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Originally published December 14, 2012 at 01:08p.m., updated December 14, 2012 at 09:11p.m.

KU football lands two more juco standouts, one high school receiver

Fort Scott Community College cornerback Kevin Short, who, Friday, Dec. 14, orally committed to play football at Kansas University next season.

Fort Scott Community College cornerback Kevin Short, who, Friday, Dec. 14, orally committed to play football at Kansas University next season.

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Add another junior-college All-American to the list of Kansas University football commitments in the Class of 2013.

First-team NJCAA All-American Kevin Short, a cornerback at Fort Scott Community College, joined the party on Friday by orally committing to KU.

Short, 6-foot-2, 185 pounds, chose the Jayhawks over Arkansas, Houston, Louisiana Tech, LSU, Mississippi State and Syracuse.

The three-star prospect becomes the third cornerback — and fourth defensive back — in the 2013 class to commit to Kansas, joining juco standouts Isaiah Johnson, Dexter McDonald and Cassius Sendish.

Safeties coach Clint Bowen was the lead recruiter for Short, who hails from Florissant, Mo., and, this season, became Fort Scott’s career leader in interceptions with eight.

“Me and coach Bowen got to be real close,” Short told Jon Kirby of JayhawkSlant.com. “He always called me and stayed in touch. You could tell he cared and he will take care of me.”

Short will graduate from FSCC in May and report to KU this summer.

Short was not the only prospect to make a commitment Friday. The Jayhawks also picked up pledges from two wide receivers. Garden City C.C. wide receiver Rodriguez Coleman, a 6-foot-3, 195-pound three-star prospect who had originally committed to Cincinnati, gave the nod to Kansas, and Friday night, JayhawkSlant.com reported that Holmdel, N.J., high school wide receiver Ishmael Hyman, a 6-foot, 169-pound three-star prospect, had chosen KU.

Coleman, according to JayhawkSlant.com, had planned to make his way to Cincinnati after his two-year juco stint, which began at Fort Scott. However, a few weeks ago, Coleman reopened his recruitment and schools like KU, K-State and others started to call.

Bowen also was the lead recruiter for Coleman, who canceled a weekend visit to Kansas State and, despite recent interest from new Tennessee coach Butch Jones, formerly at Cincinnati, seems solid with the Jayhawks.

“Coach Bowen did an awesome job recruiting me,” Coleman told Kirby. “He came in and got to know me well. I felt like he got to know me on a personal level and not just about football.”

Wide receivers coach Rob Ianello was the lead recruiter for Hyman and the prep standout told Kirby that the recent flurry of commitments to KU inspired him to finalize his own. Hyman was also considering Old Dominion and Purdue and said he plans to sign with Kansas in February and report to campus next summer.

Friday’s three additions bring the number of oral commitments in KU’s current class to 22 — 15 juco prospects and seven high school athletes.

Of those junior-college players, three — Coleman and Short, along with four-star defensive tackle Marquel Combs, who tapped KU earlier this week — began their college careers together at Fort Scott. The upcoming reunion was not lost on Combs, the leader of KU’s #DreamTeam2013 Twitter movement, who hit the social media site on Friday to celebrate the news.

“I got both of my dawgs with me at KU,” wrote Combs, referencing Short and Coleman. “Just like (the) Fort Scott days!”

Comments

gdkadjayhawk 2 years ago

The early Christmas presents just keep coming. Ty McKinney, please sign on the dotted line this Wednesday!

Chris Bailey 2 years ago

Ty Mckinney is already committed. He'll enroll in January. He signed last spring. Check his twitter account.

Brian Skelly 2 years ago

I wonder what is the most JUCO guys KU has ever signed to a class. This has to be amongst the most if not the most I recall. Hopefully they all can be reasonably productive and get this thing rolling.

Lucas Town 2 years ago

I think we are up to 14 right now. I remember when Ron Prince recruited heavily on JUCO players. It didn't work out so well for him. I just looked at KSU with 5 JUCO, ISU with 3 JUCO and WVU with 4 JUCO players signed and they have recruited the HS ranks much better than us so far. Hopefully Weis knows what he is doing.

John Boyle 2 years ago

Those places are all filling in a few missing pieces. KU has to fill in at almost every position so Weis is going after mature guys that can play right away.

Micky Baker 2 years ago

Just so you know, the college that one of the OLineman and QBs that Turner Baty came from were recruited to Iowa State. They did this same thing, how did it turn out again?

Bob Forer 2 years ago

"I remember when Ron Prince recruited heavily on JUCO players. It didn't work out so well for him"

True. But you also need to remember the guy that came before him. His initial efforts, which ultimately transformed the worst Division I football program in the country into one of the best BCS programs in the country started by recruiting a boat load of JUCO players.

Only time will tell but it appears Weis, in landing some JUCO All Americans, is not only a better football coach, but a better judge of talent.

KGphoto 2 years ago

Gotta say, I've been a little down on Bowen for the special teams play, but he continues to show his value. Hopefully a lot of these guys will not only strengthen the defense/offense, but will help close the talent gap on said special teams.

Matt Tait 2 years ago

Check out the updated version of the story with these guys' quotes about Bowen. He did some major work to get these two.

Daniel Kennamore 2 years ago

Hey Matt,

OT but are you working on a 'realignment today' about the Big East disbanding?

Matt Tait 2 years ago

If the recruiting stuff slows down I may be able to do something for early next week. Right now, though, these commitments are the top priority, especially as long as there's nothing directly impacting the Big 12.

KGphoto 2 years ago

Nice. I guess we keep him eh?

Reuben_J_Cogburn 2 years ago

Holy crap they're over 6'1.

It's a Christmas miracle.

Ron Prichard 2 years ago

I sense Reuben is coming around. Slowly, but it's there. Kind of like the fan in the bar who refuses to cheer but is wearing his lucky t-shirt under a non-descript sweatshirt.

Reuben_J_Cogburn 2 years ago

Like Randy Quaid in Major League II.

You're on to something.

Suzi Marshall 2 years ago

hey ralster....you think this team will compete for the Big 12 Championship this Fall? Maybe 7-2 for an upside potential?

Boouk 2 years ago

Max upside in conference play is 4-5. WVU, KSU, and TTU are all very winnable, but it'll be very difficult to win any other conference games outside of those.

ltownatrain 2 years ago

They just keep jumping on the Rock Chalk Express....next stop....I don't know but it has to be better than the past three years.

Phog4ever 2 years ago

Hope we can get and keep all of these Juco guys academically eligible. We haven't exactly had stellar results with Juco recruits. At least we know academics are important to Charlie and he will stress that with these guys.

Matt Tait 2 years ago

I think your last statement hit the nail on the head. It's always a concern, but I don't anticipate it being much of a problem, if at all, on this coaching staff's watch.

hawkdds 2 years ago

Impressive list so far, now lets get some pipelines started to top ranked high school programs that churn out 3-5 star players annually.RCJH

Dirk Medema 2 years ago

This was CW's plan from the vey first presser. A few more HS'ers next year, and so on. HS players take longer to develop, but so does recruiting them. So much more relational than JC's.

Boouk 2 years ago

By the way, this isn't the first time under Weis KU's beat out LSU for a recruit. JUCO DE Andrew Bolton chose us over LSU, Iowa, and Mississippi State.

MN_Jayhawk39 2 years ago

I'm not worried about the high number of JUCO recruits in this class. These guys are looking for an opportunity to make an instant impact and KU is looking for guys who can make an instant impact. If we can have a significant improvement with the Wins and Losses next year we will catch the attention of the stud high school guys. I'm guessing this year will be heavy JUCO, next year will be 1/2 JUCO and 1/2 high school guys, with the number of JUCO guys declining each year as the program improves. K-State, WVU, and even ISU have more established programs and don't have the immediate need for the JUCO players. Another plus, is a lot of the JUCO players will be here for spring ball.

MN_Jayhawk39 2 years ago

With that said, of the 6 scholarships left I would still like to see about 3-4 more high school guys in this class.

Dirk Medema 2 years ago

Hyman's done, and def agree on the others.

Lucas Town 2 years ago

True, but I feel like we are running out and grabbing guys with stars and high rating numbers behind their names and think it will fix our problems. Snyder finds those guys that fit his program and coaches them up. Can Weis do the same or is he hoping their own abilities will get the job done. I think Weis is doing what he thinks will help us win which is what's important.

Brak 2 years ago

I don't understand why you feel this way, maybe if you elaborated a little more about what it is in these guys you don't think will fit HCCWs system? What is it about HCCW that makes you think he isn't coaching up the players? Sounds to me like you need to stop listening to your Kstate buddies and figure some stuff out on your own.

BringBackMark 2 years ago

C'mon, we just blew 5 scholarships on fifth year transfers (5 star guys) that had little to no impact to the program. Those same scholarships could've been given to freshmen, red shirt them, and they now would have 4 years remaining in the program. Couldn't have been worse than 1-11.

This is a big gamble with the football program. If almost all of these kids don't pan out and we win soon, the lower classes will be decimated in another year.

jhox 2 years ago

One and 11, Jaykan7. It can't get much worse than that. We need immediate help. I say do what we have to do to turn this ship around quickly.

Lucas Town 2 years ago

One more thing, I have heard from some K-State fans (so called friends of mine). Weis is trying to follow what Snyder did at K-State to a point that KU is trying to be like K-State. Just reporting what I am hearing. I am really hoping we can beat these guys next year.

texashawk10 2 years ago

Do you not remember Weis' introductory press conference? "Why is KState 10-2 and KU 2-10?" Weis is trying to do what is necessary to win and in a state that lacks HS talent, JuCo players are how you have to build up a program. I'm not saying the state of Kansas doesn't have any HS talent, but there's nowhere near enough talent to stock one, let alone to major college programs. Bill Snyder figured it out early on, Mark Mangino relied on JuCo players early on in his tenure so yes, recruiting JuCo players is the best way in a state like Kansas to build a football team. There is a risk of recruiting too many JuCo players, but we need to see how it plays out before making a judgement on that.

MN_Jayhawk39 2 years ago

I'd be interested to find out how many JUCO guys Snider took when he first started at K-State when he took over the worst program in college football.

Reuben_J_Cogburn 2 years ago

Pop Quiz

What was the biggest problem in the passing game this year? A. Inept Quarterbacks B. Short WR's C. Poor Routes D. Dropped Passes E. All of the Above

Actual question, just out of curiousity.

Mike Barnhart 2 years ago

The SLOW WR's come a close second to REALLY, REALLY bad QB's.

texashawk10 2 years ago

Give me a 5'10" WR who runs a 4.6 40 but runs great routes and can find holes in zone defenses over a 6'3" receiver with 4.4 speed, but doesn't know how to run routes worth a damn. Height is a good quality to have, but not the most necessary one to be a great WR. Route running and good hands are the two most important qualities a WR can have.

MN_Jayhawk39 2 years ago

-texashawk10 - Percy Harvin proves your point. The dude isn't big, but runs great routes and finds ways to get open.

Joseph Kuebel 2 years ago

IHHHHH- Wrong, Percy Harvin had a ridiculously fast 40 time.

Bville Hawk 2 years ago

Wes Welker might be a better example...

Displayhawk 2 years ago

Passed up Methzzouri and Iowa State on Rivals Team Rankings! Nice thing about the JUCO boys is that the high-schoolers they have recruited this year can redshirt and get bigger, faster, smarter, etc. We have all seen what the coaching staff can do with the talent they had, they are miles ahead of where they were during the Turner Gill regime. These JUCO guys know they are getting coached by NFL coaches, using NFL schemes.

Dirk Medema 2 years ago

Trojan - 22 with Hyman, tho 27 was before Patmon said he was moving on, and CW said he is graduating.

Mike Barnhart 2 years ago

K-State's current Fiesta Bowl roster is loaded with JuCo's. Don't expect all 15 to play. I'd bet four or five don't ever set foot on campus, another four or five will be lazy and a few more will redshirt. Best guess, four of these guys will start and two more will contribute. That's actually a pretty big deal!

ahpersecoachingexperience 2 years ago

"Just like the fort Scott days" I sure hope fort Scott can beat Rice!

Micky Baker 2 years ago

Just so you know, Dexter McDonald's team beat Coleman's team 84-13 this past season. But Coleman was 3rd best in receiving yards per game in the NJCAA.

Boouk 2 years ago

Combs, Rodriguez, and Short were by far their 3 best players. Check ESPN's scouting reports on them if you don't think so.

Micky Baker 2 years ago

Kansas has now passed West Virginia and Iowa State as well is two former foes, Mizzou and Nebraska in this year's recruiting class. Up to Number 34, an improvement from number 48 two days ago.

Dirk Medema 2 years ago

and 60 or 80 someting at the end of the season when many peeps were sqirming.

Micky Baker 2 years ago

after Rivals added Hyman, it moved up to 33. To put this in perspective, OU is 22. Baylor is 26.

Hawks58 2 years ago

Another great pick up in Hyman. This recruiting class is shaping up rather nicely!

Boouk 2 years ago

With Hyman committed and 5 scholarships left, I'm thinking at least one more DE (hopefully Chris Martin), S, and LT(hopefully Josiah St. John) all capable of contributing immediately. Maybe use the other two on another WR and field-goal kicker.

David Robinett 2 years ago

by any chance does Bruce Kallmeyer have a son?

Mark Lindrud 2 years ago

People may not like hearing the KState way, but there's a reason Snyder has been successful. This doesn't mean we need to do this every year,but we need to do it for now. Obviously as we get not successful, we won't be go after JUcO players as much, but getting a majority of them will help for the time being. I don't care who you have to emulate to win as long as it brings success. Now it's time to coach them up and make them winners.

Boouk 2 years ago

With Patmon gone and Hyman committed, do we have 5 or 6 scholarships still left?

Dirk Medema 2 years ago

people continue to ref 27 spots, which was CW's comment pre-Patmon. I think we have 6 left with Hyman bringing us to 22.

machinegun 2 years ago

Coach Weis and his staff have worked hard all year. They are doing an outstanding job recruiting. The sky is the limit.

MoralVictory 2 years ago

Ultimately, who cares where the players come from? If you can reload successfully every year out of the Juco ranks, then why not do it? I understand that the idea of having long-term players in the program but I don't really care if we sign 25 a year from Juco's as long as the numbers can be managed, there is success on the field and achievement in the classroom.

Mark Lindrud 2 years ago

Agreed and besides we have signed a few freshman already and am sure we will get a few more. We have to do what's needed to win.

Dirk Medema 2 years ago

There is no early signing period for FB, aside from JC's in December, so no HS players have signed yet. Just commits.

hawkdds 2 years ago

With the quality of players coming in don't be surprised if there are more defections which will open up more scholarships, but Charlie will not run anyone off, its not his style. He is very loyal to his players regardless of their ability. On a jump ball I'll take the 6'3" over the 5'10 every time. Have you noticed how many 6'8'' tight ends are suddenly showing up and are good hands guys, both in the pros and college..

Adam McEwen 2 years ago

I think we are gonna punch some people right in the mouth next year. What else ya got for us Charlie?

mikehawk 2 years ago

This is a "try to get some wins now" dice roll, and it is kind of our only play. The program is so far down and the lack of bunches of decent to good players to compete at Big 12 level (or, as it turns out, at Conference USA level, either) leaves this as the only option to have a chance to win some games next year. Did somone say 7 and 2 next year? Surely you jest or somebody has been deep into the Blue Eggnog already. Accusations of copying Snyder at KSU? Who cares? Teams in the NFL are built on copying success from other teams. Snyder has had past success with the JUCO route, he now only has a few in the mix and the rest are 4 year players. Got to start somewhere, and this is where you have to start with current state of our program. I predict three wins next year. Four wins next year equals massive upgrade. Six and a bowl, we are talking Big 12(10) Coach of the Year. High end JUCO players with grade, character, maturity issues in your rear view mirror...come on down. Right now, we don't have any street cred with high end high school boys.

Bville Hawk 2 years ago

Snyder still recruits lots of juco players. Have you looked at this year's 2 deep roster???

Stephen Johnson 2 years ago

Ok. Here's my take. With HS players you really don't know if they can compete at the D1 level. They are unproven and most of them need a year at least with a strength and conditioning coach to be able to perform at this level. Juco players of the caliber of the guys we are signing can step right on the field and compete in the BIG12. BANG! As far as academics, it's not just Juco players that can fall out here, high school players can struggle as well. I am super pumped about the class HCCW is putting together.

MoralVictory 2 years ago

JUCO players also have experience going to college classes, going away to school, participating in collegiate athletics, etc. It would seem that the wash-out rate would be lower overall.

2008KUGrad 2 years ago

For you fans who are saying we win 3 or 4 games if we're lucky, you are out of your mind. We will be bowl eligible in 2013. Mark my word. I know we're coming off a 1-11 season, but we had a handful (at least 5-6) very close games, that could have swung our way. We very well could have been 4-8, 5-7, or 6-6 this year, with a couple lucky bounces vs. Texas, TTU, OSU, & even TCU (if we would have capitalized on their 5 or more turnovers.) Don't forget the non-conference games to Rice & NIU. At times, our defense look much improved, with 1st & goal for our opponent & the Jayhawks stuffing them 4 times to leave the drive scoreless.

With that said, adding these JuCo players will be a wonderful upgrade. I am hopeful the QB & WR game will be a complete 180, as it can't get any worse than it was this year. I am not worried about our running backs, they're the reason we were in all those close games. I follow these new commits on Twitter. They're hungry to be the factor in turning this program around. They're excited & cannot wait to get on the field. They absolutely hate kstate, already (if you've read the tweets kazzou fans have been sending to our recruits, you can see why.) These players, especially Combs & Jenkins-Moore & tough & excited to get here. They even tweeted out a picture of our stadium, saying how awesome it is...when all we (fans) do is criticize it.

I am sure some of the recruits won't work out, one way or another, whether it's on or off the field issues. However, with a completely different feel to our offense & defense, & the competitive nature of the current team & coach staff, & adding in these recruits who want to live up to the dreamteam2013 motto, we will suddenly forget about the past 4 seasons very soon. Rock Chalk!

Casey Gee 2 years ago

I know we had some close games, but I think we were further from having 6 wins than you are admitting. I know you can count up 5-6 games that were at least in striking distance, but you don't come off 3 years as bad as KU has had and simply start winning every close game. These players we have here have been part of a losing culture and haven't learned how to close out games. That's something that takes time.

I think it's good that you're so optimistic, but I really don't think you can say somebody is out of their mind for believing next year's team will win 4 games. If that happened it would be a sign of huge improvements. Right now, I am predicting 3-4 wins and I will not pick anything higher until I see some vast improvement out of this team. I think we're moving the right direction, but for me I am going to keep my optimism under control based on how bad I got burned the past 2 years.

MoralVictory 2 years ago

I jumped on hype bandwagon last year - so I'm trying to be more realistic for the upcoming year. However, we must win all three non-cons to start the season. Texas Tech looks like a winnable game, so we could start the season 4-0. Unfortunately, that might be as good as it gets. As much as I desperately want to believe we can do better.

4 wins would be a solid step forward next year.

Boouk 2 years ago

WVU and KSU are two very winnable home games next season. KSU loses Klien, Aurthur Brown, both starting CB's, Tuggle, and Chris Harper.

KGphoto 2 years ago

Yeah, Snyder reloads almost effortlessly. However, the loss of Klein is huge. That kid is a force that they won't be able to replace next year. He really carried that team the last two years. They will be good, but not AS good.

Boouk 2 years ago

If you think the guys KU has coming in won't make a difference, you're crazy.

DocPossum 2 years ago

Watch the spring game before making any win-loss projections. Charlie, Dave, Rob are making KU known all around the country. We need more bodies and weapons and we are getting them. Recruiting rankings don't mean much and aren't final until February anyway. Beating K-State at their own game obtaining JUCO talent is great, but beating them on the field will only be better. Holsapple will whip anyone we get into shape. Receivers who can catch will be a big improvement! (Sham)rock Chalk Jayhawk!

Micky Baker 2 years ago

If they rated based on fulfilling the needs of the team, KU would be rated much higher.

pizzashuttle 2 years ago

Good point about filling the needs of the team. That's what used to drive me crazy with Mangino and Gill. With Mangino we needed LB's and DT's and he couldn't sign them. With Gill we needed DT's and he couldn't sign them. Then we'd get obliterated at those positions and get crushed in games. Good to see this coaching staff filling positions of need instead of just pulling in players at positions where we already are OK. Also good to see them recruiting nationally vs. regionally like Mangino and Gill.

W Keith Swinehart II 2 years ago

We have an intelligent and hard working coaching team. I believe they CAN coach. Plus, we have an AD in support. Can't ask for much more.

soapisurfriend 2 years ago

Chris Martin just committed. I talked to a coach today who said Martin was enjoying his visit and expected him to commit before the weekend was over, and he did. So there's that.

troutsee 2 years ago

Yes, Martin, a 4 star D end just committed.

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