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Monday, January 11, 2010

Keegan

Kansas’ big men didn’t play big

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Kansas falls to Volunteers

Tennessee handed top-ranked Kansas its first loss of the season on Sunday.

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2010 KU-Tennessee

— The nation’s No. 1-ranked college basketball powerhouse made seven of 27 three-point shots, committed 16 turnovers, forced just eight, and lost Sunday to a team that used six scholarship players and three walk-ons.

Such numbers, viewed in a vacuum, suggest poor guard play caused Kansas University’s 76-68 loss to Tennessee in juiced Thompson-Boling Arena, where coach Bruce Pearl’s daughter, Jacqui, belted out a memorable national anthem and the band kept the buzz percolating with lively renditions of “Rocky Top,” the school’s cool unofficial fight song.

KU’s guards didn’t play nearly as well as Tennessee’s band, but to pin it all on them would be to grant an undeserved pass to the big, talented, passive post players.

Size matters in basketball, but how big you play means more than how big you measure. The suddenly regressing Morris twins, Marcus and Markieff, for the second game in a row, resembled spectators and produced seven points and four turnovers in 38 minutes. Against Cornell, in 43 minutes, they scored five points.

Preseason All-America center Cole Aldrich dominated the boards Sunday, getting as many offensive rebounds (eight) as the entire Tennessee team. Yet, Aldrich attempted just five field goals and two free throws. Not all of the boards were right under the hoop — he picked up one near the free-throw line, chased down another in the corner — but even on the close ones, he looked first to pass.

Aldrich totaled 18 rebounds and four blocked shots, but scored just seven points. Vols center Wayne Chism, dogged by foul trouble, played only 19 minutes. Thanks to 6-foot-8 reserve Kenny Hall playing more physically than Aldrich and preventing KU’s center from establishing position, Chism wasn’t missed.

Meanwhile, Steven Pearl, Tennessee’s 6-5 junior forward on the team because his father, Bruce, is the coach, gained positioning advantage on both Morris twins, purely by putting forth more effort.

In the final eight minutes, the post players didn’t attempt a shot as Kansas played catch-up. To blame the guards for that would be to forget that the big men didn’t do enough to establish themselves as threats for the first 32 minutes.

Kansas coach Bill Self was asked what Aldrich needs to do to get more shots.

“He had the ball three or four times at two feet or one foot and didn’t shoot it,” Self said. “Obviously, he’s not aggressive. Our whole team’s not. That’s one thing we’ve been on Cole about, to catch it and go score, and certainly he’s not doing that. ... at least be an offensive presence because right now he’s not. He’s looking to pass way too much without giving himself a chance to score.”

Aldrich knows what he needs to do to become more aggressive.

“All our bigs need to continue to fight in the post,” Aldrich said. “Sometimes it gets really rough down there, and we’ve just got to keep fighting.”

Tennessee’s shorter bigs fought a lot harder than KU’s, and look what happened.

Maybe the loss will make KU realize the intangibles needed to stay on top. The road gets tougher. In league, only half the games are played at home, sweet, home. After that, none.

Comments

rockchalkAZ 4 years, 9 months ago

does anyone else think cole might not turn pro after this year? obviously everyone knows he'd be a first round pick, and could certainly use another year in college to hone his game. but i'm realistically thinking he may stick around. it seems like he's greatly underachieved considering his all-american honor.

KU_Alumn_2000 4 years, 9 months ago

I wonder if sweet Lew took a look at his head basketball coach short list after yesterday.

Coach Self - be sure to dot your i's and cross your t's. We wouldn't want to give him reason to bring in "one of his own guys".

Finally - I think cole will snap out of this period of not making the most of his abilities. Got a feeling he will get hot down the stretch...and our high low offense will become more effective.

doolindalton 4 years, 9 months ago

In order for the bigs to be effective, the guards have to have the ability and willingness to throw the ball to the post. KU guards were, for the most part, determined to attempt to win the game by themselves without getting Aldrich involved in the process. Aldrich or whoever is playing the post doesn't have to necessarily shoot be effective because if the ball goes to the post, it sets up everybody for better shots. Collins, Taylor, et. al. decided they were good enough to win the game without Cole's help and KU paid dearly for their lack of leadership and judgement.

Robert Brock 4 years, 9 months ago

The twins missed Big Man Camp. Somewhere, Mr. Whipple is smiling.

Jeff Schartz 4 years, 9 months ago

KU_Alumn_2000:

You must be the bandwagon guy, cuz you seem to think the sky is falling. You honestly think that Mr. Perkins would look elsewhere for a new coach, when the one that we have currently has had us at the top of the rankings since last May? Silly, silly child.

Ted Toulouse 4 years, 9 months ago

dooindalton - I agree. Cole "not being aggressive" would have been less maginified if he had touched the ball more. There were several times that the twins and Cole had their man fronted and the ball never went in. if Tenn. was that short-changed and short-statured then we should have pounded inside all day. Instead, the guards were feeling the pressure the walk-ons were putting on them and felt the need to try to proove they were faster. It didn't work

Viggo3003 4 years, 9 months ago

On the schedule this week........ The predictable "Players only meeting".

tdub 4 years, 9 months ago

What about the disappearing Mr. Henry? Dude is off the map right now.

yates33333 4 years, 9 months ago

Matt1958 (anonymous) says... That was embarrassing.

Yep!

Steve Brown 4 years, 9 months ago

Twins check the tape, on occasion your positioning for O bounds you were fine in fronting your man when the shot was up, yet a bit too close to the rim the ball bounced over your head to the UT fw...when the shot goes up and you have no one between you and the rim, back up butt out a half step to 'seal' the opponent, please if it's not too much trouble.

watch the tape.

FairgroveJayhawk 4 years, 9 months ago

There were many times the ball wasn't passed to the post. Even if the bigs can't hit a shot or pass the ball back out, the ball has to passed in to open things up. When they passed it in the offense flowed better. .... looked less offensive.

It will be interesting to see which big grows more than peach fuzz and rises to the challenge.

leonard 4 years, 9 months ago

What a shame....

Throw out Cole's big time rebounding...and we're out-rebounded by a bunch of gym rats.

The twins only get motivated about once every five games.

Xavier looks more and more like a good citizen model of J.R. Giddens.

We have to retreat to a zone because we can't guard the ball.

We're a great team when the ball goes in the hole...otherwise just a pretty decent team.

What a shame.

NH_JHawk 4 years, 9 months ago

Mr. Keegan,

The good news is you can go back to voting for Texas now and nobody will roast you for it, including me.

illuminatironin 4 years, 9 months ago

Five things: Self isn't going anywhwere and to even say Lew should start looking is just silly. Henry looked like a deer in headlights. Cole is scared to shoot the ball. The Morris's have forgotten how to dunk the ball. And, this team has no killer instinct!

KU_Alumn_2000 4 years, 9 months ago

Westtexjayhawk - My comment was sarcasm. No actually I don't think the sky is falling. KU basketball will be ok...and I absolutely love HCBS. Ultimately who I don't trust is Mr. Perkins...and the influence that his own personal agenda has on himself. I never would of thought Mr. Perkins would of forced the 2007 College Football Coach of the Year to resign either, but he did.

Chicago_JHawk 4 years, 9 months ago

Leonard - Watching the game yesterday, I was thinking the same thing about X. His desire to hang around the perimeter to wait for open threes is very Giddens like.

86finalfour 4 years, 9 months ago

I hate to say it but they reminded me of a 'soft' roy team....they got punched in the mouth early and except for Collins, they were weak and passive the whole game. Can you believe not one Jayhawk dunked? The silver lining is that Collins tried to take over game but yet played controlled and not sloppy like some of last year's games (ie Mass, Syracuse).

I think this game also shows that in order for this team to win it all, Xavier and the Morris twins have to play well. Just like last year, Aldrich/Collins duo won't be enough. And what is with Taylor lately? Despite a couple threes, he is a liability and he can't make a layup. Why is Self playing him so much?

What a weak defensive effort -- Self was right about these guys. They are soft, except for Collins. Let's hope this loss toughens them up and the younger guys listen to Self about defense.

Let's go Hawks! 6th Consecutive Conference Championship!

KEITHMILES05 4 years, 9 months ago

Why throw the ball to the bigs when they can't position themselves correctly and/or can't catch the ball. The bigs seem to have hands with vaseline on them.

ParisHawk 4 years, 9 months ago

So much so wrong all of a sudden.

The twins generally have good hands; compare to Darnell and Sasha as underclassmen.

Xavier takes the ball up himself, dribbles right up to his defender, then passes; same "move" every time but one. (Actually, he cheats toward the defender of the guy he's going to pass to. Read him and you could pick off that pass for a quick bucket.)

Shouldn't the high-low open up the middle? Cole could pass to someone or hit a jumper (finally).

At times, the ball stuck because a guard was trying to figure an angle to feed Cole and gave up.

Taylor and EJ: two sides of the biggest mystery. What has EJ done? Is he going to mount his fiery chariot and take off?

tarhawker 4 years, 9 months ago

Ughhh what a horrible game. Just some thoughts: 1. Coaching: Why was KU going to the zone for so long when it clearly wasn't working? 2. Coaching: KU has one of the deepest teams in the country, Tennessee only had 6 scholarship players -- so why were we not pressing the entire game and trying to wear them down? 3. Coaching: Where wsa CJ Henry? He's our best three-point shooter - shouldn't he have had at least a chance when the other guards are struggling? What is the good of having great depth if it isn't used? (By the way, although I am being critical of Bill Self in this game, I still believe he's the best in the country and wouldn't trade him for anyone). 4. The play that killed us was when they ran a screen causing Aldrich to be switched onto their point guard - who would either beat Aldrich on the dribble or pass to the center who had a clear height advantage. This is pretty basic-- shouldn't have Collins worked harder to get through those screens? Shouldn't we have an answer to the same play being run successfully over and over again? 5. Intensity: When we were up 14-6, you could just feel KU giving up as though they were thinking the game was over. Then when UT came back, we started pressing. But our defense was horrible - always a half-step late against walk-ons. It was like we didn't want to take advantage of our better athletes.

I hope that the KU team comes out of this stronger. Of course, I had hoped the Cornell game was the "teaching" game, but apparently the lesson was not learned.

Keep in mind UNC lost several last year to inferior clubs and they came back. The main game we want to win is the LAST ONE!

jayhawkinATL 4 years, 9 months ago

Cole's defense was ATROCIOUS!!! Nothing good to say about the offensive end either.

Jetson 4 years, 9 months ago

"The silver lining is that Collins tried to take over game but yet played controlled and not sloppy"

You're joking right? Pretty sure our offense does not revolve around Sherron driving into the lane 1 v 4 and throwing up garbage.

I sadly see a disturbing trend in our recent losses of the last 2 years. Any time we have a struggling offensive day, you see Sherron playing 1 on 1 ball, and forcing a lot of shots. Couple that with him having an off day shooting and high turnover day, (yesterday) and you have your recipe for a Kansas defeat. He is VERY good at putting us on his shoulders and taking over, but WHY is this needed? Tell me why we go consecutive stretches without letting our bigs even TOUCH the ball? The feeding the post line is garbage. MOVE THE FREAKING BALL, and stop dribbling so much! Start playing TEAM basketball again, and we will be fine.

Brett Arnberger 4 years, 9 months ago

I thought there were multiple opportunities to get the ball inside to Cole and The guards never wanted to give it up. The one time they got the ball inside in the 2nd half, Cole got an easy layup. Next two times down the court Bill had Cole setting screens around the 3-pt line and had one of the soft Morris brothers trying to post up with little to no effort. Where oh where have the Morris brothers gone? Must of not left Philly yet.

True conversation Wednesday after Cornell..... ring....ring....ring.... Twins: “Hello?” Self: “Hey guys…” Twins: “Yo, what up coach?” Self: “Just thought I’d let you know that we won the game against Cornell, and if you could leave Philly this Saturday and meet us in Knoxville to play Tennessee, that would be great.” Twins: “Oh snap! We missed the bus home bro…” (background – “oh man… we’s in trouble???)

Sunday evening text message from Bill:

"Marcus & 'Kief - please get your lazy rears to Lincoln this Wednesday. I understand you love Philly, but we have a few more games to play this year.....would be nice for you to show up at least once the rest of the season..... Sincerely, The Guy Who is About to Kick both your.........................................

86finalfour 4 years, 9 months ago

Paris, Speaking of the Twins having good hands...

" “My hands are small,” Marcus said. “I can’t palm the ball. I don’t know if ya’ll ever knew that, but I never palm the ball. I always cup it like that.” "

http://www.kansascity.com/166/story/1661526.html

My dad mentioned this to me last year. I always wondered why they don't dunk more. You have to wonder their potential in NBA if they're a big guy who can't palm the ball. Wow!!

86finalfour 4 years, 9 months ago

Jetson and Ambers, Coach said that Aldrich would get the ball 2,3 feet in front of the basket and couldn't even get to the foul line. What else can the guards do if Aldrich wants to pass it away. As for Collins, you have to admit that Collins has played much more controlled this year than last year-- there's an improvement there and that's my point.

Brett Arnberger 4 years, 9 months ago

I agree that Collins has played much more in control this year. No doubt. With Cole, I'm not saying he needs to shoot the ball every time he gets it. If he gets it and can't make a move, then kick it out and run the offense. Everyone knows the O flows better when we get it inside...easy layups, fouls, open shooters, etc...But you have to get him some touches to open things up and they did a poor job in finding him when he was open. I know they defended him well at times, but I feel the guards quit looking at him period.

John Sheehan 4 years, 9 months ago

Sherron is a legend - one of the greatest Jayhawks ever. But he has to not do it all himself. Beating a Cornell or a Tennessee in January by taking it on your own shoulders is not as important as sharing the ball in January and losing a couple games. We were too predictable down the stretch b/c everyone knew Sherron was going to shoot. The reason we won in '08 (go back and watch) is b/c we had a lot of guys that shared and could score. We need to develop that in a hurry. We have equally good athletes (if not better) but we rely too much on one guy.

Kristospherein 4 years, 9 months ago

I wholeheartedly disagree with the statement by the author in regards to Cole Aldrich. Did you watch the game? How many times did Sherron Collins throw it into the big man? I remember one time when Brady threw it in to him and then somebody did after that...but Sherron Collins did not throw it inside (from what I remember) at all. The high-low post offense was non-existent all game long. I blame this loss squarely on coaching. As soon as we switched to a zone, our defense stopped them at a higher frequency and at the end our full court defense was giving them issues. If we had switched out of our man-to-man, we would most likely have won the game. Chism is their only inside threat and the only reason to not play a zone...and he was in foul trouble the majority of the game. Their 3-point shooters were hot, yes, but they also were long enough to shoot over our outside defenders. We should have used the zone, as we did in the second half, to extend their shooters out further. It's difficult to game plan against walk-ons you haven't seen before...but that's what it takes from a good coach...to adjust mid-game or even mid-half and make changes that will make a difference.

Hawk1969 4 years, 9 months ago

I can name two other players who didn't play "big" yesterday...Taylor and Xavier didn't show up.

ChicagoJHawk 4 years, 9 months ago

I seriously wonder if X and Cole will be here next year. I was wondering about that a little, even before this loss, but now I think that is definitely a possibility.

I'm not buying the whole "the guards aren't feeding the ball to the big guys'. I blame a lot of it on the big guys not establishing good position, and missing layups and dunks! They definitely played soft. We are a taller, bigger team than TN and should have taken advantage of that. I agree with a lot of the other posts on here, Self should have played more of our guys. What is the point in having depth if you don't use it?? CJ & EJ definitely should have played more minutes.

Well, on a more positive note, hopefully we can learn from this & get better. Conference season here we come. Rock Chalk!

Tony Bandle 4 years, 9 months ago

Did we all watch the same game???

I find it amusing reading the multiple ninety degree opposite analysis...Guards vs bigs, Frosh/Sophs vs Veterans, Starters vs Bench, Pregame strategy vs In-game coaching....

The only true evaluation was that this was a team loss with every aspect of the Hawks underachieving, failing or failing miserably.

What if 2010 is not the year..what if Cole and X come back...what if Withey becomes a force...what if nobody transfers....what if the redshirts boost the lineup....what if Selby takes charge....maybe, just maybe Jayhawk NCAA heaven is 2011!!!!!

KU 4 years, 9 months ago

Oakville says..... "I find it amusing reading the multiple ninety degree opposite analysis...Guards vs bigs, Frosh/Sophs vs Veterans, Starters vs Bench, Pregame strategy vs In-game coaching...."

LOL!! I was just thinking the same thing, except I was thinking the views were 180 degrees apart. Half the people blame the bigs, the other half blame the guards for the lack of post offensive production.......It's funny how peoples' perceptions of the same game can be so divergent.

I'm in no way comparing this team to 2008 (I've pointed out since November this team is nowhere nearly as talented as that group), but it's comforting to remember the same type of outpouring of angst after the 2008 team had a particularly bad game against Oklahoma State.

addlime 4 years, 9 months ago

I'm with drgnslyr, I think the openings for the post passes were there. I was screaming at my tv every time a wing missed the window. Maybe the bigs could do more to make that window open longer, but it was there, and X, TT, Tyrel, and even Brady, missed it all afternoon. Of course, it doesn't help when the bigs play like scared little babies and rush little layups. The twins were pathetic with that. Like they are afraid of getting blocked from behind when they are directly next to the basket. Go up with the ball in two hands and throw it down! Don't rush some wuss ass layup like you're a 135 pound 5'8 guard! Embarassing! And I can tell right now, this team is gonna need a few more losses before they get it!

Brian Leiker 4 years, 9 months ago

I just remember all the hoopla about X being that take over guy to relieve pressure off of Cole and Sherron. Reality has set in: X is a spot up shooter. With a body like that he should back his man down to 15 and hit the turn around jumper all day. It's why his stock is dropping the fastest of all the one and dones. I expect him to be back next year. I wouldn't trade him for Lance, but I know for certain we wouldn't see him lacking in taking his man off the dribble.

illuminatironin 4 years, 9 months ago

I haven't read all of the posts yet so maybe this has been said already. But, what is the deal with us not going after people in foul trouble? No way should Chism have stayed in that game. But it wasn't just yesterday it happens all the time!

jhokfan 4 years, 9 months ago

Sherron is the only player who knows what he's doing. Take him out of the lineup and this is an average team. There is a lot to be said for upper classmen. Probably why we won it two years ago and may be the reason we don't this year.

illuminatironin 4 years, 9 months ago

Oh yeah and why is Aldrich always out guarding the freaking top of the key?!

kvskubball 4 years, 9 months ago

I said at the beginning of the year that one of the things this team needed to work on was passing...this team is a very poor passing team...often passes are just really weak, and there isn't a very good sense of timing between guards and bigs...it should be like a dance...the guards should study how the bigs get their position, usually a big develops a tempo to his positioning and that should dictate when the ball goes into him, not when the guard wants to try to chuck it in there.

The guards are looking too much for their shots and not working to get the ball in...this year, our best games have been when the ball has went into the middle and a shot goes up from there, or it is passed out and then one more pass gets a very open J.

I agree about Coach, this wasn't his best game...it was almost like he wanted the team to get beat up a bit...how many timeouts did he use? He put CJ in for a short time and when CJ didn't guard his man well on a possession, he wasn't seen again. Why the heck were we playing zone...something we rarely do...against a good outside shooting team...a poorly played zone is an invitation for the other team to shoot from the outside...a better option is what he did at the end, full court pressure, with our depth and the lack of it on the other team...that should have been a no brainer, and would have fit our talent much better than a zone that we aren't good at.

Guards settled for jump shots instead of working the offense... The Bigs weren't.... Cole is great at rebounding, but he doesn't attack the goal...

The good thing is that we have the talent to be able to get better, but we need to remember TEAM, and ditch the one-on-one bball, IMO...

cantstopthehawks 4 years, 9 months ago

All we heard all summer was all the weight lifting and conditioning the "bigs" were doing. We heard the amount of muscle weight the "Twins" put on. What has happen? There is something up with Cole. How else do you explain him regressing under coach Manning. The "Twins" seem to light up inferior foes but are scared to death when they play quality foes. Absolutely lack mental toughness. Richard Scott was maybe 6'4-6'5 but dominated but these guys are weak. But so are many basketball player at elite schools b/c they were always better, so in college they lack mental toughness. No, hold that thought--U Conn, Pitt, Wisc., Nova, Purdue, etc are tough. Even the "taint of America" Misery has toughness, but they play football on basketball court.

But I have faith in Self b/c every year he has been here his teams get better as the Big 12 season goes on. I pray this year is no different.

Bill Kackley 4 years, 9 months ago

See that tough nonconference schedule got us ready for this. lol Kidding aside maybe the powers to bee whoschedule games should worry more about helping the team by getting good opponents rather than their desire to fill the coffers

Ksjhawk9 4 years, 9 months ago

Tarhawker...I agree with your observations completely. What I still don't understand is why we wait till the game's almost over to apply full court pressure. Shouldn't we be using our depth to wear down the other team BEFORE there are only a few minutes left in the game? Maybe it's just me but this seems to happen every time we're down 3-5 points and the game is almost over. We seem to panic and try to implement defenses we don't normally play and shoot 3's without much success.

I know there are not a lot of Roy fans here, myself included, but while watching the game and seeing the lack of effort on the court, I was reminded when Roy would often sub for all the starters to send a message. Seemed to work for the most part. Just saying.....

hawk_of_ages 4 years, 9 months ago

Why do people continue to blame Self for "soft" scheduling? Have we not just played two road games against ranked teams in the last 8 days? Have we not just played 4 tournament-level teams in the last few weeks? Could Self have foreseen that UCLA, Memphis and Michigan would collapse this year?

dtownhawkfan 4 years, 9 months ago

Someone should ship the twins back to Philly. I hope I have the opportunity to eat crow later on, but they just don't seem to get it.

hawk_of_ages 4 years, 9 months ago

Ship them back to Philly after two bad games? You should eat crow right now.

Dirk Medema 4 years, 9 months ago

Let's not be too hard on the twins. They're just "laid back".

Well, not just. It's also a matter of dunking requiring extra effort, especially for little handed guys. Has anyone ever measured finger-span?

Jack Wilson 4 years, 9 months ago

On the twins, we have all seen players like this before. They won't change. They are not aggressive. It's not their nature. Rather fall away than jam.

My guess is Robinson is not cut from that cloth. Would love to find out.

FairgroveJayhawk 4 years, 9 months ago

Never measured finger-span. I did eat crow once, tasted like blackened chicken with a hint of corn.

TNJhawk 4 years, 9 months ago

Five field goals and at least two were off offensive rebounds. Seriously, how many times did he get fed down inside? Four or five at most? He had excellent position several times and Collins and TT couldn't get the ball to him over Prince and the Vol walk-ons. Collins last couple lay-up misses looked like they might have been bad alley-oop attempts but who could tell, they were such bad passes/bad shots it was difficult to tell.

Chandler James 4 years, 9 months ago

Cole is not soft. He is tearing it up on the boards and blocking shots just like last year. It just seems like he forgot how to score. Yes, some of it is on the guards play for not feeding him the ball more, but, he is not being aggressive enough on the offensive end.

Taylor has his moments. We saw that last year even through his million rookie mistakes. The problem is he is still making those rookie mistakes this year. I think the reason HCBS is giving him the minutes that he is this year is he realizes he is only a sophmore and still thinks his game can be cleaned up. I do wish though, that CJ and EJ could have gotten in on some more meaningful minutes. If Tyshawn does not start to improve as we get a couple of games into conference play it will be really hard for CS to bench him. Why i believe CJ and EJ might both be better than TT, they are still gonna be "raw" due to lack of meaningful minutes.

The twins have really dissapointed me the last couple of games. I hope it is just a slump and they come out of it.

X is only a freshmen and is playing damn well for being a freshmen. Remember how Mario, Brandon, and Julian looked during the nonconference their freshmen year?

As of right now neither X or Cole is ready for the NBA

iahawkfan 4 years, 9 months ago

drgnslyer- your words ring so true every time you post. I enjoy reading your comments and insight.

I too wonder why the absence of EJ and CJ. It is at times hard to watch TT play because of his carelessness and yet at times so fun to watch because his potential is so high when he shows his glimpses of that potential. I hope the Jayhawks show up on Wednesday to right the ship of the last two games.

RCJH

oldrocker 4 years, 9 months ago

I thought this was going to be the "new & improved" Jayhawks this year. The last two games it has looked like the same team as last year; everyone is afraid to shoot at the end of the game so they pass it to Sherron to save the day. That worked against Cornell, but not so much against Tenn. Somebody needs to step up and be willing to take a shot instead of looking for Sherron.

spittage 4 years, 9 months ago

The pre-seaon is a chance for the team to get better and get all they're lumps out. OK they had a tough lost at UT. Every college team in america has tough ones. Conference play starts tomorrow. That should be the main focus. I think they had a great pre-season. And they will come out playing harder and with more determination

actorman 4 years, 9 months ago

"The twins missed Big Man Camp. Somewhere, Mr. Whipple is smiling."

Cold!!! But funny!!!

Various thoughts:

For those of you criticizing the twins for lack of effort, remember that we were all saying the same things about DA, and he turned out to be pretty good when it counted.

For the idiot (and that's being kind) who criticized Cole's defense, are you kidding?!?!? Now if you wanted to criticize his OFFENSE, that's a different story. But he's always been much stronger on defense than offense. I'm disappointed that his offense has not improved very much. He still seems to miss a lot of the same easy shots that he's missed in the past -- which would also explain why he's often reluctant to shoot from in close. He should be making shots from that area consistently, and at this point he hasn't shown that he can do that. I think that's one of the biggest concerns about this team.

But also keep in mind that HCBS's teams have always gotten better as the year goes along, especially once the conference season started. There's no reason to believe that won't happen again this year. Despite the many problems exposed in this game, I'm still confident that KU will be doing fine when it counts in March (and April).

spittage 4 years, 9 months ago

Brock:

Marcus is not a back to the basket guy. This something new to him. His whole life he played on the wing. HCBS has him playing out of position. He 's learning how to play the big man position. I read comments on here every day and some of you make me sick to my stomach. One minute you giving praise and the next min you throw the team down the gutter. True fans will pick up the team and give them support. Anybody can judge someone by looking at the situation, but when your in that situation you see everything different.

Kokomo49 4 years, 9 months ago

On the Kentucky-Florida telecast this evening the announcers talked of how focused and intense a team has to be to go on the road and win in the SEC. All we hear about KU and their debacle at Tennessee was how they were neither. Their big men were not aggressive in the least, the team did not come to play, they were not properly prepared psychologically and they performed (...in front of a national audience on a Sunday afternoon) quite poorly. Is this team going to step into Big 12 play in the same fashion, on the road at Nebraska, without adequate focus or intensity? All the talent, all the hype, they had better be out of their Cornell-Tennessee funk by tomorrow because a loss up in Lincoln would be embarrassing.

jhawkr 4 years, 9 months ago

Three items of note ......

  1. Why can't we stop anybody from driving to the bucket ? Uncontested at times. While I am at it, why can't we defend 3-point shooters better. They hit shot after shot at times and we look on like "damn that was lucky". And that occurs most every game they play.

  2. Why can't our players drive to the bucket more ? Good things usually happen when you do. Someone doubles on you and someone becomes open or you get fouled, etc. But NO, we like to parade outside the 3-point line for that long shot.

  3. The boys have to play like they care about winning and KU's reputation. At times they appear just happy to be out there and have no cognizance of their lack of effort. We have a bench. If they aren't cutting it, sit their butts down on the bench and try to find someone else. At this point in the season attitudes and lack of effort should not be tolerated. Even if we have to lose a game to prove a point, it would be worth it in the long run.

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