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Tuesday, July 17, 2018

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Tom Keegan: David Beaty could leave scholarship situation roughly same as one he inherited

Kansas football head coach David Beaty speaks during NCAA college football Big 12 media days in Frisco, Texas, Monday, July 16, 2018. (AP Photo/Cooper Neill)

Kansas football head coach David Beaty speaks during NCAA college football Big 12 media days in Frisco, Texas, Monday, July 16, 2018. (AP Photo/Cooper Neill)

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Frisco, Texas — Fourth-year Kansas football coach David Beaty revealed Monday that 39 scholarship players were on the roster when he took over the program in December of 2014.

By scholarship players, he meant athletes who came to KU on scholarship, not those who came as walk-ons and earned free rides.

It’s a startling low number, all right, but it doesn’t speak to whether Beaty has improved the scholarship situation via his management of recruiting, left it about the same or made it even worse.

The number, the best I can tell, includes just one Beaty recruit, Texas A&M; transfer LaQuvionte Gonzalez, who was dismissed from the program for nonfootball reasons after playing one season.

The 39 names appear later in this column. First, let’s try to estimate how many players Beaty or his successor will have in the spring of 2019.

It’s tough to estimate because there is no way of knowing how many players with remaining eligibility will leave the program for a variety of reasons ranging from career-ending injuries to academic deficiencies to dismissals to a desire to move closer to home to frustration over playing time and/or losing.

One way of trying to estimate is by using the same number that left after 2017.

That number is 13, although one, Taylor Martin, participated in spring football.

The other 12 who were listed on the roster a year ago had remaining eligibility and aren’t on this season’s roster: Shola Ayinde, Charles Baldwin, Isaiah Bean, Antonio Cole, Josh Ehambe, Chase Harrell, Bobby Hartzog, Travis Jordan, Ian Peterson, Tyriek Starks, Kenyon Tabor and Justin Williams.

Player turnover generally is a little higher in seasons where there is a coaching change, but let’s not assume that here and keep the number at 13.

Based on names now on the roster, Kansas could have as many as 50 players in spring football: 11 rising sophomores, 14 rising juniors and 25 rising seniors.

Subtract the estimated 13 players who will leave for a variety of reasons before spring camp and KU will have 37 players.

Add the three offensive linemen from College of San Mateo who said in the spring they intended to play football at Kansas (as blueshirts) and the number grows to 40, one more than Beaty had in his first spring.

Once spring football 2019 starts, compare these 39 names from the spring of 2015 to the names on next spring’s roster, if program policy at that time includes updating rosters as they change, a departure from the current way of doing business: Greg Allen, Kellen Ash, Courtney Arnick, Jacob Bragg, Taylor Cox, Montell Cozart, Darious Crawley, Michael Cummings, Ronnie Davis, Joe Dineen, Josh Ehambe, Kapil Fletcher, Gonzalez, Ben Goodman, Bobby Hartzog, Keyon Haughton, Tyler Holmes, Ben Johnson, Lay’Trion Jones, De’Andre Mann, Larry Mazyck, Schyler Miles, T.J. Millweard, Damani Mosby, Derrick Neal, Anthony Olobia, Tre’ Parmalee, Tyler Patrick, Bryan Peters, Marquis Roberts, Tevin Shaw, Jordan Shelley-Smith, Fish Smithson, Colin Spencer, Tevin Shaw, Kent Taylor, Kyron Watson, D.J. Williams, Devon Williams and Daniel Wise.

The 49 players now listed on the roster who have eligibility beyond 2018, listed by their 2019 season classification:

2019 seniors: Hakeem Adeniji, Jelani Brown, Dayton Charlot, Julian Chandler, Codey Cole, Hasan Defense, Foster Dixson, Evan Fairs, Denzel Feaster, Kevin Feder, Antione Frazier, Elmore Hempstead, Khalil Herbert, Elijah Jones, Mike Lee, Kyle Mayberry, Willie McCaleb, Clyde McCauley, Jeremiah McCullough, Shaq Richmond, James Sosinski, Carter Stanley, Najee Stevens-McKenzie, Bryce Torneden and Andru Tovi.

2019 juniors: Kenny Bastida, Earl Bostick, Malik Clark, Cam Durley, Davon Ferguson, Quan Hampton, Chris Hughes, Kyron Johnson, Azur Kamara, Miles Kendrick, Dru Prox, Stephon Robinson, Kyle Thompson and Dom Williams.

2019 sophomores: Kenny Bastida, Jay Dineen, Joey Gilbertson, Corione Harris, Jacobi Lott, Ryan Malbrough, Jalan Robinson, Robert Topps, Nick Williams, Pooka Williams and Tekulve Williams.

Dealing in reality, one must conclude that Beaty has made a scholarship situation that seemingly only had one way to go (up) neither better nor worse during his three and a half years on the job.

Comments

Jeff Coffman 3 months ago

I like the research...an additional reason for an interim to be named. The shifts will be k own and less turnover. Plus the coaching search can begin.

Brian Wilson 3 months ago

The assumption is flawed. with 85 scholarship players allowed, which you rarely have, means the turnover rate will be about 22 players per year. So on average the most players a school returning is 62. Assuming you lose 13 players each year, that's an average of 4 players per class up to their Senior year. So according to your assumption, that would mean on average over time the remaining original Senior Class would have about 13 players, Juniors 17, Sophomores 21. That is a total of 51 players. Which is very close to what you just listed.

This is why when you have 85 scholarship spots to fill and more than 25 scholarships available with a limit of 25 to give away per year, you had better give all 25 scholarships away and fill the holes.

But the point here is supposed to be whether Beaty leaves us in a bad spot. Weis chased a lot of the good players out of town. IMO, the players Beaty inherited were duds and in the first year we had to add 60 walk-ons just to get by. IMO, the quality of players in the current program is improving, the number of returning players is not that far out of line, and so a new coach will have a slightly better group returning which means Beaty is not leaving us in the same position as Weis.

Bryson Stricker 3 months ago

Very safe assumption that 13 players are going to leave... very safe.

Owens Smithson 3 months ago

You're right. It could be a lot more with a coaching change.

"David Beaty has everything going for him except for winning football games" - Bryson Stricker

Ilmfaooo, but other than that, how was the play, Mrs Lincoln?

Bryson is banned on phog.net for threatening/harassing behavior. Not a good way to get your name out there.

Mike Hart 3 months ago

Owens, who’s cares? ANy thoughts on KU football or just Bryson?

Kevin Robert Fest 3 months ago

You are so pathetic Bryson. Threatening/harassing behavior AND you make a joke about it. Tool.

Bryson Stricker 3 months ago

a guy asked me where i wanted to meet him when he comes to lawrence and i said wherever.. i dont think thats threatening kevin.. that website is filled with idiots even more idiotic than yourself lol.

Bill Kackley 3 months ago

Tom you are mentally ill. My mother always told us if you couldn't say something good about a person don't say anything. That is a lesson you should learn. Your continuing to hurang on Coac Beaty is small and beneath the dinity of a good sports editor.

Kevin Boone 3 months ago

Tom isn't paid to pamper anyone. Beatty deserves everything he's getting. His seat should be on fire!

Jim Stauffer 3 months ago

Well said, Bill. Enough is enough. Time to let this year play out. But Tom is invested in Beaty's failure. Think what Tom's life will be like if Beaty is successful this year and retained and extended by AD Long?

Doug Longstaff 3 months ago

Bill, you broke your own mother's rule by calling Tom, "mentally ill."

Lawrence McGlinn 3 months ago

Journalism would be pretty useless if you could only say good things about people. That is like journalism in China or Turkey or Russia. Keegan may annoy you, but I don't think we want that. The only good thing I see about retaining a coach with a 3-33 record is that the administration has incredible patience. No coach above D-III has ever gotten a 4th year with that kind of record.

Aaron Paisley 2 months, 4 weeks ago

There's nothing wrong with being critical of Beaty for his failures as head coach, but Keegan has chosen the low road to be critical of Beaty by twisting facts about recruiting to drive a false narrative. Keegan then got butthurt and turned up the personal nature of his attacks after being called out by Beaty specifically in the spring.

I have no issues with someone being critical of Beaty because of his performance, but Keegan has made this website a very toxic place because he chose to be toxic when writing about Beaty instead of staying professional in his criticisms of Beaty's performance.

Steve Quatrocky 3 months ago

Keeg's we get it, you dont like Beaty but you are over the line, especially with the headline on this article using "will leave". You arent doing anyone, especially the program any favors with the daily bashings of the head coach. If you have strong personal feelings, send a letter directly to the new AD but you are partially responsible for the abysmal program and lack of success in recruiting. I guess you'd be happier if he filled the scholarships with a bunch of none, one or two star players like Gill did, causing Charley to have that initial mass bloodletting to make room for his highly publicized free agents?

Imagine you are a 3 or 4 star recruit that has already visited power programs, then you get to Lawrence and see facilities where you are going to spend the next 4-5 years of your life that arent even as nice as some of the Texas High Schools, then they start reading your articles undermining and writing off the head coach. You may think you are a supporter of the program but because your articles are premature, you are making things worse, almost ensuring a crappy season, another coaching change, more than the avg 13 departures and another rebuilding plan. Oh boy, cant wait, when does Basketball season start again? Yawn

Steve Quatrocky 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Well at least you had the headline changed to "could leave", but a real fan may be critical but is supportive right up until the coach is no longer there.

Mike Hart 3 months ago

I am waiting for an article from Tom where he has actually directly talked to or interviewed Beaty or Long, and convey to us their direct thoughts and assessment to his questions. What is the problem? Will they not grant you an interview? Just the same old hypothetical, speculative garbage. Let Long assess and do his job... and stop trying to do LOng’s job for him. Here’s an idea: Spend your time working on getting an interview with JEff Long. Once again, this article serves no purpose. How about we wait until Long and Beaty actually physically meet face to face for he first time? The title of this article having “Will Leave” in the title is uncalled for. That is Long’s job to make that determination, not yours. As a reporter, try having direct conversations WITH the people you speculate about?

Lance Cheney 3 months ago

Directly talking to the coach doesn't do you any good when he doesn't give straight answers. It took us 3 years to find out the scholarship situation when Beaty arrived, and who knows if that's even accurate? He's been all over the place when it comes to that topic.

John Fitzgerald 3 months ago

Good work on the research, Tom. It appears 2020 will be a down year for KU football based on scholarship players alone. I know right...down year. As if we aren't already in a down decade.

John Fitzgerald 3 months ago

Also, I'm not sure why people get offended by this article or most of Tom's articles in general. He's simply pointing out the obvious. And I like Beaty. It's tough to see him go through this because he is a good guy. But based on the last three years and looking at what the future under him looks to bring, I've lost all respect for him as a coach. I do respect him as a person though, know that. Maybe he'll surprise us all this year though. I'm hoping so.

Steven Haag 3 months ago

I truly hope that if Beaty is let go, over 1/2 the players transfer. Hull won’t stick around. We can be even worse. Then we can see how long it takes ol Keegs to ask for the next coaches head. Most of you Beaty haters started whining in year two.

John Fitzgerald 3 months ago

You hope the program fails if Beaty is fired? Beaty...is that you?

Chris Spangenburg 3 months ago

Well that's real bright. So because we have to let a likable coach who hast 40+ games in four years go, you'd like to see the next coach fail also? You're one of them real men of genius aren't ya?

Ryan Ferree 3 months ago

WTF is this comment? Wow, KU does not need fans like you.

Brian Larkin 3 months ago

Tom, your colleague just posted an article two days ago saying that Beaty had 28 players as of spring ball ahead of his first season:

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2018/jul/16/david-beaty-ku-football-was-down-39-scholarship-pl/?football

So the appropriate comparison is 28 when Beaty started versus 50 less anyone that leaves the program as of spring 2019. I know you struggle to find anything positive related to KU football, but the current talent on the team, albeit still inadequate to compete in the Big 12, is an improvement from what Beaty had inherited from Gill and Weis.

Every fan has the right to be frustrated with this team, but we are not professional journalists with an obligation to cover the KU football team, no matter how poorly that team performs. Venting your frustration article after article and mentioning Beaty's win total in every one of them (which we are all aware of) is not "holding Beaty accountable" - at this point, it is just sounding unprofessional and disrespectful. For the many fans on this website that don't find constant Beaty bashing as honest reporting, good journalism, or however else you try to justify your constant negativity, I would love to see you write one article on how the team could take a step forward this year under Beaty.

Chris Spangenburg 3 months ago

39 when he was hired ... 28 by spring ball. so no, it's not a bad comparison

Brian Larkin 3 months ago

Not sure you're following Chris. He had 39 when he was hired, and 28 by spring ball. That's what DB inherited. The expected numbers at the end of this season are 50 (which then compares to 39), and IF we lose 13 players, we'd have 37 (which compares to 28). A stable program would have 50-60 at this point, but there's an important difference between 28 and ~40 scholarship players when trying to rebuild.

As mentioned by others here as well, the caliber of those players are very different than what Beaty inherited.

Brian Wilson 3 months ago

You are spot on Brian. KU currently has 49 and is about 6 to 7 players short of a stable roster. Which by the way, Beaty's first true recruiting class are now Juniors. And so we are still one year away from that. I find it hard to included his first year when he had to recruit leftovers. Hopefully Beaty will have a near winning season and get a big recruiting class next year. At which point, KU's stable should be close to full.

Clarence Haynes 3 months ago

These self serving ad infinitum articles are like beating a dead horse! I was okay with one or two but to do this day in and day out can't be exciting for the players to read and have some resemblance of motivation. Let the first part of the season play itself out and then see what happens.

Lawrence McGlinn 3 months ago

If they are looking to newspaper articles to get motivation they are in big trouble. Fortunately, I don't think most of them read the paper, but they probably see it on social media. Most successful coaches and athletes thrive on negative stories. It is bulletin board material.

Clarence Haynes 3 months ago

They read more than you might give them credit for.

Michael Maris 3 months ago

I don't wish failure upon any Head Coach that takes over the reigns of Kansas Jayhawk Athletic Programs. It is up to the respective coaches to show their worth and value. That being said, I really like Coach Beaty. But, it truly appears that his tenure is not working out for him. Not that he's a bad person (or even a WR's Coach). There seem to be a lot of fans (on this site) that were thrilled (including myself) when Coach Beaty was brought back to Kansas as the WR's Coach.

New AD Long is correct, the mindset of the fan base needs to change. And, winning cures all (unless you're an AD with an Agenda, such as Lew Perkins). It just seems that Kansas Football can't seem to get any direction. When, the programs has a winning coach, there seems to be a conglomerate of fans / boosters who hate the Head Coach (because he doesn't rah rah rah with the boosters / fans they way they want the HC to do). And, when a losing coach is hired, the media and fan base are right on their tail (as well) to run the losing coach out of town ASAP.

So, what's the solution? I know that the Ohio State Alumni and Fan base are not exactly big fans of their current HC. He's seen as a Pompous A$$. But, they're not running him out of town (right now), because he WINS. So, Alumni / Fan Base, you can't have it both ways. You're going to have to figure out what you want your football program to be. Otherwise, ditch the football program and Big XII, and join the B-East Conference for Basketball purposes.

Jerry Ryan 3 months ago

Hoping & wishing for failure of any one coach or program is a little over top even by today’s standard. Tom and his minions will not stop their “resistance”. Tom can’t get an interview with anyone that cannot will provide some dialogue pertaining to KU Football because he has burned all of his bridges while trying to win his petty vendetta.

Thomas Green 3 months ago

Did the headline of this article actual change from “will leave” to could leave”? Or do some commenting here simply have no reading comprehension whatsoever?

As for the article itself, I’m pretty sure Tom Keegan is paid to write articles, correct? It seems to me this particular article came about after Beaty’s comments at Media Days. Apparently those statements made by the coach had not been mentioned previously. So, after hearing them, why wouldn’t a journalist evaluate them? The claim by the head coach was put out there and by inference it seems he was making the case for how the coaching staff has improved those numbers. Does it not warrant evaluation by those not involved?

I’m not a journalist and I know this is just sports, but it is the role of journalism in our society that checks leaders when they make statements. I find such extremely important in a democracy. Surely Beaty has to realize when he makes statements as he did, it’s going to be looked at.

All of that said, I still enjoy the comments from everyone even if some of them are different than the way I see it and may not be logical!

Clarence Glasse 3 months ago

Yes, the headline did change from "will leave" to "could leave."

Tim Orel 3 months ago

When you want to see this answer here or on other sites, check out the URL. In this case, the URL says "will-leave".

Galen Holston 3 months ago

Give it a break. Your campaign of negativity is wearing thin. How about we let the season play out and let new AD Long do his job without your input. Save your crap for your BFF kietzman.

Mike Hart 3 months ago

Yes, indeed. Tom changed the title of the article from "will" to "could". The numbers are in no way comparable in 2019 spring ball to what Beaty had. The recruits we had this year are almost all 3 star... with 2-3 4 star recruits.. .and just a couple of 2 star recruits. The 28 players (not 39) that Beaty had in spring ball in 2015 were certainly not that caliber. Worst-case scenario... the 50 players projected in 2019 minus 13 deserters.. leaves 37 players, most of 3 star variety... which is 11 more than what he inherited. Benton Smith at least talks to the players.. interviews the players. Tom's articles are generally self-sourced, as apparently he doesn't get many interviews with the coach, AD or players themselves.

Stephen H Hadley 3 months ago

What if 2018 is a break through year for HCDB, say 4 or 5 wins? If he gets to that level, I don't see a coaching change. We should know something by his performance in the non-conference.

[''] 3 months ago

The ONLY way he gets an extension is if he has a winning record this year. PERIOD!

Mike Hart 3 months ago

From the article: "Add the three offensive linemen from College of San Mateo who said in the spring they intended to play football at Kansas (as blueshirts) and the number grows to 40, one more than Beaty had in his first spring." No, once again, that is incorrect. He had 39 the day he walked into KU offices in Dec 2014. He had just 28 in his first spring... the difference is 12, Tom.. .not one.

Mike Greer 3 months ago

So, if I've read many of the comments correctly, the problem with the football team isn't the coach, it's the sportswriter. Wow, how's that for accountability, the guy who's responsible for the continued downward spiral of the football team doesn't even work for the University of Kansas. I'm impressed.

Bill Kackley 3 months ago

Most people dont knock Tom for writing a negative article. There is no doubt the program has been below any fans standard for many years, it's just that it is over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again tha we object to.

Bryson Stricker 3 months ago

I think it'd be crazy if we ended up redshirting some guys this year to even out roster numbers. I think we should all email beaty and suggest this to him because all of us with our mid to midhigh level salaries have all the answers and he's clearly ignoring our roster situation.

Kevin Robert Fest 3 months ago

Why don't you just call his cell phone Bryson, we all know you have the number. Or just go over and talk about it over dinner. It's Wednesday what does KUFB serve for dinner on Wednesdays?

Andy Godwin 3 months ago

I might have missed, but when is Matt going to start a series on the 10 possible candidates to replace Tom Keegan as the local sports columnist?

Owens Smithson 3 months ago

  1. Greg Allen 2. Dorance Armstrong 3. Courtney Arnick 4. Kellen Ash 5. D’andre Banks 6. Bazie Bates 7. Jeremiah Booker 8. Jacob Bragg 9. Taylor Cox 10. Montell Cozart 11. Darious Crawley 12. Michael Cummings 13. Ronnie Davis 14. Jacky Dezir 15. Joe Dineen 16. Josh Ehambe 17. Denzel Feaster 18. Kapil Fletcher 19. Joe Gibson 20. LaQuvionte Gonzalez 21. Ben Goodman 22. Chase Harrell 23. Bobby Hartzog 24. Keyon Haughton 25. Tyler Holmes 26. Larry Hughes 27. Ben Johnson 28. LayTrion Jones 29. Corey King 30: Ke’aun Kinner 31. De’andre Mann 32. Taylor Martin 33. Larry Mazyck 34. Clyde McCauley 35. Schyler Miles 36. Tyrone Miller 37. Emmanuel Moore 38. Damani Mosby 39. Derrick Neal 40. Osage Ogbebor 41. Marnez Ogletree 42. Anthony Olobia 43. Tre Parmalee 44. Tyler Patrick 45. Bryan Peters 46. Jayson Rhodes 47. Shaq Richmond 48. Marcquis Roberts 49. Tevin Shaw 50. Jordan Shelley-Smith 51. Steven Sims 52. Will Smith 53. Fish Smithson 54. Colin Spencer 55. Joshua Stanford 56. Carter Stanley 57. Jace Sternberger 58. Brandon Stewart 59. Kent Taylor 60. DJ Williams 61. Devon Williams 62. Ryan Willis 63. Daniel Wise

The list above does not include the following players who were likely provided scholarships and never showed up:

  1. Aaron Garza 65. Timmy Hamilton 66. Quincy Perdue

Sources: official Kansas football roster cross referenced with rivals recruiting

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