Monday, October 23, 2017

Beaty: Kansas must ‘be able to run the ball’ in Big 12

Kansas running back Khalil Herbert (10) is driven to the ground by TCU defensive tackle Ross Blacklock (90) and TCU safety Ridwan Issahaku (31) during the second quarter, Saturday, Oct. 21, 2017 at Amon G. Carter Stadium in Fort Worth.

Kansas running back Khalil Herbert (10) is driven to the ground by TCU defensive tackle Ross Blacklock (90) and TCU safety Ridwan Issahaku (31) during the second quarter, Saturday, Oct. 21, 2017 at Amon G. Carter Stadium in Fort Worth.


In the wake of a mortifying offensive outing at TCU, head coach David Beaty and his Kansas football staff are taxed with doing everything within their power to make the Jayhawks competitive.

While areas of concern exist across the board following back-to-back shutout blowouts on the road, a reinvigorated KU rushing attack could be as good a starting point as any.

Without starting running back Khalil Herbert at Iowa State on Oct. 14, Kansas managed just 62 rushing yards. When Herbert returned at TCU from a hamstring injury he suffered two weeks earlier, he only attempted six runs, netting eight yards.

During its nightmarish trip to Fort Worth, Texas, KU as a team was credited with 31 rushing attempts for minus-25 yards.

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Such ill-fated results didn’t seem plausible just a month ago, when Kansas — bolstered by a 36-carry, 291-yard, two-touchdown show by Herbert — gained 367 rushing yards on 50 attempts. It’s that game that boosts KU’s season average to 120.6 rushing yards a game, which still ranks last in the Big 12 and 110th among FBS teams.

Taking the rushing success versus WVU out of the equation, Kansas averaged 79.5 ground yards in other games.

“We’ve got to continue to improve up front. We’ve got to be able to run the football in this conference,” Beaty said Monday, during his weekly time slot on the Big 12 media teleconference.

As Beaty pointed out, Kansas State, which visits Memorial Stadium for the Sunflower Showdown on Saturday (2 p.m. kickoff, FOX Sports 1), is one of the better rushing teams in the conference, averaging 199.1 yards a game, second by fractions of a yard to Oklahoma’s 199.4.

“One of the best run teams that I’ve had to play year in and year out,” Beaty said of Bill Snyder’s Wildcats (3-4 overall, 1-3 Big 12). “So we’re going to have to be able to match that, be able to run the ball offensively.”

Ribordy update

In theory, both KU’s rushing and passing plays would benefit from the return of starting center Mesa Ribordy, who missed both the ISU and TCU losses due to an undisclosed injury.

While discussing the offensive woes for Kansas (1-6, 0-4), Beaty said opponents get the credit.

“Those guys are doing better than we are. And we’ve got to change that,” Beaty said. “No doubt about it.”

But the third-year KU coach soon turned to the impact Ribordy’s absence has on production, calling the 6-foot-4, 305-pound sophomore center from Louisburg “a guy that kind of keeps it all together up there.”

“But we’ve got to be able to plug in the next guy and continue moving,” Beaty added. “We don’t know when we’re going to get Mesa back. Might be this week, might be three weeks, we’ll see how it goes. It doesn’t matter. There can’t be one guy that changes things that much.”

Dark days for KU football?

Considering Kansas hasn’t scored a point in nine consecutive quarters and the two previous games have netted a combined 127 yards of total offense, things appear bleak for the Jayhawks headed into their rivalry game with K-State.

Veteran reporter and columnist Barry Tramel of The Oklahoman posed this question to Beaty on the Big 12 teleconference: “Obviously you knew this wasn’t going to be a breakout year necessarily, but did you see this type of futility coming? Did you know that struggles were ahead to this magnitude?”

Beaty replied: “We knew this wasn’t going to be easy, but we do obviously hold ourself to a high standard and we need to be improving from week to week.”

As he has in the past, the third-year KU coach went on to say his team has to play complementary football and that the program has “the right type of guys.”

“We’ve got to get the pieces in the right place, continue working as coaches to do that, and then we’ve got to get them all playing at their highest level at the same time. And that’s going to help us solve the problems that we have,” Beaty said. “The good thing is our guys are committed to doing that. And we’ve got another opportunity this week and a great, great opportunity in that rivalry game.”

Kickoff for Baylor announced

KU will return to an 11 a.m. time slot for its Nov. 4 home game versus Baylor, the Big 12 announced Monday.

The Jayhawks also got started on Saturday mornings this season in games against Ohio, West Virginia, Texas Tech and Iowa State.

Kansas-Baylor will air on FOX Sports Net.


Jeff Coffman 4 years, 9 months ago

They said when Aaron Rodgers went down with a knee injury the line switched by 11.5 points, and LAC actually covered +6, (so he was worth 17.5 points).

It sounds like Ribordy is worth about 43 points, because it sounds like he was the difference in this game.

I wonder what the line would do in the following scenarios: 1) Zenger relieved of Athletic Director Duties 2) Beaty removed as head coach 3) Bowen removed as Defensive Coordinator

[''] 4 years, 9 months ago

It's pathetic that they keep blaming this terrible year on the injuries of Ribordy. Even when he was in we played pretty pathetically. I realize O-line is critical but continuing to say they'd have been able to do better with Mesa is weak and a cop out.

Len Shaffer 4 years, 9 months ago

" ' We’ve got to continue to improve up front. We’ve got to be able to run the football in this conference,' Beaty said Monday ..."

What he neglected to say was, "We've got to be able to coach in this conference ..."

Austin Lopez 4 years, 9 months ago

Well it's difficult to focus on the run game when all the coaching staff wants to do is run this darn air raid offense and sling the ball around knowing they don't have the players for the air raid offense.

Michael Leiker 4 years, 9 months ago

Exactly, so infuriating. The WVU game could have been a 2 hour and 45 minute game but the staff showed no discipline to stick with what was working.

David Kemp 4 years, 9 months ago

What? You have to continue to improve upfront? Improve from what. Anybody getting a block would be an improvement. He’s totally out of touch and has no idea how to fix anything. Mercy would be to put him out of his misery sooner than later. This has progressed from comical to cruel.

David Kemp 4 years, 9 months ago

Every week is a great opportunity. The message seems to be falling on deaf ears.

John Fitzgerald 4 years, 9 months ago

I don’t give a damn what Beaty has to say until he apologizes to KU fans and alum for this atrocity.

David Kemp 4 years, 9 months ago

I am listening to ljw podcast and am really I sensed hearing about Justin Thornton saying how mortified he was with players clowning around on the sidelines during the 4 th quarter of the game. Players and coaches are not connected and it’s time to bring a bad azz in and change the culture now! Now!

Brett McCabe 4 years, 9 months ago

Girod failed KU today. There should have been a press conference. I sent him a respectful email, but he needs to do his job.

Adam Engelbrecht 4 years, 9 months ago

I sent an email this week too. I hope more people do.

Robert Brock 4 years, 9 months ago

It may be tough to get Girod out of his bunker during football season.

Jack Hoff 4 years, 9 months ago

Out of curiousity I went to check Bill Self's reecord during the first few years of his career. It took him 3 years at Oral Roberts to build a winning record and it was a pretty mediocre record. Now imagine with basketball and a hall of fame coach where you only need one stud to be a tounament team and it still took him 3 years to build something. It takes time people. Beaty inherited the worst situation arguably ever in college football. It wont take 3 years to build a football team that competes with the big dogs. Michigan got smacked in primetime by darn near 40 points in primetime and they have a super bowl caliber coach. Cut the coaches some slack. They have all been successfull everywhere they have been, they idn't just forget how to coach when they came to lawrence. Sometims you get worse before you get better. Firing Beaty sets us back another 5 years an he still has a decent class coming in. I can promise you the frustration we fell as fans is multipied 10 fold by what they feel as coaches and players. They simply don't have the roster and Beaty isn't gonna throw his team under the bus like Weis did. Ryan Schadler wouldn't pay for any other Big 12 team much less start. They simply dont have the horses to compete ...yet.

Matthew Gaylor 4 years, 9 months ago

So Charlie Weis needed another year and 2/3rds before KU should have fired him, correct?

Also, just for reference

Bill Self at ORU

1st season: 6-21 2nd season: 10-17 3rd season: 18-9 4th season: 21-7

See, with Bill Self, you see progress at ORU. Now lets look at Beaty

1st season: 0-12 2nd season: 2-10 3rd season: 1-6

At this rate, we can see progress from year 1 to year 2. Currently, in year 3, KU looks worse than they did last year, which means they've regressed, which is the opposite of what good coaches do. The reality is, there's no progress.

You also said "Cut the coaches some slack. They have ALL been successful everywhere they have been" Umm, where was Beaty successful? He was a WR coach for crying out loud. That doesn't prove anything. He was an OC for 1 year at Rice. That year at Rice, they finished 91st in the country in total offensive yards per play (they were 61st in the country the year before). The next year, after Beaty left, they were 44th. 2 years removed from Beaty, Rice was 70th in the nation, still better than with Beaty. Every year, except this year, they have had better offensive numbers nationally, than with Beaty as their OC.

Bowen has been mainly at KU his whole career. He spent 1 year at WKU, and 1 year at North Texas as a DC. Other than that, he's been at KU. And the two years he was gone, he wasn't great, hence why he left at those years.

So no, the coaches haven't been successful elsewhere.

Lastly, the idea that firing Beaty sets the program back 5 years is a load of crap. He has 10 total commits right now, and only 2 of them are good, both are from Louisiana, and are Tony Hull recruits. Beaty was supposed to be this great Texas recruiter, and he has 0 commits so far from Texas, recently losing his only Texas commit, who now is looking at Baylor, who has 0 wins this year.

Reality is, Beaty was never the guy that was going to make KU good. He was a cheap hire, whose job was supposed to fill the scholarship numbers, and he has. It's time for him to go.

Jack Hoff 4 years, 9 months ago

Take the Duke situation for example. That’s a iOS comparison because they are a basketball school with mediocre football tradition similar to us. Hey bored David cunliffe to be their savior. He won 3 games in his 4th year and they gave him time! He went on to make bowl games the next 4 years. Duke was in no way as big a hole as ku when Beaty got it and a winning SEC coach couldn’t hit a bowl game till his 5th year. It takes time with football. It’s not like b-ball where you can turn around a program in a few seasons. Especially programs that have never really had a rich tradition. Also most of KU’s coaching staff have been successful at recruiting and winning everywhere they have been. Our defensive line coach kicked out butts before he came here. Beaty has recruited some dang good talent for Texas AM and Meachem is a proven OC who has had success. I guess his TCU years were just a fluke. Beaty needs time.

Bryan Mohr 4 years, 9 months ago

Why are you trying to defend Beaty with dissimilar narratives? Bill Self at ORU? Not comparable, and a different sport. Duke's coach was SEC coach of the year at Ole Miss before Duke. He inherited a 1-11 team at Duke and finished 4-8 his first season... 5-7 his second season. Cutcliffe is 56-65 at Duke overall, you use him as example to keep Beaty, then say Mangino wasn't that great (50-48). You're obviously desperate to keep Beaty. Everyone has a right to his opinion. The empty stands and complete lack of progress differ with you, but every Saturday is another great opportunity for your hopes to come true.

Jack Hoff 4 years, 9 months ago

And for the love of god can we stop harping on Mark Mangino. He's not coming back and he had one really good season. Everything else was pretty average. Todd Ressing was a blessing. For a bunch a fans that harp on progress, we seem to keep clinging to the past instead of looking to the future. Enough with Mangino. Outside of 08, his career is not that special

Matthew Gaylor 4 years, 9 months ago

You're joking right? I question how much you truly know about KU football to make a statement like that. The 2nd winningest coach at KU, one of the very few with a winning record, and the only coach since 1953 to have a winning record at KU, didn't have a "special career" and was "average". Now I've read it all

Jack Hoff 4 years, 9 months ago

It doesn’t take much to be the 2nd winningest coach in KU history was my point. He was a good coach but he ain’t Bill Snyder and he ain’t coming back.

Jeff Coffman 4 years, 9 months ago

I agree he won't be back, but don't discount what Mangino his second year he took us to a bowl game. He also has 4 bowl appearances of the 12 bowl games KU has played in. and 3 of the 6 wins.

He had his flaws, but he did amazing things for KU.

Jack Hoff 4 years, 9 months ago

You are right! I don’t mean to completely diminish what Mangino did for KU. It was definitely a more exciting time. I just think nostalgia probably leads us to put him a little higher than he really was. Point is, he ain’t coming back

Matthew Gaylor 4 years, 9 months ago

I mean, he is the only coach since 1953 to have a winning record. He's not the face of the program, no, but he wasn't average. I do agree, anybody who thinks he'll come back is crazy.

Jack Brooks 4 years, 9 months ago

Good grief. Beaty doing his best John Madden impression. “If we can just score more points than the other teams, we can win some games. We’re comitted to working on that.”

As for the coaches having more time, yes and no. We’ve got plenty enough of data/evidence/results to give Bowen the boot. He clearly can’t coach. One more year for Beaty is fine as long as he fires Bowen and gets a competent DC. Beaty also has to clearly get his staff on the same page. Lastly, the most successful coaches aren’t sunshine pumping cheerleaders. They’re LEADERS, not cheerleaders. He needs to treat his players like men, hold them accountable, and stop trying to get them excited like they’re a bunch of 5-year olds.

Thomas Green 4 years, 9 months ago

I found myself looking at this site a few times during the day today. Expecting or maybe it was hoping against hope I would see the news. The news the nuclear option had been employed to rid us of these complete and total imbeciles. Alas, it was not to be.

What is taking so long? When will the inevitable finally be done? I now find myself hoping against hope the powers in charge actually realize what must be done.

David Kemp 4 years, 9 months ago

You are right. Chancellor needs to push the button. If ksu humiliated us the choice won't be a choice.

David Kemp 4 years, 9 months ago

OMG, I was almost willing to give Beatty more time, but the direction of the program is clearly not rebuilding. He says we were prepared to play tcu and we end up with 21 yards of offense and no defense and no special teams. Does this sound t like prepared? I'm sorry but it's time for a serious change.we must pay whatever it takes to get a real coach or this continues to become a death spiral. Beatty himself said by year three you measure progress in wins and losses, and clearly he will fail on that level. So time to cut our losses and move on.

Chris Bailey 4 years, 9 months ago

Chalk up a loss on November 4th, they can't sleep in!

Waylon Cook 4 years, 9 months ago

Waiting on the presser to get rid of Zenger. Still waiting.

Bruce Bertsch 4 years, 9 months ago

You have to start with the AD. Get a new one and let him decide who should stay and who should go from the current football swamp. Clint Bowen is a nice guy, Lawrence kid, bleeds Crimson and Blue, but at the end of the day, he has never coached a top 50 defense. David Beaty was here at the end of the Mangino era, but he has never had great success other than as a recruiter. Meachem was good at TCU where he had the talent to run the offense of choice. When Beaty came in and said KU would run the air raid with no regard to the talent on hand, red flags should have gone up immediately. The coaches job is to put the players in the best possible position to succeed. If you don't have the talent to run offense A you better regroup and run offense B or C. As for recruiting...take a look at Indiana, a lower middle of the pack B1G schoold who competes every week. Their roster is not filled with kids from Texas. Heck, look at any of the MAC schools that beat us. Where do they find those kids? Not every player needs to come from Texas. We are recruiting and losing to UT, aTm, Tech, Baylor, Houston, SMU and the entire SEC in Texas. Lets look there but elsewhere as well.

Austin Lopez 4 years, 9 months ago

What Kansas needs is a proven coach, somebody that is willing to take on a challenge.

John Brazelton 4 years, 9 months ago

Here's why you should never listen to either fans or small town newspaper Sports Directors. First advise from past years, recruit HS players, not JUCOs and develop an offensive line over time. The Truth: All teams in the Big 12, except Texas recruit JUCOs to make-up shortfalls in rosters. Second advise, hire an OC and the offense will be able to compete in the Big 12. The Truth: While KU has pretty good #1s in all areas this season, key injuries at the wrong times is killing progress. I watched KU's defense against TCU. They played against a short field all game. They had all the TDs covered except one rollout pass, but the DBs were either a step or two slow or they missed tackles that could have been made. The Truth: TCU has a roster of superior athletes this season and they are on a roll. It comes down to the Jimmy's and Joes. Next season, Beaty will have over 20 seniors and for the first time, a recruited 85 scholarship team. Senior-led teams are usually winners. Beaty deserves the opportunity to play his seniors and see if they can win. If he can't, then it's time to make a change.

Barry Weiss 4 years, 9 months ago

If K-State thumps us on our home field to the extent Iowa State and TCU did, its time to admit the program needs a better direction at the top. We are going the wrong way fast. A change at the top will give the media and the rest of the country, let alone our own fans, something positive to look to in the future. There should have been progress by now. There is none. There must be accountability.

David McNickle 4 years, 9 months ago

I guess my question would be who do you plan on getting as a head coach? Please don't tell me Kiffin, MIles, or B Jones(when he gets fired). What's the plan once you axe the entire coaching staff? Give me some legitimate potential coaches. And how long do you plan on giving the next staff that comes in?

Barry Weiss 4 years, 9 months ago

I would say 2 &1/2 years is sufficient time as HC to turn the program in the right direction. You will rarely have 5 star recruits, maybe a couple of 4's, so every coach will bring in 3's. Given that, as the new HC you should be able to coach up the prior coach's 3 star recruits. If you can't do that, it's on you and we start with a new coach. Trying to say each coach needs his own recruits is baloney.

David McNickle 4 years, 9 months ago

Fair enough. What coach can KU get that can turn the program around in 3 years? I would argue that a Miles or Kiffin(which is not realistic) would need a bare minimum of 3 to 4 years to turn it around. Every coach doesn't need their own recruits, but they do need some talent. At the TCU game I counted 3 kids that might start for TCU. If someone really has a plan to bring in a coach that can land 4 star and 3 star talent, take those freshmen from the get go and let them get experience, all the while suffering another 2 seasons of losing most games, but show improvement in the 3rd year, consider it. I don't know a coach that would come to KU that has that ability. Beaty was a 4 to 5 year plan from the start. Give him those years or start the cycle all over again.

Barry Weiss 4 years, 9 months ago

The key here is that we are going backwards in year 3. Good grief, 3 wins over 2 &1/2 years is just unacceptable. Not being able to beat FCS schools is unacceptable. This is on the coach. His head coaching abilities, his motivational skills, his recruiting is simply not working. He needs to go back to being a wide receiver's coach.

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