets up on his zone defense phobia and his poor second half coaching. What do you do at halftime, "dude"?! We will lose to Georgetown. I saw their toughness against China. No chance against Ohio State, they have a point guard with a brain and Long Beach State will beat us. Another althletic team from top to bottom who just beat the pants off #9 Pitt. Please Dude Self, practice the ZONE! And quit talking like a frat. boy, you're a coach.

brooksmd 8 years ago

Can always count on you to mention Brady in your posts. Kind of like the guy in the WH still blaming Bush.

jaybate 8 years ago

"UK Loss Forensics:"

In a prior post called "Loss Distillate" I made these points:

a) Thomas has lost his hops from the knee injury and so could not compete with UK's size;

b) Thomas probably won't get his hops back this season, so Self is probably not going to get to play through TRob the way he hoped to do (a la Wayne Simien);

c) Withey looked remarkably good vs. UK's big men because both he and they are long and soft players:

d) Withey finally demonstrated his remarkable gift for blocking and altering shots that Self and players have talked about this season;

e) Withey to me becomes the logical big to play through on offense, because of Thomas' loss of hops:

f) Withey is probably not suited to a back to the basket game, because he is not strong and is susceptible to being pushed off the block and pushed out of his jump shot with a defender at his back;

g) Withey mobility makes him ideally suited for coming off inside screens by Thomas, or even better by either wing, for 5-10 open looks, or, if guarded, then dishes inside, or kick outs;

h) this kind of use of Withey would turn KU into a down the middle club on offense in which only one PG should ever be on the floor at one time and the wings should be manned by our best trey shooters;

i) the above implies TT and Naadir committee the PG, while EJ and Conner should start on the wings, with TRob as a power forward that boards, screens and finishes with stick backs;

j) the above also creates an great opportunity to bring KY as the sixth man behind Conner and emphasize screening Withey open who then makes a short alley oop to KY crashing from a wing;

k) on defense, TRob guard the toughest player like Kaun did, who also lost his hops.

jaybate 8 years ago

Where Travis fits into all of this depends entirely on Travis and Self. Self has never evidenced a lot of trust in Travis until this season. And in the first big test of his career, Travis blew up, baked five pop tarts and Self gave him the hook at exactly the moment KU needed to go to a wing point drive and dish game with Travis 8 minutes into the second half...once it became apparent that Cal had successfully taken away the guards driving lanes from out front.

I don't know if Travis and Self can ever get on the same page. I look at Trav and see a difference maker, the lynchpin of the team at the 3, if he can just play under control, as he did in the first half.

Self probably sees the same thing, but he also sees the Travis that blew up in the second half and his instincts are apparently telling him not to trust Trav yet.

At the same time, I think he gave Trav the rope needed to hang himself, so that in the next game Self can justify going to KY for a lot more minutes.

Self is going to have to view Travis as he viewed TT last season if he is going to depend on him; i.e., he's going to have to accept a master baker of pop tarts. But Self seems less willing to tolerate this from Trav than from TT for some reason I do not understand. I am sure Self has a good reason, but I don't know what it is yet.

The biggest question about Travis is one I cannot answer, but one that Self probably can. Kidd-Gilchrist just ate Travis alive. He was to big and long for Travis. Travis meant someone like himself, only more so. If Kidd-Gilcrist is just fabulously better than other 3s that Travis is likely to face, then Self can stick with Travis and his growing pains. But if Kidd-Gilcrist is typical of the 3s that Travis will face, then Self has to think long and hard about going through growing panes with KY instead. I really couldn't get a fix on Kidd Gilchrist. My hunch is he was really good and Trav just had a tough draw. Still, it is troubling when your long and athletic--Travis--gets so badly punked by their long and athletic--Kidd-Gilchrist.

This is why Self gets the big bucks...to figure out who to build on--Travis or KY. I suspect he will stick with Trav, but their past relationship is so lacking in confidence that I don't know.

HawkKlaw 8 years ago

"Travis blew up, baked five pop tarts and..."

Lolllllll

Steve Brown 8 years ago

spot on, makes me appreciate B Rush when we had him if that is possible.

jaybate 8 years ago

Next, it is informative to look at the UK loss through the lens of what Cal chose to take away from KU.

First half, Cal took away Thomas Robinson, and KU capitalized effectively by taking what Cal left KU--drive and dish from the guards out front. And contrary to popular opinion, EJ was much more effective at the drive and dish in the first half than either TT, or Naadir. Why? Because EJ is long and drives long, where as TT is less long and drives quick, and Naadir is short and a step slow and drives short. UK PG Teague was short and very quick. So: TT could be a little effective against Teague in drive and dish,but Teague eroded a lot of TT's usual edge in quickness. Further, Teague was the same size as Naadir and much faster, so Naadir was ineffectual. EJ is not so quick, but his first and ensuing steps are so looooong that if he came up court in a hurry and he had success just running right past Teague. We needed more EJ in the first half and less TT and Naadir.

Why was drive and dish so effective, but feeding Thomas or Withey was not?

Answer Part A: Thomas couldn't jump well enough to get a shot off and Jeff could hold a position long enough amidst the body checking to get off a controlled shot.

Answer Part B: The drive and dish neutralized the athleticism of the two UK bigs. When they had to position to stop the driver, they were in no position to bang and block TRob and Jeff.

Next: First Ten Minutes of the Second half, Cal took away Thomas and the driving lanes out front to TT, EJ, and Naadir. Doing this left open the driving lanes from the wings. KU tried to take these driving lanes. Self tried to shift to a wing point originated drive and dish game, but Travis blew up under the pressure. And when EJ tried drive and dish from his wing, his defender just sagged off and did not respect his trey. And so EJ could not use his incredible up and down the floor speed to blow by his defender from the wing on a sagging defender. And so KU's offense sputtered to a stop.

At that point, Self seemed to throw up his hands and say, "TT just drive the ball and shoot FTs." It was there only chance. The FTs stopped the clock and creates at least a slim chance to get back in a game, in which KU had gone ice cold from outside, and Cal had taken away Thomas and the out front drive and dish game. And Travis' blow up had made them unable to exploit the wing point drive and dish.

And that's that.

Next.

HawkKlaw 8 years ago

"I thought our defense and rebounding were exceptional.”

Me too! The final score was 75-65 and it could have been much, much worse. The thing I love about Bill Self is that he always teaches defense (and "team") first, and the offense follows. Yes, our offense was godawful at MSG, but it will come as the season progresses. It does every year. By the end of the season, KU will be playing some good basketball. There will be bumps in the road and KU may even lose 6 to 8 games in the regular season. But just think about how silly it is to complain about losing 6 to 8 games...we are really spoiled here at KU. We take it for granted that Self will win the Big 12 title. We always expect to make the Final Four. We always want the most hyped recruits. We don't always get what we want.

It is really lame coming to this board and having everyone dog Bill Self. If you can't recognize the incredible contributions that he has made to KU by now, you never will. I always ask this question, and I never get a response, but who would you rather have coaching at KU??? We had Williams, and he didn't get it done. Coach K will probably never coach anywhere besides Duke. If you wish Coach Cal was here, please just disown KU now. Don't be a fairweather fan. This year is going to be a struggle...such is life.

Ian Brown 8 years ago

At least both Brady and Tyrel earned college degrees and even went on to grad school while still playing ball. Judging by your perpetually incoherent and uncontrollable verbal diarrhea, I highly doubt that you made it past your junior year of high school, so how about you back off our scholar athletes, D-bag.

brooksmd 8 years ago

See, there it is again. Morningstar.

texashawk10 8 years ago

Personally, I would love to see Releford moved to the bench and put Tharpe into the starting lineup to give KU a starting backcourt of Tharpe, EJ, and Taylor. Last season it was mostly Brady and Reed that were the PG's by initiating the offense last year. Taylor was the one bringing the ball up the court most of the time, but once he got it across the halfcourt line he deferred to either Brady or Reed. Last year's UNC team on offense was a mess with Larry Drew running the show and was instantly better when Kendall Marshall was installed as the starting PG. I think a similar move would be very beneficial to KU in the long term and would make this offense flow much smoother by having a true PG running the show instead of someone who is a natural 2 like Taylor or EJ.

As for why I would rather see Releford come off the bench instead of EJ, I think Releford is a more high energy player and would provide a spark much like T-Rob did last year and I don't think EJ is that kind of player.

jaybate 8 years ago

"Bill Self on UK Translated"

Bill Self: “If they keep getting better, they have a chance to be the best team in the country.”

Translation: I'm putting the monkey of hyped expectations on Cal's back.

Bill Self: “We’ve played two teams that would rival them from a talent standpoint — one would be Memphis, and one would be Florida.”

Translation: I'm putting the monkey of hyped expectations on Cal's back. I'm not going to mention that Memphis had seniors in CDR and Dozier and others and this UK team has three sophomores and then green wood.

Bill Self: “From a raw-talent standpoint, even the Carolina team we faced in the Final Four with (Ty) Lawson, (Wayne) Ellington, (Tyler) Hansbrough and Danny Green ... this Kentucky team may even be superior to that. That’s some hard-rocking dudes. They have a real shot (at 2012 national title).”

Translation: "I'm hyping expectations about UK to a level they cannot possibly achieve. Carolina was full of juniors and Seniors. This UK team is three sophomores and then green wood.

Bill Self: “A lot of it was because we didn’t do what we should have done to get the ball in certain areas and maybe took some bad shots. For them to block that many shots and for us to outrebound them (39-34) ... they got eight offensive rebounds and several early off long bounces. I thought our defense and rebounding were exceptional.”

Translation: We were the better team and would have beaten them on a good shooting night, but I can't say so. It would be bad form. We just got rattled, when our trey shooting plummeted to 26% and Travis panicked against Kidd-Gilchrist, who is a monster talent.

michaeluk 8 years ago

I dont care how well you shot, you all were not beating UK. We have a senior in Miller and Jones and Lamb that started for the final four team last year. It does not matter come tournament time. Its who ever plays better than the other team. Did you think VCU and Northern Iowa would beat you all?

jaybate 8 years ago

Bill Self: “They didn’t play great at all the first half, in large part because we really guarded them,” Self said. “Their best offense was our offense, which is pretty sad to say, because they scored off our offense. Bad shots led to run-outs. Turnovers led to numbers.”

Translation: We were the better team and would have beaten them on a good shooting night, but I can't say so. It would be bad form. We just got rattled, when our trey shooting plummeted to 26% and Travis panicked against Kidd-Gilchrist, who is a monster talent.

Bill Self: “This is what I think we take for granted sometimes, and I as a coach take for granted ... we had one guy (on team) who has actually had pressure on him ever before in a game. That’s Tyshawn (Taylor)..."

Translation: Come on you guys (media), you know we were the younger team. When we get some experience, we'll whip these guys. They really don't play D1 basketball. They just play AAU grab. Even with our inexperienced kids with less talent, we stayed with them on a cold shooting night until some our new guys cracked in the second half. Add 2 and 2. We shoot well, keep playing together, add some experience, and we will take them. Imagine what more experienced teams around the country like Duke and UNC and Ohio State would have done to UK tonight. They would blow UK out.

Bill Self: “He [TRob] posed for two seconds. Tyshawn got his first foul because Thomas posed. He should have been in the exact spot where Tyshawn’s man drove him and picked up the foul. He got his second foul right after that when the first one shouldn’t have occurred.”

Translation: I was gentle with TRob at the game, because it was his first time being the hunted, but between now and the Georgetown game my foot is going to stay planted in his butt and his posing days are over.

KansasComet 8 years ago

I enjoyed reading your post. We just need some game experience, and if that game experience means we got to take a few losses to get where we need to go, then so be it! Again, thanks!

jaybate 8 years ago

Thx.

And if you are the real KansasComet, I want you to know that you are my hero. As a very small boy, I saw you in Memorial Stadium before the world knew about you. I knew from the first moment I saw you carry a ball you were great. I learned from my older brother "up at college" that you marched on campus for civil rights. I knew again you were great. I saw you run through the NFL that first season, when all the hype machine said you would not last, that you could not do in the NFL what you did in college. I knew you were great and that you would. I learned about your friendship with Brian Picolo. I knew again you were great. I saw you get injured and I knew that the greatest running back who ever lived would finally have to leave the game. But I knew poetry in motion existed . I knew that you were still a great human being. I saw you at KU when you came back and went to work for the university. I knew you were great.

You were the greatest running back who ever lived. When you had personal problems, i knew you were a human being and my hero, but not perfect. And I respected you for living with dignity and being yourself and doing your best to be a credit to yourself, your school, your race and your country despite your imperfections. I have seen the great ones since Jim Brown. There have been so many great, great, great running backs. But all of the great ones were just stronger, or bigger, or faster, or smaller variations of the hard running, quick cutting, juking, give a knee and take it away runners that have dominated college and professional football. But there was only one player as elusive as you, as awesomely beautiful in motion as you, as gifted with the sixth sense of being so far into the moment that everyone around you seemed at times to be standing still as you changed directions, faked, galloped, dodged, reversed, slashed, powered and ran out of arms and anticipations of all around you at every level you played. You were the best there ever was. And any human being with eyes that truly looks at a body of tapes of you running would say the same. Your greatness was beyond numbers to quantify. Poetry in motion is the only phrase that comes close to what you did on a football field and even it is hackneyed once one really looks at the tapes of you running. But more than anything I want to thank you for showing me that an athlete did not have to check his values at the locker to be great, did not have to sit by while justice was being wrestled away from the unjust, did not have to be a color--black or white--but a human being achieving at a level so high that what he did became something that elevated everyone who witnessed it in person.

jaybate 8 years ago

After what you did on and off the field no one can ever say again that it cannot be done, that that level of beauty and integrity cannot exist on a football field and in life. You and a very few others like yourself have done through sport for America something akin to what the great Italian renaissance artists did for Italy and Europe and all of posterity. You raised a human activity to such a high level that it forever shines a light into the darkness of the future and the past. It is there reminding us all that human beings are capable of so much more than what they are mostly doing; that there is hope for humanity; that humanity cannot deny the greatness that is in it; that it is capable of achieving; that those who see the baseness of human beings and feed off that baseness are false to their cores no matter how much power and wealth they may wield to exploit the rest of us.

And if you are not the real KansasComet, well, then thank you for using his nickname and so reminding me of my respect for him.

Rock Chalk!

jaybate 8 years ago

And where in heck is 100?

He let on that he was way up their on the year counter.

Has he taken ill, departed this mortal coil, or is he just on a nice vacation?

Cien anos de solitude?

Say it ain't so.

jaybate 8 years ago

If he's dangerously ill, let him post through eye blinks translated and typed. I know him. He will post if he has even one breath left if someone will translate. If his family reads this let us know.

And if he is someone posing as an oldster, go back to posing, because he is better at posing than most of us are at being our real aliases.

Rock Chalk!

KansasComet 8 years ago

Tyshawn Taylor is the point guard for the Kansas Jayhawks. He has very good moments, and he has extremely awful moments. He is our point guard and I am behind him. One person is not the reason we lost the game. We have no idea whom the leader(s) on this team will be. As I have said in a previous post. There is nowhere for anyone to hide out on this years team. What I mean with hiding out is feeding the post to the superstars and getting credit for being a good player. Passing the ball to a superstar is not enough to win in D-1 ball. All that cannot produce will be exposed. This is the best thing that could have happened to Kansas. We live a spoiled life. The most consecutive trips to the big dance, always in the top 25, and always a celebration by other schools when we lose.

We have plenty of talent on this team, but the talent needs to gel and get some chemistry. Shooters do not need to be afraid to shoot. A good judgement of a shooter is not how well they shoot when we are ahead, but how well they shoot when the game is tight or we are behind. We need to stop looking for players to blame and stand behind Kansas now more than ever. I remember the days when Kansas was not a very good basketball team, and frankly it sucked. We cannot be number 1 every minute of everyday. Sometimes these players need us as fans to believe in them and cheer them on. Real fans rally behind their teams, not sit around and complain because everything did not go our way. Like always, Jayhawk Basketball will be just fine.

jaybate 8 years ago

hihawk, come out of the purple closet. :-)

michaeluk 8 years ago

Wow jealousy is ugly. He has been at UK two years. Elite 8 and Final Four and now his best team. I think Self was gagging from looking at all the players he tried to recruit playing at UK. You know what else must be fun for KU fans, choking in the tournament year after year after year.

jaybate 8 years ago

UKonvictuckyAllDay,

Read the Wikipedia page on Cal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calipari

Roll Call:

Marcus Camby Ethnic insult to Dan Garcia Derek Rose Robert Dozier Eric Bledsoe Enes Kanter Laurinberg Institute

What if only half of it is true on that Wikipedia page?

Next.

bradynsdad 8 years ago

Your funny. I look forward to buying a book Brandon knights mother wrote.

KansasComet 8 years ago

Until recently, Kentucky Basketball had been irrelevant. The past two years the Kentucky Basketball program has finally returned to respectability. It must have been really tough to endure the mediocre results that were Kentucky Basketball for a decade. Now that Kentucky Basketball is finally back in the conversation, some fans have turned their pent up anger towards the Kansas Jayhawk. Some have even stooped to posting negative comments on Kansas Boards in a feeble attempt to now feel good about themselves. No matter how many times people like this, who should be chatting it up with their fellow Wildcat fans try to downgrade Kansas Basketball, it just does not work. Kansas will always be the birth place and Alma Mater of Adolph Rupp and Dean Smith, and the place where Roy Williams made a name for himself. I feel good about Kansas Basketball, we still have plenty of talent and we will adjust, we always do. It makes me feel good inside to know that we are on the mind of so many, that could only wish that they had earned their way to the big dance every single year since 1990, that's over 20 straight years. No other program can say that. Good luck to Kentucky in basketball, after so many years of not being very good, I am sure they are happy to finally have a chance to win.

michaeluk 8 years ago

Are you really as a KU fan saying we are irrelevant? How many years did you all go between titles? 1952-1988. Wow. We dont have anything close to that kind of drought at UK. By the way, how many titles do you have? 3. UK 7. I think a better comment would be that KU knows UK is back getting all the KU recruits as KU declines. I mean whats pathetic is that YOU think that cause Rupp and Smith came from KU that KU is owed there success. Thats as asinine as your blatant jealousy. Feel good about KU ball. I feel great about UK ball. Cal has been at UK now 3 years and who has been the better program in that little time frame? Who has been the better program through all of college basketball? There is a reason Sargain rating had UK as the over whelming winner and KU as 4th. Thats by the numbers. The only true way to get the right answer.

KansasComet 8 years ago

My point is that in recent years, since the late 90's, Kentucky Basketball was irrelevant. In the past two years Kentucky has started winning again, and now Kentucky fans are posting on Kansas sites to feel good about themselves. Yes, Rupp and Smith are former Kansas players, you can't change that. The biggest question is why are you here? I don't need Kentucky basketball to fail for me to feel good about myself, and I would never visit a Kentucky site.

DoubleDD 8 years ago

The Sky is falling, The Sky is falling.

Did you guys think a KU victory was in the bag?? Not me I was just wandering what kind of team we would have this year. Yes UK is more talent and will have more talent as along as Cal is there pulling the strings. I mean the guy is as crooked as a 3 dollar bill. As long as young men chase money (etc) UK is the place until NCAA infractions.

KU's recruiting wasn't that bad this year, just too many players not making the grade. That's recruiting. When recruiting big time recruits, well lets just say they need a little help making the grade ( Rose). Besides that, next years class isn't looking to bad. With Ben and Ellis alone makes for some difference makers. One more thing KU has lost alot of players the last two years where potential recruits wouldn't come because of lack of playing time.

As for the game. I didn't think it was that bad. I mean think about it a UK team chalk full of lottery picks and they couldn't break 80 let alone a 100. They only thing that was missing was an answer to the the run UK had begining of the second halve. In years past KU allows had a run killer with a dunk, or a big three. Don't dispair its coming. Final thought I don't remember our 08 team chalk full of top 10 recruits. (Maybe Chalmers) Yet when they left KU they were top talents, and thats the difference between UK and KU. UK recruits top talent KU develops top talent. Don't ever forget your place in College Basketball KU fans. KU is the epic center of college basketball. We have produced some of the greatest players and coaches the game has ever seen. Hell even that crooked Cal cut is teeth here at KU. Enjoy the ride KU fans this season could be something special.

Rae Bricil 8 years ago

Well you are partially correct Chalmers was 12, Rush was 13 and Wright though not on the team in 08 was ranked 8th in that class. In addition they had Kaun ranked 34, Jackson 54, and Robinson 27. Not to mention they were all Juniors and seniors...not top top but very highly ranked and well developed.

michaeluk 8 years ago

Yeah our players chase money, NBA money thats there for the taking when they are done at UK. Cal is crooked, wah wah wah. Yeah we may not have broke 80 but is was our 2nd game and KU was never even a threat the second half. We dominated you on every phase of the second half and it was plenty enough. I am curious as to how you develop pro talent better than us? I would say that comment is so far from the truth its astounding that you even wrote it. Our players sure say we developed them fine. That is the reason they play for us. Thats why we get the recruits now. You dont and wont. Yeah you created basketball. Rupp and Smith came from there. They dont owe you nothing. They perfected basketball. There is a reason we have 7 titles and UNC has 5 and KU has 3. Its cause you must think the title is owed to you all but yet you have so few, why is that?

michaeluk 8 years ago

I most certainly did not come here to gloat. I am not like that. I came because I wanted to tell you your team was just like ours last year. I came to say you all will win the big 12. I heard alot of KU fans were freaking out and I wanted to convey that you all are better than some of you think. But when I see comments about UK it fires me up. Some comments were Like not being able to read or they dont go to class or it will be vacated. Thats just bad and yes I know this is a KU sight. The link was actually on a UK hoops page.

You have me all wrong. I respect KU basketball and UNC hoops teams and I root for you all most of the time if UK is not playing. We are the 3 best programs going right now. I came with good intentions. I really did. Most things I say is the homer in me just like you and KU. Your right I probly should have expected that to happen coming on here. So everything I said was when I was fired up and I do not believe some of the things I said. I was just talking shi*. I was truth about your team being better than you thought. Sorry KU fans if I offended you and if you want me gone then I am gone. I just like discussing hoops with people that know all about basketball and KU sight is a great way to do it.

michaeluk 8 years ago

I was not spouting hate. I just got a little fired up and I realize now the mistake I maid and apologized. The thing is I watch UK every game and I promise you they ALWAYS go all out or Cal sits them. The one and done rule is what is wrong with college basketball, not the coaches who use it. Why cant he recruit the best players that would otherwise go elsewhere? Also all the guys he has brought have been high character guys.

michaeluk 8 years ago

Another thing, why do you hate Cal? You beat him in the finals cause of free throws. The amount of hate is stupid. Go read the SI article about him and find out why people think he is the way he is and how its all lies what the media and rival fans say. I respect you post and thanks for responding. Again I came here to talk good not bad about KU.

KansasComet 8 years ago

ralster,

That was an awesome read!! I feel the same way. Thank you!!

jaybate 8 years ago

"Some Things Gary Pinkel Might Do During His Suspension for Driving Juiced"

~Get a liver transplant.

~Check into Betty Ford.

~Use Google to map the distilleries in Kentucky for when MU joins the SEC.

~Use Google to map the bars nearest to all the SEC stadiums.

~Count the broken blood vessels on his nose.

~Try out for the part of Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer in a Christmas play.

~Practice walking a white line late at night.

~Visualize egg nog without 151 Rum.

~Practice for future urine tests by peeing in his cocktail shaker.

~Practice saying, "No occifer, I hidn't dave doo much to tink!"

~Be honest with himself about having black outs.

(Note: All fiction. No malice.)

jaybate 8 years ago

Isn't it great MU is leaving the conference.

Isn't there some way to contractually prevent them from changing there minds?

Scott Smetana 8 years ago

My thoughts exactly.... Good riddance. We're unlike many who will miss the Rivalry. I will not!

Curtis Stutz 8 years ago

07/08 UNC team, 1 lotto pick @#13 Hansbrough (1 year removed from 07/08) 07/08 Memphis team, 1 lotto pick @#1 Rose This year's UK team, at least 3 projected lotto picks in K-G, Davis and Jones (and unless the age requirements change I suspect they will all be after this year)

Jaybate, you're nuts if you don't think this year's UK team is infinitely more talented than the 08 UNC team Nobody on that team was a senior 'cause they all came back in 09. Oh wait, Quentin Thomas, there's some senior leadership off the bench, the PG you could really trust to turn it over. They started 3 sophs and 2 jrs, not a bunch of juniors and seniors The athleticism is in no way comparable with UK running faster and jumping higher at every position save maybe the speed of Lawson at the point The best shot blocker on that 08 UNC team was who, Deon Thompson at 6'*8"? No FF experience from anybody prior to that year

As far as Memphis freshman PG, 2 srs and 2 jrs I think? No FF experience prior to that year

UK, 3 guys that started in the FF last season, start 3 fr and 2 sophs, 'cause the freshman are better than the Senior with FF experience. Talent?, they have it

jaybate 8 years ago

Call me nuts.

I don't think this UK team is nearly as talented as people think it is.

KU is less experienced than UK.

KU has less talent than KU has had in awhile.

KU had UK's number for a half.

KU shot 26% from trey (after three hot shooting games), or KU probably would have beaten UK.

There can be only two explanations:

a) UK is not nearly as talented as people think; or

b) KU is way more talented than people think.

Which is it?

Curtis Stutz 8 years ago

Definitely the latter in my opinion, certainly most athletic team KU has fielded since 08 Ways to go on putting it all together but Withey showed he isn't just a space filler down there, TRob has an NBA quick first step in an NBA body, TT and EJ are both quick, long guards and Releford is all athlete that just needs to get comfortable on the court. Teahan is leaner and quicker this year, Tharpe is definitely better than I anticipated as are Wesley and Young. The way Wesley was holding his ground against Jones was impressive, even if Jones hit some tough shots over him. Defensive rebounding by all the bigs was excellent as well. UK's defense certainly had a lot to do with our shooting percentages. As much as I like to think KU coulda won that game (mostly with better passing on offense not leading to so many fast break points, but also better jump shooting), there's no way of knowing how UK would've responded to a big run by KU 'cause it never came in the second half.

Scott Smetana 8 years ago

I love the way Calisleazy was blaming his players for their first half performance yelling "Freshmen!!" to the fans and media as he went into the locker room. That should have been done behind closed doors. I'd be insulted if I were of the talent of these superstud kids. If these kids were coached by a decent coach, they'd be the best team of all time. Instead, with their crappy coach, they will lose several games and bow out in the tourney like most of his teams.

I bet Izzo, coach K, and Self felt dirty being in the same building as him. I think we all know Coach Knight did.

David Howell 8 years ago

I am a pessimist by nature, but I didn't see much from Tuesday's game to be optimistic about. It looked more like a first week scrimmage instead of a team that had practiced for a month and played a few games.

I went into the game not expecting much and that's what I got. Not what I wanted deep down, but we have lost so much talent how could I ask for much more this year.

We all hate Kensucky, but until we can recruit at least half as good as Kentucky and North Carolina how can we expect to compete with them. The Big 12 as a whole isn't preparing us for the rigors of playing most top -20- ranked teams.

Kentucky IS most likely cheating in their recruiting, but until the big NCAA boys figure out how, we have to take note of some of the good things Calisleazy is doing. Not sure what they are, but top momma's and players in the high school ranks are lining up to play there each and every year. Hell, anymore it seems that half the top -100- players if not more list Kentucky as one of the their top -5- schools even though they may only have a hand-ful of scholarship openings ....................

michaeluk 8 years ago

We are not cheating. You know why players line up to play with Cal at UK? He is honest and tells recruits they have to do hard work to play. He is a great people person. He changes his offense to take advantage of the skills his players have. We have not run the dribble drive but 15 % of the time. Reason being is he went with an inside out game with Wall and Cousins. The next year he changed it to play to Knights strength. Pick and Rolls and isolation. This year we are doing a little of everything. He loves his players and they love him. He does not hold them back by running the same offense year after year with players that holds them back. They see how many players he puts in the league. Every top point guard wants to play for him. They have freedom to do what they see fit. When you have Rose, Evans, Wall, and Knight playing guard for Cal it is a ticket to the NBA. There is much more but that is a little example why.

michaeluk 8 years ago

Are you talking about the thing with Brandon Knights mom?

DoubleDD 8 years ago

Sorry michaeluk I wouldn't say putting a one and done in the NBA is developing a player. Lets be fair these one and dones wouldn't even stop at college if they could go right to the NBA. Now granted Cal offers a one stop landing for these guys that they can't resist. Now the ???,s what is he offering, or maybe what is it that somebody is offering. I find it quite strange with certain events that have taking place over these past couple years at UK. I say if there is smoke there is mostly likely a fire.

As far as coaching sorry dude don't see it. Cal isn't an X and O kinda of guy. He's more of an agent type coach. You know get the best talent and let them play their game. Not exactly teaching the game Huh. But enjoy the ride michaeluk your in a good place right now back on top of CB if you beat NC you'll really be making a statement.

michaeluk 8 years ago

That is your opinion and while I disagree I respect it. Your right that if the one and done rule werent there most of these kids would be drafted out of high school. But since the rule is there he takes these players and lets them play to there strengths and to what they are best suited for. He is offering playing on TV every single game. Playing for a basketball school that is crazy for the sport. They know they have to go to school for a year so why not go where all the other pros lately have went? Now with the X and O thing I disagree again. He took UMASS to the final four with 1 star player and a bunch of nobodys. He built that program into a power. He did not sign 1 top 25 class while he was at UMASS. So how did he do it? Coaching. Recruiting is a MAJOR thing for coaches in the NCAA. Its half the job. He took a 6 man UK team last year to the final four beating OHIO STATE and Carolina cause of his gameplan, not star players. He took two benchwarmers and got them drafted.

michaeluk 8 years ago

First off thanks for reading that and still saying I could post on here. I realized how petty and stupid I was and I appreciate that instead of talking down or bad to me that you just helped me understand where I went wrong so thank you. Ok now about the free throw thing. I totally remember what your talking about. I remember him even saying that right before the game that they would hit them when they needed to as he said all year. Then they lost cause of them and he looked like a jackass. I get that. Now with the leaving Memphis thing. Its not like he knew he was going to be called by UK for the job considering they did not call last time. I find it hard to believe that he just bolted for the exits to get away from Memphis. He did not know what the ruling was going to be and prior to the announcement of the trouble Memphis was getting into, all sides thought they had a great case for not losing there money or record in NCAA that year. Now when Cal left, there fans were hurt but most of them loved him and supported him. The main reason they were upset is the recruiting class which only had 1 person signed, Cousins. He was going to Memphis to play for Cal. Should he still have to go there against his will? No. Even Pastner said he shouldent. I understand I would have been hurt to and it would have sucked. Then when the penalty was announced 7 months later is when they all got mad. I find it funny they are always mad at Cal but never mad at D. Rose. Cal did nothing wrong. The ruling was terrible. Rose did not answer repeated letters sent to him from the NCAA about the matter cause he was done in the pros. That is who they should be mad at. Cal came to UK cause it was UK. The players came cause Cal had moved to UK. Should someone be offered an amazing job and turn it down for other peoples feelings on the matter? Def not. Memphis fans lost there coach, 1 player and the forfeited season. Thats when Cal became the scapegoat for them. Still they never mention Rose. I find it petty.

John Randall 8 years ago

Your comments about Gillespie miss the point entirely – he wasn't hired to rebuild KY in his own (or Sutton's) image. The conflict was too much for him or Kentucky to handle, so their mutual parting of the ways was a blessing for both.

michaeluk 8 years ago

I understand you still play and compete in basketball. I can certainly understand why you have the love for fundamentals and such. They makes perfect sense cause you still play and like to see those things and thats good. I also agree about Selfs ability as a defensive coach. Its pretty easy to spot for me. Did you know Cals last 6 teams have finished in the top 15 of the country all 6 of those years? About Billy G. Im also sure he is a hell of a coach. He was not ready for the non basketball things required to be the coach at UK. He quit doing all the things other than strictly basketball which cant happen here. You have to be out in the community with this job. This is more the fault of the UK hiring team. He was an alcoholic. He had the team walk out of the gym on him because of his abusive ways. Think Bobby Knight. It was every other day this stuff was happening. He insulted Jeanine Edwards of ESPN on live TV 2 times. There is so many other things that I would be here forever trying to tell you. I think he will do good at a place where the spotlight is not on you all the time. Yeah it would really suck to be a UCLA fan. That is just pathetic if you think about it. Especially with the resources blue blood school coaches have. Again thank you for writing me and telling me what I did wrong. I realize now and I just will talk hoops with you guys if that is cool. I know KU fans are the most knowledgeable with us UK fans. You all will do better than alot of people thing this year. Of this I have not doubt. God Bless

jaybate 8 years ago

michaeluk,

I used to like UK.

Before Self was hired, I actually hoped we would look into the UK coaching tree pre Pitino and find some one in it that could take KU in another direction, someone out of the Pat Riley generation maybe, or maybe someone out of Joe B. Hall's people. But none turned up.

I knew UK had had some bad stuff in the 50s, and then agains with Cliff Hagen as AD, but I thought for a time that was behind them. And I thought that UK was still as close the the original KU family tree as one could get.

And I like Cal as a coach just fine. He's Larry Brown with mousse. He knows the game. He gets a lot out of his guys. Self is right to say that very few coaches could get freshman to play as well as he does.

And one thing Cal never gets credit for is that his teams do not play XTReme Muscle like MSU, or WVU. They don't resort to cheap shooting like Coach Consonants teams do. Heck, they're not even as rough as KU has become the last two seasons. Cal is trying to play the game gracefully and with athleticism, rather than through the universal gym.

But the list of problems that have surfaced where ever he has been is just too long to trust him, as a right way kind of guy IMHO.

Cal is landing more 4 and 5stars than Coach Consonants at Duke, who is a legend, a good coach and hyped to the heavens by the media.

Cal is landing more 5 stars than Roy at UNC, who absolutely hauls them in and is building off two rings.

Cal is landing more 5 stars than anybody and he's won nothing and in fact hasn't really produced that many more great NBA players than Self, or Roy, or K, or whomever.

And Cal is doing this without a ring to his name. Without much of anything. to his name.

And it is not being at UK that is causing him to do it.

He did it at Memphis. And the Laurinberg Institute at Memphis reputedly explains how it was done there.

And other coaches at UK have not been able to do it either. Billy Clyde couldn't. The guy before Billy Clyde couldn't either. Pitino did once or twice, but there were some questions about Slick Rick along the way.

So: I can't prove Cal is cheating, but I don't see any other logical explanation than that he, or someone acting in his interest, is cheating.

His practices can't be that much easier.

His offense doesn't prepare you as well for the NBA as Self's.

He doesn't develop guys as much as the coaches at KU, Duke, and UNC.

The OADs that go to other schools perform well as often and go just as high in the draft as Cal's guys.

He doesn't win as much.

He doesn't win as many rings.

The players can't be going to UK, because of his mousse. Heck, he's stopped the mousse.

It was the same at Memphis.

It was too good to be true at Memphis.

It seems like it will be too good to be true at UK.

Shoot me.

But my momma didn't raise me to look at ducks and call them cows.

michaeluk 8 years ago

Thanks for commenting. I appreciate it. I see where your coming from. I really do. I live here in Lex and go to UK. I LOVE IT. I love our coach. Yes UK is notorious for cheating with the scandals you mentioned above and Sutton in the 80s. I wont pretend we arent known for that just as much as wins and titles. We are. The thing with Cal is he never had even 1 top 25 class at UMass but still got them to the final four to play UK. That takes coaching. He did not have a top 25 class at Memphis till 4 years before he left and only 1 was in the top 5. Derrick Rose is what really started his Major recruiting success. After that Tyreke came just because he seen what Cal did for him. Then he came to UK and things took off. Reason being UK has all the resources that an innovative guy like Cal needs. We are always on TV. He was just getting started really good recruiting right before he came to UK. So with all that hype and times it by 1000 and thats what happend when he came here. He was seen as a guy who could get players to the league. This ESPN generation has grown up with this. It is a different era today in college hoops and Cal was the pioneer. His first class at UK was only thought John Wall would be the only one and done. But we are on every game and these other players were seen all the time. Then on draft night we have 5 go in the first round. That was a 2 hour UK commercial for kids wanting to get to the league. It has snow balled into unseen territory. Now thats what all these kids wants. Thats how he gets them. He also gets them to play as a team and play defense. Watch at the end of the year how tough our D will be. All kids nowadays go for the coaches, the high profile of a school is just the bonus and the age we are in. I understand why people dont like it and I understand why people think he is cheating. He is just ahead of the curve on this. Thats all it is really. Thanks for your response again and I look forward to talking to you more

John Randall 8 years ago

Do you suppose this will be the team that gets Calipari his second trip to the final four? Or should we wait to see if 2011 and 2012 go the same way 2008 and 1996 did?

michaeluk 8 years ago

No you know just like everyone else knows he took 3 different teams to the final four. Two of them being mid majors. You can say comments like yours and thats fine. I know he took all three teams and he still gets credit for them, just and a * beside two of them. In my opinion that shows how good of a coach he is to be 1 of 2 coaches to take 3 different teams. Whether Camby took money or Rose and his ACT has no bearing on him coaching those two mid majors to the final four. So he has three. I would look for him to make it four this year. I hope youre not sitting around waiting for that to happen like alot of other bitter fans. It is a waste of time and you never no, you all might just find your team in the final four this year. I think if they improve there is no reason KU cant. This is just my observance from outside the program. God bless

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