Monday, October 22, 2012

Kansas, Texas football bemoan plight of rebuilding

Texas football coach Mack Brown, left, and Kansas coach Charlie Weis say they're both in rebuilding years, though Brown's Longhorns are 5-2 overall, 2-2 in the Big 12, while the Jayhawks are 1-6 and 0-4.

Texas football coach Mack Brown, left, and Kansas coach Charlie Weis say they're both in rebuilding years, though Brown's Longhorns are 5-2 overall, 2-2 in the Big 12, while the Jayhawks are 1-6 and 0-4.


Kansas University football coach Charlie Weis and Texas coach Mack Brown seem to have different views about what constitutes rebuilding.

Weis, midway through his first season in Lawrence, took over a program that had won just five of its last 31 games and appears to be smack dab in the middle of one of the biggest rebuilding projects in the country.

Despite small signs of progress throughout the season, KU (1-6 overall, 0-4 Big 12) remains in the Big 12 basement and enters this week’s game with Texas — 11 a.m. Saturday at Memorial Stadium — having lost 16 straight conference games.

Brown, on the other hand, is one of the highest-paid head coaches in the country and works at a school that not only is surrounded by five-star talent but also has athletes lining up to wear burnt orange on an annual basis.

Clearly, the two coaches are in different situations. But when Brown was asked how daunting the idea of rebuilding in the Big 12 seemed, he didn’t hesitate to chime in.

“It is very difficult,” Brown said. “But I’m kind of doing it, too. We started over two years ago, and we’re playing 34 freshmen over the last two years.”

Three seasons ago, Brown had Colt McCoy, who, at the time, was the winningest quarterback in NCAA history, taking snaps and a defense that landed nearly a dozen players on NFL rosters. When that’s your starting point, playing 18 freshmen one season and 16 the next surely must seem like starting from scratch.

Weis does not have anywhere near that level of talent, and so far that has made Year One awfully difficult.

“Well, I’m new to the Big 12, and I’m just in the grind of going through this schedule,” Weis said. “Anyone outside of this conference that doesn’t understand the talent in this league is just missing the boat. There’s just tons and tons of talent, and every week you’re dealing with another set of problems.”

Four of the top five quarterbacks on the pass-efficiency chart play in the Big 12, and last week alone there were more touchdowns scored than punts kicked across the conference.

“This is by far the deepest the league has been in quality teams since I’ve been here,” Brown said. “What you’re having to do now, unlike early years, is you’re having to play (tough teams) every week.”

Brown a fan of Weis

At Big 12 media days in July in Dallas, Brown told the Journal-World that he and Weis had a great relationship and he was thrilled to have Weis joining the Big 12. Even though the two old friends are facing each other this weekend, Brown did not back down from that stance Monday morning.

“Charlie to me is one of the great coaches in the country,” Brown said. “What he did with Bill Belichick and the Patriots is just unbelievable. What he did with Tom Brady, I thought he did a great job at Notre Dame, and then you see what he did with the Kansas City Chiefs, turning that offense around just immediately.”

Brown’s view of Weis is not based solely on his past.

“They’re a much better football team than the one we played last year,” Brown said of KU. “They’re well on their way. To hire Dave Campo, to me, was a brilliant choice.”

Jayhawks land D-tackle

Tedarian Johnson, a 6-foot-3, 285-pound defensive tackle from Hinds Community College in Mississippi, orally committed to KU on Monday, according to

Johnson, a juco teammate of KU commitment Andrew Bolton, a 6-3, 280-pound defensive end, becomes the 11th member of the Class of 2013 to pledge his services to the Jayhawks. He finished the 2011 season with 38 tackles and six sacks and currently has six tackles and two sacks in eight games.

KU-Baylor start time set

KU’s Nov. 3 road game against Baylor will kick off at 2:30 p.m., the Big 12 announced Monday. The game will be televised on FSN and will be the Jayhawks’ fourth straight game on the network.


Boouk 9 years, 7 months ago

Speaking of Dave Campo, why does he play so many soft zones like Vic Shealy that surrender 6 yards whenever the offense wants it and are designed to not give up the big play but end up doing so? I hope next year is more man coverage with corners closer to the line of scrimmage.

Tim Quest 9 years, 7 months ago has to do with the talent level. I remember people bemoaning the same thing during the early Bill Young years.

Matt Tait 9 years, 7 months ago

GOOD CALL. Looked that up and forgot to change the wording. It's correct now, as McCoy did hold that distinction for a while. THANKS!

sporty 9 years, 7 months ago

HAHAHA. Yeah, everybody wants a track around their football stadium.

KGphoto 9 years, 7 months ago

The track goes around the field not the stadium, Zoolander.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 7 months ago

KU should drop out of Div-1 football. I cant even bring myself to watch the games.;

Nathan Scholl 9 years, 7 months ago

Fourth paragraph as written by Mr. Tait....................."Brown, on the other hand, is one of the highest-paid head coaches in the country/and works a school/that not only is surrounded by five-star talent/and has athletes lining up to wear burnt orange on an annual basis"...........................................Are you kidding me Tait? Were you drunk when you wrote this? "Works a school?" Who "Works a school?" And "That not only is surrounded by AND has athletes lining up.....???" Massive fail. My nephew who wants to be an English major as a 3rd grader knows how to write better than this grammatically inaccurate paragraph. Perian or Microsoft cut and paste error? Put down the Makers Mark, wait until the next AM when you are sober and write your story. Mack Brown is on his way out, Charlie Weis is the SECOND of three KU coaches to be an obese joke in the KU football program, and you should join them on their way out with this horrible puff piece. Bad journalism. You should be ashamed. KU football is as bad as it gets, but come on man! Put a LITTLE more effort into it! Stop getting hammered with these two coaches and laughing at the money you are stealing. I have read more consistent articles in Mad Magazine.

mojayhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

My, aren't we a bit angry this morning.

jayhawk92 9 years, 7 months ago

It’s easy to be angry when you can hide behind the anonymity of a keyboard. Scholl, I hope nobody merges in front of you on the way to work this morning.

Aaron Carpenter 9 years, 7 months ago

Wow….I would much rather take a slight Tait miscue than read this snark BS. I'm sure proud of you for pointing this out to all of us, but apparently you are already quite proud of yourself.

James Kiernan 9 years, 7 months ago

Calm down. Tait is one of the better things the LJW has going for it right now. He is a good writer who puts a ton of work into covering the football team. Work on your own writing skills before you throw Matt under the bus. Besides if an article has a mistake it should not make it off the editor's desk before it goes to print/viral. So why don't you write a letter to the Editor and throw your temper tantrum to them.

NebraskaJayhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

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Jeff Coffman 9 years, 7 months ago

You lost all credibility when you stated that you read Mad Mgazine.

Doug Roberts 9 years, 7 months ago

YOU sir, are the one who needs to put down the bottle.

KGphoto 9 years, 7 months ago

Hahahaaa! WOW!! You should probably stop posting at 2:30 in the morning. Ask any coach in America, nothing good happens after midnight. Actually Gill will tell you 10pm, for what it's worth.

Jeremy Bolinger 9 years, 7 months ago

To rebuild, you have to be built. I don't think we were ever built under Mangino. Discount 2007-2008, and we made it to a few crappy bowls. However, I'd take those crappy bowls over what we have now.

On a side note, Mack Brown is stealing paychecks from UT. This guy has tons and tons of talent that he does absolutely nothing with. If I was a UT fan, I'd be calling for his head.

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

Coach Brown will be talking extra sweetly about opposing coaches for the remainder of this season.

Should Texas decide to buy out his overpaid, under-talented contract Ol' Mack might want to keep his job options open.

Martin Rosenblum 9 years, 7 months ago

Charlie dressed in black and blue in the photo. and blue, anybody want to pick up on that?

craigers 9 years, 7 months ago

Charlie is in black because it is slimming.

Ron Prichard 9 years, 7 months ago

Some random thoughts...

Mack Brown annually does less with more talent than any other coach in the country. Yes, he won a NC, but the talent he had on that team made it almost impossible not to win. Could you imagine Snyder at Texas coaching that talent? He would be unstoppable.

If KU can run on Texas and can consistentlly stop the run, then we may be able to pull off the upset this weekend. It's okay if we give up runs of 10-15 every now and then, but we can't consistently give up 4-7 yards each time they run. I remember last year I don't think Texas threw a pass on us in the second half. We knew what they were going to do and they did it anyway. I hope Campo and Weis have an answer for that. If so, we stand a chance of staying in this one.

We just need our offense to put up about 24 points and move the ball somewhat consistently on other drives even if they don't score to be in this game.

That said, if KU did pull the upset, the arrogance at UT wouldn't let Mack Brown come back for another year. He would be gone.

Jeff Coffman 9 years, 7 months ago

There is no "But" after a national championship.

Bear86 9 years, 7 months ago

I'm sorry but your title of Texas having to rebuild is ridiculous. Texas may have had a down year or 2 but let's not confuse the re-build with KU's predicament. The Jayhawks look like a D2 team compared to all the conference teams. The Football program will need many, many years to get competitive. Hope I'm proven wrong but it's pathetic KU goes through this every 5-10 years. F-Texas

Gary Wirsig 9 years, 7 months ago

I will be there Saturday, rooting for my Hawks, but after last week, I have a sinking feeling about this game too, regardless of UT's struggles. All that said - Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

JayHok 9 years, 7 months ago

Are there any research programs at KSU dedicated to steroids, regarding cattle and other species. Still trying to figure out how KSU's summer strength program gets a bunch of 2 and 3 stars pushing other teams around for 4 quarters, while their edge players and linebackers run around like jackrabbits without getting tired the entire game. I'm sure all programs have run into this unethical problem at some point in time, which surely, if it exists at KSU, Snyder is not aware of. His values are too solid to support such a thing, I firmly believe that. Heck in the late 80's and early 90's, even players at Washburn were pushing the roids behind the scenes. During the WV game, I noticed a box of Mike and Ike's in the KSU trainer's briefcase. An interesting sidenote related to this------how can KSU have ZERO injuries through seven games? Is this even possible?

I swear every time I see Klein run in the open field I worry about him as a 6'5" guy getting blasted. Seems risky for Snyder to use him all the time in the 4th quarter, but somehow no one ever seems to actually hit him and somehow KSU's line is immune to getting tired or injured.

If it's Mike and Ike's and not steroids, maybe all big 12 teams need to start using them.

Bee Bee 9 years, 7 months ago

K State wins because they have a hell of a coach and THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO WIN. Not just that, THEY DO WHAT IT TAKES TO WIN. They dont have 5 star players all over the field. THEY HAVE B*LLS AND WANT TO WIN! KU players are shrinking violets compared to KSU players. KU and KSU both have mainly 2,3, and some 4 star recruits. Desire to win and the willingness to do what it takes TO WIN IS THE DIFFERENCE!

Jeremy Bolinger 9 years, 7 months ago

Culture is completely different with both programs. One is used to winning, and the other is used to losing. Until we get a coach to change the culture, we will continue to be a bottom feeder.

Mangino could only take us so far, but hiring Gill killed anything and everything that Mangino ever did for Kansas. I fear Weis is no different

Jeff Coffman 9 years, 7 months ago

KSU has lost more football games than any other college except Indiana.

texashawk10 9 years, 7 months ago

Northwestern has more losses than KSU as well.

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 7 months ago

I'll give Mack Brown a little more credit since he would have won a national title in '09 if not held out of it by the voters, and again in '10 if not for his 4 year starting QB going down early. '09 is where he really got screwed though. Not saying he's a great coach by any means, national titles come a lot easier for CFB royalty than CBB royalty 'cause 2 of them are pitted each year and just have to play one game, or even worse before that you just had to win your bowl and it wasn't necessarily against the supposed 2nd best team.

ku_foaf 9 years, 6 months ago

That was a hard situation in '09. Texas Beat OU, Tech beat Texas, OU beat Tech. It came down the counting where they stood in the BCS polls as the tie breaker! I think they may have changed that rule, but it is hard to find a fair way to do it. Either way, a team was going to a championship game with one loss, and the team that beat them was going to feel it wasn't fair. The victory margins probably should decide it. At least that occurred on the field!

Bee Bee 9 years, 7 months ago

When is KU football going to start "rebuilding?" Haven't seen any evidence of it yet.

KGphoto 9 years, 7 months ago

We rebuild all the time. Where have you been? We rebuild the toilets. We rebuild luxury seating. We rebuild the concessions. We rebuild the press box. Sheesh, next you'll want to take the track out and rebuild the seating to reach the lowered field so recruits will want to come and we can start rebuilding the football tea... Ohhhhhh. I get it now.

dhinkansas 9 years, 7 months ago

There's no excuse for Brown to be "rebuilding" with the resources Texas has and spends. I don't know what the Texas fans think of Brown and if they are thinking of a change, but it seems they should be a top 7 program every year instead of losing 63-21 to OU and giving up 50 to Baylor.

As for whatever Mangino built, the program was moving forward. Flip to 2012 and the OU game on tv....I hate to say it but it truly looked like a high school team on the field with college boys. I think there is improvement this year though. Kudos to the guys on the field playing hard for Coach Weis.

texashawk10 9 years, 7 months ago

Based on the opinion of most UT alum down here, very few people would be sad if Mack Brown was forced into retirement after this year.

JayHok 9 years, 7 months ago

Interesting Danno. I didn't know the rest of the Big 12 teams didn't want to win, but KSU does. And that's the difference. Thanks. We'll have to fax this to Coach Weis ASAP and we can at least finish 2nd in the near future simply because we "want to win."

A little tongue and cheek on my part today so don't take me too seriously. The other thing I know Snyder does is he drills the heck out of his premier linemen on four different stations, simple simple principles and mechanics. If their muscle memory can store these drills during games, their options for successful plays goes way up. Snyder has always relied on first down plays to really mess with the opposition. He messes with opposing Defensive coordinators when the best move by an opposing defense would really be a few all out blitzes early in the game since KSU (this year so far) tends to score more often than not. Snyder nearly never throws on first down. But if Klein is running with the ball on first down on that cheesy lookin option they run, a smart defensive coordinator would have one man blow up Klein and another the running back. That's the way an SEC defense would handle the ridiclous ease of what Klein does. If he has the ball hit him hard, a coach would say, make him fumble. Logic follows that he pitches as soon as he hits but Snyder takes that play out of his playbook if he sees a defense in the big 12 will actually hit like the SEC and NFL defenses do.

Somehow so far this year Klein has been given a free pass. Will be interesting to see what defensive shifts will be made towards Klein for the next 5 games in the first quarter.

hucking_fawks_rock 9 years, 7 months ago

I stole this from a poster, but I thought it was worth a post on this board. KU stands a chance this weekend if we can put the ball in the end zone a few times, and our defense plays like it did against OSU and TCU. This compares UT's defense this year to KU's historically bad defense in 2011:

Texas 2012-rank (KU 2011-rank) Rush defense: 216 y/g-107th (239 y/g-117) Total defense: 428 y/g-107 (516 y/g-120) Scoring defense: 35 ppg (43 ppg-120) Passing defense: 256 ypg (277 y/g-110)

Jeff Coffman 9 years, 7 months ago

Interesting...I guess they just have a little bit of offense this year.

I do think we can hang with them, it's just whether or not we can pull some magic at the end. We've been close a couple of times, but close isn't cutting it.

I still like our chances against ISU and BU more.

However, with a bounce here or there and a couple of steady runs, who knows what will happen.

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