Sunday, October 30, 2011

Starters return to preserve UT shutout

Kansas quarterback Jordan Webb scurries away from Texas defensive end Jackson Jeffcoat during the first quarter on Saturday, Oct. 29, 2011 at Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium.

Kansas quarterback Jordan Webb scurries away from Texas defensive end Jackson Jeffcoat during the first quarter on Saturday, Oct. 29, 2011 at Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium.


KU coach Turner Gill opening statement after 43-0 loss to Texas

KU coach Turner Gill makes an opening statement following his team's 43-0 loss to Texas on Oct. 29, 2011.

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— Without asking anyone, Texas linebacker Emmanuel Acho ran back onto the field. Immediately, linebacker Keenan Robinson followed him.

On Kansas’ final possession of Texas’ 43-0 victory Saturday night, the two starters wanted to make sure their shutout stood.

Even though they’d been benched earlier in favor of the second-teamers, the seniors put themselves back in while also taking their replacements out.

Two plays later, starting defensive backs Leroy Scott, Blake Gideon and Kenny Vaccaro also made their way onto the field for a crucial third-down play, helping secure UT’s first shutout since 2005 when it defeated Baylor, 62-0.

“We all kind of looked at each other and said, ‘Let’s go. Let’s go play ball. Let’s go get the shutout,’” Gideon said. “We did, and it worked out for us.”

Texas coach Mack Brown said afterward he didn’t OK the move. But he didn’t stop it, either.

“I wasn’t real happy with it, but to their credit, at halftime, it was huge for them to get a shutout,” Brown said. “It’s hard to get a shutout in college football anywhere, but it’s really hard in the Big 12, as many points are scored.”

The last time the Longhorns shut out an opponent at home was 2004, when they defeated North Texas, 65-0.

“I told them, ‘If you’d have gone out there and gotten hurt and hadn’t stopped them, we would have had a discussion,’” Brown said. “But it was OK. I was happy for them. They were really proud of themselves tonight.”

Texas came close to setting a new defensive record.

The 46 yards of offense allowed was the second-lowest by a Texas opponent since 1944. The Longhorns held Southwestern to 37 yards in 1944 — some 67 years ago.

The negative-two yards allowed rushing also was the 20th-best effort in Texas history since ’44.

“We were talking to some of the older guys, and they were saying that they’ve never done anything like this,” Texas sophomore defensive end Jackson Jeffcoat said. “It’s special, and we can build from it.”

It was Texas’ first home Big 12 win since Nov. 21, 2009, when the Longhorns also beat the Jayhawks, 51-20.

Texas was so dominant in the first half that it had 60 plays compared to KU’s 13.

“We were actually worried about substituting our offense because they were so tired,” Brown said.

Texas held Iowa State without a point through three quarters on Oct. 1 before allowing 14 points in the fourth quarter of a 37-14 victory.

“There’s a very small percent chance that you’re going to actually hold a team to no points, no field goals or anything,” Gideon said. “That was huge for us, especially there at the end with a few of us kind of putting ourselves back in the game to get that stop.”


Ibajayhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

They shouldn't have worried, gill and JW had that all figured out. You know how to look and be totally incompedent and make it last for the whole game.

actorman 10 years, 9 months ago

Yeah, that's a hell of an improved offense, isn't it? It's time for the whole lot of the coaching staff to go; the sooner, the better. And please, no more crap from the TG apologists (can there POSSIBLY be any left at this point?) about how it's all still a work in progress.

Shawn Otrimble 10 years, 9 months ago

I rarely write on a wall, but I feel the need to say this. With all of the turmoil going on in college re-alignment driven by TV markets and big time college football. This is the worst situation Kansas University could be in. We have squandered any momentum we have built on since our Orange Bowl year. I am embarrassed of our Jayhawks , we should of never let it get this bad. We need to immediately fix a wrong Lew left us with. I would like to replace Gill with Leech. He knows how to win, and how to beat Texas teams. Our conference for what its worth the Big 12 has upgraded in football and we need to take the proper measures to compete on a weekly basis. For what its worth here is a stat I think you will like. TCU/WVU > TAMU/Mizzou Wins 177 130 Losses 51 96 Bowl Wins 10 3 Bowl Losses 7 9 BCS Bowls 4 0 10+ win seasons 10 3 Non-winning Seasons 1 7 77 Point Losses 0 1

Cmill1221 10 years, 9 months ago

Good job with the head to head stats. Really puts things in prospective!

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 9 months ago

Although I agree with the stats, please keep in mind that the majority of the games played by these teams were in the Big East and in the MWC. Although one is an AQ and one is/was on the verge of getting an AQ, the Big XII has arguably been the second best conference in the country for the past 15 years.

If you wanted to skew the numbers you could go head-to-head with KU. I don't know about the wins/losses, but Bowl Wins 3 Bowl losses 1 BCS Bowls 1 10+ seasons 1 Not sure about non-winning seasons, probably 4 77 Point Losses 0.

TAM actually is one of the best known football teams in the country and we lost a lot from it.

MU we really didn't lose much except that the conference is unstable. Personally, the thing they had going for them, was that KU was their rival. They had two great college QBs (Gabbert and Chase), which can really carry recruiting and future growth. Ultimately, the move to the SEC had to occur for them, they were never getting into the Big Ten and I think they knew it. They basically will fall into medicrocy in basketball and football they will be gone. They aren't going to be able to recruit Texas as strongly, and how many GA and FL recruits are you going to get. I was actually surprised how many recruits from Missouri are at KU. Long and short of it, MU won't even be as consistent as Vandy in any of the revenue producing sports.

Yosemite 10 years, 9 months ago

None of the Missouri players playing at KU were recruited by Mizzou, including Miller. Their recruiting will probably improve with the move to the SEC. The best players want to play in the best conference.

Lynn Stuart 10 years, 9 months ago

if i;m not mistaken the yr Texas won the national title and they played in Lawrence didnt they need an extra down to beat us? Mangino Leech same person Leech less girth but same person.

John Mueller 10 years, 9 months ago

Well, agreed with the TG apologists. If there are any left, they need to shut up or leave.

But, let's not let BGL off the hook.

Tommy Tuberville literally begged for an interview and couldn't even get a conversation with this administration.

We were so effing determined to make a statement hire, vs. finding the best man for the job.

Down with stupidity and political correctness! Up with meritocracy and Darwinism.

We need to hire a man who is tough minded, accountable, has strong football mind, can put together a first class staff of coaches to recruit Texas, beat Kansas State in Kansas for the 7 or so guys who can play D1 football and beat the hell out of Mizzou in Kansas City and St. Louis.

And lets start winning again. I don't give a hoot in hell if he is tough on his players, abrasive, can't conjugate a verb. I just want him to have better players, better schemes, more mental toughness and be a winner.

Lollipops and gumdrops better be over on Mt. Oread. If not, we need to get rid of BGL as well.

To go from Orange Bowl to this in 4 yrs. is simply not acceptable. And, BGL should be completely accountable for this horsepoop.

danmoore 10 years, 9 months ago

For Christ sake, leave the chancellor out of this. Her job is academics, not athletics. That's why we have an AD. Political correctness was not the reason we hired Gill. Have you looked at the number of minority coaches in D1. There is NO insistence for colleges to hire minorities. If there was there would be more than 11.

Steve Corder 10 years, 9 months ago

These kids are better than this. They've lost confidence in their coaches. Those coaching staff meetings must be unbelievably depressing.

This is a nose dive that only a Hollywood script could save.

Shawn Otrimble 10 years, 9 months ago

My point from my previous statement I was trying to make was: With all the movement in college football(which appears to be the driving force) To protect our "Kansas Basketball", we must put a competitive football team on the field every week. I'm a realist so I don't expect us to become Oklahoma but we need to at least compete there are too many uncertainties in conference re-alignment and in 6 years if all hell breaks loose in the Big 12, having a competitive football team could be the difference of going to the Big 10/ACC or end up in Conf USA/Missouri valley. And that my friends is risking hurting our great Basketball tradition. Which I don't want to risk.

Robert Brock 10 years, 9 months ago

If we are going to continue to recruit in Texas, then we need to take some players that Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas Christian would like to have. Hasn't happened yet.

boknowssports 10 years, 9 months ago

this team has quit on their coach. no fire. just going through the motions. its over.

Lynn Stuart 10 years, 9 months ago

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Eric J. Baker 10 years, 9 months ago

Our football is pretty pathetic, but starters going back in to rub salt in our wounds is the definition of unsportsmanlike. It'd be like if Duke's basketball team was up by 30 and still ran down the floor every possession and launched threes... oh wait, they do that. Nevermind.

Jack Wilson 10 years, 9 months ago

What is pathetic is that sort loser attitude. So, rubbing it now is not just scoring when the game is out of reach, but stopping the other team from scoring? Try this .. actually score on their number one defense. That would be something.

A shutout for a defense in football is something of tremendous pride and accomplishment. Let's worry about our house.

And the politically correct, Mangino witch-hunt is now bearing its fruit in full bloom for all to see. We go from the penthouse to the outhouse that quickly. I'll take an egotistical, horses-a** as a coach any day.

Eric J. Baker 10 years, 9 months ago

This article isn't about our house, it's about Texas starters going back into the game to humiliate a terrible team. Read the headline again. If that's a tremendous source of pride for them, then that just strengthens my point about how unsportsmanlike they are. Beating up on the little guy to make yourself feel big is the definition of a bully, and us KU fans have enough to feel bad about without Texas going out of their way to make us feel worse. If Bill Self put back in our starters in the finals minutes of a game to run up the score, or to do a full court press, on some poor mid- or low-major that we were destroying, we'd all be saying it was classless and unsportsmanlike. Mack Brown should have heavily chastised those starters for going back in.

Nick Cole 10 years, 9 months ago

People like you are the reason our kids today are so freaking soft.

Jack Wilson 10 years, 9 months ago

Ugh. You and I do not live in the same worlds. You know what you do to bullies? You kick their a**, that's what. You might find a place with the occupy Wall Street protestors. Life is unfair. I love hearing coaches, parents, players, etc., whine about how the other team handles things. If it is poor sportsmanship, it is a great life lesson on how not to do things. Whining creates a mentality in sports, and life.

Regardless of "how unsportsmanlike they are" on things like this, in your opinion, it is much less appealing to cry about it. Makes me want to buy you a binkie.

I still have never really heard anyone pout and cry about the other team stopping the losing team from scoring. Again. Ugh.

kusports1 10 years, 9 months ago

seriously, you never played competitive sports in your life. Every competitive person who plays sports would want to have a shut out. the score was 43 to ZERO. the humiliation is on our part way before that. If we were playing a DII school and they had the chance to shut us out, I can assure you, that all starters from that team would race back out on the field to finish it. The only way that losing 43-7 instead of 43-0 makes a difference to KU is if they get the 7 points against the starters. You mamsy-pamsy. go cry somewhere else!

SaltLakeHawk 10 years, 9 months ago


First of all, your Bill Self / basketball analogy holds no water. This is football. College football. Where "voters" decide which teams go to a bowl. They don't just look at wins and losses, they look at scores. 47-0 is more impressive than 47-7, and Texas just increased it's odds (by a small amount) of being selected for a better bowl. Because of the voting dynamic, I've always believed the whole concept of "blowing teams out is bad sportsmanship" to be irrelevant in college football. Texas needs to do what's in the best interest of their team. Period.

All of the above is based on pure, undeniable logic.

Now for the visceral...

I can't stand whiners like you, of which there seems to be WAY too many these days. Your soft attitude doesn't belong anywhere near sports, especially football. If someone blows us out, that's a sign that WE need to get better. Don't like it? Go get better. It's a life lesson. But instead, you'd rather flush that life lesson down the toilet (because it's unpleasant) and shift the conversation towards how mean the winning squad is. Those jerks! Those meanies! They could hurt our self-esteem!

It's all part of a larger movement in our country that George Carlin so eloquently labeled: "the Pussification of America."

Please reread what BleedCandB wrote, because he nailed it.

Geekinout 10 years, 9 months ago

Why wouldn't you want a young team to run as efficiently and effective throughout an entire game? We are basically a live scrimmage for other teams to prepare for their bigger games. This is college athletics, you play hard for the entire game regardless of the score. If a coach wants to use this time to improve itself I don't see anything wrong with that. It's not like they were running trick plays trying to score like a Spurrier use to. KU basketball still tries to score when they're slaughtering teams to let their bench get involved. No difference

cg1029 10 years, 9 months ago

Could care less if the starters went back in... Texas and every other team should have done KU a favor and never taken the starters out... I am sick of Gill saying that we can build off of scoring in the 3rd and 4th quarter when we are playing vs 3rd stringers or walk on's. There is no excuse left anyone that thinks he should have a 3rd year KNOWS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL... And quite frankly you are probably the parents who complain becasue your kids don't get enough playing time in youth league games... This is major college sports and KU fans should expect more from their football team.

danmoore 10 years, 9 months ago

"Texas coach Mack Brown said afterward he didn’t OK the move. But he didn’t stop it, either."

Gee Mack, if only you were in the position to make these type of decisions.

kudocrx03 10 years, 9 months ago

Bring back the passion!!!! MM didn't sugarcoat BS (not to be confused with HCBS).

jayhawk2062 10 years, 9 months ago

I was at the game in Austin and it was an absolute embarrassment in every way possible.

Here are the STATS of futility under Turner Gill: (Stats begin 2010 - 20 games)

-Given up 40 points or more 11 times

-Given up 50 points or more 5 times

-Given up 60 points or more 1 time

-Given up 70 points 1 one time

-Lost by 21 points or more 10 times out of 15 losses

-Scored 24 points or less as a team in 13 of the 20 total games

-First shutout loss since 2002 (Coach Mangino's 1st year against K-State)

-Lost to FCS team (1st time since 1982)

  • 1-12 record in Big 12 games (0-12 against current Big 12 members)

  • Average Score in big 12 games: 46 -14.....being beaten by an avg of 32 per game!

-Overall Record of 5-15

-Attendance at or below 40,000, 5 times in 2 years. Before 2010, last time attendance at a home game was below 40,000.......was in 2006 against Colorado!!!!

This is a joke. It's worse than anything Terry Allen put together. They must axe him after the Missouri game. Period. I say save money and hire a great/upcoming assistant from a winning program (i.e. Mark Mangino) or actually give 2 to 2.5 million to a real coach with a track record of bowl games and winning (i.e. Mike Leach).

Eric Bernauer 10 years, 9 months ago

Bring back the passion and toughness, but don't bring back Mangino. Current state of KU football is embarrassing. As poor as I feel about KU football, I can't imagine how these players feel. Some of these players came out of high school ball with the chance to sign and play at about anywhere. I'm referring to the few 4 star players we have. All of them came out of high school feeling like football studs, and they were at the high school level. Now I can't imagine that a lot aren't regretting their choice. I have quietly been patient about giving HCTG and staff time. However, after seeing some improvement in the Oklahoma game, I now see us going backwards. From what I understand, we are financially committed to Gill, like it or not. It doesn't matter whether KU football improves to below average (and below average would take significant improvement) or gets worse (and come on now, the best thing about our current state is that it can't get much worse).

Mangino had some positive attributes, but he had to go. It wasn't a witch hunt as some suggest. He was tough and his teams won. As early as his second season I was impressed and was singing his praises. Not because we were good then, but because we were better than we were the year before. That improvement continued every year till his last, and the continued improvement is quite an achievement. But, it doesn't matter what the results are on Saturday if you're abusing the players. You have to go. When I first heard the complaints I thought it was just a disgruntled player whining because he wasn't getting playing time and I blew it off. I was wrong, it wasn't just a single player and his mommy, It was player after player, starters, team captains, and stars on the teams acknowledging the abuse. Physical abuse causing bodily injury. Toughness is not the same as abuse. There are a lot of tough coaches out there who win football games and don't abuse their players. That is who we need.

Those of you who think it is alright to abuse players just so your team wins need to grow up and gain some adult priorities. I'm guessing that anybody who is yelling to bring Mangino back without being ready to strap on a helmet, has less than a complete set of balls. No man would be willing to sacrifice others just to feel good about themselves for something as insignifcant as a football game. Winning can be done the right way, we just haven't found it, yet.

Jack Wilson 10 years, 9 months ago

Abusing your players. I am sure they are emotionally scarred. Will never recover.

Please spell out to me the "abuse." That's a pretty strong word. What "abuse"? What bodily injury? What "physical" abuse? This deserves an explanation and a citation to your source. And I need more than pulling their facemask, or a whack on the head.

Oh, and a reminder, these men are on scholarship. Receiving $20,000+ of value each year, and they get to play football. Getting paid to play football. About the same pay as a Marine private who doesn't get to play football.

I would suspect that the Marine private is much more "abused."

And what is winning the right way, exactly? Oh, that's right, it's your definition.

Turner Gill is twice the man and human being as Mangino. Mangino was a nasty, ill-tempered, ugly (personality) man. Gill is the opposite.

But we're not judging who you would like to play golf with, or have over for dinner, or have as a neighbor.

This is about wins, and competing. And Mangino's ugly personality puts him in the same category as, well, many hall of fame football coaches. I'll take the horse's a** head coach any day of the week.

We are where we are. Fire Gill. Hire the horse's a** -- preferably one that can recruit.

kusports1 10 years, 9 months ago

I have to 2nd that HighEliteMajor! If this "abuse" that you are referring to, waymilky, was as bad as you say then this would have been a lawsuit time deal. Come on. step and give us all the details. I am sure that Mangino was very tough in his approach but obviously not to the extent that you say. bodily injury but no lawsuits? really? leave the BS to someone else b/c we aren't buying it. this was a very small number of boys not liking the coaching style or the lack of playing time b/c no evidence or information says otherwise.

Eric Bernauer 10 years, 9 months ago

Though I don't post much, I do read the boards frequently so I know both of you are on here much more than me and most likely read the same articles. Making players crawl across a scorching field on there knuckles and knees leading to second degree burns is physical abuse. This and other abuse was backed up by several players including team captains. This is not justified because they get a scholarship or they are winning. For you to think this is necessary to win shows limited maturity. It is so easy to live in your mom's basement and call for abuse of other's when you don't have to pay the toll yourself. Are you so isolated from reality that you think the AD fired the most successful FB coach KU has had without the approval of all those above him? Does the administration have to wait for a lawsuit before firing him? Of course then you would be whining that they should also be fired for not doing something sooner.

Jack Wilson 10 years, 9 months ago

Your perspective is one that simply has a different level of what is acceptable.

I did not suggest it .. questionable methods .. are "necessary" to win, as you suggest (and neither did kusports1). Comprehending what we wrote is your challenge here.

My preference is a coach that is a horse's a** .. perhaps a Bill Parcells over a Dick Vermeil. Both won, different approaches.

I don't blame the AD on the firing, and I don't know how you extrapolate that from either what I said, or what kusports1 said. I have said that this was the handy work of our lame Chancellor. You are exactly right .. Bernadette Gray-Little-Gray-Politically-Hyphen-Correct-Little was the decision maker. I don't blame Perkins.

And on the burn thing, the story I heard is that there were no real burns from hot turf. Some kids got blisters not from temperature, but from rubbing the knuckles on the turf. Spin. That's all that was .. spin to justify the firing.

If he was abusive, why did he get a buy-out? A big one? You know why.

Seth Peattie 10 years, 9 months ago

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troutsee 10 years, 9 months ago

The fans have quit. The players have quit. This team is on free fall. Our best QB is a wide receiver, having never really gotten a fair shot at QB. Fire Gill. I can no longer apologize for him. I was hoping that he could pull things together for KU FB but he can't. The hand writing is on the wall.

NebraskaJayhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Mangino's going to be handing out bags of potato chips & cans of pop for every good play made next year.

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