Kansas State defeats Kansas, 51-13

  • 3 p.m., Nov. 29, 2014
  • Bill Snyder Family Stadium, Manhattan, KS

Saturday, November 29, 2014

Grim finish: K-State once again better than KU

Kansas defensive lineman Ben Goodman (93) and Keon Stowers (98) walk off the field at the end of the Jayhawks 51-13 loss to the Kansas State Wildcats Saturday in Manhattan. .

Kansas defensive lineman Ben Goodman (93) and Keon Stowers (98) walk off the field at the end of the Jayhawks 51-13 loss to the Kansas State Wildcats Saturday in Manhattan. .


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Press Conferences & Post-Game Interviews

Clint Bowen breaks down KU's season-ending loss to K-State and the future of Kansas football

Clint Bowen breaks down KU's season-ending loss to K-State and the future of Kansas football

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Press Conferences & Post-Game Interviews

KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger discusses Clint Bowen's 9 weeks as interim coach of KU football

KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger discusses Clint Bowen's 9 weeks as interim head coach of KU football.

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Box score

— With a little more than 12 minutes to play in a game that turned hopeless more than an hour earlier, Kansas University quarterback Michael Cummings slammed the ball into the turf after falling victim to yet another sack by the Kansas State defense during Saturday's 51-13 whipping by the Wildcats at Bill Snyder Family Stadium.

Cummings' demonstration was the first obvious sign of the despair and disappointment of another blowout loss setting in for KU's normally unflappable quarterback, and, although that specific play had very little to do with Saturday's outcome, which came in front of 53,439 fans — the third largest crowd in the venue's history — it was the perfect way to summarize the 2014 season for Kansas, which ended in Manhattan much the way it began heading south in Week 2, in Durham, North Carolina, after a 41-3 loss at Duke, with all kinds of wild twists and turns unfolding along the way.

“They jumped all over us,” said KU coach Clint Bowen, who finished 1-7 as the program's interim head coach. “It was 14-0 before anything even happened and we didn't need that. The bottom line, Kansas State was better than us today. You come into a game where you have to play a perfect game, you have to play as good as you can possibly play and you start off with turnovers. That's obviously not the way you need to go.”

The worst part about Saturday's loss — K-State's sixth straight victory in the series and the fourth time in the past five meetings that the Wildcats have surpassed 50 points — was not the final score or the grim statistics that added up to another purple reign but the fact that it came just two weeks after an encouraging effort against fifth-ranked TCU, which followed a victory over Iowa State. In the two weeks that followed those promising weekends, the Jayhawks (3-9 overall, 1-8 Big 12) were outscored 95-20 and outgained 1,054-300 in total offense.

It may not have been quite as bad as the collapse that followed last season's Big-12-losing-streak-ending victory over West Virginia, but, at least on Saturday, the two forgettable finishes felt eerily similar.

“It's definitely tough to finish on a game like this,” Cummings said. “Especially since we played so well just a few weeks ago. It's a tough pill to swallow to send the seniors out like this.”

Things could not have gone much worse for Kansas during the game's opening quarter. After a three-and-out on the first series of the game, KU's defense surrendered a relatively easy six-play scoring drive to KSU quarterback Jake Waters, who hurt Kansas with his arm and legs throughout the afternoon.

KU's next two drives ended with interceptions — one by safety Dante Barnett and the other on a circus catch by Morgan Burns after intended receiver Rodriguez Coleman kicked the Cummings pass high into the air with his left leg near the goal line — and K-State tacked on 10 more points to open up a 17-0 lead less than 15 minutes into the game.

The Wildcats (9-2, 7-1) outgained the Jayhawks 179-54 in the opening quarter and 289-104 in first half while running 11 more plays and averaging nearly six yards per carry. K-State entered the game averaging 3.9 yards per rush.

Even when the Jayhawks were able to get something going, they could not avoid shooting themselves in the foot. After Nick Harwell's 27-yard touchdown catch pulled the Jayhawks to within 17-6, Kansas State blocked the extra point and then returned the ensuing kickoff 65 yards to the KU 23. Four plays later the Wildcats pushed their lead to 24-6 on an 11-yard touchdown run by Charles Jones (42 yards on 9 carries) and the rout was on.

“Everything you just built up gets taken away from you,” Bowen said of the back-to-back miscues after the touchdown. “You can't even get the momentum to swing.”

After taking a 31-6 lead into halftime, the Wildcats' offense never let up in the second half, scoring touchdowns their first two possessions in the third quarter and adding a 52-yard field goal to open the fourth.

A seven-play, 59-yard drive that ended with a 13-yard pass from Jake Waters (21-of-27 passing for 294 yards and four touchdowns) to Jones got things started. Waters then hit Curry Sexton (141 yards and a TD on nine catches) with a perfect 37-yard touchdown pass midway through the quarter, despite KU senior Victor Simmons spinning around his shoulder pads as he threw.

That made it 45-13 — KU senior Trent Smiley hauled in the Jayhawks' only other touchdown on a 19-yard pass from Cummings — and the rest of the game resembled so many other recent KU-KSU match-ups, with the Wildcats and their fans laughing and celebrating and the Jayhawks standing with a distant gaze wondering what happened.

What once began with great promise and the hope that this season would be different, ended with many of the same sad narratives still in tact. KU's loss Saturday was its 33rd in a row away from home. The Jayhawks won't be able to do anything about that until Sept. 26, 2015, when they travel to Rutgers for the third game of the 2015 season. KU now has lost 17 in a row to ranked teams. And the 2014 season marked the fifth time since Mark Mangino left town that KU has failed to win more than three games.

“This obviously hasn't been what we all envisioned,” senior linebacker Ben Heeney, who finished his Kansas career with six tackles. “But I'm sad it's over. It just sucks that my legacy here is over.”

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Doug Cramer 7 years, 5 months ago

Cmon Brett - you love KU football as much as I do. Bowen has been a large part of the problem all along. Even during Mangino's final two seasons, our weakness that held the team back was Bowen's defenses.

He came back in 2012, and was assigned special teams coordinator. We had one of the worst special teams in all FBS teams that year. He was then demoted, and special teams were ran by a committee of coaches.

He became co-defensive coordinator in 2013 and defensive coordinator in 2014. We all see how soft our defense is, particularly on the line. If it wasn't for Heeney, this defense would rank 110 or worse. Currently we rank 97 when looking at point per game allowed.

There is nothing in Bowen's resume that would persuade a single Power 5 program to hire him as a defensive coordinator, let along a head coach.

Here is Bowen's resume:

  1. 2008 KU Defense Ranked 87
  2. 2009 KU Defense Ranked 85
  3. 2010 WKU Defense Ranked 99
  4. 2011 NTU Defense Ranked 88
  5. 2012 KU Special Teams " NOT GOOD "
  6. 2013 KU Defense Ranked 94
  7. 2014 KU Defense Ranked 97
  8. 2014 KU Head Coach 1-7

I know a lot of you guys have met Bowen or know him personally. He's a hell of a guy. But do you want to start winning or not ?

We all agree that going to Lawrence on Saturdays and watching a winning football team is one of the best things a KU fan or alumn can do.

Lets get the program back to a competitive standard so we can all get back to Lawrence on Saturday's and start enjoying this again.

Al Martin 7 years, 5 months ago

Frankly, I'm not convinced that Bowen has shown enough, or that it was even possible in this situation for him to show enough.

But... how many times have you made this post? Ten? Do you think we didn't read it the other nine times? Really?

Doug Cramer 7 years, 5 months ago

Al - apparently not because we still have this irrational and massive move in Lawrence to hire Bowen.

Have you been paying attention for the last 9 weeks ?

Al Martin 7 years, 5 months ago

You know, I don't even necessarily disagree with you, which you might notice if you climbed down from your soapbox. But saying that someone who disagrees with you doesn't want to win is just obnoxious. Asking if I've been paying attention is just obnoxious. Mindlessly repeating yourself and expecting the 'nth' repetition to have a different result is just obnoxious. If you presented your points without being an overbearing ass, you might actually make some headway.

Doug Cramer 7 years, 5 months ago

OK Al I was just making sure. Thanks for the compliments.

Doug Cramer 7 years, 5 months ago

Adam are you saying I don't understand statistics ?

How have I not defended it ?

Feel free to bring something to the table and we can see how well you defend it.

Doug Cramer 7 years, 5 months ago

You're correct, that stat does encompass a lot, which is why its a fantastic measure of performance.

It's a bottom line stat that measures how well a defense performs...because when it's all said and done, a football game's outcome is measured by it's score...period.

All these other items are fantastic excuses to just ignore one of the most important performance measures a defensive coordinator has on his resume.

I do know for a fact, that when a defensive coordinator is looked at for promotion, or being considered for another job, this statistic is looked at.

It's about performance, and it's about wins and loses.

You have to EARN a promotion in a capitalistic society. It's about showing the selecting official that you are the most qualified individual to produce economic value for this program. In the case of a college football program, the economic value comes from winning.

Gary Bedore 7 years, 5 months ago

You can say what you want about Clint Bowen. No coach in the country could have done a better job than he did the last eight weeks. Famous Charlie Weis wasn't exactly Knute Rockne as it turned out. They should have beaten Okie State and TCU. You can say it's Bowen's fault they didn't win those games. Say whatever you want. I stand by my statement nobody else could have done a "better" job finishing out the season than Bowen. You know how down this program is right now? And I disagree he's one of the reasons it's down. Give me a break. You have the right to your opinion; I have the right to mine. Cheers.

Doug Cramer 7 years, 5 months ago

Really Gary - because your colleagues on this web site were as high as a kite on this team prior to the season beginning. As a matter of fact, one of your colleagues was predicting a 6-6 season...a win over Duke...and a trip to a bowl game.

So which is it ? A terrible team that apparently "no coach in the country could have done a better job that Bowen"....or a team loaded with talent set for a bowl season...led by a great coach in Charlie Weis ? All you have to do is go back and read the kool-aid back in July and August to know what I'm talking about.

You are correct, we have differing opinions, but you have to earn a head coaching position by good performance. Go back and take an objective look at Bowen's performance since 2008, and tell me where he has earned the right to a power 5 head coaching contract.

Gary Bedore 7 years, 5 months ago

I'm saying Bowen has the resume. He's worked under a lotta coaches and knows how to run a program. He's not going to get the job IMO, but I'm saying he deserves to be a candidate and if hired would IMO do a fine job. You seem to think it's wrong to even consider him. Bowen has a fine resume and players love him and respect him. I stand by my comment nobody could have done a better job. Wish he'd have beaten OSU and TCU. That could have happened.

Gary Bedore 7 years, 5 months ago

It seems very unlikely Clint will be the next head coach, at least that's the way I see it.

Whatever the case, I hope the fan base is extremely patient with whomever gets the job because after losing the usual 15-20 players to transfer/dismissal (upon a new coach taking over) and the possibility of a so-so to lousy recruiting class, things could be even bleaker next season and perhaps the following season. Nobody can deny the new coach will be starting with the program close to rock bottom. Will the fan base let the new coach fail for a while? Will they support the AD if the coach gets off to a horrid start? Will the long-awaited stadium renovations begin? Should be interesting as always.

By the way it's not an irrational movement to give Clint the job. There are legitimate reasons he would be a good choice whether you believe that or not. Don't worry, though. Odds are very slim IMO he's going to be promoted. I've been wrong before obviously but I would doubt he'll be the next head coach.

Michael Lorraine 7 years, 5 months ago

Clint could get this job by default. Seriously, how many potential coaches are willing to take such a risk. This is the worst program in a power 5 conference this decade. If they fail here they're looking at Missouri State or Liberty for their next paycheck.

Robert Brock 7 years, 5 months ago

KU is not going to be in a P5 conference if it cannot put serious resources into football starting with a good coaching hire. Get serious about the future of KU football or get ready to go to a conference such as Conference USA. Soon.

Bryce Landon 7 years, 5 months ago

Any Kansas fan who still wants Bowen as the permanent head coach has cole slaw for brains; and if Dr. Zenger makes him the permanent HC, he should have his doctorate ripped.


Ethan Berger 7 years, 5 months ago

Yes because in never ever land, a coach can take a historically bad team and make them winners in 8 weeks. I have no issue with one not wanting Bowen, to insult the people that do is well immature. If you expected KU to suddenly win and stop getting blown out with a mid season change, you're fooling yourself. My brain works, I've grown around football. I've one of the few on these boards who watch other teams. I've actually coached before also (not football). Did I see a difference when Bowen took over? Yes. Did we still get dominated? Yes. We improves a lot. Go rewatch every game and you will see some huge improvements. In fact it's the first time since 08 that we won't finish last. That's growth.

Charlie Gaughn 7 years, 5 months ago

This game always reminds me why we need a coach that a) cares about Kansas Football, b) won't be looking for the next best job once he has some success, and c) will work on an incentive based compensation system rather than these STUPID guaranteed contracts we've had with Weis and Gill. Couple these three items with someone that brings continuity to the program and what do you have? Bowen is the only logical choice at this time.

Forget the outcome of the games since Bowen took over. This season is on Weis. Bowen merely salvaged a little glimmer of hope where there would have been none with Weis. Cummings would be a decent if not good Big 12 QB had Weis not pigeon holed him in favor of his guys. His throws are on target most of the time, his decision making reflects that of a freshman not a redshirt junior. He will only improve.

Give the guy a shot at a five year, incentive based contract, and let him show us what he can do. I think we'll be surprised especially given that Snyder can't coach forever.

Gerry Butler 7 years, 5 months ago

thank you Al all MR CRAMER seems to be able to do is post the same thing over and over and over and over and over we get it ok, you have one article, one piece of tidy little info you feel necessary to put under every single KU story enough already like Al saidwe seen it the NINE OR TEN OR TWETNY times you have used that thanks for your input and have a nice day. if your under the miserable impression KU is gonna get some magical savior to come in here that's gives 2 cents about KU your leading a very confused life. maybe you ought to apply for the job we already have our next coach right here in front of us we don't need to make that 4th mistake and hire another gill or weis and just hand them retirement money we need someone who cares about the university, do you know if clint can recruit or not? NO you don't, can you say we can get that quote un quote big name OC or assistant coach come in here and have the players wanna play for their coach and have the love for their coach like these players do for clint? NO you don't have you heard what other coaches are sayin about clint? what the players are sayin about clint? the endorsements are bein given for clint ? is there a coach out there that would be willing to undertake this huge task and put as much into it as clint? uh NO. think you need to go do some more research and find something new, this same ol crap you been throwing out the last 2 months is old, real old if you can't see the improvement that's taken place then your blind victory's? no but their are things that have improved we have a quality QB we just need a O LINE to protect him there is not a QB that is gonna look good if they spend 3 quarters of the game running for their lives, we have quality running backs, but they can't gain anything if the O LINE is not opening any kind of a hole, bottom line we have to get better ALOT better on the O LINE everyone wants to win. that's a ridiculous question 8 games and your already putting clint in front of the firing squad? come on man get real give the off season for HIM to recruit his players, work with the team don't judge this guy on 8 weeks like another post said weis had the easy part of the schedule, definitely need clint and I bête you he is willing to take a lot less salary then these last 2 bo-zo's we hired a coaches where all we did is line their pockets GO HAWKS

Charlie Gaughn 7 years, 5 months ago

One last thought, keep in mind that Zenger has already botched one coaching hire. Yes, he's brought in an outside consultant as a CYA move but he's still ultimately responsible. I know there were a number of fans that liked the Weis hire simply because he was with the Chief's one year when they made the playoffs. He sported his super bowl rings and tried to dazzle with his NFL jargon. He decimated the program with his "transfer experiment" as many posters here warned against.

Now we have an opportunity to retain a guy that we know a lot about. He's coached through the best and worst of KU football times. All along he's stayed committed. Even if Clint Bowen never exceeds what Fambrough did, wouldn't that be better than where we potentially go with another wrong hire?

Ethan Berger 7 years, 5 months ago

I find it funny three weeks ago Bowen was the guy. He spoiled us by being competitive too quickly. I still like him but understand why people don't. I've seen a lot of names tossed around but one I haven't seen is a guy named Doc Holiday. He might get a bigger job offer (Florida) but he looks like a good piece. Recruiting cord under urban Meyer, worked under rich rod. Made Marshall a pretty good team with a good offense. Another name to chew on.

Bob Bailey 7 years, 5 months ago

Why doesn't everyone get it that Bowen can't coach?

It goes back to a team mate who said the only Defensive Training Bowen got was from the world's worst DC, and he hasn't learned anything since. (meta tarsis or some such name).

Many of us have repeated ourselves. S0 why didn't you get it the first two or three times?

Doug Cramer 7 years, 5 months ago

Yeah Bob - I'm with you. Don't get it man...just don't get it.

Gary Bedore 7 years, 5 months ago

He did a helluva job taking over for Weis. Can't coach? Are you serious? Clint Bowen can coach and did coach the last eight weeks. Did a fine job.

Jason Musick 7 years, 5 months ago

FYI - UAB just said they are going to drop there D-1 Football Program. I believe there are few guys that could turn the Jayhawks a round in the right location.

Clint Bowen needs to get on the Airplane and recruit the best players on the team.

Jordon Howard - RB Set school rushing records this Cody Clements - QB Ranks in Top in the 15 of the Country in Pass Completion Hunter Mullins Punter - Candidate for Ray Guy Award

They also have a solid Defensive Linemen.

Randy Bombardier 7 years, 5 months ago

Nice article on KC Star:

They get it. Bowen with hot staff and stability will get this done. If you dont get that you are either not a KU fan, young and immature, or just plain wistful in your thinking. Folks we have to remember those anecdotes: tortoise and the hare, slow and steady wins the race, etc. If we do what every other school is doing we'll get nowhere. We must do the little things right, build for the future and be patient. I think if we hire Bowen we should also not wait on facility upgrades. Use his popularity to get people to donate on a broad based campaign. IMO

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