Sunday, February 15, 2009

Clemente sorry for ‘T’ — sort of

Kansas University’s Sherron Collins, right, drives against Kansas State’s Denis Clemente during their meeting in Manhattan. The former rivals have reunited at the Charlotte Bobcats’ summer league camp.

Kansas University’s Sherron Collins, right, drives against Kansas State’s Denis Clemente during their meeting in Manhattan. The former rivals have reunited at the Charlotte Bobcats’ summer league camp.


KU snags win in Manhattan

After trailing for much of the first half, the Jayhawks pulled ahead of the Wildcats and held on to achieve an 11-point victory in Manhattan.

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2009 KU-KSU Feb. 14

— Denis Clemente was sorry that he hurt his team with a technical foul midway through the second half.

He wasn’t apologetic, though, for elbowing Kansas University’s Brady Morningstar to pick up the ‘T.’

“He elbowed me in my stomach, and I’m not going to let nobody bump me in my house,” the Kansas State guard said after KU’s 85-74 victory Saturday. “This is my house. So I punched him back.”

Did he deserve the technical?

“Yeah, I deserved it, but I got my respect,” Clemente said. “You’re in my house. You ain’t going to do that to me. You ain’t bumping me.”

Though he might have gotten respect, he also killed the momentum for the Wildcats during a key stretch in the second half.

KSU was down just 53-51 with 13:52 left when a foul was whistled on Morningstar.

Clemente’s technical followed, and KU’s Sherron Collins hit two free throws before the Jayhawks received the ball.

“He reacted in a wrong way on that possession,” KSU coach Frank Martin said, “and, unfortunately, he paid, and we paid.”

On the ensuing possession, Tyrel Reed drained a three from the left side, and suddenly the Jayhawks’ lead was back to seven.

After a missed three from KSU’s Jacob Pullen, a trey from Collins gave the Jayhawks an 8-0 run and a 61-51 lead.

“I think that’s the game right there,” Clemente said.

The junior guard apologized to his teammates in the locker room for his technical.

He later recalled that his coach told him on the bench, “Next time, you can’t do stupid (stuff) like that.”

Clemente also was involved in a similar incident late.

After shooting a free throw with 31 seconds left, video replays showed Clemente took a swing and made contact with Reed’s head while the KU guard was boxing him out. No foul was called on the play.

Clemente seemed distant at the postgame news conference, often staring off in the distance. At one point, while a teammate was answering a question, he softly banged his head twice on the table in front of him.

“I want to win,” Clemente said. “When you look at the scoreboard and see that we lose, I got a little bit crazy. I just wanted to win, you know? That’s how I feel.”


Matt Bowers 11 years, 8 months ago

Clemente might have some unresolved anger issues. Usually sports help to relieve these issues, unless you view your opponent as the cause. It does work both ways. We have a player that made contact with a ref while angry. If you go back and watch the tape, Brady got that dude good in the stomach! More importantly, Brady took him out of the game mentally. Great work Brady and Reed! That was a great run we went on.

Rock Chalk

jayhawker_97 11 years, 8 months ago

Clamente is clearly a coward, cow turd, kinda like little fecal that won't clear. complete idiot that still thinks he's on top of the world after scoring 40pts. KU players are sooo coool, soooo classy and freakin' rock!! that would've happened if the game were at AFH or in Africa, anyway. Clamente is just too cocky, that's all. but, nevertheless, that's not the reason why KU won.


Ben Kane 11 years, 8 months ago

His attitude sours my love and respect for Roberto Clemente...Stop tarnishing his name douche. I hope the Big12 suspends him.

Hats off to both Brady and Tyrel for keeping their cool and not letting him get to them..

KSUUUCKKKKKKK!!! Time to upend the second greatest @ conf opp streak. Lets take it to them for another 25 years.


Michael Bratisax 11 years, 8 months ago

'“Yeah, I deserved it, but I got my respect,”

Doesn't seem to care that he might have cost his team the game, buy I think the officials were losing control of the game and were very inconsistent. I'm sure Martin will sit him down for a long talk.

John Mueller 11 years, 8 months ago

Who was the guy who said it wasn't a rivalry yesterday?

Yeah, you're right. It's not a rivalry, no one cares about the outcome of the game on either side.......

Come on. This series has been lop sided the last 10 + years, but it still matters to both sides.

You must be a youngster, because when I was in high school, the outcome of this game was a 50/50.

I met Ted Owens at the Orange Bowl last year and really came away thinking he was a terrific man and showed a lot of class and genuine love for KU by supporting the team at the Orange Bowl and being surrounded by alot of his former players. very cool to see.

But, I am curious about his all time record vs K-State? To be sure, it was a rivalry.

Not all Ted's fault either. Might have had something to do with a guy named Hartman.

Great win for the Hawks!

Sure wish someone would tell Taylor that speed is an asset unless you use it to run off the court during an offensive possession. Let's try to use the speed to create transition offense with a steal and slow down a tad when we are trying to generate a basket on an offensive possession.

Dear Mr. Clemente, Maybe you should ponder what kind of coaching you would have gotten from Mr. Knight after that intentional T? If defending your manhood is more important to you than your team, you'll never win, bud.

If you care about winning, you need to learn to care about your team.

I miss Bob Knight.

John Strayer 11 years, 8 months ago

How does elbowing someone in the kidneys get your respect back? Respect from who? Yourself? Where does he think he is, some turf war on the streets?

Weird soul, man.

John Mueller 11 years, 8 months ago

correction on my math, make it 20+ years......

but the point remains. when Bill Snyder teams were spanking us on the gridiron, I wanted to win even more, not less

hirschtodd 11 years, 8 months ago

How can you all trash this kid? Are you crazy? ITS ABOUT RESPECT IN HIS HOUSE! Can you really argue that point? Don't you understand how important that is? It will be be especially important because they will probably get a home game there in the NIT. He is smart enought to realize this team will NOT be playing in the big boy tournament and will be stuck with the JV. Kudos to you Mr. Clemente. You are a true man of vision. I hope you make it to MSG in March for the NIT finals. Now run along little boy.

aha 11 years, 8 months ago

wow. what an ass. not that i'm surprised.

cre017 11 years, 8 months ago

Clemente this is not the Jets v. Knights in the streets. This is KU v. K-State and bumping and elbowing is a part of basketball, perhaps this was not taught to you in the streets of PR. I noticed during the game that you are related to perhaps one of the greatest athletes of all time from PR. Roberto played with a quiet confidence, class, and represented his country well at all times. You have the potential to be a great guard in this league but if you keep throwing "shanks" at guys that are just playing the game the right way then you will be nothing but part of a team that KU swept in 2009. Mariaaaaaa?

Dirk Medema 11 years, 8 months ago

He wasn't defending his manhood, he was defending his boyhood. Making it into a university issue, tho I have no fondness for kstate is silly, because we have at least one player that continues to show a lack of maturity - whether T'd up (or arrested) or not. Hopefully, they can learn from the leadership of Cole, Sherron, Brady, and Tyrel.

Rock Chalk

Jonathan Andrews 11 years, 8 months ago

So, let me get this straight, fellow Jayhawks:

Denis Clemente is soulless punk, but Marcus (who elbowed a referee), and Markieff (who "busted a cap" in a 45yo mother) are angels?


Patrickulating 11 years, 8 months ago

Clemente is just taking on the persona of K-State's interim couch Frank Martin.

Machawk 11 years, 8 months ago


I started following KU in Ted Owen's first season as the head coach, 1964-65. It was a roller coaster experience in terms of some great years followed by sub-par years, then a few great years etc. Ironically, Ted's contract always seemed to come up during a great year, and then we suffered a few painful years before another good recruiting class came to start the cycle all over again.

Ted Owens overall record against K-State during his coaching tenure was an unacceptable 22-24. This breaks down to 11-8 at Allen, 6-13 at Ahearn, and 5-3 in KC. The prevailing analysis was that Owens could sure recruit but would get out-coached by K-State teams often with less talent. This was very frustrating to KU fans especially in the middle of KSU country ( central and western Kansas) where we took a lot crap from the cow cuddlers. Once Monte Johnson had the courage to do what needed to be done, ( can Owens and bring in Larry Brown ) KU has become a consistent program that wins almost all its home games and is much more successful on the road than ever before. Winning on the road translates into conference championships. Having said all of that, Ted Owens was a very nice guy and that's would made it it hard to let him go as sentiment ran about 50/50 on that topic.

The state of affairs is so much better now in terms of coaching, recruiting, and national exposure. One really appreciates what we have now if you lived through the ups and downs of KU basketball in the Owens era. Thank you, Monte Johnson!

FairgroveJayhawk 11 years, 8 months ago

clemente.. total retard. likely in prison without basketball to save him, likely to be in prison after college hoops.

keep throwing elbows genius.

cklarock 11 years, 8 months ago

Clemente didn't get his "respect," because Brady was laughing at his dumb asz after getting him T-ed up. And had the refs seen the punch on Reed, Clemente might have been tossed and suspended.

His heart is on fire to compete, but his brain isn't always checking in, and he got hustled by a better pool-shark in Morningstar.

I'd understand better if Clemente was a freshman, but as a Junior, you're supposed to know better. Still, any competitor can go over a line in the heat of battle, but the difference is that had Clemente been a KU player, Bill would have sat his butt to teach him a lesson.

The difference between HCBS and Martin? When Marcus was acting like a fool, bill plunked him down on the bench and kept him there even as we blew a lead to our biggest rival.

NewtonJHawk 11 years, 8 months ago

Man I love the Hawks!!!!

Just booked my flight to Detroit for the Final 4. Anyone want to join old NewtonJHawk?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

TopekaWestHawkFan 11 years, 8 months ago

Did anyone else see Clemente crying on the bench as the game winded down?

bringheatwavewheat 11 years, 8 months ago

Clemente played great the 1st half, but lost his composure in the 2nd- rushed alot of the offense, got frustrated and lost it. Obvious.

If you as a fan expect the Hawks to keep their cool as play with class and are proud when they do, it would serve you well as a fan to do the same and not take this overboard. If Brady can laugh it off, so can you. Just a thought. Rock Chalk.

KU1979 11 years, 8 months ago

Hey crooner, take off your purple glasses and watch the tape on Marcus and the ref again. Marcus didn't do anything but get ran into. His mistake was not apologizing to the ref for not getting out of his way, I guess. Self said he did nothing intentional after watching the tape, and should have put him back in the game. To compare that to Clemente taking intentional swings at players is ridiculous. Clemente is a punk, and his coach is not helping. Martin should have sat him for at least a bit, but nope. That's teaching the kid a lesson!

Sean Rodger 11 years, 8 months ago

It's barely a rivalry when you look at the ALL TIME series records. KU is up what now? 177-96? And in football - even though Snyder had that decade run with wins - ksu would have to beat KU for 35 straight years just to get it to .500.

MU is our biggest out of state rival, and ksu is our biggest in-state rival. Its still like beating up on a purple headed step child though.

Kstate? Please. Be a real college.

cre017 11 years, 8 months ago

man, sorry...Jets and the Sharks..I sound like a Wildcat! Go Hawks!

jayhawkintexas 11 years, 8 months ago

I saw Clemente crying on the bench. His emotions are what keeps him from being a really gifted player. The kid can definitely shoot but then he becomes a head case if things aren't going his way. KSU has this inferiority complex (oh what the heck--they really ARE inferior) and their players feel it. They want to beat us so badly they can taste it.

kumax77 11 years, 8 months ago

Definitely a strong comeback effort by the 'hawks- awesome. It really looked like they were going to go along with the spanking and then... the 'hawks settled down and went to work.

I would agree with the comment about Self vs Martin and what they'll tolerate from their players. Well said. Self will bench to make a point. Martin will ignore it and in the end allows individual player's lack of discipline to hurt his team. I am not impressed with his (Martin's) approach or coaching ability.

Also, very much agree with the assessment of the Ted Owen's years. I was a KU student from '72- '77 and a fan prior to that. The Owen's years were some of the most frustrating I can remember. Nice guy, but we didn't really have a consistently championship- caliber program till Larry Brown, Roy Williams and beyond. Wasn't around in the Phog Allen era- but with TV exposure and winning teams, Kansas became a NAMEPLATE program. It's great to follow this team and be a part of the Jayhawk tradition. RCJHGKU!

ncc 11 years, 8 months ago

In comparison, I'd just like to say that Sherron Collins is a classy player. He and Clemente are both juniors, yet Sherron always acts with class. He beats himself up, not the opponent, when he makes mistakes. He is also the first one to calm his fellow players down during an altercation. I have witnessed during several games that he makes an effort to help opponents on to their feet after a play and talks to opponents during the game in a positive way. Clemente could learn from Sherron on how to "get respect". You get respect from other teams and fans by acting with class and representing your school with class. You don't gain respect by losing your cool and costing your team the game.

Jeff Hargate 11 years, 8 months ago

Jayhawkintexas, I could not agree with you more. If Clemente could keep his cool he could be an awesome player. That kid has the fastest release of any shooter I have seen in a long time. Too bad Gottlieb was not calling the game or he would have said he was acting like a "little punk" as well.

Sparko 11 years, 8 months ago

Clemente started the whole process by shoving his forearm in Brady's neck to create space for a dribble. The foul on Morningstar was a joke--then Clemente tried to get a cheap shot in to gild the lily.

The Owens' era was geared to small tournaments. As good as UCLA was, they would never have been so dominant in a 64 team (65 really) tournament. Big men ruled the show completely, and Wooden got two of the best in the middle of the Owen's run. Kansas was the best team during the 1966-67 time frame, and the silly out-of-bounds call negating one of the greatest shots in NCAA should not diminish Ted Owens' legacy--a different call and Maybe we have Ted Owens Court. Still, I like the fact that Kansas has begun to get over some of the shams of the past and is forward-looking.

jrbass04 11 years, 8 months ago

I watched the postgame interview and I'm pretty sure Clemente said that he you're not going to punk, not bump, me in my own house. Anyone else watch that and get the same impression? It was hard with the accent.

Larry Smith 11 years, 8 months ago


John Wooden was a sham. The biggest cheat in the history of college basketball. Its easy to win when every player is bought and payed for.

Sam Gilbert. Google it.

100 11 years, 8 months ago

A note about Ted Owens. He was a great coach at KU, with about the same noteworthy record as Hartman. All due credit to him, but he was also part of the reason we weren't on the national radar with Ted like were with other coaches. And Hartman did good things, but our shared "above average" basketball was enough to put out pretty good teams, but never the best. Just fun games. But this was for a period of under ten years (total decent games). Kstate for a very short time in the 50s had a couple of decent teams (keep in mind you had to only win 2 games in the NCAA in the early 50s to make the championship game. In 1951 they made it and did get beat, but it was their best year by far (no final four back then because tourney started with 8 teams).

Other than that (besides last years OK ksu team that had a phenomenal player in Beasley and a their 88 team that had Henson), to be very blunt, KSU has had historically poor teams.

And the KU fans had more class back then too (we had chants but all the posterboard name calling was left to Missouri fans). In short, and this isn't meant to sound elitest -- KU fans haven't really cared about KSU one way or another. They have really been more like ISU to us.

The alltime record against them is interesting too. We've of course won twice as many, but that's not really the point. Most of our losses against them are by a couple points. That's why old KSU fans see this as a rivalry. Because they did pull out a squeaker against us every couple years (during their best 10 years which were our worst nationally even though we picked up some Big 8 crowns).

And this is not to take anything from Ted. A decent KU team in '74 made the final four. And the best team nationally in the 60's (the 66 team) was knocked off in the Elite 8, still a controversial loss (Jo Jo was in on the shot).

So the truth is KSU's fanbase has really been non existent since 88 until Huggins came. It will be couple tough years for them, as we've seen their fanbase doesn't do well with 15-15 seasons. After this year it's looking like the truth about Frank Martin will come out. He's not a very good coach. He scares the kids no doubt. And he's grabbed a couple of decent recruits thanks to Huggins.

One thing is for sure -- the more we treat it like the old days (it is), the better off we are. Don't worry about their namecalling. We have bigger fish to fry. Congrats to KSU on last season.

But now that it's over, we as fans need to get back to our roots. Class. Play the game. Win. Worry about (plan for) the big dogs: UNC, Duke, UCLA.

Don't give that school we played yesterday another thought. Just another game in Big 12 play.

Rock Chalk

Michael Auchard 11 years, 8 months ago

Man, Clemente comes off like a dumb thug in this interview. He looks smarter on TV than these comments.

bad_dog 11 years, 8 months ago

Clemente's attitude reminds me a bit of Bill Walker. Hopefully Clemente won't pull Walker's "towel trick".

Anybody catch the shot of Bill Snyder with his first two fingers touching his nostrils? He wasn't mining the "booger vault" at the time, but I couldn't help but laugh, especially on the heels of the Pinkle Pickin shot during the Big Monday game. If you haven't seen it, there's a Youtube video out there of KSU's former Head BB coach Tom Asbury in action on the bench while an assistant at Alabama.

chalmers4thetie 11 years, 8 months ago

Clemente is TRASH! a wanna be Sherron Collins

Dillon Davis 11 years, 8 months ago

These comments simply show how selfish Clemente is as a player. He would rather keep his "pride" and i dont know how he has any pride being a wildcat, but he would rather keep his pride than help his team win. Fine with me but if i was his teammate i would get all over his butt for acting that way. And you'd think that losing the game would b more important than you getting pushed around a little bit but i guess not. Brady didnt even do anything he was simply playing good defense like he always does and clemente didnt like it. And my ksu friends at school said they would pick clemente over collins any day. I said WHAT! that piece of trash clemente. Wel they can keep him and i hope they're happy b/c he basically just cost them the game yesterday. We were up only 2 when the T was called and then in less than a minute up 10. so thank you Denis Clemente

KEITHMILES05 11 years, 8 months ago

Clemente denigrates the KSU program. His selfish and bitter attitude on national TV is a disgrace. Hopefully Frank Martin will beat the little twit.

James Scott 11 years, 8 months ago

Do you think any disciplinary action will come to Clemente for punching Reed in the side of the face?...

KEITHMILES05 11 years, 8 months ago

Clemente was obvious in his hit on Reed. If the Big12 does nothing shows what a wuss bunch of administrators they are.

BTW, Clemente was kicked off the Miami team. His behavior gives you reason why.

KUFool 11 years, 8 months ago

Clemente's shot to the head wasn't the only beating Reed had to endure. Check out the push in the back by Brown that Tyrel takes as the ball goes out of bounds at the 11:20 mark of the 2nd half.

Rick Arnoldy 11 years, 8 months ago

Crooner, do you have A-D-D? Both Marcus and Markieff caught a lot of flack on these boards for those incidents.

Clarence Haynes 11 years, 8 months ago

The thing is, if Morningstar has to guard him tough the next time around, he will do so and not back down be it in Clemente's house or otherwise.

drum1984 11 years, 8 months ago

What a d-bag. Those comments are just embarrassing. Clemente has a nice shot but can't keep his feelings from getting hurt long enough not to implode, screwing his team. But I guess he is at K-State so....

Max Ledom 11 years, 8 months ago

what trash. he is a pussy! In my house? haha wow trash

Dick Murdock 11 years, 8 months ago

Did everyone see the interview with Clemente? I honestly thought to myself, "This kid is actually in college?" I can understand how he might of gotten in, but really staying more than one semester? What's with that?

yates33333 11 years, 8 months ago

If Morningstar punched Clemente in the stomach it was a phantom shot. I, too, reran the tape several times. Never did see any shot by Morningstar. The world has all kinds of liars and fools. What kind is this kid?

keith horinek 11 years, 8 months ago

We don't need this kind of "trash" in the state much less in the big 12. we should nip this now before K-State and the big 12 get a bad reputation. Stop bringing in questionable players with this kind of mentality. I do believe this bad behavior is coming directly from HC Martin. Or at least it is not being discouraged by Martin. Have you ever seen Coach Martin berate his players when they mess up? If looks could kill most of his players would be dead by now. I don't understand why or how they can play for a coach that treats them that way. and now it shows in the way his players play. I see a complete meltdown coming for that BB program if they don't fix the attitude problems.

mdfraz 11 years, 8 months ago

I can see playing for a coach (i.e. Bob Knight) who is known to berate his players IF he's a spectacular coach (which Knight was). I don't condone his behavior, but at least it explains why the players put themselves through it. However, Martin isn't a good coach, and yes, his looks truly could almost kill. I sat behind the KSUck bench at Sprint last spring for their tourney game and there was one point where about 20 people around me were all talking about a blistering look he gave a guy during a timeout.

Martin just looks like a used car salesman to me, and I think he gets by on his connections/recruiting ability (although I wouldn't give him much credit with the seemingly poor human beings he seems to bring like Clemente) more than his coaching ability. If KSUck wants to accept players like him just to improve their win total, that's the real shame. I joke as much as anyone about KSUck being an inferior institution to KU, but sacrificing the image of your team/school to bring in talented thugs wouldn't be my choice. Think of how people view Cincinnati about 10-15 years ago with Huggins. Shady.

Obviously the Morris boys have had their struggles, and I'm still not much of a fan of at least Markieff's attitude. However, I hope/expect Self does exactly what several people have said on here, and if he continues to see poor behavior, he benches kids so they know he won't tolerate it. That's the difference I see.

Clemente is pretty good, but he's a b*tch. Anyone who is more worried about "respect" in his "house" than possibly costing his team the game is more trouble than he's worth IMHO. Similar to the Bryce Brown situation in football. I want good players, but I want good, classy students and citizens. Most of the time that's exactly what we have at KU.

NebraskaJayhawk 11 years, 8 months ago

It's funny to read all of the comments about this incident. Brady did get him in the gut and you are praising him for it, yet trashing Clemente. There's a lot of people that post on this site that are so very biased it's not even funny. If Brady had taken the "gut shot", he would have responded in a similar fashion. Who knows who actually iniated the first foul. It's hard to tell in these situations because they can start at the beginning of the game and just esculate as the game progresses.

Clemente is an excellent basketball player who has a huge upside. Give the guy some credit. I'm not condoning his actions or his rediculous post-game statement, but I'm pretty sure if the roles were reversed we would be trash talking Clemente for a "gut shot". And he is not "trash" as one poster suggested.

I for one am glad to see the rivalry back between our two in-state schools and the fire in which the games are being played with. Great win for KU. Great game for the Morris twins. Keep working, twins.

Jared Grillot 11 years, 8 months ago

I have to disagree... nobody (almost nobody) is arguing that Brady didn't foul him. He did. They got tangled up in each other, and that call always goes against the defender. He got called for it. Look at that play again...there was no dirty play or cheap shot in that entanglement (with the possible exception of Clemente's arm up in Brady's neck, but that didn't look specifically purposeful). There was DEFINITELY a cheap shot after the whistle. The call went his way, and he STILL had to throw a little tantrum that totally negated Brady's foul and swung the entire game the other direction.

And no, I'm pretty sure that if the roles were reversed, we'd all be pretty hacked that Brady had blown the game for us. Why? Because after all those years of Norm Stewart and Quinn Snyder, we know what dirty play looks like and we don't tolerate it. We may be biased towards our own guys, but we don't let them get away with trash.

NebraskaJayhawk 11 years, 8 months ago

All I am saying is that these things happen in the heat of the moment and Clemente is not "trash" because of it. I love to hate K-State as much as anyone else. But they are a good school (despite the opinion of some people on this site), and I root for them against other opponents (which I will not do for Mizzou).

KEITHMILES05 11 years, 8 months ago

UPDATE: The Big 12 is looking into the slap/hit on the head of Reed with .31 seconds left in the game by Clemente.

jchawkfan 11 years, 8 months ago

update: The Big 12 is looking into the slap/hit on the head of Reed with .31 seconds left in the game by Clemente.

Good they need to. In my opinion if Martin had even a little bit of class he would discipline Clemente himself. What it should be i don't know maybe at least a no start. Let it be known not only to the team but every other team that he does have control. And I still don't see the so called punch in the gut by Morningstar, I see agressive anticipating defense. Not even in the same category of what Clemente displayed.

jayhawksnumber1 11 years, 8 months ago

Just a couple of thoughts....first lets start by expressing our displeasure with KSHB Sports and Jack Harry over his comments that Brady Morningstar punched and kneed (sp) Clemente in his sportscast on Monday night. I watched the newscast and reran the video Harry used to support his claim. Sorry Jack, but I saw neither a punch to the stomach or a knee to the groin as you claim. Clemente in post game claimed he was "elbowed" which I also did not see. For me it was the last straw with Jack and I will no longer watch KSHB Sports. I doubt that the advertisers on KSHB will notice the loss of two long time viewers but if enough of us stop watching perhaps we can get Jack off the air. If you want to express your feelings to KSHB the number is (816) 753-4141.

bad_dog 11 years, 8 months ago

No, not Jack "The Hack" Harry! He of the "Priest Holmes has a tumor in his neck/spine fame? Say it ain't so!

Lance Hobson 11 years, 8 months ago

There was a time when players gained respect with their play. Elbowing a player and handing them five points is absurd. I'm sure Brady would gladly provide this "respect" for that reward anyday.

Don't think for a minute that Bill Self and the 'Hawks don't know Clemente can be manipulated.

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