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Monday, March 31, 2014

KU coach Bill Self responds to Naadir Tharpe photo

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In the moments following Andrew Wiggins' press conference to announce he was declaring for the NBA Draft, Kansas University men's basketball coach Bill Self responded to questions about an inappropriate photo of junior point guard Naadir Tharpe that surfaced on Twitter on Sunday.

The photo, which showed Tharpe and an unidentified woman, included nudity.

"Obviously we are aware," Self said. "It was brought to our attention and (I) certainly am extremely disappointed with what's transpired and the judgement that went along with it. To say anything else publicly is something that would be inappropriate at this time, but it will be addressed and it will be handled internally."

Comments

Sean Lancaster 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Internally speaking, I'd like to see Tharpe's minutes get distributed to Frank and Conner next year. All of them.

Jack Wilson 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Uh, should of done that against Stanford and EKU. But if we can only look forward, then "sold."

Greg Lux 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Has an underclassman ever transferred from Kansas with one season of eligibility left? This could be the first because this young man has lost so much fan support he is walking dead with most of the Kansas fans.

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

If it was someone else that might be an option, Tharpe just won't care, he will come in finish his last year, get a degree and try to play pro ball over seas. He has a knack for ignoring his own issues.

Benz Junque 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I am reminded of when Sherron Collins showed up for his senior season fat and out of shape. You'd think that these morons would catch on to the fact that they are entering their most important season of their basketball careers and get their minds focused on doing everything possible to be successful. Mind boggling.

Imagining the conversation he'll have with his daughter when she is old enough to do a google search on her daddy...

Benz Junque 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Unfocused, irresponsible and poor decision making. I am not saying they are the same offense, merely show the same lack of character and focus. Collins' lazy a$$ "led" us to a Round of 32 exit against Northern Iowa that season. I would expect a similar fate if Tharpe is kept in a role of leadership next year.

My hope is that Mason and Frankamp work their tails off and relegate Tharpe to less minutes and that Selden takes over as the vocal leader of the team for next year. I hope the players do not assume that because Tharpe is the senior on the team that he is required to be the leader. He has really done nothing to earn it that I have seen.

Suzi Marshall 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Tharpe has consistently shown poor judgment on and off the court.

About two weeks before the NCAA's commenced the vast majority of posters had little expectations for the team to advance to/beyond the Sweet 16. The most common reason cited was Tharpe. He is a major drag on the team and will be next year as well. This is a player Self should run, not somebody like AWIII. I keep thinking of the Stanford game when Black had to point out to Tharpe to pass the ball to Wiggins.

Jeff Kilgore 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Got yer hangin' rope out, Suzi? We're here to arrest, judge, and sentence our most hated point guard who has "consistently shown poor judgment on and off the court" Guilty! Scholarship revoked! Jail time! Fines paid!

I remember a different player and person than you do. If I'm ever down, I'll know who to call if I need a crowd to pile on. All of these comments made without knowing how much he knew, and because he didn't live up to your expectations on the court, he must be a bad person too? What illogical thinking. Your social/sports criticism seem very vindictive.

Whether Tharpe is guilty or innocent, I'm going to be in his camp. You never made a mistake in college? Man, I sure did! Glad cellphones didn't exist in the 70s and 80s. He's a Jayhawk.

Next year, I will never root harder for a player than Mr. Tharpe.

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Jeff he is naked and the girl is half naked, I see no distress on his face, or hers... So not sure what else he is going to say about what happened, maybe just smile.

Run him, well that seems a little strong, that is not the answer.

Cellphones do exist and he has to be smarter than that to put himself in that position. its not like they are just kissing... poor judgement from someone who represents the university.

You can root all you want for him but unless he straightens his act out on and off the court, he might not be on the court a lot to root for.

Suzi Marshall 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Jeff, you are absolutely correct. I made some negative comments about Tharpe after the Stanford game was properly called out for that as well. I suppose those comments could be repeated errors of judgment on my part. I just hate to see our guys being so poorly led on the court.

Self is the proper person to judge Tharpe and the continued value to the team. My level of tolerance for him expired long before the end of the season. Recall all the post during/after the Atlantis Tournament how poorly he was prepared to lead the team. He had about 4 or 5 good games and it looked like we had no other options. I hope he is looking after his kid.

I wish Black, who shows great leadership, had the quickness and ball handling skills to be our point guard.

Mick Allen 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Well for once Na kept someone in front of him.

Suzi Marshall 6 months, 3 weeks ago

got to admire how you found a positive comment spin.

Aaron Paisley 6 months, 3 weeks ago

So I'm going to just assume that Tharpe was doing nothing more than auditioning for his career after KU.

Kent Kossoy 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Wasn't Sherron Collins accused of getting personal with a young lady on an elevator?? Gives a new meaning to POINT guard I guess.

Chris Bohling 6 months, 3 weeks ago

It seems like Self has a problem with recruiting point guards who make bad decisions off the court, which unsurprisingly are the same men who make bad decisions on the court. Collins, Taylor, and Tharpe all were bad behavior-prone and turnover-prone. Coincidence...?

Hopefully Mason and Frankamp can change the pattern before it becomes an annual tradition.

Erich Hartmann 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Seems Scottie Wilbiken (Florida PG) had off court issues & a suspension also. Seems Taylor straightened up and led his team to the National Champ game. Seems Sherron was absolutely key to KU's 1 NC in the last 25+yrs, after he matured a bit. Seems Tharpe had swag last year, but lost it (on the court) this year. Some kids arent as good leaders as others, when thrust in the spotlight. EJ had a great jr season, but a lackluster sr. season. Other than a few frosh turnovers, Josh Selby's only major bad decision was to pass on another year at KU. Seems neither Chalmers nor RussRob were serviceable PG's when they arrived at KU, with Russell almost transferring away his soph season...but he stayed, matured, and led his team his sr. season. Chalmers matured also, on and off the court (Beasley rookie incident 2009), now leading his 2time world champ Miami Heat.

Every kid has his own timeline, lets hope Tharpe gets it figured out? There will always be someone (or 2) to replace him.

Kevin Jenkins 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Well he's out partying and enjoying life. It would have been nice too use the same amount of energy on the court showing leadership and playing basketball. Yes kids have fun but too short of time after his sub par performance. I guess he felt he needed to let off some steam. Looked pretty hammered.

Jack Wilson 6 months, 3 weeks ago

So, if Wiggins did the same thing, and he decided to return, would we care?

I am not a Tharpe fan because of his play, and while it's bad judgment, I'll give the kid a pass. This isn't the end of the world. He didn't hurt anyone and he wasn't malicious.

Jeff Kilgore 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Jack, unlike most of the crew on this board, you haven't decided to pass judgement and punishment in the same sentence.

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Jeff are you waiting for proof, like a picture? It is poor judgement, but I agree with Jack, at his age I had a lot of poor judgement, but its the the picture that makes it difficult. Of all the other behavior issues that happen at our school and others, rarely is there a picture or video. The picture makes it much more difficult to deal with. Consenting or not he represents the university he needs to be aware of his situation and act accordingly.

Jeff Kilgore 6 months, 3 weeks ago

No. If he didn't know about what was transpiring, and he surely didn't, he is just as much a victim as the young lady, though the tone of this board is full of hate toward him, and the thing that makes me scream hypocrisy is that much of it seems based on his poor play on the floor, and not on the incident itself, which may well be full of sound and fury but in the end, signifying nothing.

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

OMG really Jeff, what planet are you on, a victim??? She did not look like a victim either. They decided that what they wanted to do was ok for all the world to see, that was not a bed room they were in and not a bed he was sitting on. Do what you want if your are two consulting adults but do it privately, you cannot afford that picture to go public.

A victim really??? LOL no way....

Dirk Medema 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I think the photo I saw was cropped, but her tongue was definitely not that of a victim.

Erich Hartmann 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I wont go so far as to call either Tharpe or his girl "victims", but just think about what we do NOT know: What are the motives of whoever took the photo and posted it to the web? Never know all the people at some college party...may be people there that arent even KU people. Or, they were all drunk, and nobody thought better of posting the x-rated pix? Maybe the posting had the desired effect for whoever did it. Maybe the posting party regrets the grief its caused Tharpe now publicly-- Who knows!?!

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

You just cannot allow yourself to be in a photo like that. Use some common sense and find a room.

Jeremy Wilhelm 6 months, 3 weeks ago

It must be nice for you to live a life with perfect judgement and awareness.

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

So Jeremy you think what he did is fine, just a lapse in judgement? My point about having sex in a room privately is too much? Common sense is not fair to you? As I have replied to in here I have made many mistakes, it's the photo that is beyond reproach. Pathetic Post.

Benz Junque 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I can 100% assure you that if I had the opportunities laid before that Tharpe has here at Kansas then I would have my ducks in a row and not be putting it all at risk.

Titus Canby 6 months, 3 weeks ago

HEM, thanks for being the voice of reason. 1. This really isn't any of our business. 2. Who among us has never done something dumb, especially in college?

I believe we need to keep in mind the punch line to the old joke, "Mom, I hate it when you do that."

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Titus to me that's the point, it should not be any of anyone's business. Just do not put yourself in a position to have the photo taken. Find a fricking room, and none of this is pushed in our face, Self does not have to deal with it, and Tharpe is not benched again.

Its about his lack of common sense.

Aaron Paisley 6 months, 3 weeks ago

As I said below, this incident in a vacuum is not that big of a deal, but you and I both mentioned a lack of common sense and this incident is just another on the list poor personal decisions by Tharpe. Having a kid in HS is showing good judgement, I'm sure there were some things his first two years that were overshadowed by Tyshawn and Elijah, getting suspended for an exhibition game this season, plus all the on court stuff is just a pattern of displaying a lack of common sense.

Titus Canby 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Rodney, I agree that he showed a lack of common sense. But I don't believe he did anything malicious or illegal. Just dumb. It should be a non-story, even though I read it. I sure am glad smart phones weren't around when I was in school.

Jeremy Wilhelm 6 months, 3 weeks ago

You want to insist on making this a big deal, that's fine... but hopefully the people who actually make decisions and have authority on this will be a little more prudent than you and many other posters on here are being.

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Quiet down Jeremy Self thinks its a big deal, most people will. So does Tharpe now btw. Get off your high horse the lack of oxygen is making you say silly things.

Suzi Marshall 6 months, 3 weeks ago

For someone I disagree with so often, I find my self agreeing with you a lot.

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

:). That means a lot coming from you Suzi!

Aaron Paisley 6 months, 3 weeks ago

If this was the first time for Naadir showing poor judgment off the court, then this incident wouldn't be that big of a deal. The problem is though, this isn't the first time as Naadir has a history of making poor decisions off the court. I don't mean poor decisions as far breaking the law, but just a lack of common sense. It's scary to think that someone who has shown as little common sense as Tharpe is going to be the defacto leader because he's going to be the only senior on scholarship right now for next season and he hasn't set a good example for the younger kids. Wayne Selden was starting to show some leadership at the end of the season so hopefully Self and Huddy (since she'll be the one spending most of the time with them now) will keep encouraging that growth this offseason and he can be the leader next year since Tharpe and Ellis don't have the personality for the role of vocal leader.

Greg Lux 6 months, 3 weeks ago

IMHO Conner will be our leader next year and probably for the next 3 years to come. This young man has shown he can handle pressure and make good decisions with the game on the line. And he can make shots. Just think what if he had made the last shot against Stanford and we could have gone on to win that game. Their would be no question in the fans minds who would be leading next years team.. I think its his to lose now.

Aaron Paisley 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I'm not talking about being the PG leader or the guy who takes the last shot in a game. I'm talking about the guy that will hold other accountable for their actions on and off the court and will get in a guy's face when they screw up. That is the kind of leadership that KU has been missing for a few seasons now and Wayne Selden was beginning to step into that role at the end of the season and he needs to be encouraged to step into that role fully even if he's not going to be the PG or the most experienced player because not everyone was born to be a leader and Wayne Selden appears to be that guy.

Benz Junque 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I agree that it is not "the end of the world" but it is a major balck eye to the program and just another in a long line of poor decisions by Tharpe.

I do not think Self will run Tharpe out but I do think he needs to recognize a consistent pattern of poor decisions. It's not like Tharpe had a clean slate before this. He was suspended to start the season, he was taken out of the starting lineup for our two most important non-con road games. He consistently made poor decisions on the court that led to terrible urnovers or defensive lapses. This isn't new.

Self needs to pull Mason and Frankamp aside before they head out for the summer and assure them that a summer spenp working VERY hard on their game could lead to them being put in the starting role or at the very least significantly increasing their role. Kansas has what looks to be a very special team next year if Embiid comes back and Self would be wise not to waste that by leaning on a player with such a track record of poor decisions.

As for Tharpe himself, I hope he gets his act together for his own sake. Yes, I understand that virtually all of us acted like morons when we were college aged, but we were not presented with the opportunity that Tharpe had before him. I was not risking anything by acting like a fool. Tharpe is.

I hope he learns before it's too late and he is left to question what could have been. He'll already be leaving college with the added responsibility of being a father at a ridiculous age; it would be a shame if he left it without giving himself a chance to realize his potential and talent as well.

Benz Junque 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Yes, if it was ANY other player on the team we would care. is THIS what you want people around the country to think of when they think of Kansas basketball?

Janet Olin 6 months, 3 weeks ago

For better or worse, point guards come under more scrutiny because they are the floor generals and are perceived as an extension of the coach. My guess is Coach Self is not thrilled with the image this extension portrays. Naa is a senior-to-be, not a freshman. C'mon man.

Mark Lindrud 6 months, 3 weeks ago

This has nothing to do with my desire to get a new point guard, but a suspension or getting kicked off the team maybe deemed necessary. This type of behavior can't be tolerated when you are in the public eye and a face of a college program. Collins was caught doing stuff with a girl in an elevator, Taylor was being a jerk on Facebook and I am sure I am missing something else. You get beat and knocked out of the tournament and not even 24 hours later you are in an instagram or whatever partying as if it is no big deal. Actions like this tell me why we didn't stand a chance to go far in the tournament. The final four teams all have quality point guard play and I have said for years we go as far as our point guard will take us. Russell Robinson was a steady influence and Taylor grew up and became a leader his senior year. I haven't seen a leader from Tharpe and maybe it is time for guys to understand what it means to play basketball at KU. Personally, I hope the disciplinary action that comes is swift and severe.

Jack Wilson 6 months, 3 weeks ago

So, I'm curious, what did he do that was so egregious? I'm just trying to understand the mindset.

Is this worse than Brady Morningstar's DUI?

Jonathan Allison 6 months, 3 weeks ago

not worse than Brady's DUI. But arguably as bad because of the potential consequences for the girl in the photo. She likely will lose her job, she now will have this reputation that will follow her in her job search, and we don't know what social/psychological impact this could have on her or her family. Seriously, people are flat out mean and there are some BAD things being said about her. I doubt that she consented to that photo posting to the general public.

If this photo was uploaded and posted to an account in Tharpe's name (Instagram, twitter, reddit, whatever) then I would expect a lawsuit to follow. We don't know how this photo went public, whether Tharpe sent it privately to someone who sent it to someone, etc... whether Tharpe posted it himself... or whether someone got their hands on Tharpe's phone and posted it without his knowing. Really, I don't care how it went public, Tharpe should be punished more than just a one or two game suspension to start the season. There's no undoing the damage to the girl who was exploited by the photo.

Jeff Kilgore 6 months, 3 weeks ago

YES! Since, in your words, we don't know how it was posted, I'd make damned sure I didn't blame Tharpe as others have on this board.

Your own words state that there is doubt about how all of this occurred. Or do we already pass judgement and sentence? Am I on the Missouri Tiger board?

Jonathan Allison 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Jeff, I've supported Tharpe all along, but I can't give him a pass with this photo. It is pretty clear that he is the one taking the photo. So whatever repercussions come on both of them to me they are his fault, regardless of who posted the photo online. My point about not knowing who posted the photo online was just to say that if someone else posted the photo then likely the lawsuit would not be against Tharpe but against whomever went public with Tharpe's photo.

Sam Constance 6 months, 3 weeks ago

As bad? As a DUI?

I'm sorry but NO. Absolutely not. No one ever killed someone by taking a semi-nude selfie.

Is it poor judgement? Absolutely. He represents the university at some level and needs to understand how this kind of thing looks, even if it is ultimately a harmless thing between two (presumedly) consenting adults.

But let's not get carried away. All that nonsense about the girl losing her job and lawsuits was just that: nonsense. No one even knows who she is, nor do we know that she is a victim without a great deal of assumption.

Jonathan Allison 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Sam, I agree with you about DUI. It's far more dangerous and puts others at greater risk. But to me the question was about Tharpe's indecent incident and Brady's DUI arrest, and which is worse. To me it's a question of consequences and we have the luxury of knowing what the outcome was for Brady's DUI arrest.

The offense in and of itself is not as bad as the offense of DUI, but luckily for Brady Morningstar there were no REAL consequences for his action only punishment by the court and by his basketball coach. Brady could have had to live with the fact that something that he did was responsible for taking someone else's life. Luckily it didn't. Tharpe needs to understand that something that he did (if he took the photo and it posted to HIS account) has really damaged this woman's life.

If the photo was taken with Tharpe's cell phone and posted online to Tharpe's account then he is responsible for whatever repercussions come by the young lady in the photo. There will be REAL consequences for her.

Jonathan Allison 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I've driven under the influence of alcohol, I'm not proud of it, and I haven't done it in a long time. I'd guess that probably most people on this board have driven under the influence, and like me have never been caught doing it because we didn't get spotted by the police and we didn't have an accident.

Probably 95+% of cases of people driving under the influence never have consequences.

This picture posting online has IMMEDIATE consequences, and severe consequences especially if she is a school nurse. If it posted to Tharpe's account and it can't be proved that he was hacked then he is guilty of defamation by public disclosure of private facts. It is an invasion of privacy and a serious offense.

Sam Constance 6 months, 3 weeks ago

That's a rather twisted way to rationalize which is worse, imho.

And given that we don't even know who the woman is, saying she will suffer consequences is rash at best. Not to mention the assumption that she is a victim in all of this. Obviously appearances can be deceiving, but she seems to be a willing and aware participant. Heck, based on their facial expressions, she seems more aware of what's going on than he does.

I'm no lawyer, but I'm not sure a consensual picture being posted online is automatically grounds defamation. This was not a candid shot or an example of online harassment. You presume a great deal about the situation.

Jonathan Allison 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Yes I assume a lot, it's true. But my assumptions are a whole heck of a lot better than assuming that she wanted to have her photo posted online and have her reputation dragged through the dirt.

I assume that she was having a good time and enjoying being a young consenting adult and was flattered that Tharpe wanted her and wanted a picture of her but that she didn't want that picture to go public.

I assume that she will be mocked and ridiculed because of this incident.

I assume that in some career fields, like the one that some had said she was in, she could lose her job. I assume that if she does lose her job over it, that it will make it more difficult to find a new job. And if she's a student it could make it harder for her to get a job after college. If she's married it will affect her marriage. If she's got kids it will affect her kids. If she's not married and doesn't have kids it could affect her parents.

I assume that if any of these assumptions are true that she has grounds for legal action against whomever posted that photo of her, and I assume that a legal investigation would tell us whether the photo posted from Tharpe's phone to Tharpe's account or if it posted from someone else's device.

Jonathan Allison 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Thank you for your humble opinion. But I don't think that it's strange to view the severity of Brady's incident in light of the consequences. He drove drunk. He was very lucky that he got pulled over before he got himself into a really big deal. I don't deny that it's an incredibly serious thing. Fortunately most of the time that it happens nobody gets hurt.

As soon as you post a naked picture of someone else in a public forum without their approval that person is hurt in a way that nothing but time can heal.

If Tharpe didn't post the picture then he is a victim as well. But Tharpe will take the punishment and if he keeps his name clean for a year and he graduates, then he'll come out of it clear. Because he will be in the public eye he has the ability change his reputation by his behavior. If he is a model citizen for the remainder of his time at KU then nobody will care that he was a part of this. She can't get rid of it that easily.

Suzi Marshall 6 months, 3 weeks ago

It's not my place to judge Tharpe but my level of tolerance for him expired long before the end of the season. Recall all the post during/after the Atlantis Tournament how poorly he was prepared to lead the team. He had about 4 or 5 good games and it looked like we had no other options.

I wish Black, who shows great leadership, had the quickness and ball handling skills to be our point guard.

Jack Jones 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Of course, you are aware that Mr. Black is no longer available as a player.

Jeff Kilgore 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Not your place? Above, you wrote,

"Tharpe has consistently shown poor judgment on and off the court."

If it's not your place, as you're right to say it's not, don't do it.

Adam Miller 6 months, 3 weeks ago

"...not my place to judge Tharpe..." -- now THAT is kind of funny.

Mark Lindrud 6 months, 3 weeks ago

You're the leader of a nationally known basketball team and practically anything you do can and will go public. You're team just lost in the tournament and you are already out partying like you don't care.

Aaron Paisley 6 months, 3 weeks ago

HEM, it's not this incident on its own that is that big of a deal. It's the pattern of poor decisions that Tharpe continually makes that shows a complete lack of common sense that is the bigger picture issue. As for which incident is worse, the DUI is far and away the bigger deal and punishments will reflect that as Morningstar was suspended for the first semester for his DUI and the punishment for Tharpe will be in line with what happened to Tyshawn when he got busted for doing the nasty at center court. If it somehow comes out that the girl in the picture is underage, I seriously doubt it based on the pic but I've also seen 15 year olds that look like their 25, then it becomes a much bigger deal because then it becomes a legal issue. Since this currently isn't a legal issue and is just a case of lack of common sense on Tharpe's part, some early morning workouts with Hudy are probably in order and move on from there.

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Jack, the huge negative here is the photo. Kids make mistakes, I sure did at that age, but you cannot refute a picture or a video. It is hard to undo or forget that, it is the gift that keeps on giving, forever. Can't get your photo taken. Does not forgive what he did but it sure makes it real and difficult to say it was a he said she said. Its the picture's existence that makes it worse.

Shane Garrett 6 months, 3 weeks ago

How many starting team members returned from last year? 0. So with five new starting guys lets see three were not even with the "Team" last year. So I guess Tharp was suppose to be the leader of whom, Ellis? Yeah, okay haters I really do understand that a first year starting Sophomore point guard should be a great as any of the final four point guards, but to deny him some bragging rights to getting some? Well, I ain't never made any mistakes in my life, not, so I guess all you stone throwers just ain't getting any period

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Shane, watching any of the NCAA tournament? We are a level or two away from the guard play I have been watching. I can give the freshman a pass this year, but Tharpe has been a disappointment, and now an embarrassment to this program and to himself. His play, his leadership, his decision making, and his maturity have all been called into question this year. To be fair you can only compare him to the other junior players. He is lacking in almost every area. To say that anyone who questions his action is a hater, or a stone thrower just shows how out of touch you are with the issue. The kid is in over his head and cannot handle his responsibility. I hope Self is able to reach the young man, but I do not think all the lights are on upstairs. It sure does not look like it on the court or in his private life.

Shane Garrett 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Yes, I have watched all the games I can. And KU as a team comes no where close to any of the great eight teams. Wisconsin vs. Arizona was pure basketball. So many times the ball driven toward the goal, the player was defended, and the ball passed to an open man. KU would have just kept driving or throw up a hope towards the goal. I agree that KU lacks great guard play. But I would never expect a young man to never make a mistake. Maybe, if he makes the team next year, his second year as a starter will make him smarter in all things. I know I sometimes wish I knew then what I know now.

John Randall 6 months, 3 weeks ago

"getting some" is one thing – flaunting it around social media (or doing it around someone who will) is quite a different thing(y). It certainly isn't private in any way, shape or form. Showing us his 'nads' on the court instead of at this kind of party might have earned him another shot at some kind of meaningful position next year. What transpired, however, just removes any reason to keep on with the undeserved coddling.

I'm sure Coach Self will hear the same kind of whimpering, pitiful excuses and promises as before.

Hint: Bill, it's time to say, plain and simple, "Don't tell me – Show me!"

Jack Jones 6 months, 3 weeks ago

On "Bill's" behalf ~ Thanks for your 'Hint'

Jeff Kilgore 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Shocked. I'm really shocked at all the disparaging comments about Tharpe on this board. He's still a young kid, and since not one of us knows the circumstances, it's not for us to say. Tharpe, I've heard it said, had a fractured thumb or some sort of undisclosed injury. Maybe this is just a rumor.

Winning. That's all this board seems to be about. Tharpe has not proved to be the best guard to wear a KU uniform, but he played some big games for us earlier in the year. Yeah, this season didn't go the way many of us wanted it to. But to call him names like "moron" and to question his intelligence and heart is really misguided. Fans' loyalty for their players shouldn't flag based upon results. Winning isn't guaranteed, and when it is, I will no longer be interested.

Jack Wilson's response above is one of the few I respect. Here's hoping that Tharpe returns and makes good next year! Rock Chalk!

Mark Lindrud 6 months, 3 weeks ago

You must be new to this board because I'm about character. Winning is helped by men of character not idiots who post hooking up with girls online. I didn't like what Morningstar did and he was suspended for a semester. When Collins was the starting point guard we didn't go very far in the tournament either. Character is not what you do when the spotlight is on you, but when it isn't.

Jeff Kilgore 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Your first sentence really makes no sense. I am new to this board because you are about character. Do you see how silly your statement is?

You are all about character = I am new to this board. This is syllogistically untenable.

I'm not going to say that Tharpe lacks character; he lacks judgment, and as far as I'm concerned, young kids are still developing judgment.

Mark Lindrud 6 months, 3 weeks ago

My point is do not judge our comments because they are our comments. I completely back my statement that you do not know me and I believe character is a big issue. He is a face of an NCAA Men's Basketball team considered a blue blood with high recognition in the country. What he does on his own time is none of my business as long as he is not hurting others and himself, but allowing your picture to get online half naked with a girl makes me question his judgment, especially when it wasn't long after his team had just lost in the tournament.

Benz Junque 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Jeff, we do not need to know the circumstances around the photo. It IS for us to say that we are disgusted and embarassed. It IS for us to say that Tharpe has put a black eye on the program. It IS for us to say that we have noticed a significant pattern of irresponsible behavior and poor decisions.

No one here is a jury member on a trial. There is no punishment that can be doled out here. It is a community of people with opinions and the vast majority are of the opinion that this is ridiculous behavior and that we are fed up with Tharpe.

This board is NOT all about winning. If Danny Manning was still an assistant coach on the team and a photo of him in the same situation came out I would be just as disgusted and embarassed. It would reflect just as poorly on the Kansas basketball program as what Tharpe has done.

People question his intelligence not because of the team's RECORD; they question it because of a consistent string of decisions that lacked intelligence. If those same stupid mistakes happen in games that the team wins they are still stupid mistakes.

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Benz this might be one of the best posts I have ever seen on this site. Thank you!

Suzi Marshall 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Nice summary.

What am I going to do now after finding my self in such close opinions with some of my biggest KU BB debating opponents?

Jeff Kilgore 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Tharpe was the team's second leading three-point shooter at 39.3% Only Perry Ellis shot it better, 50% and didn't take many shots. Tharpe led the Jayhawks with assists per game, 5, and was the team's fifth leading scorer.

Ryan Michael 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Tharpe SHOULD have led the team in assists... He got nearly ALL the minutes at the 1PG slot in a lineup that consisted of 4 future NBA players (two of which could go 1,2 in the draft).

Seriously, why people use the mediocre assist stats to justify his role I don't get... Frankamp could have put up the same assist numbers and had far fewer turnovers. To boot, I think Tharpes attitude has been poor all year, admittedly based only on what I see on TV and his post game interviews. Kid doesn't take responsibility for anything himself, and that's not a leader. Even after his piss poor games he'd say "we weren't prepared". No, YOU weren't prepared. Own it. He'd jump in the air get caught and throw a pass out of bounds and then point and complain to his teamates about how they weren't where he wanted them to be... Maybe he should have learned a less most middle school b-ball players learn, don't get in the air with nowhere to go. Again, he just doesn't strike me as someone with good decision making skills, and definitely not the mentality of a true leader. The team will not rally around Tharpe if you ask me.

I hope he learns from this situation and grows up... That being said, I really hope he has to earn every minute he see's on the court next year and isn't just gifted a starting role because he's the "senior returning PG". Frankamp was 10 fold the player Tharpe was at the end of the season and deserves an equal shot.

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

You forgot turnovers, bad passes that disrupted the offense, the benchings, he lead in those too, the guy is average at best. What does not show up is his early shot without running the offense, lack of concentration, and poor decisions game after game. He is just not a starting point guard.

Mark Lindrud 6 months, 3 weeks ago

You forgot to mention the 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio nearly last in conference. The point guard leads the team in assists. 5 assists per game is lousy for a guy averaging nearly 30 minutes a game.

Emily Rineberg 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Could Tharpe just go away, please!!! He's not an asset to the team ON or off the court

Chris Bruning 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I wish Tharpe would make better decisions along with everyone else. But I'm surprised at the harshness towards him.

Mark Lindrud 6 months, 3 weeks ago

For me personally, it is that he is an upper class man who should be leading by example and avoiding bad publicity. For many people they are looking for a reason to find a new PG so it is safe to say when you add the frustration towards him and then this: BOOM we found our reason to replace him so to speak.

Steve Jacob 6 months, 3 weeks ago

When you come to KU to play basketball, you are a rock star. And rock stars sometimes behave badly. Price of stardom. Deadspin guesses it was taken and Jayhawk Towers and is asking for more info if anyone knows.

Steve Zimmerman 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I don't think too negatively over this kind of thing. He'll get reprimanded, disciplined, judged, and executed (kidding..) accordingly by HCBS and staff. Let's not become judges. We're not any better.

Just remember this:

Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

And hope that he'll turn around and stay focus in what he comes to KU for. Tharpe, I wish you the best of luck - show the best of you.

Luan Do 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I'm not a Tharpe fan but a KU fan. Look at all these haters turning on him for one little mistake. You guys make it sound like he killed somebody. Who needs fans like you? Btch ass attitudes is what it is.

Joe Baker 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Oh crap...I was hoping that it was a look-a-like. I didn't think the tats matched, but it's definitely him. Wow...Naa Naa, Naa Naa Naa...hey hey hey...um...how does it go...forgot the words. Not really...I really don't know what to say except Self is going to rip him up and down, put him on probation, take his phone away, and chaparone him with every single girl.

Once again, a junior pg fails to show much leadership off the court. It's not the girl or the nudity (although pretty bad), it's just that he allowed himself to be caught in that situation. What's really bad is that it broke on Wiggins' special day. I'd be totally embarrassed and apologize to Wiggins for this showing up on his annoucement day to the NBA draft. Does anyone else find it odd that Naa's pic showed up on Wig's big day? Coincidence?

Sam Constance 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Pretty clear that there are a lot of KU fans who can't separate their on-court displeasure with Tharpe from his off-court behavior.

Yeah, this is a bad look. It's not very wise to send out this kind of a picture at all, let alone when you represent a team like KU that gets so much national attention. It's just negative attention that isn't needed.

But that's ALL it is. Youthful shenanningans. Bad judgement. And far less harmful bad judgement than someone driving drunk, or raping/attempting to rape someone, or beating a girlfriend or spouse. This is not the federal case that many are making out of it.

If you question Tharpe's place as starting PG next year because of his inconsistent junior season, more power to you. He's certainly shown enough on the court to suggest that he could use a little stiff competition for the starting spot. But anything about dismissing him from the program is absolute garbage that can have no other explanation than the result of bitter feelings over this year's season-ending results.

Adam Miller 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I feel compelled to ask... exactly how many of you are -- at the present -- living in Victorian era England?

You mean... basketball players... get. Laid? MY GOODNESS!! THE SCANDAL!!!

Come on, we're supposed to be better than this. "What message will it send..." -- it sends the message that in Kansas IT IS in fact OK for consenting adults to have sex (or at least nude up together). You know, kick the whole "bible thumper" image we have around the world?

As to Naa's play on the court:

Look, I remember reading plenty of happy comments when he was scoring well (on the court); I read plenty comments when he should have stayed in that Michigan game instead of EJ (boy, I remember when people absolutely shredded that poor kid as well); and now I see you guys all form posses to go and burn Naa when he isn't doing as well.

Great fans you are -- how about you stand by the guy. Bunch of jackals -- do you think he doesn't know his minutes are going to be cut if he doesn't perform next season? Especially with 2 (actually 3, really) guys who could play solid point (that aren't freshman anymore)...

Maybe the bad message being sent here isn't Naa getting some, it's that a large portion of our fans cannibalize our own when "it" hits the fan.

With the way half of you are acting, I think maybe you should find a cell phone and twitter account (if you catch my drift).

Brian Mellor 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Ha, yep:

Late March, 2013 "Goddammit why did Self keep going back to Johnson Tharpe should be our starting PG!!!"

Late March, 2014 "Goddammit why did Self keep going back to Tharpe Frankamp should be our starting PG!!!"

Suzi Marshall 6 months, 3 weeks ago

It's been a rough two years playing without an elite PG.

Adam Miller 6 months, 3 weeks ago

"It's been a rough two years playing without an elite PG." -- Are you serious? 2 years? Hell, Taylor made me lose hair (it's gone, gone I tells you) and Collins, although a nice guy, never met a pizza he couldn't conquer. Been a bit longer than 2 years.

Suzi Marshall 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Collins was and All American and TT came up big down his final stretch.

I can understand and relate the pizza need.

Adam Miller 6 months, 3 weeks ago

"...TT came up big down his final stretch." -- and took about 10 years off of my life getting there. I'm not saying either is bad; hell I happily cheered for both as both were great in their own way... but both also had their flaws.

It'd be nice to have someone that I didn't have to worry about... here is hoping that Frankamp or Mason pay out, we could get a couple years of peace.

More of a Minsky's fan for pizza.

Mark Lindrud 6 months, 3 weeks ago

How would you like it if it was your daughter in that pic? I have no problem with what happens, but respecting yourself and keeping things private is the issue. That's been my stance. Stay out of the public eye. If you want to call me a jackal, go for it. I don't care.

Adam Miller 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I don't have children, but if I did I'd understand that they make their own choices and live with their own consequences -- you (and others) are working off of the premise that she wasn't complicit in these horrid acts of doom. It looks to me like she didn't have an issue with the photo being taken.

Sam Constance 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Seriously. Where is all this "oh that poor girl!!" garbage coming from?

It's clearly not a candid shot, seeing as how there is a flash going off. She's clearly not protesting the shot being taken.

Tharpe posting the picture, in and of itself, is not a crime. Even if the girl ends up deciding she doesn't want it out on the internet. Now of course, she has the right to get it taken down, and I can't help but think if she asked/told Tharpe to take it down, he would.

WORTH NOTING: the photo is already gone, so clearly this is not a case of harassment.

Mark Lindrud 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I am not saying that poor girl at all to clarify and I agree she is definitely in the moment with him. Lots of girls would love to "hook up" with a star athlete in college so I am not saying she is innocent. I am actually saying if that was my daughter I would be upset with her that a picture like this got online. You can't control what happens, but having the decency to keep your private life private is a different matter.

Adam Miller 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Mark, I'll agree with you there... if I was the father in that situation, we'd definitely have a conversation punctuated with a few old 'Red Forman' "dumbass"es in it.

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

News flash - starting PG for elite college program has questionable photo taken and posted on social media, World celebrates, he is held as a model for society and asked to lead a discussion on new morality in today's age. Sound better in your fantasy world Adam? If this behavior was accepted, character clauses in professional contracts would not exist. They do. If "Naa" wants to get paid at the next level he needs to show better judgement. It's all about the money right Adam? If you catch my drift.

Adam Miller 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Actually, I'm not sure exactly WHAT you're trying to say here. Is this intended to be satirical? I don't catch your drift.

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I kind of thought this would go over your head. You act like this will and should have no consequences. Way to cavalier for my tastes. You are missing Tharpes responsibility to KU. He is not just a student having fun.

Adam Miller 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Oh no, I got that... I just couldn't believe that you actually think that KU means anything outside of the people who were raised in Kansas or attended the university. Dude, it's a very small population of people who follow KU sports to the degree that this blip made an appearance.

He's not held up as a model because -- now brace yourself -- no one outside of this small collection of people CARE. He has offended half of you on this forum (and on a couple others, but I'd be willing to bet some of you are there too) and my guess would be that's about it. I'm a student and talk to other students (and alums); a large portion of them just find it funny or mark it down as "good for him" or reply with something like "stop talking about stupid sportsball."

He IS just a student having fun... the sad part is, since all of this is so important to YOU personally, you think it matters to everyone else as much as it does to you.

Eh, in a bit no one will even remember. Hell, if he plays well next season no one will even acknowledge that they were tearing him down this season -- they'll all have always loved him.

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Adam brace yourself, this is a reply section to an article on a local paper. It is just people sounding off. Imagine if we were in a sports bar. You are taking this way to seriously buddy. I don't like what you said, I kind of made fun of it. It matters to us, also it will matter to a lot of folks who judge college players. It also matters to any fan of our program who, get this Adam follow KU but do not post here. It mattered to my buddies in North Carolina, and Syracuse. I hear it has gotten some play at KY though they are busy with the final four right now. So you are mistaken. He represents KU, the photo is a bonehead move, he knows it, Self knows it. He sucks as a player, said it all year. Btw capping words is Juvenile, but since you are a student, sigh, I guess you get to act that way. Kidding just cause you are in college does not give you a pass to act like an idiot. Tharpes issue is the photo. Without it who cares what he does as long as he does not hurt our program.

Mark Lindrud 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Agree with you Rodney. Only thing I will add is as long as he isn't causing harm to himself or others.

Adam Miller 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Ad hominem. Check it out.

Look, I see about 6 people who are really mad, and yet a 100+ comments. You're unhappy -- we get it. Oh no, NOW you might hear bad things from UK, UNC, and 'Cuse fans (as if they ever really needed a reason). Ok, we get that too.

I think the telling part is this: "He sucks as a player, said it all year." You're just someone with an ax to grind -- it wouldn't matter if it was a picture of him with a chick or smoking a doob, or spitting on the ground; you just don't like him. And that's fine, this is a public forum... but as you have nothing really solid to be angry about, you're reaching. Beyond that, you're showing how short-sighted and bitter some of our fan base is ON that public forum -- well, you and the other 6 unhappy souls who simply want to see Naa hurt.

What is astounding is that you are so spoiled, that you think KU has a RIGHT to something. Oh, "we do" this or "we do" that. We had a team of freshman, with a junior leader in his first year running the whole show and we had a bad game at just the wrong time and now you want someone to blame. I saw plenty of people out there just like you blaming Wiggins for not having his heart in it; others go after Ellis for not being physical and plenty, like you, go after Naa -- and even a few crazies talked about Self and conspiracy theories about Embiid. Yet it all comes down to this: you cannot figure out how we lost, and you are not smart enough to realize that sometimes potential isn't matched by product. You're also not adult enough to forgive a youth their mistakes (both on and off the court). You act as if you have some personal stake in this... yet you don't have a dog in this fight. You're just somebody who whines and the rest of the world walks by sort of shaking their head. Now, that would be my ad hominem attack on you.

And just to tell you, I understand that you were attempting to be condescending with the whole "juvenile" and "you are a student" thing... but you missed your mark. I capitalize specific words to add emphasis and establish cadence and rhythm in what I write. Personal habit, not age. Hemingway used to use italics, Hunter S. broken phrases and Tom Wolfe... well, he was just wacky on acid (in a verbal form). So, call it what you will -- it has precedent.

Adam Miller 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Stellar answer: thank you for proving my point. Enjoy your day.

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Adam you seriously have no clue. Stellar, really your first word is Stellar? What's next Dude where's my car? Pathetic.

Luca Rossi 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I think this is blown a bit out of proportion, these are kids that obviously still have a lot to learn. Its not good pub for KU but I also don't think its worth of being kicked off the team. NT will probably spend a lot of "extra" time with Hudy and be in reaaaaaly great conditioning shape as a result of this one...

Tony Bandle 6 months, 3 weeks ago

My first thoughts after reading many of the comments on this site.....what are future potential recruits and their families thinking about "Kansas Nation" if they have seen this article's postings?

All I can say is, if I was to list all of my stupid decisons before the age of 25, it would be "Jaybatian" in length.

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

And How many of those have photos attached? I have more than my share too. You cannot allow yourself to be put in a position where a photo like that can be taken. He is not just some kid having a good time, he represents KU too. He is on scholarship he has responsibilities. I would venture to say few if any potential recruits read this, and if they see the photo they are not going to have any issues with it. So I think from that point of view we are safe if you want to call it that.

Sam Constance 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Yes, we've heard from the zero tolerance side of the fence Rodney.

He made a mistake. It was a bad look for the university and certainly reflects poorly on Tharpe's judgement. It is not the federal case that you and others are making of it.

Worth noting: Twitter didn't exist when you and I were Tharpe's age. The entire social media phenomenon is relatively new. To act as if you could have guaranteed that nothing like this would have ever happened (not exactly like this, but a similar online display of poor judgement) ignores the fact that it COULDN'T have happened.

The times have changed, but 18-22 year olds are still 18-22 year olds.

Note that this was irresponsible and that he deserves some form of reprimand and move on. The rabble rousing is unbecoming.

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Settle down Sam. Your constant white knight routine is not working, you are not the calm within the storm, get over yourself. You think by saying Federal Case that means something to me, they are just comments Sam. Typical Sam over reacting and blaming others. Look to be honest I am just glad you did not write 3 sections of your babble with some mind wandering nonsense on what you see the world is, as you try to find a point to make. Talk about wasting space here.

Adam Miller 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Wow Rodney, every single response -- ad hominem attack.

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

You don't have to read them Adam, don't you have beer to drink or something? Latin this semester, don't spend to much time on it Adam, hint it's a dead language lol. When you get to Freud or Darwin let us know. Throwing around a lot of subjects hmmmm, means you feel the need to show superior intelligence. Must not be used to feeling the fool. I wIll share with you a secret....... Get used to it!

Adam Miller 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Can't quite figure out whether you're a 15 year old trying to troll or a 50 year old with the emotional development of a 15 year...

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Don't worry about it Adam you really don't care. You going to have to do better than that to insult me, right now grade school level is not going to cut it. What else you got? Superior intelligence, big words, maybe something about lack of etiquette....wait used those. Give up chump or want to keep going?

Adam Miller 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Sure, I have nothing better to do at the moment. I imagine your shift at Taco Bell won't start until later, so go ahead man -- keep responding ad nauseum. That your wife in the picture?

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

So Adam what can you possibly add to an intelligent conversation? All I see from you is basic playground pushing and shoving. Whining, lots of listen to me I know what I am talking about and you are a meany. Do you still live at home in the basement? Doing anything tonight in the real world or just the virtual world? Between 200 and 400 how many times you watched Star Trek next gen?

Adam Miller 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Oh Mewly Rodney, you abandoned "intelligent conversation" quite a bit ago so I figured "why try?" Heh, man, quite a wild group of assumptions you've made there -- I'm starting to see why you have such a jacked view of the world. I wouldn't recommend you play any form of guessing game. I have never lived in a basement, also don't think I've sat through an episode of "Star Trek next gen". Things to do. Funny that you were able to respond all day long though... means I'm still stuck on the fence about the whole 15 or 50 year old thing. Ok, my turn to guess: Republican?

So no response on my question... I guess that picture is probably not your wife. Daughter?

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Not as smart as you think you are buddy??? Miss miss miss. You are going to have to do better than that Adam to hold my attention. Guys like you bore me if you cannot at least be creative. I know your type, thinking you got it figured out. Nothing but a waste of humanity. Only know one way to respond. By the way you suck at being a detective too. Is there anything at all you do well? Not think you do well, but things you actually do well. Oh and puffing your chest out is not considered a skill... Step up or step off I think is how you children say it right? (That was a clue btw). Trying to help you along little guy

Adam Miller 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I never claimed to be bright, you made that assumption (or that at least the idea that I claim that I am) and what makes you think that I'd know what the hell children or kids say (That was a clue btw)? I said "student", that can cover a whole spectrum of folks.

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

yawn... ok I comment on here all the time, chime in again when you feel the need. Got to take on the day.

Sam Constance 6 months, 3 weeks ago

What does this reply even mean? White knight routine? Calm within the storm? I'm not even sure what you're trying to say. Although it never ceases to amaze me how oblivious you can be to your own behavior while getting so riled up about how others treat you on the message boards. It's truly an exercise in cognitive dissonance. You talk to Adam Miller about "intelligent conversation"--what part of this response to me do you consider intelligent? Because it honestly reads like the response of someone who has been drinking and is just angry for no reason.

Back to the topic (if you care to continue): My only point is that the general reaction to this failure of judgement is an overreaction. I agree that he made a mistake. I agree that he failed to exercise good judgement. But I can also see that he lives in a very different world than you or I did when we were growing up and so his mistakes are compounded to an exponential degree. I think he should be cut a small measure of slack for that. Not let off the hook, mind you--he should be punished--but shown a measure of understanding.

I wish people who are up in arms about this would try to remember what kinds of choices they made when they were 20 years old and how those choices might have gone differently had there been something as exposing and permanent as the internet and social media at that time.

Protip: "Federal case" is an idiom that typically means "making a bigger deal out of something than is necessary". One would think that doesn't need to be explained to someone who used the term "calm within the storm" (another idiom) to describe what he thinks of my behavior.

Adam Miller 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Sam, I don't know about you but my memory of my early 20's is a little... umm hazy now. Perhaps this has something to do with peoples' feelings on the subject... well, that and we have a tendency to gild the lily when it comes to youth.

Janet Olin 6 months, 3 weeks ago

This is about NT's boneheaded choices and poor judgement that reflects badly on him and the program he is supposed to represent. Hope he's really proud when his daughter Googles daddy some time in the future.Prior to this new technology, a dumb mistake wasn't 'out there' permanently preserved for posterity. Young athletes are advised about the dangers of photos/videos; he apparently wasn't listening. Please, Naa, Just. Go. Away.

Benz Junque 6 months, 3 weeks ago

"My first thoughts after reading many of the comments on this site.....what are future potential recruits and their families thinking about "Kansas Nation" if they have seen this article's postings?"

Really?!? My first thought was...what are future potential recruits and their familiers thinking about a Kansas program where this is the behavior of the guy who is the experienced leader of the team?

Chad Greenlee 6 months, 3 weeks ago

enjoy your double standards.. would there be an uproar if someone on an academic schollie had done this????

Aaron Paisley 6 months, 3 weeks ago

If that person was in the public eye, then yes it would be an issue. That's the difference between you or me and Naadir. Naadir is a figure in the public eye and this is not the first time he's shown a lack of common sense off the court. When you have a history of showing a lack of common sense, public figure or not, it hurts the trust factor that those around you have in you and Naadir hasn't given many reasons to believe he'll get his head on straight on or off the court while at KU.

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I would hope so Chad. It amazes me how many on here think this is ok, no biggie. Total lack of common sense from Tharpe. Disrespectful photo.

Aaron Paisley 6 months, 3 weeks ago

The issue here is not that Naadir Tharpe is a sexually active college student. The issue is that either he took the photo and posted it himself or just put himself in a position to have that photo go public. It's about a lack of common sense from Naadir Tharpe that he has shown throughout his career that is the issue people have. Whether his lack of common sense off the court is the cause of his erratic play on the court can be debated all day long, I personally think the two go hand in hand in this case. At the end of the day, this incident on its own is not a big deal, but when combined with the other issues Tharpe has had off the court, it shows a lack of common sense and that is the big deal for someone who is supposed to be a leader for a national championship caliber team.

Sam Constance 6 months, 3 weeks ago

What other issues off the court are you referring to?

Genuine question. Because this is the FIRST such issue that I can think of occurring with him.

The problem is that you seem to want to conflate this with his on-court play, because it makes you mad that he's playing inconsistently, then you see this and it's irresponsible--THEY MUST BE CONNECTED!!!

Rodney Crain 6 months, 3 weeks ago

I don't know maybe he just likes making bad decisions on and off the court. Connected, well, after so many it does make you wonder...

Sam Constance 6 months, 3 weeks ago

See, a much more level-headed response. Not sure why you couldn't have taken this approach in response to my other comment towards you.

Aaron Paisley 6 months, 3 weeks ago

Naadir had a kid while in HS. At that age, and even at his current age, common sense should say use protection so you don't get the girl pregnant and so you don't get an STD. Naadir was also suspended for the second exhibition fame this year for an undisclosed reason. I'm going to gout on a limb and say there was a lack of common sense involved there as well. If this selfie was the first time Tharpe had shown poor judgment off the floor, then I wouldn't relate to two because there wouldn't be enough evidence to relate his on court decision making to his off court decision making. However, this is at least his third time displaying a complete lack of common sense, so yes, I do think there is enough evidence in Tharpe's case to reasonably believe that there is a correlation between his on court and off court decision making abilities.

Sam Constance 6 months, 3 weeks ago

While having a child in HS is probably unwise, I have a hard time putting that in the category of "off the court issues". That's an awfully big stretch and depends more on cultural norms and standards than it does some absolute level of wrongdoing. Who am I (or you) to say if it's inappropriate if he has the means to take care of that child?

You are incorrect about the suspension on two fronts: 1) He did play for the second exhibition game, but did not start. He was suspended for our season opener. 2) The reason was disclosed--he was suspended for playing in a summer league game in Chicago with Traylor, which was only prohibited because the game wasn't in the Lawrence area and Naadir is not from Chicago.

While technically "off the court", the suspension was directly related to basketball. This was not an issue of a player being suspended for breaking team rules. Or some undisclosed reason (that was Jamari).

I agree that he has displayed issues in judgement. But issues in judgement regarding life in general and issues with decision-making as a point guard are extremely different in nature. I think it requires a bit of supposition to definitively connect the two.

Steve Swart 6 months, 3 weeks ago

It will be addressed and it will be handled internally... Looked to me like this is what Naa was doing. Just sayin. :s)

Tim Hill 6 months, 3 weeks ago

So you are a starting PG at an elite college basketball program that gets it's fair share of media attention. A married woman (im assuming she did this) pulls out a camera and wants to take a pic...all while you are naked and she is half naked...you would think that a thought of "maybe I shouldn't have a photo of me like this existing" would pass through your mind, not look right at the camera.

It's common sense for these guys. They are drilled on off court behavior i'm sure. His ball play and other actions like this may see him being pushed down the bench with other capable players ready to go that don't seem to have these issues playing before him. From what I have seen, Bill doesn't put up with this crap and I'm sure we will see how he handles it once the season starts with very little Tharpe play. Just a prediction, but I don't think he will put his other guys in Tharpe's hands as a leader/ role model. He has too much respect for his kids than to do that.

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