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Originally published March 27, 2009 at 06:08p.m., updated March 28, 2009 at 01:37a.m.

FINAL: Michigan State uses late comeback to take down KU, 67-62

Kansas players, from left, Tyrone Appleton, Mario Little and Marcus Morris can't watch the final moments of the Jayhawks' loss to Michigan State during the second half Friday, March 27, 2009 at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis.

Kansas players, from left, Tyrone Appleton, Mario Little and Marcus Morris can't watch the final moments of the Jayhawks' loss to Michigan State during the second half Friday, March 27, 2009 at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis.

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2009 KU-Michigan State March 27

KU vs. Michigan St.

Reader poll

Who was KU's first-half MVP against Michigan State?

  • Sherron Collins 26% 16 votes
  • Cole Aldrich 46% 28 votes
  • Brady Morningstar 20% 12 votes
  • Other 6% 4 votes

60 total votes.

Reader poll

Other than Sherron Collins and Cole Aldrich, which Jayhawk will have the best game against Michigan State?

  • Brady Morningstar 37% 10 votes
  • Tyrel Reed 7% 2 votes
  • Mario Little 18% 5 votes
  • Marcus Morris 22% 6 votes
  • Other 14% 4 votes

27 total votes.

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KU scoring

Collins 20 (9-for-13 shooting), Aldrich 17 (14 rebounds), Taylor 8, Morningstar 6, Marcus Morris 4, Reed 3, Markieff Morris 2, Little 2.

KU was 24-for-53 from the floor (45.3 percent), 3-for-12 from three (25 percent) and 11-for-13 from the free-throw line (84.6 percent).

MSU was 23-for-59 from the field (39 percent), 5-for-15 from three (33.3 percent) and 16-for-17 from the free-throw line (94.1 percent).

KU out-rebounded MSU, 37-31. KU had 19 turnovers to MSU’s 13.

FINAL: MSU defeats KU, 67-62

KU gets a break, as the officials call a trip on MSU’s Morgan. I don’t think there was any contact there. Taylor makes both ends of the one-and-one.

Lucas hits both ends of his one-and-one, but on the other end, he gets bumped by Lucas with 19 seconds left. Collins, though, misses the front end, and MSU comes away with the rebound.

Lucas is fouled and makes both free throws, and Collins misses a three on the other end.

Time runs out on the Jayhawks. MSU comes away with the 67-62 victory.

MSU 63/KU 60 — 34 seconds left in game

Collins turns it over trying to throw a pass to Aldrich.

With the shot clock winding down, Lucas spins, gets Collins in the air, then swishes a short shot with a foul. Just a great individual effort there. He makes the free throw.

Self uses another timeout to set up a play.

KU 60/MSU 60 — 1:31 left in game

Collins once again picks up his team offensively. With the shot clock winding down, he makes something out of nothing, driving in before throwing a one-handed shot over a defender.

Summers follows with a tip-in for MSU. The Spartans picked up about four offensive boards before finally getting one to go down.

MSU misses its first free throw, but MSU is able to save the rebound. Raymar Morgan follows with a slam to tie it.

With possession, Self calls timeout.

KU 58/MSU 55 — 3:51 left in game

“Mr. Big Shot” Tyrel Reed comes through with a huge three for KU. Collins drove and managed to get the ball out to him, and Reed swished the shot to put KU up three.

Before the play, it looked like Collins motioned to Self the play that he wanted.

Suton misses a jumper, and Collins drives and lays one off the glass for two. Suton follows with a layup for MSU. This should be an exciting last four minutes.

Marcus Morris hobbles off the court, and it appears he might have sprained an ankle. We’ll see if he returns.

MSU 51/KU 49 — 6:54 left in game

MSU catches a break there, as Chris Allen gets the benefit of a foul call when Reed didn’t make much contact at all. Allen made both free throws, and the Spartans are a perfect 9-for-9 from the line.

MSU’s Idong Ibok tries to throw the ball inbounds after Allen made the second free throw. Don’t know what that was about. KU fans make sure to let him know about his mistake.

Lucas hits a wide-open three, and Izzo throws a wild first-pump in right in front of me. The Spartans have drawn even again.

Travis Walton throws in a floater in the lane for his first points, and Self calls timeout. The Spartans take their first lead since the first half.

The Jayhawks have hit a serious drought. They’re also taking bad shots. KU didn’t score a field goal during that TV timeout to TV timeout stretch. Self is able to steal Collins’ last rest of the game, though, resting him for a minute after taking the timeout.

KU 48/MSU 42 — 11:47 left in game

KU picks up its defense at just the right time.

The Jayhawks’ man defense once again in causing the Spartans fits. As a bonus, without Suton in, MSU isn’t getting any offensive rebounds, either.

Collins gets a finger roll in transition, and Aldrich finishes off a no-look pass from Collins with a layup. The Jayhawks have opened a small but of breathing room.

KU 44/MSU 42 — 14:45 left in game

Suton is left open up top, and he swishes a three to tie the score at 42. The Jayhawks have to do a better job of recognizing the Spartan’s only hot shooter.

Aldrich follows with a mid-range jumper, and KU continues regains its small advantage.

Suton picks up his third foul by pushing Aldrich on an offensive rebound try. The MSU center looks tired. Obviously, a fourth foul on Suton would be huge if KU could draw it.

KU 40/MSU 38 — 17:02 left in game

Lucas misses an open three after Taylor is slow to get to him. Izzo swings around and just rolls his eyes.

Suton hits another jumper. The Jayhawks are leaving him open and paying for it. Summers follows with a three, and KU’s defense is making a habit of getting out late to shooters on the perimeter.

Green puts in a layup with a foul, and MSU has scored on four straight possessions. The Jayhawks look a step slow out of the halftime break. Self calls timeout, as the lead is down to two.

KU scoring

Collins 12 (5-for-6 shooing, 4 turnovers), Aldrich 10 (3-for-9 shooting, 8 rebounds), Morningstar 6, Taylor 2, Marcus Morris 2, Markieff Morris 2, Little 2.

KU was 15-for-30 from the floor (50 percent), 2-for-6 from three (33.3 percent) and 4-for-4 from the free-throw line (100 percent).

MSU was 10-for-28 from the floor (35.7 percent), 2-for-8 from three (25 percent) and 7-for-7 from the free-throw line (100 percent).

Suton had 13 points on 5-for-9 shooting. He averages 9.8 points per game.

KU out-rebounded MSU, 18-15. The Spartans had 10 turnovers to the Jayhawks’ nine.

Halftime thoughts

The Jayhawks are winning the battle of the boards, and that might be the biggest key. Though Aldrich has been up and down offensively, he’s ripping away all the tough rebounds that he didn’t come away with in East Lansing, Mich.

Nice half for Collins, who hit two huge shots for the Jayhawks. Two of his “tough” buckets came during KU scoring droughts and helped his team get going again. Watch his turnover count, though, as he already has four. He had just two in two games of the NCAA Tournament coming into today.

We shouldn’t question Brady Morningstar’s defense by now, but this was even a good half for him. The two steals and breakaway dunks gave KU both momentum and easy points.

Watch the turnover count in the second half. Giveaways are the only reason KU is not up double digits. The Jayhawks had nine first-half turnovers against a team that doesn’t force many of them. In the first round, Robert Morris had just six turnovers all game against the Spartans. That tells you most of the Jayhawks’ errors have been unforced, and they need to secure the ball to help their offense and also to avoid giving up easy points in transition.

MSU made just 25 percent of its threes in the first half. Remember, that's the magic number for KU.

KU 36/MSU 29 — Halftime

Self has to be happy on that possession, as with Collins out, his team out-scrapped scrappy Michigan State. After a scramble for the ball, Aldrich ended up with it before putting home a power slam. Credit goes to Markieff Morris for keeping the ball alive.

MSU makes a run before the end of the half. Suton makes two free throws after KU bailed him out with one second left on the shot clock. The next possession, Taylor tried to split two defenders and had the ball swiped away. Lucas finished with an easy layup on the other end.

Another turnover for KU, and Lucas gets two free throws. Collins tries to lob a pass to Aldrich that’s stolen, and that’s three straight giveaways for the Jayhawks.

Collins breaks the drought again with a guarded 20-footer, and Aldrich beats the shot clock with a 19-footer of his own.

Suton beats the buzzer with a shot. After video review, the officials rule he released the shot just in time. That could be a crucial play late.

KU takes a seven-point lead into the break.

KU 30/MSU 19 — 3:47 left in 1st half

Nice move by Markieff Morris, who composes himself, clears some space with his elbows, then puts in a layup.

The Jayhawks take advantage of a substitution miscue by MSU coach Tom Izzo. The coach was trying to steal a minute by sitting four of his starters — Lucas, Walton, Goran Suton and Raymar Morgan — at the same time. KU gets a tip-in from Collins, then a steal and dunk from Morningstar.

Izzo takes timeout to get his starters back in, but with the run, the Jayhawks have taken a 10-point lead.

Out of the timeout, the Jayhawks go to a zone. After at least four offensive rebounds, MSU cashes in, as Suton gets a two and foul. Don’t know why KU switched up from a man defense that was working pretty well.

KU sticks to the zone, and Reed gets a steal. A pass ahead gets Collins a lay-in, and the Jayhawks have their largest lead at 30-19.

KU 20/MSU 16 — 7:57 left in 1st half

Mario Little checks out of the game just a couple minutes after he gets in there. He wasn’t playing well defensively and also had a turnover on an illegal screen. KU can’t afford those kinds of mental lapses in this game.

The Jayhawks are doing a great job of getting Aldrich the ball, but he’s shying away from contact. Aldrich needs to take it into the defender instead of fading away. Aldrich starts the game 0-for-5 from the floor.

Collins gets KU out of a funk. Hitting a stepback three. Seconds later, Aldrich hads a steal land in his hands, and his long pass to Taylor results in a dunk.

KU catches a break, as it looked like Collins reached in on an MSU player. That would have been his second foul. Instead, the official called a travel.

After a foul on MSU, Draymond Green yelled some words at Collins. Not one to back down, Collins said something back to Green while walking toward him. The two were separated by officials before anything escalated.

KU 15/MSU 10 — 11:58 left in 1st half

A nice move by Collins under the basket gives KU a 9-2 lead. The advantage evaporates quickly, though.

After a three from Chris Allen, Collins tries to force the issue in traffic and loses the ball. A few quick passes later, Durrell Summers swishes a three, and MSU has an 8-0 run.

KU answers with six straight, including a highlight from Morningstar. Following a steal, he threw in a one-handed jam on the fast break. I don’t remember him dunking all year (or all of his KU career).

KU 5/MSU 2 — 15:38 left in 1st half

Both teams look jittery early. That surprises me, as I figured the Jayhawks would come out more loose than they did.

Collins gets KU’s first points, draining a three from the side.

The Jayhawks are playing good defense early. An interesting matchup to watch will be Morningstar on Raymar Morgan. The KU sophomore has done a good job of fronting the post player so far.

Aldrich misses a bunny after a good lob pass from Morningstar. KU misses a chance to go up 7-0.

Both teams’ shooting seems to be affected by the spacious building. Aldrich and Markieff Morris miss two more easy ones for KU.

8:33 p.m. CST

Warning: This isn’t going to be a stunning or surprising statement.

Sherron Collins is the key to this game.

He might be frustrated early, as MSU’s Travis Walton — the Big Ten’s defensive player of the year — will try to take him out of his game.

Last time, the Spartans focused on stopping Collins and let the rest take care of itself. That strategy worked out pretty well.

Collins will have to keep his head and, no matter how many shots are missed early, keep faith in his teammates.

This should be a great test for the junior.

8:21 p.m. CST

Here are a few things to watch for in tonight’s game:

Michigan State only gets 26 percent of its points from three-pointers, ranking 313th nationally. Still, the Spartans are undefeated (22-0) when they shoot better than 25 percent from beyond the arc. MSU is just 6-6 when it shoots 25 percent or worse from three.

The Spartans get a whopping 56 percent of their points from two-pointers, which ranks 72nd nationally. That’s actually not a bad stat for KU, as the Jayhawks are fifth nationally in two-point percentage defense (40.8 percent).

MSU isn't great at forcing turnovers. Its turnover-percentage defense is 192nd overall, as the Spartans force turnovers on 19.9 percent of their defensive possessions. KU had 14 turnovers the first game against MSU, so taking care of the ball should be a main focus for KU, especially early.

The Spartans have not been out-rebounded since Dec. 20. 2008, against Texas. MSU is 2-1 when it is out-rebounded. The Spartans out-rebounded the Jayhawks, 42-31, in the first meeting.

FINAL: UL defeats Arizona, 103-64

Not much more to say about that one. The Cardinals put up the most dominating performance so far in the round of 16.

We’ll get to KU pregame notes shortly.

UL 92/Arizona 58 — 3:25 left in game

Arizona finally went to a man defense, but I can see why coach Russ Rennell was so hesitant. After an open three and a dunk from Louisville, it’s obvious that the Wildcats are struggling to play any sort of defense tonight.

UL 82/Arizona 49 — 7:27 left in game

Not much to add here. Have I said this is one of the worst zone defenses I’ve ever seen in this round of the NCAA Tournament? I guess I have now.

UL 72/Arizona 40 — 11:32 left in game

If the Jayhawks do get past Michigan State tonight, they probably will need to send out a thank-you card to the Missouri Tigers.

In many other years, Louisville’s pressing defense would be a style that KU had not seen all year.

This year, that’s not the case. Missouri plays similar to the Cardinals, though it’s obvious that Louisville executes its system with more athletic and gifted players than MU has.

Still, it won’t hurt KU to have at least have had a taste of this frantic, speed-you-up style.

UL 60/Arizona 33 — 15:19 left in game

Louisville came in with the reputation of being a great defensive team, but it’s showing the entire offensive arsenal tonight. Earl Clark and Terrence Williams combine for three straight three-pointers against Arizona’s shoddy zone defense, and Louisville has extended its advantage all the way to 27.

More than half of the Cardinals shots (20 of 37) have come from beyond the three-point line. This season, Louisville has gotten 33 percent of its points from beyond the arc, which ranks 54th in Division I.

UL 49/Arizona 28 — Halftime

Arizona's Nic Wise finally gets his first field goal — a three — and he looks up to the sky as if to say, “Finally.”

UL’s Jerry Smith is left wide-open for two consecutive threes, and he drains both. Time for Arizona to get out of its zone, as the Cardinals were 6-for-15 (40 percent) from three in the first half.

Louisville looks like the tournament’s No. 1 overall seed in taking a 21-point halftime lead.

UL 40/Arizona 21 — 3:29 left in 1st half

Terrence Williams goes flying to the sidelines for a rebound, and he’s fortunate a Louisville assistant coach was right there to push him back toward the court. Without the boost, Williams was getting ready to land flat on his back off the raised-court floor.

Samardo Samuels puts in yet another layup with a foul, and Arizona’s zone hasn’t prevented Louisville from getting any shot it wants.

UL 34/Arizona 19 — 6:00 left in 1st half

Arizona is overmatched, and it’s really showing now. Louisiville is getting dunks nearly at will, while the Wildcats are being sped up by the Cardinals’ press.

UA coach Russ Pennell calls timeout, but it might already be too late. Louisville has made 56 percent of its shots and looks like, at least now, like it will be the fourth Big East team to qualify for the Elite Eight.

UL 26/Arizona 17 — 7:39 left in 1st half

Arizona has held its own on the boards so far. The Wildcats are out-rebounding the Cardinals, 11-9.

Another factor that should come into play in the first half is the team-foul situation. The Cardinals have seven team fouls to the Wildcats’ one, and most of the whistles have come from Louisville’s over-aggressiveness with its full-court press. Arizona, which already has seven turnovers, could use some free point opportunities on the line.

UL 10/Arizona 7 — 15:26 left in first half

Chase Budinger is trying his best to keep Arizona in it. He has all seven points for the Wildcats, who have trailed the entire game.

There are a ton of Louisville fans here. The Cardinals definitely have the home-court advantage in this one.

6:06 p.m. CST

Welcome back to the Newell Post Live, coming to you from Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis where the third-seeded Kansas Jayhawks will take on the second-seeded Michigan State Spartans later tonight.

In the meantime, we'll be running a live-game blog over the earlier game between top-seeded Louisville and 12th-seeded Arizona. Be sure to add your comments of the game below.

For more on the NCAA Tournament, check out NCAA.com.

Comments

cwag 11 years, 3 months ago

Jayhawk Paint,Glass and Hardware comes to play -

KU 78 MSU 71

Jesse Newell 11 years, 3 months ago

cwag — Does that mean MSU is actually a threat to the force?

cwag 11 years, 3 months ago

The force has already achieved all objectives for this mission. However, any enemies encountered from this point forward are a major threat.

Andy Hess 11 years, 3 months ago

Louisville is the real deal. I probably should've picked them to come out of the midwest.

FairgroveJayhawk 11 years, 3 months ago

arizona has no answer. Oklahoma and syracuse are playing much better.

FairgroveJayhawk 11 years, 3 months ago

hey jnewell - how is the crowd looking in indy? who appears to have the most fans in the arena before the game? KU or msu?

Jesse Newell 11 years, 3 months ago

Fairgrove — The answer is Louisville. By a lot. I'd say they have five times the fans of any other team here, though I could be mistaking some Cardinal red for Arizona red.

As for KU and MSU, I'd say it's about even. Maybe a few more Spartans fans (I've been told it's shorter than a four-hour drive here from East Lansing), but so far, I would say the difference between the two fan bases isn't too significant.

okjhok 11 years, 3 months ago

Make that 39-26 at the break...KU needs to keep the mo going for the Big 12

Jesse Newell 11 years, 3 months ago

Is Griffin tearing apart the 2-3 zone? That seemed to be the topic all week.

Looks like the Sooners are playing a little defense, too. That was my concern with them. They do have quick guards that can match up with Flynn, I guess.

osagefire209 11 years, 3 months ago

I am praying my power does not go out tonight, I will be really upset in nice words

okjhok 11 years, 3 months ago

I don't think anyone can guard Flynn if he doesn't want them too. The 'Cuse isn't playing that well. Flynn tried to take a charge on Griffin and now probably wishes he hadn't....took a hard fall.

FairgroveJayhawk 11 years, 3 months ago

Oklahoma is tearing up the zone, some decent 3-point shooting but more importantly they are consistently getting it in to Griffith with good interior passing. If Syracuse doesn't come out with a new lease, they will look like Arizona pretty quick.

frompekka2sasha 11 years, 3 months ago

If we play a lot of zone, we have a great shot of winning this game. I know that Self is well aware of the tactics needed to beat them but I hope the pride of playing "man to man" stays in his conscious but doesn't happen much.

How can it take sooooooooooo looooooooooong for a game to start? Listening to pre-game and could care less about the two games going on right now.

cffighter86 11 years, 3 months ago

Yo Jess. Question off the topic of basketball. Is the weather out there as miserable it is here in OP,KS?

Lone_salina_kufan 11 years, 3 months ago

Johnny Flynn is really hurting. I think OU is headed to the Elite 8

FairgroveJayhawk 11 years, 3 months ago

no, syracuse doesn't have a chance to win now.

Jesse Newell 11 years, 3 months ago

Not bad here. A little colder than it is this time of year, but I walked the eight or so blocks to the arena both yesterday and today. It's still jacket/heavy-coat weather, but not cancel bingo night weather like it is back there.

optichawk 11 years, 3 months ago

What do you all think about Gillispie's firing at UK? He's a bud of Self so he's a bud of mine...problem is he like to drink a lot of Bud (I hear from UK Fan).

cwag 11 years, 3 months ago

Gillespie will land on his feet. The lack of continuity at UK is great, since we have been steadily gaining on them in total wins. I sure wish Creighton had held on the other night in the NIT.....

Lone_salina_kufan 11 years, 3 months ago

Watch out, he'll be the next Baylor coach. Hes gonna be back close to Texas somehow. Thats his bread and butter

Blake Brown 11 years, 3 months ago

Big Xll rocks!1 OU, MU and now KU. Lets go Hawks!!! As stated before, nothing beats making shots. Tonight, we hit em. Everyone is hot. Louisville next.

Steve Gantz 11 years, 3 months ago

This is probably a little far fetched, but wouldn't it be great if after all this talk about the Big East that the Big XII gets 3 teams in the final four?!

Jesse Newell 11 years, 3 months ago

I think Gillispie burned some bridges in Kentucky. He should be a top assistant somewhere next year, if not a coach somewhere. As Keegan stated before, if Ford left for Kentucky, would Gillispie be a fit at OSU?

optichawk 11 years, 3 months ago

CWAG, I watch that too and was hopeful we could get much closer to UK this year but they won two games in the "non-tourney" which unfortunately count. Gillispie is actually a good coach but came to Lexington with a little more baggage then most people knew about.

88_Yell_Leader 11 years, 3 months ago

Jayhawk men. Yes, men. Sherron & Cole played like men last weekend. Well done. Stay hungry fellas, and don't for a moment feel like you deserve good things to happen in tonight's game: you have to go TAKE it. It won't just be given to you. Again, stay hungry and you CAN take it. We believe in you.

To the rest of the team, you guys have everything you need now to take it WAY up to the next level. Relax and play; just have fun. You are capable of beating these guys - beating anyone in fact, if you trust your coach's game plan. Go get 'em hawks!

Ben Kane 11 years, 3 months ago

my co-workers are elated to be rid of Gillespie here in KY...Too bad I think but I gave up defending awhile ago as it was clear that my points were falling on deaf ears.

regardless...it's almost game time. Let's get it on!

RockChalk!

optichawk 11 years, 3 months ago

OU looked strong. I think Gillispie is head coach material that should do well somewhere, but I thought Norm Roberts would have St. Johns back to competitive too so what do I know? Would love to have NR back with the Hawks, heck he and BG back with Self again might be cool.

cffighter86 11 years, 3 months ago

I think Gilepsie would fit in at OK St. I still think he deserves one more year over at UK. I mean how do you fire a guy after TWO seasons? Stupid if you ask me. Especially since he got the reigns when it was left in shambles on Sampson

NH_JHawk 11 years, 3 months ago

Time for revenge. Rock chalk Jayhawk!

FairgroveJayhawk 11 years, 3 months ago

what's up with collins' high tape and blue shoes?

Ben Kane 11 years, 3 months ago

we should be up 10 by right now...

we got this! we are not afraid!

optichawk 11 years, 3 months ago

UK Fan on ESPN boards say Leonard Hamilton is the front runner... CWAG, our hope for gaining on UK might improve...

KU has shown less nerves than MSU...we have them thinking and not playing...just need to finish at the rim

Ben Kane 11 years, 3 months ago

brady's having a great game...missed the opening three but since then...

cwag 11 years, 3 months ago

Defense looks good - gotta take better shots and finish.

Ben Kane 11 years, 3 months ago

and he's back just in time to grab a big board

Joe Joseph 11 years, 3 months ago

Cole:

Be Strong With The Ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ed Fox 11 years, 3 months ago

I don't remember Brady throwing down a dunk in his KU career - but I certainly remember him missing one, maybe against Texas?

Ed Fox 11 years, 3 months ago

Cole's shot isn't falling tonight - could be interesting.

Brian Powell 11 years, 3 months ago

Nice start!

If we could just finish around the basket, we'd be up another 6 pts. I think our guys want it a lot more!

Brian Powell 11 years, 3 months ago

Banner - Brady's had one other at least. Check Youtube..

Eric Hammond 11 years, 3 months ago

Cole, will you please freaking SLAM the Gd damn ball. Stop pssy footing that crap up. Act like your 7 freaking foot tall.

Joe Joseph 11 years, 3 months ago

...and there goes the HD feed. Effin storm.

Dan Harris 11 years, 3 months ago

5 missed layups! WTF! can't keep missing the bunnies but were still up 5.

Brian Powell 11 years, 3 months ago

We need to keep wining the foul stat. That will really hurt MSU in the long run...

Now put some distance between us!

Ed Fox 11 years, 3 months ago

Ok - can we at least all agree that this is Brady's first 2-dunk game?

optichawk 11 years, 3 months ago

2 Dunks in one game!!!!!!!!! NIce Brady!!

Brian Powell 11 years, 3 months ago

LOL yes, I think it's his first 2-dunk HALF for that matter :P

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

We're up by ten. It is at this point that Ratso Izzo commits to violence.

Eric Hammond 11 years, 3 months ago

There you go boys! Keep playing tough defense, and get Brady some freaking confidence back in his shot.

NH_JHawk 11 years, 3 months ago

Morningstar coming back to life? Let's hope so...

Dan Harris 11 years, 3 months ago

Brady for the Jama rooooooskiii! Come on Hawks I want you to break their freaking necks!

lance1jhawk 11 years, 3 months ago

NH_Jhawk... txrockchalk.... Tonight we ride! Saddle up boys and break out the rocks glasses!

cwag 11 years, 3 months ago

If we're gonna zone, we need to get those boards....

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

Have you guys still not figured out that Brady is the best leaper on our team except for maybe Tyshawn?

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

MSU shooting 28% from trey and we're +1 on rebounds. This the recipe for all six of their losses this season.

NH_JHawk 11 years, 3 months ago

lance - get your scotchguard on. it's revenge time!

FairgroveJayhawk 11 years, 3 months ago

Cole makes such a huge impact. Excellent job of coaching by Self.

BCRavenJHawkfan 11 years, 3 months ago

jaybate,

Is that when he is wearing his Red Ball Jets or Chuck Taylor Converse Classics?

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

Really this is the entire key to our chances. I said earlier today that one key was holding their trey percentage below 38 and staying even with them on the boards. Do this and we cannot lose.

BCRavenJHawkfan 11 years, 3 months ago

Why, why, why do we have guys try to split those double teams with the dribble?

FairgroveJayhawk 11 years, 3 months ago

i'm pretty sure taylor left his brain in Larence.

lance1jhawk 11 years, 3 months ago

Wow we looked lost on that last offensive possesion... good time out coach.

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

BCRavenJHawkfan,

You really don't get it do you? No one else on the team has a better one step vertical than Brady.

Joe Joseph 11 years, 3 months ago

Terrible blocking foul on Reed. What utter B/S!

optichawk 11 years, 3 months ago

KU Leads at half!! (should be up by double digits)

Theutus 11 years, 3 months ago

Aldrich is freakin money on the jumpers.......

optichawk 11 years, 3 months ago

Does it have to be indisputable evidence to overturn?

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

KU's defense is wearing down. Their hands are hanging low and they are not out on the three stripe. Watch our lead vanish. Self has to substitute now or go zone. He should go zone and buy some minutes.

FairgroveJayhawk 11 years, 3 months ago

it's looking better than the first game. man i need a 5 gallon bucket of wine

optichawk 11 years, 3 months ago

JB, you are actually serious about Brady's vertical? That means about half of the hawks couldn't jump over a Tonganoxie phone book (kidding). I'm impressed with him all year, especially that job he did on Abrams in the Texas game.

cwag 11 years, 3 months ago

Keys to the game (any game)

Hit free throws Rebound Impose Your Will ! ! ! !

frompekka2sasha 11 years, 3 months ago

We have missed about 6-7 bunnies. We seriously should have a much larger lead at this point but I'll take it. Taylor looks pretty bad so far and Tyrel is scaring me as usual. Morningstar has really impressed thus far.

BCRavenJHawkfan 11 years, 3 months ago

Opti,

I would have bet my home town of Atchison has the smallest phonebook.

lance1jhawk 11 years, 3 months ago

Jesse- How is the KU crowd? its really tough to tell anything on TV. I think they are enhancing the the sneaker squeak to drown out the crowd noise ;)

Lone_salina_kufan 11 years, 3 months ago

Cole looks a little tight. Missing some bunnies he usually makes. I'll take a lead at half. 20 more mins of solid play and we're good

frompekka2sasha 11 years, 3 months ago

One more thing. Suton is one hell of a player and he makes it look pretty effortless. I keep asking myself "why can't we shut this guy down?" but he's just a deceptively good player.

Blake Brown 11 years, 3 months ago

We really dominated the flow of the first half and should be ahead by much more. If we continue with this degree of energy, we win. Play smart. Go Hawks!!

frompekka2sasha 11 years, 3 months ago

Nice analysis of the 1st half by CBS. They said absolutely NOTHING about the game. ESPN is annoying but at least they'll give their opinion- right or wrong.

jayhawkboogeyman 11 years, 3 months ago

we gotta keep swarming the ball on defense without leaving the backdoor slash wide open. other guys getting involved on offense. morrises and cole gotta go up stronger - no lay ups off the glass, dunk the damn ball or go to the line trying. good offense boards. we look tougher. sherron has made a couple sloppy passes, but 10 points on 5 shots is great. i like our chances. rock chalk in the second half and we should hold on.

optichawk 11 years, 3 months ago

Watching UNC, I get it that thay have some nice players and they look like they can blow out anyone but I get the feeling they will get to the FF and then cave. They just don't look like a team that can deal with a punch in the throat, much like they got last year by KU

jayhawkboogeyman 11 years, 3 months ago

yes suton has an unfair advantage. he looks like a big goober or gomer pyle's east european cousin or something. really good players should have to look like athletes it is unreasonable.

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

MSU shoots 25% and we're +3 rebounding, but only up seven.

We can sustain the rebounding edge til about 6-8 minutes to go, then their height advantage and depth will kick in and it will go negative.

The question is: is our defense causing their low trey percentage, or is this MSU's seventh bad trey shooting night of the season?

This is the crucial question. KU did one of the best jobs of guarding the trey stripe I've seen in a long time. But their trey defense was faltering big time the last three minutes.

It is a ten on eight game, maybe 9 on 8 if we discount Ibok's brief showing. Still we are going to get tired down the stretch before they do.

We have two aces in the hole though.

First, Raymar Morgan's mono has reduced him considerably. He just does not look like the same player as the first game.

Second, there is a good chance that Brady and Tyrel will hit some treys the second half; this could off set MSU heating up a little outside.

But what we really need is to keep those mother's off that three point stripe. If we do, we can win this game. But if our tongues start dragging on the trey stripe, this is MSU's game for sure.

Remember how tired you got against MU twice, against Oklahoma and against Texas. Play through the fatigue Jayhawks. Defend the trey stripe like there is no tomorrow...or there won't be.

Jesse Newell 11 years, 3 months ago

The KU crowd is decent. They got pretty loud on that blocking call on Reed. Unfortunately, with this court setup, the fans have to be especially loud to have much of an impact.

kshaw04 11 years, 3 months ago

Gotta love the commentary online from CBS both are favoring KU. We have to continue to be aggressive on defense and rebounding. That Sulon is a gift player. We have our work cut out, but if we make our shots and take care of the ball I think we can win this game. Let's hope Self was inspiring at half time.

kshaw04 11 years, 3 months ago

Does anyone know where we stand with fouls on our players?

frompekka2sasha 11 years, 3 months ago

Only player in the game with 2 fouls is Morris.

Theutus 11 years, 3 months ago

Whats the deal with these ref's not calling any fouls... KU is getting clobbered down low.

Theutus 11 years, 3 months ago

All those no-calls for Kansas, and then they call a ghost foul for Michigan St. Thats sad.

optichawk 11 years, 3 months ago

My boy is a KU Band member, he says we are 50/50 with Sparty fan. That's saying a bunch since E Lansing is quite a bit closer to Indy

Eric Hammond 11 years, 3 months ago

I'm sorry, but our bigs guys are all sissies!!!!! Cole is playing like a scared two year old. Where is his freaking mean streak?

I am sick of his weak ass layups, when he should be flushing everything he touches. WEAK!

imnotpaulpierce 11 years, 3 months ago

Tyshawn Taylor for MWP!

Most Worthless Player

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

Temperature's rising. MSU trey's at 30 percent, but we're +5 on the boards and our overall FG% is at 48%. Needs to get to 50% and we need a trey bad, while we need them to miss another couple treys to stifle this come back.

frompekka2sasha 11 years, 3 months ago

We need to play a zone defense. Suton is going to keep leaking out to the perimeter and Cole simply can't play that game.

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

Guard the three. Guard the three. Guard the three!!!

kshaw04 11 years, 3 months ago

Please tell me that is not a foul on KU

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

Now could be the time to show the diamond and two, if KU has it. Just to break up MSU's rhythm. Also could be a great time for Little. Time to take it inside to Cole.

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

MSU now up to 36% from trey. If they get above 38% its curtains for the Hawks.

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

Buying Sherron some rest with Tyrel. Tried it first half and it cost them half their lead. Now they don't have a lead to give.

Theutus 11 years, 3 months ago

What is the deal with Cole not dunking.... He needs to sack up.

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

But Sherron is not exhausted. Not yet.

kshaw04 11 years, 3 months ago

What is up with that play by aldrich. Why is he not taking it to Suton. Stuff the damn ball down his throat...don't pass it to MSU!

optichawk 11 years, 3 months ago

Cole has one kink in his armor...throwing it to the wrong team. But like you guys say, dunk the dang thing and be done with it...Suton doesn't want his fourth

frompekka2sasha 11 years, 3 months ago

Sherron has reserves. No need to worry about him getting tired. If we stop Suton from shooting the 3 than I like our chances. Hell let's just drive at him and get that 4th foul. That would be curtains for MSU.

ku98 11 years, 3 months ago

At times, Cole reminds me of Eric Chenowith in that he lacks the strength to go up and slam it hard over the defender. He is way better than Chenowith ever was, but man he needs to get stronger.

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

MSU may be cracking. All of the pressure KU put up with in the B12 maybe paying off. They came off the floor with their chins up and out, like they are tired, but not fearing the big green meanies anymore.

brooksmd 11 years, 3 months ago

Yea CBS. Switching back to a blowout instead of sticking with the KU game. Back to the computer. At least they have a decent stream.

frompekka2sasha 11 years, 3 months ago

I used to think the Morris twins got jobbed on fouls but Reed is getting the bad end of the calls tonight. WTF?

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

We're not staying up and under them out on the trey. Get back to Self Defense.

kshaw04 11 years, 3 months ago

Now that is being tenacious Morris. Now we just need to get the ball in the basket and get a fourth foul on Suton.

BCRavenJHawkfan 11 years, 3 months ago

Jaybate is right, MSU pushing this game to WWF.

frompekka2sasha 11 years, 3 months ago

We'll be going to the line soon. That could determine the outcome.

Theutus 11 years, 3 months ago

Shouldn't that have been a Tech on St.? That guy shoved morris after the play was over.....

kshaw04 11 years, 3 months ago

Jaybate what was that ....Guard the three!

Theutus 11 years, 3 months ago

Collins with a terrible shot, and then Morris taking a shot he has no business taking.... It's like they aren't even trying to run an offense at this point.....

wischalk 11 years, 3 months ago

I just want Tyshawn OUT of the game. He brings nothing but TOs lately and is SCARED to shoot a set shot. I am disappointed in the staff for keeping him in the game. If you are willing to put up with that many embarrassing turnovers you may as well get some rebounding, slashing, scoring and playmaking out of it... in the form of Releford. Appleton. Hell... anyone. Sorry, Ty.

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

MSU treys to 38.5%. Until it falls we're gonners; this is now exactly the profile of how MSU wins.

kshaw04 11 years, 3 months ago

On that last rebound opportunity it looked like Cole was jogging while the MSU player was sprinting to get the ball from him. Hope he isn't dragging. He has to suck it up and take it to them. It is time to show aggressiveness. Dig deep my man.

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

None of the complaints about Sherron, or Tyshawn, or anyone else matters at all. They're not guarding the trey any more. Izzo put in a bunch of shuffles to make the perimeter defenders start running a lot more this half. They're too tired to guard the trey. Ratso is good. Ratso is very good.

kshaw04 11 years, 3 months ago

Give morris some credit. Cole looks wiped out he is barely moving and he is not going after the offensive rebounds.

Theutus 11 years, 3 months ago

Where the hell is our offense at? We look like a pickup team on a backyard court... As if "plays" don't exist.... Self needs to step up and get them back on track mentally.

Eric Hammond 11 years, 3 months ago

GET TYSHAWN AND BRADY out of the game! Bring in Tyrel and Little. At least they aren't scared to shoot the ball.

cwag 11 years, 3 months ago

We're o.k. Collins is back in. Time for a run.

Ed Fox 11 years, 3 months ago

These guys need to man-up tonight. For a team with nothing to lose, they're sure playing really, really afraid. I love this group of freshman, but there isn't a "tough" one in the bunch really. No Collins or Chalmers attitudes in the group - and now Brady and Tyrel are so afraid of taking a dang shot. It's sickening to watch their lack of aggressiveness and courage threatening to cost them a game they clearly should win.

Brian Powell 11 years, 3 months ago

we started losing the game when we started settling for jumpers. Keep attacking and taking it inside, and we'll get easier buckets and FTs.

Dale Koch 11 years, 3 months ago

I like it better when we are the one coming from behind.

BCRavenJHawkfan 11 years, 3 months ago

Are Morningstar and Reed so psyched out that they don't shoot at all?

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

MSUs trey percentage back down to 33%. Its close. If we can guard the trey for a couple more minutes Sherron and Cole can give us some separation and then just put it in Sherron's hands for the last three minutes and let them foul him.

kshaw04 11 years, 3 months ago

It is about time we got a good defensive stop. Now let's capitalize!

kshaw04 11 years, 3 months ago

Yes reed no more driving to the basket. Just let it loose and make some threes.

frompekka2sasha 11 years, 3 months ago

I'm really disappointed with Little. I thought he would be a factor.

Dan Harris 11 years, 3 months ago

The refs are letting them get away with Big 10 thug ball now. If that continues the only thing that will save us is for us to start hitting our 3's which we are not doing now, CRAP! Come on Hawks the game is still there for us, pull your heads out!!!

fansincewilt 11 years, 3 months ago

Hey Sheraton, there are some rivals not on the coasts.

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

Keep'em off the trey stripe and chip away and we win. I love it. Classic Self. Playing take what they give us. Getting down in the dirt with Izzo.

ku98 11 years, 3 months ago

Up by 3 with 4 minutes to play.... We can do it.

CaBisonFan 11 years, 3 months ago

Did Collins play football at KU for a while? The announcer just mentioned football.

Theutus 11 years, 3 months ago

WHAT THE HELL. Michigan St. is getting away with all sorts of crap, and Kansas picks up an over-the-back after Michigan did it like 3 times before that.

optichawk 11 years, 3 months ago

MSU has 8 more shots equivelant of 8 more possessions than us

BCRavenJHawkfan 11 years, 3 months ago

I swear MSU should buy lottery tickets. That's how the luck runs.

oregonjhawk 11 years, 3 months ago

How did we not get that rebound!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

Guard the three. Challenge, but concede the two.

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

Self's only big coaching mistake this game has been not adjusting to MSU's very simple double team on Collins when he tries to use a Cole pick.

fansincewilt 11 years, 3 months ago

come on Collins, you have to get us there.

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

Sherron is fair...he threw one away for Theutus also. LOL!!

kshaw04 11 years, 3 months ago

There is another version of failing to guard the three.

Theutus 11 years, 3 months ago

Wow... If ever there was a knick-nack craptastic foul call..... These officials have been absolutely terrible....

optichawk 11 years, 3 months ago

Remember all those chippies missed in the 1st half? Sure would like to have those back!

imnotpaulpierce 11 years, 3 months ago

Story of the season... Kansas choking it away late. Unreal.

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

Who wants to be the man?! Only a trey will do!!!!!!!!!!

Big time. Big time. Big time. Just to survive.

kshaw04 11 years, 3 months ago

Those missed layups at the beginning of the game would really help now. I can't believe we are down three...almost like deja vu...hope we pull this out!

Brian Powell 11 years, 3 months ago

well if our Offense didn't leave the gym in the 2nd half, maybe we'd be ahead right now :(

kshaw04 11 years, 3 months ago

We just threw this away. I can't believe we can get this close. We need a miss and one awsome job of blocking out on the rebound.

CaBisonFan 11 years, 3 months ago

MSU muscle is the story of this game. Their muscle players are getting away with over-the-back and other sins...as is usually the case when a team has more inside strength. It's not fair...but officials seem to allow it. Collins will have to do something big if KU advances.

Theutus 11 years, 3 months ago

Well, it was a good run.... But you can't expect to win with 20 turnovers.

brooksmd 11 years, 3 months ago

Thanks Hawks for a great season. It was fun and looking forward to next year.

optichawk 11 years, 3 months ago

So much for the longest active winning streak in the tourney

frompekka2sasha 11 years, 3 months ago

Great season and more than I expected. Congrats to our Jayhawks and I'm sorry to see the run end...

osagefire209 11 years, 3 months ago

KANSAS JAYHAWKS HAD A HELL OF A SEASON WITH WHAT THEY HAD TO WORK WITH. KEEP YOUR HEADS UP JAYHAWK NATION WE WILL BE BACK NEXT SEASON. I AM NOT BLAMING THIS LOSE ON ANY ONE IT WAS A TEAM EFFORT. ROCK CHALK KU

cwag 11 years, 3 months ago

Several silver linings -

We WAY overachieved this year.

As bitter as this one was, it might convince Sherron (probably not) and Cole (likely) to return.

Steve Tramba 11 years, 3 months ago

Thanks for a good run fellas. Let's get 6 in a row & then 2/3 nationally :) Hopefully Sherron & Cole return - we'll be the team to beat!

KURocksChalk 11 years, 3 months ago

Some of our young guys seemed like they were scared to shoot the ball. Anybody else think the officiating got one-sided the second half?

Jack Wilson 11 years, 3 months ago

IF BRADY MORNINGSTAR SETS FOOT ON THE COURT NEXT YEAR I AM GOING TO SLIT MY WRISTS. WHAT A WASTE OF A PLAYER. I RARELY QUESTION COACH BUT MAN, PUT IN LITTLE. SOMETHING. BRADY COMPLETELY LOST IT. IT WAS LIKE 4 ON 5 ON THE OFFENSIVE END. DRIBBLE OFF THE FOOT. BAD SHOT. AIR BALL. HIS SHOT WAS ROTATING SIDEWAYS. OH, IS THIS IN ALL CAPS? GOOD.

Eric Hammond 11 years, 3 months ago

Way to go boys, great season. Lets go ahead recruit, get rid of our Div III players (Brady and Tyrel) and lets prepare for next season.

BCRavenJHawkfan 11 years, 3 months ago

Hey, a good game. Just could not overcome the weaknesses that have been there all year. Very surprised there was no supporting cast, especially in the second half. Hope these guys now have a sense of how close they were and what it takes to advance at this level.

Theutus 11 years, 3 months ago

Aside from the fact that the officials were absolutely awful, not calling anything against Michigan... Kansas played like crap.

Thats the problem with teams who spend all season running everything through a single player... It makes it easy for legit teams in the tournament to put tons of pressure on that one individual, and then we have no-one with the experience/balls to take over and run with it....

Maybe next year we'll go back to team basketball.

Pretty solid effort from Collins tonight regardless... Even with his turnovers, he was playing pretty well. A couple bone-head moves, but nothing too horrible.... Aldrich looked like he forgot how to dunk... And why not leave Little in the game, he was fighting for rebounds like a mad man.

NH_JHawk 11 years, 3 months ago

Great season Jayhawks! Don't feel too bad because this group definitely exceeded expectations this year. With the addition of Withey, Johnson, Robinson, and Stephenson?, I feel a national championship contender coming on next year. Rock Chalk Jayhawk....BCS bowling ahead.

frompekka2sasha 11 years, 3 months ago

Yeah osage. Nothing against Morningstar or Reed but this was not a good matchup for either of them. We lacked the athleticism to hold off the Spartans. We didn't get burned by Suton in the 2nd half mostly due to foul trouble but it still wasn't enough.

I still love Sherron and hope there aren't negative comments. He put his heart and soul into everything this year and damn near willed up to the Elite 8. Thank you for your hard work!!

cklarock 11 years, 3 months ago

Thank you for a great season, Jayhawks. All but one team this season will feel the sting of loss, and you've taken us on a great ride.

You're Big 12 Champions, and our team.

It's always a great time to be a Jayhawk.

Thanks, and we'll see (most of) you next year.

lance1jhawk 11 years, 3 months ago

Crap... See you all at Memorial Stadium on Aug. 30th.

We had a really great run for a bunch of freshmen a sophomore and a a junior.

Take this loss for what it is... a learning a experienece.

If someone would have told me we would be in the elite eight with this team at the begining of the year I would have called them a liar.

This team over achievied and as Jayhawks we should all be proud and hold our heads up high.

Brian Powell 11 years, 3 months ago

yes, i think we didn't get a bunch of calls in the 2nd half... but what lost us the game is not showing up AT ALL on the offensive end in the 2nd half.

Turnover, standing around, settling for a contested jumper late in the shot clock.

maybe youth and the pressure of the big game? but we looked great in the first half - everyone was involved. 2nd half? nothin. Offense looked like a pickup team at the rec center.

slight other reason we lost the 2nd half: defensive rebounds. How many times did they get 5 chances to score in one possession??

Great run, great season, and I hope everyone comes back for more next year. I just really wanted to beat MSUck tonight :(

Hays_Hawk 11 years, 3 months ago

Well sh#@...what can you say. Hell of a season guys. Like NH_JHawk said, the youth got to them. It was an issue all year and came into play here.

I'll admit, I was a little frustrated with a couple of Collins' decisions but hey, the guy got us here. You can't be upset with him and I also hope no one leaves any negative feedback.

Tell you what guys, I've never been more excited about the upcoming year though. Let's get a few of these guys in the gym and come back next year with a dominant powerhouse of a team.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk!!!

NYhawk13 11 years, 3 months ago

Ya know what? great year boys! no one expected us to make it this far and grant it we should have won but we gave then a HELL of a game. Made me sick when they kept saying "national champs went dowm" BLAH BLAH. WE LOST EVERYBODY. This is not the nat'l champ team. Next year...we will get Cole back and should get Collins (if they are smart). Top 3...gonna be fun :) GREAT RUN! Bill u are my hero. Can u adopt me????

CaBisonFan 11 years, 3 months ago

Great season KU. You ran into a prototypical Big Ten team full of muscle players. You never get breaks when the thugs inside can beat up on your go-to guy inside. Aldrich was mugged several times. The officials allowed a Big Ten game to break out. Aldrich needed another dominant inside partner.

Your team is talented and should be proud. How about a game with Kansas in Fargo someday? We'd come to Kansas twice if you'd come to us once.

fansincewilt 11 years, 3 months ago

I can't complain. We just have to develop a supporting cast. Collins and Aldrich did a great job. We have to wait another season of development for the others to catch up. It would be very unfair to lay the blame on anyone, especially Collins. Without him, we are not even in this game. I can't imagine his disappointment. We just had too many leave all at once. Self did an absolute great job with this team. They were the most inexperienced team left in the tourney, probably one of the most inexperienced in the tourney. Without one starter coming back, this was great. I hope the bullies success against Louisville.

kennethst 11 years, 3 months ago

I agree with most of you.....even Theutus. He's right-you can't expect to win games with nearly 20 turnovers. The ones at the end of the first half really killed them-got MSU back much closer.

Also really needed others to step up besides Cole and Sherron-for the most part they did not.

I still think both reasons above are mainly due to youth. Next year they will all be so much better.

See you guys in about months!

guscornhawk 11 years, 3 months ago

Does Gus Johnson get a boner everytime he say's "knock off the defending NC" ? Idiot. How the heck does SC get player of the game? Sure he had 20 but here is the real stats...3 asst. 6 TO's, 0 steals...this is our point guard? Aldrich had more assist!

B60 11 years, 3 months ago

Great Season! You just can't get by with only 2 guys that will shoot. The other 3 have to take the shot when it is there. Disappointing 2nd half.

brooksmd 11 years, 3 months ago

I know it's hard to stomach the thought of Fizzou being there, but it's still a possible Big 12 Final. And then we can pull for OU.

optichawk 11 years, 3 months ago

Didn't finish against Sparty (much like in Columbia) but went down fighting and I had a great time watching these young-uns grow up before our eyes. I'm wearing my Big 12 Championship shirt proudly!

Mike Ardis 11 years, 3 months ago

Not a big surprise, when teams hold KU under 70 they have a great shot at winning, even when they only shoot 39% from the field.

Blake Brown 11 years, 3 months ago

Sherron makes a terrible pass, takes the fake and fouls a jump shooter for a 3 point play and misses the front end of a one and one and we lose. He might have a reason to return.

It`s been a wonderful season. 27-8 and a Big Xll title is more than most of us expected. We lead most of this game and lose it in the last 10 minutes to mediocre play. I probably have enough recored games to carry me through the summer. Hate to see it end, but....

Rock Chalk!!

Ed Fox 11 years, 3 months ago

Hey - HighEliteMajor, why wait until next year?

This was a fun year and next year could be special. Yes, KU should've won this game, but we didn't. Some would say that we shouldn't have won last year's NC, but we did. In both games, missed freethrows and offensive tentativeness cost a team a game. We had a lot of great luck last year - we didn't get such good luck this year, that's the way it goes. And anyone who blames a particular player or coach for tonight - go away. This was a team loss, along with bad luck and some bad bounces. KU wins that game 7/10 nights most likely.

CaBisonFan 11 years, 3 months ago

This was a typical Izzo team. Tremendous athleticism...but moreso...very, very physical. There were too many for Aldrich to overcome.

Collins is the real deal. I agree with one writer here. No way that Kansas would have made it this far without him.

optichawk 11 years, 3 months ago

...And, I can't wait to pound Mizzou on the football field at Arrowhead. That Reesing to Meyer pass is forever burned in my memory, almost like Mario's Miracle.

ROCK CHALK!!

Larry Smith 11 years, 3 months ago

If we dont let Suton get off for 20 pts we win. It was like we were afraid to guard him close and make him put it on the floor. None of our bigs were really in foul trouble, so we should have challenged him more. Still, it was a good year. Better than expected by most. We will get them all next year. Good job Hawks, way to make us proud!

frompekka2sasha 11 years, 3 months ago

guscornhawk- you know absolutely nothing about this team with your comments. Sherron has to do it all or we'll get a lot worse than a 5 pt. loss. Assists are determined by how many baskets the other players make and no one was stepping up. We just lack one more reliable scorer on this team.

Lay off Sherron because he should receive nothing but support from Jayhawk fans. Geez... I'm really upset by your comment about Sherron.

guscornhawk 11 years, 3 months ago

As a comment I read a few weeks ago, "I'd rather be suprised than dissapointed" Despite the fact we had multiple chances to win this game, I can't believe we made it to the sweet 16. This is a team most bloggers didn't think would even make the tourney early on. I was pleasently supprised to see these guys do as well as they did. Congrats on a fine season and for the love of God, next year, tell the twins to stop shooting the 3!!!! NC in 10"!!!!!! ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK!!!!!!!!!

kshaw04 11 years, 3 months ago

It was a great season and only wets our appetite for a very exciting team and season next year. This will be a good lesson for the team.

Thetus, I agree with the team needing to spread the responsibility for scoring. I suspect there will be some serious work on building lower body strength for Aldrich. I can't believe he would consider leaving, as he has so much room for improvement and could be a monster next year!

Collins can only get wiser and hopefully the rest will make significant strides. We have a great recruiting class coming in, and I suspect there will be some serious motivation to work hard to keep starting positions. If some move to the bench, what a bench we will have! We are going to be deep again.

Looking forward to next year. Thanks for a great run this year!

Ed Fox 11 years, 3 months ago

Oh, and sorry, I will not be rooting for an all-Big XII Final. I'll root like heck for OU, but as far as I'm concerned, MU could lose by 100 tomorrow and I couldn't be happier.

FlaHawk 11 years, 3 months ago

Great season! KU needed a great game to win and played a very good game, but Cole and Sherron had way to many TOs (suspect >10 together). MSU needed to play an average game to win and they did (shot under 40% from 2FG, under 30% from 3FG, but over 90% from FT).. Lucas was the difference as with it got to chunch time, he crunched Sherron on BOTH ends of court.

KU did not really lose the game so much as MSU took it away from them with experience and clutch FT shooting!

Maybe next year Lance will be a scorer as Cole and Sheron can not do it by themselves. Frosh will be physically stronger, but don't see a real scorer in the bunch. Thus, optomistic w/Lance ;-)!

ku98 11 years, 3 months ago

Sherron is going to declare for the NBA draft. His stock is about as high as it will get. Next year, with a better cast, he won't need to score as much. His stats will dip a bit, and he will be a senior... NBA teams don't draft a lot of seniors. Right now, I would say he is a late 1st round. Take the 3-year guaranteed contract, Sherron. Thanks for everything you did at KU.

cwag 11 years, 3 months ago

Well, it's been another fun season chatting with you all. Thanks to Jesse and al the KU Sports staffers. And don't forget, the Lady Jayhawks are still alive, and the baseball team looks good. It's great to be a Jayhawk.

guscornhawk 11 years, 3 months ago

frompekka2sasha - My comments was, why did he get POG. If you would read my comment, you would know this. I travel to games, I follow this team, I bleed KU. I didn't say anything about his worth to this team, which I believe is invaluable. So before you get your panties in a wad, try reading the comments before making dumb assumptions.

Lone_salina_kufan 11 years, 3 months ago

Welp, that was a good season. All you can EXPECT from your team, (Expect being the operative word) is that they play to their seed. We did that. To me, the only real disapointment this year is it didn't seem the Morris twins progressed a whole lot. When they show up with energy and effort, they could really be monsters! But it just seems that it's really hard to get that out of them consistently. I hope the offseason provides a great time for improvement. Those guys are wayy to talented. If they don't make a considerable jump next season, then I'll worry about them.

Overall though, you have to be pleased with the year. And by the way, Sherron was maybe one of the best players in the tournament. Gotta love that kid

kennethst 11 years, 3 months ago

PS-Don't feel too badly everyone......I kind of doubt this team would have been able to beat teams like Louisville,UNC,UConn.....you never know but I doubt it. Just too young. But next year we will be one (if not the)best team. Still....this was a great year!!

PPS-I fully expect MSU to get beat badly by Louisville.

fansincewilt 11 years, 3 months ago

The weight Collins carried in this game was way beyond what is normal. He took us to this point of enjoyment. Aldrich was a monster most of the time. He was really good tonight. There comes a time when the weight gets to be too much. You could see that tonight. The guys will hit the weight room and blow by these teams next year. We still have the greatest coach in the nation. He was rebuilding a team this year but found these guys wanted more than to just be in a rebuilding mode. I enjoyed watching them go much beyond everyone's expectations. I'm looking forward to next season with another Big 12 championship and maybe a final four trip. Could be.

jhokfan 11 years, 3 months ago

Great season hawks!

I wish I could have seen the game but Forest Gump got promoted to president in charge of sports programming at CBS and thought Carolina blowing out Gonzaga was a more compelling story line.

Anyways, the young guys got some good experience and I can't complain about a conference title, sweet 16 appearance and being ranked. I'm ready for football.

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

Amazing. KU shot 25% from trey. They held MSU to 33% and were +4 on the boards; that was why we had any chance at all to win. We could have won with either a few less TOs, or a few more treys. Frankly, we played a great game. Everything went as it had to go for us to have a chance against these guys. It was our kind of game the last three minutes. And Sherron just couldn't get it done, when the crunch came. He made some great, great plays to deliver us to the point of him taking control of the game, but he made a key TO and missed a the front end of a 1 and 1; then he just couldn't shake loose.

Bigger picture?

Their bench beat our bench 25-7. It goes to show how much experience and muscle mean in a high stakes defensive slugfest.

The Morris Twins were just too young to deliver any offense against the size and experience of MSU. Kieff rebounded well, but was 1 of 8 for FGA's and Marcus was 1 of 4.

Tyshawn, though he made some boo boos, at least got 8 the hard way and made some pressure FTs.

Brady had to have gotten ten for us to win on a night when the Morris Twins could not break double figures together and he went cold from trey and made a travelling violation that was quite unlike him. Brady did not come up big, though his defense was exceptional for most of the game.

Bottom line: MSU is a terrific ugly team and they had a ton to do with our lousy trey shooting. Yeah, we could have beaten them, but...

Here's how good they are. They beat us with Morgan on one lung doing zip. They beat us on one of their cold shooting nights. They beat us when we outrebounded them by +4. They beat us on a night when Kalin Lucas goes 5-15 and Sherron went 9-13. They beat us on a night when they only shot 40% from the field.

They are too big, and too strong, and their perimeter defenders just wore down and hounded all of our perimeter players out of their shooting strokes. They harrassed us on defense and caused us to cough up a bunch of TOs.

And Ratso Izzo was slightly the better coach tonight.

Ratso came up with the great double team of Sherron off the Cole screen. MSU did it again, and again, and again, and that was why Sherron, even though he was having a good night, could not take over the game. He could never do his shake and bake from the top of the circle as he had done the entire season to opponents because of that double screen. And Self could not diagram an answer to that double team. Someone had to be open. But Self and Sherron could not exploit the double team, instead, Sherron's down the middle game was ended. Self countered by taking Sherron off point and KU's offense, while it held its own, was never able to really go for the kill the way it does when Sherron is on point and able to penetrate down the middle.

Ratso Izzo, I hate you.

But you're good. You're very good.

Mike Crosbie 11 years, 3 months ago

Like most, was hoping, but didn't expect an elite eight. (as you can see by my picks at the end of the post) Obviously, the youth and inexperience did us in at the end, which explains why Brady and Reed lit up the three's all year, then disappeared in the tourny.

Reload for next year and lookout !!!

Oh, another bowl victory this fall anyone??? Nice having football to look forward to for a change !!

Rock Chalk forever !!!

ku_jayhawk09 11 years, 3 months ago

Gotta love the effort from the guys this year. They make me proud to be a Jayhawk!! All my friends told me this that we were gonna suck and they went and proved everybody wrong. Now, i know this may be early but what will Sherron and Cole do? I know a lot of people disagree but i really feel they will both be back. When you look at what KU will have next year I think it is a no brainier. Especially if we land Lance. I think Sherron will be back because he won't want to go out missing a free throw that could have brought us within 1 (not that i blame him, i would have missed that too) and i think Cole will be back because he just loves Kansas basketball and loves playing here. What's your say on it.

Dan Harris 11 years, 3 months ago

As dissappointed as I am with the outcome, what a year for our young boys who grew into men tonight. We never backed down from their thug ball we just ran out of gas at the end. Great year Hawks and I can,t wait until next year. Lance we need you and SC and Cole to come back for a championship next year. Thanks for a great run, you made all of Hawk nation proud! RCJH!!

frompekka2sasha 11 years, 3 months ago

guscorn- okay then who is POG for KU if you are so smart?

BelieveInSelf 11 years, 3 months ago

Do you know when the basketball players will be flying home? I'd like to go see them and thank them for a great season!! please let me know! Also, will there be a Hawk Talk this week?

EnviroHawk7 11 years, 3 months ago

It was a good season. Even if we did win, Louisville would of been just a little treat, for them. 2009 - 2010?

kennethst 11 years, 3 months ago

Jbate always gets it right!

A scholar and a gentleman.....

See you next year, Jaybate......thanks for all your comments.

Seriously.....they are always spot-on.

thx

lovemyhawks 11 years, 3 months ago

i personally thought this was a really ugly game on both sides. sad thing is i do not believe the best team won..... we had the advantage almost the entire game and even a 60-55 lead and choked at the end. i realize the sweet 16 is more than we could have possibly dreamed of this year and i'm thrilled with the season and thought i could be content going this far but then when we came SO CLOSE and had it in the palm of our hands, i wanted more and thought we were the team to advance to the elite 8. wow, what a season and i love these guys and bill self. it's been fun and i never want it to end but it was a good ride. i think the turnovers killed us tonite plus our offense just never really clicked. collins had the hot hand awhile but wasn't shooting as much and cole missed several i thought he should have had. still, i love my hawks and am proud of the special year and look forward to next year. will this bring cole and sherron back now??? what do you think??

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

kennethst,

MSU would win it all this year were Morgan healthy, but probably can't with him still rebounding from mono. As it is, I reckon they will beat the Ville, because MSU is likely to rebound from the lousy trey shooting game they had tonight. MSU has excellent transition to defense which is all you need to stay in the game with Louisville's press. They've got the guards to handle Louisville's pressure. And Lucas is going to have a great game against Louisville. To be blunt, MSU was saving it for Louisville. They were not amped up for KU. It should be a very good game though. Let's put it this way: if Ratso Izzo figures out a defensive wrinkle for Louisville's top scorer the way he did with Sherron, bye-bye Rick. Again, MSU won tonight against KU, while playing a very mediocre game; that is the sign of a very, very good team.

jayhawkboogeyman 11 years, 3 months ago

Our clock management is still really poor; The Morris twins are still not there yet for rebounding/scoring toughness; Sherron, for all the magic he does, still forces some bad plays, although I can't fault him since Morningstar and Reed will NOT handle the ball in clutch situations; Brady has to be confident and drill that spot 3 with 4 seconds on the shot clock - he was looking to reset to Collins and had no idea what the clock situation was I guess; Marcus and Markieff have NO business taking 23-footers only 10 seconds into the shot clock; we need another wing player who can get in the lane - aka not Brady or Tyrel. Other than that, we did alright. Sherron choked at the free throw line again. I said I wouldn't be disappointed if we lost, but that was before we had a 5 point lead with 4 minutes to play or whatever. Now I remember what disappointment is like. I'm sure now that the kids on this team have felt it too, they will come out with more determination to hang some banners in the AFH. How cool is it, though, that we attend/support/live and die with a school where a conference title and a Sweet 16 is a disappointing year.

kennethst 11 years, 3 months ago

Jaybate,

Interesting viewpoint......maybe you are right-I guess I was looking at how Louisville destroyed U of A......Arizona is not too good, though.

That Izzo iz a rate......izn't he???? But yes......a very good rat! Who is KU's starting five(assumong SH and CA stay)....and who else will plat significantly?

Dan Harris 11 years, 3 months ago

Lance- Jayhawk nation is calling you to come to Larrytown!

David Lara 11 years, 3 months ago

Good lord, we forgot what works for us, COLE FREAKIN' ALDRICH!!! Once Suton got his 3rd foul, we decided it was time to give Cole a break... FOR THE REST OF THE GAME!!! Bill, you gotta go at the only inside offensive threat they have when he has 3 fouls. And I think something happened to Sherron on that play when both he and morris came up hobbling; He didn't have the step he usually does after that point. But the big story here was ignoring Cole. Not getting it inside meant trying to create individually. Besides Sherron, who must have tweaked something, we are not that team. Don't stop getting it inside for easy buckets, fouls, free throws, kick out threes... jeez.... Great year tho guys, got some great ball to look forward to!! Way to go

frompekka2sasha 11 years, 3 months ago

Dezmon Briscoe suspended indefinitely. More bad news on a night that we almost pulled off an unbelievable victory. Hope it's nothing serious.

Dan Harris 11 years, 3 months ago

Kennethst- rate? plat? Scotch must be kicking in lol

kennethst 11 years, 3 months ago

Yes.....someone else made a good point......no need for Morris Twins to be taking 3 pointers.....not this year anyway. I'm not sure why that happenned a couple of times.

I like Brady Morningstar-but you could see he did not have enough -still...I think he has a role to play. Certainly not a starter.

Well, guys.....we don't have our beloved KU anymore......but take solace-we can still cheer for UCONN tomorrow. Screw Missouri.....I have no need our desire to pull for the Big 12. MU losing will be the closest thing to KU winning.....GO UCONN!!

kennethst 11 years, 3 months ago

Jayhawkdan42-

No Scotch yet-I just can't type. I meant "rat" and "play".

But yes.....Scotch it is for me.....will help take the sting out of losing.

Probably Dewars or Johnny Walker......both work for me.

lovemyhawks 11 years, 3 months ago

what on earth is up with briscoe????

agree with many of you.......... i also remember that football pass almost as much as mario's 3!! and i'm REAL ready for the football season.

it HAS been a great season and more than we ever should have or could have expected even though with a 60-55 lead, i wanted more.....

no, i do NOT want mizzou to win a national championship. ou would be okay but NOT the tigers. i have cheered all the way for the big 12 but i would not want to see mu win it all, especially now with my hawks heading home....

i do not think msu can stand up to louisville at all if they play like they did tonite.

will the boys be back?? who knows but i think next year will be a good one.

this year has been great....... we have to be proud of this young team!!

NYhawk13 11 years, 3 months ago

I saw a post (Maybe ku98?) but even if Collins declares for the draft I fully expect Taylor to be a STUD next year! Tonight...not so much...but with Cole back and Collins being the only one gone I am SOOOOO excited for next yeat.

vmwskywalk 11 years, 3 months ago

Had you told me at the beginning of the season that we would go 27-8, win the Big 12 regular season and make it to the sweet 16, I'd have been a happy b@stard. How can you complain? I feel we are on the cusp of something very special. We have the best coach in all of college basketball. We've got another talent infusion coming next year... what more can you ask?

Proud to be a HAWK!

guscornhawk 11 years, 3 months ago

frompekka2sasha - First of all, I don't claim to be a genius but simply a fan giving an opinion, second, my vote? Well I'd put my vote in for the big fella. 17 points, 14 rebounds, 4 blocks. SC did an amazing job with the double teams, but made too many bad decisions down the stretch. I am in no way blaming him, but the weight of having to make a play because neither Brady or Tyrel would shoot it, Tyshawn couldn't shoot it and Cole was being mauled underneath had to be overwhelming. I'm positive I would have done no better! IF, and thats a big if, SC does come back, we have to develop some shooters to compliment his drives to the hoop. Once again, this team has gone FAR beyond many peoples, including my own, expectations. I'm proud of them for where they have come from and am excited about what they will be next year. RCJ!!

David Lara 11 years, 3 months ago

One more thing, Lupe Izzo=devil incarnate! Anyone else get creeped the hell out every time she was staring right at you as soon as the camera cut to her, with her unflappable novacaine smile and steely look in her eye as if to say, "I know something the rest of you mortals don't.... ahahahahahaha!" What a nutcase

jaybate 11 years, 3 months ago

kennethst,

And thank you for your kind words and for your contributions here, too. I've really enjoyed this year of posting more than any other. And it was not because I posted too much. :-) It was because this has been the most informative bunch I've ever had the pleasure to share a board and a season with. So few here know nothing. So many so much.

Rock chalk and, Coach Self, you were stellar and your team was among the most courageous and over achieving of any I've seen at KU. Frankly, there was more drama in this season than last for me. I really feared for the physical well-being of our young players during the mid part of the season. I wasn't sure they could grow into men under all the beatings. I worried it might stunt their development. But a very hard nosed, but good natured coach held them together until they could hold themselves together. Cole began the season with a somewhat soft body and the outlook of an excited colt. By the of the game tonight, he was a hardened veteran who knows he needs that lower body strength you talked about. The Morris Twins never really got untracked over the season, though it was their composite big that allowed us to be a serious threat this year. Their bodies, especially Marcus', began to fill out into men. By the middle of next season I reckon they are going to harden up and bulk out and this baptism of fire this season will pay huge dividends. I hope everyone stays, including Quintrel, and gets to throw their weight around next year. I hope Stephenson comes. I hope Brady and Tyrel keep improving and know they will. I hope Mario Little gets a fresh start and a healthy year next year. And most of all, I hope Sherron gets drafted high this year, if he needs to for his son, and stays if he doesn't.

Rock chalk Jayhawk!

The Legacy continues.

kufan89 11 years, 3 months ago

Great run! i'm proud to be a Jayhawk always. Love love love Sherron=)

jayhawkboogeyman 11 years, 3 months ago

  1. On his facebook, Dez Briscoe claims to be "living like Larry," which I assume means Larry Johnson, so whatever coach suspended him for, it can't be good.
  2. Starting 5 next year: Sherron, Tyshawn, Stevenson/Little, Aldrich, Marcus Top reserves: johnson, travis releford (if the kid could defend, his offense is sooooooo much better than Morningstar), Withey, Quintrell/Markeiff/Other incoming big man Brady and Tyrel's days as huge contributors at Kansas are, thankfully, done. They gave it all they had this year, and all they had is simply not good enough to get this team back to the top.

Jason Pearce 11 years, 3 months ago

Wow! Sherron still manages to get 20 despite a nasty Spartan defense focused squarely on him. We saw Cole's monster dunks, jumpers and boards. We saw Tyshawn get some tough points. We saw Brady dunk... Twice! We saw Tyrel hit a 3 during a scoring drought. We saw a KU team play with guts and heart tonight and all season long! Thanks to an exciting season better than many before it, better than most other programs. And thanks to all the fans who enjoyed this season and resisted/ignored excessive comments about next year.

2008-09 Kansas Jayhawks: Big 12 Champs and a Sweet 16. Great ride!

jayhawkboogeyman 11 years, 3 months ago

Not related to the game, but it has come up as news today....

Dezmon Briscoe I$ T@kIn 3 L'$ 2 D@ H3@d... (L)iviN (L)iK3 (L)@rRy Th3n I'M D3@d

I was snooping around trying to find out some details and found his facebook page. I'm not sure what the hell that means, but it doesn't sound like something coach would approve of. I'm off to toss and turn all night ..

Scott Smetana 11 years, 3 months ago

I was a bit scared to log on tonight after the game... but relieved to see you all feel the same as me. GOOD year Hawks! Definitely could have ended better, definitely could have been worse. MSU was a good team too, not great. Too bad the 'supporting cast' didn't come through in the end, but they gave us several wins this year. I was hoping Marcus would have a 'breakout' game, but bummed to see him on the bench alot.

Now on to the debate who stays.

I rooted for Mizzery against the used car salesman (Calipari), but they cannot EVER make to the final 4. GO Huskies and Sooners!!!!

Tony Bandle 11 years, 3 months ago

Random Thoughts:

1] Losing the last game of the season always hurts, but it came a lot later than most of us thought so that feels good.

2] The good news is most if not all of this team will be back next year.

3] The better news is that POTENTIALLY, the four new guys [ and I am counting Lance] are better than all but two guys on the current roster!!

4] Thanks to the Hawks for making this one of the most unique, exciting and exasperating KU seasons in my memory.

5] Thanks to you guys, Jaybate, KUShaw, 100, Lebowski, drgnslyr, KUStrrong, LAJayhawk, ralster and all you other regular posters. This was the first time I ever did this and it has been a real pleasure. I have actually put together a mythical cast for a movie based on your characters from your postings, but I'll save that for next year

{ My apologies, Lewbowski..Jeff Bridges was yours...name association just too strong!!]

MY Season Ending Haiku

Lights out, clock off, dark

Hardwood waits for next year's shoes

Forever our champs.

milwaukeeJAYHAWK 11 years, 3 months ago

Good year, Jayhawks! I worried we wouldn't make it to the tourney with our sub-par start with losses to UMass and Syracuse. But to come SO CLOSE to the Elite 8 is a great achievement.

I got married last year and converted my wife (a Texan) into a huge KU fan right before the '08 title. She was disappointed in the end of the season this year, but I told her that hey, last year doesn't happen every year! haha.

Can't wait for next year!

theno1kufan 11 years, 3 months ago

If Sherron and Cole come back next year we will go undefeated and win the national championship......... if he is really the leader that we say he is he will stay and bring it home........ we showed great heart tonight but it wasnt enough brady and tyrell arent enough if we want to win the NC...... and last but not least GO UCONN!!!!!!!!!!!

kennethst 11 years, 3 months ago

Jhawkdan42-you still out there?......just poured my 2nd Scotch.....and the sting of the loss is fading ever so slightly.....but I may need a few more before night's end......Dawn will bring a new era of KU Basketball....and I'm already looking forward to it(or is that the Johnny Walker Black talking......I don't know......who cares anyway???).

KU FOREVER!!!!!

yates33333 11 years, 3 months ago

Great season, hate to lose. Thanks Jaybate, wise comments. I hope MU or OU win it all, but expect to see Louisville as national champions. Sure hope it isn't UNC.

jayhawkansas 11 years, 3 months ago

unbelieveable are some of the negative comments posted on here about tyrel and brady. did they play their best these last few games? of course not. but NEVER during the course of the whole season did i ever have to question their effort. calling these guys "division III" or a "waste of a player" is absolutely ridiculous. it is obvious that these two guys give everything they have for ku basketball, and i for one have enjoyed the heck out of watching them play and develop this year. i thank ALL our players for their dedication in making ku basketball what it is today...how spoiled we are all to be called JAYHAWKS

kennethst 11 years, 3 months ago

Jayhawkansas......boy did you nail and I could NOT agree more.......I think so many people lose sight of the fact that all these players are just kids......doing their best-and doing pretty darn good.

I agree......Reed and Morningstar gave their all. Yes....it was not enough....but it was their best and it's all we had. They will still have roles next year too-although I doubt either will get too much playing time.

Anybody criticizing these two kids should be ashamed...we are lucky to have all our players!

I'm sucking down scotch(on my 3rd) to take out the sting of the loss. I feel better....but really better when I think of next year.

KU FOREVER!!!

Lance Hobson 11 years, 3 months ago

Geez, we need more than just "fillers" for our players other than Collins and Aldrich. These guys need to make shots and get some rebounds. We were all holding our breath when Cole and Sherron were out of the game because the rest of the players couldn't get it done. I hope one or both are back next year because the rest of the guys seem pretty average.

Morningstar was terrible in the second half. He had two nice steals in the first half but also had an airball that missed by about four feet. What was that about?

stravinsky 11 years, 3 months ago

Wow. Intramural quality refs.

And morningstar has been terrible since non-con. You're surprised? I was shocked he had those two dunks, to be honest.

Martin Rosenblum 11 years, 3 months ago

This may be a little heavy ..

There's a difference in losing a game and getting beat.

We lost the game. MSU didn't beat us.

We basically lost the control that we've seen recently.

I haven't checked the stats yet. But I recall a disparity in our rebounds on O and D.

Turnovers seemed to happen when we tried to move with the ball before it came to us.

Collins seemed to be perspiring much more than in the past, to me. Slippery hands?

Maybe that raised floor was subliminally distracting to our new guys.

Cole didn't seem to be running the floor at his usual pace and didn't get set quickly enough for some plays to come to him.

Was Sherron wearing new shoes? I don't remember those blue ones.(jokularity!)

In closing, "there's always next year" wasn't even a thought in our heads at the end of last season. We were so proud and understood that we wouldn't be back to a championship game this year. But who would have thought that we would have won the regular season big 12 title and been a 3 seed in the NCAA tournament? There IS next year and it'll be awesome!

kvskubball 11 years, 3 months ago

Well, my headline for the game would be...Foul Game!

Izzo thug-balled KU youngsters. Suton should have fouled out in the first half. He was draped all over Cole, all game long.

Great effort by KU. This is a game we could have easily won, but our weaknesses were glaring under the Sweet 16 spotlights. Younglings! Two on five doesn't win many games. Younglings! Cole and Sheron more than held their own, but the rest of the team were no-shows on the offensive end for most of the second half. Younglings! I don't fault the effort, just the lack of production in crunch time.

I feel that this was a really successful year for KU basketball. All of the players were thrown into the fire of being starters, when only Collins had any significant pt at the D1 level prior to this year. The hard work by our players got us a lot further than I thought we would go this year, so I'm very proud to be a Hawk fan! Thanks to all of the players and coaches for what was a very positively surprisingly successful year.

kvskubball 11 years, 3 months ago

Now it is time to do the math to see how we get 14/15 possible players to fit into the scholarship limit!

1 My guess is that Sheron will go pro. 2 Will Cole's father's unemployment lead him to declare? I hope not, because if he comes back next year, he will be a POY candidate for sure. Everyone else will be back unless someone decides to leave because of lack of PT. The only player that I think might consider leaving would be Quintrell, though, if he sticks around, he could get serious PT by his junior year! If I was coach, hah, hah, I'd redshirt him next year. 3 Withey? He supposedly has stud written all over him. I'm looking forward to having Cole and Jeff manning the post next year. That has WOW written all over it. 4 Little will be better next year. He'll hopefully be healthy and more comfortable playing the 3 which is his more natural position. 5 and 6 The twins improved a lot this year and next year they will prove that the best thing about freshmen is they become sophomores. 7 Tyshawn will mature into a very good PG. He'll just need to be a little bit more ready to shoot and create. 8 TReleford will work his way into the rotation as he gains strength and if he finds a shot. He's already a good penetrator, though he's sometimes unsure what to do with the ball. 9 Brady will still play, he is a good defender, but next year I think he'll be able to play the two a lot more than be an under-sized three. I think people who question his ability don't understand that he, just like Little, was playing 'up' a position and should be able to slide back down to being a natural 2. 10 Tyrel will find his position the most tenous of any returning player. He gives great effort and has shown a nack for hitting timely although somewhat rare threes. Coach will challenge him to improve his defense, his handle and movement on the offensive end. 11 QT showed he can play when given PT, but he was much more raw than Little and basically fighting Little for PT. As noted above, I think he would be a redshirt candidate. 12 Tyrone also has shown the ability to contribute, especially on the defensive end. I think he probably helps make everyone better in practice. He has the toughest position on the team. His PT will be very limited unless he blossoms over the summer, but I think he will want to be a part of the team, in what may be a more successful season next year.

kvskubball 11 years, 3 months ago

Wow, the 3000 word limit doesn't always let you finish an idea....

The rest of the story...

Newcomers and possible newcomer: 13 Thomas Robinson - more help for the 4 spot will sharpen up whoever starts at the four. Again, if Cole returns, the Big slots (The 4 and 5 spots) will be see a real dogfight for PT. 14 Elijah Johnson will increase the athleticism of the team and be a good combo guard like a young Chalmers. I don't know that his game will compare to Mario's, but his role will probably be to share time at the 1 and 2 spots. 15 Lance Stephenson would be a top 10 recruit to replace a possibly departing Sheron.

So anyway you slice it, looks like we will be over the limit. If Sheron goes pro and Brady gives up his scholarship (I'm not saying he should, only repeating that some have said that his dad is willing to pay his way). That would bring us down to 13. Is the scholarship limit 12 or 13? Well our KU 'money' says that in Bill we trust. I'm sure he'll work it out! Looking forward to another group of over-achievers next year!

Rock Chalk!

Michael Auchard 11 years, 3 months ago

Yo, Nick Krug! Once again, a great job you've done with your camera. Some people (myself included) hate on these boards occasionally. I don't think I've ever said how good of a job I think you do on a daily basis, though.

Lance Hobson 11 years, 3 months ago

We could use another rebounder, even with Cole back. The twins aren't getting it done, but hopefully they will improve dramatically. If not I see Robinson getting the minutes they got this year, along with Withey.

It'd be great to get Collins and Aldrich back, it could happen.

kubasketball0809 11 years, 3 months ago

It doesnt matter we are gunna smash next year without a doubt... good job hawks.. see you next year

Jack Wilson 11 years, 3 months ago

Predictions: Cole and Sherron both go pro.

Starting lineup on January 1, 2010 - G: Taylor G: Johnson G: Stephenson F: Marcus Morris F: Markieff Morris; in rotation - Withey, Little, Morningstar, Robinson, Releford.

Obvious weakness is lack of quality guard off the bench, but I really think that if Coach Self had it to do over again, he would have just given Releford the 3 spot. We may not have won the Big 12 regular season title, and would probably have lost a couple more games, but we would have had a more helpful and developed 3 man for the tournaments .. Big 12 and NCAA.

Tranfers: Q. Thomas (he could play somewhere else, try Temple, Sienna, Penn St.). Possibly Releford if the writing on the wall is negative. I hope not. (he could be the man at an MVC school).

Record: 20-11. 2nd in Big 12; #6 seed; Elite Eight run.

Matt1958 11 years, 3 months ago

I'm still damn proud of this team. Big 12 Champs! No one can take that away. Cole, Sherron, I know you'll do what's best for you, and the Jayhawk nation will support you. ROCK CHALK!

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