Thursday, September 23, 2010

Miscommunication: Violation prompted signal change

Kansas coach Turner Gill, right, quarterback Jordan Webb, center, and Joe Dailey, KU’s on-campus recruiting coordinator, come together on the sideline during Kansas’ Sept. 4 game against North Dakota State. Dailey had been signalling in plays on the sideline for KU’s first two games, a violation of NCAA rules the Jayhawks rectified in their third game.

Kansas coach Turner Gill, right, quarterback Jordan Webb, center, and Joe Dailey, KU’s on-campus recruiting coordinator, come together on the sideline during Kansas’ Sept. 4 game against North Dakota State. Dailey had been signalling in plays on the sideline for KU’s first two games, a violation of NCAA rules the Jayhawks rectified in their third game.


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The Journal-World has learned that KU administrators informed coach Turner Gill prior to Friday’s game that Joe Dailey, KU’s on-campus recruiting coordinator, no longer could signal in plays from the sideline because of a change in an NCAA rule that was made early this year.

Dailey, a former Nebraska quarterback who played under Gill at NU and later coached with him at the University of Buffalo, was one of the people responsible for relaying KU’s offensive plays from the coaches in the booth to the quarterback on the field. He executed this role in KU’s first two games, but did not last Friday.

KU associate athletic director Jim Marchiony said Wednesday that the mishap was discovered by “everybody” — athletic administrators, as well as the coaching staff — and administrators moved quickly to ensure that the Jayhawks no longer would be in violation of the rule.

“For the first two games, Joe was signaling plays in,” Marchiony said. “There was a rule change earlier this year about that, so when the staff realized that he wasn’t supposed to be doing it, they stopped. And that occurred last week.”

Marchiony did not know exactly when the athletic department informed the KU coaches about the change. But regardless of whether it was on Monday morning or on gameday, it clearly put KU in a tough spot considering Dailey had a firm grasp on KU’s offense and had shown solid communication with quarterback Jordan Webb in an upset of No. 15 Georgia Tech on Sept. 11.

It was unclear who took over Dailey’s duties last week. Like many teams, the Jayhawks used their third-string QB, junior Quinn Mecham, who wore a headset and signaled plays. Another member of Gill’s staff also sent plays onto the field in Dailey’s absence.

Despite last week’s uncertainty, Gill said Wednesday that things were looking sharper in that department.

“We need to get the plays in quicker, and we’re doing that,” he said. “We’ve made some adjustments, coaching-staff-wise more than anything, (to make) sure that we can get things done in a better way for our offense to be more productive.”

According to the NCAA rule book, the “Sideline Control” rule states that “the field level is for those who are performing a service associated with action on the field of play and for administration of the game.”

Since Dailey’s official function has nothing to do with the action on the field, he is not allowed to participate actively in the contest.

Or, as Marchiony put it: “The layman’s version of the rule is that you cannot participate in that activity unless you’re a full-time coach. Or a student manager could do that.”

Marchiony said Dailey, as well as others, were within their rights to be on the sideline during games, as long as they were not coaching events on the field.

Because Dailey fulfilled the role for the first two games of the season, Marchiony said KU administrators planned to turn in the infraction.

“We are going to be extra-cautious,” he said. “And we are going to report it to the conference as a secondary violation.”

A secondary violation is defined by the NCAA as one that is “isolated or inadvertent in nature, provides or is intended to provide only a minimal recruiting, competitive or other advantage and does not include any significant recruiting inducement or extra benefit.”

These types of violations are common in college athletics. Some reports have indicated that hundreds are turned in each week. Typically, they are self-reported by a university.

Gill a finalist at NMSU in 2004

In November, 2004, New Mexico State fired head coach Tony Samuel, coincidentally a former Nebraska assistant, and set out to replace him.

Gill, then an assistant at Nebraska, interviewed for the job and was a finalist. Instead of going with Gill, who joined the Green Bay Packers staff in 2005 and later went on to turn around the program at Buffalo, NMSU hired Hal Mumme, who went 0-12 during his first year and was fired in 2008.

Wednesday, Gill reminisced about his attempt to land the Aggies’ job.

“I was one of the finalists, but things work out for the right situation, and I’m glad it’s worked out for me to be at the University of Kansas,” he said. “Any time you have experience, at anything in life, when you get one, two or three opportunities to interview for any job, I think you’re going to feel a little bit more comfortable, and then you also find out what you need to do, what you need to work on.”

Although he did not get the job, Gill said he inquired about what he could have done better, something he has made habit of doing.

“The few situations I’ve had, I actually have asked them, and they’ve been very kind and given me the information that I needed,” he said. “But in most cases they just said that there was another person that fit better.”

Freshman phenoms

If Webb and true freshman running back James Sims continue at the pace they’re on, they will become just the third freshman duo in KU history to lead the Jayhawks in passing and rushing in a single season.

Through three games, Webb has thrown for 376 yards and four TDs to lead the KU offense. In just two games, Sims leads KU in rushing with 175 yards on 37 carries.

The last freshman tandem to lead a KU team in passing and rushing in the same season came in 1980, when Frank Seurer threw for 797 yards and Kerwin Bell ran for 1,114. George Gear (223 yards passing) and Dick Bertuzzi (360 yards rushing) also achieved the feat in 1945.


CatsEatBirds 11 years, 9 months ago

Coach Gill on the mix up:

"First, our whole coaching staff is thankful to the Lord for giving us this opportunity to coach at Kansas University. From that standpoint, we feel we have enough football playing and coaching experience, approximately 275 years worth per se, much of it at Nebraska, to understand the NCAA's rules and things of that nature. Therefore we are self-reporting that we inadvertently had our recuiting coordinator, who honors the Lord and has roughly 49 years of playing and coaching experience, most of it at Nebraska, signal plays and hand out gator-aide, when he shouldn't have been doing all the above and things of that nature per se. We ask forgiveness of the Lord and the NCAA, and strive to honor Him in all that we do, whether here at the University of Kansas or at the University of Nebraska. Amen. "

waywardJay 11 years, 9 months ago

Silly Turner Gill.... 275 years of coaching experience, most of it at nebraska doesn't prepare you for knowledge of the NCAA's Rule book...... It just prepares you how to cheat and not get caught :). And run up the score, from that stand point. Not that we are admiting we ever ran up the score on an inferior opponent, per se. The lord frowns upon things of that nature.

Dan Harris 11 years, 9 months ago

ceb_ Go lick yourself and choke on a hairball loser!

Randy Bombardier 11 years, 9 months ago

Ah, Come on, Gill would never say anything like this. I think he keeps his faith pretty low-key. As far as your handle goes, can I have one of those cats. Our parakeets and cockatiel are really grating on my nerves.

CatsEatBirds 11 years, 9 months ago

I don't like the above picture of Gill and Webb and Dailey. It feels like they're staring at me and they're really mad at something I said...

(does it have to do with Gill-Speak per se?)

Stephen Johnson 11 years, 9 months ago

Ignorant posts don't usually make people people angry. :-)

youowethehawks 11 years, 9 months ago

Jordan Webb knows where you live.... and things of that nature, per se.

jayhawkintx73 11 years, 9 months ago

You don't have to like KU but it proves my assertion that KU fans have infinitely more class than any K-state fan.

Sean Rodger 11 years, 9 months ago

ksu fans care more about KU losing than their own team winning.

Its kind of pathetic really.

yates33333 11 years, 9 months ago

Listen all you K-State haters, they have a lot to be proud of. Most notably they are the only people on earth who can use words while speaking through their bungholes.

Marcia Parsons 11 years, 9 months ago

Welcome back, njjayhawk. You were conspicuously absent the week following our win over GT. "If you can't say something bad, don't say anything at all."

gardenjay 11 years, 9 months ago

....and I would add, you could choose to morp into something more positive.

rockchalk6 11 years, 9 months ago

It sure didn't help us in the SDSU game.

Dan Harris 11 years, 9 months ago

I just ignore Its post, not worth my time.

Randy Bombardier 11 years, 9 months ago

I already hate him. I thought that he was negative when he was azalum, then positive when he was mulaza, but I guess he is just negative all the time.

yates33333 11 years, 9 months ago

Very discouraging. Three games into the season and messing up on sending plays into the game. How many coaches are employed by football at KU? Next question, how many good ones??

Funhawk 11 years, 9 months ago

Wonder whatever happened to Frank Seurer and Kerwin Bell. There was a third player in the Southern California duo, but can't remember his name. These three came with a lot of hype. They could have gone to any college, but chose KU.

Funhawk 11 years, 9 months ago

Yes, Dino Bell, thank you, you have a great memory!

Andy Smith 11 years, 9 months ago

No, you're thinking about Malavasi (mal-adjusted) The son of the LA Rams coach. Dino Bell came a couple of years after Kerwin.

kuhawksr1 11 years, 9 months ago

Frank Seurer is in the Olathe Fire Dept. He fights fires and "things of that nature". "From that standpoint", I don't see relevance to this story. I'm sure he can still fire the ball, "per se", down filed. Hear his son has a canon and can thread the needle from long range ... plays for Olathe South.

jaymar74 11 years, 9 months ago

To say this violation is minor is an overstatement. This is so minor it is off the scale.

Trailshooter 11 years, 9 months ago

Could Dailey possibly be hired as a coach?

bg_duck1 11 years, 9 months ago

Could this "rule" be any dumber? who gives a @#$* who signals the plays in?

Rick Arnoldy 11 years, 9 months ago

Schools are limited in the number of coaches they can have. By signaling in plays he effectively becomes a coach.

khummel60 11 years, 9 months ago

Isn't there a compliance officer who is responsible for monitoring things of this nature? I would think the Athletic Department would have someone full-time for this. Not absolving Gill of all responsibility, but with the state of our AD right now, I wonder if someone just dropped the ball over there (no pun intended).

Regardless, this is so minor it normally wouldn't get much attention, but because Gill is on the hot seat, its going to get blown up.

Just to put this in perspective - anyone remember when Coach Self got his hand slapped for making a passing remark to John Wall (something to the effect of "I shouldn't be talking to you, but good game")? I believe that was considered a typical "secondary violation" - done inadvertently with no intent to gain a competitive advantage. Some coaches actually brag about how many secondary violations they have, as it is considered a sign they are pursuing every angle. (see for a discussion of this). I don't think we have to worry about that happening with Coach Gill.

gardenjay 11 years, 9 months ago

Anyway, I really think we have a great team to root for this season. Rock Chalk!

yates33333 11 years, 9 months ago

Have any of that stuff you are smoking to spare?

gardenjay 11 years, 9 months ago

No, remember we're not on the basketball blog.

bigtex 11 years, 9 months ago

Are you telling me we have only one person prior to So. Miss game that could signal plays into the Qb? This is a D1 program isn't it, wow this reminds me of a player messing up a play and fakes an injury to take the heat off his failure,is this what Gil is doing.

Kevin Studer 11 years, 9 months ago

This season keeps getting more and more embarrassing. Keystone Cops stuff! "Sorry, we didn't know the rules."

superdave 11 years, 9 months ago

Seurer threw for only 797 yards? - it seemed like he had a lot more than that.

Mark Wooden 11 years, 9 months ago

Put the coordinator back on the sidelines. Problem solved.

Mark Wooden 11 years, 9 months ago

I guess I should of comprhended the article more.

Ibajayhawk 11 years, 9 months ago

First they try to blame the O line for not protecting a qb that can't read defenses and gets too confused when defenses are coming hard. Now they are trying to say the plays were too slow coming on the field because they got caught cheating and had to have something else to blame. I recall during the So. Miss game seeing Webb call his team to the line while they were still signaling plays in from the sidelines. Maybe just maybe he might have decided that he knew more about the game than those on the sidelines or in the booth. I say get coaches that can really coach and a qb that is more team oriented.This mess is a team effort lead by goof ups.

bad_dog 11 years, 9 months ago

...the person that uses the Kansas statutory reference to "Indecent Liberities With a Child" as his "losername".

Sorry, Yates. Didn't mean to interrupt and finish that sentence for you.

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