Oklahoma defeats Kansas, 52-7

  • 6:05 p.m., Oct. 20, 2012
  • Oklahoma Memorial Stadium, Norman, OK

Saturday, October 20, 2012

Playing two quarterbacks doubles the troubles for KU football in 52-7 loss to Oklahoma

Kansas quarterback Dayne Crist unsnaps his helmet as he comes off the field during the second quarter on Saturday, Oct. 20, 2012 at Memorial Stadium in Norman.

Kansas quarterback Dayne Crist unsnaps his helmet as he comes off the field during the second quarter on Saturday, Oct. 20, 2012 at Memorial Stadium in Norman.


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KU coach Charlie Weis talks following 52-7 loss to Oklahoma

Kansas football coach Charlie Weis talks following KU's 52-7 loss to Oklahoma on Oct. 20, 2012.

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KU vs. Oklahoma

— If you had to pick one series to recap the failed experiment that was Kansas University's two-quarterback approach on Saturday night against No. 10 Oklahoma, the only option came late in the first quarter of the Sooners' 52-7 domination of the Jayhawks at Gaylord Family - Oklahoma Memorial Stadium.

Trailing 10-0, KU was gifted with early life after OU's Justin Brown fumbled a punt around his own 10-yard line with 1:46 to play in the first quarter. Credit Josh Ford with the hit, Victor Simmons with the recovery and KU quarterbacks Michael Cummings and Dayne Crist for messing up the golden opportunity.

Although Cummings, a red-shirt freshman and the near-hero of last week's close-call loss to Oklahoma State, started and played fairly well early on, both guys were to blame for blowing KU's best chance to stay in the game.

On first down, Crist threw badly behind a wide-open Tre' Parmalee in the flat on what looked to be an easy touchdown. On came Cummings.

On second down, Cummings lobbed an ill-advised pass to Kale Pick into triple-coverage. Had it not been for a solid defensive play by Pick, the toss likely would have been intercepted.

On third down, it was back to Crist, who fled from the pocket, spun around until he coughed up the football and laid face-down on the Memorial Stadium turf in front of 84,532 OU fans as defensive tackle Casey Walker rumbled with the fumble 45 yards to the Kansas 28-yard line.

"I wasn't looking to play musical quarterbacks," Weis said of the failed series that summed up KU's rough night. "It was just that three-play sequence fit the guys who had practiced those plays from that field position."

Weis said KU's gameplan centered on Cummings handling the "bunched up" plays and Crist handling the "opened up" plays.

"There were two totally separate sets of things we were doing," he said. "On every one of those (Cummings) plays there's a potential quarterback run and that's certainly not what we want Dayne to be doing."

As the game went on, it mattered little who took the snaps for KU or what he did with them. The Sooners were simply too much in all aspects.

After settling for a 37-yard Mike Hunnicutt field goal on its opening drive, OU scored six consecutive touchdowns, and watched seven different players score its seven touchdowns.

Kenny Stills caught a 44-yard touchdown pass. Wichita native, Blake Bell, "The Belldozer," plowed in for a one-yard TD run. Tailback Damien Williams scored from four yards out. And Sterling Shepard (nine yards) and Trey Millard (25) caught touchdowns from OU quarterback Landry Jones, who finished 19-of-28 for 291 yards and three touchdowns.

"It was all just bombs away," Weis said of the first half in which the Sooners rolled to 286 yards, 38 points and five straight touchdowns. "The Catch-22 when you get Landry is you blitz him and he gets one-on-one and he has a chance of exposing you. You sit back and you rush just four, he has more time and has a chance of exposing you."

Of course, it was not just bizarre offense or bad defense that cost the Jayhawks in this one. KU's special teams - both for and against - struggled throughout the night.

"I mean, this isn't Barry Sanders out there that we're talking about now," Weis said while critiquing his special teams. "The problem I have is we played a lot of first- and second-teamers on special teams."

The 90-yard punt return touchdown by Brown - remember him? - in the first half and 100-yard kickoff return touchdown by Roy Finch to open the second half marked the first time in OU history that the Sooners had returned a punt and kickoff all the way in the same game.

Even for the most optimistic KU fans, such a stat had an all-too-familiar and troublesome ring to it.

"It kind of reminded me of Texas A&M; last year," said McDougald, comparing Saturday's loss to the 61-7 embarrassment at A&M; in 2011. "The only difference is, in that game, we didn't turn it around in the second half, they just kept scoring and scoring and scoring."

That Jayhawks' second-half success was something Weis talked a lot about following the game. But it wasn't as if he was trying to spin it that the Jayhawks deserved a pat on the back for hanging tougher in the final two quarters, more that he saw it as a positive sign that his team answered the only challenge left for them after trailing 38-0 at the half.

"At halftime, it wasn't about trying to win the game," Weis said. "At halftime, it was about, 'Let's see what you got in ya.' At least they answered that question, but the game was decided in the first half, not the second half."

The five Jayhawks made available to the media following Saturday's loss all carried the same look on their faces and pushed the same words across their lips.

"I just don't know," McDougald said. "It just hurts and we just gotta get better."

Added KU tailback James Sims, who ran for 102 yards on 28 carries and scored KU's only touchdown: "Congrats to Oklahoma, they came out and played and we didn't show up at all."

As for Cummings, who finished 10-of-21 for 111 yards and ran 12 times for 21 yards, even though he made his first career start, he seemed like an old veteran of talking about these types of losses.

"Frustration, yes," Cummings said. "Because we expected to come out here and put on a better performance and any competitor is gonna be frustrated with what we put out there."


Robert Brock 9 years, 11 months ago

The Hawks looked like they just wanted to get out of that place.

Geekinout 9 years, 11 months ago

I'm beginning to question C.W. as being the right fit, seems like he has no fight or fire left to take on such a task. It's beginning to show by how he seems lifeless on the sidelines, but what's new?

gorilla10 9 years, 11 months ago

You loser. Weis walked into this and is trying to get us don't know jack about football if you think Weis is at fault. Figure it out...this was

Ben Kliewer 9 years, 11 months ago

Now come on guys, he's right. The best way to solve our problem is to fire every coach who comes in to Lawrence and doesn't produce a winning season after being here for less than a year.

Jarod DeLozier 9 years, 11 months ago

Remember, Coach Mangino went 2-10 his first year.

phoggydrive 9 years, 11 months ago

Good Lord, our team has shown more heart and fight in the 7 games this year then the last two years combined. What did you expect, a magical turn around? These things take time, a culture change, and a better stocked pantry.

Andy Godwin 9 years, 11 months ago

Agreed. Although there are no moral victories, this year's version with limited talent is competing.

vd 9 years, 11 months ago

Last year's team gets beat 50-7 and they showed no competiveness. This year's team gets beat 72-3 and they are battling. Gill doesn't move on the sideline, he has no passion. Weis doesn't move on the sideline, and he has a fire.

Armen Kurdian 9 years, 11 months ago

Glen Mason got blown out several times in his first year too. TG's attitude was just too lackadaisical, more friendly and fatherly it seemed. We definitely have a talent deficiency, though I know these guys really are playing their best. You can't blame CW for the cluster when we had the ball deep in OU's territory at the end of the 1st quarter. Just so long as they don't just lay down and give up. Keep fighting 'Hawks, never say die.

vd 9 years, 11 months ago

What is this based on??????????????

TenaciousD 9 years, 11 months ago

Not having players is a lame excuse. The players are fine. The head coaching is terrible. Weis has never shown he can be effective as a head coach. He can only appear to be a good position coach when he is behind a legend head coach (Parcells and Belichick).

The sad thing is Gill would have this team rolling about now. He would have hired a new DC after the early season retirement of Torbush and we would be on our way.

Steve Reigle 9 years, 11 months ago

I will assume that's an attempt at humor. A weak attempt, but an attempt nonetheless.

Steve Reigle 9 years, 11 months ago

Glen Mason's first KU season: 1-10

Mark Mangino's first KU season: 2-10

Turnarounds take time. As small as it seems at this time, there definitely is progress being made. The problem right now is we fans have not enough patience.

texashawk10 9 years, 11 months ago

At least the volleyball team won again tonight.

Also Roll Tide, Go Ducks, and Go Gators!! Anything to keep KSU out of the title game because I don't see who their losing to at this point. Texas Tech is probably the best team left on their schedule but that game's in Manhattan.

bad_dog 9 years, 11 months ago

It's the opposite of the "Peter Principle". Gill has merely descended to the level of his competence.

Dirk Medema 9 years, 11 months ago

They had less than 100 yds more O than us?

LeadFarmer 9 years, 11 months ago

Can't say I'm surprised. This game shouldn't have even been covered, because I don't think anyone expected this to be a game. Players and coaches should use this as an extra practice and prepare for next weekend. But then again, maybe they should use that one as a practice as well.

flyingfinn 9 years, 11 months ago

The QB play is simply horrible . and Cummings is NOT the answer, I have never seen two QBs that can not throw a decent pass, hopefully Heaps can do a better job than what we have seen this year. The running game remains a hope for the future, but you can not run every play and expect to win, you have to find someone who can complete passes to people that are open.Am not blaming this on CW but he needs to find someone who can throw a pass and if it is not Heaps then recruit someone.

AirCapJay 9 years, 11 months ago

This is only the second game Cummings has played. If he had been in every game, he would be sharper.

Cummings is a lot better with his feet and his arm is strong. He should be our QB for the rest of this year.

David Leathers 9 years, 11 months ago

"If he had been in every game, he would be sharper."

Using that logic, Dayne Crist should be a Heisman candidate by now.

PS- Todd Reesing didn't even need a full game to show his skillset.

actorman 9 years, 11 months ago

Don't forget that we also apparently have no one who can kick a field goal. (I say "apparently" because the new guy (I forget his name now) hasn't had a real chance yet to show us what he can do.)

Not having a decent QB or kicker is a deadly combination when your offense is mediocre to begin with.

BrianCh 9 years, 11 months ago

Alternating quarterbacks EVERY PLAY??? That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. How in the world can you ever have any continuity when the players keep hearing a different guy barking out the signals?

I've heard of alternating quarterbacks every SERIES, which has occasionally resulted in success (i.e. 70's Dallas Cowboys), but almost every coach believes that you need to pick ONE guy and stand behind him, at least for a while.

Cora Smith 9 years, 11 months ago

This can not be done overnite. It took Mangino years to get the right talent. We need an immediate infusion of 3 star and a few 4 star recruits. The fact that K State looks like it is on a national championship hunt hurts our instate recruiting. Watching Oklahoma use Kansas kids really sucks. (Jadyn Bird, Blake Bell "Belldozer". Plus there are other Kansas kids on their roster.

BringBackMark 9 years, 11 months ago

The Crist pass near the end of the first quarter pretty much sums up this season. That's a play that a mediocre high school quarterback makes 90 percent of the time. This season has been killed by momentum changing missed chances on offense and missed assignments on defense.

Zenger needs to seriously assess this program. If CW can only win with players that fit his system we're in deep trouble. This is KU. We'll get 3 star players on average (at best). We need to develop those players and coach to their abilities, a la Bill Snyder.

Lastly, I hear the Chief's had scouts at the game to look at Crist........

Mike Barnhart 9 years, 11 months ago

Snyders guys DO fit his system. Question is this; is CW's system the right one?

jhox 9 years, 11 months ago

I just don't get the Baty redshirt. I say play him. He's going to be behind Heaps the next two years and we have guys like Cozart and Darling coming in behind him. There is no guarantee he will ever win the QB job down the road. By all accounts Baty is mobile and can pass and he was a proven winner on the Juco level. I realize this is the Big 12, not juco, but the QB position is holding us back. We have a great running attack even without a QB to keep defenses honest. Our O line is not very good at pass blocking so we need a mobile QB, and Cummings hasn't shown me that he can read defenses or pass accurately enough yet to succeed at this level.

We have a few winnable games the second half of the conference season. Why not try to win a couple of those games and get some momentum for recruiting, and for heading into next season on a positive note? If Baty plays and does well what is the harm of a little healthy competition for the starting job next year?

I like and respect Dane Crist, he seems like a good leader and an outstanding young man, but it's time to give up on him as our QB. I kept hoping he would come around but that's not going to happen. It's time to look to the future.

bjejayhawk69 9 years, 11 months ago

I agree QB is the Achilles heel and has been all year. Parts of the team play well only to be undone by simply not making a good throw. Not making the simple passes kills momentum which affects the whole team. QB is the most important position at all levels of football.

I say give a long look at Baty as well. Crist should almost sit the rest of the year. Immobile and inaccurate - not a good combo for a college QB and afraid to get hit. And he is not coming back next year.

Weis needs time. One thing he needs to abandon is the "pro style offense". Doesn't work in the big 12.

Ashwin Rao 9 years, 11 months ago

I agree with some of the comments. 1) Crist got a lot of leash earlier in the season, but Cummings is being yanked around like anything. Give him more time... even though he is not the answer to the problems, he can do better with a rhythm going. 2) Try out Baty... You can't do worse than now. As a poster said, adding a year won't help him, but giving him some experience this year will be good for the program, so next year, there will be a real competition. 3) This game "was not" a good litmus test. OU is far superior to us, and they would have toyed with us anyway... I would use the next few games to have an opinion on the non-Crist QBs (Already have a negative opinion on Crist!) While this is being figured out, will be glued to the computer here in Dayton OH! RCJH!

Kevin Crook 9 years, 11 months ago

There is no achilles heal for KU, we are bad everywhere. I love how our kids fight, but they are not a savvy or smart football group of kids. We need better, more experienced players. We need a program where upper classmen who have been together are playing, and the young guys come in and stand on the sideline and watch. We are so far from that it is sad. Its obvious Mangino left the cupboards bare as hell and Gill didn't bring in enough players to make a difference. But yes, our quarterback play is the worst in the nation for sure.

Rivethead 9 years, 11 months ago

Yeah, Mangino sure did leave the cupboards bare..... Four-star Toben Operum Four-star Bradley McDougald Three-star James Sims Three-star Lubbock Smith Four-star Pinz Kande Three star Kale Pick

Yup none of those kids has ANY talent. You're exactly right.

Andy Godwin 9 years, 11 months ago

Special teams are right up there for the worst in the nation.

manginodrh00lz 9 years, 11 months ago

Special teams' problems can be quickly identified....Clint Bowen. Anyone remember his work as DC under Mangino?

Rivethead 9 years, 11 months ago

Yes. When Coach Bowen was coach of the ST in 2004-2007 we had fantastic special teams. Thanks for the reminder.

LeadFarmer 9 years, 11 months ago

Clint Bowen = 2 punt returns for a TD; blown coverage resulting in long TD passes; 25 yard punts; 35 yard kickoffs

Dan Harris 9 years, 11 months ago

Bowen IS resposible for punt and kickoff coverages as well of the d-backs. He is not responsible for 25 yard punts, pushed or pulled fg kicks etc... just as Powlus is not responsible for Crists throwing the ball into the dirt or over throwing wide open receivers.

Dustin Hothan 9 years, 11 months ago

We have talent on offense, but no QB..makes all the difference. Crist shouldn't see the field the rest of the season. On defense we have a few play-makers but overall are lacking talent. Nobody on the D-line can create any pressure on opposing QB's...kind of a problem in the Big 12. Time to actually recruit!

notjustbread 9 years, 11 months ago

No mention of the officiating...not that the 5 blown calls would have even made us competitive, but wow...frustrating.

Ashwin Rao 9 years, 11 months ago

Interesting to note that KU and UK are so much alike (and still hate each other!)... They both went to the finals in BB, and both have only won one game this year in FB!

Jayhawks1985 9 years, 11 months ago

Well I was one of the few cheering Crist on. I thought he would be able to turn things around. It's sad to see somebody that was suppose to have so much talent fail. He might not have had the right coaches around him to keep him going and he lost his mojo.

You can be a coach with the best strategies in the world but if you can bring out the best in your players you can't coach.

I don't know how Synder does it but he's got that team believing in themselves. Look what that loss did to West Virginia. I didn't think Synder had a bunch of 4and 5 star players but his practice sessions must include motivational speeches.

Ryan Woods 9 years, 11 months ago

It's called Juco transfers, and recruiting great Kansas athletes. Which Weis has already started.

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 11 months ago

I didn't get / have to see one play of this one. I was throwing my money away in a casino.

Looks like I made the right choice.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 11 months ago

Hey, LJW .. let's shift our focus to basketball about now. We have a football team that would struggle to be .500 in D-II ball. Anaylzing the matchups for the Emporia St. exhibition has to be more exciting.

How about some "reports from practice" like there are in football? Whatever.

Basketball info please.

Jeremy Hays 9 years, 11 months ago


if you don't like it don't read it!!!!!

If you don't support all sports get the h*** off the boards then!!

I'm tired of "KU Fans" (the most loosely termed phrase I can say) who say wait til basketball season or 3 weeks until basketball. If you don't like it don't watch or don't read articles or just STFU. I understand it is frustrating but many of you who say those things are the 1st ones on here when things are good saying how you love what ever one has done (ala 2007). I want more from our team however I also know that minus a miraculous QB progress, KU is in for some long games. they are missing WRs and they are missing solid QB play. I love the way the defense plays but if you can't pressure the other offense with scoring of your own. Your defense will eventually wear down.

I think and like our OC which is also our HC. I think he has called some good games. I just don't know if the 2 QB system works and know that neither one of them is very good RIGHT NOW... Hopefully that changes.

vd 9 years, 11 months ago

The LJW already does 5 articles of BB for 1 FB article. You must have your head up your ash.

gorilla10 9 years, 11 months ago

I can only pray that jake heaps isn't another Crist.....Weis built Crist up so much before the season started that I thought he would walk in here And give us solid qb play.....Webb was better than he has been. PLEASE, be good Heaps!

Yolanda Gay 9 years, 11 months ago

I'm trying to figure out why Weis thought Crist was so good. If he can't judge talent better than that.... It's obvious Crist is not a D 1 level QB.

At the beginning of the year, the way Weis was talking about the players he bought in that would help the program. I was so looking forward to the football season.

I too am worried now about Heaps' talent and ability to play at this level. I mean Weis said how great this guy was too.

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