Thursday, March 9, 2017


Tom Keegan: Mason, Lucas couldn’t do it all in Big 12 tourney loss

Kansas guard Frank Mason III (0) cuts to the bucket past TCU guard Desmond Bane (1) during the first half, Thursday, March 9, 2017 at Sprint Center.

Kansas guard Frank Mason III (0) cuts to the bucket past TCU guard Desmond Bane (1) during the first half, Thursday, March 9, 2017 at Sprint Center.


— The Kansas quarterfinal exit from the Big 12 basketball tournament Thursday underscored the importance of freshman Josh Jackson staying out of foul trouble and parking lots.

Without Jackson, Lagerald Vick, an energizing sixth man, became a not-ready-for-35-minutes starter and Kansas lost to TCU, 85-82, Thursday in Sprint Center. No Jackson means no help to speak of for Landen Lucas on the boards and on the interior defensively.

Other than that, the only race it ought to affect is the one for the various awards for college basketball’s national player of the year and anyone who watched the game would agree that Frank Mason only helped himself in that regard. No. 1 seed? No credible argument for Kansas having lost that.

Mason again was spectacular in rallying Kansas back from another deficit and TCU answered way too many of his twisting-and-turning drives for buckets and pull-up 3-pointers with points of their own. For all Mason’s basketball gifts and unassailable will, at 5-foot-11 he’s not equipped to defend in the paint and the Horned Frogs had too easy a time piling on the points with easy buckets. They shot .532 from inside the 3-point semi-circle and that was the difference.

Even at that, Mason still nearly rallied the Jayhawks all the way into the semifinals. He scored 16 of his game-high 29 points in the second half and finished with six assists and soared for three defensive rebounds.

It wasn’t enough because TCU went on a 33-10 tear that started with 3:35 left in the first half and became an 11-point lead with 13:57 left in the game.

Then Mason went to work. He set up Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk beautifully for a 3-pointer, made one of his own while getting fouled, and sank the free throw and hit another 3-pointer and in a three-minute span. He had a huge hand in making that 11-point deficit a one-point one.

Mason put Kansas back on top, 71-70, with 6:45 left and drove for another bucket that put KU up four points with 2:18 left. Looking to give Kansas a six-point lead, Mason spotted Vick open underneath and threw a lob in his direction. Vick didn’t react to it and it sailed out of bounds with 1:37 remaining.

“I saw Lagerald going back door,” Mason said. “His man was kind of ball-watching. I think I threw it too high. If it was a little lower, it would have been a dunk for Lagerald.”

Vick said the pass was “probably a little too high.”

We’ll never know because Vick didn’t jump for it.

“I thought Lagerald was wide open,” Kansas coach Bill Self said. “I think he threw it too high, or Lagerald thought it was too high, but I thought he was wide open.… I was disappointed Lagerald didn’t jump.”

Every time he was asked about the play in the locker room, Mason put the blame squarely on himself, so he had as good a post-game as he did a game in saying precisely what a senior leader should say.

“I made that play and they came back down and cut it down to two and they got momentum from that play,” Mason said.

A little later, Mason said, “We had a lot of games where we were down almost double figures and somehow we came back from those deficits, and tonight we couldn’t make it happen. We were up late in the game and I had a bad turnover, which led to like a three-or-four-point swing. And they just made plays from there.”

Noble of Mason to fall on the sword like that, but the truth is Mason and Lucas would have been the primary reasons Kansas won the game. They had nothing to do with why they lost it.

By the Numbers: TCU 85, Kansas 82

By the Numbers: TCU 85, Kansas 82

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Len Shaffer 5 years, 5 months ago

"No. 1 seed? No credible argument for Kansas having lost that."

But how's that possible??? According to the many "sky is falling" respondents to another article, not only is KU now GUARANTEED to lose it's 1 seed, but it will have to participate in one of the play-in games just to have a CHANCE at making the tournament!

And not only that, but they won't get to play in either Tulsa or Kansas City. In fact, word has it (according to those folks) that they're going to have to go all the way to Siberia to play!

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 5 months ago

NOT GUARANTEED but now the fate of KU is in the hands of others. THAT is what KU lost.

How many times have we've seen the selection committee screw deserving teams?

" respondents to another article, not only is KU now GUARANTEED to lose it's 1 seed, but it will have to participate in one of the play-in games just to have a CHANCE at making the tournament!"

Can you backup that statement?

Robert Brock 5 years, 5 months ago

A slight exaggeration there, Len. KU probably lost out on a one-seed due to face-planting as early as possible in the conference tournament. Probably going to settle for a two-seed. KU can overcome any setbacks if Josh Jackson would just grow up a wee bit.

Dirk Medema 5 years, 5 months ago

You haven't been watching the selection process for long if you think KU lost the top seed for a #2 because they lost a game played without their top player. The discussions happen often, though usually related to injuries and not traffic/parking problems. If the player is expected to return, then the team is seeded as if he never left. If he isn't expected to return, the seeding will drop a little. Josh is coming back. They might not be the overall #1, but they'll still be a 1 unless the next 4 teams all just obliterate the rest of the teams in their conference - It's not happening.

Tom Jones 5 years, 5 months ago They won the Big 12 by four games and are ranked #1 in the country. They're a one seed.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 5 months ago

Are you seriously this out of touch with the selection process? There is NOTHING the #1 team in the country could do in the final weekend to lose out on a #1 seed entirely, short of their plane falling out of the sky.

Can they lose the #1 overall and be the 2nd or 3rd or 4th best 1 seed? Sure, but that's not a 2 seed.

Kit Duncan 5 years, 5 months ago

The pass was so high Lagerald might have pulled a muscle leaping for it. It looked like it might have sailed high and behind him and, knowing he couldn't possibly catch it, he didn't even try.

Disappointing loss, but not devastating as some seem to suggest. The rest and recuperation as well as not having to possibly play two more grueling games in two days, should help the Jayhawks get back on track. Coach Self may actually be breathing a sigh of relief, but I guarantee you he won't go easy on his team, having lost to an eight seed.

Dirk Medema 5 years, 5 months ago

Might have pulled a muscle, because that happens often times when they try to jump really high.

The sad thing is that he didn't try. That little bit of mindset/effort can be the difference in any of these games. We haven't heard Coach speak recently about making every possession count. Frank was a good leader in standing up for a bad play on his part, but it wouldn't be hard to find plays that each player didn't make that are extra effort plays. Everyone's effort needs to step in the post-season if the season is going to end with a W. The alternative is to leave with the "I should have tried harder" award.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 5 months ago

Did you guys watch the game? Why is everyone (including the author) saying Vick didn't jump for it? He absolutely did, I even hit rewind to watch it again because he nearly hit his head on the rim. He didn't put his arms up to try to reach for it/catch it but he absolutely jumped over 3 feet off the ground while "not jumping for it".

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 5 months ago

Photo evidence that he jumped and his head is a few inches from the rim, a far cry from not jumping/trying:

Harlan Hobbs 5 years, 5 months ago

Come Sunday, you will be proven right, Dirk.

Examine the facts. KU was probably the #1 overall seed going into the TCU game, had the #1 RPI, won the conference by 4 games, and has the most wins against Top 50 competition, including wins at Kentucky, Baylor, and on a neutral court against Duke. Then, throw in the absence of Josh Jackson and the fact that TCU played an excellent game, and I think that the conclusions are obvious.

Finally, as for the attempted "alley oop" to Lagerald, the pass was clearly too high, and the replays will confirm that. I'll be surprised if Coach Self doesn't state that once he has seen the replays. But, in the end, it doesn't matter. You don't win or lose on one play, and if you believe that they did, what play would you choose? My count is already up to at least a half dozen or more.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 5 months ago

The TCU win moved them up into the BPI top 50, giving Kansas another two quality wins for the season. Our 14-3 Quality W-L is the best as is our SOR. I never think any loss is good but when Graham went down my thought was...'If we lost him in a meaningless game...'. Clearly we can not depend on Bragg and Lightfoot for anything.

I'm not so sure that alley oop pass was too high. I watched it several times and it looked more like Vick mis-timed the jump and took a bad angle to the basket. Even if Vick did not jump, he could have gotten the ball! The ball did not land out of bounds by all that much. He gave a very poor effort on a critical play.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 5 months ago

A meaningless game? The BIG12 Tournament is harder to win than the regular season title. Losing in the first round is far from meaningless.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 5 months ago

Since when did meaningless mean easier? Regardless of whether I agree with Suzi or not, just because it's harder to win doesn't mean it's not meaningless.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 5 months ago

It's just as meaningless as winning the Big 12 Conference Championship.

Barry Weiss 5 years, 5 months ago

not only was it too high, more importantly, it was a rocket, a lot of steam on that ball. I don't think Josh could have even handled it. Hey, it was just one play, no big deal.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 5 months ago

Mason's pass was perfect! Right on the rim. Vick gave a very poor effort on the play.

Barry Weiss 5 years, 5 months ago

I beg to differ, Vick DID jump, it was not the best of passes, needed more air under it.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 5 months ago

Yeah, look at this poor effort, his head isn't even above the rim! Vick didn't even "jump" more than 3 feet off the ground:

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 5 months ago

You missed when the ball came through. Vick mis-timed his jump. He didn't jump early enough. Look at my shot. If you widen it out, you can see the ball at the rim and Vick's hand isn't even up to the rim yet.

It's a timing thing that Mason has been able to pull off with Wiggins/Oubre/Selden/Jackson but Vick isn't in that league, although he has made similar plays several times this season.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 5 months ago

Your picture shows nothing worthwhile. Who cares what's happening after the ball is behind the backboard?

You can slow down your jump attempt but you can't speed it up. Mason's pass was too "hot" (not enough arch) and didn't give Vick sufficient time to get close enough to the rim/ball. This is also complicated because there are multiple guys between Mason and Vick, obstructing Vick's ability to see when/if Frank is throwing it.

Furthermore, none of that matters because the pass was nearly 12' in the air when it passed the rim. WAY too high to catch it unless you're a 6'8"+ guy with long arms with a 40"+ vertical leap.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how jumping over 3' in the air is "poor effort".

Also, you honestly think Selden could get higher than Vick? That is absolutely ridiculous. Not only are Vick's arms longer but he's also a better jumper. Selden missed TONS of dunks in his career because he couldn't get up as high as he needed to. He had one good (great) dunk at KU, an all-time great, but he does NOT get higher than Vick.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 5 months ago

I would say the pass was 10.5' - 11' up there. Even if it was 12', Vick needs to give a better effort, especially in that situation. Looking at my picture when the ball passes the backboard gives a great idea of the decent of the ball. Even is Vick could not make the dunk, he needs to save the ball, which he never gave much of a effort to do.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 5 months ago

Suzi, the top line of the square is 18" above the rim. This isn't a guess, this is fact (see link below). My picture shows the middle of the ball at least even with the line, (actually higher when camera angle is factored into it), and you can't catch the ball at that velocity without getting your fingers at least to the mid point (preferably well above the mid point).

You can't save a ball that's 12' in the air and you can't save it when it's 5 feet behind you and behind the backboard by the time it is low enough to actually save it. You also can't ask someone to both attempt to dunk it, and to save it. Those two things require entirely different running/jumping trajectories.

Barry Weiss 5 years, 5 months ago

Susi is lost on this one, unless she is just joking with us.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 5 months ago

This is taken a fraction of a second before your picture. Vick is still on the way up as the ball is past him. You can find the ball, which looks like a smudge even with and just clearing the corner of the backboard.

Mason made a good pass. Vick just did not time his jump early enough or explode off the ground quick enough.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 5 months ago

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen someone try to argue. Seriously, unbelievable. Vick has made multiple amazing catches for dunks this year and you think that he suddenly just decided he wasn't going to try to make another one?

The ball is BEHIND the backboard in your new picture and it's still above the rim, even with the camera being above the ball and therefore making it look lower than it is.

Furthermore, for the ball to not hit the backboard, it has to be OVER 36" from the center of the rim, so you are saying Vick needed to jump, catch the ball at that height the peak of his jump while over 3 feet from the rim, and still have sufficient height to jam it?

How about instead of expecting rainbow sparkles to fall out of Vick's butt, you instead just ask Frank to throw a better pass and none of this magic needs to happen?

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 5 months ago

C'mon ... I'm saying Vick needs to make a better effort. It looked to me he mis-timed his jump. Regardless, even if he could not make the dunk, he needs to make an effort to save the ball. The look on Mason's face after the play, shaking his head is subject to interpretation.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 5 months ago

Is it miss-timed or poor effort? Effort means he didn't try hard enough which would be proven by him not running towards the goal, or not jumping high. He both ran towards the goal, and jumped over 3' high.

There are two people to blame if it's a timing issue, not one, and 4 total factors involved. Frank controls the velocity and height of the ball, Vick controls the velocity of his body, the goal's location controls Vick's jumping point. If any of these are off, it's a missed dunk. Vick only controls 1 of the 4 factors, Mason controls 2, one is a stationary control (the goal location).

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 5 months ago

Take a look at the ball at the rim level. That pass from Mason was good. A really poor effort by Vick.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 5 months ago

That was a "perfect past"? Poor effort at revisionist history. Wilt would have missed that pass.

Really surprised that you would try to put that on Vick Suzi.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 5 months ago

Good pass by Mason. Look where the ball passes the rim.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 5 months ago

OK, here it is as it passes the rim, middle of the ball roughly 11'6" above the ground as that's the height of the top line of the square on the backboard (the angle of the camera means the ball was probably actually closer to 12' off the ground), either measurement is higher than most players are able to catch the ball. A properly thrown pass would have put the ball at rim level, or a few inches above it, and about a foot to the right of the rim.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 5 months ago

Look at this frame. You can see how rapidly the ball came down and Vick is still getting up. Vick was late mis-timing his jump.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 5 months ago

Yeah, look at that ball behind the backboard and over 3 feet right of the rim and it's still above rim height. He probably should have caught it, jumped OVER the backboard, and dunked it on the way back down. You're not winning this one. You putting the blame on Vick here is FALSE. I wanted to be civil here but you're doubling down on these "alternative facts" is ridiculous.

How many alley-oops have you thrown Suzi? How many have you caught? How many times have you jumped more than even 20" in the air, let alone twice that? You clearly don't have a clue how this works.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 5 months ago

I've thrown literally hundreds of alley-opps but that's not the point. This can be civil. I believe Vick could have made the play. In any event, he should have made more of an effort. We be it.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 5 months ago

It looks like Vick could have swatted the Phillips 66 sign.

Barry Weiss 5 years, 5 months ago

ok, I get it, you are joking. True, one would have to be smoking some serious hashish oil to think Vick did not go up for it. When a player knows he can't get it, they do exactly what Vick did. Pontificating over whether a player went up 28 inches or 36 is indeed laughable.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 5 months ago

Great post Harlan

"the attempted "alley oop" to Lagerald, the pass was clearly too high"

Clearly to about 99% of those who watched but there are a few that attempt to blame Vick. I personally feel that Svi's careless and lazy ballhandling is what ultimately lost the game but there is plenty blame to be passed around such as Bragg's pathetic shots late in the game, missed FTs, etc.

Harlan Hobbs 5 years, 5 months ago

and I won't specify my list out of respect for the individuals who tried but who came up short.

Jim Stauffer 5 years, 5 months ago

One cannot deny the accomplishment of this team as to who it has beaten and where. But it is just as obvious the actual power of this team is more like a Prius than a Porsche. There is so little margin for error. So many areas other teams are superior. The only thing we are best at is chemistry and attitude. Those two should get us to the Sweet Sixteen, but once there we will be facing teams with more power than we have.

Steve Corder 5 years, 5 months ago

Maybe so, but I recall the 1988 final where OU clearly had the talent advantage, and no one gave them a chance.

Harlan Hobbs 5 years, 5 months ago

We shall see, Jim. I like our chances, provided we don't let this one loss ruin the season and lead to finger pointing.

Tracey Graham 5 years, 5 months ago

Kansas' record has masked the fact that this is probably the worst defensive team that Bill Self has had since he's been the coach here, and one of its weakest rebounding ones, as well. It's one thing to not have the athletic ability to be a rim protector, a la Jeff Withey or Joel nEmbiid. it's another to lack the basic fundamentals of blocking out. How many times this season as the other team outrebounded KU overall and/or grabbed 15+ offensive boards? That's unacceptable, because that is a lack of hustle and technique as much as it is a lack of size or athleticism.

As for Mason not being supposed to defend in the paint, while that'ss true, he and the other guards are supposed to not let their man drive by them to get into the paint to begin with. And yesterday, anyway, the perimeter defense was awful pretty much the entire game. So, I'm sorry, I love Frank, but he has to take some of the blame for that, just like Devonte', Lagarald and Svi have to. Again, this is something that has happened all season. When they want to, they have generally been able to clamp down defensively, but for long stretches of games, they give up wide open shots, don't get back in transition, etc. I believe part of the problem is exhaustion -- Mason and Graham in particular play way too many minutes. I don't care how young or healthy or athletic you are, playing 36 to 38 minutes game after game is going to take a toll. Did Mason ever come out of yesterday's game? Because if he did, it wasn't for more thaan a minute or so.

The minutes issue is the main reason I'm not super upset about yesterday's loss. Now they have a week to try and rest up and get healthy. They also have a week to try and figure out how to do a better job of keeping opponents out of the paint and off the glass. The sky isn't falling, like some might think, but neither should we expect the Jayhawks to just bounce back and make a deep run through the NCAA Tourney if they play like they done far too often this season. If they fall behind any NCAA Tournament team by 8+ points in the second half, they are going to have a struggle coming back to win. And to keep doing it game after game is unrealistic. In the end, This team is hard to predict - I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up winning the NCAA Championship, but neither would I be surprised if they lost in the 2nd round. Of course, I can say the same thing about all of the other teams who are considered the ones with the best shot of winning the title -- Gonzaga is the only one of the bunch that has been truly consistent the entire year, but because of their weak conference, we still don't know if they can beat a bunch of Top 25 teams in a row.

The next few weeks should be fun to wtch. Hopefully the Jayhawks are there at the end. #rockchalk

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 5 months ago

I agree Tracy but to be fair, nobody could have predicted the loss of Udoka or the inability of Bragg to perform anywhere near the level indicated by his recruiting grades.

Still, a well written and thoughtful post.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 5 months ago

Lets not forget that this is also the best offensive team that Bill Self has ever had. That goes a long ways towards masking defensive deficiencies as well. Having a top 5 offensive team, and a top 5 defensive team isn't likely to happen, especially when the team has limited depth and therefore can't give 100% on both ends of the floor all game. They've proven time and time again than their defense gets much better at the ends of games, indicating that they "can" be better defensively when not trying to preserve energy to make it to the end of the game.

I'm not saying this is the perfect way to play but the team has done what it has to do and the record indicates it's worked quite well.

Tony Bandle 5 years, 5 months ago

I can't believe Jay Scott hasn't chimed in with his amusing Chicken Little comments. Either he must have been kidnapped by a band of gypsies or is tied up in Joe Ross's basement. :)

RJ King 5 years, 5 months ago

Well, though I appreciate JS's takes on basketball, I kind of like it when a poster disappears and then return. Makes the site less monotonous.

The other thing is that hardly any of us know each other apart from our cyber lives. People sometimes face serious kid, job, health, parent, financial or other issues that we know nothing about. Wanting the best for all Jayhawk Nation.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 5 months ago

His fingers would have been bleeding 3 or 4 articles ago, no way he'd be able to keep up with all of this idiocy.

Tracey Graham 5 years, 5 months ago

As of this morning, Joe Lunardi (ESPN) still has Kansas as the #1 seed in the Midwest Region, playing in Tulsa. Since he also already has UNC and Villanova (along with Gonzaga) as #1 seeds, I think that what happens in the Pac-12 Tournament will be what determines whether KU stays as a #1 seed or drops to the #2 line.

Lunardi also still has Baylor as a #2 seed. I think that's less likely to be the case when the bracket gets revealed on Sunday. The other current #2 seeds on his bracket are Louisville (who has already lost in ACC Tourney), Oregon and Kentucky. Oregon is probably the only one of those teams that has a case for being a #1 seed (as does UCLA, who is still stuck as a #3 seed on Lunardi's bracket)

Tom Jones 5 years, 5 months ago

KU dropping to a 2 seed with their resume would be insanity.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 5 months ago

I say this so many times it's frustrating.

Joe Lunardi has ZERO say in how the brackets are filled or who the four #1 seeds are.

Bryan Mohr 5 years, 5 months ago

This year's team is bad at defense, and Bill Self should have adjusted with some zone as a result. I don't understand. Sometimes it seems like Self has the attitude that playing zone is admitting defeat. Or he thinks it's better for his team to lose with man-to-man to teach them a lesson. It's the one - probably only - glaring shortcoming of Self. Obviously no one knows if zone would have produced a different result. It seemed obvious to me. Bad bench play and down a starter, use some zone to give the starters extended playing time and reduce on fouls. It's very debatable, but benching Jackson for a fender-bender at this point in the season seems more damaging than good. I say that because seniors Mason and Lucas seem more important than proving a point about a fender-bender to a one-and-done player. Mason and Lucas, program players who've worked for 4 and 5 years, now miss out on a potential Big12 tourney championship and potential loss of #1 overall seed.

Len Shaffer 5 years, 5 months ago

It wasn't about "a fender-bender." It was about THREE citations and not telling Self about any of them. And it was the second time that Josh had gotten in trouble.

If Self HADN'T suspended him, it would have sent a terrible message to the team that if you're a good player, you can get away with anything. On top of that, as Tony Bandle pointed out elsewhere, no one is feeling worse about the loss to TCU than Josh, and he should come out with a vengeance in the Madness.

It was absolutely the right thing for Self to do.

Bryan Mohr 5 years, 5 months ago

You make it sound like THREE (all caps) was somehow not a single fender-bender. “Duty upon striking an unattended vehicle, inattentive driving and improper backing” are from a single ticket from a fender-bender. Maybe it was in the team's official rules, and Self had no choice. The team already knows that Self won't let anyone get away with things just because they're good. It wasn't a malicious or self-destructive behavior such as physical assault, sexual assault, vandalism, theft, or serious drug abuse. It was an accident that's extremely common. Yeah, Jackson should have told Self. Still seems petty to me. What's done is done. Big12 tourney memories of a lifetime down the toilet for Mason, Lucas, and Self's own son because of an unreported fender-bender. Lame.

5 years, 5 months ago

All the guys that played today already have a Championship ring, so nothing lost really, apart from pride and one in the loss column. RCJH

John Brazelton 5 years, 5 months ago

In the tournament, you line-up and play the team across from you. If you win, you advance. If you lose, you go home. A very simple process.

Tom Jones 5 years, 5 months ago

I always wondered how these worked.

Thanks, John!

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 5 months ago

Which is why the Conference Tournament is harder to win. It is why mid-major teams that won their reg. season conference title misses out on the NCAA because the Conference Tournament winner gets the automatic bid.

The conference tournaments more closely resemble the NCAA. It's win and move on.

Tom Jones 5 years, 4 months ago

Harder to win than what?

The NCAA Tournament and the conference regular season championship are both wrong answers. ;)

Noel Backwards 5 years, 5 months ago

I agree with a lot of the points about the defense, but if you really watch the team. They lock in 110% on defense in crunch time or "game point". With the lack of depth and amount of minutes our 3-4 main guys have to play, It's unrealistic to expect them to play all out on every defensive possession throughout the game. HCBS understands this and has adapted to this team in that regard as he has in a lot of ways. I honestly don't think we have seen this teams best defensive performance yet. Offensively I think we have hit our ceiling, but now with the season on the line every game I think the guys know it's time to really lock in defensively. The top players on all teams will be matching our guys' minutes total now and won't be way fresher then our guys like they have been so often at the ends of games. The team will understand that and will be better defensively because of it. We can score enough points to beat anyone, any game as showcased yesterday with JJ's 17 on the bench and Devonte only making 2 shots.

As far as 1 seeds go, we'll be fine. The Big 12 was the toughest conference statistically and this team won it by 4 games. No way we go from #1 overall to the #2 line after one loss without the 2nd leading scorer on the team. Anybody that thinks so doesn't know a lot about the selection process.

Len Shaffer 5 years, 5 months ago

Well said, Noel.

I would also add that with the extended timeouts in the tournament, that will help KU's regulars be fresher at the ends of games.

Kent Richardson 5 years, 5 months ago

Probably will keep a #1 seed but maybe not #1 overall. Will keep the Tulsa/KC connection but maybe we will get a stronger #8/9 second round matchup and a stronger #4 seed in a Sweet 16 game and maybe a stronger #2 seed if we get to a regional final.

Benny Armstrong 5 years, 5 months ago

Completely agree. Probably lose the #1 overall (if that was even being considered), and maybe get a tougher set of seeds in the bracket, but we will still be the 1 in the MW come Sunday. Losing by 3 to a desperate team playing for a bid without your best/second best player won't erase beating Duke and Kentucky or winning the toughest ranked conference by 4 games.

Olympia Wilson 5 years, 5 months ago

Is anyone at the LJW going to let us know what is going on with what the STAR is reporting on the Josh Jackson " Bribery" issue? Matt, Tom anybody trustworthy?

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 5 months ago

Where and how in the world do you get 'bribery'? That is the dumbest possible interpretation ANYONE can come to...and the KC Star seems to imply your conclusion! The terms proposed by Jackson and his attorney are basic to any kind of responsible settlement. It would be malpractice on the part of Jackson's lawyer to not secure such scope if a settlement was reached. The Star is off the rail with its reporting of half-truths and nutty innuendos with crazy conclusions.

Chris DeWeese 5 years, 5 months ago

Agreed. This is how both parties settle out of court. Either the girl's father is a moron, or the Star is desperate for clicks.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 5 months ago

Olympia seems to be correct.

Father of KU women’s player: Attorney in Josh Jackson case ‘wanted to pay to make it all go away’

Read more here:

From Bleacher Report:


Tony Bandle 5 years, 5 months ago

Do not worry about where KU is going to play. The NCAA is consistent about ONE thing and that is making MONEY. KU will put a hell of a lot of fannies in seats in Tulsa and KC.

Just ask the Big 12 how they feel about the fact that that KU is back in Lawrence and there are still two rounds of basketball at the Sprint Center!!

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 5 months ago

Seems East Coast bias trumps all other reasoning.

I hope you have it right Tony.

Adam Bengtson 5 years, 5 months ago

Can I get feedback on something I have noticed trending past 5-6 years at Big 12 Tourney and NCAA Tournament games. I am not one who attends these games, rather I watch them on TV, but I will use UK as an example. These neutral court games I feel like Kansas fans sit on their ass. I see UK fans absolutely turn the gym into home court advantage, but Kansas I can't say the same thing. I just feel the crowds especially in KC are just flat. I'm use to hearing Allen Fieldhouse go insane (I know its louder naturally), but its so dead, even when they have good runs going. If I'm wrong Ill just stop bitching, but I feel Kansas fans take for granted the following.

P.S. I hate the Sprint Center for Kansas to play in. Would never be mad if they didn't play another game in the place.

Rae Bricil 5 years, 5 months ago

i was there yesterday. All the KU fans, guessing about half the building, were standing up cheering as KU tried to make runs in the second half--even as an exhausted Mason watched his man blow by him for go ahead lay up--the fans cannot play defense. There was a complete home court advantage yesterday. Ridiculous to blame it on the fans or the building--we have seen these same type of games all year in AFH as well, OU, KSU, WVU, to name a few.

This team cannot defend and is not a good free throw shooting team. As others have pointed out they have been riding this idea that they can play portions of a game and turn it on when they want and it came back and bit them in the butt this time. They are truly fortunate it has not happened more often. this is the first team in years that would not surprise me if they lose the first weekend or won it all--they are that unpredictable. I think is evidenced by their KenPom ranking which now trails Wichita State vs their AP ranking.

Barry Weiss 5 years, 5 months ago

well, free throws was NOT the problem yesterday.

Olympia Wilson 5 years, 5 months ago

Just wanting the LJW to write about it, because I don't trust the Star.

Carl O'Hair 5 years, 5 months ago

Did anybody, but me, hear the ESPN people say time after time last night that there has never been a 1 seed that lost in their conference tournament that went ahead to win the Big One? They say they have checked that one out and it sure looks like they don't think Kansas will be the first one.

Craig Alexander 5 years, 5 months ago

ESPN shouldn't be saying that since this was on their site.

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 5 months ago

Not only that, but 4 of the last 5 national champs didn't win their conference tourney.

Steve Johnson 5 years, 5 months ago

Mason brings it every game and even if he is not at his best, he is still by far the best jayhawk on the floor. The weakest links are Bragg and Svi. Neither can play defense and up until yesterday Svi couldn't hit the ocean with his shot. maybe Bragg will transfer after this year, so the team can have a fresh look without the drama of Bragg

Clara Westphal 5 years, 5 months ago

Coach Self needs to find another way to discipline players who get in trouble. Suspension for games punishes the whole team which is unfair to those who stay out of trouble.

For those who get into trouble, give them a trash bag and let them pick up trash in one of the public parks or on campus. Make it something that punishes the individual; not the team.

Steve Johnson 5 years, 5 months ago

Agreed, Self didn't want to play the extra 2 games. He cost people a lot of money that bought tickets not knowing he was going to manipulate the outcome. He makes millions he could care a less about the fans

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 5 months ago

DOOK might have just saved our #1 seed making all of this MUTE!

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 5 months ago

LOL.. MOOT, not MUTE! Voice technology still needs some tweaking.

Barry Weiss 5 years, 5 months ago

lol...I saw that, but chose not to pounce, man, I've got a few peeps on this board just waiting, oops, I should have typed, for a typo. Point is, we all know what you meant, some just like to get in their correction. Carry on Sir Marius!

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 5 months ago

Much appreciated Barry. I was paralyzed in the Coast Guard and I use voice technology for typing and I don't always edit my posts as well as needed.

Harlan Hobbs 5 years, 5 months ago

My prediction based on the most recent results:

East: Villanova #1 and Duke #2

South: North Carolina #1 and Kentucky #2

Midwest: Kansas #1 and the loser of Arizona-Oregon #2

West: Gonzaga #1 and the winner of Az-Or #2

While Joe Lunardi doesn't make the brackets, he's usually right on the top seeds.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 5 months ago

Jay Bilas now has Duke a #1 seed if they win the ACC Tournament. From #14 to a #1 seed? It's ridiculous and worse is from someone that I highly respect.

Barry Weiss 5 years, 4 months ago

Where did Bilas graduate from, I should know. Man was he a duke homer last night

Harlan Hobbs 5 years, 4 months ago

Don't forget, Jay is a "homer" when it comes to Duke, his alma mater.

Barry Weiss 5 years, 4 months ago

thanks Harlan, I should have read before I posted to Marius. Rock Chalk!

Harlan Hobbs 5 years, 4 months ago

No problem, Barry. Actually, the LJW sometimes gets the posts out of order, so it is entirely possible that your post hit before mine did. I'm just glad that we are on the same wave length. I'm in good company.

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