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Saturday, November 5, 2011

Keegan

Close loss won’t change opinions on KU, Turner Gill

Kansas head coach Turner Gill bemoans a missed field goal during the second quarter on Saturday, Nov. 5, 2011 at Jack Trice Stadium in Ames, Iowa.

Kansas head coach Turner Gill bemoans a missed field goal during the second quarter on Saturday, Nov. 5, 2011 at Jack Trice Stadium in Ames, Iowa.

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Kansas coach Turner Gill talks to reporters following the Jayhawks' 13-10 loss to Iowa State on Nov. 5, 2011.

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— The guys wearing KU ballcaps and blue coats, the coaches, wanted to win the game played Saturday in Jack Trice Stadium on the campus of Iowa State. So did the players wearing nameless jerseys and a “KU” on their helmets.

They were disappointed when it didn’t happen, when the Cyclones scored a 13-10 victory against a Kansas University football team that has lost seven in a row.

Yet, a thought hung in the brain and looped all day: Would the average Kansas fan, hooked to a lie detector and answering in the affirmative when asked if he or she really, really, really wanted the Jayhawks to win Saturday, pass the test?

Publicly, of course, even if hiding behind an anonymous screen name, all would claim so. Who knows? Maybe a victory could have changed some minds about the state of KU football, but it’s doubtful.

The unsightly fashion in which Big 12 competition dominated the Jayhawks the previous six weeks seems to have left the majority of the fan base already checking out on the Turner Gill Era and investing emotions in the search for the next football coach. When will it happen? Who will it be? Which winning coach who lost his job for alleged mistreatment of a player is the favorite? Is it Mike Leach, the offensive genius, or Jim Leavitt, the defensive disciplinarian? KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger knows both men well.

After Saturday’s loss, Gill answered questions of another sort in a room probably about the size of the one Adam James was sent to by Leach during a Texas Tech practice.

The questions sent Gill’s way centered on a pair of fourth-down decisions he made. The first came midway through the third quarter. After Jordan Webb lost a yard on third-and-goal from the 1, Gill decided to let Ron Doherty kick the field goal, rather than go for it on fourth-and-goal from the 2. If that’s seven points instead of three, maybe Kansas wins, 14-13.

“I felt like we should have run it up the middle there,” said KU’s all-purpose man D.J. Beshears.

Me too. Twice with Toben Opurum. If The Fridge can do it the Super Bowl, Opurum could have done it in the Big 12 last-place game.

Gill also was queried about the decision to punt rather than go for it on fourth-and-11 from the 19 with less than three minutes remaining. He said if it had been fourth-and-6 or fourth-and-7 he would have gone for it. Tough to argue with that, though it didn’t work because the KU defense couldn’t get the three-and-out it needed. Jordan Webb was sacked for a 6-yard loss on third down.

Webb would have loved to go for it, which makes him no different from any offensive player ever to play the game, but he would have decided otherwise had he been wearing Gill’s headphones.

“I understand because they were the side that was hot today,” Webb said of the KU defense. “We weren’t as an offensive unit. We weren’t doing what we needed to do and he had to put it in the defense’s hands because they were.”

Wrong call, right call, whatever. Gill didn’t lose this game, and based on how the outcome wasn’t a blowout for a change, he hasn’t lost his team.

Sophomore running back James Sims, forever a team-first guy, stood behind his offensive line and his coach when talking about the game. He was more disappointed in losing a fumble than in gaining 50 yards on 11 rushes.

“We were trying to bounce back from the Texas loss and the offensive line said they were going to do a better job and that’s what they did,” Sims said.

The 43-0 loss to Texas was the most complete a drubbing of so many one-sided KU losses and begged the question of whether the Jayhawks’ spirits had been irreversibly broken. How did that not happen?

“Coach Gill’s motivation got our minds of last week and on the week ahead, on getting better,” Sims said. “And I feel like we got better today, as far as moving the ball. We’ve just got to punch it in the end zone. I can put some of the blame on me, fumbling going into the red zone. I’ve got to take care of the ball there. I’ve got to have ball security going in there.”

Their spirits weren’t broken and the gameplan was sound, but playing better won’t change minds. Staying close in a game that looked about how a game should when a ninth-place team plays a 10th-place one won’t sway opinions. Even if it didn’t register as embarrassing, it doesn’t change the three-word summary of the Gill Era: Not good enough.

Comments

Mike Anderson 2 years, 5 months ago

Pose a question ... how much of an impact on this team would it be to have a decent (not great) defenisve coordinator from the start of Gill's tenure until now?

Would it have been a huge positive?

Would not matter?

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jayhawk1975 2 years, 5 months ago

Under Mangino's first year KU won only one game, but at the end of his second season KU had won 6 and went to the Tangerine Bowl. Terry Allen's second year KU won (I think) 5 games. Glenn Mason had a greater task, but after 3 years KU went to a bowl game. My point is this: yes back in October many KU fans were demanding Gill's firing, yet I was trying to be optimistic. Had KU won last Saturday's game at ISU, defeated Baylor, Texas A&M (both whom are starting to struggle), and misery (a rivalry game - anything can happen) they would have finished at 6-6 (at such I would KNOW Gill needs to stay). Now the best they can hope for is 5 wins. What Gill needs for any HOPE to secure his job is to blow out Baylor, Texas A&M, AND ESPECIALLY traitor misery (which I know is a big must). If they lose to Baylor the best KU can hope for is 4-8 which is not good enough. Gill really set himself up in the beginning of the season announcing that the team is much better and faster. To some degree of offensive yards maybe, but when it counts in the end of W-L one more (or even less than) win from last years debacle demands Gill's removal - and I like the guy (he would be an invaluable assistant coach who is a very good recruiter).

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boknowssports 2 years, 5 months ago

oh yea, as for the "cupboard bare" theory, last year he had 15 returning starters from the previous year. He lost that team with his coaching style and now this years team is even worse. in case you do not read these articles, several weeks ago he talked about how the defense gets in 6 tackles per practice, then they go to two hand tag to work on their technique..... is that the recipe for hard hits, and a nasty defensive attitude? a team takes on the persona of its coach. we have a soft coach....soft team...

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boknowssports 2 years, 5 months ago

yea the buffalo players were probably responsible for his pathetic record there too....

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Mike Anderson 2 years, 5 months ago

The loss of this game lays squarely on the shoulders of the players - not Gill.

There are enough "gill haters" out here who no more can understand the state of KU football. The only thing they can see are the wins and losses - which is idiotic. Based on Saturday's play it is even more evident that at the JR/SR level KU does not have the talent nor does it have players who are going to go out and get a win. This was a game that should have been won on the will of the players - simple enough. It is an attiude that "I'm not going to lose no matter what" - and they didn't play that way. Take the 4th quarter the drive that set IA St up for the field gold that won the game. There were 5 or 6 missed open field tackles by key players on this team. At some point the players have to step up and play. They should have set the attitude early on with hard hits and a nasty defenisve attitude. They play football like some teams play a zone defense in basketball.

You can dislike Gill, hate Gill ... whatever. But the bottom line he has no talent in the JR/SR level. Mangino left the cupboard bear and GIll will take the brunt of this. KU could have a long-term classy coach. Instead many are willing to take someone like Leach who has questionable character. Here I always though KU had class ... guess not when they are willing to sell their souls to win in football.

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Chris Bailey 2 years, 5 months ago

Can't this season just end! I'm so sick of reading about how bad Gill is and how crappy the team is and how we need to fire him. Can we just end it pay him off and get someone who can coach??? I'm tired of wearing a paper bag on my head on Saturdays! He CANNOT coach! He's a nice man and was a heck of a player but that doesn't mean he can put the X's and O's together. Let's get one of these out of work quality coaches while they are available! Also, I don't think the talent, other than the D-line, is that far behind. Fire Gill! Rock Chalk!

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boknowssports 2 years, 5 months ago

well, no wins in October, so Gill says finish strong. What will the Gill lovers say when we have no wins in November? Will it ever matter to them?

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Geekinout 2 years, 5 months ago

The only way T.G. stays is if he can bring in new O and D coordinators. Hopefully one's from solid coaching pedigree and that can recruit. He's probably loyal to his current staff though, which is what is going to sink his own ship.

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jaybate 2 years, 5 months ago

Stay with Turner unless BGL and ZMan have earned a chit for staying in the B12, and are allowed to hire the D or O coordinator at either OU, or UT.

Leach or Leavitt would be like hiring a case of cancer.

End of flippin' topic.

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Larry Ewart 2 years, 5 months ago

Well, as usual, most all of you continue to miss the important part of the game yesterday. The play of our QB is so Sub Par it is unreal. What we need is a QB that can see over the OL and can run for a first down now and then. This guy is not Reesing. Webb continues to throw passes in the turf and make poor reads at critical times during the game. Why he would keep it and try to make a half yard by running around the end merits going to the bench. But yet, TG will not play anyone else. He made a bad decision last year with Webb and Pick. He drove Pick to change positions because he(Pick) knew he was a better athlete than Webb. KSU has a QB that runs and is average at best throwing and yet they are in their games and having a decent season. Why this staff is so set on Jordan Webb is beyond me! I do not mean to say all our problems are strictly the QB position. But, please move on to someone else to give it a shot.

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texashawk10 2 years, 5 months ago

What was the poorer coaching decision, punting the ball down three with 2:30 left when your defense hadn't forced very many 3 and outs on the day or running three passing plays in the shadow of your own endzone up 3 with 2:30 left when the other team only had 1 timeout left with bowl eligibility on the line? I think Mangino's handling of the end of the 2009 MU game was worse based on the circumstances, but yesterday was on that same level. I would rather have seen KU lose 20-10 yesterday because the offense couldn't convert on that 4th down because that is at least letting the players determine the outcome of the game as opposed to the coaches determining the outcome of the game. The phrase, "No guts, no glory" is perfect for Turner Gill, he has no guts (killer instinct) as a coach and therefore will never have any glory as KU's coach.

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Scut Farkus 2 years, 5 months ago

It was never a matter of winning or losing this year. Everyone knew it was a brutal schedule, but we are not seeing any improvement.

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BlackVelvet 2 years, 5 months ago

KU will lose the remaining games this season. Gill needs to go somewhere else.

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jayhawkfanforlife 2 years, 5 months ago

Gill started out in a bad spot from the beginning. He was replacing a coach that many (including this fan) did not feel should have been forced to resign for the things that were brought to light or based on losing the last seven games of 2009. People can differ on whether Mangino deserved to be fired based on whether he won enough or personal actions but for me, he was meeting or exceeding expectations based on our results over his tenure. Nothing that came to light about his interaction with players or others seemed like enough to me especially given that some of it was public record for many years (the parking issues) before being becoming a hot button topic. Another factor is Gill's contract. How much someone gets paid influences how people judge performance. That's just an unfortunate fact of life. When you are the 21st highest paid coach in college football, people expect results (i.e. wins) not discussions about improvement. I can totally understand Gill taking the contract as most people including myself would have taken it as well, but you have to consider what that does to expectations. I think that he’d get a lot more slack if the contract hadn’t been so onerous for KU.
I realize that some of the difference comes from personality. His laid back style doesn't sit well with me especially when he listing of statistics or describing improvement when we've just been blown out. His demeanor also rubs me the wrong way. He talks about building a program like KU has had no success at all. We haven't had much historically but over the previous four years, we went to and won two bowl games, we were bowl eligible another year and one win away from being bowl eligible the other year. We are also almost always competitive on the field. We also have very nice facilities that were upgraded in the previous regime. That doesn’t sound like a complete rebuild to me. Most coaches are judged against their predecessor’s final years unless there have been sanctions or some other significant event to temper expectations.
According to Rivals, which is what Gill supporters use to judge his favorable recruiting, Mangino recruited well. He had the #50 class in 2007, #40 in 2008, and #31 in 2009. Those recruits should have been the back bone of last year’s and this year’s teams. Whether they performed or not is a different question but supposedly, we had talent on the team. I don’t put a lot of stock into Rivals rankings myself except for the publicity aspect but if you are going to use that as a defense of Gill, you have to look at what came before it.

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Scut Farkus 2 years, 5 months ago

I still think Zenger will give him one more year. I know several people fairly close to the program who say the kids like him, the schemes are good, practices, recruitment and the structure of the program are sound. It's on the field he's proven incapable but is it really a factor of coaching? Another year will tell us for sure. Michigan gave Rich Rodriquez 3 years and he instilled a pretty solid program but like Gill, couldn't get the victories. Granted he also had more experience than Gill. When Hoke came on board he had a solid base to work with and Michigan's had a nice transition. Zenger will follow Michigan's example plus save $2M. And, who knows maybe Gill will surprise us.

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beebe1 2 years, 5 months ago

Missed tackles is poor coaching!

Back in the early 40's Elmer Schake coached LMHS. He announced in a classroom setting that he had to worry about Wayne Hurd. (After KU football a KU MD and good surgeon) Heck with the opponent, he had to worry about Wayne hurting one of his team mates. Wayne was the epitomy of a hard tackler! He didn't watch the head; he didn't watch the feet and hands. He watched the belt buckle; where the belt buckle was headed was where the ball carrier was going! About a step and a half before they intersected, Wayne adjusted his route to hit the belt buckle in that space of time. He wrapped the carrier up, and put him on the ground, hard!

That was not an unheard of technique. Parseghian taught it quite well. He had backfield defenders that did it regularly. He also insisted tat they be able to count to 4, maybe even 5, 6, 7, or 8, so they would know what they were, defending against and what with. ( see no evidence that any KU coaches can count to 4, or any other number. Too often they use Cover 2, a useless formation where they wind up defending a territory that no receiver enters..) Parseghian developed the Notre Dame Defense, adapting the Bill Self man-to-man Basketball Defense to football! Naturally about 20 years before Bill Self was born. When AL invited ND to demonstrate their Option Offense; he knew it was coming. And with his ND defenders, they were lucky to get back to the line of scrimmage! Notre Dame won, of course.

Our Defense has been taught 'never let them get behind you', thereby conceding from 6 -to 16 yards, and ultimately a touchdown. Neither AL nor LSU have consistently adopted the ND Defense to today's game, but they did very well with it last night. To defend the pass, you have to stop the ball before it gets to the receiver! They did that well last night, too.

Our team has been taught all of the wrong things! Ask Dolph Simon of the Journal World --he was an excellent FB guard, maybe 10 years behind Wayne Hurd. If you don't know anything about ND Defense, see if you can find a film! It may be 60 years old, but it is a good education on Defense.

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danmoore 2 years, 5 months ago

A close loss to Iowa State is not the benchmark for a football team but it was nice not suffering an embarassing loss this weekend.

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djhawk75 2 years, 5 months ago

This is the worst loss of all this year because the opponent gave KU every opportunity to win the game.

All the stuff about having Toben Opurum carry the ball on a 4th and goal, or hiring Mike Leach of Jim Leavitt, or KU fans hoping that KU would lost this game, is garbage. And Turner Gill did not make bad decisions on those two 4th down plays. The team just did not execute well enough to win. They have not been executing well all season. So I assume that next year we will have a new coach, and whoever he is, he will have an uphill battle on his hands to make this team competitive with the rest of the Big (10) 12.

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Gary McCullough 2 years, 5 months ago

Jumping ship on coaches does not improve the program. I agree Coach Gil is having a tough time in his second year, but this lack of patience will get us nothing. Would you fire James Naismith? Stick with Coach Gil. Two years is not enough time to get his people and system ingrained. What other coach will turn around KU in two years?

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diegohawk 2 years, 5 months ago

I BELIEVE that: we are currently a poor football team by any standard, however we have the best stable of young running backs that I can recall in my lifetime Miller will be 1st team all conference two years from now at RB, Simms and Pierson will likely round out that position and provide the steady back up and home run punch our offense is a legitmate dual threat QB away from being difficult to stop (not even joking) and i'm anxious to see if BB will be the missing piece of the puzzle Gill will right this ship in year 4 if given the chance and we may see a 5 win squad in year 3 Shealy will show marked improvement in year 2 of his system and i'm already starting to see our defense show some of the signs Beaty (sp?) will turn our athletic true freshman receivers into physical blocking studs within the next 2 years and I believe JS & MJ will be solid next year on the receiving end as well.
Gill needs to fire Long and call the offense himself (not joking here either) * our fan base in general is awesome but could show some improvement on the FB side of it. The AD needs to assist in finding ways to get fans to the game, get them involved in the game and changing most of the current game day environment. If the environment becomes a party, recruits will want to come and our players intensity will shoot up a notch or two.. i miss the days of rolling kegs of beer on the hill and want to see the wine and cheese crowd become the beer and brat crowd that I used to know and love. I then want to see it double in size. This can be achieved if the AD gets together with the Lawrence community to find ways to make our environment the best that it can be regardless of the current results. Make the event a can't miss people watching, circus with drum cadets and dancing ladies and beer and brat vendors galore. I want Octoberfest meets Vegas Showgirls meets College Football in one of the best Confernces around. I want the announcers on TV to scream we need crowd control at this place.

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manginorh00lz 2 years, 5 months ago

The people that are excited about a "close" loss to Iowa State are the same people that were yapping about how big of a "powerhouse" Northern Illinois was supposed to be. This isn't improvement, it's pathetic.

KU just lost to Iowa State. Let that sink in.

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hawkfan20 2 years, 5 months ago

The Gill era has 3 games left. He had 21 games to prove he wasn't incompetent. When you're incompetent, he was lucky to get 2 seasons. If he had shown anything at all, he would have gotten 4 or 5. It's really hard to get fired after 2 and Gill has gotten that done. He's been a colossal failure and will go do down as one of the worst coaches in KU history if not the worst and KU's done a good job of picking a lot of losers.

Fortunately, Zenger is smart enough to know when it's time to cut bait and look on the brightside that Gill failed so quickly, it's that much sooner that we'll get someone in here that can coach and turn this program around. I'd much rather have something like this be an easy decision than to have to agonize through mediocrity for 4 or 5 years.

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hihawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Just like KU to keep gill and throw more money away, that seems to be the only way KU knows how to do business. gill should not have been hire in the first place. gill is not a coach and will never be one, last two years shows that. KU can't stand another year with gill, as it has hit bottom already, and will not get off the bottom. If they fire gill now it will show the nation that KU is interested in improving its football program. You can only be the laughing stock of the nation so long, and it's time to make a change.

jaybate would say "Bring them in gill", HA.

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Scut Farkus 2 years, 5 months ago

Save all your bashing for next year because Gill will be back. He's going to get a 3rd year because that's what you do when a contract is guaranteed and it's going to cost KU $6M to fire him. Most football people know, and that's Zengers strength, that it realistically takes 3 years to implement a new program. That said, I am disappointed that the team hasn't shown the improvement I expected but it's been a brutal schedule. Most of the teams that beat up on KU are also beating the hell out of everyone else. It's hard to make comparisons.

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Paul Rupp 2 years, 5 months ago

Put the money into a DC and Strength coach.

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troutsee 2 years, 5 months ago

We will be blown out by Baylor and MU. We might play Texas A & M close, although the game is down there. Following 3 more blow outs, Zenger will put Gill out of his misery.

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droppinplates 2 years, 5 months ago

The offense didn't score any points against Texas. So see, they improved!

Seriously, it's funny to hear people say if we beat Mizzou, maybe we keep Gill. LMAO, so as long as we beat MU and lose every other game in record fashion, we keep the coach?!?! Again, this is part of the problem with Kansas football as a whole. This team is not good, and if they win any games it's pure luck.

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Dyrk Dugan 2 years, 5 months ago

that game was there for the taking....right there. and if Gill had a QB, this game would have been won.

Webb, bless his heart, can't get it done. Overthrew a wide open Kale Pick on a corner route....yes, the wind was tough but since we really didn't use the wind that much to our advantage when we had it, you have to make that play right there. can't run the option either....Reesing would have tried to bang that in there...and he probably would have scored or got to the 1 foot line....Webb? he sees the horses charging and he backs up....the wrong instinct.

Webb is still winless vs. the Big 12 in his tenure at KU....0-10 now or whatever. wasn't even on the field for the great comeback vs. CU. Until we get a QB that can actually read a defense and has the ability to run a bit, this offense will continue to stall. yes, we have great RBs...but they can be ganged up on. Look at K-State....yes, they have better wideouts than we do (no more experienced however) and their QB STILL puts up points and gets wins because HE CAN RUN.

this game was win or else for me....but after watching it, and the agonizing loss that it was....i'm going one more week. Baylor, with RGIII and his potential 800 yards the Bears might stick on us...i see that now as 550-600 and we can move the ball on them. they've given up tons of yards the last few weeks.

Baylor has never beaten us in Lawrence since the Big 12 has been around. it's a streak we need to keep alive. This is absolutely it for the coach. Win this one, and you stay. Go Jayhawks!

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biggunz 2 years, 5 months ago

The powerful KU offense scored 10 points on the second worst team in the conference. Yep, that's improvement.

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Nick Cole 2 years, 5 months ago

I like how people seem to point to a single play in a game or two and say "See, we are improving."

Look, the bottom line is this: If KU were improving, it would show on a consistant basis, not once in an entire friggin' game. The defense knew Iowa State was going to run it up the middle to burn clock at the end of the game, yet they couldn't stop them. Plain and simple. This loss was just as, if not more than, pathetic as the rest. Stop the freaking run! That's all they had to do, and they knew it. Yet they still couldn't do it. This is one of the many reasons Gill has to be gone. I wanted our Hawks to win this one (I want them to win ever game), but I just didn't want it to effect Gill's job status (as in going bye bye). Well, I guess I don't have to worry about that.

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Mike Barnhart 2 years, 5 months ago

The coaching stinks and Iowa States endless 17 play drive in the 3rd quarter defined why! Penalties, missed assignments, long 3rd down conversions and a fake punt for 17 yards. KU has beter physical talent than Iowa State but they are utterly lost on the fiels of play.

It reminds me of the dreadful Chiefs a few years back; no matter the opponent, you always knew the Chiefs were going to find a way to give up the game.

(BTW, Iowa States fumble at the end of that drive was the exception that proves the rule.)

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MorganR 2 years, 5 months ago

I agree with those that say that, while the loss was disappointing, we should take stock in the improvement. KU could have won the game. The players and coaches didn't give up.

I think we pin too much on a coaching change being a panacea. As Notre Dame and other universities have found out in recent years, there is no assurance that any other coach is going to win immediately. Moreover, some of the coaches that have been mentioned as alternatives may have had some degree of success but at what price? Some have NCAA violations. Others have been guilty of abusing their players. Others don't care about graduation rates. Finally, there is no assurance that some degree of success at another university will be a predictor of success at Kansas or any other university.

Kansas University should demonstrate we will honor our commitments. If, ultimately, it is determined that a coaching change is needed, any future coach will want to know that he has time to build his team.

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blackhawkjayhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Oh yeah.....June Jones should be our next coach. And if we're going to go after a questionable coach, why not go for Tressell? He needs a rehab stop - lock him up for 3 years to stop the bleeding and start scanning the landscape for his replacement.

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blackhawkjayhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Neither of the 4th down calls were that bad. Bottom line, after the field goal, the game was tied - either team had a chance to win it. Please don't try and make the argument that tying the game means you lose the game.

The 4th and 11? Going for it would have been the surrender play - false bravado to try and show you really wanted it.

Both were the right decisions. The Sims fumble, the broken play inside the 5....these were the things that cost us the game.

I was actually impressed that we were in the game. We were a two TD underdog, playing on the road.

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nuleafjhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

"Maybe a victory could have changed some minds about the state of KU football, but it’s doubtful."

We may never know if a victory will change our minds.

In my opinion, the worst coached game I've ever seen.

Dude can't coach.

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jhawkrulz 2 years, 5 months ago

I wonder if practicing inside, which TG said "only affects are kicking game" affected our kicking game during this game? One has to ponder if TG is really this incompentent.

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peoplefoot 2 years, 5 months ago

I noticed in the K-State game how the wildcat defense always tackled at the legs and the KU players went down immediately, the KU tacklers mostly tackled up high and the wildcat runners constantly got extra yardage, that is 100% coaching discipline, making your players tackle the correct way from day 1. We're talking 9 games into the season. If Snyder's players don't do it properly consistently you see them being scolded on the sideline.

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Maracas 2 years, 5 months ago

It's time for the Turner Gill era to end, and the name quickly forgotten. Lew Perkins should be sued for malfeasance.

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johnnyhrdwd 2 years, 5 months ago

Leach is a nut, but Leavitt is a bit on the psychotic side, Leach is forgivable but Leavitt is too intense for KU. A lot of guys from the kstate/OU coaching tree know how to win with fundamental football. Leach could do a lot with this talent and we should hire him before someone else does, Venables would be a huge hire also. Zenger knows what time it is and will hire the right guy.

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Gregor Southard 2 years, 5 months ago

Losing 13-10 to a bad team does not equate with progress. Bring back the Phat Man! please

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stm62 2 years, 5 months ago

I'm glad we have an A.D. who I believe knows something about how the game is supposed to be played and who will make the hiring and firing decisions. Some of these posters really scare me. Yes, we might have looked better today, but look who we were playing. Duh.

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middleoftheroader 2 years, 5 months ago

I will never accept futility for KU...as long as their are boosters with 5 million dollars :)

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Robert Brock 2 years, 5 months ago

We were close - two field goals and about twenty arm tackles away from a win.

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HawkfromHays 2 years, 5 months ago

Nor should it. If not getting blown out by the second-worst team in the conference was enough to save Gill's job or even change the sentiment of a frustrated fanbase it would be a clear sign that we had accepted futility.

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TLR 2 years, 5 months ago

I bleed crimson and blue. This is horrible to watch, Gill is a joke. Why don't you think KU wasn't a factor in conference realignment. We need a change now.

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DWINOP 2 years, 5 months ago

Turner Gill simply waved the white flag. If the evidence weren't already in, today is all we need to know about the future of KU Football in his hands. Today, Gill demonstrated to his players that the mantra he's been calling "Believe" all season really is "Surrender."

If Sheahon Zenger doesn't sh*tcan this fraud of a football coach now, well, then I can't imagine what it would take.

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ahpersecoachingexperience 2 years, 5 months ago

Anyone else see nick Saban standing in front of the media saying "the blame all starts right here on me"? Not throwing the kicker under the bus, or the punt returner, or the defense in overtime. Turner would of been pushing those guys under the tires so fast!

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Sparko 2 years, 5 months ago

Keegan missed the fact that the wind was a huge factor. By not going for the TD, Kansas was going to have few chances in the 4th Qtr on the road in the wind. And punting? OMG. KU had only two timeouts anyway. It was a terrible decision. Gill wanted to lose 13-10 rather than maybe lose 20-10. That was all he was thinking about and fans were furious.

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Geekinout 2 years, 5 months ago

Give me a break! The only reason Iowa St didn't blow this game out is because they played worst than KU and still won.. 3 turnovers? I lost count of the times ISU had a blown play or the Qb scrambled for a 10-15 yard run when his receivers weren't open. That's lousy coaching! Gutless play calling! The fundamentals are terrible, I saw mistackles on almost every play on defense and KU players jogging to the ball in pursuit. KU made ISU Qb look like an all-american, especially on that play where he broke through 5 KU defenders, one of them who was jogging to the play, lowered his head, and literally blocked his own players! I see too many players give up on plays, which is probably why they rank dead last in stats. Webb again played terrible, but still Gill won't give any others a shot, that seriously says something about how bad a coach he is. Tonight, I watched LSU yank their starting Qb Lee early in the game, because the coach knew he was struggling! Take some notes Gill!

No one gets coached or held accountable. This entire staff is a joke, there are way too many teams out there with less talent that produces better results.

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danmoore 2 years, 5 months ago

It's not in my DNA to hope for a KU loss.

I think Turner Gill's fate has already been sealed. Even a win against mizpoo will not save him.

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Dickless Head 2 years, 5 months ago

I phucking HATE that nlgger. I not only wish he would be thrown put on the street like an inner city welfare nlgger, i want him phucking dead. I phucking hate him.

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actorman 2 years, 5 months ago

TK asks a valid question. I wondered myself if I would have any ambivalence about this game, given my feelings about the TG era. But when it came down to it, I was still into the game and hoping KU could end the slide. And they should have won; they certainly had their chances.

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Jennifer Nikkila Pressgrove 2 years, 5 months ago

I agree that the loss is still a loss and doesn't necessarily help Gill keep his job. But I will say this, we saw a little bit today what the Hawk linebackers and secondary can do when the defensive line is providing some pressure. I think that if the 'Hawks can find ways to improve the defensive line (all but one guy is returning next year) they can be a competitive defense. On the offensive side, they need a playmaker wide receiver or a more accurate passer. Either the wide receivers aren't getting open or Webb just can't find them.

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Chris Bruning 2 years, 5 months ago

Take your five mill and shove it! Gill stays! Turner gill! Turner gill! Turner gill! Turner gill!

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ahpersecoachingexperience 2 years, 5 months ago

"Me too. Twice with Toben Opurum"

Funniest thing I've ever read on this site. PHOF!

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kesmithstl1 2 years, 5 months ago

BEAT MIZZOU! That's all I ask. Do that, and I'll think about keeping my 5 million dollars I was going to donate to fire Gill!

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