Saturday, February 20, 2016

Secondary issues dominate KU-KSU

Kansas guard Brannen Greene (14) comes down from a breakaway dunk with seconds remaining in the the Jayhawks' 77-59 win over Kansas State, Wednesday, Feb. 3, 2016 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas guard Brannen Greene (14) comes down from a breakaway dunk with seconds remaining in the the Jayhawks' 77-59 win over Kansas State, Wednesday, Feb. 3, 2016 at Allen Fieldhouse.


— Several items that have nothing to do with the X’s and O’s of basketball have dominated the conversation entering today’s 5 p.m. Sunflower Showdown between No. 2-ranked Kansas University (22-4, 10-3) and Kansas State (15-11, 4-9) in Bramlage Coliseum.

— K-State senior Justin Edwards tells the Wichita Eagle the Wildcats “want to get back at them (Jayhawks)” in retaliation for KU junior Brannen Greene flushing an unguarded dunk before the final buzzer sounded in KU’s 77-59 win over KSU on Feb. 3 in Allen Fieldhouse.

— Edwards and junior Wesley Iwundu have, in quotes printed by the Eagle, encouraged fans to storm the court if the Wildcats win. That’s despite the fact KSU was disciplined by the Big 12 for a court-storming incident against KU last year in which a Wildcat student plowed into KU’s Jamari Traylor and was cited by police for disorderly conduct.

Asking for court storming also is in direct conflict with KSU administration, which warned students they would be prosecuted if they stormed following a recent win over Oklahoma. They did not.

— KSU students today will display K-State Collegian posters with an image of the Starship Enterprise. It mocks the situation in which KSU’s band allegedly drew up a formation at a KSU football game in which a Jayhawk performed a sexual act. It ended up with KSU paying a fine to the Big 12 office for poor sportsmanship.

Regarding the hottest topic — court storming (a sports writer had his leg broken in an incident at Iowa State this season) — KSU’s Iwundu told the Eagle: “We are definitely looking forward to that. Why not have fun with it? This is college basketball and that is part of college basketball. We want to see the court storm happen.”

Noted coach Bruce Weber to the Eagle: “Our security is beefed up. If it happens, we will be much better prepared and we won’t have any problems with it. I just hope they come and cheer and have fun and we can play at a high level and they are a factor in the game.”

To prevent a court storm today, the Jayhawks must win in Bramlage for the first time in three seasons. KU is 23-4 in the building throughout history.

“It’s a great crowd, very active, loud, but I don’t know if it’s a building as much as it is the players that have been playing in it,” KU coach Bill Self said. “I think their crowd gives their players a lot of confidence, a lot of energy, just like our crowd does, and I think we’ve caught them the last couple of years when they’ve been really good. They play very well and totally deserved the outcome that they got.

“The biggest thing is we’ve got to focus in on not letting them play well and doing something to keep them from playing well, and we can do that on both ends if we play well,” Self added. “Going into it with a mindset to attack them as opposed to letting the intangibles be a factor in the game.”

K-State outrebounded KU, 36-21, in the game in Allen.

“Their effort on the glass was far better than ours,” Self said. Forward Stephen Hurt led the way with 11 boards and 14 points. “We’ve got to be much more active, try harder and be a little bit more focused.”

All in sold-out Bramlage.

“The past two years, we’ve come up short there. This year we’re going to try to change it,” said KU junior Wayne Selden Jr., who had seven points in the first meeting. Perry Ellis had 19. “If you haven’t been able to do something, you always want to accomplish it. It’s been tough there the last two years. They beat Oklahoma, so we know they have a capable team. We have to come out and guard ’em.”

Noted senior Traylor: “It’s up to us to go in there and get a win in a crazy atmosphere. It’s always tough in there because they play so hard. Because of the rivalry they want to win. We want to win, too. We’ve got to be focused, not let the crowd change anybody’s game, just go out and execute. We have to be better on the boards than the last game. They triggered a couple runs off of the activity. If we keep them off the glass and lock down on defense we’d be in better position to win the game.”

This, that: KU enters today’s game with a one-game lead over West Virginia and two-game lead over Oklahoma, Texas and Baylor in the Big 12 race. OU travels to West Virginia today for a 3 p.m. tip. Baylor travels to Texas in a 1 p.m. tip. ... KU leads the overall series with KSU, 189-93. The teams have split the last four meetings. KU has won 50 of the last 55 contests. ... Self is 25-5 all-time against KSU, including 24-5 while at KU. Weber is 2-7 against KU, including 2-6 while at K-State.

Probable Starters

KANSAS (22-4, 10-3)

F — Perry Ellis (6-8, Sr.)

F — Landen Lucas (6-10, Jr.)

G — Frank Mason III (5-11, Jr.)

G — Wayne Selden Jr. (6-5, Jr.)

G — Devonté Graham (6-2, Soph.)


(15-11, 4-9)

F — D.J. Johnson (6-9, Jr.)

F — Wesley Iwundu (6-7, Jr.)

F — Dean Wade (6-8, Fr.)

G — Barry Brown (6-3, Fr.)

G — Justin Edwards (6-4, Sr.)

Tipoff: 5 p.m. today, Bramlage Coliseium , Manhattan

TV: ESPN2 (WOW! channels 34, 234)



0 — Frank Mason III, 5-11, 185, Jr., G, Petersburg, Virginia.

1 — Wayne Selden, Jr., 6-5, 230, Jr., G, Roxbury, Massachusetts.

2 — Lagerald Vick, 6-5, 175, Fr., G, Memphis.

4 — Devonté Graham, 6-2, 175, Soph., G, Raleigh, North Carolina.

5 — Evan Manning, 6-3, 170, Sr., G, Lawrence.

10 — Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, 6-8, 195, Soph., G, Cherkasy, Ukraine.

11 — Tyler Self, 6-2, 165, Jr., G, Lawrence.

13 — Cheick Diallo, 6-9, 220, Fr., F, Kayes, Mali, Africa.

14 — Brannen Greene, 6-7, 215, Jr., G, Juliette, Georgia.

15 — Carlton Bragg, Jr., 6-9, 220, Fr., F, Cleveland.

21 — Clay Young, 6-5, 205, Soph., F, Lansing.

22 — Dwight Coleby, 6-9, 240, Jr., F, Nassau, Bahamas.

31 — Jamari Traylor, 6-8, 220, Sr., F, Chicago.

33 — Landen Lucas, 6-10, 240, Jr., F, Portland, Oregon.

34 — Perry Ellis, 6-8, 225, Sr., F, Wichita.

42 — Hunter Mickelson, 6-10, 245, Sr., F, Jonesboro, Arkansas.

Head coach: Bill Self. Assistants: Kurtis Townsend, Norm Roberts, Jerrance Howard.


1 — Carlbe Ervin II, 6-3, 205, Jr., G, Oklahoma City.

3 — Kamau Stokes, 5-10, 170, Fr., G, Baltimore.

4 — D.J. Johnson, 6-9, 250, Jr., F, St. Louis.

5 — Barry Brown, 6-3, 195, Fr., G, Saint Petersburg, Fla.

10 — Isaiah Maurice, 6-9, 225, Fr., F, Durham, N.C.

12 — Mason Schoen, 6-3, 185, Soph., G, Overland Park.

13 — Zach Winter, 6-3, 210, Jr., G, Andover.

14 — Justin Edwards, 6-4, 200, Sr., G, Whitby, Ontario.

15 — Dante Williams, 7-0, 255, Fr., F, Arlington, Texas.

23 — Ron Freeman, 6-5, 185, Fr., G, Los Angeles.

24 — Pierson McAtee, 6-6, 190, Fr., F, Manhattan.

25 — Wesley Iwundu, 6-7, 210, Jr., F, Houston.

32 — Dean Wade, 6-8, 225, Fr., F, Saint John.

33 — Brian Rohleder, 6-3, 215, Sr., G, Wichita.

35 — Austin Budke, 6-6, 220, Jr., F, Beloit.

41 — Stephen Hurt, 6-11, 265, Sr., F, Murfreesboro, Tenn.

Head coach: Bruce Weber. Assistants: Chris Lowery, Alvin Brooks III, Chester Frazier.


Trace Stark 6 years, 5 months ago

I believe this is going to blow up in the mildcats collective faces. No way the Hawks look past these guys now...

Steve Zimmerman 6 years, 5 months ago

Oh dear Traylor. Fear not, my friend. Once you have that feeling, you'd better just stay on the bench please. You should feel pump up, you should feel a revenge, too. You should not let that last year incident happen again. This time it'll be worse. Fear that, instead! Play angry! Play mad! We need those rebounds. Jump and jam, Mari! Go Jayhawks!!

Joe Ross 6 years, 5 months ago

KState lecturing Kansas on sportsmanship is like letting a hooker teach Sunday School.

Kent Wells 6 years, 5 months ago

Hookers are penetrating into college basketball. Don't be a hater, Joe...

Bryce Landon 6 years, 5 months ago

I have a sneaking suspicion that, in Louisville, it's the other way around...

Jay Scott 6 years, 5 months ago

Rick Pitino doesn't see the humor in this at all.

Joe Ross 6 years, 5 months ago

"Apologies in advance for the obvious statement: comparing KState to hookers is an insult to hookers." --David Robinett

Len Shaffer 6 years, 5 months ago

I think KSUck is trying really hard to make us all hate them as much as we hate Misuse. They've always been jealous of that rivalry, and maybe they figure that if they can pile up enough classless things at once we can start to hate them on the same level.

Sadly for them, no matter how much they continue to display their Silo Tech mentality, we will always think of them more as pitiful, pathetic and desperate than a hated enemy.

Marius Rowlanski 6 years, 5 months ago

I think there is a lot of truth in this Len. I could never root for Missouri but in the few times Kansas State has made the tournament, I always want to see them win.

It would be difficult for Kansas State to ever approach the same level of dislike I had for Missouri. I think the rivalry is far more important in their eyes. I get up more for Iowa State games to be honest.

Micky Baker 6 years, 5 months ago

Here is why secondary issues have dominated. The media made it that way. Our guys should be motivated to not just beat them, but to destroy them and not because of the court storming incident, but because KSU is the in-state, in conference rival and the only one with those two distinctions.

We could make quite a list of unsportsmanlike behavior of KSU fans over the past 25 to 30 years, and that shouldn't make any difference in motivation.

Win today, root for OU to beat West Virginia, and the top seed in the Big 12 tourney is all but in the bag with just 4 games remaining after this one. At Texas. At Baylor. Iowa State. Texas Tech.

Dirk Medema 6 years, 5 months ago

A 1 game lead with @UT, @BU, and ISU is most definitely not in the bag. Even a 2 game lead is still dangerous. It's not likely that WVU or anyone else wins out, but it's far from in the bag. Get one more of those road games, then maybe.

Micky Baker 6 years, 5 months ago

Dirk, if KU wins today, it will be a two game lead. With a 2 game lead, we only need to win the two home games to get at least a share for the 12th straight, and we win the tie breaker with OU and WVU because OU beat WVU twice. The way Baylor handled Texas in Austin today...

Bob Thompson 6 years, 5 months ago

I remember when I was at KU in the 60's, KSU students got into Allan field house the night before the game and put up banners over the score board that dropped down to cover it half way through the first half of the game. No one could see the score or the clock on all 4 sides. KU was leading, of course, and when the score was announced ever one cheered. The clock was lowered at half time and the banners were removed.

And of course KSU would quite often sneak in live chickens that were released during the game.

I can't see KU loosing this game. Too much to play for..

David Davison 6 years, 5 months ago

Thats a pretty cool story.

How'd you screw up spelling Allen Fieldhouse?

Dave Miller 6 years, 5 months ago

Spell check was probably "developed" by KSU... ;)

RJ King 6 years, 5 months ago

Hey guys . . . given his stated time at KU, Mr. Thompson is likely in his early 70's. Perhaps he didn't take typing in high school. Perhaps one of his grandchildren taught him how to dictate to his smart phone.

Speaking of dic-anything, perhaps the three of you (David, Adam, and Marius) ought to have some f#*king respect for your elders and quit thinking you're such hot $hit for catching a spelling error or three.

Michael Lorraine 6 years, 5 months ago

How come out fans don’t do anything like that. What happened to the fertile creative minds of today’s youth. Is Rip Your F*G Head Off the best they can come up with.

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 5 months ago

"How come out fans don’t do anything like that."

You mean why don't KU fans smuggle defenseless animals into a sporting event that will likely result in the death of that animal and then have to deal with those PETA nutjobs?

This is also a prosecution happy society and doing dumb stuff like that isn't worth ruining your life over. Security cameras are everywhere now so it's much harder to pull off stuff like that today.

Michael Lorraine 6 years, 5 months ago

Doesn't need to involve an animal. But if we are just going to complain whenever they do something directed towards KU, makes us look like school yard crybabies. Let's get even.

Steve Macy 6 years, 5 months ago

Going to be fun. One of the guards will have a great day. KU might win by double digits.

Robert Brock 6 years, 5 months ago

K-State beat the snot out of the Hawks on the boards at AFH; if KU doesn't correct that, you can expect the Wildcats to win a solid victory today.

Michael Lorraine 6 years, 5 months ago

How prophetic. One of the guards did have a great day and if he had sunk his final ft we would have won by double digits.

Humpy Helsel 6 years, 5 months ago

You know what? I have completely changed my colors on "the dunk" now that I'm hearing of the Purple Crap Flow. While it seemed classless at the time, it was blown up to be much bigger than it really was, and really, Coach Bill had something to do with that. I thought his outburst and claim of embarrassment and body part reference to describe it would calm everyone down. Clearly it has only made it much bigger than it needs to be. But, now, listening to their players advocating court storming and other barnyard ilk, I think rubbing their noses in their Purple Crap Flow is appropriate and warranted. Of course, ultimately, the most important thing is to win the game. But, I think a play called to set Brannen up for a dunk would be really sweet. How about right after he enters the game? This game will tell us a lot about Brannen. He is cocky, granted. We've had our share of cocky players who could talk trash talk with the best of them. Kansas State players and fans acted like they were scared to death of Sherron, and it was probably a good idea for them to be so. He was a bad man back in the day. But Brannen needs to bury some shots and show he can back up his antics with action. It's teed up for you, dude. You want to be a both guns blazing, dead eye assassin? Here is your moment.

Mallory Briggans 6 years, 5 months ago

I have yet to see a school storm the court after a loss. We get every schools " A " game and its a feather in their cap when they beat us. We have the deepest team in the league even with a shortened bench those who aren't playing Svi ...Mick ....Vick......those who see limited time Diallo ...Bragg.....Greene .....and to some extent Traylor we aren't a bad team.........BUT WE CANT TAKE THE GAME OFF .......ANY GAME FOR GRANTED.........the game at Stllwater come to mind.

Rock Chalk

Dale Rogers 6 years, 5 months ago

I am a KU fan first, a KSU fan second. It's sad to see the KSU fans sinking almost to the level of Missouri's thugs.

David Robinett 6 years, 5 months ago

Apologies in advance for the obvious statement: comparing KState to hookers is an insult to hookers.

Joe Ross 6 years, 5 months ago

Here is an article dated 1 September, 2015 stating that KState students had to sign a sportsmanship pledge prior to attending sporting events for the academic year. A WHOLE FOUR DAYS LATER, comes the very "sportsmanslike" depiction of a Jayhawk gorging itself on the Starship Enterprise. Has anyone even entertained the question about what in the world a Jayhawk has to do with a flying space machine???

The band is composed of students, presumably who signed the pledge themselves. Didn't even last a week.

And they want to be mad about a dunk? Kansas wasnt even playing in KState's opener.

John Pritchett 6 years, 5 months ago

At no time did the Kansas coaching staff or players do anything but renounce that dunk and apologize for it. But that's not good enough for KSU. KSU wants to pretend that the dunk was done out of disrespect for KSU (I don't think it was, I think it was merely bad judgement), and that the Jayhawks as a team supported it. Fine. I say if that's how they want it, let's embrace it. We should strive to play with sportsmanship in every other circumstance, but when it comes to the end of a blowout victory against KSU (and there will be many), it should just become a tradition that we finish the game with a dunk. Just to rub it in. In a way, it could be sort of our version of storming the court. If they don't want that dunk, don't lose the game. It's that simple.

I know, not gonna happen. Because KU has too much class.

The way KU handled the dunking incident was classy. If anything we went too far to apologize for it. The classy response would have been to accept the apology and put it in the past. KU and KSU have always had a more respectful than hateful rivalry. Not sure why they want to see that change. But the way I feel is, we sincerely apologized for the incident and they're spitting in our face.

All we can do is take care of business on the court and just ignore the rest. They can have their hated rivalry, but for Kansas, we're 24-5 against KSU under Coach Self. That's not a rivalry, hated or otherwise.

Mallory Briggans 6 years, 5 months ago

Game over .........Next is Baylor who dismantled a good Texas team . This game got too close for comfort . The image of K-state storming the court was not an option in my mind. We got up 17 and stopped attacking which got us the lead. We should have been a shark that smelled blood in the water and killed their spirit ......but we let them hang around . As far as Mr Lucas him not being in the game was also noticed he has a new found energy on both ends of the floor and it would have been a good thing to keep him on the floor. Graham had 1 basket ......but he was clutch at the line. A win is a win pretty or ugly is still a win .
Number 12 is getting closer .


Marius Rowlanski 6 years, 5 months ago

We would have won tonight's game handedly if not for free-throw shooting. Kansas is playing solid basketball even though not everyone is playing at their best. This team is close to peaking at exactly the right time. Baylor won't be easy but we defeated them in just about every aspect of the game.

Can we do it on the road? If so, then we win the BIG 12 out right.

RJ King 6 years, 5 months ago

Regarding "we let them hang around:"

Yes we did, but Perry left the game at 12:02 and KSU outscored us 12-5, trimming a 14 pt lead to seven over the next 6 minutes. Our offense was out-of-sync and we looked a confused defensively.

Kind of underscores the significance to the team of this quiet, steady player.

Mallory Briggans 6 years, 5 months ago

That is a valid point Perry has been pretty steady all season......D.G. had a quiet game as well but he was clutch at the line. But Frank was the old Frank . Hey even Selden got a rebound Hunter made the play of the game with the deflection. If K- State scores then ..............I care not to think about it .Yes we made enough plays down the stretch ,Life after Perry will be strange he has been steady all season . Perry is a team leader maybe the team had concerns about his injury....... that would take the focus off the task at hand ...


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