Texas Tech defeats Kansas, 54-16

  • 11 a.m., Oct. 5, 2013
  • David Booth Kansas Memorial Stadium, Lawrence, KS

Saturday, October 5, 2013

Seeing red: Charlie Weis ‘not content with anything’ after KU’s 54-16 loss to Texas Tech

Kansas safety Alex Matlock watches as Texas Tech receiver Dylan Cantrell tips a pass to himself for the Red Raiders' final touchdown against the Jayhawks during the fourth quarter on Saturday, Oct. 5, 2013 at Memorial Stadium.

Kansas safety Alex Matlock watches as Texas Tech receiver Dylan Cantrell tips a pass to himself for the Red Raiders' final touchdown against the Jayhawks during the fourth quarter on Saturday, Oct. 5, 2013 at Memorial Stadium.


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Press Conferences & Post-Game Interviews

Charlie Weis talks after loss to Texas Tech

Kansas football coach Charlie Weis talks after his team's 54-16 loss to Texas Tech on Oct. 5, 2013.

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Make it 1,064 days. And counting.

That's where KU's drought between Big 12 Conference victories now stands after a 54-16 drubbing by No. 20 Texas Tech at Memorial Stadium on Saturday. Instead of celebrating the end of a dreadful streak and ushering in a new era with 25,648 fans on a beautiful fall day, the Jayhawks were forced to try to explain what went wrong in a game in which the home team raced out to a 10-0 lead and then fell flat.

“I can't justify being content with anything about that game,” KU coach Charlie Weis said after the Jayhawks fell to 2-2 overall and 0-1 in Big 12 play. “The first quarter is almost irrelevant.

“So basically what you're saying, is in a couple of minutes over a half you just got outscored 47-0. Who you gonna beat doing that? You're not gonna beat anybody.”

For the first 15 minutes of this one the Jayhawks could do no wrong. The offense looked sharp and crisply moved the ball up and down the field. The defense completely controlled Texas Tech's passing game and got stops like they were part of some sort of buy-one-get-one-free promotion.

“That first quarter, that first 10 minutes, that's what we can be,” said junior tight end Jimmay Mundine, whose 25-yard touchdown reception from Jake Heaps put Kansas up 10-0 with 7:18 to play in the first quarter.

From that point on the wheels fell off — four at a time and the spare, too — and all of the things KU had done right in the first quarter went woefully wrong the rest of the way.

It started with a curious miscue on a Trevor Pardula punt on fourth-and-13 from the KU 16, less than two minutes after Texas Tech had tied the game. Weis said a fake punt was not called but that the option always exists if Pardula sees the right look. With a standard rush coming his way, Pardula tucked the ball and attempted to run for a first down. He was stopped for no gain. Texas Tech scored two plays later. And the Jayhawks never recovered.

“That was tough,” said Heaps, who finished 16-of-32 passing for 189 yards after starting the game 8-of-9 for 113 yards. “There were definitely a bunch of plays that had a big impact on the game and we wish we could have those back.”

As the game went on, those types of plays — penalties, turnovers, drops, bad snaps — began to occur more often, which virtually doubled the wounds the Red Raiders (5-0, 2-0) opened with an offensive attack that gained 518 yards on a whopping 100 plays.

At one point, from the 6:25 mark in the first quarter to the 10:23 mark in the third, KU's offense gained just 26 yards on eight drives, a streak of futility that spanned 26 plays. By game's end, six of KU's 17 offensive drives actually went backwards.

One of the day's biggest cheers — other than the sarcastic Bronx cheer that came after KU's offense finally began running the ball (which resulted in an anemic 53 yards on 37 attempts) in the second half — came early in the fourth quarter when a KU yell leader caught a Texas Tech field goal in his bullhorn.

Even when the Jayhawks finally did score again — nearly 45 game-clock minutes after taking a 10-0 lead — a missed extra point knocked some of the luster off of the 28-yard touchdown pass from Michael Cummings to Andrew Turzilli. Remember them?

“As an offense, this one really hurts,” Heaps said. “We were really playing good football, offense and defense, and when you don't hold up your end of the bargain and your defense is playing their tails off, it's very frustrating.”

Texas Tech quarterback and true freshman Baker Mayfield, who looked flustered early, wound up looking like a savvy senior. By the time he checked out of the game at the end of the third quarter with a right knee injury, Mayfield's line read like it had during his four previous starts, all victories: 33-of-51 passing for 368 yards and a rushing touchdown. Oh, and in case you're wondering about Davis Webb, the guy who replaced Mayfield in the Texas Tech lineup, all he did was throw touchdowns on two of his three completions.

“When your defense is getting worn out because they're on the field the whole time, eventually something bad is gonna happen,” said Weis, who revealed that KU's plan was to try to prevent a “horse race.”

It's hard to say exactly what happened that caused the game to flip so quickly from KU looking like a Big 12-caliber competitor to the same old punching bag we've seen around here for the past few years. The botched fake punt certainly took some of the air out of the stadium, but that was just one misstep on a field filled with dancers who appeared to have two left feet.

“I think we had too many negative plays in the game,” Weis said. “And I think it'll be glaring when we go back and review it. I don't think it was just one play in the game. There were so many plays in this game.”

The worst part of all of this just might be the fact that KU already has had both of its bye weeks and will return to work Sunday staring at eight more weeks of Big 12 opponents on the schedule.

“What we have to do is simple,” Heaps said. “We have to execute. We have to compete all four quarters. And we have to do some soul-searching right now and see how guys come back tomorrow. That's what I'm looking for. To see how guys come back from this.”

Half an hour after KU's latest embarrassing loss, a note was tucked under the windshield wipers on KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger's car outside of Memorial Stadium. It was from a friend. And its message was also simple: Think big picture. Keep your head up.

At this point, that's all the Jayhawks can do.


jayhawkintexas 8 years, 10 months ago

At least we don"t have to worry about NCAA violations. Ain't nobody gonna pay players for that crap!!!

texashawk10 8 years, 10 months ago

Couldn't hurt to try and buy some good players. I don't think NCAA officials come around the KU football complex too often so they actually might be able to get away with it for awhile, at least until KU wins a Big 12 game. That could raise suspicions

kay_you 8 years, 10 months ago

If you're not cheating you're not trying.

kufaninmo 8 years, 10 months ago

If you can't beat em, cheat em. least that's what my old man always used to tell me. then again, he ran away with a dude on his 60th birthday, but that's besides the point.

Martin Hanna 8 years, 10 months ago

Charlie Weis? I thought I was still watching Turner Gill coach today. Fourth and 13 with the ball on your own 16 yard line and the place kicker has the option to go for it? That the dumbest thing I have ever heard! No matter how you slice it, that is bad coaching.

TenaciousD 8 years, 10 months ago

Gill is a heck of a lot better coach than Weis will ever be. Too bad Zinger wasnt smart enough to figure that out. What we saw today was the first couple drives were scripted and once that was done, so we're the Jayhawks. Weis couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. He was totally out coached today.

Zinger needs a little different note left on his car letting him know the mistake he made when he replaced Gill with Weis. Just sad and pathetic to be stuck with Weis.

Todd 8 years, 10 months ago

You've got to be kidding. Turner Gill absolutely ruined this program in as short of time as anyone possibly could. Weis may be overrated as a coach, but talent wise and program stability wise, we're at least back to the Terry Allen days. No, that's not where you or I want to be and it's a sad state, but Gill was a worthless excuse for a coach and manager of kids. He didn't make them do anything that would get them better, had to coerce them to practice and lift and let them run wild en route to 50 F's in school. Argue if some may about the legitimacy of the term "student athlete", you cannot let something like that come to pass.

Bee Bee 8 years, 10 months ago

KU would be better off with Vince Gill.

Topher Peters 8 years, 10 months ago

Turner Gill? Really? That's about as stupid as all the comments I've seen on here about the Jayhawks winning conference games or becoming bowl eligible this year.

tophawk87 8 years, 10 months ago

I agree Turner Gill was not given enough time here and is a better coach than Weis. Two years ago we lost to Tech 45-34, we are worse now.

90sHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

And last year we took them to overtime in Lubbock. Our coach was Charlie Weis, so your point isn't valid. Frankly it's disturbing if you think Gill was a better coach.

kay_you 8 years, 10 months ago

That was indeed a very Turner Gill like uninspired performance. I'm going to chalk it up to a bad day. Everyone has one.

Chris Bailey 8 years, 10 months ago

You must be one out of 3 people in Jayhawk nation that thinks Gill was a good coach. If Weis couldn't coach his way out a paper bag Gill couldn't even get in the bag in the first place. What an utterly stupid statement!

kualum95 8 years, 10 months ago

I agree Zinger should have given Gill his 5 years. At least he had a track recond with Buffalo of turning teams around. Weis has only torn them down like Notre Dame.

loyalforever 8 years, 10 months ago

Gill was awful!!! No way we would want him back.

Chayse Patrick 8 years, 10 months ago

FIRE WEIS NOWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!! We had a whole 26000 fans at a HC game. What will the attendance be from now on? And to think they're on TV next week too. UGH

Andy Tweedy 8 years, 10 months ago

I'm not smart enough to know all the reasons (although I think I know a lot of them), but I was at the game and we STINK! I "think" the defense is better than last year, but who would know when the offense is so bad and leaves them on the field the whole game. And while the special teams seem to be a popular vote as being improved, Bourbon was terrible on a couple of kick returns, we missed an extra point and our punter thought he was Tony Pierson. We just stink! I love my Jayhawks and I made a 6 hour round trip to watch them play, but I just don't know why so many people think we're better than last year. We were pretty awful...again!

tdscpa 8 years, 10 months ago

MO Valley. Cheaper travel, avoid full contact basketball.

Brad Farha 8 years, 10 months ago

Really? That kind of comment gives KU fans a bad name.

KGphoto 8 years, 10 months ago

Our offensive line is the worst I’ve ever seen. At one point I started thinking it was all a bad dream because nobody could be that hilariously bad. They put together a football follies reel today, in one game, that would take NFL Films a lifetime to produce.

I don’t know what Grunny is doing but it’s not working. And can we hold open tryouts for the starting center? Dylan got totally crushed on every play he didn’t snap it over someone’s head.

This is a nightmare. I can’t handle many more of these. That was not the kind of steady improvement or competitiveness we needed to see. That was a clear step backwards.

DanR 8 years, 10 months ago

Oops, comment I replied to was deleted... Sorry!

Robert Brown 8 years, 10 months ago

I'm glad to hear Weis is not content. There is no excuse for getting blown out at home to a mid level team starting a true freshman QB. These teams were even last year in Lubbock and Tech lost its senior QB and head coach. It is amazing how much divergence there has been between these two teams in less than a season. I think it can all be explained by coaching.

Dirk Medema 8 years, 10 months ago

The polls would disagree with you regarding who is a mid-level team. TT is ranked 20. While that might not be elite, it is far from mid-level.

Coaching made some difference, and TT is probably a good case of addition by subtraction (It's not just for players.). It is also worth noting that TT has had better recruiting classes each year until last. Even last year is easily flipped after we lose some of our best recruits, and have other sitting out til next year.

AZJHAWK94 8 years, 10 months ago

I understand giving your kicker the green light to pick up a first down if they see a "certain look", but I blame that one on the coaches (head in particular) if you don't tell Pardula as he's going out there, "hey, 4th and 13 from our 16, I don't care what they show you, we've got a tie ball game, lets play field position and help our defense out, kick it!" That's a kids mistake, but that's on the COACH! Tip of the cap to Weis in his post game though for saying they are evaluating everything this week including the coaches. Isn't it strange, you just never know what play is going to turn the game? There were so many mistakes, but that one play really was the beginning of the end. It gave our defense a short field and ultimately changed the worst case scenario of a 10-10 tie at half in to a 20-10 TT lead. We aren't the most talented team in the XII, but why aren't we the most fundamentally sound? False starts!?!? Are you kidding me! We can't do that!!! And I admit, I questioned the 5 wide, no tail back to start the game, but it was WORKING!!! Jake looked like he could play pitch and catch all day. Then we bring in Cummings (who I LOVE by the way) but WHY?!?! It was working! All the sudden its 3 and out, 3 and out. A defense can't survive that way! Its time for this offense to admit what it is and scrap for every yard it can get and be happy with a 5 yard gain. Turn overs are the number factor in win vs loss, no reason why with a former NFL coach our team lacks fundamentals. This game was so frustrating, not because of the score, but because if you use the "eye test" TT was not a vastly superior team to KU, but they executed! This team has to accept its identity which is a solid defense/special teams, with an offense that lacks the O line and talent for the big play. First downs are as important as points in a game like this. You can't give XII teams that many touches with the ball and your defense such a short field and expect to come out on top. I'm not giving up, but I'm very frustrated. I for one LOVE college football and as much as I love KU basketball, I would like to see good football. Weis said he needed the fans to do their part and he and the team would do there's. So far, I think the fans have lived up to their part. I see a large number of fans in the stands considering the poor show they are getting. I hear the roar on 3rd down. We are showing up, we've done our part, Its time for this team to get some fire and live up to its end. It doesn't take NFL talent to know the snap count and keep two hands on the ball. That's fundamentals, we deserve at least that!

P.S. Prayers for Pearson and a speedy recovery!!!!

90sHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

You're exactly right in that we should be the most fundamentally sound team, because we have to in order to make up for everything we don't have. It's sickening to see all the stupid penalties. And just when the offense clicks a little, Weis has to outsmart himself and change what's working..... I've been critical of the fan support at times, but I can't fault those who no longer feel like spending their money and day to watch garbage like that. Until the players (here's looking at you Offense) start to produce testosterone instead of estrogen, Weis shouldn't be making anymore comments about fan support until AFTER the product on the field leads to a few wins.

actorman 8 years, 10 months ago

So you're saying that SIX false-start penalties--at home, no less--are a problem or something?

Randy Bombardier 8 years, 10 months ago

Weis is toast. He fails to take responsibility. He is acting like KU football is a toy to play with. He is not a program builder.

Marc Frey 8 years, 10 months ago

We went from 3rd and 1 to 3rd and 11 after two penalties. That put our D back on the field a lot quicker that it should.

texashawk10 8 years, 10 months ago

That was the drive KU scored a TD on and Pierson converted that 3rd and 12. Bad example specifically in this case, but yes dumb penalties kill drives quicker than just about anything else.

Robert Brown 8 years, 10 months ago

What? The stadium was only half full for conference opener and homecoming? It sounds like the fans have given up? When was the last time attendance to a football game was that low?

Brad Avery 8 years, 10 months ago

"Think big picture. Keep your head up." What in the heck does that mean? The big picture is that this will be the fourth consecutive season of miserable football played by a poorly coached team. How do you keep your head up when you are the one responsible for half of that "big picture?" And why would you want to think about it?

Gary Wirsig 8 years, 10 months ago

You completely missed the point. Shouldn't be reading other people's mail...

Marvin Blackburn 8 years, 10 months ago

And I still say the ship is sinking, and today it just took in a lot of water. Not only do we have Heaps for the rest of this season (and the putrid WRs) but next year as well. I don't care who the coaches or recruiters are, how in the world is anyone good going to want to come play football in Lawrence? This program, from a national perspective, has become even worse than a laughable joke. I don't know that 1kujayhawks suggestion (see above) is the right thing to do, but I fear it may be what happens.

Dirk Medema 8 years, 10 months ago

We have several fairly highly rated recruits already. Not nearly enough, and there should be another 10+ JUCO's in this class, but some decent recruits still have a better opinion of our program than our fans do.

pizzashuttle 8 years, 10 months ago

Are Weis and Zenger in over their heads? Maybe we replace the AD and HC. Bring in an AD that knows how to hire a HC for football, preferably an assistant AD from the SEC.

eastcoasthawk 8 years, 10 months ago

No and no. Weis may be in over but Zenger is not.

Chris Bailey 8 years, 10 months ago

Are you NUTS???????? Look at what Zenger has done in his short time in Lawrence. My Gawd we're starting to lay plans out to upgrade the stadium. No he is doing a fine job. The rest of the athletic dept is on the rise. Zenger isn't the problem. If Weis doesn't pan out well then he made a mistake but come on you go with your gut bringing in someone who'll make a splash and Weis' name did just that!

Maracas 8 years, 10 months ago

So who is going to want to kick in big bucks to upgrade the stadium? And for what reason? So it's a bit more special to watch the KU football get rolled time and time again? Football has always been an afterthought at KU. The administration has never cared.

Chris Bailey 8 years, 10 months ago

It's gonna happen and it has got to happen. If the last round of musical chairs in the conference taught us anything it's that football was the driving force and without football we'll be the ones standing without a seat at the table next go round. Zenger knows this and he's gonna do everything he can to make the stadium remodel happen. We don't have a choice if wanna be in the big 12 at the end of the current contract. The school's TV deal is huge and could be much bigger if we brought KU football into relevance going forward. There is a large enough fan base to support a quality football program without losing a step in basketball. I think it's safe to say a majority of college basketball fans are fans of more than just one sport Football is the biggest thing and the biggest money maker in college athletics. If's also very expensive. We must invest in this much needed upgrade to the stadium going forward for both fan support and for an edge in recruiting. Our other football facilities are on par with the big12 but the stadium is far behind. You can't compete with the big boys if you can't field a decent team. Kansas has a great brand and is WELL KNOWN nationally. We can and will fix the stadium issue and we will become relevant in football. We will or we'll end up in a conference like the Big East and MOST fans DO NOT want that! My two cents! Rock Chalk!

texashawk10 8 years, 10 months ago

The only real way KU will ever get to the point of being consistently competitive in the Big 12 is if Phil Anschutz decides to become very heavily involved in KU football the same way Pickens is at Okie St. OSU's turnaround into an upper tier Big 12 team started when Pickens decided to start throwing money at the OSU program to upgrade everything and Phil Anschutz is the only KU alum I'm aware of with that kind of money to make a true difference in a football program like KU over the long term.

kay_you 8 years, 10 months ago

Or David Booth. Josh Swade, we have a new assignment for you.

texashawk10 8 years, 10 months ago

David Booth has done a lot for KU, but he is not a billionaire like Anschutz and cannot donate the tens of millions of dollars necessary to do for KU what Pickens has done for OSU.

90sHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Booth has been instrumental for KU, and fans owe him a debt of gratitude for all he's done. But Anschutz is in a completely different financial sphere than Booth, as you mention. I believe he's worth much, much more than even Pickens.

kay_you 8 years, 10 months ago

Quite a bit more I beleive but both have been generous. Unfortunately the beneficiaries have mostly been other schools. Booth gave a boat load of money to the University of Chicago and I think Anschutz gave a ton to the University of Colorado.

Adam McEwen 8 years, 10 months ago

uh...David Booth has a net worth of 5 billion dollars....

Chris Bailey 8 years, 10 months ago

Anschutz net worth is estimated at 10 billion. He is listed by Forbes as the 38th richest person in the US. So yeah he's loaded! Pickens net worth is estimated at 1.4 billion so yes Anschutz could buy and sell Pickens 7 times and still have more money than most of use will ever see!

shelleysue 8 years, 10 months ago

Did you read the story in SI about OSU football? No thank you.

Chayse Patrick 8 years, 10 months ago

what good is $$$$ gonna do? You aren't allowed to buy least your not supposed to. We can't keep blowing millions on coaches every 2-3 years.

texashawk10 8 years, 10 months ago

Have you not seen what $ can do for perennial bottom feeders? Oregon didn't start becoming a factor in the PAC 10/12 until Phil Knight started investing in everything involving Oregon athletics. Oklahoma St. didn't start becoming relevant in the Big 12 until Pickens started throwing his money into all aspects of OSU athletics. KU football will never rise above bottom feeder status until someone starts throwing millions (200+) into the athletic program to upgrade all aspects of KU football, not just the coaching staff.

JakeBarnes 8 years, 10 months ago

Shock Jock, PU. GASP, EGAD. What now? Do we lose all the rest?

troutsee 8 years, 10 months ago

So, yet one more time, I come home from a KU football game pissed and embarrassed. I said after our pitiful play against a horrible La Tech team, that we would not win another game this season. Now I am going to alter that prediction a bit. We will not even be within 14 points of an opponent the rest of the season. The whole team seems to lack unity and toughness and the O line is horrible. They were getting to Heaps with a four man rush all day. He had no time. This team would be hard pressed to have a winning record in the MAC. Some where out there, there has to be a coach that can mold a respectable team with 2 star and 3 star athletes. I am sick of shoddy, rag-tag play.

Andy Tweedy 8 years, 10 months ago

There are coaches in Ames and Manhattan who do exactly's pretty frustrating!

Erin Carter 8 years, 10 months ago

And we also had one in Lawrence a few years back. You know, bigger guy, worked under the Manhattan coach a few years, struggled first few years here, but got a couple of key victories....Fed Ex Orange Bowl....Insight Bowl...then properly thanked him by getting rid of him....just sayin.....

90sHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Well, that is Lew's fault he is gone. And Lew is not here anymore, so why the continued whining about it? Zenger had nothing to do with it.

Chayse Patrick 8 years, 10 months ago

Yep that's true, fired him because he demanded dicispline and a couple candy ass football players didn't want to leave there mommies.

Bee Bee 8 years, 10 months ago

He yelled at players, that's not nice. We have nice coaches now, that is all that matters apparently. What a joke.

Mick McGuire 8 years, 10 months ago

pissed and embarrassed, my thoughts exactly!

Currahee 8 years, 10 months ago

Were you guys really expecting anything out of our team this year? Especially against ranked teams? This is another full rebuild year with new people who are out of sync. Give it one more year. KU will be lucky to get 3 wins in this year.

90sHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Even if you were someone who wasn't expecting anything out of the season as a whole, maybe a 2-3 win season at best, there shouldn't be a KU fan anywhere that isn't expecting at least some improvement week over week. Instead we've watched the same dreadful garbage from the offense since SDSU; a horrible O-line unit who couldn't whip themselves out of a wet paper bag, suspect receiving corp, and an offense with the mental fortitude of a newborn baby. When do they finally say, Enough is enough !!

burnmu 8 years, 10 months ago

agreed, it's too soon to be shoving HCCW out the door. I think that once we get some more guys involved with time in HCCW's program, that the results will start to change for the better. That being said, I do think that HCCW shoots the team in the foot every game when he begins to change what's working. The team doesn't have the swagger yet to take a few hits and bounce back, he's got to change that or give play calls to another coach

kay_you 8 years, 10 months ago

We lose 4 starters to graduation this year.

BringBackMark 8 years, 10 months ago

One more Year???? You've got to be kidding. The reason for loading up with juco's is because you want to win now. If these were redshirt freshman or sophomores out there making the kinds of mistakes they're making I'd be happy to sit around another year or two. They aren't. Even if we had a 3 or 4 win season next year we'd be decimated with graduation losses. Nope, no more time. Zenger should explain clearly to Weis that he has 8 more games to turn this into a football team and there's nothing less than a bowl appearance that's acceptable. Somebody has got to get tough on this program and team.

kay_you 8 years, 10 months ago

Bad on offense, bad on defense and bad on kicking teams but I think the key lies in the offense. The o-line is getting out muscled and out maneuvered. I believe we went 6 straight series without a first down. Can't keep putting the defense out there.

Dirk Medema 8 years, 10 months ago

Although after 3 stops in the 1st, the D didn't stop much of anything. It definitely snowballed, but the D needs to be able to last for more than 3 series.

Doug Cramer 8 years, 10 months ago

Kingfisher are you serious ? Did u not see the gaping holes opening up on the line...meanwhile Mayfield had all day to find targets. It's time for you, gorilla, Jayhawkintx, and Kellerman to take off the rose color glasses...and come back to realism about this KU football team.

Chris Bailey 8 years, 10 months ago

I agree but not going to call out Table_Rock_Jayhawk as we could be neighbors in the near future. He's right and you're right. We are much better on D than last year but a D on the field for 100 plays can't look too great. Any D would be fatigued. The Tech offense had great filed position all day. See Jesse's article as it does a nice job breaking the game down!

Chris Bailey 8 years, 10 months ago

I agree but not going to call out Table_Rock_Jayhawk as we could be neighbors in the near future. He's right and you're right. We are much better on D than last year but a D on the field for 100 plays can't look too great. Any D would be fatigued. The Tech offense had great filed position all day. See Jesse's article as it does a nice job breaking the game down!

Topher Peters 8 years, 10 months ago

Anyone on here think these guys are gonna win a conference game this year now?

kay_you 8 years, 10 months ago

The wheels didn't just fall off today, the axles did as well, the engine blew up and the car caught fire. But I refuse to join the sky is falling club. So yes, I think they can win a conference game this year.

90sHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

I agree with Kay, I think they pull out a conference win this year, IF they haven't given up mentally before that game is played.

Andy Godwin 8 years, 10 months ago

Predicted 3 wins before the season, and it appears to be only a dream now. There are not enough Ben Heeney's and Tony Pierson's on the team.

Chris Bailey 8 years, 10 months ago

May not be a Tony Pierson for quite awhile.

lv70 8 years, 10 months ago

Have some bad news, Charlie is clueless, one of many living off of Tom Brady's arm. Why is offensive line so bad, did he not recognize that, good coaches know how to fix deficiencies and good coaches know how to minimize them.

Michael Luby 8 years, 10 months ago

Nope. Not gonna happen. I don't even like football. Don't care.
What I do care about is Basketball. I sincerely hope that a certain 3 writers for this site, do not miss covering ANY basketball games.

90sHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

If you don't like football, why are you spending the time commenting on football articles?

Doug Cramer 8 years, 10 months ago

Anyone still drinking the pre-season kool-aid ?

90sHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Until we actually starting beating teams my grandma Sally couldn't, the caveat after every preseason football article from here on out that mentions how GREAT and WONDERFUL the team looks should state "But they were playing themselves"

Chris Bailey 8 years, 10 months ago

I think we were all drunk on it all spring and summer. Hell I think Matt was too. We obviously don't want him coming on he everyday telling us how bad we are and how this or that is terrible. He wouldn't have a job if he did but the offense is just terrible. We are far worse than last year. Is our QB better? Yes but we aren't better anywhere else.

gorilla10 8 years, 10 months ago

What I saw today was a lack of confidence after a huge momentum swing. Look people, after about midway through the third quarter the game was over. The players were lost and out of it. The play at that time does not represent our talent or level of football. I believe coaching hurt us very very badly today. Tis team looked GREAT in the first quarter and quit running what was working for some reason. this was absolutely NOt the time to bring Cummings into the game especially when Heaps and KU had just gotten in a rythm. penalties were bad(which comes back to coaching). Coach Weis is trying to do waaaaaaaay to much at this point. The spread looked good and Heaps can make plays. I will not give up on this team or the coaching and still believe we can compete next week......

Joe Ross 8 years, 10 months ago

Guess you've taken those rose-colored glasses off, gorilla. I told you that hoping for your team to do well is different than having the expectation that they will win. You were all rainbows and unicorns, though, and worse than that, you gave everyone a shot in the arm if they tried to view things realistically. Our wins came over dung-heap teams, and we barely squeaked those out. We lost to Rice, which was a game we should have won had we had any semblance of solid team. So I knew going into the TTech game, a ranked opponent mind you, that we would have an upbill battle. Your tongue let loose its fury. At reason. And you chicken out by calling people who disagreed with you poor fans. You, sir, are an idiot. You are unrealistic. And you abandon reason to be a Homer. Yes, root for the team. But for God's sake, man, don't leave your intellect at home on the shelf. You had a ruder awakening than necessary. Yes...I continue to hope the Hawks improve. But Im not going to prognosticate on our chances to beat anyone (save maybe Iowa State) without better evidence that position by position we start to improve. Leave the fairies and butterflies behind and step into realism.

Doug Cramer 8 years, 10 months ago

JRoss - he's not the only one. I'll call out Kellerman, and Jayhawkintx too...who have given me some tongue lashings for being realistic.

Doug Cramer 8 years, 10 months ago

Also throw Kingfisher in with those guys as well. Too much kool-aid drinking.

Doug Cramer 8 years, 10 months ago

No anger here bud...just a realistic sentiment of our football team...that you always seem to have a problem with. Looks like my 3-9 prediction may be one game short...but it's 1 game better than yours :) Tell me fisher....are ya still drinking that kool-aid ?

gorilla10 8 years, 10 months ago

Jross knows more about rainbows, fairies and unicorns than he does about football. Hahah!

gorilla10 8 years, 10 months ago

Jokes? I'm talking football and you bring up fairy tales??? Haha, the truth eludes me?? What I know is that the ability to face adversity, mental toughness and execution cost us this game. This is the toughest part about turning around this program. Look at a team like kstate (I hate them), they have talent but not much more than we do yet even with 5 turnovers and a qb disaster they still almost win on the road against a ranked opponent. Why you ask??? Because they know how to win, they have ment toughness, they can face adversity in a game and stay true to their game. I'm not sure Weis is the best coach to beat these aspects into our players but I hope he can! I'm not trying to prove you right or wrong. I just love KU football and believe they can turn this thing around with this group of players! And by turnaround I mean win a conference game and maybe get 5 wins next season. Call me dumb, crazy, stupid but if the mental mistakes are fixed, our team can do good things! Sorry for being a jerk, yesterday sucked.....

Joe Ross 8 years, 10 months ago

You are NOT talking football. Not if you think being realistic means Im no fan. No, sir. You ARE talking leprechauns, rabbit's feet, and lucky horseshoes. You are NOT realistic.

Joe Ross 8 years, 10 months ago

My point is that you can't call into questions peoples' fanhood just because they take a realistic perspective about what our chances are in football games (or basketball games or any other sport for that matter). No one here WANTS Kansas to lose. That is the measuring stick by which you should judge fanhood. But if we were to play Alabama and I said I dont think we have a good chance of winning, I would be no less a fan. I said the same thing about Texas Tech. The way the game played out shows I wasn't crazy. It is what it is. But I would drop labeling people as poor fans because it is hard for them to see us winning this game or that.

KGphoto 8 years, 10 months ago

Well then jross, I would drop labeling people as “idiots”, because they prefer to stay positive. We’re all KU fans, just as much as you.

KU 8 years, 10 months ago

It's hard to execute or have any confidence in yourselves when your coach is now on his THIRD offense of the SEASON. Weis has basically told his kids not once, or twice, but THREE times "hey, we can't win with what we are doing because you aren't good enough to execute what I draw up." This is a crisis of Charlie Weis' confidence in his OWN ability as an offensive (not that kind of offensive) guru. His lack of confidence has now taken hold of his offense.

I am beginning to lose faith is Weis. If he has seen and recognizes NFL talent, he should have known in the off-season that he didn't have the horses to run a pro-style offense. One of the few types of offenses that can equalize bad talent with good talent is the spread. You just need a QB who can pitch and a few athletic receivers who can catch. You don't need great linemen and your backs just need to be able to pick up blitzes and catch a few screen passes and run a few draws.

gorilla10 8 years, 10 months ago

I agree but don't give up yet....It's too easy to give up on the coaching at this point.

Joe Ross 8 years, 10 months ago

Charlie Weis will be the first to tell you that coaching needs to improve. If Weis has the candor to say he doesn't blame the fans for leaving the game (on the basis that it stunk), he'd also admit that fans are okay in questioning his coaching based on lack of results. I think Weis is man enough to prove it before asking us to believe in unicorns.

Randy Bombardier 8 years, 10 months ago

No. No, I don't think so. Weis does not really take responsibility. In fact, Charlie, what you are suggesting is a ruse. One does not say, I take full responsibility for the way our team played today, I take full responsibility for the way our team played this year, I take full responsibility for the way our team has played during my tenure without a certain amount of smoozin bs. Yeah, right. This guy is really starting to get under my skin. Fleecing ND while he is fleecing us. Oh, yeah, I think he tries but so what. He is apparently inept. If he really really means it, he will hire an oc. Then, if that does not work, he will eventually step down. If you know you are not cutting it and you really want to man up, step down. That's what real men do. At some point they say, this is not working and I do not know why.

mikehawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Folks, the hype and unrealistic optimism is now officially over. No more raising expectations beyond what is reasonable. This game really shows where this program is at. I have no idea how much is coaching. People are payed a lot of money to evaluate that. It is easy and simple to blame the coach and coaching every time we lose. If we should take off and win a couple of Big 12 games bloggers and call-in shows would swear Uncle Charlie is a genius. The history of KU football is a great team once every decade. Still, the program is at a depth which will take at least four years to dig out of due to the shear numbers of good players required to build a solid program. The most troubling thing is the juco experiment is only clocking 50%, at best, and the scholarships which could have gone to high school kids you lose with now and win with later are gone. The fans are not the only ones laying awake at night thinking basketball can't get here fast enough. The AD is in his bed with his eyes wide open thinking the same thing. This is going to be a long journey, and sadly, there are more days like today ahead...hopefully, minus the fake punt.

90sHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

I think a lot of that hype and unrealistic optimism was fueled by LJW writers themselves. They were putting out article after preseason article that indicated this team was ready for a breakout season. Now in all fairness, they weren't predicting an 8-9 win season, but when folks are reading how improved a particular unit looks, or this player or that player is a clear upgrade over what we had last year, fans can't help but to have expectations of their Jayhawks.

Adam McEwen 8 years, 10 months ago

true, be we aren't at a point where we can get the quality high school recruits yet. Going JUCO was really our only option

90sHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

I'd have to disagree with you about not getting any quality HS recruits Rawk. We'll see how they develop, but some of the guys Weis has been able to sign had serious interest and/or offers from other good programs. 2013 class examples: Jordan Darling - OU and KSU; Montell Cozart - Neb., WVU, MU; Colton Goeas - Tenn. and UCLA; Ben Johnson - ND and Stanford; Colin Spencer - TCU, Mich St, Ark. 2014 class examples: Jacob Bragg - OU, OSU, Baylor; Kyron Watson - Mich, MU, TCU; Traevhon Wrench - KSU, MU, Neb.;

mikehawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Oh, by the way, Matt. You know I love and respect you because if they cut you open, Crimson and Blue runs out all over the floor. But I think you need to have an alternative picture of yourself to post in your column during the week following a debacle like today. The one with the big laugh/smile just doesn't work right now. I think I'll look for an alternative avatar, also. Something with a puke green background might be fitting.

KU 8 years, 10 months ago

"Seeing red: Charlie Weis ‘not content with anything’ after KU’s 54-16 loss to Texas Tech"

Fair enough! I'm not content with Charlie Weis........or Tim Grunhard.

gorilla10 8 years, 10 months ago

Fire them all and what? Start over again, lose recruits? You dummy's that want Weis and Zenger fired don't have a clue about college athletics....

Larry Smith 8 years, 10 months ago

Offensive genius.

There are 123 FBS schools. KU ranks 120 in Total yds, 98 in yards per game, 102 in pass ypg and 103 in points per game.

741hawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Really? That reminds me of the previous regime (which I refuse to refer to by name). That is GAWD AWFUL!

chimhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

We have to be patient. Charlie has done a lot of things right and has only been head coach for one and one-third years. Please remember that in Mangino's last year and the two years of Turner Gill, very little effective recruiting was done, and Weis has had to rebuild from scratch. In addition, during the TG years the strength program was a joke. Rome was not built in a day. The thing that concerns me the most is the play selection, which at times appears to be bizarre. However, Charlie is smart, and I think he'll figure that out. This year is not going to be a good one, but a lot of pieces are falling into place for a great deal of improvement in 2014. Let's give him a fair chance. He'll get it done, given enought time.

Larry Smith 8 years, 10 months ago

I would say it was the last 2 years of Mangino's recruiting is what really hurt us. Some of the best playmakers we have are the result of the 2 Gill recruiting classes. Gill had it right when he immediately noticed that we had no team speed and no depth. One of the few things that staff did relatively well.

BringBackMark 8 years, 10 months ago

Where are these signs that Weis will get it done? I keep reading these kinds of comments and there's just nothing to substantiate it. Look at how much we will lose player wise at the end of next season. Do we have redshirt freshman sitting there learning from the great Weis?? No, we don't. We sold out that concept for a quick fix juco approach that has completely blown up in his face.

Weis is completely uninvolved in the game. What is he staring at out on the field during timeouts? Get in these kids face and wake them up. There's got to be some mental discipline and toughness added to this program. More years is not going to improve that. It's time a lot you wake up to the fact that being an NFL assistant coach does not make you a quality college head coach.

I actually laughed this past summer when either SI or ESPN ranked all of the D-I coaches from top to bottom. Weis was dead last in the Big 12 and close to the bottom for all schools. I thought at the time "how could he rank below Kingsbury who hasn't even coached a game yet?". Well, now I see how.

Zenger needs to quit wallowing in is new pay raise and fix this, NOW.

90sHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

We need new receivers though; glad Harwell is coming. The guys we have I just don't expect to get much better, if at all. McCay for instance, had all last year to practice with Heaps, and he isn't even relevant this year.

BringBackMark 8 years, 10 months ago

Please read my comment before you repeatedly show that you browse the two deep chart. After next year is when the losses will eat this team up. For you I will explain a little more clearly. Let's say we go ummmm 2-10 this year. Next year we may be able to improve to 4-8 with all of the juco's, transfers, and a lot of other key players that, face it, Turner Gill recruited. But most of them will be gone after that. We don't have young talent waiting in the wings. So we start over.

Regardless, the problems plaguing this team aren't related to talent level. We can all exchange barbs over whether Weis is doing a good job recruiting but in the end it doesn't matter because he's already demonstrated that he can't instill the discipline and mental toughness it takes to win at the D-I level.

Bryce Landon 8 years, 10 months ago

I agree. What kind of shape would KU football have been in if Glen Mason had been fired after his second or third year? Remember, Mason was left to deal with the dumpster fire that was the Bob Valesente regime, and, after three years, his record was 8-24-1. It wasn't until his fourth season that he finally got a winning record, and his fifth season that he finally got the Jayhawks to a bowl game.

gorilla10 8 years, 10 months ago

Why we lost today.

  1. Bad coaching....
  2. Momentum swing
  3. No discipline physically or mentally
  4. Inability to face ADVERSITY

Talent is there, heaps can play, but not a thing clicked on the field or sideline outside the first quarter. In NO WAY is Tech that much better than KU...we have to find a way to stop shooting ourselves in the foot!!! Mental toughness and the ability to face ADVERSITY is what we need to improve at.....

gorilla10 8 years, 10 months ago

Notice how KState can have 5 turnovers and still almost get a win. They know how to compete. KU needs to learn how to compete!!! Probably the toughest thing to teach to a program that hasn't been very successful....

milehighhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

"Curious miscue," lol.

When I saw the fake punt disaster, I thought to myself, "well that certainly is a curious miscue!"

ahpersecoachingexperience 8 years, 10 months ago

Not seen were the key marks and pee on the tires of the other side of the car!

Andy Tweedy 8 years, 10 months ago

Matt, When you pick the brain of your DII coach, I'd be curious to know what he thought of those disastrous screen passes that kept getting blown up. What I saw from the stands was a running back tackled by a defender who was in the vicinity of a blocker who didn't seem to get even a sniff of a block. Are our guys not athletic enough to get to the defender? Are they not putting out the effort to get to the defender? Are the defenders just so good that we can't block them? Why does every other team in America seem to get some value out of the screen pass, but we get stuffed every time we run it (at least it seemed that way). I didn't think it was possible, but I think I'm getting more frustrated by today's game the longer I think about it.

Eric Barron 8 years, 10 months ago

Lets bring back the large man. No doubt discipline can be restored.

Lonnie Ross Dillon 8 years, 10 months ago

I really did not get the play calling. We have one of the best running backs in the conference, yet on 3rd and short we bring in a different QB and a running formation, basically daring the TT defense to stop us. At least with Heaps you keep the defense honest. Of course, Sims is getting no running room with that offensive line unable to get him holes. I think changing QBs had a lot to do with the false starts, QBs typically having unique cadence in their count.

And let's talk about those personal fouls...throwing a guy OB long after the whistle has blown? Head butting the QB? Really? Poor discipline by the defense.


tophawk87 8 years, 10 months ago

  1. O-line is anemic
  2. Play calling is chaotic

I almost feel sorry for Charlie Weis... then I remember we are paying him $2,500,000 per year

Andy Godwin 8 years, 10 months ago

I am just amazed about how he was able to pull the wool over everyone's eyes for so long. He is a terrible college football head coach. Last year he was the most overpaid coach based on salary per wins and that does not even factor in the wind fall from another program that was stupid enough to hire him. "Weis is scheduled to keep getting buyout payments until Dec. of 2015, and that the total buyout should end up totaling $18,966,867".

Randy Bombardier 8 years, 10 months ago

I said about all i had to say above, but weis better stop blaming his players and start taking responsibility. what i see is a lack of emphasis on physical play, emphasis on basics, and a need to keep the offense simple with subtle variations. We need to drill, drill, drill. We should be running the ball. I am rapidly losing confidence in this staff. we are pathetic.

Andy Godwin 8 years, 10 months ago

Absolutely in agreement. The players put their bodies on line for this slob and then it is always someone's fault. I remember distinctly in his first press conference about how easy it will be to improve on the previous coach's winning record (which Weis has yet to do) and that if they can do it in Manhattan then it will be no big deal for him. Note to Weis', that team west of us has a good coach, not a wind bag who is always blameless.

Jerry Tompkins 8 years, 10 months ago

Thank goodness basketball season is nearly here.

leonard 8 years, 10 months ago

This is said in all seriousness...don't even mistake it for sarcasm.

Charlie always post game interviews...about the extensive and exhaustive evaluation that they conduct after each game. Well, here's a suggestion...carve out a few extra minutes to read the evaluations of the Jayhawk fans right here on this thread.

We're not football coaches...we're fans. But the mistakes and shortcomings are so obvious that even we "fans" get it. It's not that complex.

And for my two cents worth...Charlie is no offensive guru. That's starkly clear after watching 16 games. An offensive guru should make a good offense great...and should make a bad offense at least good. His reputation was built in the NFL on the back of a HOF quarterback and players with great skills ( that's why they're in the NFL). His college results at ND and Florida were fairly dismal.

To quote an old axiom "football is about blocking and tackling"...and our coaches are competent enough to get that done...once we drop the charade of game planning with grand schemes...pretending that we have the talent to line up and play big boy football.

C'mon can get it done...and I'm still with you and the Jayhawks!

Jim Stauffer 8 years, 10 months ago

CW simply needs to develop a plan for his offense and then live with it and work each week on improvement. Each week we see a one trick pony of an offense with a new wrinkle but no improvement in the basics of blocking and passing and catching.

Why on earth, 5 games into the season do we not see some new faces on the O-Line. Yeah, I know, we have Admire, but Dent and Martin are wasting on the sideline while these other guys can't get in front of someone accidentally.

What Charlie needs to do is hire an OC and get out of that role and oversee and make suggestions. He needs to lend expertise to the overall plan but let someone else call the game.

Hey, folks, the facts are there. We have good enough personnel on the defense and good enough coaching to be competitive. Problem is the offense can't keep possession of the ball for 4 minutes to give them some rest.

Conclusion: The players on the defensive side of the ball are not that superior to the offensive players. It's the coaching man! Wake up, Amurica!

Brad Avery 8 years, 10 months ago

In 2006, Mark Mangino took the redshirt off of an intelligent, spry, mobile young man with a good arm named Todd Reesing and the rebirth of KU football began with a victory over Colorado. I would suggest the time is right for Weis to make the same move with another young man named Montell Cozart who is both more mobile and may have a better arm than the aforementioned Mr. Reesing.

jayhawkeratheart 8 years, 10 months ago

With all due respect, I write this here note to tell all the people that the play calling's a joke

Why change qbacks in the middle of success then stand back and watch as your line is undressed

The fans are disgusted, the players are down and football's not the same in this here town

We're all waiting to watch, a good winning team One that shows up, and plays really mean

One that is coached, and carries the pride, of previous teams in the by and by Teams that were Bowl bound, and coached to the max, knew how to bounce the ball and pick up the jacks

It's sad to tell us to wait till next year, it seems that that's the only statement that we ever hear. We're all tired of waiting, for Charlie to rise, to the position of winning, before the demise

The pay is enough to make most coaches happy, so get off your butt and stop coaching crappy. Stay with a game plan that brings you the points, and stop messin round with those funny lookin joints.

The crowd is behind you, all the way, so let's change some things that will make them stay, Stay in the bleachers til game is at end, and then head on home, and proud with the win. RCJKU

RibMan 8 years, 10 months ago

Super Genius Head Coach Charlie Weis: “When your defense is getting worn out because they're on the field the whole time, eventually something bad is gonna happen."

I thought this was what Weis was going to do to the rest of the league? KU was getting the brilliant O coordinator of the Patriots. Or was it Tom Brady that was brilliant?

Weis is nothing special. In fact, he's worse than that. KU does not have the best O coordinator in the Big 12. We may have the worst.

A terrible hire.

All hat and no cattle.

Chayse Patrick 8 years, 10 months ago

Well folks we all just saw the first of many more blowouts this year. So will dumbass Zenger be content with 3 wins in 2 years and another winless Big 12 record? My oh my I've been following KU football since 1963 and this is the absolute worse I've ever seen EVER I say!!! FIRE WEIS AND HIS ENTIRE COACHING STAFF NOWWWWWWWWWW. I CAN"T take another reply from anyone of how this is a 4-5 year plan to turn KU football around. As of now we're worse off than when Gill was here. KU needs to stay in the Big 12 in bb but drop down to say maybe the MIAA in football where wins still wouldn't be a guarantee. Time for a change now folks if Mack Brown can change things in midseason why can't KU. Come on Zenger show some balls and do something drastic because it's definitely has come to that. Yesterday Weis lost his team and another couple games he'll lose all his fans and support. Weis can say all he wants about how unacceptable this is but until it he changes it all it is total BS!!!

troutsee 8 years, 10 months ago

Unfortunately, I have been a supporter of this staff. However, what you say could very well be correct. On the positive side, last year with the same coaching staff but a different O line, we were very respectable, even with a dud at QB.

To those of us who have been around the game for years, it is very obvious that we lack talent on the O line. That is the glaring weakness of this team and it is sinking the entire ship. Thus, I feel this staff needs this year and next year to make this team competitive and if that does not happen, change will occur.

But, I could change my mind if blow out losses continue this year and it looks like they will. I think we will lose the remainder of our games by greater than 14 points.

However, to your other points, yeah I agree, there is no unity and there is no toughness and there is a lot of quit and when all of those are stirred together in a pot, it means the coaches have lost the team and when that happens the ship sinks. The fans are already gone. We fans are just looking for a smidgen of hope. Just a smidgen, that's all...just a smidgen.

90sHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Stan, you're ticked off, I get it. We all are sick of watching this junk.... Let's say we fire Weis and his entire coaching staff right now, just like you want. But rationally explain how any other coach outside of Nick Saban would be able to turn this program around within a season or two as you are demanding. No matter who we brought in, it's gonna take some time. Whether Weis is the answer, or just a solid stepping stone that the next coach can use to take this program back to respectability year after year, I don't know. But I'd lay down a huge bet that if KU goes the route of firing every head coach who can't turn the football team around by season 2, we'd never have one last beyond that.

Joe Ross 8 years, 10 months ago

Im sticking with Weis. For now. But he's got a lot of 'splaining to do. Letting mark mangino go was the worst thing t happen to KU football in the last forty years. Good coaches aren't a dime a dozen. Even bad ones cost a pretty penny. Ask turner gill. Time to get this thing turned around, coach. Quickly. Please and thank you.

90sHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

For those wanting Weis fired, I certainly hope you understand and fully support the next coach for a full 4 or 5 seasons, no matter the W-L record. I have no illusions you would, only calling for that coach's head in his first season as he struggles with a program even further in the depths. Look people, firing Weis after this season will NOT get us anywhere but further down the hole we're in, and we were deep, deep, deep when Weis arrived. Weis might not be the ultimate answer and he definitely needs to make some changes, such as hiring an OC, but he's recruiting players to KU that would otherwise have gone elsewhere.

Erin Carter 8 years, 10 months ago

I am with you 90sHawk, firing Charlie Weis is not the answer and I have certainly not fallen off of the Weis Bandwagon. I think that Mangino got a raw deal at KU but we have to move on go with what we have right now. We need to give CW time to get this thing out of the ditch and back up on the road. It happened with Mangino it will happen with Weis.

90sHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Mangino did get a raw deal. He was an A-hole, no disputing that. But as you said, KU fans have to move on. Mangino is not coming back. I repeat, Mangino is not coming back. Those people need to get over it already. The man responsible for his departure, Lew, is no longer with KU either. Good riddance. Those fans need to focus on the here and now. Things look bleak when we get blown out like we did against Tech, but I believe Weis is working towards getting the train back on the track. We are a society of give it to me, and give it to me now! ... sorry to tell those folks, but changing a culture of losing takes some time and for those that don't have the patience to see it through, go ahead and jump of the bandwagon now and save yourself the weekly frustration.

Chris Gilbertson 8 years, 10 months ago

Is anyone else as worried about the Baylor game as I am now? I'm worried they will drop 100 on us.

texashawk10 8 years, 10 months ago

Baylor won't drop a 100 on KU. Briles will pull the starters after Baylor hits 60 and their back ups generally haven't put many points on the board this year.

90sHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Ha .. that's make me feel better, only a 60+ point loss. Much less embarrassing than 100

wsjayhawk1 8 years, 10 months ago

Fire Weis. His players look sloppy and his play selection is bizarre. He is a great con man. I said this before. Pick a top program and bring in a good assistant coach for a fourth of the money. Then reward him if he is successful. This is crazy with the money KU has paid over the past 4 years. We could have had grade school coach here and done as well.

Chris Gilbertson 8 years, 10 months ago

If you fire Weis now though NOBODY will want to come to KU and coach. Not that people were knocking down the door to come coach here anyway, but if you fire Weis now it just gets worse. They should really consider hiring an offensive coordinator though, and maybe think about getting a new O-line coach.

90sHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Bingo '81. If we fire Weis now, why on earth would any coach want to come here knowing full well that it will be impossible for him to turn things around in one season. And when he doesn't, the fans will call for his head as well. Short-sighted thinking and a big overreaction from our fan base at the moment. I'm as frustrated as the rest, but firing CW isn't the answer right now.

BayPark 8 years, 10 months ago

Fresno St. will likely be in the top 20 this week. They never rank higher than KU in recruiting. They have a no name coach. Yet, every year they're competitive. Hard to put your finger on what we're doing wrong.

90sHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

I know nothing about the Fresno St football program, but I'd have to think there years of moderate, and at times highly successful non-BCS program is due to coaching stability. They're on only their 3rd head coach in 30+ years if i'm not mistaken; Pat Hill being there a long time. Coaching stability, the complete opposite of what our fan base expects unless you can turn KU around in one season.

Kevin Crook 8 years, 10 months ago

Our offensive game plan is pathetic. An empty backfield with one QB, then bring in a different QB to run or hand off is stupid. A good offense keeps a defense guessing and off balance. There was no doubt which play we were running by our ridiculous formations and QB swapping. Why couldn't Heap have handed it off? Why didn't we try to establish the running game, our only strength, once we got the lead? Our coaching is embarrassing...

texashawk10 8 years, 10 months ago

Careful with that kind of logic kevsum. kay_you will start trying to convince you that the 5 wide sets with Heaps didn't give away a pass was coming and that Cummings lined up in the full house didn't give away an option was coming despite the fact KU almost exclusively ran options out of the formation last year.

kay_you 8 years, 10 months ago

thawk, read windmills post. No one has explained it better than he has.

BTW, even without the switch in QB's the DC knows whether it's a run or pass most of the time by the circumstances and strengths of the offense. College playbooks are not as sophisticated as the NFL. And just by knowing whether it's a run or pass still does not eliminate the host of options each pass or run play presents. Did you know who the intended receiver was in the scenario you just described? I didn't think so.

kay_you 8 years, 10 months ago

p.s. You can have the last word. I am growing weary of this argument which is at best a moot point.

LonghornJayhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Re Weis change, not really an option at this point (=this morning). As was noted we would have to hit the reset button, and who could KU get to come here given the recent track record of coaching changes. Many might view it as career suicide. Have to make it both attractive for the right person and economically feasible for the University. Believe me, I am getting really tired of this type of performance - D1 athletics success starts and ends with Football, I do not care how good the MBB team is each year.

I do have a possible scenario in mind that might work should the fiasco on offense continue into the rest of the season, although I will keep that to myself for now.

One data point to consider - this is the third year with Bobby Hauck at UNLV...years one and two were not good, ie 2-10ish each season. I attended two games last year (Minnesota and Nevada at home) and they should have won both of those games - lost in OT to UMinn and blew a big halftime lead vs UNR. After watching the Rebels in the last year of the prior staff vs Wisconsin (why were they even on the schedule?), the team that took the field last year appeared more athletic, bigger, in better shape than before. This year, UNLV has just won three in a row, one of which snapped a long road losing streak (similar to KU). They play 0-5 Hawaii at home this coming Sat, and if they win that game they might be looking at a legit chance to become bowl eligible w/six wins. Air Force, SD State and SJ State are not playing well this year, and it is possible that UNLV beats two of them. Conclusion - in Year 3 they appear to have started to turn their program around...thus coaching stability is important.

Kevin Crook 8 years, 10 months ago

Mr Zenger seems like a really nice man, it's hard to believe his short career at KU will be tied to Weis, and it was his own choice.

316kufan 8 years, 10 months ago

Receivers cannot get open, did anyone watch the actual game? They are not burners anyone notices why TPierson catches the ball ? Because he is fast, KU needs speed at the receiver, McDonald and Shepherd played great but its hard when there are 4-5 wideouts on TT who can ball.

texashawk10 8 years, 10 months ago

You don't need speedy receivers to have a successful passing game, but it does help. WR's who can get off the line and run good routes can get open easily and be very effective.

Chris Bailey 8 years, 10 months ago


What has me completely perplexed is how we can look decent in the spring game and look so awful now. We caught the ball, we got some separation against the same Dbacks that we put on the field every day. Our pass D seems decent so one would assume that our receivers are better. I just don't get it. I mean we have several 3 and 4 star players at the position (I'm also counting Bourbon and Pierson). Harwell would help but if he's the only threat then they'll double him and he's taken out of the picture next year as well. The line blocked during the spring game. Are they afraid? Is something wrong with chemistry? I just don't get it. They seemed to mesh in the spring game so it would seem logical that they have gotten better. Sterling and Dent have starting experience as well as Admire. Just seems like we could put out a descent group. Admire was a 3 star guard out of high school I believe. We have a couple true freshman that I'm sure will redshirt. I really hope we can get a couple big nasties out of high school this recruiting class but I'm still lost for a reason we are so bad on the line. You probably have a better idea than I do seeing them more frequently.

316kufan 8 years, 10 months ago

It takes a special kid who has a feel for the game it's something that cannot be taught, I have seen players shoot 3s all day in practice but when the games on goodbye the skill is gone. Spring games mean nothing its the reaction on the field on gameday how they respond and I have not seen any from them.

316kufan 8 years, 10 months ago

It takes a special kid who has a feel for the game it's something that cannot be taught, I have seen players shoot 3s all day in practice but when the games on goodbye the skill is gone. Spring games mean nothing its the reaction on the field on gameday how they respond and I have not seen anything from them.

coninlibland 8 years, 10 months ago

In all reality, I think this is all very amusing. You had a good coach(Mangino) who was just to mean and hired a touchy, feely coach with no real history(Gill)...... and now you've thrown a lot of money at a coach who is questionable at best(CW)!!! Find an assistant coach like Mangino and stick with him, K-State had the worst program in the NCAA and look what Snyder, Mangino, Stoops, and Venables did for them. Quality, not flash and jive.

JayhawkRock78 8 years, 10 months ago

Since I live in Houston I took the family to the Rice game. My guess was 3500 ku fans pulling hard for our team-made me proud. i was at the Ttech game this weekend, same thoughts about the game and fans. 25,000??? More like 35,000 at least. The West stands were full along with the bowl. The higher section on the East side and visitor section at the goal line were mostly empty. Maybe they gave away tickets and only counted sold, but I think we had at least 35,000 through the first half.

After watching two games...

1. Our QB has a good arm, but can't scramble at all, and since our line can't give him time we need to run short out patterns frequently for 4 or 5 yards with a run mixed in and sometimes pass 5- 15 over the middle. When he is looking downfield he needs to let it go after 4 seconds. Also, It seems every screen play gets blown up!

In the 2nd quarter out defense started saging too much and let them make two long drives, but we got thought in the red zone and I was happy that only cost us 3 points.

The second half was a comedy of errors on both sides of the ball. I was sitting in a section of lettermen and we just got tired of the poor play-most left late in Q3.

I agree HCCW needs an OC. And if our punter doesn't understand the green light doesn't apply he has the option to run doesn't apply to 4th and 10 on your 19 yard line you and the special teams coach both don't belong in Div 1 ball. Actually our kickers are total studs- but they should know better and the special teams coach should say NOT NOW!!! Before he goes out to punt.

I knew the defense could not hold up once the offense was in 3 and out mode.

And cornerbacks. If all you can do is run beside a receiver in the end zone without looking back for the ball with your back to the ball then quit and let a real player replace you. Be an athlete. All you did was give him a Touchdown and the ball on the 2. Worthless effort and game killing tactics.

Nolan Cromwell would have something to tell you about that.

gorilla10 8 years, 10 months ago

Is everyone done? KU is 2-2 and ready to move on with the season. I know they won't give up like most of you fans have!!! Rock chalk

Doug Cramer 8 years, 10 months ago

3-9 Gorilla...3-9. If we get to 4-8...will consider that a successful season.

gorilla10 8 years, 10 months ago

completely agree....I still feel that this team could win 5-6 next year with more experience playing together and some help from this years redshirts. Harwell is greatly needed....

316kufan 8 years, 10 months ago

Heaps has an arm but if he holds the ball longer than 3secs he's done son, I was at the game as well and it seemed like my son and I were the only ones yelling and cheering on the hawks my son is only 11 and ask why people were not getting up and cheering lol loosing up fans don't be so tense have fun, patience is a virtue. 1st quarter is what this team can be I seen it, and if people want to say its the o-line well its not the HC job to prepare them......

JayhawkRock78 8 years, 10 months ago

I don't know why that font went bonkers. It reads like I'm shouting in the middle of my posts. I haven't given up on our team, just stating what needs to be corrected.

Mike Pressgrove 8 years, 10 months ago

Terrible performance by the offensive line. I know we lost three starters, but the coaches have had these kids for weeks and they are not getting better. Maybe Grunhard needs to spend less time running the Dubliner and more time coaching or bring in a real D1 o-line coach instead of a high school coach.

316kufan 8 years, 10 months ago

That's right, weed out players who dont want to be there what about the coaches who really wants to coach and help build this jayhawk team upit goes both ways a HC can only do so much that's why they have skills coaches may CW needs to look deeper than the players, I seen TT assistants fired up and pushing their players. These are young men who need structure, come on jayhawks get mad.

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