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Monday, November 14, 2011

Keegan

UK has talent, KU has a shot

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NBA Draft websites don’t have all the answers, but can provide interesting clues.

NBAdraft.net does a nice job of updating its projections. Its latest mock draft confirms the obvious: No. 2 Kentucky has more talent than No. 13 Kansas University.

As of Sunday night, the site projected six Kentucky players going in the 2012 draft, one for Kansas.

Five Wildcats are projected to go in the top 16. Junior Thomas Robinson, KU’s lone projection, goes 24th, strangely late.

NBAdraft.net has Kentucky’s Anthony Davis, a 6-foot-10, 214-pound freshman power forward from Chicago, going third, behind UConn freshman Andre Drummond and North Carolina sophomore Harrison Barnes.

The other Kentucky prospects:

Marquis Teague, a 6-2, 189-pound freshman point guard from Indianapolis, is eighth.

Terrence Jones, a 6-9, 244-pound sophomore forward who disappointed KU when he made a verbal commitment to Washington before switching to Kentucky, is projected 14th, starting a run of three consecutive Kentucky players.

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, a 6-6, 216-pound small forward from Somerdale, N.J., goes 15th.

Doron Lamb, a 6-4, 200-pound shooting guard from Laurelton, N.Y., who had Kansas among his final schools, is 16th.

Darius Miller, a 6-7, 238-pound forward from Maysville, Ky., is the sixth and final projection, going 60th.

The site doesn’t have Kansas senior Tyshawn Taylor getting drafted and cites as reasons his not having the strength and size to play shooting guard, the vision and decision-making to play the point. It also mentions Taylor’s latest suspension as a reason to question his commitment. Here’s guessing Taylor, too quick to bypass, will go in the second round.

Strong guard play gives KU more than a puncher’s chance against favored Kentucky on Tuesday night in Madison Square Garden.

Taylor, a fourth-year starter, junior Elijah Johnson and freshman Naadir Tharpe combined for 16 assists and one turnover in Friday’s season-opening 100-54 victory in Allen Fieldhouse against talent-short Towson.

The 16-to-1 assists-to-turnovers ratio from the guards indicates Kentucky can’t count on Kansas giving away possessions with unforced turnovers. Kentucky will have to earn them with its relentless pressure.

If the super-fast trio of KU guards can attack the Kentucky pressure with scoring plays, Robinson can stay out of foul trouble and Travis Releford can ramp up his rebounding, KU can win.

“They’re scary, scary athletic, that kind of stuff,” Kansas coach Bill Self said of the Wildcats. “They have real guys at every spot and have some depth, and they’re talented. But I think it’ll be a great game and a game there’ll be a lot of hard-rocking athletes on both sides that’ll be getting after it.”

Not unlike the KU-Florida game played in Las Vegas, Nov. 25, 2006. Florida successfully defended its national title that season and had five players chosen in the 2007 draft to KU’s one (Julian Wright). KU won, 82-80 in overtime. Five Jayhawks who played in that game were drafted in 2008.

Comments

kusportsdotcom 10 years, 6 months ago

Right, so UK is more talented, but KU still has a shot to win. That's pretty good analysis.

jayhawker97 10 years, 6 months ago

well... i like the title, but the content needs more analysis than just mentioning some of our players. we've still got Withey, Teahan, Young, Wesley who are ready to contribute big time. they will play prominent roles in kicking UK's rear-end.

rock chalk!

Mike Barnhart 10 years, 6 months ago

Why are the first comments after a Keegan column always reviews? Are you guys editors?

Keegan could say the sky is blue and correctly predict the next big earthquake and the first two comments would be, "Obviously!" and "Lucky guess!"

DCLawHawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Turnovers and rebounding are key. If we can limit Kensucky's possessions, we can take them. I think our team may show more poise than the very green Wildcats in an imposing venue like MSG too.

Clarkeee22 10 years, 6 months ago

Haha true but remember if Kentucky wins it could be vacated in a year or too history shows.

Alohahawk 10 years, 6 months ago

That is an understatement. Maybe Kenstinky can match Rose's and Cal Lie Pari's 2008 record at Memphis of a 0 win - 40 loss season. Still surprised that Kenstinky didn't have to forfeit last year's season, what with the illegal coaching by their disqualified player (Forget his name.) :-)

LAJayhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

I don't mean to nitpick (no, really I don't!), but I don't think vacated wins get moved to the loss column. I believe they are just removed from the win column.

Ok, maybe that was a little nitpicky.... :-)

Kenny Nall 10 years, 6 months ago

The thing is that KU and UK don't play in the NBA; they play college hoops and thank god for that. That's why I'm a lot less scared of this Kentucky game than maybe I should be.

Ben Kliewer 10 years, 6 months ago

Related topic. Anybody watching this game in LA? (Outside of your living room. I'm not coming over to your house weirdo) :)

KULA 10 years, 6 months ago

There are several watch parties in the LA area. Check the alumni site for the locations. The largest gathering will be at the Parlor on Melrose.

RockCaCO3 10 years, 6 months ago

"Bill Self undefeated against Calipari, all-time."

fansincewilt 10 years, 6 months ago

The big difference is coaching. I am picking Kansas to win.

Jackalope7 10 years, 6 months ago

I really, really, really hope the Jayhawks can pull this one out...but it wouldn't be surprising if we lose by 20...or more. Kentucky is that good this year. DCLawHawk has it right. But Defense and rebounding would be my two biggest factors in this game. Hawks have got to hold Kentucky to one shot possessions. Come on Hawks! Let’s show the nation what Jayhawk Basketball is all about! RCJH!

Ben Kane 10 years, 6 months ago

This is going to be a really long week for me. Kensucky fans are already at 9 on the i want to smack them in the mouth meter.

nuleafjhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

If you DO, at least you won't have to worry about knocking out many teeth.

Chris Shaw 10 years, 6 months ago

"UK has shot, KU has X-Factor".

I don't know, we have already deemed Tharpe the X-Factor so why not get one more article about the point guard.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

UKonvictAllDay,

Win, or lose, you are required to post here, because I like to have a speed bag.

RockChalkWoody 10 years, 6 months ago

Yes, please come back after you lose too!!!

Steve Kubler 10 years, 6 months ago

Bright side to this is that if KU loses it will hurt but hey we will survive and get better. If KY loses it will be like the kiss of death and chaos will ensue.

Nice isn't it. :)

KULA 10 years, 6 months ago

So you're saying that if you lose, you'll be too ashamed to ever show your face again? It takes a big man to slink away with his tail between his legs, lol.

Travis Clementsmith 10 years, 6 months ago

Yeah, your "promise" should be to come back for one week, take your licks like a man and then, NEVER post here again.

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 6 months ago

That would also require you to have a life or things to do... so I'm not holding my breath anyway.

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 6 months ago

Of course you would never come back; after losing the Perry recruit you already showed your preference to hide after making asinine spectacles of yourself on this site

nuleafjhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

We also know you're a liar and will come back under some other stupid name.

Lance Hobson 10 years, 6 months ago

You're selling your soul for some wins now but probation later. You know I'm right.

KGphoto 10 years, 6 months ago

Look here everybody, it's either ahperse or somebody who works for LJW trying to spike hits so we can see more of those fabulous ads you all love so much. This poster is setting records for responses. Stop feeding the animals!

DRsmith 10 years, 6 months ago

Of course KU has a chance. I think they have a decent shot actually. I do believe they are playing UK at the best possible time because they would have next to no chance come March.

Wheatgerm 10 years, 6 months ago

Exactly. The standout UK freshmen are just beginning to learn what Calipari wants them to do. They've played two exhibitions and Marist, and Marist gave them a game for 15-20 minutes. They've not seen the likes of KU. KU must jump on them early and make them think they can lose. Probably won't happen, but it will be most interesting (for both fan bases) to see how this early early matchup shakes out.

DRsmith 10 years, 6 months ago

Now that is down right funny there, I don't care who you are. KU faster than UK?

farnamjayhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Yes, KU is faster than Kentucky. Taylor and Johnson might be the fastest back court in the nation. The funny comment by Perses is KU having a deeper bench.......We are not even close. We'll have to get the bulk of everything from the starters. Points from the bench will be a blessing.

KU 75 Kensucky 72

RCJHGKU

Ben Simonett 10 years, 6 months ago

OK, DRsmith called you on the "faster" line

but whats even more rediculous is the claim that KU has a deeper bench?

are you freaking kidding me? UK has 2 mcds all americans on its bench, we have a 5'11 PG whose been impressive against inferior talent and....um.... hmmm?

texashawk10 10 years, 6 months ago

Kentucky is 7 deep, KU is 9 deep. Need further explanation on how KU is deeper. Talent level is another debate.

CardHawkFan 10 years, 6 months ago

Speaking of a similarity between KU, Kentucky, and who's draft ready. I remember KU handling Kentucky a few years back when they had a point guard who was fast, didn't handle the ball that well, rough around the edges and who's commitment was questioned. Turned out alright for Rajon Rondo. Let's see what you got TT!!! Of course, hopefully the game doesn't turn out the same for the team with the wayward PG. This should be a great game.

HawkKlaw 10 years, 6 months ago

The beautiful thing about college basketball is that the experience of lower-ranked players sometimes trumps the talent of higher-ranked players. I know a lot of people on this site didn't agree with it, but that is why Brady Morningstar played more than Elijah Johnson last season. EJ is clearly more naturally-talented, but Brady gave us the best chance of winning due to his experience.

UK has a lot of un-experienced, talented players. KU has a decent chance of winning just because of the experience we have out there. UK obviously has the deeper bench, but KU's bench is better than what most people give it credit for. Plus, KU definitely has the edge in coaching. I'm looking forward to this one!

brooksmd 10 years, 6 months ago

Look at Vandy and Cleveland State last night.

Wheatgerm 10 years, 6 months ago

The coaching edge aside, your point is very well taken. Good team play can definitely defeat better talent. Or what's a Gonzaga/Butler for?

Tony Bandle 10 years, 6 months ago

Just for fun, the headline should have read the University of Kansas {UK] vs Kentucky Univsersity [KU]......

The posts about the names would have outnumbered the posts about the game 10 to 1!!! :)

Second game of the season, in New York, Madison Square Garden, Nationally broadcast...I'll be surprised if either team hits the rim, much less makes a shot in the first few minutes.

This game may be where four juniors and a senior in your top five gives you an advantage.

Will Kansas win?,.....on paper says probably not. Can Kansas win?......absolutely have a chance Long term effects......We still have Bill and they still have Cal.[a fresh orange vs a rotten apple]

A loss is not the end of the world. a victory is just a first step, a tie, well, that would be something, wouldn't it!!??

Woody Cragg 10 years, 6 months ago

I don't see our guys, 6 deep at least, getting intimidated by the UK players. That said, playing in the BG Apple will be huge for lots of these kids on both rosters. Good barometer for both teams with FR & Sophs lacking minutes. Will definitely benefit our guys & I'm hoping Nadir will get lots of action. Mark my word, if he stays for 3-4 yrs, he will be really historic for our program. BG spotight will be major exp for him, Wesly, Jeff, Young, Conner...tough schedule this year, no one can say otherwise. Will certainly be jitters for some. And at KU you get everyone's best shot in the jaw out of the chute. We'll see if Bill can outcoach what's his name again. Know I'll be ready in front of the BG Sony! RCJH!

DRsmith 10 years, 6 months ago

The whole "Best Shot" argument is best saved when playing inferior teams, someone like TX Tech etc... Not UK.

Alex Berger 10 years, 6 months ago

Yeah, because Kentucky isn't going to try their best to win tonight...

Woody Cragg 10 years, 6 months ago

That's not a confidence vote for Cal either.

Woody Cragg 10 years, 6 months ago

Quite the analytical reply. And, an astute observation as well I might add. Perhaps the DR stands for doctor? You may make a suitable companion for TexBB55, ya think? Go ahead dissect anything you're qualified for, anonymously of course. Hopefully not a procto... remember opinions are like something else everyone has. LOL. Is easy to come across like that as well, ask tex.

Ben Simonett 10 years, 6 months ago

This game is not going to be close, UKs got to many talented bigs to conitnuosly go at T Rob with. he will get into foul trouble.

Even if he somehow avoids the fouls, UK is going to run all game and rotate players often, T Rob will be gassed 12 minutes into each half.

UK by 12

Wheatgerm 10 years, 6 months ago

Self can adjust. It's what good coaches do. Slow the pace, play a zone. And what if Kansas makes their 3s? Marist did in the first half and stayed with the Cats. I'm not convinced Kentucky can defend the outside shot. Conner could go wild. We just won't know until they play the game.

FlashyThundercat 10 years, 6 months ago

Keegan is such a tool. He doesn't even consider that his words require ink to be drained from a reservoir and printed on an actual page. I think he should have more respect for the resources that are dedicated towards getting his stupid opinions out there into the minds of readers. He's an idiot and his writing consistently sucks.

buckleyhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

And that was a well thought out, objective, beautifully written post. Thank you for sharing.

FlashyThundercat 10 years, 6 months ago

It actually was everything you said it was so thanks.

FlashyThundercat 10 years, 6 months ago

Yeah I read that, which means that he knows that he sucks because if he felt that he didn't he'd laugh the comments off. Keegan knows he's a fraud which is why he got so pissy at someone who suggested that he get help for his writing.

Phoggin_Loud 10 years, 6 months ago

All of the KU coaching staff should wear their NC rings on the bench for a (not so) subtle reminder of 2008.

buckleyhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

That's right, they were busy losing in the 1st round as an 11-seed that year.

buckleyhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

I wasn't bringing that up. Kentucky was the 11 seed that year. "as an 11-seed..." Thanks for playing...

Woody Cragg 10 years, 6 months ago

You very conveniently left out 08'. Don't re-live that one either. LOL

Woody Cragg 10 years, 6 months ago

While we're on the subject, and you're on the wrong site, how many solid gold recruiting classes will Cal need to get an NC? Just curious, enlighten us please, with your expertise?

Woody Cragg 10 years, 6 months ago

While we're on the subject, and you're on the wrong site, how many solid gold recruiting classes will Cal need to get an NC? Just curious, enlighten us please, with your expertise?

Woody Cragg 10 years, 6 months ago

Good luck, but Slick has to do better with the colts to impress those who have been there. Oad's don't get the job done in crunch time. Also, his tiptoeing on the rules does not fare well for those he has represented, except the Oads. Surely he's figured out when to foul by now?

ampthatman 10 years, 6 months ago

Wait, you said "first round defeats". Only two of those were first round defeats. And the only two first round defeats in my lifetime.

KULA 10 years, 6 months ago

I'm looking for Tyshawn to have a Big Game in the Big Apple.

Jayhawkintexas1973 10 years, 6 months ago

I'm not afraid of this game at all. There are reasons for this.

  1. What do we have to lose by losing this game, being that it is the second game of the season? Nothing.
  2. We have a lot to gain by making this game a down to the last shot in the final minute game, or even just winning the game.

Tim Orel 10 years, 6 months ago

Or the game in 1990 or 1991 where Roy's boys beat one of the top teams in the country to start the year, also at Madison Square Garden. I can't recall - was it UNLV?

Wheatgerm 10 years, 6 months ago

That's an excellent perspective to carry into this game.

Brian Powell 10 years, 6 months ago

I hope HCBS takes it to the guys this way.. we do have more experience than UK, but if we play loose and stay aggressive, we def. have a shot.

Jayhawk444 10 years, 6 months ago

Almost everyone KU will rely on in this game has big-time, big-game college experience. KU might be able to take advantage of the fact that UK will rely on some freshmen who are playing their first game in the bright national spotlight and might not yet understand how to handle it.

Woody Cragg 10 years, 6 months ago

HCBS has a damn pretty solid history of recruiting guys he can put in a system & develope. Anyone recall Mario vs Terrance Williams? Even though we may get spanked by better talent in an early game that basically means nothing, losing early in season can be beneficial down the road for sure. However, stroking egos is counterproductive, like alot of the posters here do for themselves. Waste of time IMO.

This may be an "off" year for the Jaybirds, but could you really call a season with 25 wins off? When you average appx 33 for the past 5 yrs I guess, but this coaching staff will come back with a vengance next yr if that happens. Write that down JMO. NO ONE has more wins over the past 5 seasons than The University of Kansas. Not Duke, not NC, not UConn, not UK, no one. And if ya think this is homeboy analysis, check the records.

Woody Cragg 10 years, 6 months ago

Yeah, but with Johnny the Squid you better not take those to the bank yet. LOL!

JayHawkFanToo 10 years, 6 months ago

Most wins in the last 5 year: 1. KU - 165 wins 2. North Carolina - 150 wins How many does Kentucky have in the same period? How are all those one-and-done working out for you? Did I mention that KU also has one National Championship in that period? Remember who KU beat in the finals? That's right Memphis coached by the"squid" AKA Calipari/calamari, your current coach. I believe the "squid" nickname fits Calipari to a tee...slimy and with greasy, dirty tentacles everywhere.

Steve Brown 10 years, 6 months ago

Memphis and UMass will loan you a ladder you will need when it is time to take down the banners. SAT.comJrose&Wall.

Jayhawkintexas1973 10 years, 6 months ago

It won't matter when UK has to vacate the season, because of the criminal coach the AD hired.

Steve Brown 10 years, 6 months ago

GlobalJay we are set for about 19-20 w this year...fun to go into March as a 5/6 and upset some folks.

Wheatgerm 10 years, 6 months ago

Stats are a funny thing. You have to be careful which ones you choose. Over the last 5 years, Self has 165 wins. Calipari has 168. Over the last 6 years, Self has 190 wins. Calipari has 201. Let's not get into a battle of stats. UKALLDay will only pull out the Sagarin All-Time rankings. Suffice it to say, these are best programs going, together with NC and Duke. It's ALL good.

madamson77 10 years, 6 months ago

Although UK has a 7-8 man rotation, they play much deeper, as each player is deadly in 2-3 of each of the 5 postions. For example - Miller can play the 2, 3, & 4 and Davis/Jones can be at the 3, 4 & 5. They have so many different combinations.

Anyone know the all time records against UK?

1jhawk2 10 years, 6 months ago

To much athleticism and size down low for UK. They dominate once TRob gets in foul trouble. I see a score of 87-64. I love the hawks and we are down this year in comparison to years past. Don't kid your self fellow Jayhaws, UK can and will run up and down the court. We will be able to do that so long with certain guys. Terrance Jones was awesome as a Freshman and he's going to be a lot better this year because of that 1 year expericene. I don't see Wesley, Young and Withey being able to sprint up and down the court with Davis, Jones and Kidd-Gilchrist.

Too much fire power for UK. If you watched UNC/MSU, you'll know what I'm talking about. UNC has quality depth at each position and I believe UK does as well.

Rock Chalk!

chalkitup1811 10 years, 6 months ago

I say let this UK Bastard talk all the trash he wants. Karma will come back to bite him. Weather is be tuesday or in march!

Woody Cragg 10 years, 6 months ago

Though UK has quality depth over virtually anyone except maybe NC or UConn, HCBS needs to play at least 8 deep to gain exp on this large of a stage. Nadir, Conner, Kevin, maybe even Justin could get quality min depending on situations, fouls, etc. Regardless of outcome, most of these guys will be primetime next year, & need to be ready. Traylor, McLemore, & Ellis will all be in same postion next year.

This season could possibly be only the TROB show, but I'm OK with that too. He deserves it. Don't forget there's always more to the process than just winning & losing a single game, much more. Just want him to keep his health together till he goes pro. Hopefully he won't be far removed from his degree either. And don't forget that grad rates are a prominent element in the process also, ask UConn. I'm rooting for this guy as much as I've ever done anyone. JMO.

texashawk10 10 years, 6 months ago

Bill Self's team 75 John Calipari's team 68

Kristen Downing 10 years, 6 months ago

Sorry, but I think this will be a lesson learned for the Jayhawks and I would rather they learn this lesson early. Kentucky is too deep and Withey will be eaten alive unless he develops a whole different personality real fast. I like him, he just does not have a killer instinct. Tyshawn will be totally distracted by the Garden and the biggest factor, the Kentucky fans will outnumber KU tenfold and they are loud. We will see Self angry and ripping players out of the rotation early.

Woody Cragg 10 years, 6 months ago

We will see Self angry and ripping players out of the rotation early.

Hope this wrong, this season will be a BG test for Self also. Needs more patience than with RRob or Mario back when. Kinder & gentler have not been his strong suit. Guess we won't wait long to see. Enjoy the game either way.

Woody Cragg 10 years, 6 months ago

There goes the neighborhood, time to move on...

Kristen Downing 10 years, 6 months ago

Man, I hope I'm wrong because ukallgay is obnoxious. I did not find this the case when I have been near Kentucky fans before. Maybe the Calipari snake oil salesman charm is rubbing off on the once southern charm fans....

Wheatgerm 10 years, 6 months ago

Trust me, ca, UKALLDay is not all Kentucky fans.

SoCalAlum 10 years, 6 months ago

I've got to like KU's chances against UK given the difference in experience in guard play and maybe also team speed. Time for Tyshawn to step up. Given the numbers Keegan listed, we seem to match up physically reasonably well. No doubt, the UK players are elite recruits (and there are a bunch of them), but they're young, untested, and fresh off the "there's D in AAU" circuit. Additionally, playing in the Garden, my guess is that you're not going to see many UK assists either, as the squad of UK alpha dogs go to get theirs. I know it's not Coach Self's typical style, but I'd like to see KU put early and often full-court pressure on them...expose their inexperienced guard play and see if they've put a press-break into their package yet...I'm thinking it likely hasn't been a point of emphasis yet...

madamson77 10 years, 6 months ago

KU will be pressed for sure. UK has pressed in each game so far this year, they are looking for fast break opportunities. They have a team of John Wall's who can run the floor very well.

I'm not sure what advantage the press gives KU, Teague is a true point guard and nasty passer who seems to slice right through.

milehighhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

LOL

Keeg's "analysis" was to copy & paste draft projections/analysis, add a few sentences about our first game, and finish with a quote from Self on the Wildcats.

Thinking it took 8, possibly 9 minutes.

Seriously, what does he do all day?

Woody Cragg 10 years, 6 months ago

Whiskey, Tango, Firefox! Who did you say was lost? 4-5 star OAD's are not going to produce a NC, then again maybe you are really Larry Brown posting as someone else, with insight far greater than others who only ponder as laymen. You & Cal, Shalom.

texashawk10 10 years, 6 months ago

Not you global, I know the whiskey tango foxtrot. That was for the the person who sounds like he has the same grasp of the English language as a 6 year old and that's not you. I probably should've put hihawk at the end of my post.

BearfishRob 10 years, 6 months ago

My head has been spinning about this game for awhile now. At first I thought ku had little to no chance, but seeing some things come together has given me some hope..

1) Our turnovers have been low. Very low. Weirdly low, which is great. If we can keep the low turnover train rolling then we have a good advantage coming in against some unproven freshmen.

2) Conner has been shooting lights out. If he can turn into a jeff boschee type player (which self, and the rest of the team believe he can do), we have a vital piece to the great team puzzle.

3) Our guards play D. Tyshawn, EJ, Releford and Tharpe can and probably will make the Kentucky guards life a living hell.

4) If Withey and his role playing post brigade can made a solid difference defensively against UK's stars then we could bring home a win.. but that's a tall order in my opinion.

madamson77 10 years, 6 months ago

1) KU hasn't played a team with good defense yet 2) see comment one 3) Although Lamb and Teague are listed as guards, Davis and Jones are guards who just happened to grow into the forward position 4) If KU can slow the game down, then Withey has a chance to produce. If UK goes crazy on fast breaks, Withey will not be able to keep up.

Wheatgerm 10 years, 6 months ago

  1. I think you may have something there. Jones does go for the shot fake. Not having him underneath would be a big plus for KU on the glass. Likewise for UK with Robinson on the bench. Fair to say KU can less afford to lose Robinson?

dynamitehawk 10 years, 6 months ago

UKALLDay,

Have you ever woken up half-naked, in a strange bed, covered in cheetos, wearing a back on top shirt (http://deadspin.com/5458466/kentucky-back-on-topfor-about-36-hours), with a woman named Flower? I've done all except the back on top shirt... I've got a few decades to get that accomplished, but I digress...

I'm not sure how this game is going to turn out, but there is one thing that UK needs to understand. Thomas Robinson is like the Incredible Hulk... Not the new cartoon Incredible Hulk, but the Bill Bixby, "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry", version. Just ask Jorge Gutierrez. http://www2.kusports.com/photos/2010/...
My message here is not that we are going to win, because it's not likely - but who knows. What I'm here to tell you is that if anyone on UK's squad makes him mad, that it's likely that T-Rob will take all five players and mash them together like a bunch of starburst candies and eat them. Just be careful.

kufankam 10 years, 6 months ago

ukallday,

welcome back!!! you must have been sick or out of the office because you failed to finish our conversation. you were insisting that since calipari wins on recruits, he somehow is a better coach. further you were commenting on how self doesn't win enough and how he does "less with more". i asked you multiple times to tell me what calipari has ever won (you refuse to answer that question). so, since i hadn't heard from you, i posted the following (again, no response).

You still insist on not answering my question. I can answer for you. He hasn't won anything. However, you seem fine with that as long as he wins on recruits. You seem so quick to critique our coach. Who, by the way, has won 11 of 14 conference titles (finishing 2 and 3 the other three years). You also have failed to say a word about how you have lost three straight to KU and Self (does less with more, huh?). I again remind you that when you last visited Allen, you left with a 27 pt whooping. Last time we went to Rupp, we left victorious. You seem to conveniently not address any of these responses to your ignorant claims about KU and Self.

KUbsee69 10 years, 6 months ago

The big question is whether Ashley Judd will be there in her cheerleader outfit. I love watching her cry!

Woody Cragg 10 years, 6 months ago

What a bunch of sick UK a$$holes. If you try to be respectful with a touch of humor or smack, they keep re-posting as gay sombreros because they can't say anything half way decent or intelligent. And the fair weather KU posters can't figure out if the glass is half empty or full. IMO you can all suck your way to the SEC with missery, or have some faith in our coaching staff. After all, their records' pretty damn good.Sounds like the UK gays would prefer the first choice, and we all know missery loves company. Go now.

REHawk 10 years, 6 months ago

One of our more colorful and contradictory posters claims that the game won't even be close. Kentucky will run away with the victory.
Gotta hope that, by midnight Tuesday, that smoldering wit will have blinked out in the dying embers. RCJH!

Steve Brown 10 years, 6 months ago

In March after we upset Vandy to get to final four we destroy Butler for right to play Harrison Barnes who beats D Lamb and rest of your wildcats in overtime,. Cya.

Steve Brown 10 years, 6 months ago

In March after we upset Vandy to get to final four we destroy Butler for right to play Harrison Barnes who beats D Lamb and rest of your wildcats in overtime,. Cya.

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 6 months ago

I've got UNC, Duke and KU alum in my family (Mostly UNC) and pretty much the only thing we can agree on is Calipari is a snake and UK lost all credibility when hiring him....

This is a guy who would never have gotten the green-light at any of the other "blue-blood" schools, purely due to his history of infractions (Note: if this statement makes you respond with "nobody has proven he's committed any infractions", do not bother responding and go stick your head back in the sand.)

Ethan Berger 10 years, 6 months ago

and Casey Anthony did not do anything wrong!

DRsmith 10 years, 6 months ago

Yes, even though it is true, go stick your head in the sand. Sound advice there.

Wheatgerm 10 years, 6 months ago

Let's not go there. Calipari's reputation among opposing fans and some sportswriters (I think undeserved) is a huge unproductive time-suck. We have better things to discuss. And UKALLDay, you really do UK fans a disservice. You should have said Calipari's never even been implicated. If you want to mix it up with other fans, at least get your lines right. Your response reminds me of a WC Fields bit. When someone asks whether he was present when his wife died, he says, "No one's ever been able to prove it!"

Ethan Berger 10 years, 6 months ago

X factor for Kansas this game will be Releford. His shot technique wise is something we haven't seen in a long long time. He is a freak athlete who was raw coming into college. Look for him to have a big game

X factor for Kentucky- Take your pick.

We lose If Cal has any brains who attacks our post, gets T Rob nand Wit in foul trouble. They can use their bench, ours will be harder to use.

We win If we out smart them. Now this is very general so what I mean is we use our age to our advantage. Our starting lineup has no one younger then a junior. Whilst they are loaded with freshman and sophomores. They have more NBA talent, but if we can pick up the mental speed of the game, we win.

Woody Cragg 10 years, 6 months ago

Who really cares? Gays, alter egos, sickos, jerkos, whatever-just go away to wherever. If it's one or several makes no diff. Notice that some of the gay boys comments are getting flagged-finally. All trash- no validity. Won't take long kusports will throw them out shortly. Surely you remember the brady basher from nebrska He didn't last long-just changed his handle continuously.

Andrew Washington 10 years, 6 months ago

why did u create two usernames? Its obvious that its the same person, I bet you're also that oklahomasooners guy too..why don't you get a life

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

This game is easy to call.

KU has shot molten hot the first three games.

Conner is at 81%.

If KU shoots back to its average, i.e., below its average, UK wins.

If KU's hot hand extends another game, KU's defense is so much better than UK's that KU will win.

Defense wins early season and late season.

Offense wins the middle.

Conner, can you light it up one more game, before you have your 0-fer game?

Probabilities are not with us. Runs end.

But they don't have to end against UK.

kufankam 10 years, 6 months ago

i posted this previously in this post: you seem like you don't want to talk to me... hmm...

ukallday,

welcome back!!! you must have been sick or out of the office because you failed to finish our conversation. you were insisting that since calipari wins on recruits, he somehow is a better coach. further you were commenting on how self doesn't win enough and how he does "less with more". i asked you multiple times to tell me what calipari has ever won (you refuse to answer that question). so, since i hadn't heard from you, i posted the following (again, no response).

You still insist on not answering my question. I can answer for you. He hasn't won anything. However, you seem fine with that as long as he wins on recruits. You seem so quick to critique our coach. Who, by the way, has won 11 of 14 conference titles (finishing 2 and 3 the other three years). You also have failed to say a word about how you have lost three straight to KU and Self (does less with more, huh?). I again remind you that when you last visited Allen, you left with a 27 pt whooping. Last time we went to Rupp, we left victorious. You seem to conveniently not address any of these responses to your ignorant claims about KU and Self.

Woody Cragg 10 years, 6 months ago

Of the 140-150 comments on this blog, one third are either from this nut or to him. Today was the first time I encountered him (her?) but as I traced comments, I see he enjoys getting hammered by many of this boards' rats. No life, no future, no friends, nothing...will just have to let it go like everyone else. But I admit, he did pi$$ me off when I tried to reply respectfully earlier in the day. My patience ran out around noon. Some people just make you want to *itch slap them with their inabilty to function as a human, despite all efforts otherwise. Some say people like this should be used for medical experimentation...maybe he has been already. Oh well, coulda fooled me into thinkin he's from missery!

dkelman32 10 years, 6 months ago

Keegan, you must think we're all still mentally stuck in football season. I would have thought you'd have figured this out by now, but KU BASKETBALL fans actually EXPECT TO WIN. Sometimes it may be fanciful or ill advised, but way more times than not that is exactly how it turns out. The only time we get nervous is the first weekend of the NCAA tournament. I'm not actually sure whom you are reassuring. Enough said. Rock Chalk (2nd winningest program IN HISTORY) Jayhawk! KU!

dkelman32 10 years, 6 months ago

I cannot believe that I'm letting you suck me into this BS. However, though it is silly and stupid the fact that you took one of your school's most embarrassing losses and just switched the names of Kansas/Kentucky and Williams/Pitino to get a rise out of fans like me is obnoxious, but brilliant in its simplicity. I applaud you for putting something up so obviously wrong that I couldn't help but correct you. Now, go play with yourself while playing world of warcraft and mastrabating to pictures of Ashley Judd while dreaming of a full mouth of teeth and some day losing your virginity. Enjoy the game. I expect to win, but unlike you my life will go on either way.

kufankam 10 years, 6 months ago

AGAIN, you refuse to answer my questions. This makes the 5th time I have asked. You assert that Self does less with more. You say Cal has won more because of how he "recruits" (which would contradict the "Self having MORE" premise). So, please for once answer these questions:

  1. What has Calipari won?

  2. How can you say that Self does less with more when he has 11 of 14 conference titles and took 2nd and third the other times?

  3. How can you say Self does less with more when he has thrice beaten UK in the last decade?

Of those three beatings, one was in Rupp. Another was nuetral and KU won like they should have as they were favored. The other, KU was unranked at home and ran UK out of the building. Somehow that doesn't seam like a team coached by the guy you are describing. That looks like he gets plenty out of his players. Just ask the Morris twins who went from serviceable to LOTTERY pics under our coaching staff. You might reply, but I trust you won't be answering ANY of this questions... AGAIN!

Hawk4Life1000 10 years, 6 months ago

I hear you and agree but dude let it go. He doesn't have to answer you and who cares about the last three games when they have beaten us 19 to 6. Cal is doing good now Self and the boys will get better but all this complaining is unnecessary. Let just see who wins tonight. Rock Chalk!!

kufankam 10 years, 6 months ago

i am not upset about it... i have nothing against kentucky. i recognize their success and respect all basketball rich schools.

i am not just sitting on the last three... i only bring that up to point out that self has done just fine with what he has (to counter his ignorant claim).

by the way. i am not complaining... i am merely humored that the troll continues to try and post on this site, yet refuse to enter into rational dialogue. it is clear he CAN'T answer as he knows he has been bested. it is not a complaint, but a mere confirmation every time he proves he is too weak to respond.

kufankam 10 years, 6 months ago

  1. then we agree that Cal has not won anything significant (what he has won has been taken away for cheating).

  2. so if the tourney is your standard, than how is cal not an underacheiver? is jim beoheim a good coach in your mind? who else outside of coach K, wooden, izzo, calhoun consistently brings home titles in march?

  3. my point in showing how he has fared against UK is to show how he has beaten UK with less talented teams (as you point to with your recruiting banter). when it was nuetral, KU won and should have. when it was at rupp, both were top teams and KU won on the road. when it was at allen, UK should have won and got obliterated. that points to a coach who does less with more.

it seems like you would be able to see self's ability to develop his players (again, do less with more). you seem to love the fact that UK has won on prize recruits. yet, KU has enjoyed more success with LESS touted kids. how does that not make sense to you.

how many kids has UK/Cal sent to the NBA that weren't already NBA kids before they got to UK? KU has taken kids from being middle of the pack recruits and put them in the NBA. How does that not point to a coach cabable of developing his teams/players? When has Cal done that? his kids are NBA ready when he gets em, and then they (surprise) go to the NBA. that is nothing to show he coaches em up.

marcus morris was the 29th best kid in his class (10th best at his position) when he came to KU. markieff was the 49th best (49th!!!!!/17th at his position). they BOTH went in the lottery last year (FAR ABOVE their position rankings would have suggested.

thomas robinson was the 31st best player (10th best at his position). he is projected as a lottery pick and FAR higher than the 10th best big man.

so, you see, KU has taken kids and helped them climb the in the ranks against kids that were said to be better prospects only 3 or 4 years earlier. guys like wall, cousins, orton, bledsoe, jones, lamb, etc. come to UK touted highly and get drafted accordingly. that speaks to them - not to their coach's ability.

your thoughts?

Wheatgerm 10 years, 6 months ago

Are there no moderators or terms of service that can prevent a troll from running wild here? That's a shame. Well, best of luck, Jayhawks! Let's see what the heck happens. I'm out.

Brian Powell 10 years, 6 months ago

stuff all the stats, they aren't going to predict who shows up tonight in MSG. And there's little way to predict how it will play out once we DO show up.

I'm going to guess it will be a messy but hard fought game. Messy as in painful for fans to watch at times! I do like our chances, but trying not to get my hopes up...

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