Thursday, March 9, 2017

TCU shocks Kansas in Big 12 quarterfinal

Kansas guard Frank Mason III (0) puts up a floater over TCU guard Alex Robinson (25) during the first half, Thursday, March 9, 2017 at Sprint Center. At right is TCU forward Vladimir Brodziansky (10).

Kansas guard Frank Mason III (0) puts up a floater over TCU guard Alex Robinson (25) during the first half, Thursday, March 9, 2017 at Sprint Center. At right is TCU forward Vladimir Brodziansky (10).


— The Kansas basketball team’s postseason began in a fashion the Jayhawks had mastered in the previous months: overcoming a dangerous deficit.

For the ninth time this season, the nation’s No. 1-ranked team found itself in a double-digit hole, but for just the second time this season, KU came up short, losing 85-82 to TCU.

Trailing by two with 22.8 seconds to play in the second half, KU’s Big 12 Player of the Year, Frank Mason III (game-high 29 points) drove hard toward the paint and drew a foul that sent him to the charity stripe where he tied the game with two free throws.

But the Horned Frogs’ Desmond Bane did one better when Svi Mykhailiuk fouled him on a corner 3-pointer with 2.5 seconds left after initially blocking Bane’s shot attempt. Bane nailed all three of his chances, allowing the eighth-seeded Frogs to advance to the semifinals and sending KU back to Lawrence.

Here’s a quick look back at some of the action:

• The game turned when: TCU didn’t sweat a 12-point Kansas lead in the first half.

Jamie Dixon’s bunch steadily fought back and even withstood a KU rally after taking an 11-point lead of their own in the second half.

Kenrich Williams went for 18 points and eight rebounds, Bane scored 16, Alex Robinson added 13 and TCU pulled off what figures to be the shocker of the entire Big 12 tourney.

• Offensive highlight: With freshman Josh Jackson serving a one-game suspension, somebody had to step up and wow the Kansas fans in attendance.

While it wasn’t one signature play, junior wing Mykhailiuk came through early, looking far better offensively than he had in weeks.

Mykhailiuk scored eight of KU’s first 14 points and had 13 in the first eight minutes (18 total), as the Jayhawks got out to a 24-13 lead.

The starting guard still had his issues defensively, but his outburst — especially since Mykhailiuk hadn’t scored in double figures since Feb. 4 versus Iowa State — gave Kansas a significant lift and a positive start without Jackson.

• Defensive highlight: With Kansas in the midst of its comeback, seldom-used backup big man Dwight Coleby gave the team a rare paint-protecting presence inside.

Twice in one sequence, with less than nine minutes to play, TCU’s JD Miller went right at Coleby. And twice Coleby stymied Miller with a swat.

The Frogs spent plenty of time in the quarterfinal scoring inside (38 points in the paint), so any time Kansas came away with a stop, it seemed like a bonus.

• Key stat: Rebounding. TCU dominated the glass in the first half, with a 19-10 advantage. The Frogs also cashed in via the offensive glass, with 17 second-chance points, on 10 offensive rebounds.

TCU won the battle of the boards, 36-31, allowing the underdog to knock off the Big 12’s top seed.

• Up next: The Jayhawks will have to wait until Selection Sunday to find out where and when they will open up the NCAA Tournament.

By the Numbers: TCU 85, Kansas 82

By the Numbers: TCU 85, Kansas 82

— See what people were saying about the game during's live coverage.

More news and notes from Kansas vs. TCU


Ryan Zimmerman 5 years, 2 months ago

Plenty of chances to win, but I think Svi got screwed on that 3 point foul. Guy clearly pulls him down on top of him. At most, it should have been an after the shot foul but hey, is what it is. Jackson missing killed us as Vick and Svi had to really get used to the additional playing team. Good learning experience. Still pumped for the big tourney

Bryce Landon 5 years, 2 months ago

I thought Svi was busting out of his slump when he hit those big shots in the first half. Then he went back to the slumping Svi we've had to deal with the past 10 games or so.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 2 months ago

With incoming Marcus Garrett and transfers Newman and Sam Cunliffe, Svi leaving won't be the worst thing to happen. I'm glad he got off to a good start today but he finished the game shying away from open shots, missing a key FT and not much defense.

Ryan, I think Svi fouled on that last play. He was off his feet and didn't allow for the player to come down. It was pretty close as I thought the TCU player moved into Svi but 9/10 times, there will be a foul called.

Jaston Archie 5 years, 2 months ago

I hope we get Trevon Duval, he's a legit playmaker

RJ King 5 years, 2 months ago

I hope Svi stays. I do think we would miss him. Look at Mason's improvement this year. We never know when a player is going to turn the corner.

And it's not like we have oversold the flight. There are roster spots open. If he returns and doesn't produce, it's not like he's keeping us from a better player.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 2 months ago

You make a good point RJ unless we were to get Trevon Duvall (as Justin Archie states) in his place.

Dustin Lentz 5 years, 2 months ago

That's absolutely pathetic self couldn't manage his team better - then to lose to one of the worst teams bc Jackson couldn't play. Big disapppintment. These guys are going down first game of the NCAA. The team today had no heart. Tell me anything KU did great that showed they wanted to win. That's what I thought.

Allison Steen 5 years, 2 months ago

There's a slight chance you're overreacting.

Bryce Landon 5 years, 2 months ago

There's also a slight chance he might not be overreacting. This was a despicable performance by KU. The defense was nightmarishly bad (why didn't Self switch to a zone?!), the rebounding was bad, the turnovers were costly, and Svi could not have fouled at a worse time than he did with less than five seconds left. And of course, Josh Jackson was an immature boob trying to hide his traffic ticket from his coach.

This had better not be a harbinger of what's to come in the Big Dance. The only way this team redeems itself for this stinker is to make it to the Sweet 16 bare minimum.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 2 months ago

Bryce, you and I usually agree but TCU would have shot over the zone. That isn't normally the case but they wanted the win more than we did. Their shots when in under pressure, when ours continually balance out.

Tough game, tough loss and we can forget going through Tulsa and Kansas City unless another potential team loses. Either way, we are no longer the top #1 overall seed. I think Villanova will likely take our spot.

Brad Farha 5 years, 2 months ago

I don't think Tulsa is out of the question. They do preferential placement in the pods for the top 4 seeds per region. I doubt we drop to a 5 seed. Then you look at the other top 7 or 8 teams for the regional placement. I suspect we still get placed in the Midwest region -- I don't think we'd drop so much that there would be that many teams ahead of us.

Tom Jones 5 years, 2 months ago

There's actually a zero percent chance he might not be overreacting.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 2 months ago

Self cannot change the directory of the ball once it leaves the player's hands. I think if we had successively made the lob pass to Vick, it would have sealed the victory. We missed so many wide open 3 shots in both Svi and Vick shied away from taking the open shot.

Still, we had a 4 point advantage with under 2 minutes to go. If Lucas and Svi made their last free throws, that might have been enough also. Easily the worst game Kansas played and ironically, it was the most pressure this team felt. Not a great way to go into the tournament with a looming #2 seeding.

Tom Jones 5 years, 2 months ago

I think it's the perfect way to go into the tournament. Reality check and Jackson will be out to atone for his sins. It'd been quite a while since they lost. Nothing like the taste of defeat to motivate's true in all sports and really all walks of life.

And if you're gonna lose, lose a meaningless game.

Tracey Graham 5 years, 2 months ago

TCU is a bubble team in terms of making the NCAA Tournament. This was their 19th win of the season. They are a good team -- not "one of the worst"

KU has played this way all season. If there is such a thing as an inconsistent 28-4 team, the Jayhawks are definitely it. They easily could have 3-4 more losses than they do, because pretty much every game they play comes down to the final 1-2 minutes. And no team is going to go undefeated in those types of games

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 2 months ago

TCU was 6/12 over the regular-season. I don't see any way that they can make the tournament without winning the BIG12 Tournament.

Bryce Landon 5 years, 2 months ago

The turning point of the game in my mind came when Jamie Dixon got T'ed up in the first half. It lit a fire under his team's ass that we couldn't match.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 2 months ago

Dixon's technical did fire up TCU. Self's technical just cost us 2 more points.

Bryce Landon 5 years, 2 months ago

For some reason, when Self gets T'ed up, it rarely fires us up. Has anyone else noticed that, or is that just me?

Shannon Gustafson 5 years, 2 months ago

I'd like you to go look up the stats for this because I'd be willing to bet you're absolutely wrong. It works way more than it doesn't. As a perpetual Self hater though, I'm not surprised you only notice when it doesn't work.

Jaston Archie 5 years, 2 months ago

And the sad thing is that Self's seemed very intentional, but Svi's block was definitely goal tending and his block at the end was definitely a foul

Allin Herring 5 years, 2 months ago

Yea I agree Self had his hand directly in this loss. Maybe if Self had manned up and suspended Jackson on the first criminal offense he would not have done the second criminal offense and he would have been in the game! Oh but wait...Jackson is an Ambassador to the University how can I forgot that. I don't hear you telling us about him being an Ambassador now Bill! How come??

Bryce Landon 5 years, 2 months ago

Annnnnnnnnnnndddddddddddddddd...we are now front page news on CBS Sports' website for losing this game. SMH... >.<

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 2 months ago

Along with ESPN, Fox Sports and just about every other national sports affiliates.

Tracey Graham 5 years, 2 months ago

So what? When any #1 team loses, they go on the front page of every sports website.

Scott Custer 5 years, 2 months ago

It's just a game. I think they could use the rest so this isn't a horrible thing. Mason looked absolutely exhausted. The man needs rest.

Daniel Kennamore 5 years, 2 months ago

Well the lack of mental discipline to hold onto leads and put away inferior teams finally caught up to them.

Hopefully they learn their lesson and realize they need to play like they are down 12 every single possession from start to finish, otherwise the Sweet Sixteen is the ceiling.

Bryce Landon 5 years, 2 months ago

They should have learned that lesson after the Iowa State game at home, when they blew a 15-point lead and lost by 3 in overtime. If that didn't teach them that lesson, nothing will.

Cory McCart 5 years, 2 months ago

love this team, but there's definitely a missing piece.

RJ King 5 years, 2 months ago

"play like they are down 12 every single possession from start to finish" with only walk-ons on the bench as back up guards ? ? ?

Allin Herring 5 years, 2 months ago

Yea I agree. This team may go down being known as Frank and the criminals!

John Fitzgerald 5 years, 2 months ago

In the grand scheme of things this loss doesn't matter much. But you also can't put a spin on this and say it's a good loss. We'll be going into the big tournament with zero momentum.

Joe Ross 5 years, 2 months ago


(or, "If ever there was a "good loss", this might fit the category because...)

  1. We were beaten without Josh Jackson. Factor in the phenom and you know the game would have gone differently.

  2. I don't care what their record is. Dixon is a good coach and TCU is a good team. You know this, main!

  3. With a thin line-up, the guys will get some extra rest. Josh Jackson more than anyone.

  4. Players who don't have a lot of pressure on them were forced to step up and shoulder some weight. That's a good thing for obvious reasons.

  5. Extra day or two of practice, addressing issues.

  6. We can shed the idea that we are invincible in late game situations. False sense of protection gone, we will rely on a sense of urgency rather than superstition.

  7. In light of all of the above, Kansas is not going to lose a #1 seed.

  8. Determination to get back on the court a week from now will be high. Hunger to play will be the controlling emotion, rather than "big stage jitters" that lead to playing tight.

  9. It's not like TCU laid the wood on us.

  10. The guys are still playing pretty well. Mason still being Frank Mason, etc.

Bryce Landon 5 years, 2 months ago

Joe, what the hell is the matter with you? This is not a good loss! We pissed away perhaps a #1 seed and a Tulsa-Kansas City road to the Final Four!

Joe Ross 5 years, 2 months ago

What's wrong with me is that I am not given to histrionics like you are. We won't be losing a number 1 seed. That idea is ridiculous, as is the your excessive worry about Kansas' playing locale. Aren't you the "Fire Bill Self!" guy?

Your pendulum of emotion swings rather wildly doesnt it?

Calm, my friend. Calm...

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 2 months ago

Overall good advice Joe but losing momentum and possibly more is not the way to start off the NCAA Tournament

RJ King 5 years, 2 months ago

I disagree about momentum. To win the Big-12 Tourney and make the Final Four they would have to go 15-0. To just make Big12 champ game and go to Final Four they'd have to go 14-1.

Let the others get knicked up and worn out. It's now time for our guys to start a new streak: 6-0

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 2 months ago

Then we disagree about disagreeing. Momentum is easy to lose and difficult to get back.

Jaston Archie 5 years, 2 months ago

Well obviously playing in KC isn't that important, losing to TCU

Tracey Graham 5 years, 2 months ago

None of the "experts" seem to think this will cost KU a #1 seed. It will just cost them the overall #1 seed. And they will still likely get the Tulsa-KC route

Better to lose today then a week from today or next weekend.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 2 months ago

Even better: win today, keep building on the momentum and win 6 more.

Also, the so called 'experts' aren't the ones doing the seeding. We have now left our destiny in other people's hands when we once controlled our own destiny.

Brian Skelly 5 years, 2 months ago

There is almost no chance this costs us a number one seed. Now, it might cost us THE TOP #1 seed, but to me that's almost inconsequential. KU didnt 'piss away' their location... they'll still go to Tulsa.

Of course, todays "performance" might increase my doubt outta making to the second weekend of the tournament in KC. History isnt kind to KU with those factors.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 2 months ago

Joe, I can easily agree with points #1- #3

On #4, the players who were forced to step up clearly didn't do so. Bragg is atrocious. Next year, I expect Coleby to receive a lot more minutes due to Bragg's inconsistent and unfocused game.

5 playing in a BIG12 Tournament is far better for the team then a few extra practices. Unfortunately, today we learned how to lose a close game. Betting Iowa State mops up the court with TCU.

6 has what I call sound reasoning but I always think that winning close games teaches you more than losing close games. Our defense was pathetic for vast periods of time.

7 it seems that the committee is looking for any reason to move North Carolina to make it up to a #1. KU just gave them that.

8 Good point.

9 TCU did outscore Kansas 29 to 10 and when we finally did get the lead, we seemed to miss at just about every opportunity including 2 missed free throws late.

10 Mason is still playing good but without Jackson not even Mason was able to overcome his loss and even more so, no one playing in his place did much on the offensive side. Someone mentioned using a zone. That might have been a good move in Self's strategy as we often found ourselves having to force shots.

Joe Ross 5 years, 2 months ago

It's nice to see eye to eye on issues every now again, and have our disagreements be agreeable.


Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 2 months ago

I definitely went a little over the top with my comment that we are never on the same wavelength. Wish I hadn't said it.

Mike Riches 5 years, 2 months ago

Totally agree. Factor in the extra (much needed) rest from not playing 2-3 days in a row, and the fact we got out of the conference with no major injuries, and I'll take it. We'll still be a 1 seed for sure (winning the conference by four games ensured that) and we'll likely be in the Midwest, but even if we're not, the way this team responds to tough road environments, I don't know if that would even be a bad thing. I hope this loss stings bad and leads to even more determination and resolve to win a National Championship!

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 2 months ago

Well, we lost momentum after winning the final 8 games of the season to TCU. How is that in any way a blessing in disguise. Going from the overall top seeded #1 to a possible #2 or at the very least, losing our Tulsa/Kansas City matchups are not going to help in any way.

Tom Jones 5 years, 2 months ago

Well, there is no way to lose Tulsa and losing KC is possible but unlikely. Unlikelier still is dropping to a 2 seed with their resume.

Len Shaffer 5 years, 2 months ago

Thank you, Joe, for being the voice of sanity here. Wow, I've seen some overreactions in my time but you guys are taking things to a whole new level!!!

No, Bryce, we will NOT lose the number 1 seed and we will NOT lose the road through Tulsa and Kansas City. In fact, if I could bet on it, I would bet that we will still be the number 1 overall seed. Are you guys all new to this or have you ever actually WATCHED the selection show before???

Since you obviously are not dealing with reality, let me explain some things to you:

  1. The selection committee take things like injuries and suspensions into account. KU will not be penalized very much because the committee will know that they played the game without Josh.

  2. The committee looks at the entire season, not just one game. And KU has done more than enough over the course of the ENTIRE SEASON (including winning one of the best conferences by FOUR games) to garner a 1 seed.

  3. There's NO chance that KU won't be playing in Tulsa. The opening rounds are assigned based on drawing crowds, so KU would be in Tulsa even if it were as low as a 4 seed.

  4. It's also highly likely that KU will remain in Kansas City, for the top two reasons specified above.

  5. As Joe pointed out, this will give KU two extra days of rest as well as extra practice time, both of which are good things.

  6. There is also now very little chance that someone vital to KU's chances will get needlessly hurt (Joel Embiid, anyone?)

So calm down everyone, take your meds, and look forward to a strong run in the Madness.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 2 months ago

It may not be as huge of a factor in the past but many of these seedings are determined by just that.

Barry Weiss 5 years, 2 months ago

although you usually correct my spelling or grammar, and it needs it, I agree with you.

Tracey Graham 5 years, 2 months ago

They won't be the overall #1 seed. You can't lose in the quarterfinals of your conference tourney & be the #1 overall seed UNLESS the team is considered WAYb etter than every other team (which isn't the case) or every other potential overall #1 seed also loses early in their conference tournament (which won't happen, since Gonzaga already won the WCC Tourney)

Right now, Joe Lunardi has them as a #1 seed, but as the 3rd #1. I could see them falling to the last #1 seed if UCLA, Villanova & UNC all win their conference tourneys.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 2 months ago

The doubts are sneaking in that this might be another top pre-tournament team. I wonder what confession/police altercation will be next.

I'm back to taping the rest of the season. Watching one of the BIG12's defeat KU might have cost them the #1 seed in the Midwest. They deserve to lose it. I thought we would have picked up our 30th victory in the BIG12 tournament. Instead, we were handed our asses.

Won't be fooled again.

Tim Orel 5 years, 2 months ago

Since you brought it up, who deserves #1 in the Midwest more than KU?

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 2 months ago

It doesn't matter. That's the point. We once controlled our destiny. Now we have let others decide which bracket and where we play. Not a difficult concept.

Kit Duncan 5 years, 2 months ago

The sky is not falling. It's not the end of the world. Yes, it is a disappointing loss and I certainly don't believe anyone on the team wanted to lose.

Upside, with such a short bench and some dings and dents in the starters, it gives Coach Self and the team two extra days to rest and recover, as well as avoiding even more fatigue inducing and likely bruising games against ISU and, beyond them, a final game against another fired up team. A two seed might be better with a rested and recuperated team as opposed to a banged up worn down, one seed.

Jaston Archie 5 years, 2 months ago

This loss can be a blessing in disguise because the players desperately need more rest instead of going through a meat grinder against Iowa St. and either WVU or Baylor for frankly a not so great prize of conference tourney title. It's time to devote all the remaining time and energy towards the tourney. Hopefully the team now plays with a chip on it's shoulder knowing that the next game could very well be the last one.

I think we also see that without Jackson, this team is just on a lower level talent wise. JJ brings an elite level of skill, competitiveness, size and more, and not to take anything away from Mason, but I think JJ is the MVP

My weekend will now suck entertainment wise, but if sacrificing this one means enjoying the Final Four, then so be it

Creg Bohrer 5 years, 2 months ago

Jaston. I think both are MVP'S you lose either we're hurting big time..

Michael Sillman 5 years, 2 months ago

This loss is probably the best thing that could have happened to KU. It punctures their overconfidence and makes them go into the tournament hungry. Frankly I don't think the Tulsa Kansas City route has that much advantage. Send us somewhere new. Great learning experience for Jackson that his immature mistakes have consequences for others.

Allin Herring 5 years, 2 months ago

You would have thought like most people he would have learned from his first run in from the law!! But wait he is the Ambassador for the University and he can do any thing he wants!!! If Self had manned up the first time and suspended him maybe he would have been playing yesterday. It's really not about the loss (though I think it cost us a #1 seed) it more about why we loss. One, Self's lack of discipline with arrests (we now lead the NCAA in arrests), two his lack of changing up the defense to a zone from our no defense defense in the second half, and three Self's T in the second half that cost us two points. Yes Bill your finger prints were all over that game!!! It is a shame as Frank played his heart out for a team that will be known as Frank and the criminals!!!

Dustin Lentz 5 years, 2 months ago

I don't think anyone realizes the momentum killer here. We went in to the tourney as the best team in the nation. Now they'll be playing with a "revenge" mindset that's not necessary when you play random teams. Jackson has never shown to be a player with the "killer" mindset. Today was a prime opportunity to show how deep we are supposed to be. Against "TCU" - and we saw what happened. My hands are tired from all the "quotes". RCJHGKU

Jaston Archie 5 years, 2 months ago

Playing with a chip on your shoulder doesn't mean you're seeking revenge, it just means you have something to prove, there's a greater sense of urgency, people on the outside and opposing teams are now doubting you and thinking you're not as good

And if you don't think Jackson has a killer mindset I don't know who does, maybe not compared to Ron Artest but I think Josh is very mentally tough, he always plays his best in the big game and big moment

RJ King 5 years, 2 months ago

how "deep" we are supposed to be ? ? ?

Yes, Tucker Vang failed us again.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 2 months ago

"Jackson has never shown to be a player with the "killer" mindset".

You haven't watched many/any games this season.

Tom Jones 5 years, 2 months ago

"Jackson has never shown to be a player with the "killer" mindset."


Tracey Graham 5 years, 2 months ago

Is it really a shock when the team that plays better ends up winning the game?TCU outplayed KU for the final 25 minutes of this game and they deserved to win.

I think the Jayhawks believe that, no badly how they may be playing, they can turn it on in the final 6 minutes of the game and pull out the victory. And yes, they've done that a lot this season, but the reality of allowing every game to come down to the final couple of possessions is that, eventually, those possessions aren't going to go in your favor and you lose a game that...based on should win. If Josh hadn't been an idiot and gotten suspended, KU probably finds a way to pull this game out. But in my opinion, TCU deserved to win...they outplayed KU, they outhustled KU, etc.

This might be a blessing in disguise, as maybe the Jayhawks will understand they won't make a deep run in the NCAA Tournament if they don't defend or block out better on the boards.

Oh, and for those complaining about the foul. Svi fouled him. The rule is, the defender has to let the shooter come down. Svi fell right into him. Also, KU got the benefit of two iffy calls late in the game. Especially the one where they said Frank was tripped. Nope... had already lost his balance before he tipped over the leg of the TCU defender (they also called that foul on the wrong TCU player). So to complain about the refs would make no sense.

Hopefully Devonte's ankle is ok and Josh and everyone else can stay out of off-the-court trouble the remainder of the season. Also, let's cross our fingers for a decent bracket with no really scary potential Round of 32 matchup


Mike Riches 5 years, 2 months ago

TCU is playing their best ball of the season right now. I wouldn't be surprised if they beat ISU tomorrow (they split their games this year) and today's game should give TCU lots of momentum. Plus they're playing to try to get into the big dance. They should want to win more than the other teams left in the Big 12 tourney.

As for Kansas, I think we'll be fine. I expect us to come out a little rusty in the 16/1 game but to get down to business quickly. I like our chances a lot right now!

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 2 months ago

Losing to the 3rd worst team in the opening game of the BIG12 Tournament, no matter how much better they are playing is a bad game. We were up by 12, came back and took a 4 point lead and let the game slip out of our grasp.

Hard to find any legitimate excuse.

RJ King 5 years, 2 months ago

Yes, 3rd worst in our league, but according to Jay Bilas, 53rd overall in his "potential to win the ncaa tournament" list (of a couple days ago).

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 2 months ago

Unless they win it all, TCU's season is over (maybe NIT) after the Conference Championship is over. FACT!

Barry Weiss 5 years, 2 months ago

I'm not big on the lose fast and get some rest train. But I do see the benefits. I also think (hope) this will be a wake up call that although we have been very good at pulling games out late, we won't always be able to. In other words, beat the hell out of the team you are playing, put the pedal down when you are up 6-10.

As far as today, our defense lost this game. Good grief its rare we let a team shoot 50% on us and out rebound us. Its amazing we were even in this game with those stats. It was one of those games where they time and time again took it to the hoop. This time, I can't count the number of times there was no one to slide over and at least try to defend the scorer. Heck, they probably missed 3 open lay ups. Josh surely would have helped. I'm hopeful he and all the team sees how badly each one of them is necessary for every game and that they are all like little angels for the next month. Hope in bed by 10, no cuss words, drinking, just little angels for one month, its all I ask.

Brianna Zaleski 5 years, 2 months ago

Len and Joe,

Thank you! My goodness the overreacting is tantamount to pubescent girls. Jay Scott is spinning in his grave (or wherever he is) reading the sky is falling BS.

If UNC wins their conference tournament, there is a chance the take the #1 overall seed but I highly doubt that would push us from the Tulsa/ KC route.

Relax, TCU is a good team that was hungry. We didn't have our best player (or 2nd best). Look at this as a good opportunity to wake the team up and get focused.

Humpy Helsel 5 years, 2 months ago

Good. Am I glad this happened? Of course not. Does it hurt my pride and do I hate it I basically have no real life this week outside of KU basketball? Yes. Is it possible this could be a blessing to this team? National media writing them off. Not an overall #1 seed. Rest. Regroup. Josh back. The Josh haters saying "good." We got snakebit today. Do anyone out there want to play a snakebit KU team?

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 2 months ago

A healthy Coleby could very well leave Bragg collecting final game minutes. If Bragg doesn't show up over the spring, he should consider transferring.

Tony Bandle 5 years, 2 months ago

Let's end this discussion right now....there is no such thing as a "good loss" period. However, positive lessons and results can be drawn from a loss.

All of you guys have done a masterful job of listing them. Allow me to add one more. No one is taking this game harder than Josh. For the NCAA's; he will come out on fire on a mission to redeem himself in his own tough self evaluation,

A team with a fired up Josh Jackson, no matter what the seeding or where the games are, is a very dangerous team in deed!!!

Alex Berger 5 years, 2 months ago

Good news for all Kansas fans.

Over the last 5 years only 1 national champion won their conference tournament, Louisville in 2013.

2016 Villanova, 2015 Duke, 2014 Connecticut, and 2012 Kentucky all lost in the conference tournament.

Bryce Landon 5 years, 2 months ago

In 2008, Kansas won the Big 12 Tournament before winning the NCAA title. Just sayin'...

Joe Ross 5 years, 2 months ago

I dont know the answer off the top of my head, but Im guessing OU won in '88. There is nothing magical that says you have to win your conference tournament to win a national championship. If you do, fine. But I think you've been listening to too much Stevie Wonder.

Kit Duncan 5 years, 2 months ago

OU did win the Big 8 tourney in 1988, beating K-State. KU lost to K-State in the semi. That year OU went 35-4 overall 12-2 in the Big 8, averaging 104.8 pts per game (yes... 104.8!) They averaged 114.4 pts at home, 110.8 at neutral sites, and "only" 85.1 in road games.

Kansas? They went 27-11, 9-5 in the Big 8, good for 3rd place behind OU and KSU, but won the games that mattered, including avenging earlier losses to KSU, Duke, and OU.

Joe Norton 5 years, 2 months ago

Please Self, have Coleby in over Bragg. Coleby is a better rebounder, defender, and stronger. Bragg is a defensive liability. We play better with Coleby in the game too I feel.

Barry Weiss 5 years, 2 months ago

Bragg looks lost out there. That air ball right before the half was embarrassing. I'm not sure he will even be a starter for us next year unless he improves.

Kit Duncan 5 years, 2 months ago

In 1997 Arizona beat three number one seeds, (including Kansas) to win the National Championship, after losing their last two conference games. The PAC 10 didn't have a post season tournament at the time. Though rested and healed, they should have gone into the NCAA having lost any momentum. Obviously that didn't matter.

Preparation trumps momentum with great coaching and talented players.

Mitchell Lynn 5 years, 2 months ago

Worse than being on front page of CBS, ESPN et. al. is front page of KC Star. Somebody please talk me off this ledge. Big fear is that Jackson will be suspended indefinitely. Not hopeful that is all resolved before NCAA. No Jackson, and I could see us losing to a 16 seed.

Chad Smith 5 years, 2 months ago

Calm the heck down. Kansas lost to baylor in the big 12 tourney 2012 and made the FINAL FOUR and NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.

This tournament does not equate to ncaa tourney success. And now we see why josh jackson is important, mostly his defense.

Also, TCU is good as well as the rest of our league.

We won lots of close games this year experience like that counts in march.

We went 28-4 so far this season, but one loss has everyone shook. What kind of fans are you.

Yes we are vulnerable, but what team this year isnt? We just have to be the best for 6 games. Which we absolutely can be.

Trust me, i see why its easy to be upset. But consider how many shots rimmed out and how the end of the game went their way. We are still great and josh WILL be back for the tourney. And we WILL be a #1 seed. Our resume which includes wins over duke, kentucky, baylor (twice), davidson, etc. We have earned a Midwest 1. That's what we will get. The committee knows we didnt have josh today. Its all good.

Joseph Bullock 5 years, 2 months ago

Joe Ross, your 'Top 10 Reasons', pretty much makes good sense to me, and in fact, the main thing is we get much needed rest (our guards have player way too many minutes), and their bodies can take some time off to heal, and we can get some much needed, actually, practice time in. People who are calling names are really childish and ignorant, and people who want players to transfer, are just as bad-I remember how many said the same things about Perry Ellis, after a loss, and then jumped right back on the band wagon! Pitiful. The biggest critics, once again, live their lives through these kids, because most of them couldn't play dead! LOL Also, anyone who says we are going to lose in the first round, because of this loss, has absolutely no clue about anything in life!!! We "WILL" be a #1 Seed, and we "WILL" be in Tulsa! Seriously? Fair Weather Fans! I'm not even gonna get back on here until we win our First Round Game, and I'm not gonna argue or get mad at people who have anger issues, and don't know 'the game'! LOL Rock Chalk!

Bj Cassady 5 years, 2 months ago

This is a problem with having a one and done player. Sometimes they feel entitled and do what they want to do. Whereas a four year player committed to the program will stay the course and is more likely not to get into trouble. JJ cost KU a victory plain and simple. If I was the coach, I would clean house of trouble makers during the off season Bragg and whoever else has a bad attitude or a propensity for getting into trouble. It makes the school, the program look bad. BJ

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