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Tuesday, April 30, 2013

Texas prep Myles Turner turning heads

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The most-watched player at the 2013 Jayhawk Invitational led his Texas Select team to the tourney’s 17-and-under title last weekend in Olathe.

Myles Turner, a 6-foot-11, 225-pound junior from Trinity High in Euless, Texas, who has Kansas University on his list of schools, scored 10 points in Sunday’s 47-35 title victory over the Illinois Wolves. Scouts from KU, Baylor, SMU, Texas, Texas A&M and many others flocked to New Century Fieldhouse for Texas Select’s games.

“Honestly, I didn’t get to see much of him,” said KC Run GMC coach L.J. Goolsby, busy coaching his own squad, which fell in the quarterfinals. “I saw him last week in Minneapolis (Minn.). He’s improved his skill set (since last summer), runs the floor well, has great size, is very active, most definitely (a highly-rated prospect).”

Turner is ranked No. 78 nationally by Rivals.com.

“I’m still in the process of getting to know the coaching staff at Kansas,” Turner told jayhawkslant.com. “Pretty much every Big 12 school, with the exception of West Virginia and Iowa State, has offered me. I’m looking for a family relationship with the coaching staff and my teammates. Distance isn’t really a factor. Wherever I can thrive and develop is where I really want to go.”

The Run GMC 17-and-under team has a top prospect in Dominique Collier, a 6-1 junior point guard from Denver East, who is ranked No. 61 nationally in the Class of 2014. Also on the squad is 6-3 Free State High junior Khadre Lane and Creighton commit Ezra Talbert, 6-6 junior from Olathe East.

The Run GMC 16s, which placed second, attracted a batch of scouts to watch the likes of Jimmy Whitt, a 6-foot sophomore point guard from Columbia (Mo.) Hickman High, and Kevin Puryear, a 6-7 sophomore power forward from Blue Springs (Mo.) South.

“Jimmy is a long, lengthy guard who can score,” Goolsby said. “He gives a combo flavor at the guard spot, has a good mid-range game and is a good defender. He’s a good athlete.”

Creighton and Wichita State have reportedly offered scholarships, while other schools, such as KU and Missouri, have taken notice.

Of Puryear, Goolsby said: “He’s skilled, aggressive. He can step out and knock down shots. He plays really hard.”

He’s a target of Creighton, which is after several KC-area players, with KU, Missouri and Oklahoma observing him closely of late.

The Run GMC 17 team also has Drew Lock, a 6-3 sophomore shooting guard from Lee’s Summit (Mo.) High, who has a football scholarship offer from Missouri.

Package possibility: ESPN’s Dave Telep writes that four top juniors have talked of playing together in college

Telep writes: “If you’ve been following my notebook all winter, you know about the potential package of No. 1 junior Jahlil Okafor (6-10, junior, Chicago’s Whitney Young) and No. 2 junior Tyus Jones (6-1, Apple Valley, Minn., High) playing for the same college. Justise Winslow, a fellow top-10 recruit in 2014 (6-5 small forward Houston’s St. John High), has been mentioned as a possible third member. But now, how about a quartet? On a phone call this week a college coach told me that Jones is recruiting No. 8 junior Cliff Alexander (6-8 forward Chicago’s Curie High) to join the crew. ‘Tyus is the ring leader. They all want to play with him,’ the coach said.”

KU has been mentioned as a possibility for each of the four, though Alexander told Rivals.com that Kentucky, Michigan State and Illinois are his leaders.

Offers?: Rivals.com reports that KU has offered Elijah Thomas, 6-10 sophomore from Dallas’ Prime Prep Academy. He’s ranked No. 10 in the Class of 2015. Rivals says KU also has offered Jared Terrell, 6-4 junior from Brewster Academy in Wolfeboro, N.H., who is ranked No. 57; and Abdul-Malik Abu, 6-7 junior from Kimball Union Academy in Meriden, N.H., who is ranked No. 50.

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moonlightschlademan 1 year, 3 months ago

Interesting decision making for coaching staff on timing offers early to sophomores. For the can't miss prospect, it seems justified, but where do you make the cut-off? It would be interesting to know the typical percentage of offers that are accepted at different schools along with the process of rescinding offers or conditional offers if another player passes to play elsewhere.
It seems like Self has been the master of navigating the ever-changing world of injuries, transfers in and out along with late signees to keep a full roster of talent on the court for practice and games.

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Joe Joseph 1 year, 3 months ago

Gee, I wonder where the quartet of prep elites will end up....

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Steven Mathew 1 year, 3 months ago

Anyone's guess...Fort Hays State?

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texashawk10 1 year, 3 months ago

Get real, they're clearly going to be Pitt St. Gorillas.

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akgjenkintown 1 year, 3 months ago

What is the point of listing a bunch of schools. The quartet will ultimately play for Calipari's NBA developmental team in Lexington.

It is time for the NBA to expand their minor league and stop using the NCAA as their developmental league for student/atheletes who have no interest in a college education. College basketball is the only sport that allows players to enroll in school, play for an entire season, but only attend classes for a semester. What happened to the true meaning of being a student/athlete. Basketball programs like UK would not exist if the NCAA penalized schools whose students do not at least finish one year of college.

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bennybob 1 year, 3 months ago

The NBA has no incentive to do that. The OAD rule is here to stay.

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dehawk 1 year, 3 months ago

How about this. School must prove both attedence and mid term grades for the spring semester otherwise player can't play in the NCAA tourney.

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Steve Gantz 1 year, 3 months ago

Or go back to the previous season and if their OAD's, or any player who declared for the draft didn't complete the semester, then penalize them.

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NebraskaJayhawk 1 year, 3 months ago

They really need to go back to not having the OAD rule at all. Let kids jump to the NBA if they are ready coming out of H.S. So what if some fail. This keeps the system more honest than it currently is by far.

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Robert Brock 1 year, 3 months ago

You need to write or call the NBA Players Union. It's their rule...and they like it.

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aerohawk 1 year, 3 months ago

The NCAA could just reinstate the rule that doesn't allow freshman to play. Tell the NBA as long as the OAD rule is in effect, freshman don't get to play. The NBA can still do what they want but they won't be able to get a free year of scouting at the expense of college BB.

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Benz Junque 1 year, 3 months ago

So what if some fail? Nice for you to be so cavalier with the NBA team's money. The rule is in place to give teams an extra year to evaluate players. My guess is that it will bump out to 2 years at the next opportunity.

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nb4ku 1 year, 3 months ago

I would have to disagree with your statement in regards to an extra year of evaluation. Look at some of these kids, ala Xavier Henry & Selby. They didn't prove a darn thing in college and were still drafted high. The NBA drafts on potential, period.

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nuleafjhawk 1 year, 3 months ago

higher than he SHOULD have been..........

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Mike Bratisax 1 year, 3 months ago

"Nice for you to be so cavalier with the NBA team's money"

The NBA has more than enough money. They make it by having half the league make the playoffs and over-charging for tickets.

The OAD is a joke..If the NBA wanted extra time to evaluate players than draft them for the D-League.

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deepind 1 year, 3 months ago

It won't because the players' union will oppose it vehemently!

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Benz Junque 1 year, 3 months ago

The APR heavily penalizes schools when the students do not attend second semester. If that was happening at Kentucky, they would be banned from postseason play. Get off the blanket rants.

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akgjenkintown 1 year, 3 months ago

If the student withdraws from classes on time (April date), then they don't have second semester grades and there is no penalty regarding the APR. The players that declare are not going to classes after the season ends, they are with trainers getting ready for the draft.

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Mike Bratisax 1 year, 3 months ago

Not true..The Lexington Herald-Leader reported that the University of Kentucky basketball team had compiled its worst GPA in eight years and the worst among the school's varsity sports during the fall semester. Included in the stark academic reality was the fact that two players finished with GPAs of 1.667 and 1.765 in their fall semester.

Under NCAA rules, players in their first year of college need only to pass six credits in their first semester to continue to play. It's not until they complete their entire freshman year that the minimum GPA kicks in.

In other words, a one-and-done player could conceivably be a none-and-done player: Play an entire season, bolt for the NBA and have all of six credits to show for the effort.

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Brett McCabe 1 year, 3 months ago

Maybe the NCAA is the one who should step in.

For any player who departs with less than three years of involvement, the program loses that scholarship for the remaining years up to three. So...an OAD costs you a scholarship for two additional years. A two-year, costs you a scholarship for one year.

Asking student-athletes to stay in school for through their junior years is a reasonable compromise. It puts them within a single year of earning their degrees and it brings stability to the athletic program. Add a stipend for players based on need as a kicker.

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okiedave 1 year, 3 months ago

Your proposal is reasonable, but it isn't the school which decides a player is OAD in one or two years, it is the player who makes that decision. I say penalize the player. The NCAA and the NBA should make an agreement that no player can be drafted unless he satisfactory completes 60 hours of class room instruction. Better yet -- no bachelor's degree, no draft.

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Kyle Rohde 1 year, 3 months ago

You're missing the point - Kingfisher's idea is possible without the NBA's involvement. Yours isn't. The NBA isn't going to change its early entry rules anytime soon, especially not when the most powerful voices in the sport came right out of high school (LeBron, Kobe, Dwight Howard) or were one-and-done (Durant, Westbrook, etc.).

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bballfan34 1 year, 3 months ago

westbrook played 2 years at ucla

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Jack Wilson 1 year, 3 months ago

It is purely an NBA rule. It is not an NCAA rule. And I think Kingfisher's suggestion of theses sort of penalties is ridiculous. You take away scholarships because a kid turns pro? McLemore develops into a guy that has a chance of a lifetime and you're going to dock KU a scholarship for year because of it? McLemore is the good part of the story. He wasn't a presumed, for sure, OADs that just go to college as a pit stop. There's a huge difference.

But there are already rules for schools whose players don't leave in good academic standing -- see UConn missing the tourney this past season.

How about this .. a wildly out of the box thought .. let someone make a living. Don't have any rule about when a kid is eligible for the NBA draft. That would solve the OAD issue to a large extent as Wiggins, Randle, etc. would just turn pro.

But it's an NBA deal. They benefit more by seeing a kid play a year in college so they restrict their job market by a wildly corrupt collective bargaining agreement (aren't they all) that restricts non-members from being able to compete.

In a perfect world, I agree with Kingfisher's goal of three years in school. Like the baseball rule -- you could be drafted out of high school, permitting a player to make a living if he can. But if not, you're not eligible for the draft until after your junior season if you choose to attend a D-I institution.

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Steve Gantz 1 year, 3 months ago

I don't have time to figure out these rules, but college baseball is full of players who were drafted and decided to go to college instead. Why is college basketball different?

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Jeff Kilgore 1 year, 3 months ago

Yeah, and the NCAA is the passive partner, if you get my drift. The fact that 18 year-olds can fight in a war or be executed of a capital murder, but can't buy beer or choose to play professional sports shows how decadently weird our lives are today. What a screwed up bunch of idiotic rules.

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lurkerhawk 1 year, 3 months ago

Shhh. You're making too much sense!

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Brett McCabe 1 year, 3 months ago

The reason you take away the scholarships is to reduce demand. The top 20 or 25 guys won't be as sought after if they are viewed as two scholarships, not as one. This would almost force the NBA to eliminate it's rule and, as drgnslayr suggests, get things back in order where kids can come out for the draft right out of high school. And go to college if it doesn't work out.

Any organization, whether it's the NCAA or a privately-held company has to have rules that make its operations manageable. The OAD option is having a negative impact on collegiate athletics by creating too much turnover, wasted recruiting dollars and time, etc.

My suggestion, as ridiculous as you think it might be, puts the responsibility back where it needs to be: collegiate athletics.

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dylans 1 year, 3 months ago

I would be OK with losing one scholarship next season due to McLemore's greatness and 2 of 3 years down. And it would stop UK's recruiting style. But Bill will put forth a contender every year regardless.

It would only really hamper teams that sign more than one OAD per two year cycle. Not a problem for most honest programs.

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jaybate 1 year, 3 months ago

"All of this tells me the NCAA is in bed with the NBA" -- slayr

Not only in bed, but fornicating.

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Jeff Kilgore 1 year, 3 months ago

Yeah, and the NCAA is the passive partner, if you get my drift. The fact that 18 year-olds can fight in a war or be executed of a capital murder, but can't buy beer or choose to play professional sports shows how decadently weird our lives are today. What a screwed up bunch of idiotic rules.

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Mike Bratisax 1 year, 3 months ago

I wouldn't say ridiculous..but the school has the least power in this current set-up.

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aerohawk 1 year, 3 months ago

Instead of taking scholarships, just make a rule that in the NCAA a player isn't eligible to play until he is eligible for the draft. Crazy, yes, but also possible without any cooperation from the NBA.

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oldalum 1 year, 3 months ago

(Edit: I put this response in way back following the original suggestion for losing scholarships for a one-and done.) But that penalizes the school who takes a kid who plans (or says he does) to stay two or three years, and then he ends up declaring after his freshman year. Now the school is without him, plus they are down one scholarship for two more years. And the kid goes merrily on his way. Schools are already suffering because of the unpredictability of trying to recruit for the next year when they have no idea how many places they have to fill. Don't punish them more.

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Mike Bratisax 1 year, 3 months ago

Yeah..a good idea but okiedave has it right. It is not the schools doing that determines when a player leaves.

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Matt Bowers 1 year, 3 months ago

Kingfisher and Okie, I totally agree with where you are coming from and would love to see the limit increased from OAD. However. These kids tend to be poor and have a lot of people in their ears. If we eliminate the OAD, then that benefits the university and their bottom end, it also benefits the NCAA (which we all know are greedy bastards).

To be fair. I think you need to drop the OAD and let these kids join out of high school and put a two year limit on college play. My biggest concern is that if you make them stay, the chances of them getting injured and having a career ending injury increase. If that happens, they are left with nothing. We should think first about what is best for the athlete and then move forward.

Great discussion and one that needs to take place more often.

Rock Chalk

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Brett McCabe 1 year, 3 months ago

You must think that Bill is next to God. He's a world-class coach and recruiter but he can't commit recruiting suicide by making such proclamations. And you are asking too much of any one school to do the same. Perhaps if you got a commitment from and entire league, you could get somewhere.

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aerohawk 1 year, 3 months ago

Exactly, it is an arms race and you have to play if you want to be competitive. That is whey the recruiting is trending towards younger and younger kids, each school wants to get the jump on the others.

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Jeff Kilgore 1 year, 3 months ago

You and I agree, Grouch. What are we most interested in? Short term success or a sport that is not ruined by stupid, incomprehensible rules? If no one takes a stand, then we have the same crappy system.

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edmondjayhawk 1 year, 3 months ago

FYI.....Westbrook wasn't a OAD....played two years at UCLA.

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Glen Miller 1 year, 3 months ago

The NCAA is pocketing money from the NBA for going along with this, you know they are. Nothing will change as long as both parties keep lining their pockets. This is an unfortunate situation that puts Universities at risk academically. You have to have good players to compete and often times those good players leave early or don't focus much on academics. You can't punish the school by reducing scholarships because of a rule they have no control over. Ever University has to deal with the issue, some just aren't good enough or choose not to mess with OAD's.

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nuleafjhawk 1 year, 3 months ago

I firmly believe that they should allow kids to jump to the NBA directly out of middle school.

High School is vastly over-rated.

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Steve Gantz 1 year, 3 months ago

You ought to be a comedy writer for Letterman or someone, or maybe you already are!

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Kevin Huffman 1 year, 3 months ago

If those 4 all wanted to go to UK then at least 4 would be having to be coming out next season.

I could see An. Harrison & Randle for sure & if Wiggins ends up there him.

Who would be the 4th - Aar. Harrison, J. Young, Poythress, Cauley-Stein, Dakari Johnson?

Somebody's NOT going to get the play they were hoping for and will stick around to next year.

Would suspect Wiltjer might as well stick around for his Sr. season. And whoever gets less minutes between Aar. Harrison or J. Young would be wise to stick around.

If Wiggins does NOT go to UK, then pretty much a GUARANTEE that Poythress would leave after next season.

Ok, so....they can do it.

If they truly DO want to do that, KU would not be an option. Only have room for two more as it is. I guess 4 would be possible if BOTH Selden & Embiid were OAD's.

****I like how on My. Turner, it's like every Big XII school but ISU & WVU! :)

Would seem with that being the case that BU, KU & OSU would be the favorites what with being the best currently & in recent last season or two as well.

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Alex Peekeaton 1 year, 3 months ago

Don't have to worry - these 4 aren't going to Lexington as a group. Cal already has Towns signed for 2014 class and has Mudiay, Booker, Stanley Johnson, and Trey Lyles are Cal's priorities for next year. Either Duke or Michigan State would be the likely choice for that group.

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texashawk10 1 year, 3 months ago

Coach K is probably 2nd or 3rd in terms of churning out OAD's. Calipari clearly has churned out the most and I don't know if Roy or Coach K would be #2 in that category.

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Kevin Huffman 1 year, 3 months ago

Was there a common theme to their coming up short in '09 - '11 in the Tournament prior to winning in '12?

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Kevin Huffman 1 year, 3 months ago

I don't know how K gets those 4 AND Kevon Looney (out of Milwaukee) who he's making no misgivings for seemingly being the MOST enamored with.

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Steve Gantz 1 year, 3 months ago

A side to this story that isn't being talked about are these AAU teams. They're playing in tournaments all over the country. The kids are in high school. Who's footing the bill for these trips? Look up the schedules some of these teams have. It's insane. I understand the need for kids to need exposure. Some regulation of the whole flesh market called the AAU needs to happen if it hasn't already.

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Tony Bandle 1 year, 3 months ago

"..Turner turning heads.." , who writes these headlines at the LJW....Dr, Suess??!!

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bad_dog 1 year, 3 months ago

Linda Blair wrote this one...

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Jack Wilson 1 year, 3 months ago

Turner turns heads; he turns heads to the left; he turns head to the right; he turns heads with all his might; that's the Turner that turns heads left and right. - Dr. Suess

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coloradojayhawk 1 year, 3 months ago

All the angst over whether students go pro - I think if there's going to be a change to require more than a year, then the schools have to also guarantee their scholarships will be in effect for the length of time required. That would prevent a school from trying for OAD's like Kentucky and when the kids don't go pro as expected (like this year) Kentucky can't just flush students from their roster to make room for the next crop of OAD's. The players could be dismissed from the team for cause, like violations of university policies that would get them dismissed from the school, but it would need to be something more serious than just missing a team practice or some other excuse that is trumped up to get the player out of there. I wouldn't mind the scholarship being funded by some other university source, like, for example, the phys-ed department at the same terms as the athletic department, but right now the player who isn't a OAD is totally at the mercy of his coach as to whether they get to continue their education.

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Tony Bandle 1 year, 3 months ago

The only thing that will change the OAD Rule is that somehow it starts to hit the NCAA in the wallet i.e. some school dominates recruiting and goes on a UCLA Championship run thus hurting ratings and attendance, or a huge scandal of infractions is discovered, or some coach shows an incredible amount of unethical behavior, or........

OOPS!!!.....I think I just described Kentucky!!

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texashawk10 1 year, 3 months ago

The OAD rule is an NBA rule so the only way it will change is if the NBA comes up with a better alternative. The NCAA has no say in the OAD rule and if the NCAA had their way, I'm sure they would require every kid to go to school for 4-5 years and graduate

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Kevin Huffman 1 year, 3 months ago

That's funny...that's exactly what I was thinking!

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Dee Shaw 1 year, 3 months ago

If Kentucky is involved recruiting these kids, it's over. Pen it. Kentucky bound.

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kucapcity91 1 year, 3 months ago

Has Ben signed with an agent??

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jaybate 1 year, 3 months ago

Proposed: assign the top 5 players each year to WWW and Cal; then no one has to waste time recruiting them.

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Kevin Huffman 1 year, 3 months ago

Yeah, while KU is listed as one of Mudiay's schools I think they're making ZERO effort in trying to get him even though you could argue he'd be PERFECT for us. Starting to wonder if it's the same way with Duke.

The only chance I think we have with a recruit who lists Duke or Kentucky is if while the player has them on their list, for Duke or Kentucky that player is seen as a "fall-back" option in case they don't get their primary recruited target....unlikely to happen for UK....MAYBe for Duke. Such I would argue is the case for Josh Perkins. Seemingly, his No. 1 is Duke, BUT among the schools that he has on his list they're the only one to not offer and they've made no secret that they WOULD be interested if they can't get Tyus Jones. We're most likely No. 2 on his list. Thus, in some small way I'm actually rooting a little bit for Jones to go to Duke.....HOPEFULLY, SHOULD net us Perkins.

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dubby14 1 year, 3 months ago

How is it possible that all these Sophs. in High School are receiving all these scholly offers when it is not even legal to contact them until June 15 following their Soph year?

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hawkmoon2020 1 year, 3 months ago

Saw today that ESPN now has Embiid ranked #6 on their final 2013 rankings. Pretty frickin' amazing.

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