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Wednesday, January 27, 2016

Going forward: Self trims big-man rotation to four

Kansas forward Landen Lucas (33) talks with an official about a call against him during the second half, Monday, Jan. 25, 2016 at Hilton Coliseum in Ames, Iowa.

Kansas forward Landen Lucas (33) talks with an official about a call against him during the second half, Monday, Jan. 25, 2016 at Hilton Coliseum in Ames, Iowa.

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Kansas University’s basketball big-man rotation has been trimmed the past two Big 12 contests — a home win over Texas and loss at Iowa State.

“The way we were doing it, it wasn’t really working ... we decided, or I decided we were going to try to play as much as we could with four the last two games,” KU coach Bill Self said Tuesday on his Hawk Talk radio show.

He was referring to starting Perry Ellis and Landen Lucas while giving double-digit minutes off the bench to Jamari Traylor and an average of 5.5 minutes the past two games to Carlton Bragg, Jr., with Hunter Mickelson and Cheick Diallo basically out of the mix.

“I know what our players that play the majority of the minutes feel the most comfortable with. We’ve had open dialogue about that,” Self added of last Friday’s meeting with Ellis, Wayne Selden, Jr., Devonté Graham and Frank Mason III. “I know that it isn’t sometimes the most popular thing to do with some people or some fans who feel like they understand. The reality is it’s not about the individuals. It’s about who plays best with those individuals. That’s basically where we were coming from. I felt experience the last two games gave us the best chance to win.”

Freshman Diallo played four minutes in Monday’s 85-72 loss at Iowa State (sitting out the Texas game) while senior Mickelson has watched the last two games after playing two minutes in a loss at Oklahoma State.

Of course it’s possible Mickelson and Diallo could be used extensively at some point again.

“Sometimes playing a kid three minutes and if he doesn’t do well he doesn’t get back in, that’s something even the guys say it’s hard to play through mistakes when that’s the case,” Self said. “You get behind 14 points to Texas and they are not part of that ... to call them in to say, ‘Hey spark us’ when they’ve never been in that situation ... that’s really not fair to those guys in that particular situation.”

As far as Monday’s game ... “I thought Landen (nine boards, two points) played great. The job he did on McKay (Jameel, six points, five boards) was excellent,” Self said. “He’s not going to score a lot of points, but he rebounds and he defends. Certainly he’s easier to play with. A lot of people look at individuals and think about, ‘Well he looks good or he should be getting this or that,’ and that is a realistic thing to look at but you also have to look at who makes the game easier for the other four players out there. Who does Perry play better next to is as important as whether or not a kid looks good,” Self noted.

“I thought Jamari (two points, two boards) was excellent the first half. We scored easy (in leading 43-36). There’s subtle reasons you score easy. Then when the game gets tight and kids have never been in that situation, there’s a little more pressure to put them out there.”

On Hawk Talk, Self also was asked about sophomore guard Svi Mykhailiuk playing one minute total the last two games. He’d hit four of 19 shots in the previous three games vs. Oklahoma State, TCU and West Virginia.

“We all love Svi. He’s just been in a little bit of a funk. There’s no way to put it other than that,” Self said. “He’s a fabulous kid. He wants to do well. He needs to have some successful practices where he kind of gets a little bit of confidence ... which all players go through, especially young guys.

“He’s still the youngest player on our team (18). But it’s like we talked to Svi: ‘We can’t keep using youngest as a reason why. You’ve been here long enough to go out and make plays.’

“When you have won the league as many times as we’ve won it in a row (11), there are actually teams that get really, really up to play against you. It matters to their kids, too,” Self continued. “It matters to our kids a ton. Our kids are operating under pressure without question. I think a lot of people don’t realize kids operate under pressure and sometimes people react differently under pressure than what other people react to under pressure. It’s not like it’s all fun and games and we’re playing Chaminade and you can shoot and miss and it doesn’t matter. This is every possession matters. Not making excuses for our guys, that’s the reality of it.”

Self said after looking at the tape, he thought the Jayhawks played well at Iowa State except for a five-minute second half stretch in which ISU took advantage of five KU turnovers in an 11-0 run that won the game.

“I thought the first half was excellent. We were unlucky to only be up seven at half. We probably played better than that. The ball moved and we did some good things. We didn’t really stick together whenever it got to really nut cutting time to be candid,” Self said. “When it’s winning-time we didn’t stick together like a good team should.

Records: KC 810 WHB radio announcer Danny Clinkscale dug through the record books to find the last time KU lost three straight regular-season road games by double digits: to Evanston YMCA, Chicago Central YMCA and Muscatine Iowa YMCA in 1905-06 with James Naismith as coach. In 1954-55, KU lost at Colorado, Oklahoma State and Missouri by double digits, but the MU game was in the Olympic playoffs. KU came close in 1988-89, losing at Iowa State by eight, Duke by 25 and Missouri by 13.

The road: KU is 1-3 in league road games this season and 4-0 at home.

“Winning on the road folks ... if we played 40 minutes last night instead of 30, that still would have been a 50/50 game you’d have a chance to win on the road. It doesn’t guarantee you win on the road if you play 40 good minutes in Ames because they are really good,” Self said.

“They’ve got a better team (now) than when Danny (Manning, 0-4 in Ames) played here and Danny never won there. That’s not an easy place to go do it. We just didn’t put ourselves to be in position the last two or three minutes to make a go of it. That’s what was disappointing. One road game we’ve had that has been so negative from an expectation and record standpoint is Oklahoma State. Oklahoma State was great against us that particular night but we contributed to them being great because we didn’t do anything to keep them from being that.”

Comments

Lin Rahardja 3 years, 9 months ago

KU defense is stout, but the offensive scheme seems too predictable in Big 12 conf games. Hope we improve.

Cedric Spire 3 years, 9 months ago

What the heck are you watching our D stinks. We don't have one guard that can keep their man in front of them our PF can't guard anybody, and our C can't block a shot to save his life.

This is one of Bill's worst defensive teams ever!

Allin Herring 3 years, 9 months ago

The team is the worst KU team since the Ted Owen's days

Glen Miller 3 years, 9 months ago

Our D is why we can't hold a lead or stem the tide. I'm not sure what you classify as stout....

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 9 months ago

Kind of like calling a sieve a water container.

Billy Derringer 3 years, 9 months ago

Diallo say's why the hell did you recruit me. What a waste, no growth for Svi, or the freshmen..come on Self the squad is gased from team USA games and recent short bench WTF.,...

Doug Cramer 3 years, 9 months ago

Hard to question Self when he's won 11 straight conference championships. So maybe I'm wrong but I just don't agree with his personnel decisions this year.

Andy Hess 3 years, 9 months ago

It's always good to question decisions. Past success doesn't mean he always makes the best choice.

Keith Gellar 3 years, 9 months ago

Wow..i just get amazed when ku fans still keep on making these kind of comments. I've already heard multiple fans make similar comments like "at this point, even if we share the big 12 conference championship, i'll consider this season a success"..

Really, if that's the case, then we might as well call ourselves KSU. We're KU..our bar should be the National Championship. I don't give 2 $hits about the streak. Its clear that since the fans have this mentality, so does the coaching staff and guess what- more early tourney flameouts. but hey, keep bragging about the streak.

Allin Herring 3 years, 9 months ago

I wouldn't talk too much about the NCAA's as Bill's teams Flame out in the First weekend 50% of the time. Now a shinning record

Glen Miller 3 years, 9 months ago

I question his ability to make adjustments with his personnel. I honestly think that Self is so arrogant that he is stubborn. He feels his way is right and he feels that "his guys" should be on the floor. That's not going to change, unfortunately.

J.L. Forge 3 years, 9 months ago

Absolutely agree, some of these decisions really seem baffling. Not sure why he is so high on Lucas for example. He did grab 9 boards I believe against ISU but other than that, he most definitely isn't a rebounding juggernaut, is a liability on offense, can't challenge or change shots, is more turnover prone fumbling the ball and isn't any better than a mediocre defender. Hunter is better in these categories and his stats in comparison show this from what I have seen. Same with Jamari, I am not sure why he is getting the nod as one of the 4 in the new big man rotation when he is 6'6-6'7 and not much help on either end of the floor other than he has a high motor at times. I just find it hard to believe that Diallo doesn't offer more benefit and upside (assuming he actually gets some game time and can get into the flow) here. I agree with folks on the defensive side, our guards consistently have issues keeping their man in front of them, preventing penetration and recovery defense which leaves perimeter shots open for the opposing team. No doubt Coach Self is stubborn and has his mind set on things but I still have to sit back in my recliner and wonder why. I'll give him the benefit to right the ship and cheer on the Hawks.....for now. lol RCJH!

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 9 months ago

Wow - Lucas and Traylor over Mickelson and Diallo. That should send a strong message to recruits and transfers...

Don't expect to sign any of the remaining bigs or get any big time transfers.

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

Why not a transfer? If experience is more valued than hype, transfers should be lining up. 4 star/ non OAD players should also look favorably at the notion that their maturation and hard work will be rewarded and not cast aside because a heralded recruit has arrived.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 9 months ago

" If experience is more valued than hype..."

If your statement is accurate then you've made a really good point. I'm just not sure how accurate it is. I still feel that Mickelson is a better player than Lucas but that is an opinion...not a fact. Personally, I like the fact that Self doesn't promise anyone minutes but at the same time, I don't believe Self has done a very good job developing any of this year's recruits.

Here is a link from the LJW that is interesting to read, especially the comment section. It's purely background material:

One side note, there has been two top 25 bigs that have decided to transfer in the first semester of this season and to the best of my knowledge, Self/staff haven't gone after even though post players seem to have been our main recruiting target.

Of course it's possible that HCBS didn't go after them for a variety of reasons.

Bee Bee 3 years, 9 months ago

None of the KU BIGS can play a lick. Diallo obviously has the most potential but is nowhere near playing like the #7 recruit. Sad state.

Jonathan Unruh 3 years, 9 months ago

Had we lost a game with Mickelson starting? Its so obvious the ball movement is better with him in the game. Also his shot blocking can set the tone for other bigs. We should be pressing and wearing out teams with all of. Extended talent.

Joshua Hann 3 years, 9 months ago

He started the West Virginia game though he only logged 5 minutes.

Jonathan Unruh 3 years, 9 months ago

Now the guards are communicating who they play best with? Thats not a good team concept. Graham should have sat down numerous times for vick to play. Mason too. If you keep making same dumb plays and there is no coaching/ consequences to be on the bench it hurts the whole team.

Cedric Spire 3 years, 9 months ago

Self has lost this team. What coach actually has a meeting with 4 starters and determinesee what is best for the team based off what they are comfortable with. Those four starters don't have the pressure of being yanked because he is playing favorites. Are guards play has been pathetic something needs to change. We need to develop players maybe we need to lose 3 or 4 more league games so we can start to develop are young talent.

Wtf!!!!!!!

Barry Weiss 3 years, 9 months ago

I have to agree with you Cedric. I'm a hugh Self fan, but when I read that last week that the decision of who would play going forward was based on this committee of four, one of whom was not even a regular starter, I was stunned. Not saying Coach did not have the final say but to put the whole decision out there to the public in that manner just seems wrong. I get it a coach calling in players to talk to them individually, but letting these four feel like they have that kind of control over decisions on the team is just baffling to me. Hey, I'm an old KU grad, what do I know. I do feel bad for Mickelson and Diallo and Svi. I thought they were going to be a big part of this team.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 9 months ago

There should be no doubt that these four would want to play with the players they are closer to and friends with then picking the players based solely on talent. Jamari has been here 5 years and Lucas has been here for 4 years.

I don't mind the players speaking their mind in private with HCBS but letting them come together as a group and making the call is really stunning.

I wonder how these players feel about their decision to play at Kansas: Mickelson, Diallo, Vick, Bragg and Svi? Actually, those five players might give KU's starting lineup a run for their money. Doubt they would win but it would be interesting.

Allin Herring 3 years, 9 months ago

Wow if this is true sure sounds alot like a dumb *ss football coach we had. Only thing missing is holding hands and hugging. Self buck up and start making some ghttps://tpc.googlesyndication.com/simgad/5815394352965540351ood coaching decisions and improve you player rotations

Suzi Marshall 3 years, 9 months ago

Self is our highly successful head coach but in this case it sounds like a bunch of BS. Everybody is under pressure and it's the content of one's character how you react to that pressure. Failure to achieve desire results under pressure is one thing. Failure to give it your best effort under pressure is an entirely different thing. It's our starting guards, giving minimal effort in critical stretches, that has been the major problem. No team can win with our guard play. With the character of this team and the recruiting front not looking great, it looks like KU basketball might be in for a rough couple of years, relatively speaking. KU fans are going to need to be satisfied with just making the NCAA Tournament and perhaps a first round win.

Mykailiuk has made plays in the limited time he's been in games. Not hitting open shots has been frustrating for everyone. I don't see where Mykailiuk's defense has been any worse than the other guards, all of whom have tons more experience.

Tyson Ailshie 3 years, 9 months ago

7 years down, only 13 more to wait for another National Championship since they only come around every 20 years (1988, 2008)

John Boyle 3 years, 9 months ago

Suzi, I usually agree with your post but you are way off on this one. Svi cannot guard his own shadow. His ball handling is suspect when guarded by a quality defender. The only thing he has going for him is his shooting ability and that has not been there last season or this season. He hasn't earned the right play. Green always gets bashed for his defense and in many cases rightfully so but at least he can make up for it on the offensive side.

Suzi Marshall 3 years, 9 months ago

Your probably right but Mykailiuk always gives his best effort. Seldom, Mason, Graham and Greene far too often play lazy, i.e. per Joe Ross. I'd rather have guys on the floor busting their behinds than guys loafing down the court allowing open 3s and layups.

Cedric Spire 3 years, 9 months ago

We will get zero top recruits running the team like this. Nothing about the Big 4 is team based it's 4 and everyone else. Those 4 are playing like they're entitled they have no reason to put out max effort they are going to get to play no matter what. How about setting Mason on bench for a whole game play Graham at the PG and Vick/Svi at the 2g. The Big 4 and their picks did nothing to prevent the same collapse at ISU that happened in the OSU game.

Joe Baker 3 years, 9 months ago

Actually, I'm encouraged that he is communicating with these players. I don't know that he gets the results needed. It sends an odd message, but I'm glad he is encouraging his players to communicate themselves. They need to put up now or shut-up. The head coach of one of the best programs in the nation has given them a chance to get involved with the process. They just aren't responding. There may be some stuff behind the scenes we board rats are not aware with the players. There's obviously discontent and individual issues that are contributing to the overall effectiveness of this team.

I give Self some credit to provide a way for the team to either put up or shut-up. He seems to be giving people chances, and they aren't able to produce. Maybe their mouths are writing checks they can't seem to cash right now. I don't believe there are any bad apples, but maturity levels are obviously a factor. These guys are growing up in front of our eyes. The cost is really hard for us to accept, but accept it we will.

I say to hell with it. Throw caution to the wind. Stop being the hunted and play with wreckless abandon. Go for it, let it all out, and forget the hype and pressure. Just play ball and have fun for the rest of the reason. Self allows to much psycho drama on this team. They are mental and tight right now, and it shows.

Jim Stauffer 3 years, 9 months ago

We will have to wait to see if any of his changes make a difference, but I am in the camp that suspects he has lost the team.

He has not pushed the buttons by using the bench as a tool to motivate.

Early season success when we played weak defenses combined with the luck of beating OU has led him to think these guys are better than they are.

There are at least 3 teams who have four players better than Frank, Devonte, Wayne and Perry and we all know who they are.

There are zero teams in this league who have a bench as good as Brannen, Svi, Cheick and Carlton, hey even Jamari. I also would love to see Vick get some PT, but understand everyone cannot play.

Coach better quit playing with his hands behind his back if he wants No. 12.

Dan Wasserman 3 years, 9 months ago

I was excited when the season started as I looked over the depth of this roster. I figured Self would play 9 or even 10 deep, and we'd wear down our opponents. The complete opposite seems to be happening!

  1. Mason is obviously playing too many minutes, and needs a rest now and then. Why not have Graham be the back up point guard? It's not as if we're seeing anything amazing when both of them are on the floor. Start Svi along with Mason. What do we have in Vick? We know he can shoot it and is very athletic, albeit a little careless. But can he not play 5 minutes a game to rest one of the starters?

  2. The big men situation is a disaster. Ellis has earned his minutes obviously, but he too is playing too many. Self has to trust Mickelson to relieve Ellis. I'm not a big fan of Lucas or Traylor. When they are on the court, you're limiting your offense because the defense knows they're not looking to score. I've liked seeing Bragg catch the ball around the free throw line, and deciding whether to shoot or pass. He has the awareness and skill set to be playing more minutes. If you're going to play Traylor or Lucas, is Diallo really that much worse?

  3. Self needs to loosen up the leash a heck of lot more for Greene, Svi, Bragg, and Diallo. He has these guys playing scared, because the first time they mess up, you see another player headed to the scorers table to check in.

  4. I'm sick and tired of hearing Self saying it's unfair to play the young guys in these tough, high pressure games. Guess what? There are no easy games on our schedule, except for maybe a couple bottom feeder teams. They have to learn somehow, right? Are you really losing that much when you have Mason drive the lane and get blocked? Or when Ellis tries to force a shot and it's a one and out? Or when Selden disappears for several minutes at a time, only to throw up a contested 3?

Mike Greer 3 years, 9 months ago

Er, uh, we already lost to a bottom feeder, fortunately or unfortunately, in the Big XII this year, even the bottom feeders have the ability to jump up and bite you in the shorts.

Drew Doerfler 3 years, 9 months ago

the sad part of this is the lack of growth of the team by doing it this way. Can anyone seriously say the team has improved as the season has progressed? in my opinion, the team looks worse now than it did earlier in the season. May we lose a game or 2 more playing the more talented players now to get them ready for the tournament? maybe. but we would be a much better team by the end of the year. and i'm sorry, but i'm tired of the first weekend flameouts by the ku teams in the tournament. and the way this team is playing right now, i can't see a deep run in the tournament this year either. and this was the year most people thought we could make a really deep run. if we don't this year, we are screwed. we have zero impact players coming in next year and we are losing our only dependable player in Ellis. and if self thinks this won't impact recruiting, he's nuts. he already can't recruit guards because of his system, and pretty soon, that will include bigs too. for having a veteran team, how many games have fans watched that was painful. i've stopped watching 2 games this year because it was such a horrible effort/game...and i've never done that EVER!

Greg Anderson 3 years, 9 months ago

Strictly from a basketball point of view, there's a reason Frank Mason was committed to Towson and Devonte Graham to Appalachian State before HCBS desperately got them to come to KU? Not sure what's going on with this group, a combination of things I guess. I do think the talent is down, our guards are getting owned and Seldon just hasn't developed as expected. Then Landen Lucas is your starting center, c'mon man! Ellis has been a rock but I'm confused with what HCBS is doing? There might be a better starting five on the bench! At least learn how to play defense.

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

There was a reason they committed to App St and Towson. They committed early, then improved by leaps and bounds. Big schools, Kansas among them, came calling, and won out over other offers.

Is all this news to you? If it is, maybe sharing your ideas in public isn't a good idea.

Jonathan Briles 3 years, 9 months ago

Was that last line really necessary? You could have left your comment to your first paragraph and made your point well enough. We are all fans of the same team just voicing frustrations. Show some respect Jay.

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

Respect is earned and reciprocated.. When people who obviously know nothing use terms like "desperately", they deserve what they get.

Dustin Peterson 3 years, 9 months ago

We are all fans of the same team. Was his vocabulary choice really so much worse than a person who can't decide between using a period or an ellipsis, or leaves their comma outside the quotation marks?

Brett McCabe 3 years, 9 months ago

...maybe sharing your ideas in public isn't a good idea.

At least the 100th time he's used that line.

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

It's something that applies to you every day. Sadly, you can't help yourself.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 9 months ago

This season is reading like 'One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest'..probably end the same way also.

Suzi Marshall 3 years, 9 months ago

That is a good analogy. The inmates have taken over the asylum and it gets crazier every game.

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

Nick Krug had to be laughing as he put this column together, It was sure to bring out the Chicken Littles in full force,

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

Good one...first name I saw as I scrolled back up my phone. Sorry Gary Bedore.

Lance Cheney 3 years, 9 months ago

If you don't know the difference between the photographer and the author, maybe sharing your ideas in public isn't a good idea...

See what I did there?

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

Added nothing basketball related? Yes, you did.

James Smith 3 years, 9 months ago

So Psycho Jay caught at his own game. You are so pathetic!!!

Mick Allen 3 years, 9 months ago

Frank was second team all Big 12 last year. Bad against ISU and WVU. Rest him a little more. Don't write him off yet.

Bob Hanneman 3 years, 9 months ago

I love Bill as a coach, but I disagree this time. Lucas and Traylor both just play big minutes and both come out with 2 points and 4 fouls each. This is not contributing much to the team. Mickelson deserves to start over Lucas. He can score and block shots. Bragg and Diallo should split time as they grow into their positions. They need the minutes to improve and both have a huge upside as they mature. If we don't play any underclassmen, what are we going to do next year? Perry and Mason are consistent, but Seldon and Graham are streaky. If we don't get it figured out soon, we are not even going to win the division, let alone a championship.

Robert Brock 3 years, 9 months ago

Lucas did a great job of defending McKay. I doubt that Mickelson would have fared well. Lucas is a rebounder; Mickelson, not so much.

Diallo is still clueless and it is late in January. Doesn't look like he will contribute this year and he probably will declare for the professional league in the next sixty days. His recruitment was a bust. Snacks needs to get to work...

Kent Richardson 3 years, 9 months ago

Clearly this is a veteran players decision as to the rotation. Did Greene get caught in the same thing andspoke out? Self thinks I better play Jamari and Landon because they are the veterans guys or else. Can the staff ask that question?

Tyson Ailshie 3 years, 9 months ago

I've been watching C5 closely last three games. Really since HCBS has been committed to playing Landen and Jamari. And outside of LL's decent rebounding, I see NO upside at all. I really just don't understand BS not using Mickelson and Diallo first. I know Diallo doesn't know the offensive sets very well, but isn't that what the veterans are there for? I mean, what the heck does this team practice anyway? Diallo is incredibly talented. He should be able to pick up most of the offensive sets with the right help. And I know Mickelson fouls a lot cuz he gets beat on D and swats at the ball, but c'mon BS. He's got an offensive game. He has an actually shot. LL and JT have no shot and absolutely no vertical. LL can not even get an inch off the court when he jumps. What's that about? What do you think Kent?

Barry Weiss 3 years, 9 months ago

I think you got it right Tyson. This just baffles me. It's like we are accepting a position in the middle of the b-12. We have shown that with this veteran team, this is where we will be. I was convinced after Lucas putting up all of 2 points over the last two games that Coach would say, ok, we need to try Diallo. No doubt in my mind Diallo would have got just as many rebounds as Lucas, added 4-5 blocked shots and 10 points or more. This just sucks.

Tyson Ailshie 3 years, 9 months ago

Why do you suppose Diallo doesn't know the plays yet, Barry? Surely, it doesn't take more than 8 weeks with the proper coaching and veteran mentorship? And, why do you suppose the 4 veteran players don't want to play with him? Just because he doesn't know where to be all the time yet? That seems like a convenient excuse. Get him up to speed and let's go play some ball!

Barry Weiss 3 years, 9 months ago

tyson, I hate to say this, but I think there is a definite division that has formed on this team. Coach Self's untouchable 4 and the the rest of the team. I think the untouchable 4 want their points each game more that dishing off to Diallo for a jam. I've seen at least 3 times this year when one of them was driving, the defender was with them, Diallo was all along streaking within steps, and the vet would not pass, instead drew the foul. It stinks "if" that is going on and some of these players are putting their own game above the team. To me that is why Coach should have kept the options open for those not playing team ball. Diallo has looked not more lost than Oubre did last year. They are both scoring machines, give them the dang ball!

Kent Richardson 3 years, 9 months ago

I don't understand the Mickelson snub. It's not a ability thing or a performance thing either. Self is not blind because he started Hunter repeatedly. If what Self is saying about a comfort level with upperclassmen then they could only stand Hunter for about 5 minutes and now not at all. Just doesn't add up. You get better by playing don't you? Landon is at his ceiling it looks like. Does anyone think that Diallo or Hunter would not get 8-10 boards in 20+ minutes a game? I would feel safe saying they would get more than 2 points a game and more like 10. I think the guards won't go inside to them in our lame offense and Bill knows that. Hell even Perry has to come out to the three point line to get a pass. You tell me Tyson I think I must be crazy when I go with what I am seeing and no change or improvement game after game.

Barry Weiss 3 years, 9 months ago

I agree 100% Kent. Baffling. I could understand this if Lucas and Traylor were tearing it up and we were winning. But they are not and therefore we need Mickelson and Diallo. Just very strange.

Tyson Ailshie 3 years, 9 months ago

Totally agree with you both. It is such a conundrum at this point. I hope there is no discord on this team, but I wouldn't rule it out. You have to play Diallo at this point or the losses will continue to stack up. You make a good point about him pulling down just as many boards. And I bet he could pull down 10 boards within 20 minutes rather than the 10 LL compiles all game. Anyone not blind can see, there is WAY more upside to playing Diallo major minutes at this point. I also think, if BS did, we would see better defense and our offensive boards would go way up. Let's see what happens Saturday. I'll be on the game day discussion board.

Joe Joseph 3 years, 9 months ago

No doubt we are all spoiled as KU fans. Bill Self is one of the top-five coaches in the game today and this season is far from being a complete wash. Plenty of opportunity for Self to mold this team into something special.

However, given the time these players have had together, I'm at a complete loss for this lack of cohesion that Self seems to be admitting.

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

It's not hard to imagine where players who were less feted coming into college and had to work for minutes feel like others should have to do the same....

Joe Ross 3 years, 9 months ago

If Diallo doesn't play enough to grow to a flow and comfort level, there are no hopes for a title.

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

You're better than that kind of hyperbole.

Brett McCabe 3 years, 9 months ago

Joe J. and Joe R. - You've hit upon something in that, whatever the solution is, it's concerning that we haven't been able to find the right grouping at this late date.

With WVU and ISU still coming to town, plus what now appears to be a lock for a losing record on the road, a 10-8 conference record is not out of the question.

Can we regroup? Of course. Perhaps the long week or both rest and practice can reset the team.

Bee Bee 3 years, 9 months ago

Unless Diallo turns into Wilt, there is zero chance for NCAA title and a slim chance for the Big 12 title.

Barry Weiss 3 years, 9 months ago

I was thinking yesterday that unless Diallo was put in now and gained the experience he needs, our run in the dance will be short. We know what we have with Lucas and I like the kid, but we are struggling in the b-12 with him at the 5. Diallo and Mickelson have so much more upside. Screw these "vets who feel more comfortable with this person or that person" Total BS. Those vets need to learn to work with our best athletes. I'm bummed.

Joe Ross 3 years, 9 months ago

When spark plugs lose their spark, you change them. We've got a upperclass-laden crop of big men who show the fight of lost freshmen, and as long as we have that you may as well put one in that has potential to provide energy, play the paint area, and is unfazed by poor game circumstance. Diallo is all of those things, but he sorely lacks experience. The veterans' experience is not showing itself. They've become lazy in their blue uniforms, except for Perry Ellis. If title hopes hinge on these guys you can forget it. The conference streak ends this year as well. And none of this is exaggeration.

Barry Weiss 3 years, 9 months ago

totally agree Joe. I'm at a loss over the Diallo deal. I think he has looked legit in the few minutes he's had. No worse than any other freshman, grabbing a lot of rebounds, blocking shots, step-back jumpers, sheesh….poof…all gone. just bummed. free diallo!

Suzi Marshall 3 years, 9 months ago

Exactly what I said the other day. I most most focused on Mason's loafing around the court during the critical run WVa moved ahead in the second half. The only reason I focused on Mason was because it was so uncharacteristic and thought he must be hurt. However, Seldom and Graham have not been buying it up in the energy department.

The team moral is as low as any Kansas team I've ever seen, even from the Ted Owens period.

Layne Pierce 3 years, 9 months ago

Two additional things to think about: 1) Somebody, probably Selden, and or Mason, stopped the middle of the set play and jacked up contested 3. Larry Brown, or Roy Williams both would have set that person down for a considerable period of time.

2) The 3 guard lineup is necessary simply because none of the 3 are good enough by themselves.

3) This team always panics on the road. And that is because they really don't trust each other.
In short, this is not a team, but merely a bunch of decent parts.

4) Coach Self is already starting to make excuses and let us down slowly but surely that this team simply does not have it, the talent is adequate, but the heart and the teamwork, and the will to succeed the right way, simply is not there.

5) Since Diallo did not get a fair break at the beginning of the year, it is said that now he can't get a little compensation from his coach. Against TCU or Texas Tech. Coach should just start Svi, Cheick and Carlton,Graham and Green. Svi can play the two. And let them try to win the damn game. If nothing else it will help later. By then we may be out of the race for 1st place anyway, and if so, who cares whether we finish 2nd or 3rd, especially if we do not begin to get better. Better being stop panicking, run the damn offense, and believe. Rebound on the offensive boards, which we are terrible at, play defense like you mean it. Get a little fired up and angry once in a while.

As far as recruiting goes, we have enough talent, already for next year, if Diallo does not go, and Svi comes back, but we will not succeed without a defensive guard. Mason and Graham and Selden all get broken down. Selden used to play really good defense. Now he does about 50 percent of the time.

James Moore 3 years, 9 months ago

I'm sick of this BS. Self has gotten a pass since he won the title in 08. He's had teams that just didn't grow and in the end you saw the outcome, losing early in the tournament to younger and hungrier teams that had grown together. We have a few juniors and seniors that have peaked. Is Mason really going to get any taller? Or Perry for that matter? They have this thing called a CEILING, hence why they are not in the NBA nor will they ever be. We have two guys on the bench that have tremendously high ceilings in Bragg and Diallo, yes, they aren't polished now, but I would have to think playing time would help that. Our offense looks stale playing 4 on 5, and yes, we hit some jumpers to make it look pretty in the first half, but when they stopped falling in the 2nd half, we looked pretty crummy. It'd sure be nice to have another guy in the post that can score, or just another guy on the floor that can score period. Play your best players Bill!!

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

Winning 11 straight conference titles and having the best winning percentage in college basketball would get any coach "a pass".

James Smith 3 years, 9 months ago

What now it is only 11 straight championship??? Psycho Jay we have you saying 12 earlier. What's up with your facts??? You crap on everyone about what they say and you are never wrong. But yes caught again. Hey how is our Graham the shut down guard doing. Just keep up your so called always right comments. By the way I ran into your mom and she is thinking about asking you to move out. May want to start packing.

Armen Kurdian 3 years, 9 months ago

It's a tricky situation. You don't have a lot of garbage time in Big XII play, so you don't have the time to develop players per se. Yet you don't want to run your starting 5 into the ground. Did we just get gassed in the 2nd half? Throughout the whole ISU game we were getting beat in transition, and ISU does it to us every year. A couple of 50/50 balls we didn't get in the defensive end of the floor turned into offensive boards for ISU and a couple of threes. It seemed our energy level was high but it got sloppy with 15-7 deficit in TOs.

I think you have to play 9 at least. Got to give them at least a few minutes each. Sitting Svi, Hunter, or CD for a whole game is counterproductive. Have to get to the core of what's slowing down Frank & Perry. I have to keep reminding myself that these guys are still very young, and they are going to make mistakes. Play with effort & energy & positive emotion. Maybe coach is getting too upset due to mistakes during the game?

I just want to see us play well, hard, beat good teams, and don't fall apart. No shame in losing to good teams, just don't make it easy for them.

Scott Smetana 3 years, 9 months ago

Mickelson!!!!!! Lucas serves no purpose on offense except to set moving screens..

Glen Miller 3 years, 9 months ago

And we wonder why recruits don't come here. If they are watching the games and reading garbage like this, I don't blame them. Alexander, Diallo and Bragg have all struggled to get on the floor as freshmen big men. Some of it is that they are young, I get it...... but I doubt that any recruit in the nation is looking on and feeling impressed by our big man play, development and rotation. We USED to be Big Man U....... when Danny Manning was here. Hasn't been even close to the same since. No development of any kind, only natural progression from what I see. It's becoming concerning and I think getting someone who is qualified to coach our bigs is paramount. With all the players we are losing going into next year, I just don't see why one of the big men still available hasn't commited to us. Even if Bragg and Diallo stay, they are all we got. I think losing Embiid after 1 year really jacked up Self's plans. I really don't think he expected to be without him last year and felt that He'd be bringing in other top rated bigs. I'm befuddled by our lack of recruiting commitments at this point. 1 player and he's not even top 100. That's just not KU like.

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

"And we wonder why recruits don't come here."

Do you mean the two McD All American freshmen this year? The Two last year along with the Ukrainian National team player? The Top recruit the year before when the #1 and #3 NBA picks that spring were Jayhawks?

Dude, that was beyond stupid.

Brett McCabe 3 years, 9 months ago

Which of those recruits are currently contributing? Oh right, none of them. Recruiting success isn't defined by ranking, it's defined by talent.

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

That might have been the stupidest thing you've said yet Brett, no small feat. The #1 and #3 NBA picks didn't have talent? The NBA rookie of the year lacked talent? Oubre had no talent, yet he went 15th overall?

If Diallo, Bragg and Svi have no talent, why are you Chicken Littles wailing about their playing time?

It's been quoted a few times but it applies to you so perfectly it bears repeating,...Perhaps posting your thoughts in public is a bad idea. Really. Trying to justify your own absurd comments is impossible enough for you without trying to play hero with other's, just because I've shown them as flawed. Show some self control and spare yourself the humiliation. It's becoming painful to see you do this, and to have to be connected. Please. Try your weak nonsensical insults and arguments on someone else.

Kristen Downing 3 years, 9 months ago

Wiggins came mostly because his brother was at WSU. Parents liked seeing them both play in close proximity. That was the deciding factor in KU's favor.

Tom Jones 3 years, 9 months ago

False. The deciding factors were Bill Self and KU not being sleazy.

James Smith 3 years, 9 months ago

So Psycho Jay who is coming next year? Why would anyone?

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

Next year probable lineup.

Mason, Graham, Svi, Green, Vick, Bragg, Diallo, Lucas, Coleby, Lightfoot (that's assuming Selden leaves)

Only a player that expects zero playing time would want to. No rational ( a concept outside your grasp to be sure) player will commit unless at least a few of those declare for the draft. Only a complete idiot (something you personify) expects recruits will sign before then.

Jerry Walker 3 years, 9 months ago

That's a pretty strong case of hyperbole, panic and mind reading.

Clara Westphal 3 years, 9 months ago

If the team members are deciding who plays, that is a bad idea. That is the coach's job. Mickelson should be playing.

What is going on in practice that Diallo and Bragg haven't improved enough to play in games? They apparently aren't getting any help. . They are not dumb; they should have learned all the plays by now and be playing every game.

Self talked about putting the freshmen in games because they couldn't ;handle the pressure. Then he puts them in the Okie State game in Stillwater, lets them sit at the next home game and then puts Diallo in the Iowa State game in Ames. Talk about pressure games. Why didn't play them at home?

Who is the big man's coach? Ever since Danny Manning left, KU's big men have struggled.

Jerry Gardinier 3 years, 9 months ago

Ok, I sat back long enough. HCBS's big four - Lucas, Traylor, Bragg, Ellis? Only two of those make any sense. I'm sorry but Lucas and Traylor absolutely suck. Why does BS play people because he thinks he owes them? Traylor's attitude is horrible. His only ability is to foul. Don't believe me, watch him. Lucas shoots and instead of following his shot and getting a rebound, turns and heads to play defense before the ball hits the rim. He can't hang on to a ball to save his life. Lastly, the heart of this team is dying. No one fears the Jayhawks anymore. The only thing holding this team together is Allen Fieldhouse.
I'm a die hard KU fan. However, any away game they play, I hit record and wait to read how they blew a lead and let the other team win. I'm really surprised they haven't had one of those player only meetings.

Jerry Walker 3 years, 9 months ago

"I'm a die hard KU fan. However, any away game they play, I hit record and wait to read how they blew a lead and let the other team win."

Perfect description of a bandwagon fan.

Jaston Archie 3 years, 9 months ago

I'm done with trying to be rational when the head coach is the dumbest person in the world. I have lost all respect for Bill Self and as long as he's the head coach I just can't joyfully support this team. I feel like an American who has a nut job as the President, I love my country but disagree with everything that's going on. Here's some good news for everybody, this is my very last post! Adios!

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

"I'm done with trying to be rational when the head coach is the dumbest person in the world."

You've summed yourself up perfectly Jaston. Nicely done.

DaNeille Dani Davis 3 years, 9 months ago

I'm disappointed in the coaching staff in that they haven't been giving any playing time to Svi, Cheick, and Carlton to let them develop. You have the McDonald's MVP and he isn't even getting on the court!?? Why on earth would a MAA want to come to KU now after seeing projected NBA guys riding the pine?? We are going to be in trouble come tournament time with hardly anyone being able to come off the bench to provide valuable minutes, scoring, and defense. If you keep pulling them the minute they make a mistake, you make them play scared. Pull Mason or Graham the minute they make a mistake! They've made a ton of them lately!! Time to give some of these other guys a chance to play through mistakes, gain valuable game experience (which we will need come tournament time), and build a little confidence in them. Now beat the crap out of Kentucky!!!

Joseph Bullock 3 years, 9 months ago

Cedric, How you can include Perry Ellis in your statement about people not giving maximum effort, is beyond reality! Lucus gives effort, but is limited offensively. Mason give a ton of effort, but he needs to learn the 'team concept' on offense, so I would ya k him when he plays selfishly. But Graham often gets beat off the dribble, and plays matador defense, or dribbles too much, without a plan of attack, and I would bench him for both of those things! I would like to see Hunter and Vick, and Svi, playing good minutes!

Chandler Accipiter 3 years, 9 months ago

Do we get Nic Moore back for the tourney? SMU won't be needing him, and can Coach Brown come with him?

Harlan Hobbs 3 years, 9 months ago

Aren't too many posts worth reading today so I only scanned a few. I always look to see what Joe Ross and a few others have to say.

Joe made the most pithy remark regarding Cheick. He undoubtedly has mounds of potential, but in the eyes of those who really matter, i.e. the coaching staff, he isn't consistent enough to give substantial minutes to him. Yet, I agree that KU's potential is very limited unless Cheick could get into the flow and become a factor.

Almost everybody tightens up their rotation at this time of the year. KU is simply not going to rotate 6 guys. Given that we have an unusual amount of experience up front, the decision has apparently been made to go with it.

The key to success now is returning to better ball handling and defense. As others have said, both areas have deteriorated as the season has progressed.

I just wish the personal venom that is spewed toward the individual players and coaching staff would cease. Go ahead and disagree with decisions if you want, but please shelve the words like "he sucks" or "he doesn't have a clue" because frankly most of those phrases could be used to describe most of us fans who couldn't coach our way out of a bathroom, myself included.

Janet Olin 3 years, 9 months ago

I agree with all your points. Coach is human and stubborn, hates to change what worked in the past, but sometimes needs to be adjusted with each year's group. Yet his successful record shows he knows how to win. There is a trust issue here. I don't know whether it's among the players or with the coach. It was telling that Coach said in a recent interview players are asking him what will happen if they play how he wants and someone else on court doesn't. He replied they have to trust. Seems trust isn't happening in either direction.

Dale Koch 3 years, 9 months ago

What if Bill knows he's checking out and going to the NBA and simply doesn't care??? I hope not, but who knows. This has certainly been a different season, with what we thought was such a great team...

Gregor Southard 3 years, 9 months ago

A couple of things bother me about what Self is saying: one he is letting his players decide who gets playing time (blow out losses to OSU and ISU followed) and two, it should be Mickleson and Bragg not Lucas and Traylor getting the minutes, and three oh by the way, I guess Self missed the fact that KU is undefeated when Mickleson starts. I guess he's worried more about a few players feelings than the chemistry of the team.

Mark Rein 3 years, 9 months ago

Why has Hunter Michelson sat on the bench for the last 4 games with absolutely no meaningful minutes? He started most games all fall. I also wonder why the media has not asked this question of Self. Hunter had a great summer, and a good fall. He is the tallest man on the team and is the only one who consistently guards the rim. His blocks and steals create transition. He has good hands and can hit a shot. Why isn't he in the rotation? I feel bad for Hunter. He doesn't deserve this treatment. I also think we are missing our "Big Man coach", Danny Manning, more than ever...

Barry Weiss 3 years, 9 months ago

mark, on the games I have watched, Fran Frachella and the "you are looking live" guy have brought up the point about Diallo sitting a lot. They seem as perplexed as us fans. I think it comes down to the special 4 don't want another scoring machine out there because often Diallo does take it to the hoop like an alpha dog as opposed to kicking it back out to the guards to launch a 3. So I think they see him as a threat to their personal score totals.

Bill Anthony 3 years, 9 months ago

After reading Coach Self's explanations for his coaching decisions, and the reasoned comments on those decisions by the posters, I must admit that I get confused and unsure of what's the best coaching approach. Perhaps it would help if the posters stated their particular expertise so I can weigh the validity of their arguments against those of the team coach. Maybe personal introductions would help. Something like...

 I played backup point guard on my high school basketball team and we made it all the way to the state semi-finals, therefore I know a thing or two about what it takes to play off the bench.

or

I coached a Parks and Rec team that won our league so know how to help kids develop their talent and how to get people to play together.

or

I selected the players for my team at a neighborhood park pickup game and we won so clearly I know about recruiting and team composition.

or

My dad's a coach so...

or

I don't really have any clue about coaching high level college basketball, but have watched a lot of games. So, since I'm upset that KU is not currently winning as many games as I want them to, I am compelled to offer my poorly informed opinion on this site because I'm a fan and it's my right, and so that our stupid, ignorant, losing, arrogant, pig-headed, floundering, clueless, talentless, lucky to have won any games at all let alone so darn many, coach can read my incisive remarks and get things back on track. And though a hearty "hear, hear" will be appreciated, you needn't bother. My true reward will be in knowing that I helped lead this team to the next 5 national championships.

Kelly Pierce 3 years, 9 months ago

I am a high school coach for over 20 years and have been Coach Self's biggest advocate over the years, but something is wrong. He has always coached to the ceiling of his teams and they have always developed over the course of the season, usually by conference time. However, with this group he is not even giving most of the talented players court time. He has always been loyal to his players and made them earn their time, but now it seems that he is giving time to players who are not performing and not giving players with a higher ceiling a chance to take those minutes. I know I am not at practice and as a coach that is very much where players earn minutes, but if Graham, Lucas, Traylor, and Seldon are practicing like they are playing in games, they must be some terrible practices.

Suzi Marshall 3 years, 9 months ago

My son is a current KU student so we have been on campus a lot over the past few years. You are correct there is something wrong with the team. There is a lot of hearsay and scuttle but going around campus about some of the players, which is why I won't repeat anything. Basically it comes down to lack of leadership.

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

Good news!

According to the Chicken Littles, Coach Self does in fact read these forums looking for ways to improve his coaching strategy. AD Zenger also, so it's said, uses these forums to determine Coach Self's job status.

Your "true reward" notion is real!!! So say the Chicken Littles....

Barry Weiss 3 years, 9 months ago

This just really bums me out. I have nothing else to say. Ok, we are doomed. I can't believe Diallo, Bragg and Svi are out of the mix this bad.

Rob Bedford III 3 years, 9 months ago

Just wait until next year when Self runs the offense through Lucas.

Michael Sillman 3 years, 9 months ago

Roy Williams had a great trick to motivate his star players when they became sluggish and lethargic. He would gather five walk ins at the bench and tell them to go play like fiends for 3 minutes to show the starters what hustle looks like.

I feel like Self is doing the opposite by rewarding his favorite four with unlimited playing time regardless of results.

Self calls the three point shot fool's gold and then plays two guys at the 5 spot that have no chance at scoring in the post.

Self says Mason looks worn out but keeps playing him for extended minutes.

I'm confused as to why Self thinks his strategy will work. I guess we'll see. I hope that I am wrong and settling on this particular short rotation works.

Barry Weiss 3 years, 9 months ago

this one is a hard to understand. winning solves alot, so maybe if we win against Kentucky with this new format, then pick up a few road wins, all will be fine in Jayhawk land.

Barry Weiss 3 years, 9 months ago

scroll to just below this article to the "more like this story on KUsports.com" and look at the article "Freshmen Diallo and Bragg make case(s) to start.

My how things have changed in less than two weeks. Sad.

Mike Barnhart 3 years, 9 months ago

Our team sucks! It's hopeless... or is it:

On July 22, 2014, the Royals had just lost their 10th game out of the last 13. They decided to hold a team meeting. Grizzled veteran Raul Ibanez pointed out that the team was far more talented than their record and needed to realize how much fear they elicited in their opponents. Since then, they've won more games than anyone else in baseball and were about 70 feet away from back to back World Championships!

On October 19th, 2015, the Chiefs were 1-5. Andy Reid was ridiculed by everyone with a microphone or a newspaper column. They won their next 11 games including their fist playoff game in over 20 years.

Maybe this is our fate! Maybe January 25th will be remembered as the turning point for the Jayhawks.

Harlan Hobbs 3 years, 9 months ago

Can agree in part with everyone who posted after me. Plus the comments show a focus on reasonable factors, even though we have several different opinions. Nevertheless, what we all have in common is that we pull wholeheartedly for KU and really want them to achieve their goals.

I have to keep reminding myself that KU basketball is not my livelihood, but it is for the coaching staff and to some degree the players as well, even those who don't have aspirations of playing beyond college.

One thing that has always impressed me about KU basketball is that, with only a few minor exceptions, we recruit young men who have character and the proper competitive mind set.

We all have our favorite players going back over the years, and I'll bet that many of them are guys who got the most our of their abilities even if those abilities were limited compared to others.

In my lifetime, KU has only had six head coaches, from Phog Allen to Bill Self, and four of the six are already, or will be some day, in the Hall of Fame. That is simply amazing and probably one of the main reasons that there is so much tradition here.

Brian Skelly 3 years, 9 months ago

While by function shorting the bench makes sense and is quite normal for most teams come conference schedule time, Self's unwillingness to play his bench this year has been a significant reason we're in the position were in. We've been losing games because of the play of Mason, Graham, Seldon primarily, not because of our bigs or our bench. Self for some reason, more than any other season recently has no faith in his bench. I dont think thats justified, but it really doesnt matter what I think. Only what he thinks.

I am curious as to what needs to happen in order for that to change. I still think we play best when Mickleson is our 'big'. Lucas is our biggest 'big', Traylor our most energetic, and Diallo our most talented. All four are flawed, which makes mixing and matching a chore. But Self hasnt mastered it this year, for reasons I dont understand.

We need to give Mason, Graham, and Seldon more rest (or just bench time) even if its only a few minutes here and there. Those three look spent already and we have a month to go yet.

Barry Weiss 3 years, 9 months ago

It is strange, that just a couple of games ago Self was singing the praises of Diallo and Bragg and now they are dog meat. Something went wrong somewhere.

Yonatan Negash 3 years, 9 months ago

Kansas is quickly becoming a "career killer" basketball program.

I'm beginning to see why top recruits are not committing to Kansas.

May also explain why we currently don't have any top recruits commit this year.

Think about it, as I see it the following cases have an alarming theme.

Cliff Alexander - Top three player coming out of high school After committing to Kansas, had trouble getting playing time and he wasn't drafted

Kelly Oubre - Top 10 player in high school, highly recruited and was projected to be a lottery pick. After committing to Kansas, he barely played the first 10 games of the season and fell out of the NBA lottery pick.

Svi Mykhailiuk was a heralded freshman coming to Kansas. Was project to be a lottery pick. After joining Kansas, dude is struggling and completely taken out of all NBA draft boards.

Cheick Diallo top 7 player coming to Kansas. Had so much hope, potential and talent. After joining Kansas, well you know the rest.

Carlton Bragg - Only time will tell

Hunter Mickelson - Why isn't he playing? Whenever he plays good things happen.

As I mentioned, there is a disturbing theme developing at Kansas. For some reason or another top recruits are suddenly forgetting play basketball.

Here is a hint of how the players feel about the system, you all remember the situation that took place with Brennan Greene. I can almost guarantee you there is a lot of similar frustrations taken place between the players and coach BS than we'll ever know.

In addition, not to mention the 10+ players that transferred from the program under BS coaching tenure.

At some point, BS has to take accountability and figure out why top recruits are no longer committing to Kansas, and most important figure out why the players we have are not successful. I also think that BS has to stop being such a control freak, let these guys play ball. Why the heck would anyone want to have a passive basketball players. Our players are so freaking afraid of making mistakes they play too passive. We all know what happens if/when a mistake is made, the player is quickly pulled out.

To do so, BS has to stop blaming the players.

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

Pure stupidity. Anything more specific only dignifies your idiocy.

Town Thomas 3 years, 9 months ago

I can see where you stand. But I haven't seen anything valuable and reasonable you have said.

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

I can't see where you stand. You haven't said anything. Did you have a point?

Brad Ballard 3 years, 9 months ago

What did he say that wasn't true Angry Jay?

Yonatan Negash 3 years, 9 months ago

Jay -

Are you responding to my post? If so, you don't know me dude. Do not ever call insult my posts. If you disagree with my comments, keep moving.

Justin Kruse 3 years, 9 months ago

I do think Landen played pretty well on the defensive end Monday night. But if you're talking about which players compliment each other well, I've got to think Hunter would be a better fit with Perry. He's got a good shot and can block on the other end. And, to me, he just brings an energy to the game. Monday might not have been a great fit for him getting a lot of minutes b/c of the quickness of ISU's bigs, but give him a shot.

Still love Bill Self and these Jayhawks, we've just hit a big funk. Can't wait to see them bust out of it in a big way!

Rock Chalk

Jared Reeves 3 years, 9 months ago

The guards stink, and we have too many big men. Seems like an opportunity to try something different...like playing 3 big men. But that would require creativity, of which Self has none.

Colby Hebert 3 years, 9 months ago

Have they lost a conference game at home yet? They are in a bit of a funk but the only real bad road loss is at Oklahoma State. Coach has lost there a lot, some alma mater curse or something.

They need to hold serve at home and steal a few more roads wins and they are right back in it.

As far as the ncaa tourney, this conference season is a grinder and will prepare them. Right now we have 4 teams who could be 1-2 seeds...

Why should we just throw in the towel and forfeit the season now?

Tony Bandle 3 years, 9 months ago

Allow me to summarize:

1] Coach Self is stubborn, bored, headed to the NBA, at a loss or has been substituted by an alien clone.

2] Landon Lucas can't score, can't score. can't score or can't score.

3] The guys not playing while on the bench [Cheick, Carlton, Hunter, Svi and Brannen] could probably compete for half the conference titles in Division 1.

4] Who saya coaches can't have off years [look at Calimari, Rat Face, Izzy, etc.]

5] Just a thought but maybe a ten man rotation would allow the bottom half to grow and play better, allow the top half to get a little rest and play better and allow the team as a whole to develope depth and play better. Just A Thought!!!!

6] I know it's counterproductive, immature and mean-spirited but sme of the poster "in your face insults" are pretty amusing. Please don't insult me, howewver because I may cry.

7] Odds are no one will see this post so let me add I stay at home, work one hour a week and bring in $100,000. Just hit the website www.ifyoubelievethishere'syourfreevir...

Doug Clark 3 years, 9 months ago

Why can't people respect others opinions even if they don't agree with them, why do you have to come on here and be a jackass and call names and fling insults, grow up. This is a basketball forum not a way for some people to feel better about themselves by bashing others, stick to the intended use of this site. As for the real issue, this is very alarming to me that a very successful coach would give 4 players this much control. Maybe if they were playing awesome ball and the others weren't then I might let it slide. With the exception of Perry, these guys have been playing like crap, so why are they entitled to decide who they are comfortable playing with? I played small college basketball and I didn't like every guy on the team and one guy in particular intimidated the coach and he hardly ever came out of the game because he acted like an ass whenever the coach took him out, needless to say we weren't very successful that year, but the next 2 years without him and most of the others returning we made the playoffs, which hadn't been accomplished at our school for 25 years. I think we have some poison apples in the bunch and the future doesn't look very bright. If it weren't for our home court I think we would've been 1-5 the last 6 games instead of 3-3. 3 of these guys will be here next year so why would Svi, Bragg, Diallo, and any good recruit want to be here with them? I think Coach has made a huge mistake by letting this happen and I am genuinely concerned about the future of our program, I hope I am wrong.

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

Didn't you just spend the first three sentences of your rant bashing people and calling them names? That makes you an idiot and a hypocrite, by your own standards. Sorry, your rant, not mine.

Doug Clark 3 years, 9 months ago

Someone earlier said that Svi isn't a good defender or ball handler, I respectfully disagree. He has decent foot quickness and doesn't get beat nearly as much as our 3 starting player/ coaches, or Greene. Remember the sweet spin move in the open court and layup a few games ago he had, and a couple other scoring drives he had that game? He has a decent handle and though his 3 hasn't been going down he has other weapons, unlike Greene. He just needs a longer leash and some actual meaningful game time instead of playing scared because coach yanks him out as soon as he makes a mistake. The same can be said for Bragg and Diallo. Everyone always talks about losing Perry, jamari, and hunter after this year but after this dysfunctional season what if Svi goes to Europe, and Bragg and Diallo transfer or enter the draft? We would be screwed for more than just next year. And who would blame any of the 3 if they left, why would any of them want to play with the 3 player/ coaches who basically said we aren't comfortable playing with you when all of them could be getting paid to sit the bench? None of them are ready for the NBA or pro leagues overseas but I guarantee you they would be drafted, and they would be getting paid to do what they are doing this year and they would have unlimited time to improve their game. I sure hope coach Self knows the can of worms he opened up and I hope it doesn't come back to bite him in the ass.I love coach and I love the Jayhawks and I would love nothing more than to be wrong about all of this. I hope things change and we get back on track.

Doug Clark 3 years, 9 months ago

Dude you have some serious issues, I didn't rant and bash people, and I definitely didn't do it for 3 sentences. I will lower myself to your standards one time and talk to you like you do to others on here time after time, I said jackasses, one word, not a rant, not bashing people, and I did it in one sentence not 3. Read it again and look for the period that signifies the end of a sentence, the first sentence, the rest of my post was about basketball. I have never and will never insult, belittle, or name call anyone because I disagree with their opinion or something they put on here about ku basketball, can you say the same? It really is a shame because you have some really good comments about the subject of ku basketball, you had one on here earlier, but you couldn't stick to that, your last word had to be an insult to someone, which makes whatever you said before that forgettable, which is sad. Have a good night.

Jay Scott 3 years, 9 months ago

"Why can't people respect others opinions even if they don't agree with them, why do you have to come on here and be a jackass and call names and fling insults, grow up. This is a basketball forum not a way for some people to feel better about themselves by bashing others, stick to the intended use of this site."

You were right. Only two sentences. Sanctimonious hypocrisy. The funniest.

Austin Gray 3 years, 9 months ago

Here's a thought about Lucas that I don't often see mentioned: When your 5 is not an offensive threat, you pretty much guarantee that the opposing team's big (who is almost certain to be more talented than Lucas) is not going to get in any kind of foul trouble. Plenty of teams in Big 12 play already have more talented centers than KU. Playing Lucas pretty much ensures that those players can stay in the game as long as they want.

Ted Collins 3 years, 9 months ago

Bottom line...HCBS is a really good recruiter and player manager, and a good, not great, strategic coach. He is extremely stubborn. He makes his mind up about certain players and oftentimes refuses to budge. He gets down on certain players and won't give them a chance to succeed. He is not a particularly good game strategist, nor does he make in-game adjustments particularly well. He refuses to play zone when it is an obvious choice.

He stepped into a great situation following Roy Williams and has, for the most part, kept it going with good recruiting. The best winning % in the country, I think, during his tenure. The fact of the matter is that he has been anointed and given a pass by much of the fan base, in part because we won the championship in 2008 when, by the way, we had the best, and most talented team, by far. Much of the fan base would be up in arms without the miraculous finish to that championship game.

We have had several other teams during his tenure that were also among the best if not the best, and most talented, in the country, that failed in the tournament. Having said that, in a one and done situation, there is a lot of luck involved...just look at Williams' tough losses; however, there are reasons why Izzo's and K's teams do so well in the tournament, and one of those is better coaching.

Back to this team...it has many weaknesses. Self's chosen golden boys, the 3 guards, are not as good as advertised, are very inconsistent, and he refuses to acknowledge it in the rotation. We cannot stop dribble penetration. We have no rim protector. We don't guard the three very well. And yet, as of this week, we are still ranked very high. So it's not a disaster. :)

Wow, some of that sounds really negative. I am not that down on Self or this team...we have some good kids...but those are the facts. Rock Chalk!

Alan Mills 3 years, 9 months ago

As a life-long Jayhawk fan and alum, it is becoming harder and harder to follow this forum. I have no doubt many are devoted fans who want only the best for their beloved Jayhawks. Having coached high school basketball in four states for over 20 years, I know that I do not know everything about the game. One thing I do know is that the players, more than any coach or fan or parent, want to win. I also know that for every parent or fan who really doesn't understand the game as well as they think, there is at least one parent or fan who does and truly cares. Because of that, I respect the thoughts and opinions of everyone I read here. However, the personal attacks, on players and coaches and especially other fans posting comments here, have become too much. Disagreement can be a catalyst for change and improvement, but personal insult and attack is usually a sign of weakness, insecurity, and fear.

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