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Realignment Today: What to expect from this week's Big 12 meetings in Kansas City; plus a few of the latest links regarding Big 12 expansion and ACC survival

The Big 12 spirng meetings are scheduled to begin tomorrow in Kansas City, Mo., and although the topics of conference realignment and Big 12 expansion likely will be kicked around plenty by the league’s athletic directors, presidents and chancellors, it seems like a safe bet to predict we won’t see anything like we saw a couple of years ago when former Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe dodged reporters by ducking into an elevator to avoid talking to the media.

I’m OK with that.

There was something pretty incredible about stalking the hallways at The Intercontinental Hotel near the plaza for a few days a couple of years ago, not really knowing what the outcome was going to be. It was a rush and it made the six or seven hours spent there each day fly by.

I don’t imagine that this year’s meetings will be anything like the previous two. Even last year was a little interesting because it was the first since the wild summer of 2010 and we were able to compare and contrast the vibe and mood. That’s not to say, however, that there won’t be some interesting things that happen and are discussed.

As you all know, there continues to be some serious talk about the Big 12 picking up a couple of teams — maybe more — from the now-vulnerable ACC.

Florida State and Clemson have been the two most talked about possibilities, but Georgia Tech, Maryland, Miami and even Notre Dame remain on the radar.

Before diving into some more links regarding what’s up in that part of the world, here are a few interesting soundbites regarding this matter from a few of my Big 12 sources:

Regarding what’s better, 10 teams or 12 or more, in college football’s new scenario with a BCS final four?
“If you’re now a league with 12 or 14 teams, you think you might not be regretting it a little bit? It also means, if you’re a 10-team league and you’re looking to expand, it better be with the best teams out there.”

On the role newly named Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby can and will play until he’s officially introduced as the league’s commissioner on June 15:
“He’ll have to be real active. And with all of his connections and all our needs, I think he really enhances our position. I don’t want to say it’s much ado about nothing, but this is a situation where your conference commissioner just does his job and the rest of us keep doing our jobs and stay informed about everything.”

On the Big 12 keeping its eyes open:
“Our league will always consider all options. We’ve never been in a not-consider position. We like what we have, but we’re not going to be stupid either.”

On the importance of giving West Virginia a travel partner?
“It’s over-rated. They haven’t even brought it up.”

On if the ACC is in serious trouble:
“I wouldn’t go that far, but, yeah, they’re a little nervous right now, I think. And the irony of that is just unbelievable.”

OK, on to some of the day’s expansion talk....

Here’s a solid update on the status of the Big 12-Florida State relationship from Jim Lamar of the Tallahassee Democrat:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/story/2012-05-28/florida-state-big-12-meetings/55249830/1

This Associated Press report clearly spells out where Miami and Clemson stand in this whole mess. The Hurricanes at least are saying they are proud members of the ACC and remain committed to the league, while Clemson, through board chairman David Wilkins, now is on record as saying it would consider a move to the Big 12 if that option were presented:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/acc/story/2012-05-25/miami-committed-acc-clemson-consider-options/55205602/1

Here’s a nice column from Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News, who praises the job that Big 12 interim commissioner Chuck Neinas did to keep the league alive.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/columnists/rick-gosselin/20120525-gosselin-credit-interim-commish-chuck-neinas-for-revival-of-big-12.ece?action=reregister

This one’s a little older, but it’s a solid read and it comes from CBSsports.com’s Gregg Doyle, who says that Florida State moving to the Big 12 would destory the ACC:
http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/19132507/florida-state-was-supposed-to-save-acc-but-instead-its-killing-it

This, too, is a little older, and a lot can change in a week, but here’s Mark Bradley, of the Atlanta Journal Constitution, listing the reasons why the ACC is not doomed:
http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/2012/05/23/is-the-acc-doomed-not-hardly-and-here-are-reasons-why/

That’s it for today. Be sure to check back throughout the week for more. I’ll be over at the Big 12 meetings at least once or twice and should emerge with some interesting stuff. It remains to be seen whether that’s related to conference expansion, the league’s input on the changing BCS or more on the Big 12’s epic television deal.

Stay tuned...

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LogicMan 1 year, 10 months ago

Latest from the boards is that the FSU BoT meets starting today, and that there will be a discussion like what MU's board had just before they moved. CU's board to meet soon too.

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Alan Braun 1 year, 10 months ago

I read the article by the CBS guy, the one that says FSU will kill the ACC. The thing that caught my eye was this quote at the end:

"We knew the Big East would go away, but we also saw the Big 12 getting devoured by some combination of the Big Ten and Pac-10. Sure enough, the Big East became nothing more than comic relief, while the Big 12 was weakened by the losses of Nebraska, Colorado and Texas A&M. " Notice NO mention of Mizzery! Hahaha ROTFLMAO

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KUWorldTraveler 1 year, 10 months ago

I don't really understand no media member has ever noted that we're basically going to an eight-team playoff if things go the way they are.

Four 16-team conferences Two 8-team divisions in each Four conference championship games Those four winners play in a "4-team playoff" that has essentially already had the first round played.

Better get into one of those four conferences quick FSU, Notre Dame, et al. Otherwise you're gonna be left behind.

Chris

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Randy Bombardier 1 year, 10 months ago

Does anyone here know where Matt Connor attended school? He is the editor of SBNation, KC Area. He has twice written articles setting up Dodds as stepping on toes and inferring that there is a power struggle (or there ought to be) between Dodds and a new commish who hasn't even taken office yet. The first time his story was picked up by either ESPN, SI, or Fox. It is editorializing with an attempt to create news. My concern is that people are quick to believe "reporting" like this. I figure he has to be a Mizzu grad.

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Hank Cross 1 year, 10 months ago

Expansion depends on whether the playoff system is between 4 conference champions (favored by P12 and B10) or best 4 (favored by SEC and B12). If the champions format is selected, OU and UT would likely be against expansion b/c it would be another potential trip-up. OTOH, the B12 could ensure that it would always be on of the top 4 conferences by raiding the ACC, which in turn would raid the BE.

The ACC and BE likely have to choose between irrelevancy by supporting the 4 best format and destruction by supporting the conference champion format.

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LogicMan 1 year, 10 months ago

Weird news from KSU's coach -- most members (in TX and OK) do not want a Big 12 championship game, even if they expand to 12. Very strange.

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LogicMan 1 year, 10 months ago

Latest from Greg Swaim is that they will expand by only two (FSU and CU), and the news could come today.

GaTech and Miami not being taken even though they've shown interest.

UT blocking UofL, and no movement on ND for now.

Others saying VaTech to court SEC a day later, maybe with UNC or NCState


DeLoss: Big, big, Texas-sized mistake not to take GaTech! And Maryland as a natural rival for WVU, if they'd come.

"Opportunity knocks but once."

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LeBo 1 year, 10 months ago

No longer collegiate athletics it's semi-pro university competion pool play

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JHWKDW 1 year, 10 months ago

For all the people who think that adding Notre Dame would be a great idea!

Well let me put it in Pro Football terms what it would do to the Longhorn 12!Adding Notre Dame would be like adding another Jeff George on the the Longhorn 12 Conference!Like having a defensive Jeff George on your defense when you have a Jeff George on your offense!The Texas Longhorns are like Jeff George by the way they act!What do I mean?His selfishness and the way he acted destroyed the teams he went to!Texas has also destroyed conferences like Jeff George destroyed teams! Like Jeff George Texas is Selfish,will throw everyone&anyone under the bus to get what they want,and both Texas and George will not play fairly with everyone, in addition many teammates moved on and vowed to never play with him again like Many Jeff George Teammates vowed and never did!Same with teams who hate Texas (Colorado,Tex A&M,Arkansas,Missouri,Nebraska)!

Notre Dame is Toxic folks!I do not care what benefit or whatever you might think you may get it is not worth it!Trust me dont you wish we had taken Arkansas instead of Texas Longhorns?Yeah hindsight is always 20/20,but many of the Big LEast teams that are or will be leaving have vowed to never play Notre Dame again does that sound familiar?Signing a deal with them is like signing a deal with the Devil (No Pun Intended) Let the Big 1G deal with them!

SAY NO TO NOTRE DAME!

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Steve Williams 1 year, 10 months ago

F Notre Dame,, Snag FSU for Football, Georgia Tech for the atlanta market and academics, then UNC and Duke to make the sickest bball conference possible

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Vernon Riggs 1 year, 10 months ago

Big12 Football Division A & Division B Baylor & Texas Christian Texas & Texas Tech (Chancellor’s Spurs since 1928) Oklahoma & Oklahoma State (Bedlam Series since 1904) Kansas State & Kansas (Sunflower Showdown since 1902) Iowa State & West Virginia Clemson & Florida State

Note each division has 2 Texas teams, 1 Oklahoma team, 1 Kansas team, 1 Florida / South Carolina team. Thus equivalent travel and equal Texas/SE exposure

1 annual cross division rivalry game 2 rotating cross division games (one home, one away) 5 in division games 8 Total Conference Football Games

Other Sports in 4 team Pods - Texas Pod, KS/OK Pod, Eastern Pod.

Scheduling is better with 12 teams or 16 teams. 14 teams is more difficult

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BPSkelly 1 year, 10 months ago

While id agree with the concept that the 'football schools' in the ACC would love to join the SEC, the reality is there is almost NO shot at that happening. At least not with the schools that really would want to.

FSU... Florida wont even let this topic get broached in meetings.

Clemson... South Carolina wont let it happen... not quite to the level of the FSU / UF thing. But close.

Ga Tech... Georgia wont go all out to the level the other two above may to block it, but GaTech if im correct left the SEC back in the day. Cant see this at all.

VaTech... im quite sure they'd be interested. Problem is, they waited for YEARS for UVA to open the back door and have them in the ACC. There was TONS of politics involved with this. It's hard for me to see them doing that... unless of course the ACC is falling apart.

My guess is the SEC would have interest in some of these schools. But they dont 'expand' anything by adding teams where they're already the dominant teams in their states. Which is why NC State and VaTech (new states added) are the ones that get the most play with the SEC talk.

I'll also add that if a lot of these schools think / feel like the "annoying little brothers" NOW being in the ACC how do you think they'd feel if they were in the same conference as them? I just dont see it. Why do you think A&M left? My guess is it had more to do with getting outta UT's shadow than it does money.

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JHWKDW 1 year, 10 months ago

I do not know why they are calling this a gloom and doom for the ACC!I still say this is all about the dollars!If any teams in ACC go they will go to the SEC!That report that they are worth a billion dollars is something!If anyone conference needs to be put down like a rabid animal it is that P.O.S. Conference called The Big LEast more the the ACC!I mean someone should take that BCS Title away form them!I'm tired of them stealing teams away from good Conferences!Conference USA is way better than the Big LEast!C-USA or the rest of them do not have a destructive cancer in their conference like the Big LEast has in Notre Dame! In addition Boise State and San Diego State should not do a Ala Carte in what conference the play football!They play football in their conference!It is not like everyone else in that conference doesn't play football!If they join the Big LEast in football they have to join 100% not Ala Carte!They do not want to join 100% to bad!How would you feel if the were for example Oklahoma or Texas and they said well play football in another conference but we still want to play the other sports with you guys!Would you not feel a bit pissed off?

Id Rather See Conference USA or a Mountain West-WAC Merger or both of them get a BCS Shot!Rutgers will also leave the B.L. soon! Boise and S.D. be wise to stay and hammer out something!Heck even the MAC deserves something better than the B.L.!Temple unfortunately will leave for the Big LEast!Im sick of them and that Fat Marinara Prick or whatever that B.L. commissioner name is that guy looks like a loser!

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ahpersecoachingexperience 1 year, 10 months ago

Yeah, why have the meetings in KCMO?!? Do what's right Big 12, move them to Topeka!!!!

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Rock_Chalk_NYC 1 year, 10 months ago

Why meet in KC, Mizzery? There's a conference room or two on the Kansas side...

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Krohnutz 1 year, 10 months ago

OK, so I did this last year with the realignment issue, whereas I posted the mileage to different potential conference opponents, in the much heated debate on where KU was going to end up.

So I am going to do it again this year, but the good news is, this time it is another school that I will be figuring the mileage for.

So let's REALLY see how "far" Florida State could potentially have to travel in the Big 12 vs. the ACC.

First, some notes:

  1. I removed the three potential allies in the move, as it is likely that one or all three could end up moving. So Georgia Tech, Clemson, and Miami are not on the list. I will cover them separately.

  2. The totals and averages include both new members to each conference, but it does not include other potential members (so no UConn in ACC, Notre Dame in Big 12, etc.)

I will chain the totals as replies, so I don't get cut off by a Jaybate seven page rant on biscuits. Hope you feel better Jay, and next time make sure they cook the meat until it is at least pink. Here we go...

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Robert Brown 1 year, 10 months ago

While I believe that expansion for the sake of expansion makes no sense, if the conference has a chance to get a well know football brand, it needs to jump. Adding Florida State and Clemson to get to 12 members will arguably more than make up for the losses of NU, MU, CU, and A&M resulting in an even stronger conference.

Florida State more than makes up for the loss of Nebraska. It has great history, but has been down for a few years. It has an 80,000+ seat stadium and it opens up a huge TV and recruiting area. Clemson, with an 80,000+ seat stadium and a very passionate fanbase makes up for the loss of A&M. It probably brings in some pluses in that the conference already had/has a foothold in Texas and Clemson opens up a new market.

West Virginia has a better athletic program than MU, even if the fan base is smaller. Today, I doubt the Big 12 would have invited TCU. I don't understand why they chose them over Louisville last year, but TCU probably come close to making up for the loss of Colorado.

If the Big 12 can get FSU and Clemson, they should invite and hold at 12 until there is some resolution with Notre Dame.

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FLJHK 1 year, 10 months ago

Does anyone else find it ironic that football is driving the college realignment revenue bus, when it is not inconceivable that football could go the way of boxing in the not too distant future? I think it's possible that the head injury issue could be the beginning of the end for America's most popular sport.

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flyundertheradar 1 year, 10 months ago

Isn't it a little wrong that the Big 12 meeting is in Kansas City, Missouri??

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danmoore 1 year, 10 months ago

The last 2 springs have been a bit tense. As much as I loathe realignment, it's good to see the big12 as a hunter instead of the hunted.

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jgkojak 1 year, 10 months ago

Note: Shouldn't the committee have scheduled this meeting to take place in KANSAS? Don't give the state of Missouri any more B12 business other than Sprint Ctr?

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bradynsdad 1 year, 10 months ago

I agree with texashawk10 about the longhorn network. It has been a bust. If the longhorn network isn't getting ratings then there is no way in hell the sooner network would draw an audience. Make the longhorn network turn into the Big 12 network which would guarantee FSU and probably ND would be begging to join. The BIG 10 network has been very lucrative for those schools. Either way lets expand not die.

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Steve Hillyer 1 year, 10 months ago

If FSU and Clemson want into the B12 it would be malpractice not to take them, at that point you stop at 12 and wait on ND.
Matt- I'm curious to get your read on KU scheduling Colorado, I support not playing MU but now that we scheduled CU I think it makes us look like whiny, petty little kids who didn't get invited to the dance. I think it may confirm this is more about marketing than it is about MU leaving the conference. The conspiracy theorist in me though wonders if KU and MU may not have been working together on something regarding realignment and MU reneged and left KU out in the cold.

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Krohnutz 1 year, 10 months ago

So the last article was pretty much drivel. If you read through it, he pretty much said nothing factual.

I particularly liked the part about "propping up Texas." Because the ACC props up two schools, that makes it twice the conference?

I also find it a little bit of a stretch that the ACC's problems stem from Florida State not being elite for a WHOLE decade (different article). Six billion dollar Duke is unable to afford the facilities or clout to field even a bowl eligible team, and that is somehow FSU's fault? Miami going to the toilet and sailing prostitute boats while adamantly refusing to upgrade facilities is FSU's fault?

FSU is possibly the only ACC school that is typically competitive in all sports. I don't buy his argument.

For the record, it is 1200 miles from Tallahassee to Lubbock, it is 1300 from Tallahassee to Boston. I don't see the travel argument holding water, particularly if their closest ACC compadres come aboard (Miami, Clemson and/or Georgia Tech).

Let me ask the FSU people, "Would you rather say you are excited about Oklahoma and Texas added to your home-and-home schedule on a permanent basis, or are you still psyched up about seeing Syracuse and Pittsburgh coming to town?"

I thought so, the recruits feel the same way.

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texashawk10 1 year, 10 months ago

I'm just waiting for ESPN to cut their losses on the Longhorn Network and turn it into the Big 12 Network. At this point, that seems like the only way ESPN isn't going to lose millions of dollars on that deal as the Longhorn Network is proving to be an epic failure so far.

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Sam Constance 1 year, 10 months ago

I have to admit, while my feelings about the current slate of realignment talks is more optimistic than it was at this time last year (or in 2010), I'm still highly annoyed by all of the realignment and shuffling of conferences.

If teams are going to move, then I'd rather have the Big 12 be on the "winning" side rather than the dissolving side, but I don't like what the Big 12 is doing to the ACC any more than I liked what the Pac-12, Big 10, or SEC were doing to the Big 12 last year.

There is no rhyme or reason to the associations and alignments anymore. It's all about a bottom line and any respect for the things I love about college athletics is nonexistent. Conferences should be about common culture, common geography, common history. As marquee a team as FSU is, it doesn't make a damn bit of sense for them to play in a conference whose primary geographic footprint is the Great Plains and Texas. Just like it makes no sense for us to be playing WVU. At least TCU is a situation where a team is upgrading it's lot in life, and doing so by moving into a conference that makes SENSE for it's location and the types of rivalries that will come to pass as they play in our conference.

Realignment is a sham. If it's going to happen, then I'd rather the Big 12 be on the inside looking out, but it's still offensive to me as a fan of college athletic competition.

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jgkojak 1 year, 10 months ago

There is a pretty clear time-table here: 1) NCAA meets on 6/20 and decides about the play-off structure.

2a) If its the Top 4 teams (not Top 4 conf champs), Notre Dame stays Indy.

2b) If its the Top 4 Conf Champs or some variation (current theory is the Top 4 ranked in the Top 6, if not they can be replaced by an at-large non-champ team) Notre Dame probably has to join a conference.

3) July- negotiations begin. FSU and Clemson probably come first. ND comes in next round with the team of their choice (Louisville, Pitt, Ga Tech- you tell US what you want, ND).

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LogicMan 1 year, 10 months ago

My best guess of what results from the meeting, on this topic:

"The Big 12 will consider expansion to 12 or more members. No institutions have or will be contacted -- any interested and readily available institutions seeking to join the Big 12 should state so publicly."

Then FSU, Clemson, GaTech, UMd, VaTech, NCState, etc. in the ACC all go public with statements "We intend to leave the ACC, and apply for membership in other conferences."

Louisville and Notre Dame du Lac are already on the table.

Then the mad scramble is on between the Big 12, SEC, and maybe the Big 10. ACC is devoured.

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Terran Woolley 1 year, 10 months ago

Well....those reads are very interesting, and all contradict one another. That last one from the Atlanta Journal Constitution is by far the most unlikely in my honest opinion. The guy writing that article just doesn't get the fact that BASKETBALL DOESN"T MATTER. ACADEMICS DO NOT MATTER. IT IS FOOTBALL THAT IS THE PLAYER HERE. Right or wrong, that is what and how it is. Now....if a basketball program would sue the NCAA about releasing ALL the tournament money from the NCAA tournament and distributing it to teams, then BASKETBALL WOULD MATTER.

Just my two cents....

RCJHKU!

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billhawk 1 year, 10 months ago

Good stuff Matt!

If I were on the committee I'd vote to wait on the Golden Domers to make a decision; possibly after the new BCS playoff announcement next month. There's no need to go to 12, but if ND and FSU were both willing it would be too good to pass up.

IF Notre Dame joins a conference in the next year or two I'm convinced it will be with the Big 12 (3rd tier TV rights). That would be a home run. No need to expand unless its a home run (or at least a triple).

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