cshjhawk (anonymous) says...

Mangino Says:
“They’re disciplined. They’re well-coached.. .......... They’re fundamentally sound. They don’t make a lot of mistakes. It’s typical coach Snyder work.”

To turn this on a dime:
We're not disciplined. We're not well coached..........We're not fundamentally sound. We make a lot of mistakes.

November 8, 2009 at 7:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

lethalweapons1 (anonymous) says...

It's clear that defenses have made serious strides against the spread (e.g. - OU scores 3 points this weekend). It's also clear that Mangino and his staff have not adjusted offensively. Defenses are loading up against the pass against KU. I keep reading that we have no running game. Could that be because we have no commitment to the run??? KU's coaches are way too predictible and are making it easy for defensive coordinators. Unfortunately, they are appear too stubborn to make adjustments.

November 8, 2009 at 7:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Tetonhawk (Ross Hartley) says...

For the last several years, opposing coaches and teams have always commented that KU is well disciplined and well coached and have very few holes. Not this year.

November 8, 2009 at 7:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wheatwave (anonymous) says...

I am so disappointed in this team. November is the time of the year to come together, play with heart. Look what Colorado and Baylor did -- they came together and won for their school and their fans.

November 8, 2009 at 8:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

grandpa (anonymous) says...

Something is wrong with Reesing. It is not physical. In the past 4 games he has made
many mistakes. He has fumbled the ball, threw interceptions , threw many poor passes , threw passes into the dirt, made many poor decisions. He is going to continue to do the same.Coaching , play calling decisons have also been poor.

November 8, 2009 at 8:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

red_devil (anonymous) says...

In retrospect, KU is fortunate to have beaten ISU. If they played again today, Kansas would lose. Even the games they won, they didn't look that great considering the competition. Not sure what's happened, but this season is over. No bowl game and certainly no division title. They look so bad I don't see who they are going to beat from here on out.

November 8, 2009 at 9:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wolfy (anonymous) says...

The upcoming spring season must be about football fundamentals -- tackling, footwork, pursuit angles, etc. It's clear that this year's team did not master those most basic building-block skills. Gadget plays and fancy schemes can't mask deficiencies in fundamental skill development. Mangino must revamp his assistant coaching staff. He needs help.

November 8, 2009 at 9:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Maxhawk (anonymous) says...

Reesing is making horrible decisions but it's obvious something is wrong phycially. He is short hopping throws to recievers 50 feet away.
Becasue of his physical limitations KU has had to limit their play calling to very short routes which the defenders are doping a good job of covering.
Without the threat of a downfield pass KU's offense is very predeictable and easy to defend.
KU's best chance yesterday was to go with Pick and run the entire offensive play book.
But to put Pick in against NU's great defense would be a terrible decision.

November 8, 2009 at 9:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jayhawkboogeyman (anonymous) says...

I have watched Reesing throw balls in the dirt to wide open receivers since the first game of the season. He hasn't looked good all year. Even before this allegedly injury, Reesing couldn't get the ball to a receiver while he was peeling out like he had in years before, and many deep balls have been underthrown. On the sideline routes, he has been throwing the ball 5 feet over the receiver's head all year. This is not a physical problem, though that may have increased the woes, but he has been unprepared and unfocused all year.

Even when we were beating miserably bad teams to open the year, there was never a point where anyone should have thought this team looked great. I hoped they would figure it out by this point and keep winning, but I was horribly wrong.

November 8, 2009 at 10:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

buckys1 (anonymous) says...

Explain this: Why do we continue to bring in gadget plays with our backup QB. Yesterday we handed off to him like he is a running back. I do not understand that at all. Earlier in the year when we were blowing some teams out what did this staff do with in regard to getting some players experience. They would wait till the last 3 or 4 minutes of the game and have our backup either handoff or keep it. We found out he can run. The kid was known for his passing ability coming out of HS. Other schools have allowed their freshmen QBs to play quality minutes but not here at Kansas. It has been like that for sometime. You think we are in trouble right now wait till next year.

November 8, 2009 at 10:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

namgor (anonymous) says...

Keegan - Ever think that K-State's defense could have caused Reesing to fumble the ball or for KU's offense to not score like they have in the past?

You say"K-State has improved, but Kansas lost this game more than the Wildcats won it." That's a load of BS.

K-State will just keep winning while you just call them ordinary and continue to write in red and blue hues.

November 8, 2009 at 10:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

salthawk54 (anonymous) says...

Okay, let's recognize this season is a lost cause. We aren't going to a bowl game. Why not get something out of what is left. Reesing should step up and tell the coach its time to work on the future. That would demonstrate leadership. Put Pick in for a couple of series, or more, during the Texas game. Surely no one expects us to win that one. Of course I want to beat NU and MU so I wouldn't experiment with Pick in them unless we have clearly won or lost either game, but why not give him a real game experience when we are 3 touchdowns behind TU? For that matter, why wasn't he getting more than a couple of snaps earlier in the season?

November 8, 2009 at 10:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

HawkfromHays (anonymous) says...

namgor-

KSU is the least ugliest girl in a room of 6 ugly girls. They will win one more game next week, then get beat 10-7 by Nebraska. They are not back, not yet at least. The glory days are over, sorry. Your days of dominating the North are over forever.

November 8, 2009 at 11:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

njjayhawk (anonymous) says...

This KU football edition is not very good: it was over hyped and over sold from the get-go. The telling aspect is Reesing has to play at super human levels for this team to win - and if he is off his game at all, they become a disastorous offensive team, with the KU defense not good enough to compensate.

And let's all put an end to the Reesing-is-the-best-KU-quarterback-since-since-Hadl nonsense. I never felt he is such, and I've been watching KU football since the early 1960s. Yes, John Hadl was better than Reesing - much better; as was Bobby Douglass and David Jaynes, each All-Americans. Even Frank Seuer, who played in the 1980s, was better. In addition, these 'old' guys didn't have the four game powder puff schedule at season start to inflate their legacy, as Reesing has had.

Mangino and staff have been abysmal this season, and have largely been out coahed all along the way. They have utterly failed in recruiting, preventing 'holes' in talent and skill year-to-year. Mangino's Big 12 record is bottom-of-the-barrel.

Will KU win any of its remaining three games? I doubt it; this team should not go bowling.

November 8, 2009 at 11:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

swishymcjayhawk (anonymous) says...

you hit the nail on the head, Keegan. something is definitely wrong with mangino and reesing.

November 8, 2009 at 12:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

namgor (anonymous) says...

HawkfromHays - Your name says it all - so you'd know a thing or two about ugly girls. We're just getting started. The Legend is back! Pay Heed All Who Enter The Bill! EMAW!

November 8, 2009 at 12:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

lovemyhawks (anonymous) says...

i love reesing but he is defintely NOT playing his game and has certainly lost the last 4 games for us or at least has been a HUGE part of the losses. i think we have been big time outcoached and don't understand AT ALL why opurum is not playing LOTS more..... sharp has NOT been sharp the whole season and opurum did just what he needed to yesterday but was only given the opportunity twice...... why did we not let HIM carry it again when we got to the 5 yd line???? the end of the first half and that opening drive of the 2nd half was the WHOLE game and the reason we truly lost, in my opinion. NO fumble and we take the lead 7-3 (or maybe more) into the locker room and they do NOT have the momentum to take the opening drive down in the 3rd quarter........ oh well........ no heart, no win......... we have played with no winning attitude and no true desire and each week just gets worse. i thought we could beat nebraska and mizzou but then nu gets momentum upsetting ou and my optimism goes away again. i'm a fan all the way but just don't understand what happened to such a promising season. even when we were winning, we were NOT winning strong and making the statement we should have. still i never thought it was a season we could possibly lose to the cats. maybe WE need coach snyder..... he seems to make things happen and we can't do that. reesing is in a major major heartbreaking slump and i hope he can recover but one has to wonder how and when at this point. i'm ready for the orange BALL now, rock chalk basketball!! i'll still hope for some football highlights but pretty much the lights are out for the season!!

November 8, 2009 at 12:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

FlaHawk (anonymous) says...

Coach Mangino is a deep deep doo-doo! He need to play Pick but both NU or UT would eat him alive. The tradition of the mUgames says this is not a good time either. The bottom line, is Coach Mangino has blown a whole season and with Reesing underperforming (for whatever reason) he has absolutley no experience at QB going into 2010!

THis year was bad, but next year could see a even worse KUoffense and do we believe Coach Bowen can improve the defense. Lew Memorial Stadium will be more vacant next year.

Lew how about the noise level of the KSUfans. Now this is what you need at KU! Can yuo get it down with existing staff?

go hawks!

November 8, 2009 at 1 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

HawkfromHays (anonymous) says...

namgor-

That may be true but I have also seen the difference between what girls look like at KU and what they look like at K-State...no contest, K-State girls are heifers.

As for your football team, you may be "back," if you mean back to your "tradition" of beating bad teams, not going to a BCS game, not winning a national championship, and getting beat in the Alamo Bowl, then maybe. I'd say at this point you're still a little closer to your real tradition, you know the one you had from the beginning of your program up until Bill Snyder; the losingest team in college football.

7-5 is not "back," not even back to the lame excuse for a "tradition" you think you have. By the way, it doesn't matter how bad KU is next year, there's no way you come to Lawrence and win, as evidenced by the last 3 times (including 2 humiliations).

November 8, 2009 at 1:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jhawkdan42 (anonymous) says...

Why the hell didnt they run opurum more? Is he in the doghouse, hurt? WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

November 8, 2009 at 2:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jhokfan (anonymous) says...

Namgor:

I give Snyder his due but this is the same team that lost to Louisiana Lafayette and got pummeled by Texas Tech. Congratulations on the win and no disrespect to the Wildcats but I think HawkfromHays metaphor was right on the money.

November 8, 2009 at 3:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

rastameta (anonymous) says...

njjayhawk, very well said. The spread offense allowed Reesing to have gaudy numbers, but he is no where as good as those QBs. I would even go as far to a say Chip Hilleary was better too (first team All Big 8). They all ran different offenses, more geared towards the run, but they were better QBs, better leaders, etc.

November 8, 2009 at 4:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

rastameta (anonymous) says...

When it was announced Synder was coming back, I recall a lot of people on this board saying how stupid KSU was for hiring him back, that they would continue their downslide. I said back then, that KSU would be competing for North titles within 2 or 3 years. I was wrong, it would happen within the first year.

Synder is a damn good coach, heads and shoulders above Mangino. It isn't even close.

I would love to be able to say our coach is better, but he is not. No need to insult Synder just because he coaches at KSU. Trust me, I dislike them as much as anyone, being a former player and all (I was there the last time we beat KSU before they started the streak), but I still think what he has done at KSU is amazing. KU has all types of advantages over KSU and should be better than them, yet we aren't...that is because Synder runs a better program than Mangino.

Some advantages we have over everyone in the North:

1) Best facilities (stadium needs to get rid of track and fans could be better, but I think that comes with consistent success)

2) Best campus (except for CU)

3) Close to major city with professional team and airport in Kansas City (CU has Denver)

4) Very good to great AD (I am not willing to give him great until he completes the football overhaul and makes us a winner)

The only thing NU has on us is their tradition, but they haven't had that for 10 years now so the kids that we are recruiting now did not grow up with that tradition. Game day experience is better there, but again I think that will come with KU once we are successful. It already is light years better than it was when I was there.

Because of all of these advantages, there is no reason we should not be able to get most talent in the North and always be in the top 2 in the North. Once that happens, then we can get even better talent and eventually compete with the South.

I honestly feel that we won't get there with this staff. They are good recruiters, but not great recruiters. They are good coaches, but not great coaches. They are above average, but they aren't great and I think we can and should do better.

I think an AD like Lew can and will get a very good coach, if and when he finally decides to fire Mangino. Also, if he gets a high profile name, I think he instantly brings credibility to the program and we can start having top 25 recruiting classes consistently. Also, it would be hard to find a were game day coach than Mangino, except maybe Prince or Terry Allen.

November 8, 2009 at 4:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

namgor (anonymous) says...

HawkfromHays - When KU wins a Big XII Championship in football, let alone get to the title game by winning the North then you can talk some smack until then I don't have to hear it. In regards to your comments about K-State women, I won't even go there. In other words, keep it civil. I didn't address my original remarks to you or any other responders to Mr. Keegan's commentary. I was just making a comment to Mr. Keegan about his continued bias in reporting and commentary. That's it.

Good luck to you and the Jayhawks the rest of the season.

November 8, 2009 at 6:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jhokfan (anonymous) says...

In my biased opinion, I think Keegan’s assessment is correct. Todd’s slump started against Colorado and I don’t think KSU’s defense provided anything he hasn’t already seen. Oddly enough, he performs the best when he is under the most pressure. Most of his mistakes during the last four weeks have not been due to too much defensive pressure. He has made some incredibly poor judgment calls and has not protected the ball when he runs. Freshman like mistakes he didn’t make when he was a freshman. Inexplicable.

The way the north has played this year I consider ordinary a compliment.

November 8, 2009 at 7:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ksballen (anonymous) says...

namgor- You have won the Big 12 north outright twice (the other 2 were ties) in its 13 year history and the whole shebang once. Yes it is better than KU but is it really something to call a tradition? Synder is a good coach and did amazing things at KSU. But until you are constantly good for 20-30 years with no large down periods, well I guess the hall of fame will have to continue to wait. NU is a tradition, KSU is not. KU is not even close. A tradition continues across multiple coaches and generations. The only reason KSU is even decent again is its one good coach has returned, this is not what makes a tradition. I'll leave you with this... As of September 19, 2009 Kansas State was one of only three FBS teams to have lost 600 games, joining Northwestern and Indiana. eeeemmmaaaaaawwwwww!!!!

November 8, 2009 at 7:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hawksboy88 (anonymous) says...

salthawk,
hahaha you are the dumbest KU fan alive. Yeah lets just have Reesing do that. "Hey coach, i know we have 2 very winnable games left in the season , but do you mind if I throw away the season and let Pick play QB?"

Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb

November 8, 2009 at 7:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

HawkfromHays (anonymous) says...

namgor-

Until you actually win a BCS game, win 12 games in a season, or even establish a winning series record against a Big 12 team other than Baylor, I don't have to hear it either. Tradition? Please...

November 8, 2009 at 8:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

dagger108 (anonymous) says...

EMAW - Every Man A Wanker?

November 8, 2009 at 9:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jayhawkinnebr (anonymous) says...

Hawkfromhays, grow up and stop crying like a bady. Some one needs to change your diaper, it stinks. You sound like a stupid Nebraskan up here. Are you from Nebraska? Kansas has some problems, yes but, don't try and take it out on Kansas St. you have to give them credit and Bill Synder as a coach is probably one of the best coaches around. He has taken a program that is down and started to rebuild it, yes I said rebuild. Basketball season will soon get on a roll and Kansas and Kansas St will be in a battle. Both have talented players on their teams. Hawkfromhays get a life.

November 9, 2009 at 9:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jwliddell (anonymous) says...

I've been optimistic about this season through all these tough times, but it is what it is now. We have little respect we can gain with only 3 games left, but hopefully we can. I was at the game Saturday, and one thing is for sure, and it pains me to say this, Kstate does have a great tradition going on in Manhattan with football. The atmosphere was buzzing, the stadium was packed, and the fans stuck around until the final snap. Granted, it does seem like beating KU is like winning the BCS to them, which is always fun. To me, that is respect. I had a blast regardless of the outcome. I did run into a couple of the dbag fans, the ones that after you congratulate their team, they tell you it's because KU is so bad, etc, etc... I just play that off as little man's syndrome anyway. They have a lot of heart in their team, and I think that's great! KU is on it's way, and we will get there. For now though, it's time to focus on finishing on a high note, congratulating the seniors for where they have brought the program, and moving on. No tradition is built in 3 years, but we have started strong.

Hats off to Kstate for the W.

Normally I would pull for the cats to take down MU, but there is still that crazy crazy crazy slim chance of a three way tie in the north, and that requires MU beating KState.

Rock Chalk, Jayhawks!

November 9, 2009 at 1:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

salthawk54 (anonymous) says...

Hey Hawksboy88, how did you get so smart that you think you can call someone dumb? And why is it that people like you think it is necessary to demean a fellow KU fan (assuming you are one), for suggesting a way KU might improve itself for next year? Contrary to your implication, I didn't suggest we "throw away" two winable games; only that we should recognize we aren't going to beat Texas and that it would help Pick to get some serious game experience.

Your haste to demonize someone else led you to ignore my comment--that's being kind to you. But your attitude, demonstrated by your post, is typical of too many people today, uncouth rudeness.

November 9, 2009 at 2:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

HawkfromHays (anonymous) says...

Jayhawkinnebr,

Obviously you read only one of my posts. Namgor glorified KSU's football "tradition," and I simply disagreed. I presented logical evidence and facts to support my position.

Feel free to respond when you actually have something substantive to say, you knee-jerk hack.

November 9, 2009 at 9:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

flowmaster (anonymous) says...

HawkfromHays - I really don't understand you. Sure, you guys had a 12-1 season in '07. How about the previous 15 for KSU? BCS games, 12 win seasons, and dominance in the Big 12 was the norm for KSU.

I do understand the opinions here would be exceptionally biased towards KU, but please, don't say "Until you actually win a BCS game, win 12 games in a season, or even establish a winning series record against a Big 12 team other than Baylor" unless you can make that clain yourself. You did once in the last 5 years, but will it ever happen again?

November 9, 2009 at 10:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

HawkfromHays (anonymous) says...

flowmaster,

I'm not the one claiming an illustrious tradition for my team. I know KU does not have an elite football tradition.

And just to get things straight, KU has been to as many BCS games as K-State, K-State has never won 12 games in a season, dominance is not characterized by winning only one conference title in 15 years, and while K-State was very successful for 15 years, 15 years does not a tradition make, especially in light of just how bad K-State was in the preceding 100 years.

It's true that KU only had one good season, and has only been to one BCS game. Will it ever happen again? I honestly don't know, but I don't think it's out of line to ask the same question about K-State.

I give you guys credit for 15 great years, a legendary coach (who still has it apparently), and an impressive win Saturday over a team that was more talented. But I'm sorry, I just don't see on what grounds KSU fans say they have a football tradition. Truth be told, you have a better basketball tradition than a football one when you look at the entire body of work of both programs.

November 9, 2009 at 10:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

flowmaster (anonymous) says...

HawkFromHays -

I was in no way bad mouthing KU. However it is ridiculous to say KSU has absolutely no tradition when KU is in the same boat. While KSU was the losingest team in NCAA history, KU wasn't much better with their mediocre performance for the past 100 years. KSU simply got a great coach and was able to sustain a great record for the past 20 years (minus Ron Prince's time).

It's true that KU sustains an all time winning record against KSU, as does every other team in the NCAA. What people don't understand is that is always working against them. KSU has nothing to lose in this respect, it can only get better.

Indeed KU is much more talented than KSU. But beware, Snyder had no time to recruit for this season, while that is definitely not the case for '10. Mangino said Snyder's team was "light-years" better than the team under Prince, and I suspect he'll say the same thing next year. See you in Lawrence in '10.

November 10, 2009 at 10:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

HawkfromHays (anonymous) says...

You're right, "mediocre" aptly describes the KU program in the past 100 years. However, I'd bet most KSU fans before Snyder would have loved to have a mediocre program.

November 10, 2009 at 11:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ksballen (anonymous) says...

"(minus Ron Prince's time)"

But see this is why it is not a tradition (yet at least). One good coach, one good run. A tradition would have been able to bring in a coach that was fitting of the tradition (which arguably they did). Not to mention he was hand picked by Snyder and then old balls had to come rescue the program again. Prince gave an early indication that KSU football lived and died with Snyder. Actually it is funny how many staters forget the 4-7 and 5-6 high note Snyder went out on and how many of them actually welcomed prince.

"dominance in the Big 12 was the norm for KSU"

First off this should read Big 12 North, Second off Nebraska had more North titles in that time and Colorado was about right there with the cats. Not sure if that is dominance. They contended I will give you that.

The primary fact is KSU does not have the body of work to be a tradition. They have been an up and coming program which might be a tradition one day but it could just as easily be a Cincinnati basketball program run.

November 10, 2009 at 1:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

hdhntr (anonymous) says...

little dudes fighting over who is better in a lousy division, priceless. only game that matters now is well holding serve when NU comes to town and then what happens in arrowhead. as i said before last saturday, put your money on ksu as snyder is going to take the fatman away from the buffet table and to the woodshed. course he did, knew all he had to do is not lose the game, the huge one would do that for him.

Hate to see todd's legacy ruined by a terrible sr year, dude has guts. little guy playing in a land of very fast giants.

November 10, 2009 at 2:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

flowmaster (anonymous) says...

Jesus, you guys seem to be a little sensitive when KSU is brought up! ALL I've been trying to say is KU's "tradition" is just as (or perhaps more) non-existant as KSU's. Agreed, Snyder won't be around forever, hopefully this time we find a better replacement for him. The important part is we've (hopefully) seen the valley and we're on our way back up now. As for KU, well, make you're own conclusion. I'm betting it will get worse before it gets better, though.

November 10, 2009 at 7:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

HawkfromHays (anonymous) says...

flowmaster,

I'l grant you this; you probably have the best coach and best (however annoying, overconfident, and delusional) fans in the conference. You will be competitive as long as Snyder stays, the question is whether it will continue after he leaves. That's debatable seeing as how Manhattan is not a prime destination for recruits, and any coach there will always be coaching in the shadow of Snyder. Chances are you will probably have to hit another homerun with a guy who hasn't had substantial head coaching success elsewhere. Even if you get him, who knows how long he will stay when/if his stock rises.

As for KU, even though we are a sinking ship this year, the future still looks good. The guys sitting on the bench are more highly touted recruits than the veterans playing at this point, and recruiting is looking better every year. Also, the athletic administration has finally made the commitment to have a successful football program, as evidenced by coughing up the dough to keep Mangino after '07 and make the stadium additions next year. Whether or not Mangino is the guy will probably be obvious next year, but whatever the case may be, Perkins will not allow the program to stagnate in mediocrity.

I hate to say it, but we all know how much of a business college football is today, and there's simply more cash at KU, which means retaining coaches and better facilities.

November 10, 2009 at 9:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

flowmaster (anonymous) says...

Believe me, watching the game this Saturday was much, much more enjoyable than watching the Sunflower Showdown 10 years ago. We like seeing competition, that's what rivalry (whether you consider us rivals or not) is all about.

I'm happy to see such respect for "someone from the outside" on this site, which has not always been the case elsewhere. (Go to youtube and see what fans have to say about eachother)

Good luck on the rebuilding of your program. You have good points; the money is there, the talent is there, and the location (45 mins from a major airport) is there. All things that KSU is missing (right now).

November 11, 2009 at 8:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )