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Wednesday, February 11, 2015

Report: KU assistant coach Jerrance Howard fined for drug offense

Kansas forward Tarik Black is helped off the court by assistant coach Jerrance Howard, right, and trainer Bill Cowgill after sustaining an injury during the second half on Monday, Jan. 20, 2014 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas forward Tarik Black is helped off the court by assistant coach Jerrance Howard, right, and trainer Bill Cowgill after sustaining an injury during the second half on Monday, Jan. 20, 2014 at Allen Fieldhouse.

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A Wednesday report from Kirk Wessler, of the Peoria Journal-Star, indicates that Kansas University men's basketball assistant coach Jerrance Howard pleaded guilty to misdemeanor drug possession in Illinois' Peoria County last summer.

According to the report, Howard, 34, was arrested in July 2014 for unlawful possession of cannabis and ordered to pay nearly $1,200 in fines and court fees and placed on six months of court supervision, which ends Friday.

KU coach Bill Self is aware of the incident and is in the process of learning more.

"I just found out about this late this afternoon. I'm certainly disappointed," Self told the Journal-World on Wednesday. "But it is a personnel matter and all personnel matters are handled internally. I won't have any further comment until we are able to gather more information."

Howard, a Peoria, Illinois native who played for Self at Illinois and served as a team captain, joined Self's coaching staff at KU prior to the 2013-14 season.

Comments

Andy Hess 4 years, 9 months ago

Misdemeanor? So, he had some weed. Big whoop.

Bill McGovern 4 years, 9 months ago

It's not like he was selling it to the players or anything lol

Aaron Paisley 4 years, 9 months ago

Agree with that law or not, it's illegal in Illinois. Jerrance Howard is in an authority position and held to a higher standard because of that authority he has. It's just not a smart decision from someone in Howard's position.

Gary McCullough 4 years, 9 months ago

The law needs to be changed. Illinois has legalized medical marijuana. Four states and the District of Columbia have legal weed. Fourteen states have decriminalized possession. The only question is whether the legalization of marijuana will progress as quickly as same sex marriage has. Even Texas is considering a medical marijuana bill this session. TEXAS? If the oil boom goes bust (of course) will the Lone Star State look to diversify the state economy? It's working for Colorado. Marijuana tourism is becoming a major source of revenue for the state.

Cody Riedy 4 years, 9 months ago

As has been explained articulately by several posters, this isn't a referendum on pot. I personally think that pot should be legal. In fact, I think the use of marijuana to incarcerate thousands of people a year is destructive moral ill itself. However, Self isn't considering public policy, he has to consider how this impacts his basketball program, which involves factors other than potential tax revenue on marijuana.

Jay Scott 4 years, 9 months ago

"The law needs to be changed" If someone want the law that bans killing people who make stupid comments changed, is that a valid argument?

Walter Bridges 4 years, 9 months ago

You may be right Gary in that the law needs changing but Aaron is correct that in illinois, it is illegal and in his position he needs to be held to a higher standard.

Steve Jacob 4 years, 9 months ago

If this is the first Bill heard of this he will be fired by the next tip-off.

Michael Sillman 4 years, 9 months ago

Agreed. If Howard did not tell Self right away, I would have to believe that he will be let go.

Cody Riedy 4 years, 9 months ago

Obviously, because of his specific job, this can't be ignored. But generally speaking I don't think people should lose their livelihood for something like this. If Self didn't know, then I think he'd have more cause for firing Howard for not revealing this more than he would have cause to fire Howard for the crime itself (i.e. one could argue that a significant penalty of some kind would be sufficient for the misdemeanor). If he'd told Self when it happened, they could have been in front of this, probably enforced a less harsh penalty, because they would have avoided the embarrassment and the inevitable suspicion that follows any time something is supposedly "uncovered".

Dale Rogers 4 years, 9 months ago

If it was hard drugs, then I'd say he's gone because of his position of setting an example. But this is more like running a stop sign and I don't think he'd be fired for that unless it resulted in someone getting seriously hurt. If you recall, Brady Morning star served a suspension for a DUI but was not kicked off the team.

Michael Lorraine 4 years, 9 months ago

This is less than running a stop sign or a dui.

Steve Zimmerman 4 years, 9 months ago

It can be a starting point to some. Once they can't get high enough, they'll try a stronger one. If it's for some medical treatment, it's a different story. Some of you might come from a culture where smoking weeds is a 'must' - at least once in your life, that's just too sad.

Aaron Paisley 4 years, 9 months ago

This is more than running a stop sign and on par with a DUI. Part of Jerrance Howard's job as an assistant is telling the players to make responsible decisions. This wasn't a responsible decision and it undermines his authority as an assistant coach when telling kids to make smart, responsible decisions.

Len Shaffer 4 years, 9 months ago

He should have told Self at the time, but to equate having a small amount of pot with a DUI is LUDICROUS. When you commit a DUI, you're basically putting a loaded weapon on the road and endangering yourself and others. Who does this hurt? It's high time (pun intended) that America joins the real world and legalizes marijuana. It's already happened in Colorado and Washington, and is bound to happen elsewhere soon.

Michael Lorraine 4 years, 9 months ago

Come on. The public safety implications of a dui or running a stop sign. I get your point but compared to smoking mj is not even close.

Dale Rogers 4 years, 9 months ago

If he swears to Self it won't happen again then I'd be in favor of giving him a second chance. Everyone deserves that. However, two strikes and you're yout.

Phil Leister 4 years, 9 months ago

The law in Illinois: "between 2.5 and ten grams of any substance that contains cannabis is a Class B misdemeanor and is punishable by a period of incarceration of up to six months and a fine of up to $1,500".

Who cares, it's a little weed. Lots of people smoke weed, he just got caught.

Aaron Paisley 4 years, 9 months ago

Here's the biggest issue here, Howard has a job in which part of his responsibilities include telling kids to make smart decisions. He has now lost that credibility because he hasn't made those same decisions. It does not matter what your opinion on the marijuana laws are, Jerrance Howard was in possession of something that was illegal in the place he was at. He made a very stupid decision and this is something that will negatively impact his ability to do his job going forward.

Steve Zimmerman 4 years, 9 months ago

Couldn't agree more with Aaron here. If you're not willing or ready to give up this kind of 'little bit of pleasure' then go find another job. He's supposed to be someone those kids look up to. He is in a coaching business.

John Boyle 4 years, 9 months ago

I agree with you agreeing with Aaron on this one Joe.

Walter Bridges 4 years, 9 months ago

Really Phil? Who cares? What is Bill Self's policy towards marijuana use?

That's who cares.

Gerry Butler 4 years, 9 months ago

who cares? well who should care is COACH SELF like some other posters have said the position he is in, this is not something where you can turn your head and say WELL ITS A LITTLE WEED. he is surpose to be an influence for the players a some what role model, he is a public figure on the KU coaching staff. you just don't say its just a LITTLE WEED.

Kevin Millikan 4 years, 9 months ago

Wow..pot..he was busted for pot..ohhhh.. so glad i don't freaking live there anymore!

Ray Winger 4 years, 9 months ago

Ask President Clinton. The tide has turned, states are legalizing, game suspension, do not hurt his career, and remember the last two words of the National Anthem....'Play Ball'.

Walter Bridges 4 years, 9 months ago

MLB and NFL players have faced significant suspensions for marijuana. Daryl Washington, Josh Gordon, are two of the most recent. Aldon Smith (due to past behavior) was suspended nine games for drinking.

What is probably more important than the law is team policy. Players and coaches not only hurt their own career but they hurt their teams as well.

And while states may be legalizing marijuana the federal government isn't. Personally, I think it's time to legalize marijuana but until it is in every state and federally, there are consequences that need to be addressed.

Erich Hartmann 4 years, 9 months ago

Here you go, just look above. Comments talking about responsibility, and then the comments minimizing the illegality, and then the little +1's added to those minimizing posts by those who support weed.

Let's word associate: "responsibility"/"responsible example" and "illegally buying & using pot". Or "University of Kansas" (the institution) vs. "use of illegal substances"? Or "assistant coach/leadership/mentor position to young men" vs. "use of illegal substances"? Or simply "setting an example" vs. "use of illegal substance(pot)"?

Stark enough for the doobie-bunch? Or in a phog?

Or, lets give him an "out" and say: "Aww, but isnt that a big cultural thing, like a lot of NFL players are trying to say?" A guy who is very close to our basketball players, the same players we need 100% focus & effort & intensity out of, and see what they try to get away with if we let their (asst) coach off the hook.

Ok, let's play devil's advocate here, and pretend and say its "now legal in KS to own/use pot, and the Univ. of KS will allow pot usage." Then lets see what y'all say about laccadaisical play then? It would be comical. Some people just cannot connect the dots between A + B = C, or cause/effect.

The worst of this for poor Jerrance Howard is that this was a former Self player, who full well knew of Self's strictness. I cant imagine Self wasnt the same Self at Illinois that he is at KU. Think: a former Self player gets caught, and he currently works for Self. People may assume that Self did know and allowed it, or worse, even condoned it.

And, no reefer-heads, this isnt about you or your 'freedoms'...its about image and alumni dollars and perceptions. And many of those people are way, way more conservative than you or me. I may type a few disagreeable strokes on a keyboard, but as a WilliamsFund guy, I can tell you you'd better be worried about the pen strokes on those donation cheques...

Did anyone else find it quite entertaining and enlightening when Colorado passed their law, and the local TV stations went around the gatherings in the parks in Denver and interviewed all those oddball characters that came out of the woodwork to rejoice about their sooo precious weed? Yep, pillars of society right there. Winners, right? Right?

Im in the medical profession, how about we let the surgeon take 6 "totes" off a joint before he operates on your kid's emergency appendix? Or you are on an airliner that does not have a Malaysian pilot, but an American one, who happens to reside in Colorado, and has a particular persuasion for a particular substance...And lets say he's attempting to land that plane at night, in the rain, in a crosswind...Or, lets get Dale Earnhardt, jr higher than a kite and then sit him in his 800+hp stock car and try to push 200mph...sound like a good idea?
Hey Im "freeing my mind" to all these ideas? Got any other good ones? (laughter)

Len Shaffer 4 years, 9 months ago

Erich, you make so many completely asinine statements, it's hard to know where to start.

All of your comments about a pilot or a doctor using weed before they work are irrelevant. Alcohol is legal, and they could just as easily have a six-pack before doing their job and it would be just as bad. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with having a little bit of weed that you use in your off hours.

The same thing can apply to the players. Of course I wouldn't want them to partake of the ganja before a game, but if they did and their playing suffered, it would affect playing time, etc. -- just like it would if they got drunk before a game.

As others have said, the biggest problem is Howard not being up front with Self about the situation, and for that he should be suspended for a few games. He should also be suspended for a game or two because he used poor judgment by doing something that is illegal. But to fire him for something so minor would be going way over the top, and I hope Self has a little more empathy than that.

I won't even get into all your judgments and bias towards pot users, because your ignorant use of stereotypes speaks for itself. And I say all this as someone who hasn't smoked pot since high school, which is more years ago than I care to remember.

Erich Hartmann 4 years, 9 months ago

Unfortunately, I think Jerrance gets the axe by Bill Self. Self cannot have people believing that he knew about this and condoned it. And seriously, Self is busy trying to sell "family atmosphere", send-your-young-son-to-our-KU-program, while one of the asst coaches got busted for an illegal substance.

Y'all dont think Self will fire Howard simply on principle, as this could easily hamper Self's recruiting efforts.

Sorry, Snacks, you are done. You dont make such mistakes at high-stakes, royalty level schools. Do you think it would be different at UNC or Duke? Dead-weight the minute this story broke. Thanks for getting us Cliff. Good luck to ya.

Michael Sillman 4 years, 9 months ago

The big issue is not the weed. It is whether Howard told Self about it.

If he did tell Self, then it is just a little weed.

If he did not tell Self, then what else will he hide from the Head Coach? Perhaps some recruiting violations?

Erich Hartmann 4 years, 9 months ago

Disagree. Assume he did tell Self: Well to a segment of the population, then it means Self is defacto accepting it, and that may create problems with some people (donors, alumni, potential recruits' parents) and how they would perceive Self when he opens his mouth about "family atmosphere" or "family values". Classic case of actions of a subordinate making his boss look bad.

Saying "just a little weed" is exactly the mistake a formal institution of higher learning will not make--you really think someone in Bernadette Gray-Little's position will officially say such or imply such? "Just a little weed..." is what an individual says in an attempt to downplay or justify their view (as you did so nicely). An institution cannot take the gray-area road that "weed" is. Acceptable to some, unacceptable to others. It has to take the high road. Hey, despite all the healthy debate that goes on in a university setting, (and all the pot and alcohol we know some students partake in since the '60s), you cannot seriously expect the University of KS to not take the high road on this gray-zone issue. And to be sure, there is NO gray zone in Illinois or Kansas regarding marijuana at the time of this occurrence or of this story.

Now on the totally flip side, I've heard that Colorado is making a killing on taxation of the marijuana, so given the fact that the KS state budget is a total wreck, maybe marijuana gets legalized in KS, as there are tens of millions of yearly tax dollars to be had for the state coiffers, right? Maybe y'all can form a coalition and call it the Blunt Party, hahahahaha!

Jory Collins 4 years, 9 months ago

If I would have been caught in my family with weed I don't think they would have thrown me out.

John Boyle 4 years, 9 months ago

Maybe they should have. Just kidding. They should give you love and support and teach you the error in your ways.

Erich Hartmann 4 years, 9 months ago

Why is it so important to some to champion getting 'high' on marijuana? Why? It leads to the inevitable question: What's it to ya & why is it so important to you? (be careful with your answer, please dont incriminate yourselves...)

Len Shaffer 4 years, 9 months ago

"What's it to ya & why is it so important to you?"

It's not a difficult question. It's called freedom, something conservatives love to scream about all the time. People should have the freedom to do what they want as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. And if someone wants to smoke pot to relax, he/she should have just as much right to do that as they do to have a beer or a glass of wine with dinner.

Walter Bridges 4 years, 9 months ago

Never let a chance to slip in your politics, right Len? So if your kid wants to try a little crack, what the hell. It's called freedom. He isn't hurting anyone else so knock yourself out kid.

Oh yeah, just pick and choose what laws fit your lifestyle.

Aaron Paisley 4 years, 9 months ago

"I just found out about this late this afternoon..." Bill Self's own words.

The rest of the comments seem to indicate that Howard did not inform Bill Self of the arrest or conviction at the time back in July when this happened. I've said this in other comments here, it doesn't matter what your stance on the legality of marijuana should be because that's not relevant to the actual issue at hand.

The actual issue at hand is that Jerrance Howard lied to his boss about an arrest and conviction of an offense by not telling him about it. Part of the job description for Jerrance Howard and the other coaches at KU, no matter the sport, is encouraging their players to make smart decisions and own up to their mistakes when they are made. Jerrance Howard has done neither of those things. He was arrested and convicted of something I'm sure he and the other coaches have specifically told their players not to do. He then lied to his by not saying anything about his arrest and conviction. There's no chance Bill Self can retain Howard after this without completely losing credibility and the ability to discipline kids without being a hypocrite about it. Don't be shocked if Howard is fired before the Baylor game because this just isn't something that can be overlooked or swept under the rug without doing major damage to KU's basketball program.

Suzi Marshall 4 years, 9 months ago

You nailed the root of the problem, not leveling with his boss. Howard's first call after the arrest should have been to Self with a completely honest report.

I agree with you that Self does not have much room to maneuver. I'm sure he does not want to lose Howard.

Aaron Paisley 4 years, 9 months ago

I'd love to get Vaughn if he's interested. Roy, Jerry Sloane, and Pop is a great combination of coaches to have learned from. He would also make the PG play improve significantly and us arguably a top 5 PG all time at KU.

Alex Wishart 4 years, 9 months ago

My guess is that he gets suspended for as many games as a player would and Bill moves on. I would put money on Bill reevaluating his position this summer. I highly doubt he gets fired... Even in conservative central. Don't forget this is our best recruiter... Since he's been here he helped to land a couple of GREAT classes. he's a major reason we are landing highly touted players. Remember those "down" years when we were only 5 deep? I, for one, don't want to go back to that just because of a minor mistake. Have I sold out? Hell yes! would I care if Kurtis Townsend got a DUI? Nope, not if he landed the top recruit in next years class. What if Bill Self comes clean on having a toupe? I don't give a care as long as we keep stacking up those conference titles and final four runs. Don't you think we can spin this? "Look how forgiving Bill Self is... Look how cool our assistant coaches are. Come play for us!"

Aaron Paisley 4 years, 9 months ago

So you want Bill Self to throw away his integrity because Howard is a good recruiter? Do you know where that road goes to? Vacated wins, post season bans, scholarship reductions. You start down this road, it can quickly spiral into situations that are difficult to recover from.

Tyler Capone 4 years, 9 months ago

Coach Self probably has a personal stash himself. After the 2 blowout losses to UK and Temple him and Coach Howard definitely got high LOL.

John Boyle 4 years, 9 months ago

Yeah, that's funny. NOT! Good try though. Don't give up your day job.

Alex Wishart 4 years, 9 months ago

Yes! I want Bill Self to "throw away his integrity"... Are you kidding me right now?! You sound ridiculous. Listen to yourself! Do you really think this will lead to postseason bans. Get a clue! You sound like one of those people who thinks weed is a gateway drug that leads to heroin addiction. C'mon man! Are you one of those dudes who thought we should jettison the Morri after an air soft incident? Did you think that Sherron should have been let go because his wang got loose in an elevator? People make mistakes... Why don't you rally behind a fellow Jayhawk and show support for a brother rather than standing on your feeble moral soapbox? RCJHKU!

John Boyle 4 years, 9 months ago

Maybe you should get off your "soapbox" and actually read and understand Aaron's post. He isn't saying this offense would lead to postseason bans, etc. He is saying if you go down the road of throwing away integrity then it leads to letting other things slip by and soon you are heading down the path to the postseason bans, etc. You can stand behind someone without whitewashing or condoning their activities. Sometimes a suspension isn't enough to "wake" someone up and to help them straight out their lives. Sometimes they have to hit rock bottom.

Aaron Paisley 4 years, 9 months ago

Reading comprehension fail. You are so focused on defending marijuana that you don't even understand how my comment makes sense or the issue at hand which is that Jerrance Howard LIED TO HIS BOSS about an arrest and conviction. That is not something Bill Self can ignore without sacrificing his integrity. Obviously this is not something that would be an NCAA violation, but if Self throws away his integrity on this matter, how long until Bill Self overlooks something that is an NCAA violation? That's the road that Bill Self throwing out his his integrity goes, not Howard becoming a coke head or a junkie.

Here's my feeble moral soapbox on marijuana. I personally don't smoke and I don't care if it's legal or not. If you do smoke, don't be stupid about it.

Alex Wishart 4 years, 9 months ago

Also, I wouldn't blame HCBS if he fired J How. I'm just not rooting for it...

Ashwin Rao 4 years, 9 months ago

Wow, great perspectives from both sides (to-fire/not-to fire). For me, I see both the sides, and I believe that there are merits to both, it would be a spur of the moment decision (any decision is not wrong in this case).

What I would do in that case is, as a punnishment, move Mr. Howard into a position that does not require daily contact with kids for a period of time (a year?) so showcase that the infraction will not go unnoticed. Not sure if Mr. Self has enough bandwidth to handle Mr. Howard's gap in day-to-day activities.

I wouldn't fire Howard for this, because everyone makes mistakes, and should be given another chance.

But then, I am not Self, so this is again "another perspective".

Rodney Crain 4 years, 9 months ago

The word that keeps rolling around for me is trust.

Let's set aside your personal feelings about weed, misdemeanors, and changing public opinion.

As a college institution KU, like all places of education has to maintain a trust with parents that their children's best interests are at the heart of the institution.

The coaches of a college athletic program are trusted to specifically watch out for their players. They are invited into their players homes, players know the coaches on a personal level and are expected to be their eyes and ears of parents on campus to make sure living and academic goals are being met.

The head coach is given a level of trust to run their program not only within the policies of the program, and the NCAA's guidelines but to maintain a level of transparency to self report and enforce violations if they become apparent.

Students are given a level of trust to maintain academic goals, but to also inform the program if mistakes are made so that guidance and assistance can be offered as soon as something happens.

In my view Howard's mistake is not what level of the law he broke, it is that he broke both the given and the earned trust with the head coach, the program, the students and their parents.

Say what you want about the offense, but a broken trust is not so easily repaired.

Walter Bridges 4 years, 9 months ago

Very well said! Not only did he break the law, but just as important he broke team policy.

As a coach, he is expected to lead by example, enforce team rules and as Rodney eloquently stated, he violated their trust.

John Fitzgerald 4 years, 9 months ago

Come on its just marijuana! It's legal in some states. I don't even smoke, and never will, but I still think they should legalize it in every state. Not like he was smoking crack or anything.

Robert Brock 4 years, 9 months ago

The issue is that Howard did not disclose his misdemeanor arrest to his employer. His arrest is a problem; failure to reveal it to HCBS makes it a fireable offense.

John Fitzgerald 4 years, 9 months ago

Yea I didn't read the whole article. That is a pretty big issue then. Not good though that guy is a heck of a recruiter.

Walter Bridges 4 years, 9 months ago

It's not legal in any state. Federal law trumps state law in this case. Plus as a member of the coaching staff, he is expected to follow team policy and to be held to a higher standard.

So it's NOT just marijuana.

Jonathan Allison 4 years, 9 months ago

do I think that Self will fire Howard? No. Do I think that he should fire Howard? I don't know.

I think that the punishment will be heavy. Indefinite suspension possibly through the end of the season. And I am definitely concerned with what this means for recruits such as Malik Newman, Brandon Ingram, Cheick Diallo, Stephen Zimmerman, Ivan Rabb, Diamond Stone, and Jaylen Brown.

It will also be interesting to see how much any of the current players' parents take issue. What does mommy and daddy Mykhailiuk think about this? What about Brannen's parents or Oubre's?

I think that Self can both retain Howard, and damage control this with parents of current and future Jayhawks, after all he and Norm both let their own son's play on the team. Manning moved to NC but still trusts the staff with Evan.

Self wouldn't remove one of his players for this offense, and Jerrance Howard was Self's PG at one time.

I definitely agree with the loss of trust issue for Self. But I think that Self values Howard highly enough as a person, a coach, and a former player that he will make a way to discipline Howard without cutting him off.

Joe Ross 4 years, 9 months ago

Bill Self has to iron out several things:

  1. How does he act in a way that's fair to Jerrance Howard? Is firing deserved?
  2. How does he act in a way that's in the best interest of The University?
  3. How would keeping Howard on affect the basketball team? (The overall impression, recruiting, etc. For example, imagine parents of big recruits sitting across the table from Howard knowing--or at least imagining--he smokes pot.)
  4. Who else is available to replace Howard that would represent The University well and is a capable coach on the court?

I personally think Howard has to go, and I hate that. He is a capable recruiter in Chicago, which produces big time talent annually. But Howard is radioactive now. If anything else were to go wrong, then Kansas' reputation could be at stake. Ask UNC about scandals and how they can mushroom out of control! Mangino was fired and didn't even do anything illegal. I want to be clear that I do NOT support drug use, but I think drugs should be decriminalized because it violates the principles of individual Liberty. But even if drugs were legal, his BOSS does not allow the use of them. If he can't follow a contractual agreements with his employer then he is probably a ticking time bomb. And let's be honest. Howard KNEW of the good reputation of this University and that if he were doing drugs and/or were in possession that it would tarnish it; yet he placed his personal desires ahead of the program's and that is not something you want from a man coaching your players or kids.

Regrettably, he's gotta go.

Michael Lorraine 4 years, 9 months ago

I'm not ready to kick him out the door. The biggest violation to me is the one that occurred with coach Self. The use of mj in itself just doesn't rate. If he was on vacation in Washington or Colorado we wouldn't be having this conversation. Point number 3 would be a concern. If this prevents him from doing his job then Bill may have no choice.

John Fitzgerald 4 years, 9 months ago

Man, tough day for KU Bball. Well said Joe.

Kent Wells 4 years, 9 months ago

Agree. However, item 4 is (or should be irrelevant). Unfortunately, his actions transcend the court and make that assessment unlikely. Simply put, it just become a business decision and whatever they decide "doing the right thing" is all that matters.

If Howard would have let his boss know, I think they could have been prepared to deal with this matter and he would have been spanked and still been around next year.

Aaron Paisley 4 years, 9 months ago

  1. Yes, lying to your boss about a drug conviction is a fireable offense, even if it's misdemeanor possession.

  2. Will the high level donors care? That's the impact here, if they don't care about the situation, then leave it up to Self to determine appropriate punishment. If it does impactdonations, then Howard has to go no matter what.

  3. This is why I think Howard is gone. Other coaches are smart enough to use the marijuana to dissuade parents and that Howard lied to Self on the players by saying why wouldn't he lie he to you, he lied to his boss.

  4. Bill Self could cherry pick who he wants almost to replace Howard. It won't be that hard for him to replace Howard.

Suzi Marshall 4 years, 9 months ago

I'm not so sure Howard should be fired. Had Howard come clean to Self right away, Self probably would have more room to maneuver.

I hate for anyone to lose their jobs, especially if otherwise that person has preformed admirable. Self is in a much better position to make an overall judgement.

Fred Davis 4 years, 9 months ago

Two things immediately jump out to me about this story - 1 - the timing of it. This happened nearly a year ago, and suddenly, a day before all of this is slated end for him on the court side, now it pops back up..?

If this reporter was so sharp, why didn't he have more info regarding the details of the arrest? Sounds like he had a source or someone in the courthouse saw Jerrance Howard's name, probably a bitter Illinois fan, but definitely not a fan of Jerrance, and passed the info along to the reporter, and boom, now he's got a little shine today.

Second thing - and many have already touched on this - Jerrance didn't tell Billy. That's a problem. No matter how you slice it, let's say he was fearful of losing his job, so be it, but he had to be sweating bullets over the last nine months that this could come out - so why he never told Billy just doesn't make sense.

Jerrance is going to have to go... I know weed isn't the end of the world, but we're talking about an elite college hoops program, and you can't have a known pothead on the staff. Not a good look. Now the question is - who does Self replace him with...?

Tom Jones 4 years, 9 months ago

A good percentage of the players and the coaches smoke it recreationally, including some of the biggest stars in college sports. Everywhere.

It shouldn't be a problem, but since it's against the law, it is a problem. It's worse because he tried to hide it.

And yeah...it will be used against KU on the recruiting trails by other schools with certain families...you can bet on that.

He's probably gonna have to let Jerrance go. Too bad, cuz he's a good dude and a good recruiter. Poor judgment on his part putting himself in that situation and making it worse by essentially lying about it.

But make no mistake...it's a crock, too. This is not something that someone in this day and age should be arrested for.

Brian Skelly 4 years, 9 months ago

My thought is Mr. Howard is as good as gone. The offense happened last summer and just now Self finds out about it? Now, that COULD be spin but after years of watching Self operate that strikes me as unlikely. And one could argue the merits (or lack there of) of the drug laws throughout the States. But if Howard had not told Self about this until now, regardless of what it was, seems to show significant poor judgement on Howard's part. So much so, it makes you wonder what other poor judgement he could engage in that would or could be worse.

The "what" it was doesnt bother me as much with this story as to the "when" it was. He should be let go -- there's plenty of other coaches who would love a chance at coaching/recruiting at KU. He wont be hard to replace.

Kent Wells 4 years, 9 months ago

Wow, I'm late to another retarded conversation about whether pot should be legal or not. Here are the salient (for the pot heads reading this post, that means relevant) points of the article:

  1. According to the report, Howard, 34, was arrested in July 2014
  2. "I just found out about this late this afternoon. I'm certainly disappointed," Self told the Journal-World on Wednesday. (February 11, 2015)

So, ignore the irrelevant pot conversation. July 2014 to February 2015... At no point, did Howard think, "you know, maybe I should give the boss a heads up..."??? That seems like a big deal.

People make mistakes, like a lot of the people coming out in support of something that is illegal, and there is a process for dealing with those mistakes. However, the mistake was compounded by another mistake that put a boss in a bad light.

I think it's time for a percentage wheel:

61% Howard is gone

39% Howard stays

37% Howard was high when he decided NOT to inform his boss that he was arrested

24% Someone thinks that prisons are overcrowded because of some silly law that murder is illegal - and that murder should be legalized.

100% Someone will miss the point of my sarcasm and attack this post

Joe Joseph 4 years, 9 months ago

BIll Self is incredibly loyal to his players and coaching colleagues. Howard won't be fired, unless the University presses Bill Self to do so. To do so would be setting a double standard, that it's essentially okay for players to violate rules and get a second chance, but not so for coaches. Howard will pay his penance, but will surely stay on staff.

RJ King 4 years, 9 months ago

A double standard though, is when identical situations are treated differently. That is not the case here.

Players are players, and coaches are coaches. Completely different situations. Players are 18-22 year olds. Coaches are usually in their 30'-60's. Players practice, train and play. Coaches teach, advise and mentor. Players may help sell our program to other players. Coaches sell our program to players AND their parents.

I could go on . . . but the point is - this is NOT a double standard.

Tyson Ailshie 4 years, 9 months ago

I really hope that this does not become a distraction to the team this season.

Kent Wells 4 years, 9 months ago

I hope photos of Howard and 1/2 the team eating brownies don't surface...

John Williams 4 years, 9 months ago

Hey Tom Jones. Pretty common name but I was just wondering if u r the Tom Jones I went to school with in Great Bend. I know a Tom Jones that was and maybe still is the sports Information director at KU. Anyways, if that is you, this is Johnny Williams and I agree with your comments and it is extremely unfortunate for J H , but he shouldn't have put his own self in this dilemma. I personally don't think he will get canned, but Self and the administration will have to do something relatively consequential to save face with the NCAA and university reputation.

Tom Jones 4 years, 9 months ago

A different Tom, alas, John.

As you say...he made his own bed and if Self really didn't know about it until yesterday (and I have no real reason to doubt him), he made things much, much worse for himself.

Robert Robinson 4 years, 9 months ago

"Hey, Jacque Vaughn, its Bill, just had an opening on my bench....."

Gerry Butler 4 years, 9 months ago

there is so many ways to look at this. but I think there are just obvious factors that have to be taken into account. once again you can either say OH certain people are trying to blow this out of proportion, OH its just weed we could come up with all kinds of reasons, or we can say well its legal in a lot of states, WELL GREAT, but like other posters have said I think he will be or should be gone, bottom line is he knew when he had the weed that it WAS NOT legal in Illlnois, he knew that I is an illegal drug, and he also knew the consequences when he had it if he wee to get caught. doesn't matte how much it was, a joint, a dime bag,1/2 ounce, its all the same. some people get all caught up well look at him at what a great recruiter he is ya, he is and tell us again how it justifies what has happened, IF he is terminated that's just something we will have to live with, and find another, bottom line is and you can turn it and twist it around all you want BUT he is representing not only the basketball program but he representing the university of Kansas, people say what he does on his time is his business, but under the conditions he is a public figure, surpose to be a role mode, a mentor for these kids, you don't think our recruiting has maybe not ALREADY going o be affected? if you want to look at it like that? you don't think some of the possible recruits parents won't catch wind of this? and they will take the approach the same as I said. do I want to turn my son over to this guy, this university where the role model is arrested for drugs? and like a friend of mine said if he stays you don't think other schools won't have a hay day with this? posters saying things like hey coach you got a joint, you got a spare bag again this has a influence on the university just as much a the basketball program, hell the decision may not even be coach self's to make it may be called from the higher up. Again he knew the trouble this could cause, if not why did he not come out right of and disclose to coach self? what kind of example is that sitting for the players. bad situation, unfortunately you got some fans here that are just worried about recruiting there is a lot more to it then just that. and you bête believe it others have already caught wind of this and when they are recruiting the same kids you think they won't use this against us? if you do holler at me I got some swamp land in flordia I would love to see ya. GO HAWKS

Joe Ross 4 years, 9 months ago

The more I think about Jarrence Howard the more I keep coming back to this thread with ideas. It seems to me that so many negative, unintended or unforeseen things may result from keeping Howard. What if, for example, a PLAYER gets busted with drugs in the future. Not only does it cast a shadow over the program as a whole, making the outside world wonder, but if the offense is sufficient to get rid of the player then it looks like hypocrisy if you kept Howard around. Realistic people will rightly say that you have to look at the individual situations. Sure, sure. But Kansas, being a high profile program, is an attention magnet and fair or unfair, many people will cast Kansas into an unfavorable light. Not just fans of other schools, but perhaps prominent people as well. Negative recruiting by other schools would ramp up. We just dont need that kind of headache.

It troubles me greatly that Howard just didnt go to Bill Self and disclose the situation. I dont know how you can keep him on. Too bad, too. Howard is a good coach and a great recruiter.

Rodney Crain 4 years, 9 months ago

You have to suspend him indifinately right now, then deal with this long term after the end of the season. Ongoing salary can be determined from the language of the contract or via school policy.

It might be in our best interest to part ways during a lull in the off season, have his replacement ready to name at the same time. This minimizes the transition and the news.

If he did not disclose this to Self until it was made public yesterday, then Self's hands are tied.

I am all for second chances, he can find his second chance with another school. You just cannot unring that bell now.

Michael Bennett 4 years, 9 months ago

On a positive note, and completely unrelated to this article, ESPN posted a list of top 10 dunks in NCAA history. # 8: http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/103034/top10thursday-best-dunks-in-ncaa-history

Joe Joseph 4 years, 9 months ago

I saw that. Personally, I think Marcus Morris (or maybe it was Markieff) had a much better dunk over a Pitt-State player in a different game. Alas, that was an exhibition game and not nationally televised.

Joe Joseph 4 years, 9 months ago

Yeah, here it is. This may be one of the greatest dunks that a national audience never got to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMjrB1cAldg

Michael Lorraine 4 years, 9 months ago

OMG what was no. 14 thinking. Oh here comes a freight train, I think I can stop it.

Aaron Paisley 4 years, 9 months ago

Here's what this incident looks like in recruiting

Coach: "You know Coach Howard lied to Self about a drug conviction last summer while on staff at Kansas."

Recruit: "So, it's just marijuana."

Coach: "If he has no problem lying to his boss, what do you think he's lying to you about?"

This why Howard is gone. This will negatively impact recruiting because opposing coaches will use that against KU. Howard will likely have a job next season, but it won't be at KU.

Bob Bailey 4 years, 9 months ago

Being old, a lot of my roads were unfortunate. My wife dies at 43 of breast cancer.It was recommended that pot would help her handle her diet. So I blew $60 on three illegal cigarettes. She preferred I share with her.

After the experience I wondered how a sane person could do that to his mind!

Participated in binge drinking, tobacco --NO comparison. Have had a few guys try to explain the benefit. I still don't get it. Have been thru grade 20, was a Phi Beta Kappa, a scholarship student, and still don't get it.

I'd rather contend with a drunk driver than a pot head -- one ran me clear off the road!

If it's right for you, carry on. But I can't be convinced it's good for athletes.

Kent Wells 4 years, 9 months ago

What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger, right? 43 is too young.

I always wondered about Ricky Williams. How good could he have been? I'm with you, I just don't get it. Besides, I'm much happier being a sex addict.... I can enjoy that on the privacy of my own home.

Kristen Downing 4 years, 9 months ago

In charge of young people, first Self heard of it....he would be gone.

Aaron Paisley 4 years, 9 months ago

I said somewhere above that I would love to see Vaughn become an assistant next year and that with his influences, has a bright future. The biggest question is does Vaughn even want to coach at the college level? He may want to be an NBA lifer which is fine because Self has a lot of people he could fill the upcoming vacancy with that are just as good, if not better than Howard.

Janet Olin 4 years, 9 months ago

I agree that immediate suspension is necessary for not telling Coach Self and the breach of trust. Coach Self obviously has more information and preferences about handling the situation. I would not mind if Howard were fired/replaced after the season ends, but I think to do so now would be a circus of distractions Coach and the team cannot afford. Let the season end, the recruits decide what to do, and then make a final decision.

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