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Wichita State defeats Kansas, 78-65

  • 4:15 p.m., March 22, 2015
  • CenturyLink Center, Omaha,

Sunday, March 22, 2015

Bounced: Shockers do as they please, send Jayhawks home

Kansas Coach Bill Self walks off the court in the Jayhawks' third-round NCAA Tournament loss against Wichita State Sunday, March 22, 2015 at the CenturyLink Center, in Omaha, Neb.

Kansas Coach Bill Self walks off the court in the Jayhawks' third-round NCAA Tournament loss against Wichita State Sunday, March 22, 2015 at the CenturyLink Center, in Omaha, Neb.

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— The much-talked-about, long-awaited, highly-anticipated battle between major-college power Kansas University and mid-major extraordinaire Wichita State didn’t turn out to be much of a contest Sunday in CenturyLink Center.

“We laid an egg, I guess,” KU junior forward Jamari Traylor said after the NCAA Tournament Midwest Regional’s No. 2-seeded (27-9) Jayhawks were steamrolled by the No. 7-seed (30-4) Shockers, 78-65, in a Round of 32 game.

“They kind of had their way with us,” freshman wing Kelly Oubre, Jr. added after scoring nine points off 3-of-9 shooting on a day the Jayhawks converted just 35.1 percent of their shots to Wichita State’s 49 percent.

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Self, Ellis and Graham explain what went wrong in season-ending loss to WSU

Minutes after Kansas University's basketball season ended Sunday in Omaha, Jayhawks coach Bill Self, as well as players Perry Ellis and Devonté Graham, answer questions from the media about how Wichita State knocked them out of the NCAA Tournament.

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WICHITA STATE 78, KANSAS 65

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The Shockers trailed by as many as eight points in the first half, yet led by three at halftime, 11 with 15:47 to play and never saw their lead dip below eight points the rest of the way.

WSU shredded KU’s proud defense for 49 points off 59.3 percent shooting the final half. Only Iowa State (50) scored more in a half versus KU this season.

“It’s a sad and disappointing thing, a worse nightmare for our fans and our program. We let ourselves down,” KU sophomore Brannen Greene said. He and fellow wing Wayne Selden, Jr., didn’t score off combined 0-for-7 shooting while playing a combined 43 minutes.

“It’s a sad way to end the season, them being our state rival. Losing like that is the worst feeling,” Greene added.

Sophomore forward Landen Lucas, who had 10 rebounds and two points in 22 minutes, applauded the Shockers for outperforming the Jayhawks so decisively. All five WSU starters scored in double figures.

“I hate to say it, but I feel they might have wanted it a little bit more than we did,” Lucas said. “I think we came in this game thinking that we did (want it more) but if you look at the small things when it really mattered ... the loose balls, extra possessions, executing, listening to coach, focus, I think the veteran team (WSU) came out and took the game. I credit them for that, (but) it sucks losing that way.”

Early on it looked as if the Jayhawks might have the right stuff to overcome the Shockers and advance to Thursday’s Sweet 16 contest against Notre Dame in Cleveland.

KU led, 22-16, when Perry Ellis was elbowed in the nose by Fred VanVleet (17 points, six assists, six boards) while going in for a layup attempt. The Jayhawks upped the lead to eight points at 5:08 and led by four when Ellis returned at 3:40. However, three-pointers by Ron Baker (12 points) and Van Vleet and a bucket and foul shot by Tekele Cotton (19 points) helped the Shockers grab a 29-26 lead at halftime. WSU continued its blitz to start the second half, completing a 25-6 run that turned its eight-point first-half deficit into a 41-30 advantage just 4:20 into the final half.

“I’m not going to say that (Ellis’ leaving the game at that point) was the reason at all. He still played 34 minutes,” KU coach Bill Self said of Ellis, who hit four of nine shots and nine of 10 free throws, good for 17 points with eight boards. “He’d have had to take a rest anyway. He was only out two to four minutes. We didn’t play smart, took bad shots, rushed shots, basically gave them confidence.

“I thought Wessel’s (Evan, four threes, 12 points) three at the top of the key when we guarded well was the biggest shot of the game (cutting KU’s eight-point lead to five right after Lucas missed an inside shot). It kind of took the lid off. He was the best player in the game, to me,” Self added of the Wichita Heights graduate.

WSU always seemed to have an answer to prevent KU from, in Self’s words, feeling any “game pressure.”

“Whatever we tried, they had a counter,” Self stated.

For instance, KU trailed, 54-45, with 10:25 left. However Oubre missed a shot and KU committed a turnover after a WSU miss, leading to a Zach Brown dunk and two free throws by Van Vleet as WSU built the lead back to 13 with 8:18 left.

The Jayhawks were down, 63-55, at 5:55. Then after failing to get a five-second call on an inbounds pass, KU, after a WSU timeout was burned by Darius Carter, scored an easy bucket against the Jayhawks’ press.

Next, KU led, 65-57, at 5:20, when Carter scored, Selden turned it over and Cotton converted to up the lead to 12 again.

“We took our foot off the pedal (when up by eight). They made their run and never took their foot off the gas. That was the difference,” Oubre said.

Several Jayhawks expressed regret after the season-ending contest. Selden, for instance, was not pleased with his own 0-for-5 shooting effort, 0-1 from three. WSU hit 10 of 20 threes to KU’s six of 21.

“You’ve got to feel bad when you don’t do what you are supposed to do,” Selden said. “I wasn’t scoring the ball well. You can do other things that affect the game like play defense and rebound the ball. I didn’t do them.

“It hurts to let so many people down,” Selden added. “We work so hard. To fall like this is not what you thought the season would end up like. All the hard work we put forth. We thought we had something special here, which we did, but we could have made it a real special year. We didn’t do so. We just apologize to the fans.”

Noted Ellis, who tied freshman Devonté Graham for team high scoring honors with his 17 tallies: “It’s tough, but they played better. We had trouble running our offense because they were playing defense so well. We couldn’t get stops,” Ellis added. “They played a great defensive game and also got us out of our offense.”

Self, who even used a zone defense to try to slow the Shockers the final half to no avail, stressed that the best team won the game. The fact it was a team from Kansas that KU hasn’t played in 22 years ...

“I know that it means a lot to a lot of people,” he said. “Anybody that would ever say it meant more to them than it did us, they don’t know what they are talking about. Our guys were ready to play. They were just better. Both teams were ready to play.

“The rivalry and how it played out, it certainly adds attention and adds to a lot of talk moving forward I’m sure. It’s not going to be the most pleasant next few weeks for me personally. It doesn’t deserve to be (pleasant). Our team didn’t play very well and it all starts with me. If we’d been playing anybody else, it would have meant the same advancing to the Sweet 16. It just so happens we played an in-state team to go where we wanted to go and they obviously were much better today.”


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Comments

Reggie Flenory 7 years, 1 month ago

So embarrassing how we got smacked around but hey as a team we were soft all year long the coaches and the fans want it more than the players do and that's pathetic flat out I don't ever want to see us play like that again we really cheapen the big 12 titles that we have one when we play like wimps with the exception of Ellis, mason, and Graham everybody else heart is pumping kool-aid

Tyler Capone 7 years, 1 month ago

Didn't the players say "We gotta want it more" but now after they lose it's "They just wanted it more". Weird.

Max Ledom 7 years, 1 month ago

^wow that was all one sentence but I agree.

Here is the thing: KU just was not very good this year. We never showed we had what it took to win it all. For the first time ever as a Jayhawk fan, when one of our players said "We gotta add another banner up in the rafters" this year, I laughed. That was Christian Garrett's senior speech. Usually someone saying that always pumps me up. But this year I just rolled my eyes. Time and time again we failed in big situations. And we were never ready to make a run. I don't care what you say about Cliff, he was sorely missed. For some reason Lucas is petrified to shoot the ball with an obvious size advantage making him a non-threat on offense. In other words: our 6'8" Perry Ellis is double teamed every time he got the ball down low. And at his size, he is just a non factor with that defense.

We couldn't make shots all year either. Brannen can't defend and his hot shooting faded much like J.R. Giddens in his sophomore year, except he is much less talented.

Idk what is going on with Wayne. I just am clueless on why this happens to him. One week he averages 25, the next he averages 3?

I don't understand why we didn't try to develope Hunter or Svi more this year. We could have used both of them in the worst way. We had no one to change the pace or make a difference today and Bill was reluctant to try anyone else even though they weren't working. Also, why do we ALWAYS wait to press until we are down big with little time? Why not do it at the 12 minute mark where we obviously have lost control of the game instead of wait til the 5 minute mark?

We need an intervention. Kelly is gone. Cliff is gone. And I don't see an end in sight for our mediocrity that has come over the past 2 years. We are spoiled fans here, but we just haven't been tournament run good in 2 years, and we aren't holding on to anyone new, so I'm worried for next season.

Now let's all be good Americans and root for Kentucky to lose. Until next time: Rock Chalk.

Steve Zimmerman 7 years, 1 month ago

Why did you assume Kelly's/Cliff's a goner? They do have potentials, but recruiting them pose greater risks than benefits. They haven't shown enough what those potentials are. Unless it's their own choice.

Mike Tackett 7 years, 1 month ago

Both will be gone. Both to NBA but for different reasons. The NCAA will never let Cliff play for KU and KO because he will cash a big check. The future is not bright. Team D is terrible and as stated no hustle or toughness.

Tom Jones 7 years, 1 month ago

The future's quite bright, actually. And all of the whiners about the one and done's being the problem (which is ludicrous) will get their wish. It will be an upperclassmen-led team next year.

You know how spoiled you are as a fan when winning your league, a very tough league by every account, means you're "not very good".

I think KU stood a good chance of losing yesterday even with Cliff playing and Ellis healthy. It was an average Kansas team, that's all. Very young. They will learn from this.

Robin Smith 7 years, 1 month ago

Agreed, Tom.

Next year will be an even better team. It's a hard way to go out, but it was still a great season.

No shame in losing to a team that went to the FF two years ago and then undefeated last year, only losing to Kentucky in the tourney. They had elite, upperclassmen who controlled the game. Can't say I'm surprised. Disappointed but not too upset.

Keith Gellar 7 years, 1 month ago

"KU just was not very good this year"--- But we outright won the Big 12, the toughest conference in all of time.

surely you jest!

Russ McCaig 7 years, 1 month ago

In light of the first weekend of the tourney....you're still calling the BIG 12 the best/toughest conference???....SURELY YOU JEST!

Robin Smith 7 years, 1 month ago

Basing an assessment of the season on what happens in a single weekend of elimination basketball is a joke.

Walter Bridges 7 years, 1 month ago

Basing an assessment from data that is 3 months old is a JOKE. We did great back in December but when it counted most, the BIG 12 stunk it up.

JD Roth 7 years, 1 month ago

Oklahoma and West Virginia in Sweet Sixteen. Big XII was not a cakewalk. Wichita State is a veteran, close knit, savvy team. Hope they steamroll Notre Dame, and by steamroll, I mean steamroll, not 78-65. If 78-65 is steamroll, what was 103-54? Use the correct wording if you are going to author stories.

Walter Bridges 7 years, 1 month ago

LMAO@ the toughest conference. The BIG 12 did great BEFORE conference play but in the NCAA, they looked atrocious. We got our butts kicked by a mid-major AND a better team.

We had two 3 seeds lose to 14 seeds. The BIG 12 is far from the toughest conference.

Steve Zimmerman 7 years, 1 month ago

It's not easy to prep up a team for the tourney. Look back at '07-'08 team. They played so well together, they play great D, full press, lots of steals, lots of assists, great lobs, lots of transition buckets, ran well, played inside-outside well against zone, or any style.
if you watch them play, you can tell, they've got chemistry, they've got experience. This season, we only have 1 senior, a bunch of frosh on the court.

Give them time. At least they've tasted what it felt like to play in the big stage. The only question remains is how coach Self will be willing to adapt to the players skills (as some of you have raised this 'concern') or new offensive style now that he doesn't have a team that he always had before, a team that could deliver his strategy. He doesn't have bigs that can post and do damages inside. He tried with Ellis, Cliff or Lucas, but none seemed to work. I'm not surprise at all that we won't go any further than 1-2 round. Even if WVU beats UK. Only those teams who show aggressive style, play fast, tight pressure D will advance. That's definitely not this year's team's (coach Self's) style. But they have potential to play that way. Hopefully they'll figure out next season! It's been a good season, nonetheless. Thanks to KUCMB players & coaches for all the excitement and all the hard work you all have done! Rock Chalk!

Tyson Ailshie 7 years, 1 month ago

We need a skilled 7 footer in the worst way. Get me......Stephen Zimmerman

Walter Bridges 7 years, 1 month ago

Isn't that the goal of every coach? Isn't the reg season the period you prep your team for the NCAA?

Joe Joseph 7 years, 1 month ago

What's frustrating is that Kansas did want it as much, if not more than WSU did early. KU played with more intensity to start the game than it had just about the entire season.

And then they just lost it the last five minutes of the half.

It's like they just gave up when they realized WSU wasn't going to fold when it got down 8.

Truly one of the softest performances - and softest teams - I've witnessed in some while (first 15 minutes aside).

Allin Herring 7 years, 1 month ago

It is because this was the worst KU team in 25 years

Alex Berger 7 years, 1 month ago

You obviously haven't been watching the last 25 years of Kansas basketball very closely. We've had some really bad teams for Kansas standards. Everyone just forgets about them or forgives them for when they come back the next year, bigger and better.

Mike Riches 7 years, 1 month ago

I always hate losing the last game of the season, no matter when it is. Having said that, for some reason, I'm not as disappointed as I was last year. Maybe it's because as soon as the bracket came out, I feared there was a good chance we wouldn't make it out of the first weekend. Maybe it's because with Kentucky out there, it probably was going to end at some point anyway. Maybe it's because about a month and a half ago, I started getting more excited about next season than this one.

I'm proud of our guys winning #11. Outright. It's been a good season. Not great, but certainly not terrible. Now starts the most important part of the 15/16 season. Everyone needs to get better in the off-season. We have to become more cohesive, and consistent. Our defense needs to continue to improve. Korea should give us a huge advantage. Let's see what happens with the draft/recruiting, but I'm already feeling really good about next year!

Rock Chalk!

Tyson Ailshie 7 years, 1 month ago

You're not disappointed that Wichita State owned us? I am

Mike Riches 7 years, 1 month ago

Certainly I'm disappointed, but I'm not AS disappointed as I have been in other years. Bradley, Bucknell, Northern Iowa, VCU, even last year against Stanford. I definitely had higher hopes and expectations for the post season. I would have loved to get at least to the Sweet Sixteen, but Wichita State was ranked ahead of us in the top ten two weeks ago...that's not a typical Round of 32 loss...

Mike Riches 7 years, 1 month ago

...should have clarified, I had higher hopes and expectations for the post season in those years I mentioned...

Janet Olin 7 years, 1 month ago

I'm proud of the team for their 27 wins and conference title; no way people with any sense can say the season was 'bad'. Kudos to Perry, Frank, and Devonte for their efforts in a losing game, raspberries to the other players for theirs. I'm disappointed not because of the loss, but because of the way the players gave up a lead and then messed their collective pants, wilting like warm lettuce. I expected some fight, maybe even a little poise. Won't have a problem cheering for WSU the rest of the way, they earned it.

Jerry Collins 7 years, 1 month ago

Thanks to the Jayhawks for an entertaining season. Kept waiting for the team to 'gel' and it didn't quite happen. Once the conference started, we didn't have a real 'gimmie'. Biggest disappointment was lack of using perimeter shots. You can say they just weren't hitting them, but in the middle of the season we were ranked as one of the best from beyond the arc. But the worry was that we weren't getting enough inside points. You can almost pick the game that the coach decide to force the ball inside. At that time we reverted to the pressure of make or get yanked, just like the it has always been with Bill and back to Roy. With that in the back of your mind, it's much harder to make those 3's. I don't think we maximized our greatest strength this year, the 3 point shot. Besides Mason and Oubre and Perry to some extent, we had no one who could jump, although Lucas showed great improvement towards the end. Don't think there is any hope of changing HCBS;s coaching style, so coach you had better recruit some height AND jumping ability. Even with my disappointment with the lack of us to utilize our strengths, I wouldn't trade Bill Self for any other coach and I don't blame him or the team for losing to WSU who has more experience and slightly better talent THIS year.

Mike Barnhart 7 years, 1 month ago

I have a question for everyone: Which would you prefer, win the conference every year but usually don't get to the second weekend of the tournament OR rarely win the conference but almost alway make a deep run in the tournament?

Ethan Berger 7 years, 1 month ago

Both. 08/12 teams did both, so I would like to have both.

Ethan Berger 7 years, 1 month ago

To me, their post players won the game. They did not give our guys position. We were playing outside the paint all game and missing our shots. They played far more physical, and set better screens (albeit, seemed liked a lot of moving screens but that isn't called anymore....its an epidemic). Plus a guy who isn't that good at 3s was a sniper.

My biggest critiscm of coach is Hunter. It was obvious our post was getting nothing and our guards were getting burned. Hunter should have played a lot more. I don't understand why he hasn't been given a chance, he changes our D completely.

Hopefully Kelly and Cliff comeback, we get a true center, and Wayne learned to become consistent. We have two point guards, we just need everyone else to step up.

Mike Barnhart 7 years, 1 month ago

It became pretty clear as far back as January that the level of our greatness was tied to Cliff Alexander. At that time, he wasn't very good, didn't get much better then got suspended!

Benjamin Clay Jones 7 years, 1 month ago

Agree completely on Hunter. He brings a dimension we don't otherwise have to the game. Self's absolute refusal to play him and Svi this year, who are both heady players who don't make many mistakes out on the court, was absolutely mystifying to me and many others.

Walter Bridges 7 years, 1 month ago

Svi should have been given every minute Greene stumbled through on the court this season.

Zeik Montellioso 7 years, 1 month ago

Absolutely! Greene's inability to dribble and pass the ball was just baffling. Yeah, he can shoot (for a few games) but other than that he is a total liability on the court and other teams exploit the weakness.

Brianna Zaleski 7 years, 1 month ago

I knew we were toast when I heard Selfs pregame comments. He said that they treated this like any other RD32 game. He said the players don't care that it's WSU, they just want to get to the S16. BULLCRAP! Did WSU's players play like this was just a RD32 game? Hell no, those guys played w a chip on their shoulder the whole game. You know who put that chip there? Coach Marshall.

Self got his ass out coached this game soooo bad. He should be embarrassed to show his face. Here was a man who had publicly called your program "chicken" and u take no extra steps to make him eat crow. That's some weak s**t right there. It seems all this winning has given Self a false sense of himself. Teams aren't going to lay down for u because you're the coach of Kansas. Maybe it's time to move on, because I want a coach who coaches with fire and intensity and wills that on his team. Self used to do that. No more. Now he is just full of excuses everytime we lose.
Speaking of soft... Perry Ellis is the softest player since wet toilet paper. So much for manning up and taking some pride in wanting to beat your home town team. Or was this experience a "humbling" one? Yeah, let's see how far that attitude gets you at the next level.
I'm done investing so much time and energy into some kids and a coach who don't care as much as we do. I'll always root for the Jayhawks, but as far as being a closely tied fan, they lost one in me last night.
Later KUSports, have fun covering and commenting on mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

Keith Gellar 7 years, 1 month ago

I've said it on here before and i'll say it again, as long as Self keeps on winning the BIG 12 championship and keeping the streak alive, he has no pressure to perform really well. Now, does that mean he doesn't want to perform well- absolutely not.

But, its clear, that Kansas fans care or maybe are just satisfied by winning the Big 12 and he sees that. At the end of the day, if the fanbase gives him a pass when he underperforms in the tourney, why would he need to change?

I've already seen multiple KU fans saying- "it's ok..this was the worst KU team and we still won the big 12, made the tournament 25 straight times, etc"...as long as this is the feeling among fans, then we should keep on expecting 2nd round flameouts.

Mike Riches 7 years, 1 month ago

It seems from his comments like Self sometimes is more focused on calming his guys down before a big game, instead of firing them up. Having said that, our guys came out of the chute yesterday on fire! The first 12 minutes of the game were spectacular on both ends of the floor. The inability to play like that for 40 minutes has been a curse of this team all year.

I'm grateful we have Self. There are only two coaches who have won more championships or been to more Final Fours in the last ten years: Donovan and Calipari. No one is creating a perennial Final Four machine in this day and age, not Cal, not anyone. This time of year there are 64 disappointed teams, which leads to plenty of passionate fans calling for change, but we've got it pretty good at Kansas!

Tom Jones 7 years, 1 month ago

Don't let the door hit ya in the a$$ on the way out, Bri!

JD Roth 7 years, 1 month ago

Yep hit the road Zaleski and anybody else who's ego got bruised by Wichita State's win. Bill Self goes from being a future Hall of Farmer to worthy of being replaced by some of you fans. KU will rise again and battle for a 12th consecutive title with a deep Big Dance run next season. Here's to Wichita State, an outstanding college basketball team and obviously not a 7 seed. Here's a shout out to West Virginia and Oklahoma also. Keep it going Big XII brethren.

Alex Berger 7 years, 1 month ago

You've got some crazy tunnel vision if you think we're going to be mediocre next year. Next year will be the first time in four years that we will be bringing back 3 or more starters (and we're bringing back 10 of our top 12 players, including 4 starters). And the last team that brought back 3 starters was good enough to win the championship with Withey, McLemore, Johnson but Michigan had a miracle comeback.

Kansas will be good next year. Really good. Guarantee the players hurt from this loss more than we do. It'll show next year from the work they put in the offseason. Can't wait to finally have some continuity and see how that plays out on the court!

Layne Pierce 7 years, 1 month ago

Next year we will have adequate talent to make a run for the conference championship, but let's see it like it really is. For whatever reason our team this year could not play tough man to man defense, could not effectively pass the ball, and rarely played an entire game with heart and purpose.

This year our championship should have an asterisk because at the end of the season Iowa State and West Virginia folded and Oklahoma was too far behind.

I disagree with those who say we should just simply start shooting threes and let the chips fall where they may. Fact is, everyone in basketball knows that you cannot always make threes no matter how good you are. You have to have midrange and inside game also.

On paper we have a lot of players, but our problem is do not have the players we need. Last year it was point guard. Now that is one of the strengths of our team. This year it is shooting guard. Selden is so unbelievably inconsistent, that you wonder how he keeps his spot. Before the season I had him penciled in as a guy who could easily average 15 points a game night in night out. Except for 3 or 4 games its been night out. If that can't be fixed then he should come in off the bench. That will be his role in the pros, if he gets there, anyway, so why not begin. Brannen god bless him, is an incredible liability on defense, inconsistent with his shot, cannot rebound, and cannot pass, he should only come off the bench. Lucas is too slow and afraid to shoot. I believe Svi should and will get a long look next year because he can rebound, and play defense, he is a good passer and he can dribble. Next year our mantra has to be consistency of effort and purpose. We were annihilated by Temple and of course Kentucky, embarrassed by Iowa State in the tournament final, and not beaten by Wichita State, but beaten down.
Youth is no longer an excuse. We don't often get a bunch of soft, uncaring players, but when we do....

Robert Jones 7 years, 1 month ago

We're spoiled...

Missou = 9-23 record.

KU = 11th consecutive big 12 championship - 26th consecutive NCAA tournament appearance

Thanks, team and Coach Self! Can't wait for next fall!

Tracey Graham 7 years, 1 month ago

Except for the first 5:00 or so of the game, Wichita State played harder and much better than KU. They clearly wanted this game far more than the Jayhawks, and definitely deserved the victory. The result really wasn't that surprising -- Wichita State is probably the better team, to be honest. KU was so inconsistent this season -- you never really never what kind of effort the team would play with in any given game. This team is not talented enough to be able to sleepwalk through games, but sometimes it seemed like that is what they did. How much of the blame should be put on the players and how much should be put on Self is up for debate. I did find it ridiculous that twitter exploded after the game with comments about how horrible a coach Self is. That's ridiculous. Other major programs lose early in the NCAA Tourney as well, but people don't start screaming about how awful those coaches are when it happens.

I hope Oubre and Alexander stay at KU. Neither one is anywhere close to ready to play in the NBA. But whoever stays or goes, this team needs to get a lot tougher, especially mentally. They never fought back after Wichita State took a decent sized lead yesterday. Some of the credit has to go to Wichita State's defense, which was very good. But still, the effort just seemed to be lacking on KU's part. Except from maybe 3 or 4 guys, anyway. That was the most disappointing thing to me. I can deal with the loss. Losses happen, especially when playing against very good opponents like Wichita State. But I expect to see my team work hard and fight and hustle, even when they are losing. I didn't see enough of that yesterday.

Don Papst 7 years, 1 month ago

I agree with most of you. To me, if winning or tying for the conference every year is good enough, and winning 1 or 2 games in conference tourney is ok, and if winning 25-27 games every year is good enough, and if playing 1 or 2 games in the Dance every year is good enough, then calling it a successful season, then we are right where we need to be. In our little comfort zone. On the other hand, if we would rather be considered an elite team each and every year, we need to make some changes. Over the last third of the season we lost about as many games as we won. That means quite simply that we regressed instead of improving. Injuries and suspensions or not, that is not good. We just looked like we wore down. I do not know where the changes come from. Conditioning, scheduling, coaching, recruiting? There is a chink in the scheme somewhere. Recruiting seems crucial. Think what our season would have been had we lured Okafor and T Jones to KU. I bet we would still be playing. Since Seldon, Greene, and Kelly can not dribble, pass, or play D, I hope we can get, Brown and/or Newman, (hope for both) and they can give us immediate help. Then add a rim protector, Zimmerman or Rabb to go with Bragg to give Perry the help he needs. Well that is my wish list. Yeah probably some one and doners, but what are you going to do? We need help. Hope it is not too early to think about next year, since we are done this year. ROCK CHALK!!!!!!!!!

Bob Audley 7 years, 1 month ago

It may have been a Kansas City Star article.....A fan mentioned unsavory rumors regarding a couple to players....I wonder what is going on?

Brian Skelly 7 years, 1 month ago

  I think KU trying to convince itself that it was just another R32 game was its biggest mistake.    I agree it matters to keep an even keel,  but it was obvious our competition was NOT viewing the game in this light.     Frustrating to the end.

  That said,   by KU standards this was a thin team talent-wise.     Oubre shouldnt go pro,  but my guess is he will.    Alexander likely wont have a choice.    Both will have fun riding pine in the D-League.    Whats disconcerting is its hard to envision next year's team being more talented.     Im sure Self will get more good players.     But until someone leads this team to playing like it matters,   It's tough to envision progress.   
  Selden is by far the biggest Jayhawk at a crossroads.     For all the hype of this guy,  he strikes me as a glorified role player.     Which is fine,  if we dont expect much more than that.    He's proven he cant score consistently,   while at times he's good on defense,  he's not that way enough either.     Im vexed (although we may see why next year) as to why Mickleson and Svi didnt get more playing time this year.    It's not like the guys in front of them were tearing it up.     We'll need those guys to contribute more next year.    Hopefully Self's leash will get long enough to let them.

Bob Bailey 7 years, 1 month ago

Chance for a 'footer' are nil. Zimmerman will go to UK. There will be plenty of room for him at UK.

We have some good guys coming in, but no real bigs. Not a lot of chance without bigs to help. May not win the League. With 10 slots opening in KY we may never get a real winner.

Tom Jones 7 years, 1 month ago

Exactly. We may as well not even field a team.

Brian Wilson 7 years, 1 month ago

First, Kentucky has already signed the #3 Center in Skal Labissiere and already has three on the bench (Stein, Johnson, Towns) and has four Power Forwards(Lee, Willis, Lyles, & Wynyard. Even if four leave they are overstocked. And, my guess is that of the ones mentioed, four will not be leaving. So my guess is they may sign one or two more at most which leaves several reamining.

Well if Self will get off his *** he may sign one or two bigs. Focusing just on Power forwards and Centers, there are several players with KU on their list and all we need is two:

7'0" Thon Maker has graduated early from HS and may clear waivers,
7'0" Zimmerman,
6'9" Swanigan
6'9" Cheik Diallo
6'11" Rabb

Two undeclared prospects we should be targeting for development:
I wish we would make a quick play for 7'1" Geogios Pappagiannis from Greece. UK has him on their list and I think we should try and add him. I also think he is better than his #10 ranking at center. It is interesting that UK has interest in him as it suggest they feel they won't get all the one done bigs they want.

I also wish we would make a quick play for 7'0" Mamadou Amare from Tulsa, OK. He is the 20th best Center in the class and would would not start the first 3 years but would definitely be around for 4 years and it would be good to have him off the bench.

This also does not take into account:
SG: 6'4" Malik Newman
SF; 6'8" Brandon Ingrahm, 6'7" Jaylen Brown

Margaret Schadler 7 years, 1 month ago

Would love to see Oubre stay, he doesn't have the consistency he needs for NBA.

Miss Danny working with the bigs. Need good big.

One one n done might be ok, but more in self,s system is no good

Our young point guards tend to look at only one side of the floor. Self teams thrive when they use the whole field. Yesterday, nope. They may have varied which way they start, but never shift to enclude the other side, particularly if Greene is on that side. Might as well have 4 on the floor.

Ryan Zimmerman 7 years, 1 month ago

Desire to me seemed to be a big issue for this team the entire year. No emotion or drive or effort for most of the year and season...especially in the WSU game. Mason was fired up early and was doing all he could to drive and make plays. Lucas was great on the defensive end, but can't score to save his life. Oubre reminded me of Wiggins in last year's game they lost in the tourney. Both looked like they could care less and were just playing to get through it and move on to the NBA. With no inside presence, this team didn't stand a chance in the tourney, especially with the 3 point whoas. At least a month or so ago they could kick in and kick out and beat you outside, but Ellis isn't a "Big man" and when you can't hit outside, he's forced to take his game to the perimeter. While that's not bad entirely, it is when you don't have anyone under the basket that can score. If it's not for Mason driving, we aren't scoring much. But again, these last two years have seemed like no one cares enough (With a few exceptions).

Kevin Jenkins 7 years, 1 month ago

Great comments and hope coach is reading a few. I disagree with some though. Perry being too soft, maybe. He is just too small playing the position he is. I liked that he improved this year. And he did try every single game. He was pretty consistent in rebounds and scoring. Where was our guards when we needed them. They would have one good game and then 2-3 games where they were nowhere to be found. And Greene can't play defense. I did like Mason as a pg. Hunter should have played more. We need a Big that can give us points. I wasn't impressed with Alexander.I don't see him playing next year. I do like our team for next year. Just get somebody who can shoot. And a guard who can play defense. Somebody to coach our bigs.

John Pritchett 7 years, 1 month ago

You know, I seriously hope the whining, ungrateful "fans" on this site are a small minority.

The issue isn't so much that fans like me are satisfied with the success that has been achieved under Coach Self as it is that fans like you expect more. Do I want the Jayhawks to win the national title every year? Sure. Do I expect it? No. Do I appreciate the success that we've had? Absolutely. Would I throw out the current coaching staff in hopes of achieving more? No way.

What's with this sense of entitlement that KU fans seem to have today? I expect that from Kentucky fans, but there was a time when KU fans supported their teams no matter what.

Lance Hobson 7 years, 1 month ago

I'm not an NBA scout but I've got to think Oubre's stock has fallen. Upside or not, it's hard to ignore the bricks he's been throwing up a lot of this season, and definitely yesterday. I would like to see these young guys come back and commit to something like WSU has.

Ten Yeahs 7 years, 1 month ago

Question? If we had scheduled and played WSU earlier this year do you think that would have better prepared us for the tournament game against them yesterday?

IMO I believe it would. Maybe we still lose. Maybe the score is closer. Maybe its not.
I understand the reasoning and answers given as to why we don't play them. Still I really wish we would. There is a lot of potential pluses to playing them during the regular season.

We have lost alot of tourney games to good mid majors in the last 20 years or so. While I like the tough schedule we have played the last several years...I would like to see KU schedule even more of the tougher mid majors....Butler, Gonzaga, VCU, Davidson, WSU.

Problem is you never know who is going to be the better teams year to year....but these teams listed above have been some of the more consistently better ones the last several years.

Chase Callahan 7 years, 1 month ago

First comment of the year but can't hold it back. For those of us KU fans living in Wichita that have to put up with the horrible WSU fanbase throughout the whole season, this was the worst outcome possible. I have to lower my head in shame every time I leave the house because KU absolutely embarrassed themselves and the fans in that game. There are not even words to describe the disgust I feel for the way they played. This was not just another r32 game. The matchup was epic and should have been treated as such. I don't fault KU for losing to a very good veteran team but to play the way they did in the second half on the national stage is pathetic. The game wasn't even close. It will take a while before I can wear KU apparel with pride out in public. For me this ranks as one of the worst KU losses in my lifetime.

Michael Lorraine 7 years, 1 month ago

Buy that t-shirt with the list of national titles on it.

DaNeille Dani Davis 7 years, 1 month ago

I am so frickin disappointed in this team! Have been the past two months. And for them to keep saying, time after time after each loss, "they must've wanted it more.". I just haven't been able to figure out all year why this team hasn't "wanted it more!" They quit playing like they wanted to win two months ago. Unacceptable! No one on this team is ready for the NBA. Also disappointed in Coach for not playing Svi more throughout the season. I think he would have been a much better player than Greene. Hats off to Perry and Frank for trying. Frankly, I was quite tired of this team and not knowing which one was going to show up to play...the team who cared and wanted to win or the team who didn't care and lost or struggles to win. Glad it's over. Now get a frickin seven footer if you're gonna keep playing the hi-lo crap!!!! Poor Perry isn't tall enough but coach kept insisting on feeding him the ball so he could get mauled. Embarrassing game y'all! Wayne, Kelly, Traylor and Greene should be blaming themselves for not showing up to play. If y'all are miserable playing for Coach, you can leave!! Let's get some guys who love the name on the front of their jersey more than the name on back!

DaNeille Dani Davis 7 years, 1 month ago

I don't mind losing if we play hard and fight. These guys didn't do either.

Brian Wilson 7 years, 1 month ago

Since I was told I was smoking something and that KU was fullup for next year.....#1, I don't smoke........#2, regarding scholarships. We had two to give. Verbal commit 6'9" Bragg left one open while trying to get Jaylen Brown to pair up. Oubre leaving will give us 2. Alexander not being eligible will give us 3. Mickelson being really smart I hear has possibly graduated which means he transfers and he can be one of those Grad students with one more year of eligibility. That gives us 4 barring any other surprise defections.

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