Iowa State defeats Kansas, 13-10

  • 11:30 a.m., Nov. 5, 2011
  • Jack Trice Stadium, Ames, IA

Saturday, November 5, 2011

7 Down: KU’s losing streak extended in 13-10 loss to Iowa State

Kansas offensive lineman Jeremiah Hatch (77) and defensive tackle Randall Dent (64) leave the field with blank stares following the Jayhawks' 13-10 loss to Iowa State on Saturday, Nov. 5, 2011 at Jack Trice Stadium in Ames, Iowa.

Kansas offensive lineman Jeremiah Hatch (77) and defensive tackle Randall Dent (64) leave the field with blank stares following the Jayhawks' 13-10 loss to Iowa State on Saturday, Nov. 5, 2011 at Jack Trice Stadium in Ames, Iowa.


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KU coach Turner Gill

Kansas coach Turner Gill talks to reporters following the Jayhawks' 13-10 loss to Iowa State on Nov. 5, 2011.

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— Through eight games this season, the Kansas University football team had found just about every way imaginable to lose a game. Saturday, during a 13-10 loss to Iowa State in front of 51,575 fans at Jack Trice Stadium, the Jayhawks discovered another.

Special teams.

Two missed field goals and another off day from the Kansas offense led to KU's seventh straight loss and dropped the Jayhawks to 2-7 overall and 0-6 in Big 12 play. By now, talking after losses has become routine for the Jayhawks, who officially were eliminated from bowl contention Saturday.

"A loss is a loss," said Kansas quarterback Jordan Webb. "But, whenever you're that close and you feel like it's right in your grasp and you don't go out there and get it, it definitely hurts. It hurts a lot."

There were positive elements to the Jayhawks' latest letdown — perhaps more than any other loss this season. The defense played what Gill called its best game since he arrived at KU, and the running game, which had struggled mightily during the past 10 quarters, temporarily got back on track with 174 yards on 39 attempts, good for a 4.5-yard average. But the signs of life hardly mattered. When it counted most, the Jayhawks did not deliver.

First came a failed attempt deep in Iowa State territory late in the third quarter. The Jayhawks ran eight plays inside the ISU 15-yard line but could not reach the end zone and were forced to settle for a game-tying field goal. The series, which came with Kansas trailing 10-7, included five rushing attempts for freshman Darrian Miller, one fourth-down conversion and another fourth down in which Gill chose a field goal from the 2-yard line instead of going for the lead.

"I thought about it," Gill said. "If we would've been on the one, I would've went for it. But the two yards, I kind of went back and forth and decided, hey we've gotta tie the ballgame and give us a chance to win in the fourth quarter."

The fourth quarter proved equally disappointing. After the KU defense held the Cyclones to a field goal for a 13-10 lead with 4:30 to play, several Jayhawks said they believed they were in position to win the game.

"In that situation, it was a win," said junior safety Bradley McDougald of the ISU field goal. "They didn't come up with seven points. And it was a perfect situation for our offense to march down the field. There were four minutes left and the only thing we could do was just be cheerleaders for our offense."

Instead of a heroic drive, the Jayhawks ran three plays and punted on fourth-and-11 with 2:37 remaining in the game. Gill said he considered going for it on that fourth down as well, but elected to punt and take his chances with his defense and two timeouts.

"We needed a field goal," Gill said. "If we would've needed a touchdown, I would've definitely gone for it."

Iowa State took over at its own 46-yard line and rode fullback Jeff Woody to victory. With both hands clutching the football, Woody ran four straight times for 45 yards to put the game away.

"At the end, they kind of put in a formation that they really don't use very much," junior Toben Opurum said. "We had practiced against it, but we hadn't seen it all game and it just kind of took us out of rhythm and out of sync."

Added McDougald: "It was definitely frustrating not being able to get off the field. We were a little under-manned and they were just stacking that short side. But give credit to them. They got a great push up front and their tight ends and fullbacks came up and made great blocks."

Asked if the Jayhawks talked about an adjustment, McDougald said it was too little, too late.

"We did," he said. "But, by that time, they were going into the QB kneel."

Gill said the discrepancy between KU's offensive-line play and ISU's proved to be the difference.

"Their linemen kind of took over the game and beat our linemen," he said. "We gotta win those battles."

Gill also credited ISU quarterback Jared Barnett, who ran for 125 yards and threw for 175 more, in keeping the Jayhawks' defense off balance.

"He was the key to the game," Gill said. "Every time they had to make a play, he made the play running the ball and that hurt us."

Miller led KU, rushing 17 times for 70 yards.

The 13 points scored by Iowa State were the fewest allowed by a KU defense in a Big 12 game since 2007, when the Jayhawks rocked ISU, 45-7. KU also forced three turnovers — an interception and forced fumble by McDougald and a forced fumble by Greg Brown — and held the Cyclones scoreless in the third quarter.

"Our defense really stood in there and played well and gave us an opportunity," Gill said.

Added McDougald: "We definitely did a great job today playing as one unit. A lot of guys were out there just playing passionately. We don't have anything to lose at this point, and guys are out there giving it their all. We're just gonna keep coming back and keep trying to get better. That's the only thing we can do at this point. It's the same story, basically. Guys are going to go to the film room and keep trying to get better."


johnnyhrdwd 6 years ago

Maybe we lost because we had nobody covering their QB on their zone read option. Our defensive backs bite on the run even when there is no play action and it's an obvious pass, that's on the coaching staff not the players.

Andy Tweedy 6 years ago

I listened to the game on the ISU network in Omaha, and their announcers pointed that out a few times. They just couldn't understand why no adjustment had been made by the fourth or fifth time we got burned by that.

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years ago

Kg checks his Williams Fund points balance every night before he goes to bed.

T_Man_JayhawkNation 6 years ago

We should have gone for it on 4th down instead of punting!

Ethan Berger 6 years ago

Disagree, considering the circumstance. one it was 4th and 11. Two we were on the 20 yard line. Three were were throwing into 20 mph winds. It was chance to punt it, just like going for it.

gardenjay 6 years ago

ISU just creamed Baylor last week ...

JhawkalumJB 6 years ago

ISU beat Texas Tech the previous week, not Baylor.

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years ago

If the big 12 had a football tournament (same format as basketball) this would be a Wednesday game.

Jayhawk1116 6 years ago

Anybody still want Bill Young as coach?!?

Cmill1221 6 years ago

I would LOVE that!! In fact I was really hopng that UNLV would have hired him 2 years ago. He coached a MONSTER defence here and knows how to rebuild a program.

Andy Tweedy 6 years ago

I don't! He might make a nice head coach, but he's almost 70. If we change coaches now, we're already moving further away from stability. How is hiring a guy with maybe 3 years left in the tank going to help that?

Andy Tweedy 6 years ago

...and I also do get that you're poking fun at the way KSU marched up and down the field on OSU last night!

Cmill1221 6 years ago

OHHHH b/c KSU didnt march up and down the field on us. And if i remember correctly we were a top 10 defence when he was here.
yeah he is OLD but so is bill snyder. you need someone to come in put there foot down and get us going in the right direction.

Ethan Berger 6 years ago

Irrelevant point about KSU on us. Ok state is a far better team and a average k state offense put up 45 (with the help of the defense of course)

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years ago

Daddy just made a loooooooooooooooot of money on the LSU game

Jayhawk1116 6 years ago

I forbid the University of Kansas to even recruit a quarterback less than 6'-5" 220lbs. Otherwise, I will not renew my season tickets / Williams Educational Fund "donation"...

Mike Barnhart 6 years ago

Not so fast my friend! 6'5" 220 looks good getting off the bus 5'10" 190, Todd Reesing looks good at the Heisman Trophy awards ceremony!

Rick Arnoldy 6 years ago

"eliminated from bowl contention" Wasn't that obvious by about the third drive of the season?

pepper_bar 6 years ago

"Through eight games this season, the Kansas University football team had found just about every way imaginable to lose a game."

Five blowouts and a come-from-ahead loss to Tech = every way imaginable to lose a game? Is this writer new to football?

Matt Tait 6 years ago

Offense cost them. Defense cost them. Coaching cost them. Lost games in first quarter, second quarter, second half...

That's a lot of ways, man. And now... Special teams gets into the mix.

Have a good one!

Geekinout 6 years ago

"The defense played what Gill called its best game since he arrived at KU.." You're joking right?

Today I watched a very average ISU Qb break through 5 KU defenders to score a touchdown. On this same play, I had to watch a KU defender jogging in pursuit of the play, lower his head, and literally blocked his own players in attempt to tackle the average ISU Qb who was already 5 yards past the point of where the KU defender was trying to tackle. I also watched the KU defense have a mistackle on literally every play!

You're seriously trying to tell me we looked better? KU was lucky ISU had unforced turnovers or it could've been a lot uglier!

Ethan Berger 6 years ago

That freshman lead his team to 42 points in Lubbock. So yes it's the best game since hes arrived (remember we haven't had any)

lawrence_is_my_middle_name 6 years ago

We held North Dakota State to 6 points. That was a solid defensive effort.

timjhnsn 6 years ago

You saw the ISU QB score a touchdown? What game were you watching? ISU's only TD was by a WR on a run.

Geekinout 6 years ago

*Correction, wasn't a TD, but it was a 25-30 yard run.

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years ago

Totally thought the earthquake was mangino coming back into town to save the season. Bummer!

Curtis Stutz 6 years ago

Personally I don't mind that we lost this one. Keeps the players hungry for a BigXII win, and the one we all want the most is against Mizzou on the 26th! There's a chance KU will be playing to keep Mizzou out of a bowl game and to take the overall head to head series before their conference exit (according to KU records anyway) As far as I'm concerned if these guys can pick that one up they did a great job this year. This game lets them know they can compete in this conference, keep your heads up, give it your all, we're still rooting for you to get that W! 3 games to go, that's a lot of football and a lot of opportunities. Time to get the offense back on track, defense needs to tackle like they did in the second half of the OU game the rest of the way.

Theodore Thadogweadore 6 years ago

The NCAA also recognizes the KU/MU series as being tied.

My heart goes out to the players that give maximum effort everyday, knowing that if/when they are put in a situation to be successful, the coaching staff will pi$$ it down their leg.

I pray that we can somehow beat the dirty Tigers one more time before they run off to re-join their confederate bretheren. I hope that if that happens, it doesn't buy this coaching staff one more year. They have consistantly demonstrated that they are unwilling (unable, more likely) to make the necessary evaluations and adjustments that would make this team competitive every week.

Cody Stumma 6 years ago

Actually, MU's books they lead by 2. In our books, they lead by 1.

Andrew Washington 6 years ago

yeah i felt that one here in wichita!

blackhawkjayhawk 6 years ago

Lots of good coaches out there and available for KU. Sheahon, let's knock this one out of the park! Jim Tressel or June Jones. Get one of these guys, and you have changed KU football.

WilburNether 6 years ago

Suggesting a Jim Tressel is a demonstration of how far down into the toilet some KU "fans" will sink.

We don't need those of his or their ilk at KU.

David Atchley 6 years ago

June Jones is making $2M a year, is in the epicenter of the Texas high school recruiting, has SMU donors that have very deep pockets wanting to restore their program, in a major television and voted the best sports town in 2011, and Jones just had the Gatorade National Player of the Year of 2 years ago, transfer to his team. or his "next" Colt Brennan.

He would want to take the Kansas job again because....?

texashawk10 6 years ago

and he will be in a BCS conference next year.

johnnyphoton 6 years ago

The absolute fight, determination, and will displayed by KSU last night was evident. Watching the eyes and body language of those Kats last night was a direct reflection of the head coach and his staff---it had to be. Whether or not HCTG has the capacity to organize, discipline, and instill that type of mindset is in question.

Good luck, Mr. Zenger, I do not envy your upcoming decision.

troutsee 6 years ago

We have no playmakers on offense or defense. Or, let's put it this way, the coaching staff has not been able to ID playmkers and put them in a position to make plays. Even though Jordan Webb has fairly good numbers, he is not a playmaker. He could be more effective if the coaches would throw the football on first down. Obviously, Long does not have that much faith in Webb. If teams in the MAC and WAC can come up with dual threat QBs, why in the hell can't we.

Funhawk 6 years ago

"We have no playmakers on offense or defense" due to Mangino's final years of recruiting.

Geekinout 6 years ago

Toben? Sims? McDougald? Beirre? Bourbon? Pick? Rell?

Blaming Mangino for not recruiting talent was so last years argument. If Gill or his staff was worth what we pay them, they could have found the players they needed in the Juco ranks. Snyder was able to find decent players to fill in for his second coming for a previously horrible hire K-State had. Just shows this staff is not only inept as coaches, but as recruiters as well with no strong recruiting ties.

I've seen many coaches take over programs in far worse positions and make them at least somewhat competitive by year 2. That's looking in the past anyways, we should be looking toward the future with a new coach, that the new A.D. brings in himself. Not some PC hire, out of spite to the fat man MM, that Perkins screwed us with..

lawrence_is_my_middle_name 6 years ago

Very well said. Mangino got us to a bowl game year two. He recruited Bill Whittemore right off the bat and that made all the difference.

Kenny Terry 6 years ago

This was our only chance for a conference win this year. It's sad to admit it but the next 3 games we will get blown out and have to listen to Gills claims of were getting better. Its time to cut ties and get a search for a competent head coach who won't sugarcoat the obvious

droppinplates 6 years ago

"As far as I'm concerned if these guys can pick that one up they did a great job this year."


jhox 6 years ago

Why on earth do coaches try to run wide with the ball on the one? They should have given it to Miller up the gut, then they probably wouldn't have had a fourth down dilemma. Coaches try to get too cute with goal line play calling.

number1jayhawker 6 years ago

Yea, I thought that's why he brought Sizemore with him from Buffalo. He and the LB, Willis have been a little bit of a disappointment.

TenaciousD 6 years ago

We need a decent QB.... badly. QB play and leadership is everything in college and usually the pros too (Ind. Colts). Mathews must be a horrible passer in practice or I would think they would give him a shot. Perhaps now that a bowl game is out of the question now, they will try Mathews or Meecham. Webb plays like a Div II QB out there.

TenaciousD 6 years ago

If we had that ISU QB, KU would win that game in a blowout.

741hawk 6 years ago

Ever wondered why Gill / Long haven't been able to recruit a great QB, let alone a decent one?

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years ago

Somebody go over to Taits house and wake his @$$ up. He's got a Mizzou to the sec story to write.

hawksince51 6 years ago

I'm with you on that. He was all over the story 6 weeks ago when it was mostly speculation so where is he now that some pretty big stuff is apparently happening?

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years ago

Sunday mornings he's usuall hung over. There is no way anybody could put up with wtching as much ku football as he does without self medicating after games.

eastcoasthawk 6 years ago


My heart goes out to the players that give maximum effort everyday, knowing that if/when they are put in a situation to be successful, the coaching staff will pi$$ it down their leg. Could have said it any better eddieroot!

How many times did we see a QB sneak with no LB shadowing him? Or having two LB's breaking out to cover the RB on an out route and the middle wide open? Is this the beginning of the season???? They did that same FB play 3 times in a row for a first down in the first half. So with little time on the clock and just number 32 in the backfield everybody but our coaches and team knew where it's going. Too late to make an adjustment on a play we saw three times in a row for a first down????

And Coach Gill's quotes are leading with the word "if", as in "if" pigs could fly we might have a chance to win a game. I feel bad for the players because they work hard listening to these so called coaches. I feel bad for the fans because they are paying through the nose for a first division coach that delivers as poor as any KU team I have ever had to witness. Gill needs to resign at the end of this season. The 4 million he got over the last two years is about all he should have gotten over a 5 year contract.

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years ago

You forget to mention we had 3 down linemen at the end of the game when they were obviously going to run the ball. I was totally expecting us to have 5 db's in the game when ISU was in the victory formation.

Ross Cargo 6 years ago

Fire Gill and hire Tressel.. Big money needs to step up and solve the money problem.

beebe1 6 years ago

Hey guys, we have talent. Gill can/could recruit. He doesn't know the difference between a good coach and a bad coach. Last year he admitted that the problem was 'execution'. That is the coaches' problem. This year, on the radio after the GT game, the problem was 'ineffective schemes'. More of a coaches problem. That was the end of KU football for me. Frankly, I thought our guys did exactly what they were taught! They were taught the wrong things! GT scored on the first play of the game. Then they scored on the second play of the second half -- en route to scoring 9 times in succession. Why are you fans commiserating over the bad coaching? The 'Defensive Coordinators' should have been fired before they even got on the plane to return to Lawrence.

I have been worried about where to look for a decent Defensive Coordinator -- Defense has been going down hill all across the game for several years. Last night brought the answer -- LSU defeated AL in the first OT -- score of 9-6! Five 3 ptrs scored in the whole game! Pay the money -- get the Defensive Coordinator from either team. Give him full Defensive Authority starting Nov. 8, 2011! Way too late for this year,but give him a head start for next year. Let Gill work at recruiting; pay him what the Athletic Dept agreed to, but cut off his revenue from Uniforms, helmets, radio and TV appearances, and other supplementary income. Let the NEW DC share the Head Coach Title, and give him full coaching authority at season's end! Pay what it takes to get that DC guy NOW!

Anyone have a better idea, let's hear it!

Tony Bandle 6 years ago

No offense, but for what possible reason would even the water boys at Alabama or LSU want to come to Kansas and be defensive coordinators??

If you get a DC from one of these powers he's going to have to be the Head Coach with full authority....and I don't think you get them even then!!

Jeff Coffman 6 years ago

I'm confused are you suggesting having a DC leave Alabama or LSU to become the DC of KU? If you are saying head coach I am on board, but why would a DC of those programs leave to become the DC of KU?

babyjay1 6 years ago

My husband and the guys at his fire station want to list TG for sale on Craig's List!!

Cmill1221 6 years ago

Good luck getting anything for it!!!

David Atchley 6 years ago

You have to look for a coach either trending "up" as an assistant, such as Chad Morris at Clemson, who has tremendous clout in Texas High Schools and recruiting, OR someone currently unemployed like a Mike Leach.

June Jones is making $2M a year, is in the epicenter of the Texas high school recruiting, has SMU donors that have very deep pockets wanting to restore their program, in a major television and voted the best sports town in 2011, and Jones just had the Gatorade National Player of the Year of 2 years ago, transfer to his team. or his "next" Colt Brennan.

He would want to take the Kansas job again because....?

Ethan Berger 6 years ago

BCS conf, Im pretty sure win you make the bigger bowl games, you get even more money. But outside of that, he has no reason to come.

hawksince51 6 years ago

Off subject (but who can blame me), I continue to be amazed at Bill Snyder's success at KSU. I really expected that he had lost his edge when he came back and figured the 'Cats to be mediocre at best. But they are doing great and almost upset the number 2 team in the nation. Their QB has the heart of a Reesing and a whole lot more size. Congrats to them. Also, it was great to see Baylor knock off misery and to see the Baylor students waving Big 12 signs in the stands. While it will be a shame to end the 2nd longest running college football rivalry, no way we should play those defectors after this year. Too bad they will get to go to the East Div. of the SEC instead of the much tougher West. But they will still have to play GA, TN and FL every year along with some of the tough guys in the West. So far as KU football, I can only say TG for B-ball.

Cody Stumma 6 years ago

Good to know Gill punted his job away on that last drive. Can we fire him yet?

Brian Powell 6 years ago

You lost me at "The Jayhawks ran eight plays inside the ISU 15-yard line but could not reach the end zone"

That is unacceptable no matter who you are or who you are playing! Kudos to going for it on 4th, but seriously - it ended up just being a showcase of our inability to create and innovate on offense.

texashawk10 6 years ago

Why does Christian Matthews know how to throw the ball away when nobody is open despite not having played QB since HS, but Jordan Webb doesn't? Why didn't KU spy ISU's QB after the first or second time he ran up the middle on a third and long? Why did KU punt with 2:30 left in the game while losing when the defense hadn't forced a three and out pretty much all day?

Chuck Long, please teach Jordan Webb the value of throwing the ball away because that is far from the worst decision a QB could ever make.

Vic Shealy, it's okay to spy a running QB, if the LB or S can't make the play then that's on the player, but at least allow an LB or S to try and spy the QB as opposed to giving the QB 20 yards to run up the middle on every third down.

Turner Gill, you're defense had not stopped ISU all day long and I know the offense wasn't doing anything as usual in the 4th quarter, but I would feel much better about KU losing the game 20-10 because KU couldn't convert a 4th down with 2:30 left as opposed to punting the ball away knowing you're offense will likely not get the ball back.

I could go off on a lot more stuff about this game, but those are the three things that bothered me the most about yesterday and it involved the DC, OC, and HC all failing to put KU in the best position to come away with victory yesterday. At least I don't feel like a masochist for watching yesterday's game which is a rarity nowadays.

If Turner is back next year (not my preference at this point, but possible because of economics), there are a couple of DC's I would like to see Gill seriously consider that are already DC's and have had success as DC's. These are not the big names that many of you want, but many of those choices are unrealistic to be perfectly honest. My first choice to be DC would be John Skladany of UCF. Chuck Heater of Temple, Dave Wommack of Arkansas St., among others. These are people that that are currently at smaller schools, but have all had success at BCS programs in the very recent past.

TBiggsRone3 6 years ago

@Texashawk have you played QB in College? College isn't high school, far from it.. You can not compare a college athlete to a high school athlete. Thats like comparing a man to a boy. You can't do it. Jordon Webb is a redshirt sophmore in his 2nd year of new coaches that are soon to be gone this year. Football is a game of inches. They have a lot more problems then Jordon Webb learning how to throw the ball away.

texashawk10 6 years ago

Somebody completely missed the point and didn't read the entire post (or at least ignored the 5th paragraph). Jordan Webb is a 3rd year college QB that doesn't know how to throw the ball away when he is in trouble and that is a big flaw to have as a QB. Why haven't Turner Gill or Chuck Long (2 of the greatest college QB's of the past 30 years) taught Webb how to throw the ball away instead of taking a bad sack like he has done so many times this year? You're exactly right that it's a game of inches and Jordan Webb's lacking of the ability throw the ball the away has often put KU in 3rd and mile as opposed to 3rd and manageable because he takes bad sacks running around looking for a receiver instead of getting rid of the football when nobody is open. And yes I can compare this aspect of playing QB at the college level to the high school level because QB's in high school get pressured by defensive players as well and are taught to throw the ball away when a sack is imminent and there are no open receivers because that is the better option to taking a sack.

TBiggsRone3 6 years ago

Well reguardless of what you think comparing a high school QB is not the same as comparing a College QB. Its not the same, High School football is so slow compared to D-1 football. My opinion you don't know football if your comparing hs to college. Throwing away the ball first of all, you need enough time to throw the ball away. Then you need to be outside the tackles, give the kid time he is still learning the college game. I have seen Andrew Luck take a sack when he should have thrown the ball away and all the critic's say he is the second coming of John Elway. These kids are not pros... Turner Gill and Chuck Long are old QB's in the 20th century this the 21st century. Totally different then, then it is now, completely. But yet you still didn't answer my questions.

David Atchley 6 years ago

I don't know how Bobby Jack's "Xs and Os" are as respects being a head coach, but there's nobody that has enjoyed more success as a recruiter in the State of Texas.

boknowssports 6 years ago

"Their linemen kind of took over the game and beat our lineman".....every game Gill throws his own players under the bus. Just once I would like to hear him say "We were simply out-coached today. This loss is on me".

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