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Originally published April 19, 2011 at 11:09a.m., updated April 19, 2011 at 03:03p.m.

KU basketball player Thomas Robinson cited in misdemeanor battery case outside nightclub

KU coach Bill Self, associate AD Jim Marchiony aware of incident

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Lawrence police have cited Kansas University basketball player Thomas Robinson to appear in municipal court on a misdemeanor battery charge in connection with an altercation outside a Lawrence nightclub, city prosecutor Jerry Little said Tuesday morning.

Little said officers informed him that they had cited Robinson, 20, in connection with an April 10 incident outside The Cave, a nightclub inside The Oread hotel and condominiums, 1200 Oread Ave.

Police have said two suspects were accused of hitting bouncers at 2:05 a.m. April 10 outside The Cave after bar staff said they broke up a large fight inside the club.

Capt. Paul Fellers in a statement said that police were called about a fight and that one bouncer, a 25-year-old Lawrence man, alleged that one suspect had struck him and then spit on him. A witness alleged a second suspect had hit another bouncer, a 23-year-old Lawrence man, Fellers said.

According to a police report, the two victims were not injured. Police did not identify the two suspects, but Sgt. Matt Sarna, a police spokesman, said Tuesday morning that only one person has been ticketed.

Adam Lauridsen, a bouncer at The Cave who worked the night of the incident, told the Journal-World that several members of the basketball team were outside the bar around closing time as staff members were clearing people out of the club.

One of the people who was accompanying basketball players — but not himself a player — got angry at another bouncer, Lauridsen said, and eventually hit him in the head.

Several members of the basketball team — including Robinson — began pulling the man away from the other bouncer, Lauridsen said.

During that scuffle, he saw Robinson appear to get angry.

“He hit one of my buddies in the head,” Lauridsen said, adding that he also saw Robinson spit on the bouncer.

Robinson is a current KU sophomore and post player from Washington, D.C. He announced earlier this month that he would return to KU for a third season instead of entering his name in June’s NBA draft.

“We are aware of this situation due to the fact that Thomas notified me immediately following his being interviewed by the police that morning, at approximately 2 a.m. about an incident that occurred just prior," KU coach Bill Self said. "Thomas is fully cooperating and we will not have any further comment about this situation as the investigation plays out.”

Sarna of the police department said the case remains under investigation and it’s possible other people could be charged. According to a police report, an officer did not check that Robinson was suspected of using alcohol.

Little, the city prosecutor, said officers served Robinson with the ticket Monday night. Police told Little that officers had been following up on the investigation in recent days, including interviewing other witnesses.

He said Robinson would have a court appearance in coming weeks or an attorney could appear in court on his behalf to schedule a later court date.

“We're handling it internally, and Thomas is handling it appropriately. That's all we're going to say at this point,” Jim Marchiony, an associate KU athletic director, said Tuesday.

Robinson is the second KU basketball player to be charged with misdemeanor battery in municipal court in recent months. Mario Little, who was a senior on last season’s Elite Eight team, entered into a diversion agreement in January that required he participate in anger management counseling. He was arrested in connection with a Dec. 16 incident in which he was accused of shoving his 22-year-old ex-girlfriend into a sink.

Self suspended Mario Little for six games during the season before Little was reinstated.

Comments

kufankam 3 years, 8 months ago

i know this is not a HUGE ordeal. however, if you are wanting to be a leader of next years squad, this type of stuff has got to go...

selfishhawk 3 years, 8 months ago

None of this stuff in isolation is a big deal for KU or its basketball program. But it's starting to add up.

Hammertime12 3 years, 8 months ago

Not a Huge Ordeal? the article says he hit somebody in the head and spit on somebody? Hellooooo. Anybody home?

kufankam 3 years, 8 months ago

easy there, MC Hammer.... no need to freak out over the semantics... i, like you, think that this is a poor reflection of his character. from a character standpoint, this type of behavior is pathetic. i was merely stating that while a "misdemeanor" is on the lower end of the criminal pecking order (thus, not a HUGE deal), this does not reflect the behavior of someone i want leading our team. in an age where players are headlining ESPN with rape, drug and sometimes even murderous charges, no, this scuffle is not a huge deal. the point i was trying to make was not as you took it. i was more pointing to the comments he had made when he decided to return. if he is wanting to be the leader of next year's team, as he said he is, he needs to not be making ANY headlines from wee hours of the morning. i was not intending to minimize the nature of what he did. i guess i should have worded it more, "while he could have done worse..." that might have been more appropriate with what i was intending to get across. what is driving me crazy, as selfishhawk alluded, is that these things (even all the on court thuggish behavior) start to add up and paint a poor picture of KU basketball.

LHS56 3 years, 8 months ago

It sounds like the person that is assigned to keep everything under control is the one that lost his temper. But....no excuse for a fight, etc. And 2:00 a.m.??? Come on...get these guys home. Usually only bad things happen that early in the morning.

hawk316 3 years, 8 months ago

And bad things seem to keep happening to our athletes in the bar scene. Might be a good idea to avoid such places...

notigers4me 3 years, 8 months ago

Dang it looks like Robinson needs some different mentors other than the twins.

mi_familia 3 years, 8 months ago

I'm sorry, did it say that Angel was there at the bar? I must have missed that part.

According to cheeseburger, every parent, guardian, or mentor of anyone that has ever been in a fight must be a terrible mentor. People make mistakes and have lapses in judgement!!!

I am not saying this behavior is acceptible, but some people need to realize that these players do standout; they do go through things that you and I have not gone through; and we need to stop being so critical to the point where you are calling out someone's mother/mentor.

They are college students. Fights do breakout no matter if you start them or not. Maybe it would be better if we had a mandatory curfew, but then again, kids are kids and would break the rule. Curfews could also hurt getting these prized recruits therefore effect a winning program.

How many blue chip prospects want to go to a college to experience lockdown? Overtime, I think these players will begin to think more responsibly. Maybe Coach Self should look into some group counselling sessions with the psych department.

In the meantime, all of us posters need to be supportive and hope that these guys learn from the mistakes. I know we feel let down sometimes, but we don't always know the whole story.

KU_Dude 3 years, 8 months ago

Others would already be arrested as well if they were as recognizable as Robinson....and 6'6" plus.

bradynsdad 3 years, 8 months ago

No big deal. Sounds like he was trying to break it up but got provoked. If he had beat someone up then I would be concerned. Just college kids doing dumb college stuff. It's not like he chased them to another apartment like Mario.

Ty Mar 3 years, 8 months ago

Boys being boys IMO and TRob backing up a friend....but he needs to hang out with better people apparently that DON'T get him in trouble.

Sucks being such high profile...might as well just stay home and play video games-only way to be safe..unless a girl knocks on your door..sighs.

Jeffery Barrett 3 years, 8 months ago

I'm not high profile. I've been to bars & clubs thousands of times over 25 years and have NEVER been in a 'scuffle' inside or outside and been arrested. Just sayin.

kusports1 3 years, 8 months ago

that could mean you have no backbone.

Jeffery Barrett 3 years, 8 months ago

maybe it means I don't have a temper and have to get in a fight when someone looks at someone wrong. you 2 are both d-bags. JUST SAYIN.....

El Jay 3 years, 8 months ago

that was the biggest dbag comment in the world. "there was a time when people could legally kill each other and now I cant even hit someone", HAHAHAHAHAHA WOW dude, that is some really stupid s*it

FTC_Jayhawk 3 years, 8 months ago

Yeah, you're not living unless you occasionally get into some fights.

You are being very un-dude, dude.

Also, you are being a moron.

Armen Kurdian 3 years, 8 months ago

One time the bartender screwed up my drink order, so I kicked him in the balls, then the other bartender came and I kicked him in the balls, then the bouncers came and tried to stop me so I kicked them in the balls, then there was this guy just minding his own business, so I kicked him in the balls,and although they were all in terrible pain, it was really funny until this chick comes around and kicks me in the balls and then I fell to the floor and started to cry...

Clarence Haynes 3 years, 8 months ago

I wonder who provoked whom. This individual, Lauridsen should speak with the police and in court, not with the LJW! I question his motive.

DRsmith 3 years, 8 months ago

Just a hunch, if it has already been investigated then I am pretty sure he has already spoke with the cops about it. No reason to ? his motive, what would he have to gain?

kusports1 3 years, 8 months ago

I agree cshjhawk. this person sounds fishy.

Clarence Haynes 3 years, 8 months ago

Nonetheless, our players do need to exercise better judgement and the coaches need to pound that into their heads day in and day out. They probably face numerous challenges from worthless provocateurs, which could very well have been the case here. I am still a big TRob fan. I hope that he chalks this one up and has a positive college experience hereinout.

jhawker20 3 years, 8 months ago

Adam Lauridsen is the biggest instigator alive he has been fired from multiple bars in Lawrence for this, most recently the Ranch along with the whole Saturday night crew that is now the Saturday crew at the Cave.

tmcats 3 years, 8 months ago

it's never a huge deal in lawrence.

John Boyle 3 years, 8 months ago

go back to your own site. oh yeah, ksu doesn't have a basketball team. My bad.

gchawk 3 years, 8 months ago

"Ye who is without sin.........", well you know the rest, or should. I'm just sure that your Div. II school is without any incidents, or is it?

AlexTJ 3 years, 8 months ago

They're too busy shopping at Dillard's to get into bar fights

jayhawkinATL 3 years, 8 months ago

Why don't they EVER learn?!?!?! Just keep your damn selves out of situations that can get you in trouble. Not too hard...trust me.

Horace 3 years, 8 months ago

Does anyone know if he ever charged for the battery that occurred in the hallway of the Richmond game?

KGphoto 3 years, 8 months ago

No harm no foul! Bad call by the refs. Let'm play!

Besides, it sounds to me like he's just getting ready for March '12.

Troll_or_AntiTroll 3 years, 8 months ago

T-Rob, you best check yourself before you wreck yourself.

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 8 months ago

Would this be an extreme cheap shot?

Also does it appear to anyone else that Jim Marchiony is running the show? Seems like whenever there is relevant news he always does the talking.

James Kiernan 3 years, 8 months ago

Well yeah he's the associate AD for External Relations.

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 8 months ago

sorry but when a star player that captured the hearts of the basketball world this year is arrested for battery. . .the second player on this years team with such a charge. . .would be the 5th player suspended this year if the season was still going. . .it might call for a statement from the main man, not an associate. i guess he is too busy talking about billboards in western ks (where most people can't read) and getting into second grade name calling arguments with a missouri valley basketball coach.

John Boyle 3 years, 8 months ago

Is this a serious post?? The fact that you know about the suspensions shows that the situations are being handled with disciplinary actions unlike other places where they are just swept under the rug.

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 8 months ago

so you are ok with 40% of our team having to sit out for some part of the season. sounds like there might be some sort of a problem!

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 8 months ago

can't wait to have all the meat packers and field workers show up to all jayhawk home games!

gchawk 3 years, 8 months ago

re. the Western Kansas comment. You just proved that you're an ignorant bigot.

Ed Brown 3 years, 8 months ago

Have to agree with you on this one. He probably thought Bob Dole grew pineapples "way out there". Maybe they both should go out and buy the equipment used by custom combine crews that bring in the wheat each year and they would feel less superior. I graduated with an accounting degree from KU and worked for 30 years in the "meatpacking" industry and met many with PhD's in animal science and food science that spoke excellent English. Without the education and intelligence in the agriculture industry in general, the United States would not be the best at achieving the highest yields both in the fields and in the meatpacking plants. The irony is the high school and college graduation rate for "those western Kansans" would certainly rival or succeed those in any major city in America. If you feel the need to bash a group of people just to feel like BMOC maybe you should get a real job and stop asking your parents for their hard earned money. Just my two cents worth.

arcticjhawk 3 years, 8 months ago

Not too concerned with the scuffle in general. Things probably just blew up out of control in a blink of an eye. What concerns me is the spitting. If he did spit on the person, it would be pretty disappointing. Such a disgusting low-browed action doesn't seem to be in line with his character.

DeMontfort 3 years, 8 months ago

Who pays for the attorney to represent him in court?

Ed Brown 3 years, 8 months ago

Students used to get Legal Services from Law School students for a really low cost. In the early 80's it was $1. Not sure what it is now.

Jason Montgomery 3 years, 8 months ago

We are already a #7 seed in next years Bracketology, this might drop us a couple more lines

Steve Gantz 3 years, 8 months ago

Is there an age issue here too? How old is TRob? Do clubs like these check ID's? Do you have to be 21 to enter this club?

KU's most tumultuous season in my memory keeps getting worse.

TRob needs a mentor in the worst kind of way right now.

BleedingCrimsonAndBlue 3 years, 8 months ago

It's Lawrence and he is a KU basketball player. Everybody who goes out in this town knows how old these guys are, and yet they are still allowed into 21+ bars. I doubt they even show fake ID's to get in. Personally I have seen underage basketball players at several bars (Hawk, Brothers, Cave, etc).

Ashtin Meerpohl 3 years, 8 months ago

WHY CANT OUR TEAM STAY OUT OF TROUBLE?????

AbeVigoda 3 years, 8 months ago

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Jeremy Bolinger 3 years, 8 months ago

Pretty much. Pathetic that some will hide behind a computer to make comments

John Boyle 3 years, 8 months ago

Abe Vigoda is the one rolling over in his grave at the thought of someone using his name to make such a classless comment.

John Boyle 3 years, 8 months ago

Man we have some old guys commenting on here. I'm guessing anyway based on the Barney Fife reference and AbeVigoda (is that a Godfather reference or a Barney Miller reference?) either way old school.

Jeremy Bolinger 3 years, 8 months ago

F most bouncers in Lawrence Kansas. Im serious. Alot of these wanna be tough guys think that they can always put their hands on people when they are drunk and its ok. Um......NO ITS NOT OK. Im not saying T-Rob and any other basketball player are innocent, but damn. Bouncers in Lawrence are thugs. Put your hands on someone, and its fair game, IMO. Have I stated how much I hate lawrence bouncers?

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

+1

Bouncers have way too much authority, and the fact that there are typically more than one at a given bar means they have a built-in alibi if anything gets out of hand and the cops become involved. Just like gangs who can produce however many "witnesses" they want to "prove" that a given gang member wasn't in the location of a crime being committed at the right time.

And as 84Hawk noted below, Robinson is the perfect fall-guy, because everyone knows that if a KU basketball player gets in trouble, the team will focus on the fact that he was there and involved, rather than who started what fight.

I'm just glad I'm not the only one who thinks it's ridiculous to take this guy Lauridsen's word on what happened. I mean, he has no reason to lie and protect his fellow bouncer, right?

Geekinout 3 years, 8 months ago

I remember how most of them were a 25+ year old on a power trip for being simply a bouncer/bar-back in a college town. Meatheads anyone?

Krohnutz 3 years, 8 months ago

Wait, wait... You mean they aren't all like Patrick Swayze and Sam Elliott?

I sat through that movie waiting to see some Kelly Lynch hooters and all I saw was Swayze a$$. An all-time classic brawl movie that I had to downgrade to a so-so action flick simply because I never saw her tats.

In all seriousness, I have to question this guys statement when he says that TRob was breaking up the fight, and then "magically" got mad and threw a punch and spit. Alright then. Nothing was said or done to provoke anybody? Alrighty sir!

IgnorantYokel 3 years, 8 months ago

Thomas:

Your basketball career is potentially worth millions and you're loved by Jayhawk fans throughout the country. Please don't jeopardize the good things in your life.

jhawkrulz 3 years, 8 months ago

For some reason I actually chuckled at your comment.

doctorWho 3 years, 8 months ago

Why blame Morningstar? He knew to just get in his car and drive home when things got out of hand after a night of drinking . . .

waywardJay 3 years, 8 months ago

except he never actually drove is what the report said..... he was probably sleeping it off.

84Hawk 3 years, 8 months ago

Nothing says TRob was IN the bar. It says he was outside of the bar. It also says he was trying to pull his friend off of someone. None of us were there. Who knows what happened when fists were flying. If notabandwagonfan is right and the bouncers are jerks, TRob is the perfect fall guy. Why not blame another Jayhawk? Granted, TRob should not have been out at 2am in front of a bar, but until it all comes out, we need to give him a break. Listen to IgnorantYokel TRob, and be careful who you hang out with. We all care about you and want you to do well!!

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

So, it seems a lot of people are more than happy to take this bouncer at his word, and in my experience with bouncers, that could be a mistake.

Full disclosure: I have never personally been involved in a scuffle with a bouncer, nor have any of my friends or immediate party when out at a bar. HOWEVER, I have seen many, many an instance of bouncers having too much of a sense of their own power and let it go to their heads. This sometimes is shown by being a little too rough with patrons, and I've also seen bouncers lie on behalf of their fellow bouncers when things do get a little to rough for appropriateness. And I know that bouncers will give a version of events to cops that paints them in a better light, knowing that their word will be trusted over the words of some club patrons.

Robinson shouldn't be putting himself in situations where this can happen, given how high profile he is, but I'm going to have to take Mr. Lauridsen's account of events with a grain of sea salt. I can't fathom a stand-up guy like Robinson actually spitting on someone, even out of anger.

One plausible scenario--a scuffle started between Robinson's friend and the bouncer in question, and Robinson tried to break it up, but the bouncer, more concerned with the disrespect that had already been shown to him by the friend, was bound and determined to exert his authority. I've seen too many instances of similar events happening to assume that Robinson had a completely out-of-character moment based on the account of one bouncer, who has an incentive to lie for his fellow bouncer.

SaulGood 3 years, 8 months ago

The Grand Pecking Order (Greatest to Least reliability in an eyewitness account)

  1. CIA agents
  2. NSA agents
  3. FBI agents
  4. Policemen (including sheriffs)
  5. Sheriff's deputy
  6. Secretary/receptionist at police/fire station
  7. Neighborhood watch chairpersons
  8. McGruff the Crime Dog
  9. Mil-Spec...uhhh...personnel
  10. Mall security guards
  11. Museum security guards
  12. KU campus police
  13. The nacho cheese vendor at the mall
  14. Smokey the Bear
  15. Smackey the Frog
  16. John Connor, savior of all mankind during the Resistance/War Against The Machines
  17. Lawrence bartenders
  18. Lawrence bouncers

waywardJay 3 years, 8 months ago

How would anyone in Lawrence, Mess with Thomas Robinson of all people.... It amazes me what we WILL publish (like..... anything Negative). We have some real idiots for fans sometimes.

84Hawk 3 years, 8 months ago

They aren't "fans". They're haters.

waywardJay 3 years, 8 months ago

84.... I think the term Hater has gone too far. We need a new word for this, it all started from Playah Hating..... I do believe this is no longer a sufficient word choice, just as I feel fist bumping ( with or without the explosion ) needs to go away.

dynamitehawk 3 years, 8 months ago

What about fist bumping, then breaking out Herbie Hancock's "Electric Boogaloo" loud on a boom box, and sliding into the robot for 30 seconds... Cause that's how I roll.

missmagoo 3 years, 8 months ago

I really like T-Rob, so my opinion might be somewhat biased.. but I like how the bouncer points out "basketball players" specifically. I agree with marchphog, I take Lauridsen's account with a grain of salt. Leave T-Rob alone, geez. Hasn't he been through enough??

gchawk 3 years, 8 months ago

Sometimes I miss the good old days when EVERYTHING wasn't reported. There are times that ignorance truly is bliss.

HawkBBall 3 years, 8 months ago

Back then the cops even gave you a ride home.

Jeremy Bolinger 3 years, 8 months ago

I see my fair share of "loud" people on campus, including several basketball and football players. Thomas Robinson is NOT a loud person. I highly doubt he'd punch a bouncer at a bar. Tyshawn Taylor on the other hand...........? I'd bet on that one.

waywardJay 3 years, 8 months ago

Tyshawn... Seriously... Didn't we learn he cannot throw a punch from the Football incident ? Anyone who knows how to punch knows not to break a wrist doing so.... there are A LOT of things I'm very Pro- Tyshawn about, but his fighting ability is not one of them.

Jeremy Bolinger 3 years, 8 months ago

LOL you're right. I probably could have picked another player. Would a Morris twin suffice?

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 8 months ago

what's worse?

the 25 year old bouncer who refuses to leave the college town for the real world.

or

the three year dorm living RA that thinks he's the man and all the freshmen residents respect him

phi4life940 3 years, 8 months ago

No big deal. ESPN, LJW etc. will blow this up but it's not a big deal. Sounds like the bouncers started it anyways....they're just mad they are going to get in trouble for letting them in to a 21+ club.

P.S. Anyone saying anything about this hurting us "next year...." - You are an idiot. I know we get ahead of ourselves sometimes...but just stop.

xclusive85 3 years, 8 months ago

So, does anyone else think that if TROB really did take a swing at a bouncer and hit him in the head that the bouncer would have been able to get up? No injuries? TROB would have destroyed someone!

midhawktx 3 years, 8 months ago

None of us know what happened. But these things have to stop. Just the national news alone is making us look bad.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/29938/kus-bad-behavior-beginning-to-add-up

Dyrk Dugan 3 years, 8 months ago

bless TRob's heart for all that he's been through this year....but this is not good. these incidents simply MUST stop. from a police blotter standpoint alone, our mens basketball team, has to easily have the highest pct. of these incidents, of all the varsity sports teams at KU.

after 2:00 a.m.? the old saying definitely does apply....nothing good happens in public after midnight...let alone 2 a.m. just simply walk away....he's 6-8...and 240 lbs....he sticks out like a sore thumb....if he goes after somebody, they're going to remember it, and, witnesses will remember.

i hope for his sake, legally, there is something to be said here so he doesn't convicted of a serious crime. but basketball wise, he needs to get punished hard. of course, it won't happen until Oct. 15, but still....HCBS needs to say to him...."you'll find out Oct. 15 what the punishment will be." He'll have to think about it all summer.

and you know what? if there is a case for a crime here...maybe he should get convicted....would truly send a message. because right now, very few are listening.

LaJHawk666 3 years, 8 months ago

I don't want him to miss any games (especially vs. Kensucky). Maybe just make him run some extra laps at practice?

actorman 3 years, 8 months ago

I nominate xclusive for the best post on this thread.

The whole thing sounds incredibly fishy to me, given how out of character it would seem to be for TRob (based on my admittedly extremely limited knowledge of his personality) and the fact that they already state he first got involved by trying to pull his friend away. And xclusive is on the money with his comment: if TRob had really hit someone, they would not have been reporting "no injuries."

Jack Wilson 3 years, 8 months ago

Curious, why is this "out of character" for TRob? Do you know him?

Bill Cushing 3 years, 8 months ago

Just sad for a guy to get involved with something so easy to avoid, you would think.

Hopefully he can learn and be the kind of KU representative we all hoped he would be.

The Jayhawk nation stepped up to help and I am sure he will do the same and step up now.

actorman 3 years, 8 months ago

I agree with mvjayhawk that TRob shouldn't have been out that late, so maybe he exhibited poor judgment by being at a bar late at night and maybe his friend was a troublemaker. But I still find it hard to believe that he became violent (or that he actually spit on someone).

LaJHawk666 3 years, 8 months ago

"TRob shouldn't have been out that late"

Yes, when I went to KU I was always tucked away in bed by 9:30PM.

KEITHMILES05 3 years, 8 months ago

The article does say there could be others charged but of course they charge Thomas first.

Kristen Downing 3 years, 8 months ago

Perfect timing boys(and I mean boys)right in the middle of a very important recruiting push! Way to think of the team. And Self, you're paid enought to get control.

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

That's funny. No one was arrested. No one is accused of committing assault.

And the MISDEMEANOR BATTERY citation came on the eyewitness account of someone who has every reason to be less than forthcoming. Not to mention the whole dichotomy between a citation, and a guilty outcome.

Sorry pal, but the tenor of your posts goes far beyond "skeptical, concerned and realistic KU fan". A "realistic" fan would be unhappy about events like these, but would also be more than happy to wait for the full facts and details to come out. You, on the other hand, are champing at the bit to condemn this guy, when he's shown evidence that this action--even if he is guilty of it--is out of his character.

Plus, given the fact that your profile and username have existed for a lengthy FIVE DAYS, I'm going to hazard a guess that you are a poser and a troll who is only here to rile up controversy.

Get lost.

Steve Gantz 3 years, 8 months ago

I raised the same issue after the season ending debacle, got villified. Character issues hurt this team.

BCRavenJHawkfan 3 years, 8 months ago

Geebus, this is turning into some kind of right-of-passage for KU.

MR_L 3 years, 8 months ago

Blame the bouncers of the club for NOT having the club cleared out by 2 am.....

tauck 3 years, 8 months ago

Slowly but surely, we are turning into a thug-like program like everyone else. One thing you could always look to from KU was a classy, classy basketball program. Starting with Ted Owens then Larry Brown and finally Roy Williams, the basketball was always top notch and the behavior was always mature and classy. We are slowly starting to lose those attributes both on and off the court. No offense, but it is starting to get embarrassing and it starts at the top. The contol has been lost, not totally at all, but the cracks are starting to show.

MR_L 3 years, 8 months ago

This is a classy team....a fight doesn't make you unclassy. You NEVER know when and where you will get into a fight in life.....it's called life. Thug-like is to say there ae too many black players on the team. They are thee only ones to ever get into trouble right?? These are young people. No matter how mature you may be, these people need the chance to make mistakes like everybody else that has ever walked the planet. They shouldn't have to stay indoors and only worry about books and basketball.

Steve Gantz 3 years, 8 months ago

Everybody makes mistakes, I agree. But that's the lamest excuse to apply to situations like this. Almost all of us don't make mistakes that get us arrested.

Was this team classy? It's obviously hard to quantify, however, going back to last year the fights, arrests, flagrant fouls, indicate that this years' teams has been unlike any other team in my 25 years of following the Jayhawks.

MR_L 3 years, 8 months ago

Has the world changed or hasn't it changed in 25 years?? June Cleaver is dead. He got into trouble for "pulling" people off....fights can happen anywhere and for any reason. People are victims of random acts of violence everyday i.e. fights. He is 6 feet 10 and very recognizable so they gave his name....notice they gave no one elses name....

There is NO such thing as a classy basketball team or sports team for that matter.....

Steve Gantz 3 years, 8 months ago

But your first post you said this is a classy team. Which is it? As for TRob, guilty of poor judgment then to be in a place where the potential is higher for something like this than say, home at 2AM.

Jeremy Bolinger 3 years, 8 months ago

Larry Brown and class? We're we not on probation after he left? I'm confused....

Marc Frey 3 years, 8 months ago

I tell my children "Nothing good happens at 2am".

PhogAdvisory 3 years, 8 months ago

I don't know if that was an intentional How I Met Your Mother reference... but I was thinking the same thing, and I approve.

Jack Wilson 3 years, 8 months ago

Actually, looking back on college .. more than a few good things happened around 2:00 am.

MarloStanfield 3 years, 8 months ago

All bouncers in every town a pathetic losers. book it.

khekhen 3 years, 8 months ago

and former drug kingpins that walked away from the game after having no rules, shame or respect are what exactly?

Benjamin Piehler 3 years, 8 months ago

what does his user name have to do with anything? yes, I watch the wire. also the way the show ended, you could argue how long he would stay away from "the game".

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Uhjh 3 years, 8 months ago

Enough already!! This is a repeatable thing, please free up a scholarship and leave KU. We do not need you period.

Jeremy Bolinger 3 years, 8 months ago

umm........are you serious? You leave this board. We dont need your un-American values on this board. Guilty until proven innocent? And misdemeanor charges dont amount to crap. You sir, are a tool.

LaJHawk666 3 years, 8 months ago

Are you kidding?!?! He's the best player on the team! Maybe Jeunemann can take the fall for him. How many rebounds did he have last season?

Corey Shideler 3 years, 8 months ago

You just sound like a racist idiot who can't spell

bbhawk234 3 years, 8 months ago

Back in my days which was not too long ago we just went our separate ways and called it good. Who the hell are all of the squealers.These bouncers are a bunch of wimps.

LaJHawk666 3 years, 8 months ago

Worse than Mario chasing his ex-girlfriend and shoving her head in a sink??? Get some perspective, dude. Hitting any girl (even a b***h) is worse than hitting most guys. And did you read the above post--it says Lawrence bouncers are d-bags. That's good enough for me.

Free T-Robb!!!

blindrabbit 3 years, 8 months ago

Agree with tauck and his 4:03 P.M. post. I'll admit I am biased (and with good reason after living back East for 15 years), but Self needs to back off of recruiting kids from urban cities in the East. Owens, Brown and Williams recruited more heavily on the West and Midwest and seemed to avoid most of the disciplinary problems that seem to afflict KU lately. Maybe I'm crazy, but!

Mike Kendall 3 years, 8 months ago

I don't know all the facts behind this situation but this is disappointing that T-Rob would be involved after what he has been through. Not a roller coaster ride I wanted to ride. HCBS has to be miserable right now. I hope these types of news stories end soon---but I won't hold my breath on that thought.

halogenlamps 3 years, 8 months ago

Dear Lord, don't these police/prosecutors have better things to do than to charge kids with crimes for fighting? I get sick of this crap. Not because Thomas is a basketball player, but this was a fight. Get over it, already.

Hammertime12 3 years, 8 months ago

Reputation of the basketball team is declining especially around the country. Mario Little and Thomas Robinson both with battery charges. The Trash talkin Twins. Not good for KU.

bbhawk234 3 years, 8 months ago

Pretty soon the prosecutors are going to start charging for jaywalking. Seriously can't someone take a poop without the entire world knowing what it smells like.

Janet Olin 3 years, 8 months ago

Troll alert. Many facts have yet to be substantiated. So far, only that Thomas pulled another guy off one who was fighting. Probably more to it, but we are not privy to all the facts yet. Wait till the facts are in, please.

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

Every single piece of "truth" you just cited comes from the account of a single person. Not the police. Not a group of eyewitnesses. ONE PERSON.

And that one person just happens to be someone who has a vested interest in making sure the blame for the altercation falls squarely on the people who aren't his fellow bouncer co-worker.

And that one person also happens to be someone who's eager to talk to the local paper to tell the side of the story that leaves he and his crew free of blame.

The fact that this guy's word is being treated as anything more credible than any yahoo who was standing around watching is a joke, in my opinion.

Janet Olin 3 years, 8 months ago

Wait until 'facts' from both sides are sorted, please, not just the bouncer accounts. That's called fairness; then, if there is criminal behavior, I have no problem criticizing it.

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 8 months ago

bob huggins thinks our basketball team has problems!

Benjamin Piehler 3 years, 8 months ago

KU has been doing an excellent job of embarrassing itself the last couple years....

LaJHawk666 3 years, 8 months ago

Hey, we make the Tourney every year. It's cool with me. Better than being Iowa St. no matter how much "class" they have, cuz we have 3NCs and a huge pile of conference championships.

It's not like the players are shootin' men just for snorin'. One time I pissed in a bank vestibule but I ended up a decent citizen with no felony convictions.

I'll give the kid the benefit of the doubt and hope he learns from it. And for the record, I haven't pissed in a bank vestibule in years.

Clarence Haynes 3 years, 8 months ago

I don't like this trend also, but I think that Brennan (the ESPN writer) should have waited until the hearing before his rush to judgement, because it is unclear as to what happened. I sent him an email to that effect.

johninkc1 3 years, 8 months ago

My best guess is the bouncer is the one who was out of control. Thomas is a fine young man and if he defended his friend or himself then good for him. I would hope my friends would do the same for me. Innocent until proven guilty or is it prove yourself innocent while everyone assumes your guilty these days.

bbhawk234 3 years, 8 months ago

1 No not all bouncers are there to keep peace. I worked in a bar for 3 years while in college and trust me its not all about keeping peace. Most bouncers watch way to much road house.

johninkc1 3 years, 8 months ago

Forgive me IrishDaddy for not proofing better. NO I DON'T WORK FOR KU but if I did I would tell the coaches to get their players under control but if someone messes with you or your friend then don't back down. I have seen enough bad behavior by bouncers over the years and know that most of them are on power trips. If T-Rob had hit the bouncer, he would be in the hospital not running his mouth. BTW, why are you here.

PhogAdvisory 3 years, 8 months ago

Y'know, you're jumping all over people for "assuming" T-Rob didn't do anything wrong... but aren't you doing the same thing by "assuming" the bouncers did everything right?

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

IrishDaddy says "typical..."

I say "how ironic", given the redundant nature of his posts.

actorman 3 years, 8 months ago

Funny how IrishDaddy continues to ignore the slightly pertinent point that all of these "facts" come from ONE person! Nobody approves of "spitting on and hitting employees ..." But most people (IrishDaddy apparently excluded) also don't approve of rushing to judge someone who has NO history of trouble and who in fact has displayed admirable restraint in the past (see Cal game).

If actual facts come out showing that TRob is guilty, I will be tremendously disappointed in him and he should be suspended for a few games. And there's no question that it's been a rough few years in general for the KU athletic department. But I for one am going to wait to see what comes out before jumping on someone with no previous indication of this type of behavior. As I said earlier, I don't think it's the smartest thing to be at a bar at 2:00 a.m. But that still doesn't make him guilty of hitting someone and spitting on him.

Dan Pawlowski 3 years, 8 months ago

I'll wait for the facts to come out on this before judging. I don't know about anyone else but when I was frequenting clubs many of the bouncers were thugs looking for an excuse to clock someone.

arizonahawk 3 years, 8 months ago

Fair or unfair, the frequency of student athlete altercations is what I expected if KU would have signed Calipari. And, hey, maybe Calipari is unfairly criticized too.

What this boils down to is ... KU better police itself or the NCAA will.

Not to go too "old school" but "c'mon guys, you play for the name of the front of the jersey, not the name on the back!"

shinguard 3 years, 8 months ago

Nothing good EVER happens at closing time.

Thomas's involvement started when he was pulling people away from a fight/altercation. Then he snapped. Based on everything he has been through. I can see a number of reason why he could have snapped. But the fact remains, he put himself in that situation by hanging out at closing time (along with other team members).

Nothing good EVER happens at closing time.

kcjaydoc 3 years, 8 months ago

Most of the Lawrence bouncers are just pissed off idiots on a power trip. I've even seen some of these fine, upstanding Cave bouncers pushing women out of the club at closing time (which, per Mario Little, should result in these moronic bouncers getting slapped with a battery charge as well.)

The account provided by Adam Lauridsen isn't even coherent.

tauck 3 years, 8 months ago

Ever since Naismith invented the game of basketball college basketball players have been going to bars and getting their drink on, getting their party on and basically doing what college kids do. At know time in our storied history can I ever remember of our basketball players ever getting in this much trouble. It has nothing to do with the kind of atheletes we recruit but it does have everything to do with the expectations put on these atheletes when they arrive. The expectations used to be sky high in terms of behavior, the expectations have now, for whatever reason been lowered. Behavior that was once taboo is now tolerated. This tolerance over time has caused a behavorial downfall that just may have a snowball effect if it hasn't already. Let me be clear on this, THE DISCIPLINE ALWAYS STARTS AND ENDS WITH THE HEAD COACH. Hard decisions need to be made as to the direction of this program and what is going to accepted discipline wise both on and off the court.

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

Nothing you've droned on about here changes the facts that we know:

1) The witness (aka, the "victim" and therefore someone who was himself involved in the altercation) is a bouncer at the Cave

2) The corroborating witness is another bouncer at the Cave. Again, I'm sure he has no motive to lie for his coworker...

3) The ticket was served on Monday night, after an altercation that happened Sunday night. That means the citation was based entirely on the coordinated story of these two bouncers, one of whom referred to the victim as "his buddy". In other words, the citation was not based upon any police observation of the incident, but only on a 3rd-party account of which we have no reason to trust the accuracy.

3) Oddly, the only people being charged in this incident seem to have been on the same side of the altercation. Apparently, if we are to believe the citation reports as gospel truth, Robinson and some as-yet-unidentified 6'7" person just started beating on people.

I guess that's the MO in Lawrence--bar bouncers are given the benefit of the doubt, given their position of "authority", and they are exempt from trouble even when involved in the kinds of behaviors that would get an ordinary person a battery citation. By the way, did anyone else notice that now all of a sudden the article has been updated to include that a fight occurred inside the club? Another piece of information that was probably offered up by the bouncers... perhaps when they realized that it was strange for a fight to just happen outside the club and that it might imply that the altercation was initiated by a bouncer who, trying to clear out the club at 2am, started placing his hands on people...

I'll be the first to express my disappointment in Robinson if it comes out that he was one of the antagonists in this affair. I'm already a bit disappointed that he would put himself in such a situation in the first place. That being said, I'm not about to condemn a kid, when the prior evidence makes this seem out of character, and given the facts I've stated above.

But this story reeks of scenarios I've seen so many times in my younger days frequenting bars around Lawrence, with the only difference being a high-profile local "celebrity" is involved...

JayhawkBigXII 3 years, 8 months ago

The "bouncer" is from Missouri. Case closed.

phog1984 3 years, 8 months ago

I have been in that bar multiple times and the bouncers think they are tough and start things for fun. The other thing is the bouncers arent that big if T Rob had hit one of those guys they would probably have had a broken jaw and definitely would not have been awake to give a statement to anyone! This is just a bouncer trying to look cool and say he took a punch from Thomas Robinson and wasn,t even hurt by it.

actorman 3 years, 8 months ago

What's wrong with you, marchphog88 and phog1984? Why are you guys trying to inject logic into the discussion? Can't you see that IrishDaddy wants to rip the KU program and no actual FACTS are going to change his mind?

johninkc1 3 years, 8 months ago

Agree with Ralster. I think IrishDaddy is just hating on our team, coaches and university. We are not perfect but I will stand beside my players until proven guilty. Let he without sin cast the first stone. Oh wait, the boulder has been cast.

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

Just keep posting the same information over and over...

...and over.... ...and over... ...and over...

Typical troll tactic. Ignore the comments that request that you address shortcomings in your argument, and instead continue to spam the message board with the same repetitive arguments.

Just so we're clear, us real KU fans can be displeased with some of the recent events (like Mario's arrest, Brady's DUI, Tyshawn getting into a fight with a football player) and still not be willing to throw Robinson under the bus for a situation that lacks full disclosure of facts, and where the only account we have is one of a potentially-biased party.

Why are you so eager to take Adam Lauridsen's word for what happened that night? It doesn't matter to you that a week passed between the event and the police citing Robinson?

If you are a "realistic, actual fan" as you continue to repeat, then you will answer these questions, rather than just continuing to post an article that you believe proves your point.

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

No, the funny thing is really your continued desperate pleas for attention.

And the fact that you didn't answer the questions, essentially admitting to being a troll.

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

I already saw he was a KU grad. A Google search of "Adam Lauridsen Lawrence" revealed an old Kansan article from 2007, at which point in time Lauridsen was a Junior.

But I'm not sure I follow your logic--are you actually trying to imply that no KU grad would ever mislead or lie about something as long as it involved a KU basketball player?

Even when there are more direct and tangible consequences that might come from not lying? Because I've seen bouncers do the exact thing that I'm wondering about going on in this case--lying to preserve the notion that the bouncer crew was doing their job properly and professionally.

But point of fact: you still haven't addressed any of the questions. Your insistence that you aren't a troll grows less valid with every subsequent post.

madamhawk 3 years, 8 months ago

IrishDaddy=Adam Lauridsen

Case closed. Next story please.

actorman 3 years, 8 months ago

IrishDaddy, you should run for office: keep repeating the same trite crap, never answer a question, never deal with facts, you'd be perfect!

Greg Lux 3 years, 8 months ago

I will say it again and again .... Nothing good happens after midnight .. Curfew please

Rock Chalk

Greg Lux 3 years, 8 months ago

I will say it again and again .... Nothing good happens after midnight .. Curfew please

Rock Chalk

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