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Tuesday, February 20, 2007

Keep on streakin’

KU claims 24th straight in Manhattan

Kansas' Julian Wright, right, and Rodrick Stewart, left, walk off the court with Sherron Collins congratulating the freshman guard who led all scorers with 20 points in Monday's 71-62 win over the Wildcats at Bramlage Coliseum.

Kansas' Julian Wright, right, and Rodrick Stewart, left, walk off the court with Sherron Collins congratulating the freshman guard who led all scorers with 20 points in Monday's 71-62 win over the Wildcats at Bramlage Coliseum.

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— Clarion Hotel roommates Sherron Collins and Russell Robinson decided to turn on the 6 p.m. evening news before heading to Bramlage Coliseum early Monday night.

"There was a shot of their fans lining up outside the building. The announcer said, 'If K-State wins, they break a long streak and could get to the NCAA Tournament,''' Collins said.

"We looked at each other. We got pumped up."

Collins was so pumped up he erupted for 20 points - 14 in the second half off 5-of-6 shooting - in KU's 71-62 victory over K-State.

It extended KU's winning streak in Manhattan to 24 games and improved the Jayhawks' all-time record in Bramlage to 19-0.

"Just happened to be flippin' the channel," Robinson said with a smile. "We saw how hyped their fans were for the game and how excited coach (Bob) Huggins has them here about basketball. We were really pumped up and ready to play, too."

Collins had eight points and Darrell Arthur (13 points, 12 rebounds) four in a 16-4 run that busted a 43-all tie and opened a 59-47 advantage with 5:39 left.

It was the key stretch of the game by far.

"Sherron carried us on his back," said KU coach Bill Self said, also lauding Mario Chalmers' 12-point effort the first half that kept it close.

KU trailed, 30-29, at the break.

Collins was so effective in hitting eight of 11 shots and collecting three assists with three rebounds and four turnovers in 31 minutes, it sparked a postgame discussion about whether Collins should be starting.

"It's probably not fair to him (to not start), but it's what's best for the team," Self said, indicating he thinks Collins is playing as well as or better than any freshman in the country. "I talked to Sherron. I told him, 'You are playing well enough to start.' He said, 'I know, but I don't want to change and screw up chemistry.' He gets it."

Indeed, Collins "gets it."

"It's no big deal. It's the way I want it," the Chicago freshman said of not starting. "Russell and Mario are brothers to me. I love my teammates. They've got my back all the time. It might hurt somebody's confidence. This is best for the team."

Chalmers finished with a team-leading 17 points off 5-of-11 shooting. He hit three of nine threes.

Robinson had three points and two assists, while Brandon Rush and Julian Wright had off days offensively, scoring 11 and four respectively off combined 5-of-16 shooting.

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Led by Wright's strong defensive effort on David Hoskins (nine points, 2-of-15 shooting), KSU managed to hit just 32.3 percent of its shots and eight of 23 threes.

"I knew we'd play tough tonight," Self said after his Jayhawks hit 51 percent of their shots despite bricking 16 of 21 threes. "Just by looking at the guys and their focus. They seemed to be focused at shootaround and before the game. They rise to the level."

It took some toughness to win on a night the building was rocking.

Three live chickens were thrown on the court before the game during introduction of KU players. The fans were definitely juiced, the cheerleaders holding an impromptu pep rally with the fans who were let in the building two hours before the game.

"I heard they had a pep rally for 30 minutes straight, so that kind of set us off a little bit," said Rush, who missed two technical foul shots after Huggins was whistled with a T at 7:26.

KU continues streak over K-State

In the history of Bramlage Coliseum, K-State has never tasted victory over the Jayhawks, and tonight was no different, as KU took home the tough victory, 71-62.

Collins bailed out the possession with a three, giving KU a 55-47 lead at 6:49.

"We heard some of it (in locker room) but were trying not to pay too much attention to it and stay focused on the game," Rush said of the pep rally.

There were so many reasons to be fired up Monday.

"I think it was what coach Huggins said at Late Night, that he guaranteed our streak would end," Chalmers said of Huggins' guaranteeing a victory in Manhattan over KU. "We just wanted to keep the streak going and prove him wrong."

"Our main motivation," Self noted, "is the league race. We need to win to stay with A&M; (co-leaders in league)."

The Jayhawks (24-4 overall, 11-2 Big 12) will play host to Iowa State at 5 p.m. Saturday at Allen Fieldhouse. KSU (19-9, 8-5) will travel to Colorado Saturday.




















Go figure

51.0 KU's field-goal shooting percentage32.3 K-State's field-goal shooting percentage23.8 KU's three-point shooting percentage (5-for-21)34.8 K-State's three-point shooting percentage (8-for-23)21-6 K-State's scoring advantage in points off turnovers4 Sherron Collins' turnovers in the first half0 Collins' turnovers in the second half0 Victories by K-State over KU in Bramlage Coliseum33 Bench points for KU (20 for Collins, 13 for Darrell Arthur)21 Bench points for K-State (including 19 for Cartier Martin)

Comments

jonas 13 years, 3 months ago

K-State really played a hell of a game. It was close until the end. Let us have the tournament this year or the next, and maybe they can start winning one or two.

every once in a while.

justinryman 13 years, 3 months ago

Whats nice to see finally is "others" stepping up and not relying on Brandon and Jullian(one would think a game like that would have been for the BEAST). Mario played like he did last year towards the end of the season and the freshman, Sheron and Shady played like they had been there before. Plus the post game comments let us all know now why Collins isnt starting over RR, what a true team player!!!!

Nice win fella's

jhawker137 13 years, 3 months ago

The whole team dug deep found their fire and played well in a hostile situation. They are all true Jayhawks, and everyone of them deserve to be padded on the back for this win. They found out what it was like to play one day prep. for a game, and delivered.
Keep it up, all teams start to slide with crushing teams, and this was a perfect game for the Jayhawks to fall apart, they didn't, they got the hard win on the road. I am excited about this team this year, they are one of the top teams in the nation, they know that, we know that, and the media has no clue. I like that, keep us under the radar, let us come in with a hard team off the get go, and crush them then maybe people will wake up. Please, Please, Please put us in North Carolina's bracket. on a side note: Hug's & Thug's nice prediction. ESPN is running ad's where people are talking out their ass about sports, I think your next up for a spot on those ad's. No Talent Ass Clown.

MarcoPolo 13 years, 3 months ago

Forget the streak. That's not the story and this crop of Hawks have very little to do with it (2-3 years). The story is KU going on the road in a tough conference and not bringing their "A" game, yet pulling out a victory over a tough-minded opponent. Congratulations!

KSU is only 1 or perhaps 2 players away from almost being unbeatable at home -- perhaps Walker would have made the difference this time, who knows?

Huggins had every right to complain about the terrible non-call on Rush -- the one in which he received the technical foul. Rush, who had an uncharacteristically bad night (for him), creamed the guy under the basket -- and no foul was called. Although Rush missed both free throws, KU made a "3" and never looked back.

The free-throw shooting must be improved or KU will not win a close game in the big dance. (If you recall, poor free-throw shooting cost KU a national championship against Syracuse).

Rush's two missed free throws on the technical foul were not important this time, but if the coach can choose who shoots a technical, why would he ever choose anyone but the team's best free-throw shooter? In this case, (and all subsequent cases), he should choose Chalmers or Collins -- that decision could be critical somewhere down the line......

Jeremy LeMaster 13 years, 3 months ago

That last comment was a bit ignorant.....

KState is heading in the right direction (to win BBall games). But I don't think they are recruiting the type of kids that make a great program like KU. They will be tough to beat with Huggins there, and they will win a few of the games. But, they will never be a program like our Hawks have! Rock Chalk, nice win Hawks! Way to play as a team.

CindiCat 13 years, 3 months ago

Per USA Today regarding the technical foul on Huggins........"Someone in Kansas State's student section threw a cup onto the floor in protest, but police and Bramlage security workers could not find the fan."

Jeez.....

craigers 13 years, 3 months ago

Tough game and man is Collins a player. It is great to see him say no to a starting position because it is working right now. If it isn't broke why should we try something new? This team is so fun to watch and I must say my fav is Collins going to the basket, jumping through defenders and making a sick looking layup. Great job Hawks.

Jonathan Andrews 13 years, 3 months ago

Didn't we give Darrell guff for turning down a starting spot?

I think we have mature freshmen on our team, and they really carried a load last night. The ybring a huge spark off the bench, and it's better for them to build chemistry. Excellent game, Sherron. Darrell, youintimidated and patrolled the lane without fouling; keep it up.

Jeremy Bolinger 13 years, 3 months ago

the only direction ksuck is heading to is probation, and postseason ban!

SAHM2tylrnathan 13 years, 3 months ago

All I can say is "wow," the atmosphere in Bramlage has changed A LOT in the past 4 years. This is the one game we get to see each year in person (too bad it has to be in Manhattan, but those are the only tickets we have access to). When we first started going, there were a lot of Hawks in the house and a lot of empty seats. Now it's a sellout and KU fans don't even get the chance to buy tickets. The volume was incredible, rivaling the atmosphere in Allen at least in loudness. I did appreciate the "blackout" shirts worn by nearly every KSU fan--made it really easy to spot the other Jayhawks. Their fans made the game as close as it was. I'm sure our guys could not even hear themselves think on the court. Too bad they had to put on a performance worthy of the Antlers in taunting Brandon. Go ahead and make fun of a guy's playing, but not his personal life. Definitely low class. The games will only get harder from here in Manhattan. The streak will truly need defending now.

Larry Smith 13 years, 3 months ago

Tough game in a tough environment. Hawks didn't have their "A" game, yet they still pull out the victory. Shows some toughness. Last year this probably would have been a loss. Great Job on D by Julian. It's great that there are so many guys that can step up if others are having on off night offensively. Makes it very tough on the other team.

momX4 13 years, 3 months ago

I saw someone else ask this but no answer. For those of us who are still learning, what does LGSU stand for?

isolve4x 13 years, 3 months ago

I've said it since I saw him at Late Night, SHERRON COLLINS IS SPECIAL! That kid is so fun to watch when he drives to the basket, yet he's really unselfish with the ball. It seems like he can find the basket no matter what position he's facing after a crazy spin move! He's also a class act, just like the rest of the guys we have. I had the privilege of meeting him at Late Night, and he seemed like a super nice kid!

Great game, guys! It's starting to come together!!

jayloco 13 years, 3 months ago

SAHM2tylrnathan-I heard them taunting Rush. What were they saying? People give us crap because they say or fans whine and cry after every call against us. I have never seen as much crying and whining from a fan base as KSU did once they got buried in that 16-4 run. Their fans desparately wanted a "T" on Self after the 10 second call late in the game. I thought it was awesome that they showed 1 KSU female fan as the telecast on ESPN was going off and she was hiding her eyes and crying. AWESOME. They really thought the streak was going to end this year.

As for our team, wow, great performance in a very hostile environment. Collins is the man. What a frosh. He had some problems in the 1st half with turnovers, but more than made up for it in the 2nd half. DA with a great game, Mario seems to be finding his way out of a funk, don't overlook JW's defensive presence last night on Hoskins. He shut him down. Brandon woke up late and gave us some juice to close it out. Great win for the Hawks.

I think it is key for the Hawks to win out and at least win 2 in the BIG XII tourney. They do that and I think there is no way we aren't at least a #2 seed. I would LOVE for the Hawks to end up in the Midwest section of the bracket and play rounds 3 and 4 in St. Louie. I-70 would turn into a virtual caravan of Crimson and Blue and would ultimately make it 2 (hopefully) home games for the Hawks. Really liking the way this team is peaking right now. Hopefully those first round blues will be ignored this year.

quigley 13 years, 3 months ago

This team is playing in a way that remindes me of our hawks team that made it all the way to the Tourney Championship game. Every night lately, someone steps up for our team. And It is not always the same player either. That is what successfull teams bring to the table.

jonas 13 years, 3 months ago

Man, some KU fans are vicious, aren't they?

SAHM2tylrnathan 13 years, 3 months ago

Because Brandon's personal life has no place being used on the court, I hate to repeat it. But I really want everybody to be pissed off that their fans were this rude. The taunt was "deadbeat daddy," and it was planned and orchestrated. I would have been embarassed if our fans did that, and frankly, I was kind of embarassed for theirs. I don't know if somebody told them to quit after the first round because I really only heard it at full volume one time, but it was loud and completely understandable (we were directly opposite the fan section). I think KU fans got chastised earlier in the season for a similar personal taunt, so KStaters obviously didn't get the hint. Without that bit of nastiness, it would have been a class act of intimidation and school spirit. I can't help but think that with Huggie and the thugs around, KSU will become our new MU.

dbgjayhawk 13 years, 3 months ago

what, you're just mad cuz you're team is not good. i mean, it's pretty lame that you have to refer to the oral roberts game. but while we're on the subject, remember nebraska. yeah, you lost to them and we beat them by 53. put that in your pipe and smoke it.

tdub 13 years, 3 months ago

Yeah, was that a "deadbeat daddy" chant from the KSU crowd for Rush? Why shouldn't we demand an apology from KSU's AD just as Lew did for the DUI fiasco? He may be a daddy, but he's no Giles.

Katie Van Blaricum 13 years, 3 months ago

For sure, this Huggins guy looks to be on par with Quin Snyder, as far as greasyness and nastiness goes. The new coach at Mizzou isn't as hate-able as Huggins. Perhaps KSU will become the new MU.

Seth Peattie 13 years, 3 months ago

You've never won against KU in your building. Never. 24 years and you can't win a single game? Don't talk about not being able to win, tool.

24 years. Suck it.

justanotherfan 13 years, 3 months ago

KU put together the kind of win they will need in another two or three weeks - winning without your best stuff, in a hostile environment against a team playing as if their season depended on it.

The key word for this team is balance. KU has five (count 'em, five) players that can take over a game or half. Last night Mario (what was that about a slump) Chalmers had a big first half to keep the team in it while everyone else found their game. Then Sherron and Darrell took over in the second half. Julian and Brandon were offensively ineffective (a rarity), but both contributed on the defensive end and on the glass. It's possible that no KU player will make first team all Big XII (because of Durant, Boggans, Maric, Law, Curry and others). Still, this team can make a deep tournament run.

The only really troubling thing I have consistently seen from this team is free throw shooting. Rush was 5-9 last night. That has to improve. He's a good enough shooter to go 7 or 8 for 9 in a given night. Julian and Darrell also have to knock theirs down, as do RussRob, Mario and Sherron (because they handle the ball so much down the stretch). Other than that, this team is ready for March.

thehawkster 13 years, 3 months ago

someone needs a nap. Nap time for poor cranky kuhater

Seth Peattie 13 years, 3 months ago

"Three live chickens were thrown on the court before the game during introduction of KU players. .."

3 Live Chickens: $12 Size 56L (TERRIBLE) Black Vest: $4 Black Shirt (Blackout!!!!!!): $3.25 Extending Streak To 24 Years (on National TV): SUCK IT.

isolve4x 13 years, 3 months ago

Hey kuhater, i didn't know they had computers up there at Land Grant State University already!! What, did you get all the old ones that have a broken Shift key and a stuck ........ We'll see you in 10 years when KSUck gets a message board of it's own.

kuhater 13 years, 3 months ago

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okjhok 13 years, 3 months ago

Can't believe the homophobe hasn't been deleted yet...I second the "suck it" remark

okjhok 13 years, 3 months ago

One of the few comments my wife did make about the game was the hideous attire of Huggie. I liked it when they panned to his dad in the stands. He must be so proud.

dbgjayhawk 13 years, 3 months ago

are there forums for gay state somewhere cuz i'd like to got post there for a while.

Seth Peattie 13 years, 3 months ago

24 Years Tool. 24 years.

1983: President Reagan was in office, people were running out to buy their very own Rubik's Cube ("these things are great!") and ET was on fire at the Box Office.

KSU: never won against KU in their building. Never.
KU: Won 34/35 against KSU. Not a rivalry, is it?

Great game, love the "BLACK OUT!" idea and the chickens were fun too. End result is the same, isn't it.
Now, you run back to work (Del Taco) and don't you dare forget my extra hot sauce/napkins.

Know your role, clown.

dbgjayhawk 13 years, 3 months ago

oh, and our women beat gay state too. what a great week.

jayhawka15fan 13 years, 3 months ago

KSU did us a big favor with all the hype, and backing it up by playing us tough. The Hawks learned a lot more about themselves, and gained a lot more confidence last night than they would have with another blowout. This year we can win the low scoring games too. That helps come March.

Thanks Huggy!!!

Seth Peattie 13 years, 3 months ago

No kidding, OKJ. What in the hell was that outfit? "Coach" Huggins was dressed to IMPRESS last night, huh?

"Honey, should I go with the suit or the long sleeve purple shirt with the satin vest outfit?"

So typical of Manhattan, KS.

Chris Kurtz 13 years, 3 months ago

I guess Rush and the whole KU team can chant right back at KSU WHO'S YOUR DADDY? KU is. :)

jaycolo 13 years, 3 months ago

Did thuggins come up with blackout monday? He said he had the flu, but when I was drinking 5 days a week like huggins in college we called that a hangover. Pretty classy manhappenin. Pretty classy...

Joe Ross 13 years, 3 months ago

Huggins: "Remember February 19th. That's when we'll break 'The Streak'. Then we'll have a rivalry."

The Bible: "Hope deferred maketh the heart sick."

Me: One win does not a rivalry make.

ryanjasondesch 13 years, 3 months ago

Someone please fill me in on the "Dead Beat Daddy" chant, cuz this is certainly the first time I've heard of anything of the sort concerning Brandon. And the "On Probation" chant? Give me a break. What did we lose, one scholarship? Whoa, that's serious, kinda like a postseason ban or something. I've been blown away by the "class" of the KSU crowd, quite disgusting behavior IMO. It's amazing to read things being said like "We own KU," and "KU cheats." Maybe I've been stuck in a parallel universe for the last 25 years. Or KSU fans are actually the bottom-feeder fairweather idiots they appear to be. Either way, next year we'll make it a full quarter century in AFW.

Soapdish 13 years, 3 months ago

Okay I was totally lost at yelling "Dead Beat Daddy" at Rush. If no one wants to get into it, I completely understand, but I'd be interested to know what that was all about because holy cow, inappropriate.

isolve4x 13 years, 3 months ago

I kind of liked the dressing in black thing. They were all ready for their FUNERAL!!! I THIRD the SUCK IT remark!!!!

rosewta 13 years, 3 months ago

To all KSU fans who opened their pieholes before the season predicting so many great things for KSU basketball- SCOREBOARD. Whooping up on KSU in football and 2 wins in basketball should shut them up for for awhile. What's funny is that it is unlikely we'll lose anyone to the NBA next year so lets go for "the silver anniversary game" next year and put 25 consecutive losses on those wannabees. Throwing chickens on the floor before the game should have resulted in a technical foul. Somewhere in Manhattan, some chicken farmer is pissed that someone stole his chickens.

jayloco 13 years, 3 months ago

Yeah, time for KSU to step up and apologize for that comment on Brandon. That's BS and really out of line. Lew better demand an apology. I have to laugh at our fellow Kansans. They want so bad for us to see them as a rival and it just ain't happenin'. They make all that noise out west and no one seems to care. They can't get it through their skulls that we don't really see them in the same light as MU. They can't stand that MU could care less about them as well. They are a non-factor and that kills them to no end. The fact that very few KU or MU fans recognize their 10-15 year football successes bothers them a lot as well. Poor KSU

BigTamale 13 years, 3 months ago

I totally agree with all the posts about "Huggy Bears" attire...

  1. It was hiddeous
  2. Did anyone notice that he had a suit on at the begining (no tie, of course)
  3. I would have been more impressed had he wore a "Tuxedo-T-Shirt"...at least then I know he has style.

Anyways, Good win and especially good game from the Rookies:

  1. Collins should be our MVP (MOP)
  2. Arthur looks more like our Double-Double guy...he was a beast last night.

milehighhawker 13 years, 3 months ago

LAJayhawk5....while I usually do not approve of comments like the ones you made today,.......I have to say, I chuckled at almost everyone of them, they were hilarious. On another matter, even my wife was asking me why that girl was crying. PRICELESS!!!

jcsmith 13 years, 3 months ago

Perfect scenerio,

What do people wear to funerals?

BLACK.....

BLACK OUT? Any coencidence?

Atleast they all dressed right for the occasion. But I guess when you've been buried the last 24 years in a row, your pretty used to it.

dbgjayhawk 13 years, 3 months ago

huggins is probably going to be the new larry eustachy of the big 12. i wonder if he'll last more than five seasons in mancrappin.

chase353 13 years, 3 months ago

Speaking of suck it, I love Cartier Martin sucking for air, and pulling on his shirt just when his team needed him the most. He's not even starting the game, talk about SUCK IT.

Joshua Hann 13 years, 3 months ago

Not much more to say. You guys all said it. Great win, not great play, but got the W. That's all the matters. But did anyone see the guy on the replay when Huggins got T-ed up flipping off the ref? That was great. What does that do as a fan besides make you look like a complete ass on national tv? That pretty much sums up there fans. Beak 'em baby!

Joe Ross 13 years, 3 months ago

I thought LGSU was the lesbian and gay student union????

Seriously...

missKU 13 years, 3 months ago

Go vote for Russ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is one of the finalist for the 2007 Cousy award. Acie Law has 74% of the votes right now so we need to show up for Russ. http://www.cousyaward.com/results.asp

Cornfed 13 years, 3 months ago

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milehighhawker 13 years, 3 months ago

Most people probably didn't catch the Marquette vs Villinova game but Jay Bilas actually found a way to give KU props in a Big East game stating that he think KU will be a dangerous team in the tourney, making it at least the the Elite 8 and probably final 4. Couldn't believe it. KU got props.

halvhawk 13 years, 3 months ago

what was with the announcers building up bramlage all night saying it rivals anywhere they've been. i wonder why...maybe beacause we were in town? too bad we do it 20 times a year no matter who we're playing, and they do it once...when we're playing

halvhawk 13 years, 3 months ago

on another note....

i am loving how we're beginning to dominate ksu in everything...

baseball- big XII champs football- kansas wins 39-20 mens bb- 33/34 belong to the 'hawks, and heck.... womens bb- double OT victory

Kit Duncan 13 years, 3 months ago

Actually, the postings on this board have been pretty subdued. Everyone could be quoting the KU student body's reply to State's lame yell: "Eat 'em up, eat 'em up, KSU", (which I won't quote here).

Beak 'em 'Hawks!

Michael Leiker 13 years, 3 months ago

This team seriously deserves to win it all. Reading these quotes, it would just be a great story for this good of a group of kids to win the whole thing. Glad that we have kids saying stuff like this representing KU.

actorman 13 years, 3 months ago

oh, and our women beat gay state too. what a great week.


That's really sad that a KU fan has to stoop to KSU's homophobic level. Please try to not make KU fans look like the bigoted morons at LGSU.

Robert Murphy 13 years, 3 months ago

The K State fans looked like a bunch of undertakers, all in black. How appropiate to see KU bury Huggins and the wildcats.

Chris Kurtz 13 years, 3 months ago

I was so pissed off at the Marquette Villanova game. They couldn't stop fouling. Missed the start of the KU game. Marquette was up 8 points and they were fouling with under a minute to go! Refs seemed like they knew that KU fans were waiting to watch a game and they had to delay it. ESPN needs to cut away.

wildcat86 13 years, 3 months ago

Honestly, I don't care what kind of a response I get to this post, but you all call yourselves "classy fans"? What do you call all this Wildcat bashing on here? That's not classy. I wasn't at the game, but I did watch it on TV and Huggins didn't flip the ref off; he cussed the ref out and it was clearly shown on the TV what he said. I do agree with you all that Huggins needs to get a new attire and maybe a little attitude change, but what happens in the past should stay in the past and not be brought up. This is pertaining to what Huggins did in Cincinatti. The guy is a first year coach and if I remember right, Self was in the same position a few years back. New coaches have to deal with the previous coach's recruits their first year in the program before they can recruit who they want. I'm not bitter about the loss. I'm a KSU fan, yes, but they can't win them all. No team can win all their games, so what's the point in complaining when your team doesn't win?

I have to say that if KSU wasn't around, then all of you people would starve. The people who work in food companies here in Kansas and across the country, they are graduates of KSU. KSU also is responsible for 80% for the meat production here in KS. Just because KSU is predominately an Agriculture school doesn't mean that it is a "Land Grant" School. All Universities have to have some kind of Land Grant in order to build their school so get off of calling KSU a "Land Grant" school.

And lastly, who went to a Bowl Game this season? Who was 7-5 and beat a strong team like Texas with a first year coach and a true freshman at quarterback? Just because you all may have beat us in football this year, doesn't automatically classify you as dominating in everything. Football is going to flip-flop back and forth.

Oh, one more thing. For those of you who say that I have no right to post on here, think again. I was born and raised in Lawrence, so I do have every right to post on articles on here.

Neom 13 years, 3 months ago

"Chalmers finished with a team-leading 17 points off 5-of-11 shooting."

------ I thought Sherron had 20 points.

hawkfan4life 13 years, 3 months ago

Sherron is a BEAST! He is fearless, I was impressed with his scoring last night and the way he aggressively drove to the basket, but I was most impressed with one of his defensive rebounds. He outjumped all of the big men on the floor, I was thinking to myself what in the world was he doing in the paint in the first place? The kid is amazingly fast and I enjoy watching him! Great game hawks!!! Keep it up, it is great being at work today so that I can make sure all of the LGSU alumni saw the game and know just how good we are!

Andrew Ledell 13 years, 3 months ago

nobody said huggins flipped off a ref. that was a fan in the background. if huggins would have been stupid enough to flip off a ref during a game, (which i would hope no ncaa basketball coach would be) he would have been immediately ejected, i'm sure. make sure you read the post correctly before you respond so emotionally.

Chris Shaw 13 years, 3 months ago

kickazzkurtz: That was the dumbest comment I have read today and I have now burned vital brain cells after reading your worthless post. The Marquette/Villanova game actually wasn't a bad game and you're pissed you missed the beginning of the KU game. If I recall correctly KU was up 7 points last year to Mizzou with 38 seconds left and we managed to go into overtime and lose that game. Because of unfortuante situations like KU last year, ESPN can not cut away from games like that. Hopefully, I can now go learn something, build some dendrites for my loss of brain cells from Kickazzkurtz.

SAHM2tylrnathan 13 years, 3 months ago

All I can figure is that the KState fans are a bit confused with Mr. Giles and Mr. Rush. After all, they were roommates, right? I noticed that somebody on the discussion boards had said they thought the chant was Baby Daddy instead, does that make any more sense???

And wildcat, I have seen (and written) more than one comment on this thread that said what an improvement KSU has made in bball. Also, I don't think I would be singing the praises of a 7-5 record just because it got you into a bowl game.

jayloco 13 years, 3 months ago

wildcat86-Who said we were classy? There seems to be this ridiculous notion that fans are "classy". What is a classy fan? This is our BB, so if we want to bash KSU, that is our right on our BB. Is somebody going over to the KSU site and posting stuff? Don't see how stating the truth on most stuff is "not classy". Have we not dominated you in basketball? You agreed on Huggy's attire, so we don't have to cover that. The stupid gay comments need to stop I agree.

We would starve? Come on bro'. You are giving you and your school way too much credit. KU does not focus on agricultural curriculi because your school specializes in it. Don't you think the good state of Kansas would be smart enough to provide that education at KU if it was needed and KSU existed? Come on man, you know that would be the case.

I think you are getting way bent out of shape for the LGSU statements. Just my opinion, but is that really that derrogatory statement? You said it yourself, all schools have some kind of land grant, so why does it bother you so much? Isn't it the truth in regards to KSU?

Who went to a bowl? Who cares? Who beat a team that was strong enough to beat Texas this year, with a freshman at QB? That is sort of a silly way of backing up your football program. We beat you straight up. In fact, as I remember it, we beat you guys pretty handily correct? Also, don't underestimate the fact that Colt McCoy went out hurt early. You won, I will give you that, but if he doesn't go out, that games looks a WHOLE lot different.

You can post if you want man, I don't really see how you being born and raised in Lawrence has anything to do with it, as it is a KU BB, but feel free to post. Bottom line though is that your post tends to uphold a stereotype of KSU fans. You all seem to have this inferiority complex and feel the need to puff out your chest every chance you get. Face it, you will NEVER be our main rival because of the history between Missouri and Kansas. There is too much bad blood between us and MU for you to ever replace MU as our hated rival. You will continue to be that little brother who wants to join into the scuffle between the big boys. Just accept it man. Try to be happy for the overall well being of Kansas.

jayloco 13 years, 3 months ago

Also, anyone correct me if I am wrong, but have you ever heard of or seen a KU fan taking someone's sign and tearing it up? I heard this happened last night at the KSU game and if it did, that is the epitomy of an "unclassy" fan. I have heard of this happening at KSU and MU, but never KU. I could definitely be wrong, so check me if I am, but this is the epitomy of an "unclassy" fan base wildcat86....

Joe Ross 13 years, 3 months ago

To: Wildcat86 RE: "I have to say that if KSU wasn't around, then all of you people would starve. The people who work in food companies here in Kansas and across the country, they are graduates of KSU. KSU also is responsible for 80% for the meat production here in KS. "

At first I laughed. Not that your numbers aren't plausible, but that ONLY A KSTATE FAN would talk about meat production on a sports comment page.

Are you for real???

My second thought was "Thanks KSU for doing your part to support the greatest university in the state: KU."

Maybe you guys would do a little better if you didn't confuse agriculture with basketball.

jayloco 13 years, 3 months ago

SAHM2tylrnathan-I think deadbeat daddy was the correct chant. Brandon apparently has a 1 year old with a lady. I also read that Kareem is footing the bill for the child until Brandon jumps to the NBA. I thought they were saying "Danning Manning", maybe taunting him, or paying homage to the man that brought the state of Kansas its first Natl Championship since 1952 in basketball.

bmcmich1 13 years, 3 months ago

Atta kid jayloco! kittycat86's comments nearly made me vomit on myself. Being from Lawrence as well, the thought of attending k-suck after high school was about the LAST thing on my mind. All the socially awkward morons from my graduating class at LHS went to k-suck, just reconfirming my opinion of it.

As many of you obviously know by now, the kitty cats actually MADE notecards for their fans and handed them out prior to the game. These notecards included everything from the Rush comments listed above to homosexual references to our school to lame attempts at insults involving our mild scrapes with the NCAA.

My thoughts on the matter: A school (they'll never be a university in my mind) that has to actually give their students a handout that tells them what to cheer should tell you all you need to know about that sad joke we call k-suck. What a bunch of inbred, classless, toothless creatures--to have the audacity to call us 'little brother' when WE are THE University of Kansas, and they are the ones with 'state' following the name shows a complete loss of reality and lack of intelligence.

AND FINALLY... Oh Huggy, what are you thinking with that getup last night?? I think I've seen that outfit somewhere before...oh yes! Vegas! My dealer at the Golden Nugget! Say it with me, Bob, "changing 500..."

dbgjayhawk 13 years, 3 months ago

everyone needs to settle down about the whole gay thing. it's just a generational thing. instead of calling people idiots, we call them gay. it doesn't really matter either way. you can't tell me calling someone an idiot is a lesser offense than calling someone gay.

brahl 13 years, 3 months ago

SHERRON COLLINS, you are quickly becoming the best player on our team, and with the "team first" mentality that you have, you definitely have the highest ceiling of anyone on our team.

Continue with the attitude that you have. You will get your chance to start, you will get more minutes than any other guard, you will get more points, assists, steals, and all the glory you can imagine if you keep your head in the right place and keep playing like you are.

We will be in the final four this year and it will be because of you, keep it up.

truefan 13 years, 3 months ago

Good game. Wildcat86 can get his own posting board. Kuhater is obviously the most unclassy person on here and you are trying to defend your fans? You might want to read the other posts, buddy. You didn't beat a strong team, Texas A) was over rated B) was missing their starting QB because of an injury in the first quarter. Not to mention I'm glad you went to the bowl game and got embarrassed by Rutgers. One of my friends goes to KU and grew up in Manhattan and you don't see him posting on your message boards now do you? You have a right to your opinion, but you can keep it to yourself or post it on your own message boards. Have some class and stop trying to instigate an argument.

jayloco 13 years, 3 months ago

the note card thing was pretty lame and really now, if you have to tell your fans when, how, and what to cheer, you really haven't arrived have you?? Can you ever imagine someone coming up to KU fans and saying, "OK, here is what we are going to cheer, OK? Read up and study and let's make a great appearance on ESPN OK? Thanks a lot Jayhawk fans!" That is borderline ridiculous.

jhawker137 13 years, 3 months ago

Posted by kuhater (anonymous) on February 20, 2007 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

wow all you people are smart........coming from the gay capital of kansas y dont you guys go play oral roberts again........... o yeah you queers couldnt win.. haha

Written like a true K-State student. It's okay, we understand that you weren't smart enough to get into Mizzou. As a person we forgive your stupidity, now go back to working at Denny's and leave the educated to their conversation about basketball. A sport that your mental abilities at K-state have yet to allow you to grasp.

This is just mean and I have lowered myself to a K-state fan level. But, in making fun of K-state, it puts me back in good standings with the Jayhawk nation!!!

benz78 13 years, 3 months ago

wildcat86 - "And lastly, who went to a Bowl Game this season? Who was 7-5 and beat a strong team like Texas with a first year coach and a true freshman at quarterback? Just because you all may have beat us in football this year, doesn't automatically classify you as dominating in everything. Football is going to flip-flop back and forth."

Wow wildcat86, you didn't just go there did you? How did you do in that bowl game again?

I got into this same argument with a guy at a party I was at after the A&M loss. What most KSU fans fail to see is the big picture. In BB we have won 34 of the last 35 or something like that. 24 straight on your home floor. In football we've won 2 of the last 3 and the L was a 13-3 offensive shootout in that big hole you call a stadium. But no matter how badly we beat KSU in anything, they always go back to their last 10-15 years of football dominance. How's your overall winning percentage coming along? If you want to talk football, let's talk about all time records not just the last 10-15 years. If you want to talk basketball, let's talk about all time records not just the last 24 years. K-State fans, take the blinders off and you will see the big picture. Kansas is the best program in the state and you are our SECOND biggest rival. I'd much rather beat Mizzery than the Mildcats any day.

Dirk Medema 13 years, 3 months ago

The (CA) bartender's comment upon turning on the KU game was, "Oh my god, is that Barney or his brother? That outfits gotta go."

jaybate 13 years, 3 months ago

jhawker137,

Can there really be a KSU fan sick enough to write what you quoted? Very sad.

It is so hateful, it almost seems like one of those false flag posts someone puts up to make KSU look bad.

Regardless, I trust you were not involved.

Whoever did do it, its a dreadful thing to have done.

bmcmich1 13 years, 3 months ago

benz78 - thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!! Finally, someone else who knows that k-suck is AWFUL in football with the exception of their little 10-15 yr stint. Those purple idiots think that the game of football didn't exist before 1992! We OWN the all time series, and that is something I think even 'Hawk fans forget from time to time. As far as owning the basketball series over the last 24 years, well, that kind of goes without saying. ROCK CHALK!

bmkjayhawk 13 years, 3 months ago

I just got on here today and skimmed a few things, so I have not read everything. But I just wanted to say that I think it shows less class to chant what KSU students were chanting at Brandon Rush last night than the DUI chant at Allen a couple weeks ago.

Chris Kurtz 13 years, 3 months ago

Kushaw...sorry I'm not a PhD like you....but CBS during the tournament cuts away for markets that other games are more important to that market. My point was ESPN should do this to. So yes, go learn something.

bmcmich1 13 years, 3 months ago

Don't worry about it kurtz, I think most of us know what you meant--it really sucks and is quite frustrating to be watching some Big East game that you really don't care about when you are missing a 'hawk game!

Niraj Shah 13 years, 3 months ago

Great Win boys, let us get ready for ISU on Saturday. They seem to always give us trouble at AFH the last few years.

Chris Kurtz 13 years, 3 months ago

bmcmich1.....in my family we always have this joke about KU playing on ESPN after a Big East game. We always predict the Big East game will go to OT. Doesn't seem to happen unless KU is playing. So many times they go to overtime it seems like we miss the first half. Been lucky the last year though.

BigTamale 13 years, 3 months ago

Kickazz...

I have posted the whole ESPN thing in the past. I remember when the 2nd Gulf War started, CBS had a conflict of Covering both the NCAA tournament AND the Gulf War.

So, they handed over the responsibility of broadcasting the Daytime coverage to ESPN from time to time.

Guess what?

ESPN WAS ABLE TO BREAK FOR LOCAL COVERAGE! So the question is...why don't they do it?

We always have to wait for the Big LEast to finish their games because they are always fouling!!

Every Big Monday game we play, I pray for a Blow Out in the Big LEast.

Can you guys remember an ESPN game where we were actually able to catch the Opening tipoff?????

acslater 13 years, 3 months ago

kickazzkurtz- CBS is a network with affiliates in different local markets, and can send the feeds from different games to different places based on those affiliates. ESPN is a cable network with one feed and can not show different things in different places.

BigTamale 13 years, 3 months ago

ESPN is affliated with ABC...yes, they are cable, but they do have the Technology to be able to switch. But they don't do it (see my above post).

Kristen Murphy 13 years, 3 months ago

I think it's funny how you guys are getting all upset about the Brandon Rush comment, but yet you make fun of Huggins and his DUI?! That makes sense. I'm not saying I'm proud of the comment, but calling Huggins "Thuggins" is just as bad. It's his personal life too.

Oh and I'm glad it was a somewhat close game. This is how I would like to see the KU/K-State games. The Allen Fieldhouse was just embarrassing.

Oh and the LGSU comment - um I'm a K-State grad making good $$. So yeah, we're not all hicks. Just b/c Manhattan is in the middle of nowhere doesn't make it a hick school. There is maybe one sliver of the college that has the Ag. department. The rest isn't cow patties and cowboys. It hasn't been that way in a while.

Chris Kurtz 13 years, 3 months ago

Kstater.....it's just giving KSU fans a hard time. We don't really think that all Kstaters are hicks and poor. They all might be idiots though. LOL just kidding again. It's poking fun at your weak spots is all. And I'm sure that all MU fans don't sell thier souls to the devil........just a long term lease.

If CBS can switch then the technology is available. So ESPN needs to pony up the money. At least they could split the screen when they are subing for some guy who just fouled out. They annoy me with 30 at 30 updates and split the screen.

Migady 13 years, 3 months ago

Just wanting to clear some items up from the game last night... K-State fans: Threw live chickens on the court Made group index cards to chant with (Like cheating on a test) Dressed in all Black (Proud of schools given color Purple?) Rush is a deadbeat dad? Tore up a sign from a KU fan. Compare Basketball to food supply. Has now lost 24 YEARS in a row AT HOME. Come back EVERY SINGLE GAME, more confident they will win than the year before. And they are still monitoring our message boards. Who wouldn't be proud to strap on a purple suit and call themselves a Classy Cat? To all you K-State fans out there, I have one question... What about yourself makes you proud to be a wildcat? Please, try to refrain from saying, "at least were not gay," or "live in a homo state", or whatever normally comes to your minds first.

CindiCat 13 years, 3 months ago

"kickazz" TOTALLY agree with your 4:04 post and 5:02 post. :)

wildcat86 13 years, 3 months ago

maybe you should apply that advice to yourself too...

and i went to ksu because i was tired of lawrence and because i'm a ksu fan and ksu has one of the top 10 vet school's in the nation and ku is all about liberal arts which doesn't interest me at all. that's the reason i went to ksu and not ku after graduating from free state. at least i didn't go to mizzou.

dbgjayhawk 13 years, 3 months ago

good point. i'm sure there are some people from manhattan who go to ku for med school.

Larry Smith 13 years, 3 months ago

I just wanna know how he came up with the 80% of meat production in the state. Either he is incredibaly stupid to believe this, or he is just trying to make up a stat to impress someone about that pasture they call a university.

Because I can tell you with 100% certainty that that statement is false.

jayloco 13 years, 3 months ago

KSTATER- the reason I think it is worse is because there is no evidence that Brandon is a deadbeat. Not really sure on where your fans got their info, but nobody really knows much about that personal matter and I would hate to speculate on it either. All I can gather is that he has a 1 year old and Kareem is helping him with supporting the child until he gets out of school and can do it on his own. If that is the case, how can Brandon be seen as a deadbeat? I have had this argument as well on the kcstar discussion board and would rather not bring it over here, but I just think that is taking it a little far since the proposed evidence would not make you to believe Rush is a deadbeat daddy.

kuhater 13 years, 3 months ago

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jaybate 13 years, 3 months ago

Understanding Bob Huggins,

Huggins earned some curiosity from me last night. He's like a tough guy Larry Eustachy. He found a way to keep it close for awhile against a vastly more talented team. Regardless of how he did (rough housing), he did it. What do we really know about our new arch rival coach besides he was a coach of thug ball at UCinn? What is his basketball heritage? I did some sleuthing and here's what little I found.

Grew up in Ohio, played for his Dad, Charlie (who was at the game) and lead his highschool team to a 26-0 record.

Played PG at West Virginia U 1975-77--a school that produced Jerry West and coach Fred Schaus who won 80% of his games from 1955-60...long before Huggins time.

Played for head coach Joedy Gardner--a Long Beach State product born in Elwood PA--who lasted only 4 seasons at WVU; this means Huggins was pre Gale Catlett at WVU and post glory years of Schaus and West. FWIW, Catlett was Ted Owens assistant at KU, then UCinn coach, the WVU coach.

Got a tryout with the 76ers but got cut.

1977 assist. WVU to Joedy Gardner, Long Beach State guy who fell from grace and now coaches the SoCal Allstars in a league with Jim Harrick.

1978-79 assist at Ohio State to Eldon Miller, an unbeloved coach who got run at OSU, went to U of Northern Iowa and did poorly before quitting.

1980-83 head coach at Walsh University. Didn't find it.

1983-84 assist. U of Central Florida. Couldn't find the head coach.

1985-88 U of Akron head coach

1989-2004 head coach UCinn.

Looking at Huggins' early influences his teams look and play a bit differently perhaps because he comes from a little known basketball town of Gnadenhutten, Ohio, that probably had its own approach to the game because of Huggins strong willed daddy. Huggins played there. His Dad coached him there. And Eldon Miller, once the head coach of Wittenburg, Western Mich., Ohio State and the University of Northern Iowa, came from there also. This is noteworthy, because Gnadenhutten only has 1200 persons. Its a bit like the small high school in Hoosiers producing not one but two big time D1 coaches. Miller had a long career, but was never a big winner. Miller and poppa Huggins probably have a strong connection. Huggins eventually assisted for Miller and later became a big winner himself. It appears Huggins ball traces mainly to Gnadenhutten, Ohio.

Huggins other significant early influence was his WVU coach Joedy Gardner, who he played for. Gardner apparently played for Long Beach State coach Ron Palmer around 1985, a coach with a short, poor record.

With Bob Huggins, his style of basketball seems to track back as much to his father as to anyone else. Interesting.

Has anyone read anything where Huggins talks about the coaches that influenced his style of play?

actorman 13 years, 3 months ago

"you can't tell me calling someone an idiot is a lesser offense than calling someone gay."

Well yes, actually you can. There's no comparison, and for you to say it's on the same level makes YOU an idiot. When you call someone an idiot, you're only insulting the person you said it to. When you call someone gay, as if it's a derogatory term, you demean an entire group of people and perpetuate the stereotype of homosexuals as being inferior. There's a world of difference.

"it really sucks and is quite frustrating to be watching some Big East game that you really don't care about when you are missing a 'hawk game!"

The biggest problem is that ESPN tries to squeeze all these games together. That's why we end up with this same problem year after year. If they would just start the Big XII games 15 minutes later, it would eliminate 90% of the problem. But they care more about not starting 15 minutes later in the Eastern time zone (or half an hour later for the last game) than they do about the fans seeing the beginning of a game.

"I think it's funny how you guys are getting all upset about the Brandon Rush comment, but yet you make fun of Huggins and his DUI?! That makes sense. I'm not saying I'm proud of the comment, but calling Huggins "Thuggins" is just as bad. It's his personal life too."

Um, let's see, one person, in a position of authority as a "mature" adult, commits a crime that endangers the lives and health of others, with an alcohol rate twice the legal limit; the other one has a child out of wedlock and makes arrangements for the child to be fully supported by his brother until he can do it himself. Yeah, you're right, they're on an equal level--kind of the way calling someone an idiot and gay is the same thing.

"And I'm sure that all MU fans don't sell thier souls to the devil........just a long term lease."

Classic!!!

ryanjasondesch 13 years, 3 months ago

I've about had it today with all the talk (radio, TV) about what a wonderful environment there was in Bramlage last night. Tell that to the girl whose sign was destroyed. Tell that to the person who was hit with the soda. Tell that to the people hit with various other objects, including (again) coins. This is absolutely unacceptable behavior from anyone. And if someone ever came up and took my property out of my hands and destroyed it, regardless of value, I would be pressing charges for assault and destruction of property. KU fans might have some borderline chants (at least we don't need crib notes though!), but there is never a case of assault on opposing team's fans.

Why won't the media cover that instead of all this sucking up to KSU? KU won and all I've heard today is positive BS about KSU and their 'future.' And no apologies from KSU? Perkins, you are a fool for apologizing when we had nothing to apologize for, you should be demanding one today, yet you are conspicuously silent.

I guess with the media, KU winning is just the same 'ol story and they're looking for something new, and KSU assaulting fans and players is old news too. The new news? KSU doesn't suck quite as bad as they have for the last 25 years! Wow, I'm f'n blown away! Maybe next year they'll only lose by 8 points!

KSU: Striving to be Missouri for 10 months and counting!

Chris Kurtz 13 years, 3 months ago

I think idiots is a group of people to! Columbia and Manhattan? LOL

Seth Peattie 13 years, 3 months ago

Dear Kansas State Fans.

24 years in a row. Shut your collective mouths. 24 years is embarrassing. Not a streak like it in all of sports.

24 years. SHUT YOUR MOUTH.

Thanks.

dbgjayhawk 13 years, 3 months ago

actorman, i think you're wrong. but i'm not going to be immature and call you an idiot. you have your opinion and i have mine; it's a free country, at least last time i checked. i don't see how idiot is not a derogatory term that doesn't apply to a group of individuals. also, how does calling someone gay make gay people feel inferior? calling someone an idiot makes them feel inferior also. there is no difference at all. it's like saying that the f-word is worse than the a-word. there's no difference at all. please come back when you have a valid and well thought out arguement.

Chris Kurtz 13 years, 3 months ago

A gay person is just a happy individual. A homesexual is someone who likes to have sex with an individual of the same sex. Somewhere along the line people started calling them gay. Probably because they act so happy! If you call someone gay your trying to put them down I agree. Just like if you call them a sissy or anything else.

If Gay and the N word are so very very bad then black people and homesexuals need to stop using it so freely as well. Just my opinion. Opinion's are like buttholes, everybody has one......and some people like things in them.

Chris Kurtz 13 years, 3 months ago

So my father is telling me there is some bracket out there on msn.com and some guy has KU as a 2 seed and then says something like 'I guess this is what you get when you play in the week part of the Big 12'.

I'm tired of hearing the North be called so inferior to the South. KSU won at Texas. Texas barely won at NU. Colorado beat OSU and MU won at OSU. 2 of the top 4 teams are from the North and the South. Tech lost to NU. I think if anything there is incosistancy after the top 2 teams, but the North is just as tough as the South. Plus, KU has to play thier two biggest rivals twice.

kc_wildfire 13 years, 3 months ago

It is days like this, after reading so many posts centered around name calling and "suck it" remarks, I am embarrassed to admit I am a KU fan.

What ever happened to good sportsmanship and winning with dignity?

killjoy 13 years, 3 months ago

No kidding.

Dear Kansas State Fans,

We don't claim the "suck it" person as a KU fan and we don't know why his/her parents don't monitor his/her internet usage.

Chris Kurtz 13 years, 3 months ago

Just saw on the news that MU just beat OU from the south, and has won three in a row and 4 of the last 5. Good thing we got to play such a bad team on the road and only won by 18. Imagine if we were in the south.....we'd have to play Baylor twice, go to OK st. who everybody is beating and get a rematch at home with Tech. Oh me oh my.

indyhawk 13 years, 3 months ago

wow -- I don't know what to say -- That was the most comments that I have ever read and probably 75% of them were just crying about something or another.. Last nights games was a great one!! I am glad to see KSU playing a bit tougher against us cause we need that type of challenge to make us a better team. Why can't people simply comment on how hard our guys played and how these guys are finally starting to play like they have a desire to win and close out games?

On a side note -- I did enjoy some of the comments poking fun at KSU -- When I was at KU I remember saying that you couldn't SUcK without KSU.. man those were the days :-)

Its a great day to be a Jayhawk!! Rock Chalk.

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