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Originally published October 15, 2012 at 11:18a.m., updated October 15, 2012 at 11:59p.m.

Big pick-up: Combo guard Wayne Selden commits to KU basketball

Mom, five-star recruit had great time at Late Night in Phog

Wayne Selden, middle front row, sits behind the bench during Late Night in the Phog on Friday, Oct. 12, 2012 at Allen Fieldhouse. Selden was one of 24 players selected for the 2013 McDonald's All-American game.

Wayne Selden, middle front row, sits behind the bench during Late Night in the Phog on Friday, Oct. 12, 2012 at Allen Fieldhouse. Selden was one of 24 players selected for the 2013 McDonald's All-American game.

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Lavette Pitts, the mother of five-star basketball prospect Wayne Selden, figured big things were ahead for her oldest son the day he was born.

“He was 11 pounds, 4 ounces at birth,” Pitts revealed Monday in a phone interview discussing the 6-foot-51⁄2, 220-pounder’s oral commitment to play basketball at Kansas University.

“He’s a genuinely sweet kid, giving, respectful of others, real funny and so focused,” Pitts added in describing the elite combo guard out of Tilton (N.H.) School, who is rated No. 14 nationally by ESPN.com and No. 23 by Rivals.com. “He’s been that way from the time he was 4 or 5 years old.”

Selden, who chose KU over Ohio State, Florida, UCLA, Syracuse and Missouri, showed maturity in the way he handled the announcement of his oral commitment, which Monday classified as big news in the recruiting world.

“Blown away” by Friday’s Late Night in the Phog, the highlight of his weekend campus visit, Selden committed to KU coach Bill Self on Saturday night. However, he decided to fly back to his hometown of Roxbury, Mass., with his mom, dad Wayne, Sr., and godmother Edie Janas, to phone coaches from the other schools who were pursuing him.

“It was out of respect for the other schools: ‘Let’s not say anything until he makes these phone calls to give them the news,’” Pitts said. “It was hard for all of us to sit on it (news). We said, ‘Let’s be respectful of this process.’”

So after informing runner-up coaches and canceling some campus visits, Selden quietly — without the benefit of a lavish news conference — announced his decision to some national recruiting writers Monday before attending classes at Tilton.

“I felt it (KU) was the right fit for me as a person and player,” Selden told the Journal-World. “I knew coming into the visit Kansas was my leader, and, after meeting the players and coaches, I knew it was the right place for me. It’s like a family there.”

Selden’s close family members also gave thumbs-up to all aspects of the visit.

“I loved Late Night. I was more looking at it from a parent standpoint,” said Pitts, who works as a program director for “The Home for Little Wanderers,” which counsels inner-city youths in Roxbury, which is about an hour and a half drive from Tilton School’s campus.

“After I first walked in (to Allen Fieldhouse) I was overwhelmed by it. I said, ‘This is serious business here.’ As we sat there, the facility seemed to get smaller because of the family-type atmosphere.”

Meeting all the players and many of the players’ parents reinforced what Pitts felt on an in-home visit with Self and assistant Norm Roberts: that KU might be a special place.

“As the mother of an elite athlete, I had to deal with some people not necessarily on the up-and-up,” Pitts said. “To talk with coach Self and coach Roberts … I said after the visit, ‘Listen, I think that school is No. 1 at this point.’ We did know this is a process and wanted to go through the process. But as soon as Wayne walked in there (Allen Fieldhouse), looking so calm, I knew inside this is where he wanted to be and should be. My whole thing became, ‘Why continue to look?’ He loved the camaraderie of the team and coaches. I said, ‘If I’m not around, my child will still feel this nurturing feeling.’ I was in awe,” Selden’s mom added.

So she and Wayne Sr. gave their approval to end the recruiting process, with Wayne making just the one official visit. Selden’s 12-year-old brother, Anthony, who couldn’t make the trip because of a youth football commitment, also was fine with the decision.

“Going into the visit I knew it was my leader,” Selden said of KU. “After I talked to everybody there, I knew it was the right school for me.”

As far as the basketball part of the decision …

“I think I fit in well with their style of play,” Selden said. “My strengths would be able to initiate offense, be able to play well in the open floor. My weakness right now is probably rebounding and off-the-ball defense that I will continue to work on.”

As far as playing point guard or shooting guard, Selden said: “Wherever the coaches want me to play, I’ll play.”

Tilton coach Marcus O’Neil used Selden at various positions last season, including the point. Selden averaged 16 points (off 55 percent shooting), five assists and three rebounds a game his junior campaign.

“He has a unique combination of strength, speed and skill. He is a triple threat. He can shoot, drive and pass the ball,” O’Neil said. “He’s played point guard to power forward for us. He is a dangerous guy wherever he is on the floor.

“He’s a very good student and citizen on our campus. We think Kansas is getting an outstanding young man and extremely talented player, somebody who can contribute in a variety of ways. I like his versatility. He can put points on the board.”

As far as Selden, who gave up football at the age of 12, being known as a physical guard, O’Neil acknowledged: “He does a lot of pushing people around.”

O’Neil also is OK with Selden’s decision.

“Obviously, it (KU) has a long history of success, great tradition there,” O’Neil said. “Any time you speak to anybody from that staff ... they are impressive guys, professional. Kansas meets all the criteria. After talking with his family and evaluating all the colleges, their programs and academic offerings, he made the decision that is where he wanted to be.”

Selden certainly will be in the running for a spot in the McDonald’s All-America Game.

“I don’t really even know what position to call him, because he can play the point, because he’s good at pick-and-roll. He’s big enough to play the 3. He can play the 2,” Rivals.com national recruiting analyst Eric Bossi said. “I wouldn’t call him a shooter, but he’s a big-time athlete. He makes plays happen off the dribble. The kid’s 230 pounds, and it’s not because he’s chubby. So physically, he’s ready for college basketball.

“If anything, I would almost think a strength coach may want to try to lean him down by 10 pounds when he gets to college and really sculpt what he’s already got and try to add to his flexibility and quickness.”

Selden during the summer decided to reclassify back to the Class of 2013 after last year deciding to be in the Class of 2014.

“Originally it was me who asked him to reclassify,” his mom said. “I was concerned whether he could keep up academically. He got there (Tilton, after attending Roxbury’s O’Bryant High in 2009-10) and excelled and continued to do better and better. We decided to evaluate the situation and decided to go back to his original class of 2013 because he was academically ready and physically ready. He dominates a lot of times, especially high school kids.”

KU now has four commitments from players in the Class of 2013, with one left to award, more if any players leave the program early. The commitments are from: No. 22-rated Brannen Greene, 6-7 Tift County High, Forsyth, Ga.; No. 28-rated Conner Frankamp, 6-foot, Wichita North; and No. 131 Frank Mason, 5-11, Massanutten Military Academy, Petersburg, Va.

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Ken Tschetter 6 years, 7 months ago

AWESOME!! Great news! In Self we trust....

Scott MacWilliams 6 years, 7 months ago

And my favorite quote: "My whole thing became, ‘Why continue to look?’ He loved the camaraderie of the team and coaches. I said, ‘If I’m not around, my child will still feel this nurturing feeling.’ I was in awe,” Selden’s mom added."

That's the power of the love of Jayhawk Nation funneled through AFH on Late Night!!!

Displayhawk 6 years, 7 months ago

This was my favorite quote! ...... ‘This is serious business here.’ As we sat there, the facility seemed to get smaller because of the family-type atmosphere.” You can tell that this is one very intelligent lady, and that a lot of it rubbed off on her son!!! Plus it is nice to have another Wayne S. here in Larrytown! Welcome and best of luck in the future!

RJ King 6 years, 7 months ago

Absolutely agree. Intuitive, insightful, intelligent, great instincts!

Lavette Pitts - my new favorite Jayhawk Mom!!!

hawk316 6 years, 7 months ago

My favorite quote was...

"Selden committed to KU coach Bill Self on Saturday night. However, he decided to fly back to his hometown...to phone coaches from the other schools who were pursuing him."

“It was out of respect for the other schools: ‘Let’s not say anything until he makes these phone calls to give them the news,’” Pitts said. “It was hard for all of us to sit on it (news). We said, ‘Let’s be respectful of this process.’”

So after informing runner-up coaches and canceling some campus visits, Selden quietly — without the benefit of a lavish news conference — announced his decision to some national recruiting writers Monday before attending classes at Tilton.

How refreshing! We obviously got a classy kid here. He's already got a fan in yours truly.

JayhawkRock78 6 years, 7 months ago

Looks like the real deal on paper and on video. I loved the "Why look further?" comment too. Self Is awesome and jayhawk nation keeps building!!!

SkyWalkinKU 6 years, 7 months ago

Been hoping to land Selden for months glad he is a Jayhawk!

Gordon or Embiid would round this class out nicely (Both would be a dream come true).

DRsmith 6 years, 7 months ago

Nice pickup. Now we just have to hope HCBS doesn't turn him into a 2nd round pick so KU can keep recruiting at a high level.

Miguel Colón 6 years, 7 months ago

Dude are you seriously posting that!?!? Really u must be a Kensucky troll!

DRsmith 6 years, 7 months ago

Post what? Is it not the truth? I am a UK and KU fan.

David Leathers 6 years, 7 months ago

Heck no it's not the truth.

See: Jeff Withey (soon to be lottery pick), Thomas Robinson, Morris twins.

If you're referring to Josh Selby, then you have serious reality issues. Selby's poor performance was in no way Self's fault. Try blaming the NCAA.

DRsmith 6 years, 7 months ago

Wow, OK. I will wait for someone who cares to have a civil debate. Just because one is critical of the program doesn't make them less of a fan. I did the same with UK during the latter Tubby days and the Gillespie years.

Michael Bratisax 6 years, 7 months ago

Complete fabrication. You can malign the truth as far as you want but the facts speak for themselves.

HCBS has a proven record of bringing "project players" such as Sasha Kuan into the draft. How many other coaches could have given Brady Morningstar a serious shot at an NBA team.

And finally, it is physically impossible to be both a KU and a UK fan. It would be easier to stick your head up your rectum.

John Randall 6 years, 7 months ago

Well, he does have the "head up" move down pat. Maybe he does have the kind of flexibility you are doubting, to devote himself to a carillon and a Calliope.

John Randall 6 years, 7 months ago

Well, he does have the "head up" move down pat. Maybe the good DR does have the kind of flexibility you are doubting, to devote himself to a carillon and a Calliope.

John Randall 6 years, 7 months ago

Well, he does have the "head up" move down pat. Maybe the good DR does have the kind of flexibility you are doubting, to devote himself to a carillon and a Calliope.

Miguel Colón 6 years, 7 months ago

THANKS konkeyDong, DRsmith, enjoy UK getting the Death Penalty! I hope your job is to clean all the slime Calimari's trail leaves!

AsadZ 6 years, 7 months ago

DRSmith, Please stop posting rubbish on this site. You cannot be a KU fan.

soapisurfriend 6 years, 7 months ago

I think we can agree that Self did not turn Selby into a second round pick. But I will say this. Granted, I don't want to be "that guy", but if you think that top recruits don't look at Selby when considering coming here, I'm afraid you are mistaken. Having said that, it is part of the package. Part of coming to Kansas is knowing that you may have to wait your turn. Top guys go to Kentucky because the turnover is such that immediate playing time is available since Cal got there. If you think that Frankamp, Greene, Selden, White, Tharpe, Adams, Mason, and potentially Mclemore, all log significant minutes next year, then again, I'm afraid you're further mistaken. Self, to my knowledge, is up-front about that when he goes in to a top recruit's home and many of those guys don't want to spend a year here because of that. I do love the Selden pick-up, though.

RJ King 6 years, 7 months ago

You are right about the Self process. But Selby's having to wait his turn was as much due to the NCAA and his ankle, as to Self's wait-your-turn philosophy. After all, X logged a ton of minutes as a freshman. Hopefully recruits have that much basic knowledge.

I think Self wants to give the most minutes to his Best 5. The debate for Self is which is greater: veterans with slightly less athleticism, or rookies with great skills.

Clydecito 6 years, 7 months ago

Selby's summer hand/finger injury is probably what delayed his development the most. He spent over 6 weeks without a ball in his hands before and after he got to campus, before the suspension was imposed.

RJ King 6 years, 7 months ago

Good hand/finger injury knowledge! I forgot about that - and you make a good point.

My argument is with the idea that Self has a "wait your turn" philosophy. I think he plays kids as soon as he thinks they are ready to replace a player with more experience. Controversy comes when the player, their family, or our fans don't agree with his assessment of "readiness."

Joel Thomas 6 years, 7 months ago

Recruits can't be so naive to buy into such a small sample size, can they? Selby's career was an unfortunate string of bad luck, but other players have blossomed. Maybe most haven't blossomed in the league, but at some point - probably at most points - it is upon the player to succeed. Nor can be recruits be as paranoid as us fans, can they? We see their rank next to their name, while they are privy to much more information, information on which we speculate, information we'd die for. As fans, we're paranoid, and so see omens, and jump to the end result of our fears (fans of all the big programs are like this in a way: Will Cal eventually leave UK? Will Coach K step down soon? Etc). All of this only to say Selby's status as a second round pick out of KU probably matters very little.

Which is neither here nor there. Great get in Selden. I'm excited to see him play.

Michael Bratisax 6 years, 7 months ago

Think BayHawk nailed it. Selby had too much turmoil his freshman year. I he had stayed AND fully committed to a 2nd year..maybe Kansas would have taken home the NCAA championship. Even if we still lost in the championship game, Selby would have been an early first-round pick. Patience!

Benz Junque 6 years, 7 months ago

Only a UK fan would be more concerned with where the guy ends up in the DRAFT versus how he fits on the team in college. Typical.

I don't care if Selden goes undrafted, so long as he is great for Kansas. Self and staff have done a great job with all of the recruits they have brought in that wanted to be here. Henry and Selby had no interest in being in college and they got out of it what they put into it.

This makes three Top 40 guards coming to KU next year. Selden and Frankamp are both shooting guards that can play PG and Tharpe can provide some pure PG skills as necessary. Ku should be lethal from the perimeter next year.

kranny 6 years, 7 months ago

Anybody else on this board counting the days until Calipari has UK on probation for multiple violations? Seems to follow the dude wherever he goes.

Dirk Medema 6 years, 7 months ago

Bt this is UK we're talking about. How many decades of recruiting violations did they get away with in the 50's? 60's?

Kind of right up there with the chances of Duke/K getting hit. What was the deal with them recently that has become a non-issue, but would have had other teams cooking?

BC5 6 years, 7 months ago

Morris twins, both first rounders. And how are you a UK and KU fan? Do you also like UNC, Duke, and UCLA? Must be fun for you around March, Your team always wins.

jhox 6 years, 7 months ago

DRsmith, clearly you've not read all of the quotes from NBA execs talking about how poorly prepared the UK guys are coming into the league. Calicheat starts with the best players and they don't get better. They essentially get drafted where they would have been drafted straight out of high school, if they were still allowed to make that jump.

JayJayPG 6 years, 7 months ago

Self + #2 Recruiting Class > Cal #1 Recruiting Class

Vernon Riggs 6 years, 7 months ago

You don't hang banners for the #1 Recruiting class

texashawk10 6 years, 7 months ago

It's going to be tough to beat that 2005 class with Julian Wright (8th), Mario Chalmers (12th), Brandon Rush (13th), and Micah Downs (28th). That's 3 top 15 players and 4 top 30 players (yes I know Downs didn't last very long), but that was a class with three 5 star guys and one 4 star. Even if Self lands Aaron Gordon, yes there's 4 top 30 players, but it would be one 5 star and three 4 star players. This class does have the potential to be one of Self's best, but even with Gordon, I still give the edge to the 2005 class for now.

Robert Murphy 6 years, 7 months ago

I saw Downs playing for the Boston Celtics last night, what a surprise.

Ben Simonett 6 years, 7 months ago

UK will get #1 Florida will get #2. one more top 50 guy and the class is locked in at #3

John Randall 6 years, 7 months ago

I believe the lonestar jayhawk has the most pertinent reply to kD.

Miguel Colón 6 years, 7 months ago

Welcome to Rock Chalk Nation! I want Gordon and Embiid, and maybe Peters!

Vernon Riggs 6 years, 7 months ago

How many scholarships are available in your universe? Because you are two over for this universe. 13 = FULL. Redshirts count towards scholarship limit of 13.

Miguel Colón 6 years, 7 months ago

Unfortunately we would have to have someone leave the program.

frompekka2sasha 6 years, 7 months ago

Man...I just wish Coach Self could recruit! It was depressing last year when we went to the finals but didn't have a bunch of Top 10 commits. The most important thing to me is to have guys play only one year and be very highly regarded on ESPN or Rivals.

kranny 6 years, 7 months ago

Not enough sarcasm to clue in the naysayers but I got it.

Jack Wilson 6 years, 7 months ago

Terrific news.

Don't forget about Tyler Roberson coming in this weekend. Self had talked to him about being a Marcus Morris type player.

Had just heard someone over the weekend say that our only recruiting equity from the final four run was Frank Mason, since Frankamp and Greene had already committed. Not so much now.

jaybate 6 years, 7 months ago

Yes, its going to be interesting to see if a ripple effect comes from this.

He's ranked a #23, not a #1-3 type, like Josh and Xavier, but he seems magnetic and a stand out in what remains unsigned.

The key would seem to be what further bigs UK signs and what the recruits and their advisors think will happen with Noels and Willie Caullie next year.

I like Aaron Gordon a lot.

I don't see Randle nixing UK, unless Noels and Caullie are coming back (unlikely) and UK signs some bigs this season that are scorers. Randle isn't an offensive machine. If Cal were to sign a lot of scorers, that could discourage him.

On the other hand, KU with Withey leaving, does not present insurmountable big man competition.

Selden landed.

Embiid soon to fall.

What the hell! Roberson could be the guy.

But I keep thinking about Gordon getting a call from Paul Pierce and TRob.

Gordon would really slot in the best of all this guys, based on muscle and scoring for next year.

But Embiid two seasons from now gives me ring dreams.

JayDocMD 6 years, 7 months ago

Nerlens Noel is no doubt gone after one year - although it may be a year riding the bench like Enes Kanter did. But Willie Cauley is not a one, two or three and done. He'll be lucky to be a 2nd rounder after 4 years. Kid is soft.

Alex Peekeaton 6 years, 7 months ago

Cauley-Stein is a lot stronger since stepping foot on the UK campus...Calipari has said he can't believe how good he is.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/13/willie-cauley-stein-dunk-nerlens-noel-kentucky_n_1963755.html

JayDocMD 6 years, 7 months ago

Just stepped on campus and voila - kids a world beater. Magical. Good thing he won't have to compete against the KC area high school kids who consistently outworked/outplayed him.

He'll get his numbers there at UK just by being surrounded by so much talent, being tall and by hanging out around the rim. Some NBA team may even get fooled into drafting the kid based on those numbers and potential. But based on what I've seen from him, he doesn't have the mentality to succeed as a big man.

Eric Williams 6 years, 7 months ago

Is Cauley better or worse than Daniel Orton?

Curtis Stutz 6 years, 7 months ago

Cauley looks too athletic to stay in college for more than 2 years. He might stay after this season if Poythress, Wiltjer and Noel eat up all the minutes, but he won't be around awfully long.

jhox 6 years, 7 months ago

The thing going for us, in relation to Randle, is that UK's class is so loaded he may be concerned with the fact that there is only one ball to go around. If he's smart, he's looking at KU's class and thinking it is talented enough to give him the kind of support he needs to have a great season and make the NBA jump after one year, without having to compete quite so hard with his teammates to touch the ball, which will be the situation at UK. By all accounts the Harrison twins are pretty selfish players, which should amplify his concerns about touching the ball a lot.

bayhawker 6 years, 7 months ago

One of Bostons finest, this kid is a beast!

86Jayhawk 6 years, 7 months ago

This is becoming a truly dominant class. With the addition of a big man, and some development this year, we will be more than comfortable at 4 out of 5 positions. Even more so if BMac stays two years. Selden's athleticism should take some of the pressure off of our shooters and allow him to penetrate the lane to score, or pass to an open shooter.

Ron Prichard 6 years, 7 months ago

YES, heck YES, freaking heck YES!!!!

It makes it even sweeter when it says, Selden "chose KU over UConn, Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina."

Who's the bluest of the blue bloods, baby!!

DRsmith 6 years, 7 months ago

UK was no longer an option after the Harrison twins committed.

DRsmith 6 years, 7 months ago

The writing was on the wall. No way would UK take a chance on missing out on the twins for Selden. Had he not reclassified, he would definitely be in the mix for UK 2014.

Robin Smith 6 years, 7 months ago

I mean I know our website is better than anything UK's got, but why are you here?

Jesse Johnson 6 years, 7 months ago

YEEEEESSSSSS!!!! He was by far on the top of my wishlist of the remaining recruits. Now if we can land Embiid or Vonleh and this class would be legendary!!!!

Miguel Colón 6 years, 7 months ago

So does this send a message to Randle that we are serious, or does he still go to UK?

Kevin Huffman 6 years, 7 months ago

I would think that if UK goes and gets Marcus Lee (and he doesn't choose to go with his classmate to Cal), then he may well consider coming here. If he'd come here we might have to go with no "5" and play with two 4's. But I'd be perfectly fine with that. I think the ABSOLUTE best thing that could happen BY FAR, would be if we could SOMEHOW now get both Embiid now and Randle in the Spring.....Maybe that would make someone have to redshirt (Lucas possibly?), but Randle would be a guaranteed OAD and they'd get plenty of playing time the next season most likely. Releford accommodated and he was higher ranking than whoever we would ask to redshirt under than dream scenario.

Heck, I'd still be plenty happy if we got all 3 of the Late Night visitors and no Randle too. Gordon's game does sound a LOT like B. Griffin's only maybe 2 1/2" or so shorter.

Vernon Riggs 6 years, 7 months ago

Redshirts still count to the 13 scholarship limit. IF, if we sign Randle and Embiid, one of our current scholarship players must go. I wouldn't trade any of our current scholarship players go for a OAD player like Randle.

Curtis Stutz 6 years, 7 months ago

lonestar is right there, but in a perfect world I'd say BMac dominates this year, leads KU in steals and maybe scoring on the way to a national title, then goes high in the lottery, opening up room in the guard rotation for all this talent coming in and opening up a schollie for KU to bring in both Randle and Embiid to round out this class. Is that too much to ask?

Miguel Colón 6 years, 7 months ago

I couldnt agree with you more! I would take either, but I would still like to get Peters and have Mason consider going elsewhere.

Andy Tweedy 6 years, 7 months ago

but you've never seen him play! I understand why you'd say that, but give the kid a shot...HCBS has...

Thomas Michaud 6 years, 7 months ago

woah, wait ... I thought you all said that HCBS couldn't recruit. I'm all confused now.

On a side note, for a second, I thought my email said that Wayne SIMIEN had committed.

Welcome Wayne SELDEN!! Glad to have you in Jayhawk Nation! Can't wait to waste the next few minutes watching some YouTube video (now that I won't be depressed thinking you might commit someplace else -- as some here thought you might). ;-)

Thomas Michaud 6 years, 7 months ago

Woah, my <sarcasm> </sarcasm> code element got eaten up on that first line! Must be a new HTML5 semantic tag for sports sites.

Thomas Michaud 6 years, 7 months ago

Just done watching that and that is just SICK ... SICK, SICK, SICK ...

SICK!

really.

Seriously.

sick.

ClydeTurnbuckle 6 years, 7 months ago

He's got that D-Wade Euro step, drops dimes like Nash and can flat out get up. Love this guy.

LAJayhawk 6 years, 7 months ago

He's like a slightly shorter version of TRob who can play point guard.... What a beast.

Marcus Duncan 6 years, 7 months ago

I was watching Seldon during the "Late Night" festivities and he really seemed into it. He was clapping and even stood when the crowd stood during the "Dream On" video. A lot of recruits think they can't get excited or can't show any favortism towards a school, but just watching Seldon react to different things Friday night, really gave me hope that he would choose KU. . . and now he has made it official!!! Embiid has now moved KU to the top of his list as well!! ROCK CHALK!!!

702Hawk 6 years, 7 months ago

Rock chalk. He is a complete mixture of X's size, Julian's crazy passes (everyone has to be on their toes when he is on the court, including the tuba player), Collins love to make contact in the paint, and Robinson's want to rip the rim off the backboard every time he dunks. I am pumped for him and for this class. They will really be training against the best every day.

Tony Bandle 6 years, 7 months ago

Wayne "Seldom Misses" Selden will join Conner, Brannen and Frank...with JO JO, "The Embedder" not far behind as a full house recruitting class:

  • PG - Frank
  • SG - Conner
  • SWING - Wayne
  • SF - Brannen
  • CTR - Jo Jo

Very nice indeed, plus Perry, A&W, Rio, Naadir, BenMac [hopefully], Zach Attack, Jamari and Landon.

Boy oh boy..can't wait till 2013-2014.......well, maybe until 2012-2013 is done :).

texashawk10 6 years, 7 months ago

That would be very sick, but not necessarily a bad thing if it never happens. If BMac is good enough to go pro after this season, that opens up the first guaranteed scholarship for the 2014 class to go get an elite point guard.

texashawk10 6 years, 7 months ago

Correction to my post, BMac would have to stay 2 years to open up a 2014 scholarship which means he and Selden would spend a year together.

jaybate 6 years, 7 months ago

This is just awesome news.

I am going back to the ER again for another zap from the paddles to get my heart rhythm reset for the third time today!!!!!

Miguel Colón 6 years, 7 months ago

I'll wait un line with you jaybate! Do you think the stabbing incident at Syracuse and our safe and warm enviroment had anything to do with his decision?

jaybate 6 years, 7 months ago

I don't know. Anything is possible.

But from the minute I heard about this guy recently and saw the tape, I just felt this guy has Self written all over him. I felt Self and he were one of those player combinations that are providence, if only the ShoeCos would get out of the way and let it happen.

But what the hell do I know!!!!!

wildjayhawk 6 years, 7 months ago

Better check you running mouth at the same time could be a problem with you brain.

Jacob Zutterman 6 years, 7 months ago

This is the best news I've heard since Cummings was put in at QB last week. Selden might be my new favorite KU basketball player

jaybate 6 years, 7 months ago

Go, Bill, go!!!!

Get Embiid next.

I want to be gloriously, fabulously, order of magnitude wrong about what your recruiting has been up against.

I want to be broad side of the barn wrong, broad side of the solar system wrong, broad side of the universe wrong!!!!!!!

Yeeee haaaawwwwwww....

Go, Bill, go!!!!!!!!!

HawkKlaw 6 years, 7 months ago

Selden's photo on rivals.com is courtesy of Nike. Not sure if that means Nike sponsors his AAU team or not, but if so that would certainly throw a wrench into your shoe-allegiance theory.

Here's hoping we're both wrong on our "theories" and that Bill Self disproves us with authority!

jaybate 6 years, 7 months ago

HawkKlaw, you're beautiful.

I went out and bought a set of beads and I'm polishing them now and praying we are both wrong together.

Remember Casablanca?

"Louie, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship."

Robin Smith 6 years, 7 months ago

I just gave Thumbs Up to all the good posts I'm that stoked about this.

Priest Fontaine 6 years, 7 months ago

Terrific news. Just what we needed. A big, strong guard that can power the ball to the hole and finish at the rim with authority! Plus, he is an excellent passer. He is going to be the key to getting our outside assassins (Frankamp, White, Greene) plenty of wide-open looks.

Ludwig Supraphonic 6 years, 7 months ago

Wow! Power, speed, size. What awesome news!

Sam Brockert 6 years, 7 months ago

Anyone know who the guy on the far right of that picture is? He looks less than interested...

SkyWalkinKU 6 years, 7 months ago

That's Embiid on the end of the row of recruits. Between him and Selden is Elbert Robinson

SkyWalkinKU 6 years, 7 months ago

Junior Center Class of 2014. Espn ranks him #57 Rivals #43

Vernon Riggs 6 years, 7 months ago

Elbert is a Junior this year. He is a 2014 Recruit.

Dirk Medema 6 years, 7 months ago

Loks like Jermaine Lawrence (http://kansas.scout.com/a.z?s=172&p=8&c=1&nid=5416253) to me, though that's not someone that I had heard much about or visiting.

Kevin Huffman 6 years, 7 months ago

I don't see a place to post a Poll so let's do it the old-fashioned way:

How many years do you think before Selden would jump to the NBA?:

A) 1 B) 2 C) 3 D) 4

I'm thinking B) or C), but I suspect that it's B). I think he'll have an acclimation - though certainly showing some things his freshman season and then a "breakout" in his Sophomore year. I read on ESPN's article that he said that the KU coaches had a plan for him.

I think we're going to do something we've NEVER done before. I think he's going to be like a baseball unitily player. I think they're SERIOUSLY considering letting him as he progresses play the 1, 2 OR 3. Now THAT's a highly marketable tool to have when heading to the NBA. From everything I'm reading in his scouting report and the only thinking of why he wouldn't be A) 1 - would be I think he needs to SHOW that he can consistently hit the outside shot. The ability to drive, pass, board, block shots, go get loose balls, etc. is there and will probably be there from the word "go". Others kept wanting to say that they were like Wade - i.e., A. Adams, Doyle, etc. Selden is like a more physically cut Wade. Maybe not as good of a ballhandler, but it could be a good comparison.

SkyWalkinKU 6 years, 7 months ago

I think he is B)2 years, but even without an outside shot if he shows he can consistently get into the paint and make plays he'll be projected as a first round pick (since physically he doesn't have much to develop).

Benz Junque 6 years, 7 months ago

Why do people think that every player in the Top 25 rankings is leaving college after 1 or 2 years? There's only a small handful of players that have made that transition in that short a period of time. He is a good player, but he isn't Derrick Rose. Let's assume he is going to college for 4 years and be thrilled if he develops to the point where leaving early is an option for him (a la T-Rob).

Jerry Rockhold 6 years, 7 months ago

And so it begins, ANOTHER CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON for HCBS. RCJH, GO KU!!!

jbal32 6 years, 7 months ago

Great News!!! Rock Chalk!!! I think it was more of Withey doing the Gangnam Style dance myself that convinced Mr. Selden to commit. http://youtu.be/9bZkp7q19f0

Spencer Goff 6 years, 7 months ago

Man, this kid is a tank. That's a guard?

1jhawk2 6 years, 7 months ago

Reminds me of Keith Langord. A thick body attacker with athleticism. Great get, now we need Randle, Gordon or Emblid to finish strong. Any chance of getting 2 and losing Frank Mason for the scholarship?

texashawk10 6 years, 7 months ago

One helluva backup if McLemore stays and one helluva starting 2 guard if McLemore goes after this year.

RJ King 6 years, 7 months ago

No mention of a HAT ceremony. Yeah!!! Here are some excerpts from his chat with ESPN.

Selden is comfortable in a small-town setting. "Growing up in the city (Boston), there are always distractions both positive and negative. Tilton helped me stay focused on academics and basketball. Lawrence, Kansas, is a great college town and has the same feeling as Tilton."

"I must work on my lateral speed to defend better and keep working on my ballhandling," Selden said. "Coach Self is a great coach, he has a plan for me."

Selden couldn't help but notice the family atmosphere. "I noticed the connection between the players, coaches and the fans, as well as the family members of the players," he said. "It was special."

Jack Wilson 6 years, 7 months ago

Appreciate the info .. if there is one coach that will help the young man defend better, it's coach Self.

jaybate 6 years, 7 months ago

Hell, yes, Self has a plan for Selden!

Impact on every square inch of the floor!!!!

Mark Lindrud 6 years, 7 months ago

I find it fascinating that when we miss out on someone a lot of people cry that we can't get the big recruits or that we get a point guard no one likes that we aren't recruiting the BIG boys. Everyone will start screaming the sky is falling as if Self sucks as a coach, can't recruit and that we won't make the final four or win the Big 12. Obviously, I am being a bit facetious.

We just finished our 8th consecutive year as Big 12 Champs and went to the Final Four and held our own against a vastly superior team in the National Championship game. In hindsight we overachieved last year realistically with our team, but Self knows what he is doing and knows what type of players he needs to continue being highly successful. We are all day dreaming of starting line ups and rotations, which I am in the same boat because we all know how much talent is coming onto this campus in addition to the talent we now have. With White, Ellis, Peters, Big Mac, Tharpe, and Lucas(yes they will be good eventually) along with Traylor we already have the makings of a highly talented team. Next year's additions will add to the talent pool even more so.

As far as Kentucky, the program mostly lives off of OAD's while Kansas likes to bring guys along for the long haul and that is just the differences in our programs, which also effects recruiting for both schools. Both programs know what they want and they go out and get it. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years we get back to the Final Four and there is Kentucky waiting for us again, but as we have shown before as Jayhawks we take each challenge head on and always will. Enjoy the moments and cherish what we have because we have something special.

JHAWKNPHX 6 years, 7 months ago

Welcome to the family Wayne RCJHK!!!!

Rock Chalk 6 years, 7 months ago

Passing along tweets from Conner and Wayne Selden read on the message boards. Haven't seen them here yet:

Conner Frankamp ‏@CFrankamp_23

S/O to @WayneSelden23 for committing to the best school in the country! #ROCKCHALK


@WayneSelden23

kucmb !! Thank God for the opportunity !! Rock Chalk

Love them!

Ben Berglund 6 years, 7 months ago

Saw Brannen Greene hitting up Wayne on there as well.

jayhawkinATL 6 years, 7 months ago

Come on, Mr. Gordon...just cut to the chase and commit to KU...you KNOW you want to!

RJ King 6 years, 7 months ago

Hard to overestimate the significance of guard play in the tournament. We've gotten killed by guard combos in the past from Rhode Island (Cutino Mobley/Tyson Wheeler) to Arizona (Bibby & Simon) to Gerry freaking McNamarra, and so on. I know Withey's blocks were crucial last year, but I'm excited at the thought of our guard skills and depth come tourney time.

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Karen Mansfield-Stewart 6 years, 7 months ago

Great article. Thanks for sharing. I'm very excited about Selden, Frankamp, and Greene!!! I'm still holding out hope for Randle! That would turn amazing into epic!

Jack Wilson 6 years, 7 months ago

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Tony Bandle 6 years, 7 months ago

WOW..HEM, did you get bleeped for a three-peat or did you just set a Kansas posting record for getting bleeped on three consecutive yet different posts!! :)

Robert Brock 6 years, 7 months ago

Scout ranks Selden at number 13 and ESPN ranks him at the number 14 spot. Get with the program, Bossi !!!

Chris1955 6 years, 7 months ago

Welcome Wayne Selden! Our Rox Chalk Jayhawk! I wonder if a certain Boston Celtic had any conversations with Wayne?

James Kiernan 6 years, 7 months ago

I hope not. That conversation is a screaming NCAA recruiting violation. Paul=Booster.

texashawk10 6 years, 7 months ago

If having a famous alum or fan talk to a recruit to persuade them to come to their school, then Calipari has been breaking that rule for years.

JHAWK34TRUTH 6 years, 7 months ago

Welcome to the family Wayne!

ROCK CHALK

HawkKlaw 6 years, 7 months ago

This is ridiculously good news for Jayhawk nation! Congrats to Bill Self and his staff for all their hard work this recruiting season.

If you are indeed a KU fan, this is the part where you stop complaining about Bill Self missing out on recruits.

Sure, we can all look at UK and see that they have the best recruiting class in the nation (yet again). No surprise there. But at this point, if we complain about Bill Self's recruiting this season, we are really just showing how entitled we've become at Kansas. You can't ask for a coach to do more than what Bill Self is doing right now.

This is huge for the program here at KU. Selden looks like the perimeter-player version of TRob. I can't wait to see him in beast-mode at KU. And it sounds like a high-caliber post-player is on the way too.

Bill Self is setting himself up for another championship run.

Rock Chalk!

HawkKlaw 6 years, 7 months ago

Oooh, this is a toughy. Maybe:

1 - Frankamp (I know it's not his natural position, but he's a combo guard. He played SG by necessity in High School, he will play PG by necessity at KU) 2 - BMac/Selden 3 - Selden/Greene 4 - Perry Ellis 5 - Zach Peters (Randle/Embiid pending)

And our bench will be pretty stacked too! I think Naadir will be a legitimate contender for starting PG and Andrew White will be one of the best bench players in the country. Bill Self has some difficult decisions ahead of him, which is awesome.

Tony Bandle 6 years, 7 months ago

I think Jaydogger is 80% correct [still 80% if BenMac leaves]...I just have a feeling there's going be another Jo Jo in Crimson and Blue that's going to "kill it' on the court!!!

wrwlumpy 6 years, 7 months ago

He passes the ball like Magic. ROCK CHALK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jocelyn Kennedy 6 years, 7 months ago

As emotional I get and overwhelmed even after countless Late Night events - how could anyone not be caught up and want to come to school here??? I'm so happy!!

nwhawk 6 years, 7 months ago

What are you thinking if you're Frank Mason today?

texashawk10 6 years, 7 months ago

Bill Self has never redshirted anyone as a freshmen unless he was forced into it by the NCAA. Everyone that has voluntarily taken a redshirt at KU has done so their second year on campus. Jeremy Case, Brady Morningstar, Travis Relford, and Mario Little all redshirted their second season at KU.

86Jayhawk 6 years, 7 months ago

Haha I can only hope the same!

I am enjoying the prosepctive roster as it stands and seeing all the athletes.

Our length at the 2/3 should fit perfectly with the defensive philosophy of BS.

Curtis Stutz 6 years, 7 months ago

I hope he's thinking, I've got an edge on this year's recruits, a full season with this staff and team and Elijah Johnson's leadership. It's a blessing and I won't take it for granted. I think 'Rio has the potential to be a special pg for KU.

Chris Shaw 6 years, 7 months ago

I am like "Hell Yeah". I get to throw lob passes to Ben McLemore, Wayne Selden, and Perry Ellis, and I get to penetrate and kick out to Frankamp, Greene, and White.

"I should be the first ever Jayhawk to average 10 assists a game!"

Steve Reigle 6 years, 7 months ago

Welcome, Wayne! Just the kind of young man we like to have at Kansas.

Brian Stoops 6 years, 7 months ago

Oh, great - some excellent recruiting news.

Just what I needed...............another reason to procrastinate on some much needed studying!

Alohahawk 6 years, 7 months ago

I believe: I must salute Mr. Selden with a huge 'ALOHA', for his very astute choice of where he will play college basketball.

I believe: I made this prognosis (about a month go), when I posted that I had this feeling inside that Selden would chose KU. (Boy-O-Boy! If only I could predict everything that accurately!)

I believe: That the love and desire shown by most of the posters on this board, that Selden was at or very near the top of their recruit lists, may have greatly influenced Wayne's choice to attend KU. Maybe even as much as Late Night did. Late Night was probably the icing on the cake, which had been baking over the last few weeks. I assume he had been reading our numerous posts beforehand, which declared so much hope that Wayne would chose KU, that it could only have jump-started his decision. The Jayhawk Nation has come through magnificently, on this board and in AFH.

I believe: That Wayne's decision could, as mentioned above, significantly benefit KU's recruiting. Embiid has already stated KU is leading on his list. And if there was any sort of connection made between the two during their visit to Late Night, Selden's commitment could help solidify JoJo's keeping KU at the top. And then again, perhaps the same could be said about any connection with Gordon. "Oh, what a tangled web Self weaves"!!!

I believe: That Selden will be a Jayhawk for at least 2 years, but he'll jump to the NBA before his 4th year. Obviously, that means he will have a great career as a Jayhawk.

I believe: If JoJo Embiid were to chose KU, that Self would have an elite combo of former KU great's names from the past - Wayne and JoJo. Plus, Self already has a 'White' on the roster, so he just needs to add a 'JoJo' ?

I believe: That as long as KU can hold court this season, that the following season should be a no-brainer, and KU will win its 10th straight Big 12 Conference BB Championship, and should make it to a Final Four, or higher. (Hummm. Here I go predicting again.)

I believe: In HCBS, and in his assistants. When in doubt, believe in one Self." Pun intended.

Ben Simonett 6 years, 7 months ago

I'm more worried about winning #10 than #9.

winning #10 w ill require doing it with an entire team of freshman/sophs

Priest Fontaine 6 years, 7 months ago

we'd still have Tharpe and Wesley as upper classmen and B-mac and Traylor with a ton of experience. Valedictorian Ellis should pick up the game quickly. Seems like a lot of the other young guys are going to be sponges as well. Not too worried.

jhox 6 years, 7 months ago

Made my day, my week, my month and my year. This kid freakin' excites me. I recently saw an article suggesting he should be in the argument for the number 1 player in the country based on his performances the past year.

Joe Baker 6 years, 7 months ago

Where are all the Self-doubters in recruiting top ranked players?

bennybob? others?

How many more do we need bennybob? ranked high enough? You prefer the top 10-15, maybe 25 to bring home the NC? -LOL

We have Gordon, Peters, and Randle left to commit. Embiid seems high on KU too.

Rock Chalk

HawkKlaw 6 years, 7 months ago

Ha! I was wondering this same thing. This class is on par with Self's "early" KU recruiting classes, which makes it pretty hard to argue that KU is in a recruiting slump.

I hate to say "I told you so," benny ol' boy!

Ben Simonett 6 years, 7 months ago

First, I've never said Self coudln't recruit. I was just merely making the truthful observation that he hadn't been recruiting at his typical level for quite some time.

Second, although this is a great signing and a great class, it was lucky. all our eggs were in the Seldon basket. If the staff didn't get him it would have been Tarc all over again.

I am very very excited about this class, but i'm still not impressed with how it was assembled.

Steve Reigle 6 years, 7 months ago

I guess that's why he makes the big bucks and we don't.

FarSideHawk 6 years, 7 months ago

Great surprise, when I finally got a chance to log on to the website late in the day!

So we have only one more scholarship to give?

Who is at the top of your wish list? Even though Randle and Gordon are listed higher, I would prefer Embiid as a more longer term prospect and a true center.

  1. Embiid
  2. Randle
  3. Gordon

Would love to see others' leaderboard!

SkyWalkinKU 6 years, 7 months ago

Mine would have to be

  1. Embiid ( He separates himself from other centers potential wise because he moves so fluidly,he could develop a dominate post game especially with that killer spin move.)

  2. Gordon ( Think he is more committed than Randle on the defensive end, plus I can see him being a 2-3 year college player)

3.Randle ( Love his face up game, ball handling and Athleticism. But he screams OAD so I'd prefer the other two before him)

Ben Simonett 6 years, 7 months ago

Think about this back court:

1 - Seldon 6' 5" 2/3 - Mclemore 6' 5" 2/3 - White 6' 6" 2/3 - Greene 6' 6"

That is NBA size right there. throw in frankamp and you've got arguably the best trio of snipers in the contry between him White and Greene.

phins13td 6 years, 7 months ago

Looks like Wesley wont be on scholarship next season.

Tony Bandle 6 years, 7 months ago

What a great four days to be a Kansas Jayhawk BBall fan and alumni and a life-long St. Louis Cardinal season ticket holder!!!!!! Heck, even the Hawks and Rams football teams did not embarass themselves!!

Regarding the choices above, 1. JO JO, 2. JO JO, 3.JO JO.

Jack Wilson 6 years, 7 months ago

Am I the only one here who would rather have Tyler Roberson than Joel Embiid?

It's not a tough call for me. I don't like developmental players, even with arguably better upside, when you have a top 30ish guy right there. If it was the #75 guy vs. Embiid? Ok. But not Roberson.

Roberson looks like a guy that would be a real active 4. Could pair him with Ellis as 4 and 4a (see Jackson and Arthur). Better yet, he's a top 30 player. Skills ready now. Surely understands that if he doesn't develop in college, he won't play in the NBA. Best place to develop .. KU. Best place for available playing time on his list as a freshman .. KU. We need a top level, highly skilled post player.

Let's give Roberson the guarantee that we're out of the Randle mix. We won't recruit over him in this class. Lock him down.

Of course, Aaron Gordon would be great, too. Personally, I'd rather have Roberson for 3 years than Gordon for 1. Or waiting on Embiid for a full year or two to be a rotation guy, with the end product a pretty big wild card.

Jack Wilson 6 years, 7 months ago

I understand .... something about a 5 star commit that makes me a bit lightheaded too.

trustyourSelf 6 years, 7 months ago

I would rather have Embiid. I base that on what next years roster will look like. We will have plenty of 6'8"/6'9" guys, but having a true center will be an asset. He'll be dominant by his junior year.

jaybate 6 years, 7 months ago

A Bird in the hand....on Roberson...is worth two in the bush.

But Embiid's upside is so huge that we're talking 3-4 in the bush.

The problem with Embiid is this: will the NBA lay off for him long enough to develop 2-3 years into an NBA ready player in college, or will they suffer premature draftjaculation on a footer, and pluck him up after only one year?

He's pretty much worthless as a one year project.

He's got value as a two year project.

But if he were to play a third year, then he's got Olajuwan written on him.

For this reason, Embiid is a complicated guy to give a ride to.

My hunch is that Danny was up for Late Night to talk to Embiid about coming to Tulsa, if Gordon, Roberson, or another solid big were to sign with KU.

The best thing for Embiid would be 3 years with Danny. And if you care about the game and about this young man, who is so freakishly athletic, on the one hand, and so freakishly underdeveloped on the other, then Self has to have told him: we will need you with Withey leaving, if we don't sign anyone else, but if we do, your fall backs are LB and Janks at SMU, or the one I most recommend: Manning at Tulsa.

Ben Berglund 6 years, 7 months ago

I want Embiid. I was originally concerned about him being a project, but watch his tapes, they'll assuage your concerns, dude is an athlete. Plus you can't teach size. Gotta have a 7 footer.

texashawk10 6 years, 7 months ago

I know Emibiid isn't ranked now HEM, but it sounds like most recruiting experts are expecting him to jump into the top 50 at least whenever their next updates are released.

Personally, I would rather have Embiid because it sounds like he is developing at a very fast pace and could very well end up contributing in year 1 on campus as a shot blocker at the very least. I don't think Peters will be a great shot blocker and with his rotator cuff issue, it may be questionable if he can be the 13.3% that he showed he could be in Europe. Self's teams are always quite a bit better defensively when there is a great shot blocker protecting the rim and Embiid is the best shot blocker left that's a realistic option for KU.

Curtis Stutz 6 years, 7 months ago

Compare the size of the guys and Jackson was a lot bigger than either Ellis or Roberson, Arthur was probably bigger than either of them as well. Don't think it's a good comparison. I don't mind the idea of of small ball too much, but it helps to have a big anchor. Can you imagine either of Roberson or Ellis trying to keep Sullinger out of the paint last year? Throw in the fact that Jackson basically split minutes with Kaun and there were some big bodies in the middle of that defense. Add that Roberson kind of sounds like he wants to play wing and I'd feel much better about landing Embiid. Landing both would be fantastic (assuming a scholarship opens up from either BMac going pro or someone transfering).

Robert Brown 6 years, 7 months ago

I'm not sure what this says about our fan base:

Comments submitted within three hours of posting of an article on a BASKETBALL recruit that no one here really knows and who will not play for at least another year: Over 120

Most comments submitted in the 40+ hours to any article referring to the football game this past weekend: About 70.

I imagine that most people only know what the recruiting sites say about these guys and they are not always right. It appears the fan base has more enthusiasm speculating about the 2013-14 basketball season than discussing our current football team.

phins13td 6 years, 7 months ago

Obviously, because the football team gets harpooned each week. This just in, Charlie Weis is not the answer. Look at his track record - its screams AVERAGE.

phins13td 6 years, 7 months ago

@ IIBastardo, calling me an average fan is laughable. Perhaps you should look at the track record of Charlie Weis. He is a .500 coach. If you are hoping for anything more than .500 from Charlie you are dreaming and setting yourself up for disappointment. Facts are facts.

jbal32 6 years, 7 months ago

Hey Phins, at this point average for the football team IS A GOOD THING!!!!!!!!

Dan Pawlowski 6 years, 7 months ago

Your mastery of the obvious is sportscaster material

Curtis Stutz 6 years, 7 months ago

If there was an article about how 5 5star recruits just committed to KU football together there would be plenty of comments. Since a football team plays what 50 guys in a game and a basketball team maybe 10, that would be on par with this news. So when that happens and there are only 70 comments you could show this kind of concern. Until then it's impossible to compare.

Alohahawk 6 years, 7 months ago

Have a hypothetical question: With the major portion of BB recruiting soon winding down (with just one KU scholarship left unclaimed for next season - barring NBA jumps or transfers), and with the season just around the corner, towards what portion of Self's performance as KU's head coach will BennyBob redirect his dissatisfaction? His discontent?

Don't give yourself away too soon, BennyBob. Let us posters guess first. Look at it this way. You'll get a free psychoanalysis.

I'd say it will have something to do with players playing out of position: A 3 playing at the 4, or a 2 playing at the 1.

FarSideHawk, I'll take Embiid 1st (because he's not an OAD), followed really close by Gordon (who is). With Randleis 3rd, only because he seems out of reach.

Ben Simonett 6 years, 7 months ago

HA!

I haven't seen what kind of offense Self is going to run this year to critique his coaching yet.

Ill tell you this right now. With both Mclemore and EJ on the court I will be very unhappy if we don't run at least 3-4 set plays a game lobbing it to the rimto take advantage of those leapers.

Steve Reigle 6 years, 7 months ago

I'm wondering how come they're not paying you the big bucks instead of Bill Self. Oh, never mind, I think I know the answer to that.

Ryan Sullivan 6 years, 7 months ago

Yeeeeeeeeeeees!

Or as Bob Davis might say "Swiiiiiiiiiiiiish!"

Wayne, you are absolutely right about the connection between the program and the fans. You have great instincts. And we welcome you into the arms of Jayhawk Nation.

KGphoto 6 years, 7 months ago

I haven't been this excited about a recruit in a long time. That's a man right there! I don't care what his ranking is, this guy was my number one, Christmas list must-have.

The things that Bill Self could do with a 235 pound sharp-shooting, Magic Johnson-passing, dunk-contest-winning guard, come conference play...

If we land Embild, It's time to break out a cigar and a bottle of 18 year old Talisker.

phins13td 6 years, 7 months ago

Fans went nuts when Brandon Rush committed. This has a similar feel.

Casey Gee 6 years, 7 months ago

Embiid would be nice. But, I'm still hoping for a Julius Randle commitment. He's a sure fire one and done, but he looks ready to contribute big for whoever he's with for a year.

Ben Simonett 6 years, 7 months ago

ATTN: LJW

if your going to make a Sheron Collins comparison. This is the guy you do it with.

Martin Rosenblum 6 years, 7 months ago

Man, I can't believe you're the first to mention this! I was thinking the same thing watching those videos. Sherron was about four-six inches of being this guy. He would be playing exhibition games right now if he wasn't height challenged. Seldon does need to shed those Collins Big Mac layers, though if he's going to run with the big dogs in D1.

KGphoto 6 years, 7 months ago

Actually you should see Selden's training regiment. He has a very detailed training schedule complete with calorie and protein-counted meals. I think Hudy will be in heaven training this guy.

Dirk Medema 6 years, 7 months ago

I was thinking more Derron Williams from the Self archives, but a stretched Sheron isn't bad either, or maybe a Chi-town smoosh of Juju and Sheron.

Jack Wilson 6 years, 7 months ago

See, the ranking is nice, isn't it? Come on .. you "rankings doubters" out there. You care about his ranking a little bit now? Just a bit? Sure you do. You've looked. It's below 30. You can't resist, you've looked. It's below 20 in some places. Pleasing is the word. You like seeing three Jayhawks up that high. And you'd like another one. Of course you would. You're intrigued. Mason was, well, nice. You could weave a story. But this is different. It's a bit intoxicating, isn't it? It speaks for itself. It really is ok. We understand. We accept you. Rankings do matter.Say it with me. And there's no shame in admitting it. We won't think less of you.

HawkKlaw 6 years, 7 months ago

I can see both sides of this argument, and I hate to say it HEM, but the "Trust in Self" crowd that you loathe appears to be right here also.

It's a win-win in this case, isn't it?

The rankings are (kind of) important and it's also (kind of) important to just trust that Bill Self will put KU in the position to win big every year.

Ben Simonett 6 years, 7 months ago

HawkKlaw,

The recruiting staff had its backs against the wall again this year, Luckily they were able to get out of it unscathed. But that doesn't make me feel any better about being in that position again.

dylans 6 years, 7 months ago

Do you think that maybe, just maybe, the cupboard being bare is why Self is able to land so much talent at once? Plenty of playing time available and it's on tv! You can't land top talent and expect them to be content to ride the pine.

Ben Simonett 6 years, 7 months ago

Yes you can, Self proved that for years up until Selby

dylans 6 years, 7 months ago

Who had to sit? Collins was out of control as a freshman. Downs wasn't all he was cracked up to be. What high ranked recruit has been asked to sit on the bench at KU in Bill's tenure?

texashawk10 6 years, 7 months ago

This year's starting PG, unless of course you don't consider a 5 star kid to be highly ranked.

Ben Simonett 6 years, 7 months ago

Cole, Kieff, Trob, EJ....... none started as freshmen

HawkKlaw 6 years, 7 months ago

Wow, this is so nit-picky. The coaching staff cannot please people like you, benny. The classic example of "you just can't please everyone."

Of course the lack of depth has lead to an increase in KU's ability to land high-caliber recruits. Look at last year's class: Perry Ellis, Andrew White, Rio Adams, Zach Peters...those players are nothing to sneeze at. It's obvious that the lack of high-impact players on KUs roster has lead to a couple very good recruiting classes recently for the recruiting staff.

My original theory was that Bill Self missed on recruits in 2011 because he couldn't promise PT to high-caliber players when Marcus, Markieff and Selby were in the starting five and outside of that year, Bill Self has done a really good job recruiting. It's looking more and more like that theory holds a lot of weight.

Ben Simonett 6 years, 7 months ago

I'm sure having PT helped attract talent this time around.

My whole point was that the inverse isn't true.

Its been proven that great recruiting classes can be done with a stack roster coming back

HawkKlaw 6 years, 7 months ago

"Its been proven that great recruiting classes can be done with a stack roster coming back."

Okay, you can't just say that and not provide evidence. Let me see the facts and I'll believe you.

dylans 6 years, 7 months ago

None were top 20 prospects either. EJ is a great example to support your cause, but his play earned him the bench as well as the play of players ahead of him. Unfortunately EJ has been slower to develop than I thought he would be, however I feel he should be a stud this year.

dylans 6 years, 7 months ago

None were top 20 prospects either. EJ is a great example to support your cause, but his play earned him the bench as well as the play of players ahead of him. Unfortunately EJ has been slower to develop than I thought he would be, however, I feel he should be a stud this year.

HawkKlaw 6 years, 7 months ago

See, that's the difference between us, benny. You think that landing Selden was "luck" on KU's part. I think it was a very calculated series of events by Bill Self & Co. to make sure that one of the best players in the country ends up at KU. Bill Self did what he always tends to do, and that is deliver. That's why the "Trust in Self" crowd exists.

Ben Simonett 6 years, 7 months ago

It was only "licky" because the staff was down to their final strike. If they missed on Seldon thrings would have gotten ugly real quick.

Had Seldon commited a month ago when were still pursuing Cat Barber and D Jackson. It would have still been a great siging but not as "lucky" because there would have still been options if we missed on Seldon.

jhox 6 years, 7 months ago

I'm not that excited about his ranking. Frankly, from what I see his ranking is way too low. He should be top 3 or 4, so that's what I think of his ranking. What I like is the kid's body, athleticism and skills. This is the first guy we've signed in a very long time who I've really believed is near NBA ready right out of the box.

Dirk Medema 6 years, 7 months ago

The ranking is nice, but does little for me compared to the video. Love that it shows him making great passes, blocking shots, taking 3's, as well as the dunks.

HawkKlaw 6 years, 7 months ago

The fact that Selden chose KU over Ohio State, Florida, UCLA and Syracuse speaks volumes.

Ben Simonett 6 years, 7 months ago

If Seldon can indeed play the point it makes Frankamp at the 2 much more possible.

I've always slated Frankamp as a point because i didn't believe Self would allow a guard to give up the 4-5 inches in his defensive match up to play him at the 2. With Seldon, the two can just switch matchups on the defense end and put the smaller Frankamp on the opposing point and the 6'5 Seldon on the opposing off guard.

I'll predict right now we will rarely see Frankamp/Tharpe on the court at the same time.

jaybate 6 years, 7 months ago

You've hit the essence of what Selden allows.

A pile driving muscle man on the point punishing opposing PGs taking them into the paint.

With White and Frankamp on the wings shooting 45% from trey.

With Perry and good big inside, this becomes the definitive Self ball team. Defense stretched on both wings.

Bigs wide open.

PG guard cramming it down the throat and fouling out the opposing PG.

But I was chastened on the idea of Self ever playing Selden at the point by too many.

Still, even Bill would have reconsider his orthodoxy to have the defense this stretched and the bigs this open and the opposing PG this fouled up...every flipping night.

Ben Simonett 6 years, 7 months ago

yup, now we just have to work on filling in the "good big" were missing from that scenario

Dirk Medema 6 years, 7 months ago

Or rather than stick to the traditional 1 thru 5, embrace the Self philosophy of 2 to 3 ballhandlers and 2 bigs.

hawkmoon2020 6 years, 7 months ago

Unbelievable! And to think we could have been posting here next March waiting to hear word from Seldon (and others.) What a relief, and what a HUGE get for Kansas Nation! Anyone else is pure gravy, and that's a nice position to be in. Can't imagine Randle or Gordon heading to KU as both seem probable for OAD status. But I don't know squat. I do know that JoJo would be another quality get, and definitely a 2-4 year guy depending on progress and hoopla . . . and Hudy!!! Fact is now we need a PF and/or C to round the class out. Will a bonafide PF come when we still have capable PF's in Ellis, Traylor, Peters, and Wesley? I say there's room to showcase their talents, AND develope their skills further . . . but 4 veterans is hard to penetrate.

Scott Smetana 6 years, 7 months ago

Yee Haw!
Now all we need is for Peyton to crush Crybaby Rivers tonight, then it's a great sports day!

Andrew Washington 6 years, 7 months ago

Are we leading for Gordon, where are we with Randle??

Robin Smith 6 years, 7 months ago

We are thought to be trailing either of two west coast schools for Gordon and a somewhat longshot for Randle.

We do have a shot with both, though. With Gordon I'm especially optimistic because he tweeted some very excited words following Late Night -- a Late Night that convinced a five-star recruit to pull the trigger -- and his tweets were of the I'm-surprisingly-impressed-in-a-way-I-wasn't-expecting kind of way, like maybe the experience will alter his current thinking. On top of all that, all the potential big guys have to be tempted by playing with a great big play-making guard and killer shooter all-around, with a big hole in the middle ready to be filled.

Martin Rosenblum 6 years, 7 months ago

Wayne is a good name for a Jayhawk. I believe there's been at least one other noteable Wayne on the court at AFH. And, I believe one had the same initials, oddly enough!

AsadZ 6 years, 7 months ago

On a different note does anyone has a link to this year's Late Night Video? Thanks in advance

Michael Pannacciulli 6 years, 7 months ago

Made my day. This kid has the body, brains, skills, personality...love it. Very god day for KU ball. Late Night snags another recruit!

Casey Gee 6 years, 7 months ago

So since he moved up from the class of 2014 to the class of 2013 does this mean that he has to stay at least 2 years?

Dirk Medema 6 years, 7 months ago

No guarentee where he is age-wise. He could be starting KU as a 17, 18, or 19 yo. Declaring "early" may have just put him back with his "normal" class.

soapisurfriend 6 years, 7 months ago

Exactly right. Selden was originally in the 2013 class and reclassified to the 2014 class before going back again at Tilton. Either way, you can declare for the draft after your graduating class is one year removed from graduation. Just like Selden's teammate Nerlens Noel did last year and Wiggins may do this year, although he is reportedly leaning towards staying in 2014.

Martin Rosenblum 6 years, 7 months ago

A Kentucky fan questioning recruiting?

That's a good one! Almost as funny as the one that goes "What do they call a second year basketball player at Kentucky?.......nobody knows! "

Martin Rosenblum 6 years, 7 months ago

Exactly!

That's the point!

Recruiting is supposed to be for benefit of the university.

The KY program is not the NBA's private pool of talent as some coaches (Cal) may seem to believe and practice.

Ryan Knuth 6 years, 7 months ago

I am pretty sure Cauley didn't want any part of KU, at least that is what I heard. That is why Self didn't waste his time on him. Plus, I played 6A basketball in KS and stats can be distorted around here, especially when you're as tall as Cauley. Not saying he is a bad player, but there are not too many 6'9" kids around Johnson County, KS.

Brand Willis 6 years, 7 months ago

why do you even care about talking to us? we hate you and don't care what you think about self. hes the best coach in college basketball and has never had any final fours stripped, no wins vacated, its done the right way and thats all that matters. i don't even know what website cares about uk because i really don't.

Ryan Knuth 6 years, 7 months ago

I did read the comment. I stated that Cauley didn't want to play at KU. Did you not read my comment? And, yes, Cauley has potential... I did say that I didn't think he was bad. I was just commenting on the lack of talent in the state of KS. No idea how he did on the AAU circuit, but he is not going against 6'8" and above here in KS every single game.

Karen Mansfield-Stewart 6 years, 7 months ago

No worries UK - don't take offense to some commentors. UK has a great program. We hope for a rematch in the title game real soon!

DRsmith 6 years, 7 months ago

Trust me UKAllDay, this is the wrong place to come for intelligent discussion about BBall. Not sure if they are still butt hurt from the championship game or what. It is unfortunate because on other boards, KU fans are actually pretty well rounded. This crowd will downplay the rankings when they sign a player ranked 75+ and then turn around and Thank the Lord when they sign a top 15 guy, which obviously doesn't happen often with Self. My advice is to stick with the Rivals or scout boards.

DRsmith 6 years, 7 months ago

Wow, you can't read either. I am a fan of both but you already called BS on that since you know me so well.

Helen Gross 6 years, 7 months ago

Kensucky fans need to go to the missery boards and start with them, at least they are the same conference!

Mel Clare 6 years, 7 months ago

Come back when Cali pay me gets UK into NCAA hot water in a year or two.....happens everywhere he has been.............just a cheater..........he cant help it.

jhox 6 years, 7 months ago

Self did make a run at Cauley, but too late. I agree it was a mistake on Self's part. I do think Cauley was more of a K-State guy growing up, so it probably would have been an up hill battle getting him to KU.

I'm not sure how much he'll play for UK this year. It will take him a time to develop the kind of motor that Slick Cal likes, but I agree he will play in the league someday. He would have been the perfect Self player...a guy who is likely to stick around at least a couple of years and develop. The NBA is all about upside, so he could even go after one year, but I still think it will take him awhile to win playing time at Kentucky.

Alex Peekeaton 6 years, 7 months ago

Cauley-Stein will be playing a lot and Cal can't wait to put him and Noel in the game at the same time.

RJ King 6 years, 7 months ago

Every fan base has its weakest links. Please know that Range10 refers to his IQ. He is not the Kirk HInrich we know and adore.

I respect loyalty and intelligence, and comments such as yours are always welcome.

Joel Thomas 6 years, 7 months ago

Yes, Selden looks good. Re: Cauley, if his AAU team is not into KU, then Self made the right play to not waste resources better used elsewhere. Like it or not, we - and everyone else - has to concede recruits to UK.

DRsmith 6 years, 7 months ago

Holy smokes. Talk about shooting for the stars there! The top players in KS? That is like UK getting the top players in KY. I have said all along that HCBS is one of the best if not the best game coach. I have only been critical of his recruiting from time to time.

RJ King 6 years, 7 months ago

kDong - give the kid a break. Many do a lot of growing up between the ages of 14 and 15. :-)

Dan Harris 6 years, 7 months ago

I watched a lot of Marcus Smart over the last couple of years and Selden reminds me a lot of him. Great get Coach Self and welcome aboard Mr Selden!!

soapisurfriend 6 years, 7 months ago

And like Smart, Selden will be the coaches choice for preseason freshman of the year (and hopefully postseason, you know what I'm sayin'?). Of course, that's not going to be toug when Iowa State is the only other B12 school with any top 100 recruits (they have 2).

texashawk10 6 years, 7 months ago

So TCU didn't land Karviar Shepherd last week?

soapisurfriend 6 years, 7 months ago

Whoops. I actually added Shepherd when I posted this on another article, then forgot to add it here. My bad.

texashawk10 6 years, 7 months ago

I will admit that I was very surprised that Baylor and Texas had completely whiffed on all the top 100 players in this class. I don't know what their scholarship situations look like for 2013, but I was still very surprised to see neither school with a top 100 player.

texashawk10 6 years, 7 months ago

So TCU didn't land Karviar Shepherd last week?

JayHok 6 years, 7 months ago

Go Coach Self!

Shaping up to be a solid class. Would love to see Emblin join the fold. As it stands, I'm confused at why we Jayhawk fans continue to allow UK fans to bash what Self did with X Henry or Selby with one year without giving them the facts. Both were injury plagued their entire freshmen seasons, Selby especially and that's not even bringing into it the fact that Selby sat out 9 games. Jayhawk nation never saw either one play completely healthy at Allen Fieldhouse and especially in the NCAA tourney. Not once!

Michael Luby 6 years, 7 months ago

YES!!! Jumping up and down, shaking my fists in the air! YES!!!!

Jeffery Barrett 6 years, 7 months ago

On a basketball note, ESPN is airing a "30 for 30" documentary about James Naismiths' rules of basketball and how they got "home".

Jeffery Barrett 6 years, 7 months ago

Oops, forgot to say when it airs! Tomorrow (Tue) at 7 pm CDT.

DDDHawk 6 years, 7 months ago

Wayne- Welcome to the fold! We can't wait to have you join the team! Rock Chalk!

741hawk 6 years, 7 months ago

Over 200 comments so far. The support of Kansas BB is stupendous.

JayHok 6 years, 7 months ago

Jayhawk nation is waking up.

Now all we need is one of those paid programs purchased online from India that Calipari uses to bump up his twitter followers. It's like $100 per 20,000 followers, NPR reported on it last Thursday.

Next up. Another shot-blocking 7 footer!

86Jayhawk 6 years, 7 months ago

Saw a tweet today between Dave Telep and Andy Elias and Telep said that the reason Cauley and Ojeleye were not interested in KU is because their AAU team is not interested in KU (MO-Kan Elite).

I believe this has been discussed on here before.

Alex Peekeaton 6 years, 7 months ago

Not worthy of an offer??? Cauley was ranked #40 in 2012 class. You think the low ranked and unranked players Lucas, Peters, and Traylor deserved a scholorship over a true 7'0 foot center? Calipari has only had him a short time and can't believer how good he is and getting better by the day.

Alex Peekeaton 6 years, 7 months ago

The #40 ranked player is not worthy??? Cauley-Stein was ranked much higher than Lucas and Peters. He is a true 7'0 and has gained 25 pounds since arriving at UK. Of all the athletes UK has on their team, Cauley-Stein beats every one of them in the team sprints. Word out of practice is Cauley-Stein is more than holding his own against Noel including the dunk on Noel at midnight madness. Self let one go right in his backyard!

Ian Emerson 6 years, 7 months ago

Kirk Hinrich range 10 is right. Get out of our message board no one wants you here bad mouthing Bill Self. How can you question recruiting? Cause he doesn't cheat like coach Cal?

soapisurfriend 6 years, 7 months ago

The 2012 class was good, but this class is by far the deepest class in years. It will be put in perspective next year when, although the top guys are REALLY good, there's not much depth in the 2014 class. (Of course, having already lost Selden and potentially Wiggins further hurts the depth in 2014.)

Dirk Medema 6 years, 7 months ago

His video is fabulous! Very well rounded.

Martin Rosenblum 6 years, 7 months ago

Did they kick you off of your own board?

Sounds like you have a little case of Jayhawk-envy to me.

Hey, I hear the Missouri board is calling KY out and saying they are going to be the new SEC kings. You better log on there and defend your Wildcats. Hurry...they're waiting for a KY troll like you.

Joel Thomas 6 years, 7 months ago

Not sure what we can expect, but he's a beast in his videos. Unreal athleticism. Btw anyone see they're doing a 30 for 30 on the Naismith rules tomorrow on ESPN?

jbal32 6 years, 7 months ago

So why in the hell are we getting UK posters on here?? Worried that much about this recruit that you guys didn't even recruit that hard?? I thought Kansas was a boring place to live but crap, you guys all out of moonshine or something? I'm not on your board posting garbage. Go talk trash to Misery A-holes, or look at pictures of Calapari and touch yourselves. But seriously piss off and let us be!!!!

Nick Hamill 6 years, 7 months ago

PG - Selden SG - Selden SF - Selden PF - Selden C - Selden

I'm joking, but seriously am I?

Ryan Knuth 6 years, 7 months ago

5 greatest rappers alive... Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, and Dylan... oh Chapelle's show how I miss thee.

Nick Hamill 6 years, 7 months ago

I personally enjoy reading the UK troll posts, because it only increases the gratitude I have toward my parents for raising me a Jayhawk.

KJ Quartermaine 6 years, 7 months ago

Wow! Mr. Self, you have done it again with your fabulous recruiting abilities. Keep up the excellent work

jaybate 6 years, 7 months ago

Morning after caveat on Wayne Selden:

"I wouldn't call him a shooter."--Marcus Neil Selden's HS coach

This is probably the chink in his armor...what keeps him from being Sherron with 6 more inches...from being Top 5.

But Magic had this problem and worked his way through it! :-D

Ben Simonett 6 years, 7 months ago

Ill take an athlete that can't shoot over a sniper that can't jump everytime.

Jump shots can be learned. Hitting your head on the rim can't

702Hawk 6 years, 7 months ago

Jaybate, we have the shooters already.

This team is going to be like Memphis 2008.

Selden/Tharpe/McLemore will drive in hoping for a easy layup or foul. If neither are there then he will just dish it out to Frankamp or White/Greene for the three when the defense collapses. We will have Perry, Peters, Lucas, and Traylor near the paint for mop up. So what everyone needs to work on is free throws!!!

We will be better than Memphis 08 because we do have Self's play book and if the drive and dish doesn't work we have the parts to focus in on letting one of our guys score a lot of points.

Offensively we will be better than Kansas 08 but we will have to see how the defense comes along.

jaybate 6 years, 7 months ago

702,

Thanks for weighing in and think you are right.

I'm not down on Selden. He is so flipping good in the feeds, given his height and weight, that his shot has to be a little weak, or he would be ranked a top five, that's all.

To me, Selden is the BEST recruit we could have landed.

I like him better than Cat Barber, but I'm a big guard addict.

REHawk 6 years, 7 months ago

I am cranked to see how Bill Self tweaks his system and positions his 2013 lineups.

Ben Simonett 6 years, 7 months ago

After watching all the videos posted/on youtube......i don't think this kid dunks enough

clevelandjayhawker 6 years, 7 months ago

Would be interesting to see Selden and Randle play in a game together, the way Frankamp and Selden love to pass if they were all on the same team could be an assist show that would make Randle feel at home.

archercc 6 years, 7 months ago

Damn, watching some of his videos he is a big ass guard. He will be able to go in and challenge guys at the 3 spot. And this is in high school, lord knows how much muscle he will be able to put on once Hudy gets time with him.

Jack Wilson 6 years, 7 months ago

Fresh off the Selden hangover .. post concerns?

Doylegasm. Embiidgasm. The same "gasm?" No. Near 7 footers are different. I do get that.

But seriously .... folks ranking Embiid over Gordon, or Randle, or Roberson on their wish lists? I fear the Kool-Aid is spiked. Or perhaps it's just the normal giddiness that follows a recruit saying we're now at the top of their list. It's not the "trust in Self" crowd. It's the "anytime we're wanted, I'll be excited" crowd. Kidding a bit there. Near 7 footers create excitement.

First, remember, we're Kansas. We should be arrogant, but in a nice way. We should just have higher expectations. We shouldn't deal with projects. Forget projects. Projects are for K-State.

I posted above why I would easily want Tyler Roberson (appx. #28) over Embiid. Why he should be our all-out target. A potential 3 year player. But I'd easily, without hesitation, take likely OAD Gordon over Embiid, too. And I'm not big on potential OADs. We might get two years out of Gordon and he would start immediately. Like first game of 2013 without even a doubt. Talent does that. And that's what we're lacking in the post for 2013.

If we had Kaleb Tarczewski on our roster; or even Angelo Chol, instead of Jamari Traylor or Landen Lucas; or if Chris Walker or Karviar Shephard had commited instead of Mason, I'd probably be on board. But we don't. Our only top big man for 2013 right now is Perry Ellis. Otherwise, we have a collection of low/unranked guys (Peters, Lucas,Traylor, Wesley). That's a weakness. Plain and simple, it is a lack of highly skilled bigs. It's roll the dice and hope. We can hope one exceeds his ranking (Iike our chances there on one), or that they develop, etc., etc. But look at us now .. We have lost Peters. Imagine that, and not having Withey or Young. Right, one injury and bam .. your post future is with Lucas and Traylor and Wesley.

Above, jaybate had a nice response on Embiid. A project, but if he develops, or even shows signs ... he'll be NBA bound. His physical attributes make him an attractive get in the NBA. If he develops, he'll be able to bolt the minute that development shows.

TexasHawk10 said he understood Embiid was going to jump into the top 50. I hadn't seen or heard anything like that. But he made a good point that Self seems to like/operate better with the shot blocker in the middle. I don't disagree with that. But we won a title without that .. Kaun off the bench was the closest thing to that. And remember how much Self likes the offense to go through the post. You need skill for that. Arthur, Aldrich, Morris, Morris, TRob. All top 50 guys.

(cont)

jaybate 6 years, 7 months ago

I'm with you here.

I'm maybe a little more optimistic about how good Zach and Landon will be with a year of development, but there is definitely a need for a more pret a porter big man than Embiid next year, such as Roberson, Gordon, etc.

But, as I am a charter member of the why-not-both philosophy, so, where I'd like to see this go is that we get Roberson AND Embiid.

I know this would raise scholarship issues, but there seems always a way to work these out that only sometimes involves force outs. And the truth is that if Perry Ellis proves good enough to start and be a 15-10 guy in the paint his freshman year, he could very well be drafted, which would open up a scholie for Embiid without a force out. So: a lot of this depends on what Self is telling folks about Perry Ellis.

About Perry, Self rarely says a freshman big can play about as many minutes as he wants, if he stays aggressive. This tells us two things: a) Perry is pretty damned good; and b) our other bigs (beyond Jeff) are not very far along yet, or are like Zach, injured.

Regardless, if we can find a way to bridge through two development years on Embiid, I'm very high on Embiid for his junior year...again, if there were a way to keep the NBA away from pouncing the moment he adds sufficient weight.

Jack Wilson 6 years, 7 months ago

I will surely take the "AND" .. we then we begin the discussion of "who goes."

What may make that tricky is the timing of the commitments. Let's say Roberson and Embiid would commit. Has Self ever accepted more commits than scholarships available (see Rick Pitino)?

On the optimism scale, I'm there on both as potential rotation guys ..Peters earlier than Lucas, but just not as starters.

texashawk10 6 years, 7 months ago

Based on other stuff I've read about Embiid, he originally wanted to commit in the fall, but with all the interest he has been garnering recently, it's very possible he waits until the spring now to make a decision. If that ends up happening, then KU very well could sign 2 more players because we'll know if McLemore is going to go pro or if Lucas is good enough to be a contributor or if Zach Peters rotator cuff issue is going be a long term issue.

Jack Wilson 6 years, 7 months ago

(cont)

Skill wins in basketball. Not height. Just because a guy is near 7 foot is not a reason to prioritize him over a better player, a few inches shorter. trustyourSelf above said we have a number of 6'8"/6'9" guys.Yes, but the key is having a number of GOOD 6'8"/6'9" guys. Not a number of adequate 6'8"/6'9" guys.

I do not have a crystal ball on Embiid or on our collection of low/unranked post players. That's why I would trust the better player now. We have special seasons shaping up. I wouldn't risk it on a project, at the expense of a better player now (if we have the choice).

But I'm betting that if Self had his way .. trust in Self .. he'd take Gordon or Roberson over Embiid. And he would take Jermaine Lawrence over Embiid if we were still on Lawrence's radar. The key is, do we have that choice?

jaybate 6 years, 7 months ago

"Skills win in basketball" should be made into a t-shirt for board rats.

PHOF!

This is the truth that so many have to relearn each season, after the hype of the young newcomers, creates what I am now calling Recruiting Driven Alzheimers. :-)

texashawk10 6 years, 7 months ago

"This is the fastest rising big man in the senior class and arguably the most improved interior player since the end of the high school season. Embiid has all the physical attributes – length, size, and athleticism – to go with an aggressive streak. He doesn’t have a year of organized basketball under his belt but he's got the look of an elite big man prospect and he could be six months away from cementing himself as one of the premier centers in the country."

That's a quote I found from Dave Telep written a couple of weeks ago from UT's SB Nation article previewing Embiid's visit to Texas a couple of weekends ago. The one thing that generally scares me about big men from Africa is that a lot of them aren't physical enough to play in the post at a high level, but I've read from multiple recruiting experts that Embiid doesn't get bullied out of position very easily. If he is indeed as aggressive as scouts say, then KU has their anchor in the middle that can protect the rim. The reason I like having a shot blocker is because it allows everyone else to play more aggressively on defense because there is someone to bail them out if they get beat going for a steal. I certainly wouldn't complain about landing Randle, Gordon, or Roberson either, and Embiid getting enough 3-4 years to develop in college wherever he goes is a concern, but I think it is a risk worth taking.

jaybate 6 years, 7 months ago

Thanks for the Telep quote. I agree that Embiid is a future natural, but I just don't see how he can come that far in 6 months. Jeff Withey is 7-0 and 235 and he literally cannot hold position on the low block once the XTReme Ball starts being plaid. Embiid is 7-0 and 220. I worry Embiid until he adds some weight.

RJ King 6 years, 7 months ago

Last I read about Peters, he or his mom was emphasizing how much he wanted to stay at home at a big school (uh, Maryland perhaps?). This was before Selden committed. It seemed like the writing was already on the wall. (But that doesn't mean we weren't in his top two.) Congrats to Turg!

Tony Bandle 6 years, 7 months ago

Ralster...always the voice of reason, no matter what the season!!

jaybate 6 years, 7 months ago

"Don't Put Wayne Selden in the Kenny Gregory Over Expectation Box"

bbob,

I am pumped about Selden, but I don't want board rats to get the let downs, the way they did with Kenny Gregory once upon a time. Gregory was a perfectly good wing with an average J, but not remotely a D1 trey threat. It meant that he could not be the devastator on the outside and inside a la Michael Jordan that everyone had moisture fantasies about.

Selden in high school is like Gregory, only with more muscle and better ball handling skills. In high school, Selden is even a bit like Magic Johnson was in college. He is so physically overwhelming that he can take any HS guard inside and wreck him, the way Magic could take any college guard inside and wreck him, too, even without an outside shot.

But in D1 it will get much harder for Selden, because while he will still be able to muscle the D1 guards, he will be limited by guard/big man doubles in the paint.

What I mean by this is that without a serious trey threat in D1, the guards just layoff and stay with you into the paint. You can't blow by guys the way Jordan could, because they won't respect the trey shot, even with the great legs and good ball handling skills Selden appears to possess already.

So: even though Selden will be stronger than his opposing defender in PG, as is, say, Travis Releford, without the trey gun, the weaker defender simply takes away the strong hand drive, forces Selden/Releford to the weak hand, funnels him to the big, who always knows where the great athlete without a trey gun will be forced to go, and boom, the great athlete that can hit his head on the rim, gets boxed in and has to kick out. We see this phenomenon again and again with seemingly great wing recruits. Travis finally had to learn to play an old man's game, despite his fabulous athleticism, in order to get on the floor.

(Note: if Travis' injuries heal and he has developed a trey gun, then Travis Releford will go absolutely monster this year. He's got everything else. But without the trey gun, he's going to be much the same player he was last season, but with more bounce if he's uninjured.)

Again, my remarks here are in no way meant to be a party pooper about Selden. I was/am more excited about him than just about anyone from the moment I first saw him. I remain so. He is a can't miss addition to KU's team in the same way that Kenny Gregory and Travis Releford were. Gregory and Releford are so incredibly good in so many ways, that despite the lack of a trey gun, they were/are must have guys on the floor, simply because they can defend, board and get up on the glass whenever the games go vertical and can learn a horizontal game to make up for the lack of a trey gun.

jaybate 6 years, 7 months ago

Further, there IS always the CHANCE that Selden can blow up his trey the way Magic finally did in the pros. Magic found he could set shoot from trey at a level of accuracy that could off set his less than stellar J from trey. I reckon Seldon could too, at least in college.

But becoming a 38-42% trey jump shooter is probably HARDER to learn than even jumping in the age of Hudy. Remember, Hudy can add about 2-4 inches on anyone's vertical, as she proved with the Twins. And she can really develop agility, though she still does not seem to be able to do much with straight line speed.

Frankly, Mario Chalmers is the only guy KU has had in the Self years that started out a 38%er from trey his freshman and soph years and turned himself into a plus 40%er after getting cut from that international try out. But Chalmers is one of the kings of getting better, and obviously more driven than 90% of the guys on the planet.

The point about Selden to hold fast to, and I am sure you and I will agree on this, is: without a 40% trey gun, Selden is at the worst another Travis Releford/Kenny Gregory, and potentially KU's first truly long and strong PG; and if Selden can develop a 40% trey gun at any point, he becomes an All-American and, depending on his level of competitive greatness, a once in a generation point guard.

This I believe is the reality of Wayne Selden.

Its crucial to note that Self has apparently told the LJW staff to call him a "Combo Guard." Combo Guard is always used to hold down expectations of a player and of fans that long and strong perimeter player will start at the point.

Combo guard is code for: he's a perimeter player that might play point someday if everything were to break right, but the chances are he will play the 2 or 3.

Calling a guy a combo guard is like saying Julian Wright, Marcus Morris and Perry Ellis will play some 3 and 4. Its Self's way of diffusing the yearning in players with tons of ability to play a sexier position that can probably be played by someone else, whereas the player in question is probably going to have to play the less sexy position.

Self obviously believes Selden has the getting better gene; that Selden is, like Tyshawn Taylor, a person possessing such a rare combination of physical abilities that he is a guy worth worth investing major time on the long shot that with enough development and rounding out he might become an every night MUA at the point.

But a lot has to happen for a combo guard to actually be given the point, or for a 4 to be actually given the 3 full time.

jaybate 6 years, 7 months ago

Self must not sign a Cat Barber grade PG in the next class. BenMac must choose to jump rather than stay and become a PG. Anrio Adams must stay so strung out by Self's wasp tongue, that he does not pull his Dwyane Wade game together. Conner Frankamp must not become the next John Stockton. Naadir and Frank Mason must not develop into great distributing, solid defending, point guards with credible D1 treys. And so on.

Regardless, though, Wayne Selden better be prepared for the same stretch in the toughening box that Tyshawn went through. Self clearly wanted this guy bad enough to spell out a very comprehensive future for him at KU--and apparently a very sexy one.

So: I think Self will probably play Selden all around the perimeter the way he did Tyshawn in his first couple years (maybe see some 3 that Tyshawn did not see), if Selden lasts that long. But I believe the grand plan is give Selden the same 360 development that Tyshawn got for two years, then, if Selden stays put, to turn him into the same kind of every night MUA point guard that Self turned TT into. The alternative scenario is that he develops a trey gun by his sophomore season, then the NBA wets its pants about him and drafts him after two seasons. And to make sure Self got Seldon to commit, he probably said, "Wayne, the point guard position is open to all comers. Can't promise you'll get it, but right now you look as good as any of the guys we've got coming back, or coming in. Not better, but as good. But down stream, if you don't jump after the first, season, I see you being a difference maker at the point for us, like what Tyshawn became for us, only two inches taller and way stronger."

Selden could get lucky and go straight to point, because their is no returning 5 star at point for KU next season, as Tyshawn faced in Sherron. Put another way, Cat Barber not coming may have cleared a path for Wayne at the point.

But Self really likes experience at the PG, so maybe it will be Ben, or Naadir, or Anrio, then Wayne at the point, with Wayne showing up at the 2 and 3 also. Hard to say. Lots of bodies everywhere now.

jaybate 6 years, 7 months ago

One can really get high, however, thinking about Selden at PG, flanked by White and Greene/Frankamp. The combination of height, strength, speed and shooting this foursome offers, even without BenMac coming back, staggers the brain.

I know the traditional move is to put Frankamp at the point, because of size, but having watched Frankamp only a bit in feeds, I don't see him with point guard strength by next season. I seem him spending a year as a designated gunner backup at 1 and 2, while Hudy muscles him up, then maybe becoming a PG, depending on what the recruiting cat drags in, his soph/junior/senior years.

With 6-6 White and 6-7 Greene, plus short, long-range bomber Frankamp on the wings, Selden's "not a shooter" attribute at the point could be quite tolerable.

But Self really, really, really does not like to put freshman in positions of great responsibility (e.g., Xavier and Josh) and leadership.

In closing, we all need to take a deep breath, ease off on the expectations on Selden, and not put him in the Kenny Gregory Overexpectation Box.

Jack Wilson 6 years, 7 months ago

Now, if one of them can just handle the ball ..... that's the challenge.

jaybate 6 years, 7 months ago

Board rats on this commitment, after a long drought of good commiitment news, are like a bunch of pig boat sailors that have been out to sea too long.

Experiencing a sudden release and looking for more okooleihou. :-)

shinguard 6 years, 7 months ago

Seldon is already doing some recruiting for us. I love this guy!

http://hoopdreamsmag.com/?p=5168

REHawk 6 years, 7 months ago

Thanks for sharing, shinguard. Blueblood shall get blueblood, they say. And nice tribute to Norm Roberts, bringing Wayne into the fold.

REHawk 6 years, 7 months ago

Would be very beneficial for Jayhawk recruiting to see every topnotch visiting recruit bring along an influential parent or advisor to attend Late Night or a game in The Phog. It appears that Wayne Selden's accompanying family was thrilled with the packed house, time, place and action. No dillydallying aftermath re a long wait for commitment.

REHawk 6 years, 7 months ago

Surprises me that LJW or local student press didn't backlog some Selden family comments to dredge up for subsequent articles, if or when Wayne were to commit. Great quotes available to influence or impress family members of other current and future recruits.

REHawk 6 years, 7 months ago

Having read through these 340+ posts, I am well aware of the debate regarding one or two and done commitments vs. recruitment of the probable 3 or 4 year players. And, yeah, I admit to the probability of my being overjoyed at the future signing of a Roberson, Randle or Gordon to fill one of our big positions. That said, I might side with a minority of LJW posters which delights in the manner in which Bill Self and Co. recruit and develop "project" players. And I am more than somewhat disgusted at the manner in which Kentucky has lured a full deck of spectacular recruits annually to load the cannon vs. other Division One contenders. The game flops out of competitive tilt with such overloading. Championships sullied. To wit, I remain hopeful that a Joel Embiid commits to the Jayhawks, and that he strives mightily to become one of the best big men in the land. Lawrence is a relatively peaceful community which espouses a fine university and magnificent hoops program to promote his development. In 3 or 4 seasons he could become as memorable a name as any of the big men in the Bill Self era. Fans would bond with him and delight in his annual progress. Josh and Xavier were terrific acquisitions...but long gone before we barely knew them.

86Jayhawk 6 years, 7 months ago

REHAWK, I agree completely. Although, we have seen none of them play, I would be willing to see Rio or Lucas redshirt a year to get Embiid and another big on schollie. I would love to have Embiid for 2-3 years and another top big man. Yes HEM, I do appreciate the rankings and would love to see Roberson and Embiid. Embiid will have time to flourish with next to Ellis, and supported with Peters or Lucas/Traylor. This could lead to two or three final fours.

Randle or Gordon would be OAD and maybe get a quick NC though.

Priest Fontaine 6 years, 7 months ago

Maybe Self has a heart to heart with Mason and convinces him that he should go someplace else after all, freeing up another scholly for both Embiid and Randle (or Gordon) for this 2013-14 Fantasy Line-Up!

1-Selden 6'5" 2-McLemore 6'5" 3-Ellis 6'8" 4-Randle 6'9" 5-Embiid 7"

Jack Wilson 6 years, 7 months ago

I have seen the speculation about Selden as a point guard. I don't buy it.

Selden is listed as a shooting guard, and in some spots, a small forward. Recent info says he's a good ballhandler, but I've also seen where that's not a strength. Selden idenfied it as a main part of his game that he needs to work on.

To jb's point about expectations .. don't expect this guy to be a point guard. No more than we expected Releford, or McLemore, or White to be a point guard. He's not, and they're not It sounds sexy. Just don't expect it.

Self identified "point guard" as a need, for a reason. Ballhandlling.

You just don't get tossed out into high D-I competition and become a solid ballhandler. It's wildly different. Tharpe was a highly regarded ballhandler. He learned very quickly that handling the ball against D-I competition is much different than in AAU or high school. It is psychotic how tense the pressure is .. just many times getting it past half court. And then delivering a pass. Point guards are a different breed. Ballhandling is the most important, and most difficult skill on the court.

Just my opinion. Personally, I'd love to see Selden be that sort of player. He just strikes me as the perfect combo guy.


Another subject ... just a thought ... any chance Self saw how Missouri played. Four guards. How hard it was to match up. And that he's considering that sort of look as a primary consideration. For example, Tharpe, Selden, McLemore, White, Ellis? Or Frankamp, Adams, McLemore, Greene, Peters? Yikes.

Remember, they dictated that matchup. We couldn't hang defensively with TRob and Withey out there. Speed beat heighth.

Jeremy Wilhelm 6 years, 7 months ago

Interesting points about the height versus speed thing, but I think the profile of teams that go deep in the tourney is generally of a more 'traditional' 3 guard, 2 pivot line-up. I can't think of a team that went deep with a four guard line-up in recent times, can you?

Jack Wilson 6 years, 7 months ago

Not really .. I can't. It is an interesting option as a change up, at the very least. But I was impressed with how difficult it was for a traditional team to match-up vs. MU.

702Hawk 6 years, 7 months ago

The great thing for our future team is that we can do both with out losing much. Most of our players in 13-14 are combo/hybrid type of guys. We can be tall or short and keep up the intensity. Unlike Mizzou if our three isn't falling, our team will just go back to pounding the ball inside. They couldn't do that. What we will see a lot more of is a spread out court that will let our players play a lot more 1 v 1 and we will take advantage of the opponent's weak link.

Danny Hernandez 6 years, 7 months ago

Wasn't Nova employing a 4 guard line-up prior to misery?

Ben Simonett 6 years, 7 months ago

If Self identified point guard as a need why would he sign another guard to this class if said recruit couldn't fill that need.

Was this a simple "we'll find a spot for him" signing based on talent alone?

Michael Luby 6 years, 7 months ago

As recent as the 2008 team, CS used what he called the "five man game" or something like that, with 4 guards and his quickest big. (Sherron, RussRob, Chalmers, Rush and Shady) I remember that line up was quite successful at beating opposing defenses down. Now that I think about it a bit more, he could use that 4 guard line up this year with relative ease, not since 2008. Think - Tharpe, Adams,White3,EJ,BenMac, Releford and Ellis in some combination of his five man small ball rotation, Sick speed. Then again next year with Selden in place of Trele, again sick speed.

1jhawk2 6 years, 7 months ago

I love you Mrs. Pitts! Just another gracious parent who understands what's best for their children.

Tony Bandle 6 years, 7 months ago

Is her nickname "Angel" by any chance!!??

Danny Hernandez 6 years, 7 months ago

This is all you need to know about Cal's supposed coaching to get his kids into the NBA lottery. The kid from Turkey, Enis Kanter didn't play a minute yet was still taken 3rd in the draft. This supposed bullcrap line that Cal coaches them up is nothing but a myth. If anything, his players if they stay a second year like Lamp and Jones were drafted lower than if they left after their first year. IF the NBA/NCAA ever changes the rules allowing high schoolers to go directly to the NBA, Cal will be toast because he'll have to learn to coach lesser talents.

I like Cal since he was a grad asst at Kansas and his wife worked in the KU athletic office but other than that, he's a shamless self-promoter rather than a chill professional like Coach Self.

Alex Peekeaton 6 years, 7 months ago

Enes Kanter was drafted 3rd because he dominated the U.S. players at the 2010 Nike Hoop Summit with 34 points and 13 rebounds...Kentucky or Calipari had nothing to do with his draft status. Lamb was ranked ~20th and Jones was ~13th in 2010 class, so neither one was a true OAD. Both players improved dramatically in their sophomore year. There were 6 elite freshmen drafted before Jones which caused him to go to the middle of the first round. Not sure what your point was...Calipari took UMas program to the final game in 1996 - enough said.

kellerman411 6 years, 7 months ago

Selden came out and said he is actively recruiting Julius Randle and Aaron Gordon to come to Kansas with him. That's nice to know.

http://hoopdreamsmag.com/?p=5168

Andrew Washington 6 years, 7 months ago

Would be awesome to get either Randle or Gordon

soapisurfriend 6 years, 7 months ago

I posted over the weekend that UK could have a commitment from Marcus Lee as early as Monday afternoon. Fortunately, we were the ones celebrating a commitment of our own, but it looks like I was only a couple days early with the Lee prediction. Nothing official yet, but it appears that Lee is going to announce tomorrow, presumably for Kentucky. Not sure this has much bearing on Randle, who again reaffirmed that he would play with the twins. PS Don't forget to watch (or set your DVRs for) the ESPN 30 for 30!

Ben Simonett 6 years, 7 months ago

Peters to Maryland the day after the Seldon commits to KU.

Coincidence?

soapisurfriend 6 years, 7 months ago

His coach said that Kansas pulled out after they landed Selden. I mean, clearly there is no more room, but I would still be interested to see if things would have gone differently had the staff made Mason wait.

KUfanInFlorida 6 years, 7 months ago

Selden to KU was great news and I hope that we'll get an elite big man as well. Mason is still a mystery to me. The guy is barely ranked in top 150, yet he took Barber to school. Maybe he is better than what scouts thought of him. We'll see what happens.

jaybate 6 years, 7 months ago

I don't know about everyone else here, but I am getting a little tired of Kevin Young not getting a KU inch, or a KU ten pounds.

He's listed at 6-8 and 180!

Again!!!

If JamTray got bumped to 6-8 and 220, then Kevin deserves 6-9 and 200!

And if KY really is 6-8 and 180, then Andrea Hudy has finally found someone she can't beef up.

KY, eat up, man.

KUfanInFlorida 6 years, 7 months ago

Some people have fast metabolism. KY is probably one of them.

86Jayhawk 6 years, 7 months ago

HEM, I got infinitely more comfortable with the Mason signing when we signed Selden. HCBS's head must be spinning with all of the backcourt options we will possess.

JB with Peters out early, possibly long term, I am looking forward to seeing KY's energy and athleticism. He is a senior, but I really feel he and Rio both have the opportunity to make Carl Lewis length strides this year.

Sally Presson 6 years, 7 months ago

Welcome to KU Wayne. Your parents have placed you in the best place ever!! We take care of our athletes. HCBS and his staff will always have your best interest at heart and will give you the opportunity to succeed. The bottom line is the Jayhawks are a family and your Mom can rest easy knowing you're in such a great place. We're so glad you're coming to KU!!!

Rock Chalk

Andrew Washington 6 years, 7 months ago

Most posts I've ever seen for an article on this site.

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