Tuesday, September 12, 2017

Juco teammates de-commit from KU football

Kansas University football recruiting

Kansas University football recruiting


The Kansas football program’s 2018 recruiting class took a pair of losses a little more than 48 hours after the Jayhawks dropped a home game to Central Michigan.

Junior college teammates Jonathan Lolohea and Charles Cameron, both defensive tackles at Copiah-Lincoln Community College (Miss.), announced within 12 minutes of each other late Monday night their decisions to back out of previous non-binding verbal commitments to KU.

Rivals rates Lolohea, listed at 6-foot-3 and 305 pounds, as a three-star prospect, while Cameron, at 6-3, 290, is considered a two-star juco talent.

Lolohea posted his decision first, with a note that read: “I would like to thank Coach (David) Beaty, Coach (Kenny) Perry, Coach (Jesse) Williams and the whole Kansas football staff for all the love and belief in me. I have decided to de-commit from the University of Kansas and reopen my recruiting.”

Shortly after, Cameron tweeted out a similar message: “First off I want to say thank you to the coaching staff (at) Kansas for recruiting me, but I am announcing that I will be de-committing from the University of Kansas and will be opening my recruitment back up. (It’s something) I prayed about and took time to think about and I say thank you to Coach Perry, Coach Williams and Coach Beaty. Thank you guys so much.”

The duo initially committed to Kansas on the same day this past June.

According to Rivals, Lolohea also has offers from Arizona, Colorado, Kansas State, Louisville, Maryland and others.

Rivals’ list of programs with offers out to Cameron includes Colorado, Louisville, TCU and more.

KU’s 2018 recruiting class currently stands at 10 verbal commitments — which don’t become official until players sign letters of intent — headlined by Landry-Walker High teammates Devonta Jason and Corione Harris.

Jason, a five-star receiver, recently listed his top seven schools of interest (in no particular order) as Kansas, Mississippi State, LSU, Miami, Ole Miss, West Virginia and Tennessee.

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Joe Joseph 5 years, 2 months ago

Why even verbally commit anymore?

So stupid.

Waylon Cook 5 years, 2 months ago

The product on the field isn't as great as the Twitter handles in the locker rooms huh?

Bob Bailey 5 years, 2 months ago

Yeah, well, the 'program' isn't twittering away. It is collapsing!

Bryce Landon 5 years, 2 months ago

Collapsing? The program collapsed in 2009 when the team lost seven straight games. It's been collapsed for a long time.

Steve Jacob 5 years, 2 months ago

Kids are smart enough to know Beaty might not be at KU next season after that loss.

Brian Wilson 5 years, 2 months ago

If we fire Beaty after this year the AD is stupid. This is the first year Beaty has a team with a full complement of scholarship players. Many of our Seniors and. Juniors have come from Junior Colleges. So, a great number of our players have only been in the system for one or two years. Not to mention the number of walk-on's we've added just to fill holes. We need both a Junior and a Senior Class that is filled with at least 20 players, actual recruits each that have been in the system for four years and can pass that experience and knowledge down to the yonnger players. When we reach that point then you have a system and a team. The AD needs to let this year's Freshman class make it to their Junior year, just two more years, and then you can start complaining about the job Beaty is doing. Until then, leave Beaty alone. I predicted this year it would be a good year if we win 3. Anything more is just gravy.

Brett McCabe 5 years, 2 months ago

And so, it begins.

Craig Bohl please come on down.

Bryce Landon 5 years, 2 months ago

Why would Craig Bohl want to come to a place where he would be fired where coaches get fired after only 2-3 years? Yes, Beaty is behind schedule in his rebuilding project, and deserves all the criticism he gets for losing to CMU. But firing Beaty now or at the end of this season isn't going to solve anything.

John Strayer 5 years, 2 months ago

Constantly changing coaches won't solve fact it is why KU is in this position. KU has a rep of being in patient and making bad decisions. Need to stick to one of these decisions for a while and restore some confidence with the job pool.

John Fitzgerald 5 years, 2 months ago

I'm not ready to start calling for Beaty's firing but if we continue to lose recruits without gaining new ones it will be difficult to continue to back him. I have faith that he'll straighten this out though and in my opinion I'd prefer true freshmen over JUCO players anyway.

Brian Wilson 5 years, 2 months ago

Exactly.....recruit Freshman. We need that have been the system three and four years that can develop and hand that knowledge down to the younger players. A good 2 Star recruit freshman with athleticism is better than a 3-4 start froma community college IMO.

Daniel Kennamore 5 years, 2 months ago

Coupled with the Baldwin news, really seems like the wheels are starting to fall off for Beaty.

And it's totally justified. By year 3 it's time for more than moral victories.

There's really only 1 or 2 games left on the schedule now we have any shot of winning...and if he doesn't get those he's gone.

Randy Bombardier 5 years, 2 months ago

We cannot keep going down this road of reolacing coaches. Truth is we really should be getting players (especially linemen!) that will be here 5 years. Go get small town Kansas kids that have the physical stature and coach them up, build them up. That will make recruiting so much easier and stable.

Meanwhile keep the staff in place, build discipline, create stability and good things will eventually come. This staff needs a minimum of five years, maybe 8. The season isn't over yet but we're acting like it is. Lets hope that every player, every coach knows what needs ti change. They have the ability. Do they have the sense and the will? Let's let them figure it out.

David Kemp 5 years, 2 months ago

5 years isn't gonna happen. Zenger already started the clock with the 300 mil renovation announcement. They need attendance and wins NOW.

Bryce Landon 5 years, 2 months ago

"The staff needs a minimum of five years, maybe 8."

That's true, but in Year 3, we should not be staring down the barrel of another 1-11 or 2-10 season. There is no reason this team should be any worse than 4-8; yet it looks like it will be.

Brian Wilson 5 years, 2 months ago

wrong!!! This team has zero depth.....and the talent that does have one or two years experience in this system are surrounded by walk-ons and duds. If we win 3 games it's a good year. Beatty needs at least 2 to 3 more years to make this into a program. He needs to recruit freshman and not community college transfers. IMO, good riddance to these players and go find some Kansas beef.....there plenty of talent to bring in develop from scratch.....let's just find some athletes with speed and size.

Marcus Balzer 5 years, 2 months ago

You knew this was coming...added negative attention to a struggling, slowly rebuilding program is not good.

Looking at both of those guys offers why would you want to stay committed to KU? No kid wants to go to a school for a rebuilding project and I don't blame them.

Until this program starts winning games this is going to be happening every week.

The real question long and can we hold on to Devonta Jason?

Danny Delgadillo 5 years, 2 months ago

As I stated earlier on a different thread..... Devonta Jason is getting special attention and visits from the staff at LSU.
Meanwhile we have two Alabama players, (one is a wide receiver from Louisiana) sitting on the bench here in KS watching 32 passes go incomplete while we get our A$$es handed to us by someones baby cousin that goes to Sisters Of The Poor University.
We are far removed from a D1., power 5, Big XII conference school.

Lance Hobson 5 years, 2 months ago

This is what a bad loss in a stadium with many empty seats does. I can't blame them for wanting an atmosphere like CU or Louisville if they can get it. It feels like we're in a hole that we will never get out of.

Steve Corder 5 years, 2 months ago

Deflating! Demoralizing to everyone because it's not that these particular players are so coveted but that one poorly played game has exposed, in the minds of too many, a floundering program to be avoided.

Sure, offer guys a quicker road to playing in a Power 5 conference and you'll get some good pick-ups. However, that proposal begins to fade with every poor showing and loss, and opposing coaches know it.

With a troubling perspective how does the athletic department launch a $350M campaign? Interestingly, such a visionary campaign at this time may be exactly what this program needs.

So, I am not jumping into the toilet bowl just yet. Two games, regardless of particulars clearly enumerated in these comments, does not make me want to quit on this staff and players.

Robert Brock 5 years, 2 months ago

Good. KU needs to aim higher. And bring in Alec Baldwin to close.

Randy Bombardier 5 years, 2 months ago

Frustration abounds but we are not the only ines frustrated. The big question is if we are goung to make it easier or more difficult for our players and coaches? I firmly believe that support from fans and boosters has never been more important. Everyone us critical of our teams play and question whether they are power 5 worthy. I ask that of the fans. Do they look like the fan base of a power 5 team? I don't think so. Iowa State started out with a loss at home to Nothern Iowa, then lost 2 road games, were 3-0 and still had 50,851 in attendance for game 4 when they routed San Jose State. Then they lost 5 more games, beat us in Lawrence and blew Ttech away at home before losing at home to WVA. According to an NCAA report, Iowa State averaged 52,557 last season at Jack Trice Stadium. Thats for a team with 3 wins, which is about typical. The fan base at KU does nothing to help and a great deal to hinder progress. That's a fact. You can argue. You can make excuses and talk about the product not meriting support. Is that the way you support things and people who are important to you? If so, I say they really aren't that important to you at all!

Bryce Landon 5 years, 2 months ago

You forget, though, there's a lot less to do in central Iowa than there is in northeast Kansas, surrounded by the bright lights of both Topeka and Kansas City. Your average Cyclone fan has nothing to look forward to in life other than to slop pigs or watch corn grow. In northeast Kansas you have downtown Lawrence, art and music festivals, plenty of shopping in neighboring Topeka and Kansas City, the Royals and the Chiefs, Sporting KC, and the Kansas Speedway. The people of central Iowa have none of that. All they have is their Cyclones. That is why they are so fanatical - even militant - about ISU sports.

Bryce Landon 5 years, 2 months ago

Bro, not only have I been to Topeka, I lived there for nine years. Wanamaker Road is the busiest street in town; and with all the restaurants and shopping venues, including West Ridge Mall, it's not hard to see why.

Randy Bombardier 5 years, 2 months ago

One more thing. If this conference really would implode, does anyone think KU would be welcomed anywhere with attendance numbers less than the mountain west? You're dreaming if you think the BIG would take a school that cant fill a stadium thats half the size of Michigan with a third of their attendance. Then to the disgrace of its fan base is more than 20,000 under capacity to honor the best team in its history. Get real Jayhawk fans and stop looking at everyone else and do something positive instead of casting blame and whining.

Michael Maris 5 years, 2 months ago

My thoughts are, these 2 DT recruits don't believe in the re-building process. Dominic Williams could've easily jumped ship well before he inked his signature on the LOI. But, he didn't.

Am I disappointed in the loss to Central Michigan? Yes, I am.

However, these past few days, I refrained from displaying my disappointment in that loss. And, I'll wait to see how this season progresses. There are bumps and bruises to still endure (before we can truly analyze how successful or unsuccessful this season is).

I remember watching the 2005 Season (3 game losing stretch) and how disappointed I was (during those football games, vs. Texas Tech, K-State and Oklahoma). Yet, that was Mangino 4th season as the Head Coach @ Kansas.

Based on the fact that Mangino took KU to a bowl game (in his 2nd season), it leads me to believe that the cupboards were NOT completely bare when Mangino arrived to take over for Terry Allen.

However, Coach Beaty walked into (virtually) an empty cupboard. Sure, there were bodies in the cupboard. But as we suffering fans know, the talent level was really down.

So, these Juco DT's are NOT willing to be a part of the rebuilding process.

For what it's worth, I think that Coach Beaty could very well be Kansas's version of Coach Bill Snyder. I truly think that Coach Beaty's in for the LONG HAUL and not looking to jump ship somewhere down the road.

But, only time will tell. #ROCKCHALK

Brett McCabe 5 years, 2 months ago

Look at Snyder's record in years two and three before making that comparison. Or Mason's or Mangino's.

We harmed ourself through idiotic scheduling, making it tougher than it ever needed to be and playing teams in locales we don't recruit. We can't even get the basics right, which is one of the problems with the program.

Zinger took two wild flyers on his hiring and basically invited the fan base to put him on the clock. Had he hired one credible coach: a coordinator from a major program or a head coach from a mid-major, then there would probably be a great deal more patience with this program.

Don't give Beaty a pass. He applied for the job, he wanted it, it's his and he owns it - every inch of it.

Bottom line is this, as of today, the on-field performance has shown no improvement. If he beats Ohio or someone else this year not named Baylor, then maybe, maybe, maybe you keep him - but there would need to be a lot of reasons why to do it other than 2 wins, one vs. an FCS team.

We run a stupid football program. We schedule stupidly, we hire strangely and then Randy blames the fans.

Joe Black 5 years, 2 months ago

Just for reference sake, Synder's first five years: 1)1-10 non conference games vs Arizona State, Northern Iowa, Northern Illinois, North Texas (only win of the season was against North Texas) 2) 5-6 non conference games vs Western Illinois, New Mexico State, Northern Illinois, New Mexico (won all the non-conference games except vs Northern Illinois) 3) 7-4 non conference games vs Indiana State, Idaho State, Northern Illinois, Washington (won all the non-conference games except vs Washington) 4) 5-6 non conference games vs Montana, Temple, New Mexico State, Utah State (won all the non-conference games except vs Utah State) 5) 9-2-1 non conference games vs New Mexico State, Western Kentucky, Minnesota, UNLV (won all the non-conference games) Made it to the Copper Bowl where they blew Wyoming out of the water.

Layne Pierce 5 years, 2 months ago

100% concur on fans and attendance. Think about how impressive late night is to recruits who come to visit KU Allen Field House, or see a game like West Virginia. Right now, we the fans have basically surrendered. We have tried not supporting our team until they are successful, and it is not working.

I don't care about these 2 recruits, because I have questions about how the players we do have our being used. Is this staff maximizing our teams strengths and minimizing our weaknesses. That's what Glen Mason did, and Mark Mangino. A pathetic fan base, inefficient use of players, time clock, no viable combination of offense and defense designed to win, that is what I'm concerned about.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 2 months ago

I don't think the fans have surrendered. This program has been putting out a subpar performance ever since Mangino left. We certainly do not have a pathetic fan base. Anybody who has ever seen a game at Allen Fieldhouse knows our fan base is anything but pathetic.

I'm not oblivious to where you and Titus are coming from but until this team starts to turn things around and at least be competitive, it's going to be hard to put people in the stands.

Barry Weiss 5 years, 2 months ago

agreed. Beaty has had enough time to do better than he has. I was disappointed he did not take any of the blame for the loss on Saturday. Typically coach's admit they did not have their team ready. If he did, then I stand corrected. He just seems lost at this point. My feeling is he has to win this Saturday and somehow get two conference wins. Anything less and its hard to blame the fans.

Titus Canby 5 years, 2 months ago

I'm with Randy and Layne. You bet I'm disappointed, but a knee-jerk reaction of "fire the coach" is not right thing to do from either an on-field or financial perspective.

Yeah, we had a bad game. But we've had 6-7 years of bad games. Beaty inherited the worst mess in the history of collage football. We're still 10 or 15 scholarships short of every other team in the NCAA. We can't afford the financial mess of firing another coach and more "dead money." Nor can we afford the reputation mess of firing another coach. Firing 4 coaches in 7 years is not the answer. No coach in his right mind would take this job if this happens.

Let's be upset about Saturday's loss. But I assume we're all KU fans, so let's support the team instead of trying to tear it apart.

Brett McCabe 5 years, 2 months ago

Check yourself. Bill Snyder inherited the worst mess in college football and had it completely turned around in 3 years.

Titus Canby 5 years, 2 months ago

Thanks Brett. How about "second-worse mess?"

Bryce Landon 5 years, 2 months ago

Les Miles is too good of a coach to want to bring his acumen to Lawrence, Kansas.

Randy Bombardier 5 years, 2 months ago

Brett, if you read what i said, I didn't blame the fans but said fan support has never been more critical. I stand by that. And again, one can lampoon the fans of other programs, saying they have nothing better to do, that they're fanatics but then i think all of us regulars on here are pretty fanatical. Maybe there's just not enough of us. The coaches and players need us. If poor on the field performance was enough to alienate fans the Chiefs fan base would have deserted them a long time ago. I came from Washington State to watch that game and there's much to do in the beautiful pacific Northwest but even Oregon State doesn't have such a fickle fan base. KU is the Cal of the heartland but not even cal has such a fickle fan base.

Jim Stauffer 5 years, 2 months ago

My thought is that David is a new HC. Some of the things he will try to implement and establish will not work. I think he is smart enough to figure that out and make changes as he goes along. This is why you give a guy a 5 year contract. You need to give him time to recover from his own mistakes. Wonder how many guys who want him fired could have been fired in the first year or two of their jobs if measured by the same stick they measure Beaty with.

Mike Nicco 5 years, 2 months ago

How about needing to call a timeout on 4th down after an lengthy delay by the officials. I also want to see Coach Beaty grow into a fine head coach. But we should not see this happen again in year 3.

Mark Bowers 5 years, 2 months ago

These two guys are the perfect example of peat and repeat! I also think that we should look at this as an opportunity to get some high school talent that can be further developed and around for 4-5 yrs.

Joe Black 5 years, 2 months ago

Change defensive coordinator and you might have a chance to turn things around. Bowen is a great guy but he has never been a good DC.

Austin Lopez 5 years, 2 months ago

Anybody have any good replacements for Clint Bowen at Defensive Coordinator? I think it's time we let him go, don't get me wrong he is a nice individual but as far as a defensive coordinator that position just isn't his calling, we need to move on to someone else.

Michael Maris 5 years, 2 months ago

Bill Young would be my suggestion. But, he's now 71 years old, and he may not want to leave the State of Oklahoma (these days).

Len Shaffer 5 years, 2 months ago

I came up with a rhyme that I think describes the current situation perfectly:

The offense is inconsistent, the defense is nonexistent, as fans we're increasingly resistant, to reporters who are optimistically insistent.

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