Monday, July 8, 2013

Tyshawn Taylor leads Nets in summer league loss


Former Kansas University point guard Tyshawn Taylor scored a team-leading 17 points off 6-of-18 shooting with one assist against six turnovers in the Brooklyn Nets’ 76-67 loss to Detroit in an Orlando Summer League opener on Sunday.

Taylor, a second-year pro, went 0-for-3 from three and hit five of seven free throws. He had four rebounds in 27 minutes in the coaching debut of former NBA guard Jason Kidd.

“I was talking bad about him last year when he hit that three on us and kicked his foot out and everything,” Taylor joked to ESPN New York on Saturday, referring to Kidd’s game-winning three (for the Knicks) against the Nets last December.

“Now, he’s my coach. It’s cool, man. It’s a different situation that a lot of guys probably aren’t used to, but like I said, he’s a natural leader, so he’s comfortable in this role, and it’s comfortable being around him,” Taylor added.

Rookie odds: Former KU guard Ben McLemore of the Sacramento Kings is listed at 10/1 odds to win 2013-14 NBA rookie of the year honors, as reported by the Salt Lake Tribune and Vegas company Bovada.

Trey Burke of the Utah Jazz is 4/1, followed by Orlando’s Victor Oladipo, 11/2; Portland’s C.J. McCollum, 15/2; Washington’s Otto Porter, 15/2; Philadelphia’s Michael Carter-Williams, 9/1 and Cleveland’s Anthony Bennett, 10/1.

Rush to be ready: Brandon Rush (torn ACL) should be ready to practice at the start of Utah Jazz training camp in October, the Salt Lake Tribune reports.

His agent, Mark Bartelstein, told the paper 28-year-old Rush (his birthday was Sunday) “is rehabbing, is doing great” and that he “should be ready to go” at camp. Rush, who has averaged 9.1 points a game in five seasons, is in the final year of a two-year, $8 million deal.

Stanley Johnson eyes Late Night: Stanley Johnson, a 6-6 senior small forward from Mater Dei High in Santa Ana, Calif., who is ranked No. 8 nationally by, tells the Louisville Courier-Journal he is considering visiting KU for the Oct. 4 Late Night in the Phog.

He will also make official visits to Kentucky (Big Blue Madness on Oct. 18), Arizona (Oct. 12), Florida (Oct. 30) and Oregon. He will make unofficial visits to USC and UCLA. Johnson said No. 4-rated Cliff Alexander (6-8, Chicago Curie) also wants to visit KU for Late Night.

Alexander, who lists 10 schools, tells he will visit KU, Arizona, Louisville and Memphis in the fall. He also is considering Michigan State, Kentucky, Illinois, DePaul, Indiana and Baylor.

Jaylen Johnson likes KU: Jaylen Johnson, a 6-8 senior power forward from Ypsilanti (Mich.) High who is ranked No. 68 in the Class of 2014, tells he has heard from KU on the recruiting trail. He says Michigan State, Oregon, Iowa State, USC and Louisville have shown the most interest with KU, Texas, N.C. State, Georgetown, TCU and VCU involved.


Phil Leister 8 years, 12 months ago

If Tyshawn's gonna be the Nets' backup PG, he needs to forget about scoring the ball and reverse that 6:1 turnover to assist ratio.

KUFan90 8 years, 12 months ago

No doubt. 18 shots, 1 assist and 6 TOs is not going to cut it.

Evan Bilyeu 8 years, 12 months ago

He also needs to take way less shots and more assists.

Phil Leister 8 years, 12 months ago

Not to mention shoot less and have more assists.

SaltLakeHawk 8 years, 12 months ago

probably less shooting and more assisting is in order

s6u6r6f 8 years, 12 months ago

On the other hand, he could also try making more passes that lead directly to baskets and taking fewer shots himself. Rock chalk.

JJHawq 8 years, 12 months ago

Looking forward to taking my little jayhawks to some mater dei games this winter.

ahpersecoachingexperience 8 years, 12 months ago

33% from the floor with no 3's and 6 turnovers isn't really what I call "leads" unless your talking about in the wrong direction.

Michael Pannacciulli 8 years, 12 months ago

Worst headline ever. I got so excited when I read the headline then as I read the article I was thinking I must be missing something here. Is he "leading" by default because he is the PG? I am fine with the scoring...that current crop doesn't need help scoring but its never a bad thing. Kidd will be focused primarily on the assists, his overall awarness on the court and his leadership. The fouls in summer league are a joke. You can get 10 or something crazy like that so I don't put much stock in that stat at the moment.

ollerfarm 8 years, 12 months ago

Hey, it's the way he played point at KU, hogging the ball and turnovers, it's the TT way!

Jeff Kilgore 8 years, 12 months ago

And got us into a national championship game . . . TT was very unfairly criticized from a statistical standpoint, but even more, from a leadership standpoint. There has never been a Jayhawk who wanted it more and played more fearlessly.

Ann Oneill 8 years, 12 months ago

After watching the first half of the Nets game, I'm surprised that Tyshawns stats were as good as they were. He was probably 0-8 from the field in the first quarter, driving to the hoop every time he got the ball, and missing. Probably needs to share the rock a little better

Jeff Coffman 8 years, 12 months ago

Disappointed with the comments. TT you can and have played better. Scoring 17 isn't all bad. In these development leagues a lot of times they do want them to practice one thing. I'm sure he was asked to drive the ball several times. This simulates a real game and will make him better.

Jack Wilson 8 years, 12 months ago

I said this many years ago .. TT's shoot first approach would doom him as a point guard. The best thing for the guy to develop as a point guard would have been to tell him he can't shoot except on a fast break. Have him focus on setting up teammates, driving and dishing, all before shooting. But it wasn't to be.

TT at his worst were the drives, getting blocked, the fall aways, throwing up bricks, turning it over when he got stuck in the air. This was the status quo until the last half of his senior season. When he drove, he was looking to shoot first. Many, many times he would drive with guys he could pass to, but he'd shoot anyway, not even looking to pass. I wasted a lot of posting time here documenting it.

I think all along, Self saw the player that TT was in the second half of his senior season, and was trying to harness that. I didn't see that. I'm still shocked at the turnaround. Self's vision of TT helped get us to within a few minutes of a national championship. But it also caused most of us countless hours of anxiety and hair loss.

rudymchavez 8 years, 12 months ago

Taylor may have to play in Europe or the D-league, the turnovers are a problem for any head coach in the NBA and Jason Kidd is no exception. He has little time to change his style and mentality of play, he got away with it here at KU.

duanep5ku 8 years, 12 months ago

What is this the bash TT poster thread starting up today? I did notice the MR negative poster on here pointing out TT flaws, from previous years.But then again if I remember his previous post correctly. He's also the same one that posted TT would never play in the NBA. If any one watched the game,you would understand those are pretty decent numbers for the game for TT. Tyshawn did try to pass the ball to his team mates but they did not make their shots, so it's a bit skewed the stats on assist to turnovers. TT also made some driving to the basket plays that was pretty dam impressive in the game. Tyshawn was not hogging the ball during the game, he drove mostly to the basket, when he had the lane. Oh and like I said already when he did make the correct pass to the other players they would more times, then not either turn it over or miss the shot. Tyshawn did make a few bad plays late but,he had to try and do something,because nobody else on the team was doing much.

rockchalk_dpu 8 years, 12 months ago

Yes, people tend to forget that to record an assist, the player you pass to actually has to make the basket. If Kidd is smart, and I believe he is, he's using these games not as a measure of a player's stats, but using them as an opportunity to look at how the player performs in a given situation and how well they follow the coaching given to them. Did they make the smart play or try to force things? If Ty is chucking guarded 30 footers and trying to play 1 on 5 that's one thing, but if he is finding his shot in the course of the offense and it isn't going in and making the easy pass to the open man rather than the fancy one, then there's not much more Kidd can ask for. Of course he will need to clean up the turnovers, but a lot of that will go away when ball pressure subsides during the regular season since the defense isn't as tight then. These summer league games can be more competitive than the real thing since guys are fighting for their careers here and therefore trying to showcase everything they have. Just some thoughts to try and back up your post.


Jeff Kilgore 8 years, 12 months ago

I agree. I'd love to have another player like him. Fearless, a good teammate, and a fun guy.

Sam Constance 8 years, 12 months ago

When did Rush join the Jazz?

Wasn't he playing for Golden State when is knee went out?

EDIT: just did a Google search and saw that he was traded about a day ago (might be a worthwhile mention in the article, since it JUST happened)

kerbyd 8 years, 12 months ago

There's a headline dated July 5th of it on

Kevin Huffman 8 years, 12 months ago

I think I'd heard others say it.

The hard recruiting of some of the better 2014 recruits is a "CYA" scenario in case have massive coming outs from not just Wiggins but also Selden, Embiid & Ellis. 1) No freakin' way do I say Ellis leaving in ANY earlier than 3 years. I'd also be surprised to see Selden OR Embiid leave in any earlier than 2 years. Having said all of that - I would love to get a talented 3-year type PG who might be slotted behind Tharpe to begin with in '14 at least. That's why all of the love for Josh Perkins from me all of the time. He talks like he's not a 4-year player, but he's also not ranked high enough to be an OAD & he's smart enough to realize that.

Otherwise, I'd maybe like a 40 -80th ranked hybrid SG/SF/PF type."sleeper" who can develop over 3-4 years, on the bench first 1-2 - not sure who to identify that as.

Would LOVE to get Class of '15 S. Zimmerman as Embiid's eventual heir apparent from the Class of '15 - reminds one of a more offensively skilled Withey & from Vegas...mainly considering West Coast schools, KU & Michigan from what I've heard so far.

All in all will probably need a massive haul like this past year in '15. Maybe not as MANY players. But could definitely see needing a SG, SF & C, maybe PF...that's all assuming get PG this year. We've been smart & in BIG in Class of '15 for a long time now.

Phil Leister 8 years, 12 months ago

What a long-winded, strange post. TT was a drive first point guard for Bill, and that worked, and it was great. But he's not competing to be a starting PG for the Nets. He's a role player on that team. Role players, especially at PG, don't need to score the ball to get playing time. It helps, sure, but the only way he sees meaningful minutes for the Nets is to distribute the ball.

All your post did was address Tyshawn's time at KU and all the stuff he did for us. What gets you playing time in college is often very different from what gets you playing time in the NBA.

Phil Leister 8 years, 12 months ago

You do know that every single NBA players' trey percentage is from NBA-range 3s right?

He may have shot a good % from trey land, but he also shot a stellar 55% from the line.

Trey Hohman 8 years, 12 months ago

The 2013 Brooklyn Nets Summer League team may go on record as the worst summer league team since inception of summer league besides Mason P. & Tyshawn. Tyshawn literally has no one to pass to other than Mason P. which he did many times. He biggest flaw that I noticed from these last two games was his inability to dribble between double teams whenever he got a TERRIBLE Pick from the centers/ forwards up top. Other than that he looked pretty poised today. 25 points, 7-13 from field, 10-11 from the line, 3 steals, 3 assists, lotta positives. He'll play at least 10-12 minutes a game next season, guaranteed. Rock chalk.

Steve Reigle 8 years, 12 months ago

Thanks for reporting this. I like to keep up with our guys in Summer League.

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