Sunday, October 14, 2012

After festivities, Jayhawks get down to business

Kansas head coach Bill Self laughs during a video skit showing his home run during the Celebrity All-Star Game.

Kansas head coach Bill Self laughs during a video skit showing his home run during the Celebrity All-Star Game.


Kansas University’s basketball players were back on the court — for the first real practice of the 2012-13 season — a mere 13 hours after Friday’s festive Late Night in the Phog.

A few high school basketball recruits and their parents gathered with the Jayhawks at 11:30 a.m. Saturday in the team’s practice facility, in stark contrast to the 16,300 who jammed Allen Fieldhouse on Friday night.

“I’d give it a ‘B,’” KU coach Bill Self said of Saturday’s two-hour session. “We had a good day, a good, spirited workout. They were alert, tried real hard, were enthusiastic like all first practices should be. We got a few things done, but, really, the real practices will begin after the weekend is over.”

Following practice, Self headed over to Memorial Stadium for Saturday’s rain-soaked KU-Oklahoma State football game.

He spent some time in the Jayhawk Network radio booth, helping fill air time during an hour-plus rain and lightning delay.

“I thought our new guys looked OK, (showed) glimpses of being pretty good and athletic, ” Self said, reflecting on a 20-minute scrimmage at Late Night, 2012. “It’s not real ball, but I do think it was good to see how some of the guys react. It’s amazing to me how tired you get when you have adrenaline and all that kind of stuff. It’s a different kind of conditioning when the lights are on and people are out there.

“They did fine, but that didn’t matter. Nobody will ever look at film or think twice about it.”

The newcomers did have some positive moments during the scrimmage:

  • Perry Ellis, a 6-foot-8, 225-pound forward out of Wichita Heights, showed effective post moves in scoring six points off 3-of-5 shooting with three rebounds.

  • Andrew White, a 6-6 guard from Richmond, Va., missed four of five shots, but completed a lob pass to red-shirt freshman Ben McLemore for a slam dunk. McLemore, a 6-5 guard from St. Louis, hit three of eight shots, good for six points.

  • Rio Adams, a 6-3 guard from Seattle, hit a three-pointer from the corner and also had a no-look pass to Jeff Withey for a slam dunk.

  • Jamari Traylor, a 6-8, 220-pound red-shirt freshman forward from Chicago, scored three inside hoops in five tries with three rebounds.

  • Landen Lucas, a 6-10, 240-pound forward from Portland, was 2-for-2 from the field with two rebounds and a free throw in two tries.

  • Walk-on Evan Manning of Lawrence had a rebound and assist with his dad, Tulsa head coach Danny Manning, in attendance. Walk-on Tyler Self, also of Lawrence, had a rebound playing for his dad on the sideline and his mom and sister in the stands.

“Evan is going to be a good basketball player. He’s going to be a nice player here,” Self said. “And Tyler, I love being around him on a daily basis. He’ll be a great teammate.

“The guys on scholarship, whether it be Anrio, Landen ... these guys are talented. I really think Andrew White has a chance to be our sixth, seventh, eighth man this year as a freshman. Perry Ellis obviously has a chance to play all the minutes he wants, just stay aggressive and get aggressive.

“Jamari is coming every day, getting better every day. He’s just never really played ball (until late in high school career). Of course, Ben is so talented and gifted. He’s just figuring it out. Zach (Peters) is nicked up (out four to six weeks because of rotator cuff injury). He was as good a freshman performer as we had in Europe (in August). We hope to get him back relatively soon. It’s a good group that I think over time people will look back and say, ‘Hey that was a heck of a recruiting class.’’’

Self, like the fans, was interested in watching his freshmen react to a new experience at Late Night.

“I think it (dancing at Late Night) is something they all kind of dread and think they can’t do it,” Self said. “Little things like that. Even though it’s so minor, I’ve learned it is part of the growing-up process, getting comfortable and confidence. I’d have never thought Perry Ellis could do that. He’s so quiet and everything. I think every time you get up to speak in front of a class or be on stage ... I think it does wonders for your confidence so you can handle things better moving forward.”

KU will practice regularly the next few weeks and open the two-game exhibition season against Emporia State at 7 p.m., Oct. 30, in Allen.


Jay Dogger 9 years, 7 months ago

Has Selden committed yet?

Can't wait 'til the 30th!

Miguel Colón 9 years, 7 months ago

I really want all the guys that came to Late Night and Roddy Peters, dont know who we will get.

KansasComet 9 years, 7 months ago

I am not the least bit concerned about recruiting. Coach Self has been here about a decade now and has yet to put out an inferior product. Not once have I worried about making the NCAA Tournament. Last year's team proved that sometimes less is more. It appears to me that Coach Self enjoys recruiting and developing Student Athletes. I enjoy watching players develop from their Freshman Year, to their Junior and Senior Years before they depart the program. Go Jayhawks!

hawk316 9 years, 7 months ago

Well said, Comet, and I'm with you. Coach Self does such a great job each and every year, regardless of how others rate his recruiting class. He seems to truly enjoy the process of developing these young athletes, and like you, I greatly enjoy that development unfold before our eyes.

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

• Evan = Brady 2.0; local sleeper; be kind.

• "Jamari is coming every day, getting better every day. He’s just never really played ball (until late in high school career)." --Self on JTray

He's going to have to play some cause Peters is out, but he's not ready and can't score. Perry may be playing 38 every night, till Peters returns, if he does.

• Traylor gained an inch yesterday and 5 pounds today. This growth spurt is happening after Peters tore a cuff. Self is masking here. No muscle on the bench so he's playing the rubber tank decoy game here.

• "We hope to get him back relatively soon." --Self on Peters

Coach speak for total uncertainty and insight that in the XTReme Era, no bruiser means getting sand kicked in your face regularly.

• "Andrew White has a chance to be our sixth, seventh, eighth man..." --Self

Translation: I'm not taking EJ out unless he catches Ebola virus, and Andrew shoots the trey a LEEEEEETLE better than Tharpe from the 2, or 3.


A. Self likes the hand, but knows with out Peters they will get muscled out of every gym in America.

B. Ellis is the only points in the paint he's got and he's likely to struggle once the bruising starts.

Inference: Withey may as well wear body armor and a diving helmet, because the scouting report read the same every night. Push Withey off the blocks and beat him up every where he goes, because they've got no muscle to stop us.


Ben Simonett 9 years, 7 months ago

"The guys on scholarship, whether it be Anrio, Landen ... these guys are talented."

" It’s a good group that I think over time people will look back and say, ‘Hey that was a heck of a recruiting class

you know how you can tell recruiting is becoming a concern? When the coach starts talking about recruiting more often then he used to.

Statements like that never had to be uttered for Self's recruiting classes in his early tenure. It was widely excepted the guys coming in were talented. Nobody ever had to wait a couple years in order to look back and judge those classes success. those classes we great immediately.

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

Part 1


We agree recruiting is not as good as it should be, given that Self is now obviously the best coach in the country with the 84% W&L for 10 years, 9-10 straight titles, a runner up, and a ring, plus a stunning run of NBA draft choices lately, without ever really having definitively had the most talented roster, and without ever having gotten as many of the OADs as the other Top Programs have landed through out Self's tenure at KU.

We probably agree that Cal has Nike/Converse and WWW's agency conveyor system giving him an insurmountable edge on talent diversion right now over Self's Adidas and agency conveyor (can't recall the name of that org right now).

And we probably agree with the hypothetical speculation that the ShoeCo-Summer Game-Agency Complex is possibly (but by no means certainly) trying to do to Self what was reputedly done to Norm Roberts at St. Johns and what I increasingly suspect was done to Billy Gillispie at UK (and probably again at TTech for daring to come back). The talent valve appears to be being turned to irrigate other programs.

And we probably both agree that given the reputed mammoth asymmetry of influence of Cal's axis of alliance in the Shoeco-Summer Game-Agency Complex over Self's axis of alliance in the same Complex that Self has been doing an exceptional job of overcoming that asymmetry to land as much talent as he has.

But I believe I differ with you on the implications of Self talking up his recruiting class.

Self undertstands what the US Military has come to understand; that in a media rich age, every war has a virtual theater and a real theater of operations. Self understands that in the digital media age with its 24/7/12 saturation of coverage of recruiting and games, and talking head interviews, and talking head commentators agenda grinding, and possible spread massaging hyping, that he can never wait to fight any battle in the real theater. He has to take on a battle, especially those that are brought to him, via the media first, then through reality.

Think of media today as the equivalent of aerial surpremacy as it used to be thought of before the vogue of full spectrum warfare.

You always have to take the high ground no matter whether the problem is perception, or reality, because if you don't, a perceived problem can evolve into a real one.

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

Erratum: Self apparently knows what the US Military knows...

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

Erratum Redeux:

Oops. I meant Self apparently understands what the US military understands....


jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

Therefore, it would not matter whether there were a real recruiting deficit taking shape as a product of a recruiting game space made hostile by the asymmetries in the ShoeCo-Summer Game-Agency Complex mentioned above, or just a collective hallucination aka a kind of mob hysteria forming, regarding the level of his recruiting.

Self has to have witnessed how easy it was to turn up the mob hysteria nob against Turner Gill and it had to have made real what he had suspected to be true all along; that when a coach gets in any kind of trouble the coach is quickly caught up in a full spectrum battle in which all forms of media can and will eventually be brought to bear on his undoing, if he does not manage them pre-emptively and effectively.

(Note: Now does everyone understand why Bob Knight, the famed non-cheater in a Big Ten he claimed was full of cheaters, constantly and intentionally kept locking horns with the media, kept trying to shame them into covering the cheating, which they never did, and kept the rancor up even though it was very bad for his Q rating? He knew he was in danger for playing fair. He knew he had no allies. He decided he had to rough the media up and keep it on its heels, calling him an ogur, rather than actively investigating him. It was classic media counter strategy. Put the media on trial to cancel the message of the media that Knight was on trial. I may not have like Bob Knight. But he was no dummy about these things.)

Self would be correct to do exactly what he is doing (he is so smooth and has lots of allies and so does not need to put the media on trial...yet), whether the recruiting problem is real or imaginary. He would be right IMHO to take it on first subtly through the media, then through the reality of recruiting moves both aimed at attracting players, and working with relevant institutions to reduce the advantage that Cal and his axis of alliances in the Complex currently appear to hold.

And having seen what was apparently done to his pals, Norm Stewart, and then Billy Gillispie, he would be a damned fool not to figure he was possibly on the opponent's target list, too. Just a damned fool. And Self has shown nary a sign of being a damned fool.

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

Part 3

Still, image management is a really tricky part of public life in this media enriched digital age.

Every issue has a virtual and real dimension.

A real problem quickly becomes a virtual problem.

And a virtual problem lacking any reality at all, can become a real problem, unless handled deftly.

There is no option, if one decides an issue threatens to destabilize one's mission, to take it on pre-emptively through the virtual first, then through the real.

This is why there is so much build up to each of these regime change wars, for example. The virtual battle field takes considerable time to shape to favorable conditions before operations--overt, or covert--in the real are undertaken. Months and months of talking heads that were formerly high ranking military and intel officials have to bang the talking points into the public's heads. The words terrorist, radical, and Islamic fundamentalist, "like Hitler," rebels, and freedom fighters have to be repeated endlessly to get the public conditioned for come what may. Cyber warfare soldiers have to target thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of web sites, to begin reshaping consensus on these sites. Certain posters have to be smeared and marginalized. The center of consensus has to be moved to a center that agrees with the talking points of the plan for the regime change. Certain honey pot sites have to be established on the right and left to attract and inventory those with opinions that refuse to be shaped. It is a huge undertaking. They are apparently getting better and faster at it the more of these regime changes that are done, as one would expect, but its a major undertaking nonetheless.

And this is why someone, or some group, that were trying to destabilize Bill Self and KU basketball, would be expected to spend a long time shaping the virtual battle field around Self and KU, before moving in for real operations. Self and KU would be surrounded and blanketed by certain media commentary and internet destabilization specialists tasked with changing the perception of Bill Self and KU basketball long before someone would move in for the take down.

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

Part 4

This is life on the net. The techniques that the military develop always filter down into the civilian sector where ever utility is found, too.

Capice? This is the context in which Bill Self has to act, whether he thinks there is no concerted effort to do to him what was done to Norm Roberts, or whether he thinks there is such an effort under way.

Its is too soon to tell whether Self is managing the virtual battle field, because he thinks recruiting is in real danger, or because he senses a significant amount of the KU fan base is forming an unfounded opinion that he doubts would be conducive to his on going recruiting operations, even if he believes his recruiting is in good shape.

And one must always retain humility and caution in analysing this particular issue for one simple reason. Self has won very, very big for ten years without ever getting his share of the top talent vis a vis the other Top Five programs; this is critical to remember.

His recruiting classes have never consistently exceeded the other Top Five programs as I recall it. His classes are always fairly highly ranked, and he has had a few that were very highly ranked, but he has never consistently landed the OADs and depth of Top 10-20 talent that the other Top 5 programs have landed, as I recall.

You and I may think that his recruiting is not trending up in a way commensurate with his accomplishments and reputed stellar charisma and persuasive skills, and we may think that this drop off in recruiting signings in To 20-50 type players will eventually catch up with him, but the proof will have to be in the pudding.

I frankly would have thought his numbers would have fallen off starting two seasons ago, especially last season, but they did not.


The complete answer is no doubt very complicated taking last year for example. Yes it includes avoiding any injuries that actually kept players out for the season. Yes it involved two key players reaching their ceilings the same season. Yes it involved Withey developing far beyond expectations of most, but not me. :-)

But the single biggest variable I think many overlook last season was that UK has vacuumed up most of the top talent the last few recruiting seasons. And they've been keeping them away not just from Self and KU, but all of the Top 5 and lesser programs. KU did not run into a UNC team with Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. KU did not run into a UCLA team with Anthony Davis. And so on down through the top six spots of the UK roster.

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

Part 5

In an unexpected way, Cal and the people that at least appear to be asymmetrically shaping the recruiting wars in UK's favor, cleared the path for a few good men banding together under a great coach and racing all the way to 30+ wins and a run to the finals, before hitting the buzz saw. One used to see this phenomenon repeatedly during the UCLA-Wooden-Sam Gilbert years, also. Talent became so asymmetrically distributed during that period that many lesser teams made heady runs to the finals as a result that they might not have made had top talent been more evenly distributed.

Back when talent was being more evenly distributed, or at least back when KU was part of the cabal that was doing the lion's share of the talent distribution, last year's KU team would probably have had its lack of depth exposed much sooner and been beaten before the Finals.

I think we will have to wait and see on Self's motivations. He's a very, very wily guy.

My hunch is that the likely dead give away that Self thinks he is in over his head on recruiting will come if he takes a pro job. I always believed that Larry Brown always left the college game, because he never thought he could crack the recruiting regime that Dean and Sonny and Nike and Mike and Roy were apparently maintaining. I always believed that LB was a shrewd fellow who would rather take his chances on drafting and trading in the NBA than taking the leavings of the recruiting regime that then ruled D1. I always believed LB was a college coach at heart, but that probably never was willing to abide by the divide the country in half deal that Dean imposed on Roy. I always suspected that LB burned his bridge with the recruiting regime, when he took Danny away from Roy and Dean. And so LB became an NBA coach for the duration. He probably came back for Self and his own sanity down at SMU to try to help out the right way guys and get in a few years of coaching kids instead of pros. But I digress.

One more thought: I did notice another item at Late Night to put in the balance that KU's recruiting may be afflicted with some kind of ongoing talent diversion program of the kind that victimized Norm Roberts.

It was the 6-0 and 5-9 recruits for the following year's recruiting class; that stuck out like sore thumbs.

Rock Chalk and Go Bill Go!

Ben Simonett 9 years, 7 months ago

Intersting read jaybate, but ill still come back to my original point. the "nip it in the bud" philosophy mandated by the the 24 hr media cycle was established before self excepted the position at KU.

granted it has gotten far worse in the past few years but not to a level that would require a coach to start apologizing for his recruiting class preemptively as Self appears to have done here unless it was needed.

the fact that the media offset was required for this class is all the indication one should need that a problem exists.

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

Fine, and I will stick with my argument that it is inconclusive, because he would be acting the same way under either condition. That puts the burden of proof on you. It doesn't matter if this stuff started before Self got here either. The fact remains that he would be acting the same under either condition, so your inference would only be valid under one of two circumstances and you still haven't produced proof that one of the circumstances cannot exist, or is even improbable. Good to hear for you on this regardless of our not changing each other's minds.

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

P.S.: we do still agree that his recruiting is still not going as well as it should be, given his skills and accomplishments and program. Something is going on. But what? I don't know. Wish I could be a fly on the wall in a number of different places right now. :-)

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

(Note: and of course it almost goes without saying that all five parts of the above is speculation and opining based solely on observing events remotely from media and not from any inside information. It is just a sports fan's wonderings, guesses, and musings.)

wildjayhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

Brady Moriningstar was a poor recruit and a down year for recruiting by Self. Don't need anymore of that ignorance.

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

BStar started or was 6th man on a 26 win and 30+ win team.

BStar guarded the opponents toughest perimeter defender.

BStar averaged 40% from trey for his career.

BStar played in the NBA D League last year.

Man up. Quick taking the Insipid Pill. Kiss my hip pockets.

And pray for Bruce Weber to be fired quickly, my little troll doll.

Miguel Colón 9 years, 7 months ago

While I agree with most of your stats Jaybate, I disagree with the fact that you consider Brady a great defender. He wasnt, his junior and senior he got exposed as SLOW in the NCAA tournament. He was an average player who plays in the D league cause of his fathers connections.

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

Not meaning to be at all argumentative here, but why then did Self call him an excellent defender and assign him regularly to guard the opposing team's best perimeter offender, if he were as poor as you believe for two entire seasons? I am always interested to read explanations, too. I'm not stating this to try to refute you. I want you to try to help me understand your point here. Thanks for commenting.

Miguel Colón 9 years, 7 months ago

When a coach has nothing better, he will hype up the best available. If we had a more athletic player on the wing in those years then Brady is sitting. Coaches do it all the time, trying to build up average players or good players that are in a slump.

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

I want more players with a 40% shooting slump that can hang on in the NBA D league. :-)

Imagine how good last year's team would have been with a legitimate 40% popper on the perimeter again.

Having given you your say, wow, this is really a hard sell take on Brady for me.

I just keep thinking about EJ, Travis and Conner bricking treys at 30-35% last year and I frankly would have given a year of my scurred eggs in cream with pancetta for even half a season of Brady.

But thanks for the comments.

Miguel Colón 9 years, 7 months ago

If you like Brady and are ok with mediocre play, then I guess you are easily satisfied.

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

If you cannot recognize good defense, and 40% trifectation, plus low turnovers and a get it done personality, I guess you deny yourself many of the pleasures of basketball and would surrender a team to potential rather than reality.

But thanks for the take.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 7 months ago

We saw coach Self stick with Brady Morningstar for three seasons, with each season ending with a KU loss short of the final four, and with Brady Morningstar having predictably poor NCAA tournament games (And yes, predicted). Perhaps one of the most passionate debates. And perhaps the quintessential of "Trust in Self" debates.

My position evolved a bit there. In the end, I greatly appreciated what Brady brought to the team. But my conclusion was 1) that playing Brady helped us win conference titles and achieve success in the regular season .. the marathon. But that 2) playing Brady ultimately hurt this team in the NCAA tournament .. the one and done situation. He hindered the development of a great talent, Elijah Johnson.

There is no way to definitively prove "Playing Brady massive minutes ultimately hurt this team in the NCAA tournament." But the evidence is very strong. And folks have been convicted and put in jail on far less evidence.

Playing Brady was the right decision most of the time. Wins prove that. But if you look at wins as evidence, then relying upon Brady was the wrong decision. Each season we lost in the NCAA tournament, Brady had underwhelming efforts. Poor games. The last vs. VCU he was outmatched on the court. The evidence is even stronger when you see what EJ's athleticism brought us in our Final Four run last year.

It is absurd to argue that EJ simply couldn't have done that, at the very least, his sophomore season .. he played 6 whole minutes vs. VCU. Brady played 32 minutes, 1-7 shooting, 2 points. We were out-athleted. We know.

See, the evidence is strong. Thomas Robinson developed into an All-American his junior season. EJ into a guy that put us on his back at times in the NCAA tournament. But the argument all along is that force-feeding the younger guys, letting them play, letting them make mistakes in the regular season, perhaps costing a game or two in the regular season, is the better route .. you see it all over college basketball, including on a freshman laden NCAA championship team. Giving players minutes, in tough situations, game situations, crucial situations, gets a player ready. It's called experience. Do you really believe that if Marcus got hurt during 2010-11, TRob wouldn't exhibited a large percentage of his All-American form?


Jack Wilson 9 years, 7 months ago


We saw EJ step in for Taylor in 2010-11 and perform tremendously. But as predicted, Taylor comes back, EJ to the bench. Not playing EJ over Brady was a monumental mistake by coach Self.

I am firmly convinced. Will go to my grave with this belief. If EJ gets Brady's minutes vs. VCU, we win. That gets us to the Final Four. Yes, we beat Butler. And yes, we beat Connecticut. All we needed vs. VCU was some energy. A spark. We saw that spark in our last run last March.

Better yet, if Brady tears an ACL in November. We're a better team in March. The lack of faith in EJ .. 13 mpg vs. Brady's 27+ .. cost this team. If EJ gets the 27 and Brady the 13, we're better. Now, could it have cost us the league title? Could EJ have cost us early? Maybe. But EJ is, was, and always will be a better player than Brady. Then and now.

But coach Self relied on his security blanket. And if you don't think that top recruits, seeing Brady playing over 5 star EJ can have an impact, I think you're mistaken.

Brady was a solid defender, but not great. Not near what Releford is. Not as good as Taylor in Taylor's junior year (when Brady was a senior). Not as good as EJ last season (and EJ as coming on strong at the end of 2010-11, Brady's senior season .. when Taylor was out. He was very strong defensively). We saw multiple examples where Brady couldn't hang with top athletes.

Thank you for revisitng my unhealthy obsession with that particular chapter in KU basketball history. I think I feel better now.

Miguel Colón 9 years, 7 months ago

HEM! MY MAN! Where have u been? I asked for your opinion on that Rio article.

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

Good to see you reinvigorated, HEM.

Brady shot way, way better from trey every season he played than did EJ, Travis and Conner last year.

Its almost certain that the team would have been vastly better off with Brady than Conner last year. Might would have won the ring even with all the injuries with one guy that could hit the trey.

It might have been as well off with Brady than EJ, or Travis down the stretch last year, because EJ and Trav were too gimpy and Brady never got hurt bad enough to be gimpy. And even when healthy, EJ and Trav have never been able to stretch a defense the way Brady did.

Would I rather have EJ and Trav for playing bump and jump with the long and strongs? Yes

Would I rather have Brady stretching a zone than EJ and Trav? Yes.

And that's how it settles out for me.

Give EJ and Trav a trey gun like Brady had and there's no doubt I want EJ and Trav.

Give Brady the athleticism and size that EJ and Trav have, and I want Brady.

But I really don't see that the Brady came up as short as everyone else thinks. In fact I don't think he came up short all..

I mean the knock on Brady is that when he came up against the really tough competition of the madness by Elite Eight time, he folded.

But look what happened to EJ's and Travis' numbers in the tournament last year. They got overwhelmed a couple of times in the Madness too. But they were saved by TRob and TT. Marcus and Kieff never came up as big in the tourney as TRob and TT did, so no one was there to save Brady on the overwhelmed games and give Brady another chance against a better matchup next game. KU just went out. Brady never got the second chances that Trav and EJ got last year. TRob was the decisive edge over the Twins, and over Cole. TRob really was super man last season. Brady would have survived a couple bad match-ups last tournament with TRob going Superman, too.

I'm really not trying to argue that Brady was better than EJ and Trav. We won't know till we see the numbers when EJ and Trav are done.

I just think the numbers are in both team and individual on Brady and his numbers look as good, or better than Trav's and EJ's for most of the seasons, so far, so this means that Brady was not chopped liver in any dimension of his game.

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

Now this season is a chance for EJ and Travis to really prove themselves and recoup from their horrible shooting years last year. And it is a chance for them to put some distance between themselves and Brady if they can. They both look like they ought to be able to. But they both have always looked like they ought to be able to. But it was Brady that started as a redshirt soph and was a rotation player, and part time starter the next two years. Not EJ and Trav. EJ and Trav now have the chance to really go beyond Brady this season...if they can.

But remember: Xavier Henry couldn't keep Brady off the floor more than 20 mpg. And Josh Selby, even when he was briefly healthy, could not keep Brady off the floor completely either. And those two guys were OADs. EJ and Trav are not OADs.

Lastly, as your fan, and steadfast colleague in joyful basketball commentary, I want you to take a deep breath and get prepared for Evan Manning. I have a feeling he is going to be another Brady Morningstar. :-)

Aaaaah, enough of Brady already. And enough of last year.

That was then and this is now!

Go Hawks!

And go HEM go!


texashawk10 9 years, 7 months ago

I'm sorry but I can't agree with you that Brady is the reason KU lost to VCU. Not arguing that Brady played a good game because nobody for KU did that night. 2-21 from 3 is not going to win very many games. Reed was 1-7, Brady was 0-3, Marcus was 0-3, Selby was 0-3, Tyshawn was 0-2, and Markieff hit the only other 3 but was 1-3.

I honestly put more blame on the twins than I do on Brady for that one. Their trash talking was stupid and made the game personal for VCU and made them angry which is never a smart thing to do at that stage of the tournament because VCU clearly wasn't lacking for confidence at that point. Their defense on Skeen was an embarrassment as they bailed him out time and again. 12 free throw attempts for a guy that was 2-10 shooting inside the three point line, are you freaking kidding me?!?! Not to mention letting him camp out behind the 3 point line to go 4-7, there's no way a front court player should be able to do that. Again, not even going to try and argue that Brady played a good, but I really do put more of the blame on the twins than I do on Brady for that loss.

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

Great take, ralster.

Your reference to the Richmond Spyders is key. Add in VCU and you have the rationale that has driven Self every since that VCU loss.

You can make the 16, even the 8, with well coached 4 and 3 stars if you have 2-3 difference makers, or what I call every night MUAs

Self was hugely impacted by those two games. The win that ran his more talented team out of gas. And the loss to the less talented team that was better conditioned the next night. I really believe it changed the way Self was beginning to think about talent.

I think Self believed that big numbers of Top 20-50s guys playing spread it around was the key.

But then he finally realized that he kept getting his clock cleaned by teams with one or two difference makers and a bunch of physically and mentally mature 3 stars.

I think this is where Frank Mason fits in, if he does. My guess is that Frank Mason has a great, great motor. He may be all the things you said in terms of what he lacks, but I'm guessing he is fundamentally sound and tireless, even though he lacks 4-5 star talent. I'm guessing Self has decided that he wants a stock of these sorts of guys incase he keeps getting stiffed on the OADs, and can only land a couple of difference makers a year, at most.

Bill is saying, if I can get the difference makers, and Hudy can muscle up the 3 stars for filler when I get stuffed on the 4-5 stars, well, that's the way we're going to bridge through this Adidas contract and Nike turns the talent valve back on.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 7 months ago

I was caught in a weak moment .. I vowed "no more Brady stuff" a while back. And I fell off the wagon.

I promise to move on.

Priest Fontaine 9 years, 7 months ago

Ya kusports! What's the word on Selden, Gordon and Embiid? No interviews or follow up?

jbal32 9 years, 7 months ago

Just checked Aaron Gordon's twitter page and he stated, "KU was tight! Rock chalk is kinda on point haha." When Selden arrived in Lawrence on OCT 12 he tweeted: "In Lawrence, KS! #KU #BLESSED. And Joel Embiid simply stated that he had a good visit.

Alohahawk 9 years, 7 months ago

Obviously, Late Night has little to do with a structured and productive practice session. Instead, it's unofficial function is to re-introduce the returnees and, more specifically, the newest members to wear the Crimson and the Blue uni's to KU's fanatic fanbase. And having waited over six monthes to do so, since the National Championship game, it allows those fans to re-acquaint themselves with the pleasures of Phog Heaven. With an overflow of attendance (I feel sorry for those who were turned away from what, I'm sure, they had been anticipating for quite some time.), it sounds like high expectations for this season haven't diminished one iota.

That said, I agree with drgnslayr and heterohilfiger above. Late Night is considered one of the best methods available for impressing recruits. It's a perfect opportunity to showcase the unbeatable experience of playing a game in Allen Field House. And yet, we, the fans, have heard nary a word from the media regarding the reactions by the recruits who attended. I realize that, officially, those involved in the recruiting process (coaches and related officials), aren't allowed by NCAA rules to comment. But surely there must have been a few sports reporters on hand to, if nothing else, observe those recruits who attended and comment on their reactions. Are those recruits off limits to reporters while on official visits, or would it have been possible to ask them a question or two? It would help to answer at least some of the questions about which we are so anxious to hear.

Finally, to reiterate what some have already posted: It's the 2012 - 2013 season, finally!!!! Welcome back returning team members, and to every new recruit and walk-on, ALOHA (Welcome. We love you all.)

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, KU!!!!!!!

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

"jaybate National Basketball Security [jNABSEC] Alert:

Cell Phone Scan of UK Wildcats Roster with Cal's Secret DNP* Player Code




3 Nerlens Noel Forward 6-10 228 FR Everett, Mass. (Tilton), DNP 4 Jon Hood Guard 6-7 212 RS JR Madisonville, Ky. (North Hopkins), 5 Jarrod Polson Guard 6-2 189 JR Nicholasville, Ky. (West Jessamine), 10 Archie Goodwin Guard 6-4.5 198 FR Little Rock, Ark. (Sylvan Hills), DNP 11 Twany Beckham Guard 6-4.5 202 SR Louisville, Ky. (Mississippi State) 12 Ryan Harrow Guard 6-2 170 SO Marietta, Ga. (N.C. State) 13 Sam Malone Guard 5-11 185 SO Scituate, Mass. (Scituate) 15 Willie Cauley-Stein Forward 7-0 244 FR Olathe, Kan. (Northwest), DNP 22 Alex Poythress Forward 6-7 239 FR Clarksville, Tenn. (Northeast), DNP 32 Brian Long Guard 5-9 155 SO Dumont, N.J. (River Dell) 33 Kyle Wiltjer Forward 6-10 239 SO Portland, Ore. (Jesuit) 34 Julius Mays Guard 6-2 192 GS Marion, Ind. (Wright State)  DNP* Do Not Practice, PT without practice promised


(Note: All fiction. No malice. Thank heavens they don't have Kidd-Gilchrist another year. AD we could hold to 1-10. Kidd-Gilchrist was an unfair advantage.)

AsadZ 9 years, 7 months ago

KUSports. I am curious as to what has been our recruiting success from Late Night. How many players we have signed over the years that had attended late night and how many did we miss. A sample over last 4 years or so would be great.

TexasHawk44 9 years, 7 months ago

How desperately this board needs both a word and posting limit. Vanity and soap boxes are certainly not in shortage but brevity unequivocally is.

Alohahawk 9 years, 7 months ago

You may be right in your assessment of some of the posters on this board, but surely you must realize, as what is often said, "People enjoy (or often strive for) their ten minutes of fame. UTUBE is a perfect example of that, BTW. Which is somewhat what each poster receives by posting on this board. I mean, how many KU fans, be they BB or another sport, or even non-KU fans, read this board. (UGGGHHH! Even troll's visit regularly.) From what appears on ESPN and other national sports web sites, you get the impression even they are aware of what we are posting.

Some posters have more to say, while others just enjoy extending it out longer than ten minutes. Some are very opinionated and want to back up their arguments with facts and figures. I, myself, prefer the reasons why, behind a post, rather than a simple, "I like Selden." or "I despise Cal Lie Pari." Short, unsubstantiated statements add little to the conversation.

Since freedom of speech is one of our more cherished rights, I tolerate even a troll's right to post. However, unlike some places in this world, nothing says we, as the reader, are forced to read troll (or any) posts. You've visited enough to recognize who posts good posts (whether you agree with them or not), and skip over the ones that are long winded with nothing to say. For example, when I see something posted by "BBall..." (an obnoxious Kenstinky troll), I know automatically I can skip reading it, because he/she will disagree with whatever I, or another, has posted. (ie. I could state that 'dog' is spelled with one 'g', but that poster will argue, just for the sake of arguing, that it has two 'g's'. They'll argue to their grave that Kenstinky is the best, but I couldn't care less.) Let them spout their drivel on a Kenstinky board, not ours. As far as I'm concerned, they're wasting their time. And I admit, I get a sense of pleasure, and it sort of makes me wonder what satisfaction he/she gains, knowing I ignore their posts. Surely they must realize they're wasting their energy and time posting something we know is just Kenstinky bull****.

As for a posting limit, there is a limit of something like 3000 letters per post. Believe me, I've had to cut short a few posts myself due to that limit. But then again, one can always add a second post. :>/

As for brevity, well, anonymity does that to a lot of people.

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago


I defend your right to say whatever you want at whatever word count you prefer.

That being said, this is your most patently unAmerican post yet. Tom Jefferson would be fuming. George Washington would be gnashing his false teeth. Even Hamilton, Federalist and Bank of England lover that he was, advocated for free speech. Are you some kind of retro-Commie that wants to be a Stalinist minister of right proletarian thinking and word counts? :-)

Or are you some kind of hand kissing Kingsman that wants to restore a stinking monarchy in the USA and condition the First Amendment on the fancy of the King? Don't tread on me, or this American online community, you retro royalist, crumpet muncher. :-)

Just having some fun with you, .22short.

Seriously, if you want short posts get a twitter account.

If you want to tell people what they can post, and how long they can post, I reckon Vlad Putin might like to hire you for the restoration reputedly going on over there.

Personally, if I were you (and its a terrifying thought to contemplate), I would opt out of working for Putin and get a Twitter account.

But that's just me. :-)

TexasHawk44 9 years, 7 months ago

Such a clever gump you are Jaybate.

What is it? 22 short... blah blah.


NEXT! :-)

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago


Imitative fallacy.



Yeeeeeee haaaawwww its fun to play with ewe, .22short.

And thankie kindly for making me appreciate all the functional Texans even more.

Gotcha twice!

Next again.


Alex Resnik 9 years, 7 months ago

Selden just committed to KU!! Cannot wait for him to be in the Crimson and Blue! Love to see HCBS work with a point forward! RCJH!

Jeffery Barrett 9 years, 7 months ago

On a basketball note, ESPN is airing a "30 for 30" documentary Tuesday at 7 pm CDT about James Naismiths' rules of basketball and how they got "home".

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