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A line of Kansas students painted with letters spelling out "Bowen" cheer during a kickoff after Kansas touchdown against Iowa State during the first quarter on Saturday, Nov. 8, 2014.

A line of Kansas students painted with letters spelling out "Bowen" cheer during a kickoff after Kansas touchdown against Iowa State during the first quarter on Saturday, Nov. 8, 2014. by Nick Krug

From the minute he was named interim head coach of the Kansas University football program, on the same day former KU coach Charlie Weis was fired, Clint Bowen brought something to the program that previous head coaches couldn't — a deep and real connection to Lawrence.

That's not to say that Weis, Turner Gill, Mark Mangino and others did not appreciate Lawrence, enjoy living here or develop some kind of connection with the community. But it never came close to reaching the level that Bowen's has.

As you all know by now, Bowen grew up here. He played football at Lawrence High and KU, has been a Jayhawk for as long as he can remember and, perhaps most importantly, has no desire ever to leave. People know that. They also know that he can coach. And when you combine the two, you get the flood of support you've seen growing for Bowen day-by-day, week-by-week for the past couple of months.

I can't go a day or a place in this town right now without hearing somebody talk to me about Bowen and why he's the right guy for the job. It should be pointed out that most of these people are not qualified to hire a head football coach at a major university, but almost all of them are KU fans and it's those fans who will have a big role in helping KU football return to respectability, Bowen or no Bowen.

Some people just talk about their feelings. Others send emails and write letters or post their thoughts on social media sites. And still more have tried to think of ways to demonstrate their support for Bowen in a larger manner. One such way recently showed up at local bars Six Mile Tavern, in West Lawrence, and Louise's Downtown, on Mass Street.

Near the front of each establishment, hang giant banners that simply read “We Want Clint!” They may only be a couple of banners hanging at a couple of bars in town, but they speak for a lot of people and are merely the latest signs of support for the hometown candidate.

The KU administration is going to conduct a full and thorough search at season's end and it's absolutely the right thing to do. The last two hires went wrong and this one, for half a dozen different reasons, has to go right. So taking their time and making sure they get it right should be commended.

Besides, it's not like KU taking its time makes Bowen any less of a candidate or eliminates the overwhelming amount of support he already has received from the community. If anything, it might actually make that support swell.

Bowen will be in the mix. And he will get a legitimate chance to convince KU, beyond the recent results on the field, why he's the best choice for the job. Until then, don't be surprised if you see more banners like these popping up all over town.

This banner supporting interim KU football coach Clint Bowen recently went up at Six Mile Tavern in West Lawrence.

This banner supporting interim KU football coach Clint Bowen recently went up at Six Mile Tavern in West Lawrence. by Matt Tait

This banner, which shows support for interim KU football coach Clint Bowen, recently went up at Louise's Downtown on Mass Street.

This banner, which shows support for interim KU football coach Clint Bowen, recently went up at Louise's Downtown on Mass Street. by Matt Tait

Comments

Richard Ballard 7 years, 8 months ago

The way I see it?

If Clint Bowen isn't the next head coach?

Then we need another big buck 'Search Committee" to find a new Athletic Director to replace Mr. Zinger.

A mans got to know his limitations.

I have been more excited about KU football then I have been in years since Bowen took over paddling down the rapids these last few games!!!

Go Clint!

Go K.U.!

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 8 months ago

Since minimal information about the coaching search has been made public, we don't actually know where the coaching search is at right now.

Doug Cramer 7 years, 8 months ago

Points Per Game Rankings for 120 Defenses in the FBS System:

  1. 2007 under Bill Young ranked 5
  2. 2008 under Clint Bowen ranked 87
  3. 2009 under Clint Bowen ranked 85
  4. 2010 under Carl Torbush ranked 103
  5. 2011 under Vic Shealy ranked 120
  6. 2012 under Dave Campo ranked 112
  7. 2013 under Clint Bowen ranked 94
  8. 2014 under Clint Bowen ranked 93

Clint Bowen's Defenses at:

  1. 2010 Western Kentucky ranked 99

  2. 2011 North Texas U ranked 88

Has everyone forgotten how FRUSTRATING the 2008 and 2009 seasons were because of Bowen's defenses ?

You have to call a spade a spade. Nothing personal against Bowen here, but you have to call a spade a spade.

You can't hire a guy that hasn't proven himself to permanently lead a power 5 football program. Or...you can't hire a guy just because he grew up in Lawrence and played football at KU.

Again, nothing personal against Bowen. We must move in the direction of becoming competitive again like yesterday. We don't have time to take a chance on an unproven coach and become a third world University sitting in the Mountain West Conference a few years from now, because we can't sell tickets on Saturdays.

We have the opportunity to hire a guy that can get us going in the right direction. These moments are precious, because once the hire is made, that opportunity is gone for another 2-3 years...sometimes longer.

Steve Corder 7 years, 8 months ago

Doug, I understand. I get it. Have you considered that Bowen may be a better head coach than a defensive coordinator? Either way one looks at the present situation there is no denying that the man has lit a fire in this team, and people like it.

Michael Maris 7 years, 8 months ago

Mr. Doug Cramer, you love to display the defensive numbers of 1 season under Bill Young and the numerous numbers since the 2007 season. How about you also display the offensive rankings of those season as well. Because, I'm pretty sure that the Jayhawks Offensive Numbers in 2007 would lead to the impressive defensive numbers as well.

In 2008, where was Aquib Talib? Where was McClinton?

I understand your passion for hiring a qualified Head Coaching candidate.

That's what ALL of us Jayhawk followers want. I can remember vividly how there was a mass majority of Jayhawk fans wanting Turner Gill fired. And, after 2 seasons, they got their wish. They all clamored for a Legitimate Head Football Coach. And, when Charlie Weis was hired, it was almost like Alabama hiring Nick Saban on this site. Yet, where are those individuals who were so in love with that hiring? Manginoohoolz, Ahperse?????? Where are they? They've totally disappeared from this site.

I know that you want Dr. Zenger to interview Ed Warriner, David Beatty, etc..... In fact, there are a LOT of people that wanted that done.

I'll say this, right now Clint Bowen has more head coaching experience than Ed Warriner or David Beatty combined. And, you sure as heck can't say that Bowen hasn't injected positive mentality and vibe into the current team. He's made changes in his interim term that has already made significant improvements on the offensive side of the ball by changing out the QB and allowing Eric Kiesau to become Co-Offensive Coordinator. So, it sure looks like Coach Bowen knows how to make adjustments on the fly.

So, we all totally understand your disdain for the thought of Clint Bowen as a candidate for the Head Coaching position.

But, I'm pretty sure that Clint Bowen's going to have the team fired up as much as possible to compete in these last 2 games. I'm betting that Bowen is selling the K-State game as the Jayhawks 2014 Bowl Game scenario.

So Mr. Cramer, do your best to sit back and relax, and try to enjoy the remaining 2 games that are left on the 2014 schedule.

Because in the end, you may get your wish for the next official Head Coach of the Jayhawks football team.

ROCK CHALK!

Matt Tait 7 years, 8 months ago

Thanks, Doug. Good insight. One thing your numbers are not depicting, though, is that both of Clint's non-KU defensive finishes were actually improvements from where those defenses were ranked before he got there. That's all a guy can be asked to do in one year, right? It's not like he recruited most of those defenses or teams, he just stepped in and tried to coach them up to make them better. 99th and 88th is not going to set the world on fire, but he clearly had a positive impact during his time at both places, however small it might have been.

Bobby Oviemena Birhiray 7 years, 8 months ago

look at years prior under Coach Young: 2002 114 out of 117 2003 84 out of 117 2004 35 out of 117 2005 29 out of 119 2006 81 out of 119 (this when Big 12 went full blow spread off)

Also look at what those defenses ranked prior to Coach Bowen. W. Ky 119 out of 120 N Tex 83 out of 120 ( Strength of Schedule was weaker

Dirk Medema 7 years, 8 months ago

Matt - Either you or Bobby (below) appears to be mistaken. NTS was ranked better the year before Bowen.

Mark Palmer 7 years, 8 months ago

thought we had heard the last of you after clint schooled your choice for head MM and apparently you don't watch or attend any KU games but we are headed in the right direction. you've posted these rankings a hundred times so you can quit now, don't mean anything. nice predictions for the last two games. think you were only off by about 90 points.

Mike Suellentrop 7 years, 8 months ago

Doug is back! Didn't notice any posts by him after the TCU game (one week after we whipped the clones against whom we had NO CHANCE because of the great and powerful MM according to Dougy). Doug, please post some proof of correlation between the stats of defensive coordinators and their subsequent success as a head coach. Didn't work out so well in the case of Muschamp and Florida eh?

Bobby Oviemena Birhiray 7 years, 8 months ago

Doug Cramer those rankings are skewed. What was Coach Young ranks the year prior 2007? Did the improvements correlates to recruitment and implementation of the scheme? I can answer that for you, look at years prior under Coach Young:

2002 114 out of 117 2003 84 out of 117 2004 35 out of 117 2005 29 out of 119 2006 81 out of 119 (this when Big 12 went full blow spread off)

He got better when his recruit got into fold and when the younger guys that already in the program knew what was expected from Coach Young. Also look at what those defenses ranked prior to Coach Bowen.

W. Ky 119 out of 120 N Tex 83 out of 120 ( Strength of Schedule was weaker)

The 2 years Bowen has been back, the secondary and linebackers have performed prior and currently played at All Big 12 level Mr. Reynold, Henney, Mc Donald & Sheppard. Mr. Cramer if your argument is you don't think Bowen is qualified okay, but if you argument is Bowen is not a good DC that is just not true. Numbers prove Bowen has improved his team and as a coach each year.

Dirk Medema 7 years, 8 months ago

Numbers do NOT prove it. NTSU was worse the year Bowen coached them than the year before. But you are right that #'s don't prove whether a coach is good or not.

Micky Baker 7 years, 8 months ago

Or maybe because Todd Reesing turned the ball over when we had leads the defense gave us in the 4th quarter?

Brian Wilson 7 years, 8 months ago

and in those years Bowen coached the defensive system he was told to coach and to start the players at which position he was told to play.

Doug Cramer 7 years, 8 months ago

Yeah I know...the bit$& slaps are coming...just like they did when Weis was hired. Or when I predicted 3-9 seasons both last year and this year, because the talent in the trenches wouldn't hold up. Or when I criticized Weis's JUCO recruiting strategy back in 2012/2013. We all see where the "Dream Team" got us.

But facts are facts...and there isn't a single power 5 program out there that would consider Bowen's resume for filling a head coach vacancy.

Andy Tweedy 7 years, 8 months ago

Or like when you said we didn't have a chance against Iowa State? C'mon, man, don't act like you've go a crystal ball!!! You sound like that old saying "the older I get, the better I was!"

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 8 months ago

Guess what Doug, with the current state of KU football, any coach that has other power 5 offers probably isn't coming to KU.

Also, don't go back on your predictions, after SEMO, Duke, and CMU, you were guaranteeing a 2-10 season.

Matt Tait 7 years, 8 months ago

No doubt about that. Bowen would not get hired as a head coach in a major conference anywhere else at this point in time. But we're not talking about any other program and he' definitely an option for Kansas right now and for all kinds of quality reasons. I'm not sure who a Big Ten or ACC school would hire should matter in KU's search. Totally different animal with totally unique needs/challenges.

Ray Winger 7 years, 8 months ago

Who would have hired Snyder, but K-State? I think Bowen is closer to Head Coaching offers than we realize. He seems to have a lot of respect within the 'Coaching Fraternity'. Maybe not a major conference, but South Florida, or North Texas....these are good football programs, and I think they would look at Bowen's Body of Work. Wasn't he sought after as DC by Oklahoma State a few years back?

Micky Baker 7 years, 8 months ago

You're stuck in your agenda, and it's quite clear you're not even close to even understanding football.

Ross Hartley 7 years, 8 months ago

I don't think Weis' juco strategy was flawed. His execution was flawed. He had no contacts in those schools like K-State does & simply did not get the talent.

Randy Bombardier 7 years, 8 months ago

Cramer, the last thing KU needs is another coach that cares little about the university and the community but is there for the job alone. Come to think of it the Chancellor AD and every high official should be a Kansas native, KU graduate at some level. The people deserve it. Sex appeal for the next hire will backfire. Do you realize the average tenure for 120 years of KU football coach is 3 years? ?? You won't get a Tom Osborne if you don't get time.

Doug Cramer 7 years, 8 months ago

Randy - growing up in Lawrence, playing football at KU, and having passion for the university doesn't make you an automatic winner.

We need a winner...period.

David A. Smith 7 years, 8 months ago

Surely you can see, though, that the proof that you seek is written all over the product on the field right now.

Brian Wilson 7 years, 8 months ago

yeah....sure.....we've had 120 years of high priced 3 yr and done coaches and yet you still support the genius idea of continuing what we've been doing forever thinking that the great messiah winning coach will be found. My Dear sir, you must still be one of those drinking Kool Aid. You have been Grubered! You would pay more money to walk past what common sense says is in front of your face. I am sure Bowen would accept a cheap two year contract with incentives allowing us time to find out. Hiring Bowen is a freaking no brainer.

Dirk Medema 7 years, 8 months ago

Randy - So you are a big supporter of AD Zenger, right? He is a KU grad. Glad you'll be defending him against the attacks of others in these blogs.

Sae Thirtysix 7 years, 8 months ago

Doug, this post from Brett is spot-on. I will admit it . . . I thought the CWeis hire was a good one, well ur, maybe I 'hoped' it would be a good one. Just as I am certain that the Gators also hoped that WMuschamp would work out.

What are the bad decisions that Clint has made in the last few weeks on the job? We've seen some good ones - OC change, change in practice routine - all have resulted in inspired play. [I can't help but think of what the TCU score could have been under Charlie. (?) - and I'm refering to ours, those prior game plans were pathetic and the offense couldn't function.

I will be the first to admit that many of those scores against the HFrogs were opportunistic and fortunate, but that is what inspired play can bring a team - opportunity.

Should a full search be undertaken, sure. If someone falls in our lap, let the Committee consider them. But the guy with the headset this weekend is looking pretty good to this JHawk.

This opportunist is for Clint.

Robert Brown 7 years, 8 months ago

I would love to have Bowen as head coach but I think the process has to play out. I want to see how they play on the road the last two games. I would like to think we can keep it close and possibly pull of an upset.

My question is whether Bowen is the real deal (and he has done nothing to convince me he is not) or is he a modern day version of Don Fambrough. I was in college when he was hired the second time and his opening press conference was inspiring to any of us who grew up in Kansas and loved KU and Lawrence. Of course, he really want that good of a coach and was gone after four years.

Matt Tait 7 years, 8 months ago

One of the biggest things that people aren't talking much about is who Bowen could/would get on his staff if he got that job. That's as important, if not more so, than who the head coach is.

I've asked around and heard that Bowen has some ideas for who he would pursue and a few of them sound pretty impressive. They better be, though, because even the best coach in football history isn't much without a quality staff around him.

So there's that aspect, too, and it's just as important as who fills the big office.

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 8 months ago

Matt, can you give any insight into which coaches Bowen would likely retain and which ones he's looking to replace. Also, any word on whether Campo will stick around after this season.

Dirk Medema 7 years, 8 months ago

Unlikely before Bowen is actually hired.

Matt Tait 7 years, 8 months ago

I wouldn't expect more than 2 or 3 guys to stick around and Reggie Mitchell would be the only one I'd feel comfortable saying will be here for sure.

Dirk Medema 7 years, 8 months ago

Glad to hear someone else has thought about Coach Fam. No one has ever been more enthusiastic about KU than Coach Fam, and yet that didn't translate into winning either time.

I'm certainly not nearly as doomsday as Doug, but think all the talk about the coaching search being complete is way premature. Especially just 3 weeks after 60-14. If we have another one of those performances in either of the last 2 games, I certainly hope that the crowd isn't making excuses, and we can move on. If we can be close to the last 2 weeks, then yes indeed it would seem that we are headed in the right direction and Matt's comment about finding assistants is vital.

(Beating a bad ISU at home, and contending against a disinterested TCU in the freezing cold, even TCU, is encouraging but not convincing without crimson glasses IMO.)

Brian Wilson 7 years, 8 months ago

I remember when Fambrough was hired and I can't remember any student that was happy to see "Mr 2yds and a cloud of dust", back again. The most boring football ever played. Clint Bowen coaches nothing like Fambrough. I can remember listening to Max on the radio and laughing......."handoff, off tackle, he's digging, he's drivinnnnnnng, he's got.......2 yards! Good effort......

Dirk Medema 7 years, 8 months ago

The similarity is not in style of play. The question is whether institutional enthusiasm is sufficient to produce success. As you've pointed out, the answer is no.

Glad Coach Bowen is excited to be here, but it's really not a huge factor in whether we are successful or not. Helpful, but not significant.

Joe Joseph 7 years, 8 months ago

I don't think Zenger could have ever predicted that Bowen would have such relative success in his stint as interim head coach. Selecting Bowen as IHC was a charity move, meant to appease the players, staffers, and community. It was safe. Bowen had no head coaching experience before, hadn't been responsible for exceptional numbers in previous stints as DC or other coaching positions, and probably wasn't on anyone's radar. Zenger was expecting the team to continue its poor play.

But it hasn't, and now Zenger has been put in a difficult position, yet one with an obvious solution. Unless KU doesn't compete and gets blown out in its last two games of the season, Zenger has to hire Bowen. He must. No other options. Torches and pitchforks if he doesn't.

Robert Brown 7 years, 8 months ago

No one can read Zenger's mind, but I doubt he expected continued poor play. If he wanted that, all he had to do was wait until the end of the season to fire Weis. I really believe this was presented to Bowen as an opportunity to be seriously considered as the next head coach. Bowen is making the best of the opportunity to where the 'safe' pick for Zenger is to select Bowen. It may not be the best pick, but Zenget is not going get alot of heat if Bowen does not workout, as opposed to hiring someone from the outside with a high salary that does not work out.

Robert Brock 7 years, 8 months ago

If Zenger goes with Bowen and the team goes downhill a la The Fam - the torches and pitchforks will be coming for Herr Doktor Z also. And fast. The Hawks will have very few Big 12-level players on the roster next season. Could be a one-win season! Okay, an enthusiastic one-win season.

Matt Tait 7 years, 8 months ago

Could just be me, but I actually think people would be more patient with Bowen in the next couple of years than they might be if someone else gets the job. That could be important, too, given the way the roster looks right now. Who knows...

Joe Joseph 7 years, 8 months ago

Completely agree. Too much public support not to be patient with him.

Jay Beakum 7 years, 8 months ago

Look through that roster again. Yes we lose some significant players but we aren’t completely empty at any position next year either. CB will be tough to recreate, but we did develop some talent on the field this year, and we redshirted some considerable talent as well. Especially on the DLine.

Dirk Medema 7 years, 8 months ago

People notice the talent we'll be losing this year, because it is too stark a contrast to the past. You are absolutely correct that we have some quality players waiting in the wings/RS, and in some instances even getting some valuable experience this year.

Probably the most important issue is whether the significant # of JC's that have already been recruited will actually make it to campus and play games next year. Way too much attrition in the recent past, which is really the only downside of the previous approach.

Doug Mowery 7 years, 8 months ago

This whole situation reminds me of the coaching dilemma at USC a few years ago with Ed Orgeron, and USC ultimately going for the big name in Steve Sarkisian.

Bowen bleeds KU crimson and blue. Turner Gill didn't. Charlie Weis faked it (seemed more interested in attending KU basketball games at times). Bowen lives it. How can we not give a guy like that a chance. Lets face it, no big name coach with head coaching experience is going to want to come to Kansas to coach football. Its a stepping stone program at the moment and we all know this. You have to be delusional to believe otherwise. To Bowen, this is no stepping stone, this is a dream job.

Dirk Medema 7 years, 8 months ago

There are plenty of people that would agree that I'm delusional, but the one exception to your thought IMO is the change that has happened in the past decade - that football is not an after thought any more. The previous lack of commitment is the reason that Mason left, and why no one successful has stuck around. (Dr Z has extended that to the non-revenue sports as well, and it shows on the field.)

IMO, the mindset change is the major contribution that MM made to the FB program. I seem to recall that he butted heads with folks over the issue, which probably was part of eroding the foundation that led to his demise. KU is a great university, and outside of history, there is no reason KU would be any less desirable a location than any other of the schools around us - NU, KSU & mu in particular, but you could throw in Iowa, ISU, Minnesota, and Wisc too.

Bob Bailey 7 years, 8 months ago

Tait --

You, of all people, should have more sense than this.

I have sent you a primer on 'Tackling' and 'Coverage'. You didn't bother to read it.

No matter how you talk, being a Great Jayhawk does NOT solve any football problems. The worst part about Offense was also Coaching. Kiesau may be a good part of the answer. But you have to go with big bucks to get a really good DC and SP Tms co-ordinator, and an excellent QB coach!

The only way you could sell Bowen to the knowledgeable; make sure he keeps out of the subject matter and teaching of the TEAM!

You are standing in line to get another 2-3 yr.to start over, again before we have s

Matt Tait 7 years, 8 months ago

Hmm. Thanks for the comment, Bob. Don't remember seeing any kind of "primer" email, but I may have missed it in my inbox.

Everyone has his opinion and no one is more right than anyone else. I think Clint could do a great job and I think he has done a great job in the interim basis. Doesn't mean he's the only guy that could do that. But the guy can coach. Like him or not, he can coach kids and inspire people to compete and play hard. That's half the battle. After that, as I pointed out in another comment, it's about the staff a head coach can put around him and the players those guys can bring in.

Should be interesting to see what happens.

Lance Cheney 7 years, 8 months ago

I don't know how you do it, Matt. Keeping your cool and taking the high road when faced with people that know more than you and the coaches do.

John Fitzgerald 7 years, 8 months ago

Lol That's why he's in the position he's in. A good writer knows not to attack. He's obviously read "How to Win Friends and Influence People." Great book by the way, totally recommend it.

Joe Ross 7 years, 8 months ago

Judging by some of the comments youve made to me and others, you should read it again. Just sayin'.

John Fitzgerald 7 years, 8 months ago

Thanks Joe! Always look forward to your positive comments.

Dirk Medema 7 years, 8 months ago

Amazingly diplomatic by both of you {Tips hat}.

Rick McGowwan 7 years, 8 months ago

Matt, you're the best. I always love how you respond to comments like these.

Randy Bombardier 7 years, 8 months ago

We fans need to be realistic and build thus program over time. Historically we are a 500 program. We need to strive to win every nonconference game and half of our conference gsmes. Look at Mike Riley at Oregon state. His second year they were 5-6 which was the best record for 27 years. He's 5-5 against top 5 teams at home. He's 5-2 in bowls. That's good coaching. Yet he's 544 win percent. Why? He doesn't get the athletes that usc, Oregon, UCLA or even Washington gets. He's got the same limitations that we have and will most likely s always have. He was 3-9 his first year. The only way that will ever change is if we csn win at the .600 rate for ten years, maybe the .650 rate for the next ten and so on. I know it pains you but look what pinkel has done at Mizzu. He's in his 12th? Season. We try to get some hi t shot and maybe he's wildly successful for three years. He's not gonna stay. We have a f uhh xer-upper and we're gonna have to do this ourselves and it will take time. Thats why I came around to Bowen. He'll be here long haul and very very glad to see tait say he's s lready thinking about staff. Outstanding.

Joe Joseph 7 years, 8 months ago

I completely agree with what you're saying, but it'd be easier to go .500 in the conference if KU played against PAC-12 competition.

Randy Bombardier 7 years, 8 months ago

Maybe so, Joe. But we went thirty years before beating Nebraska. Why? I thin the single biggest reason is the coaching carosel. Imagine if we had the same coach for 20 years while Nebraska goes through Callahan, Ou goes through snellenbach. And it will happen again. Lets get a die-hard KU man at the top and give him the best staff and facilities we can. He'll do well. Let Ou be stupid and grumble that Stoops is not winning the conference every year. Lets be stable when he moves on , when Gundy Henderson Kingsbury move on, when Snyder retires. Lets be the st as ble one and we wont regret it.

Dirk Medema 7 years, 8 months ago

That works if Bowen really can coach. So far, we've got people excited that we aren't as bad as we use to be, and happy with losing close games most of the time. It's still more than 30% your goal.

Tom Hanson 7 years, 8 months ago

One of the more interesting hires in our part of the country was Jerry Kill at Minnesota. He has found some success, at least being competitive in the Big 10. What is unique about Jerry's approach is the tenure of his assistants, the longest in the nation at Div 1. I'm hoping that if Bowen is the man he has the support of the assistants that seem to have made a difference in the program these last few weeks. It takes an entire staff to be successful.

Dirk Medema 7 years, 8 months ago

Assistant tenure, not having a complete coaching turn-over is one of the attractive aspects of Coach Bowen. It's the reason Warriner is relatively high on my list. I think he would be more likely to retain the best of the existing staff.

Guessing we'll be looking for a new OL coach (Kiesau takes full control of OC and retains WR), and a new LB/DC. Can imagine Reagan staying around after losing control of the offense.

Robert Brown 7 years, 8 months ago

Matt- I totally agree with your comment about the fans having more patience with Bowen which given the make up of the roster, is another reason why he is a strong contender for the job.

I think one of the problems with Weis was that he implied that he could turn this around quickly by bringing in transfers and later the JUCO dream team.

Joe Ross 7 years, 8 months ago

I went on record earlier in the season saying that Mark Mangino would be a good hire. I still believe that, although I recognize it will not happen. My thinking was that a good situation would be to hire Mark and keep Bowen around to coach the defense. Since then there has been what has been, in my opinion, a justifiable surge in enthusiasm for Clint Bowen. Im still riding the fence about his hiring, but to be honest it would not upset me to see him on the sidelines as head coach next year and I certainly understand the feelings and logic behind the rationale for a Bowen hire. I still think there is a place for Mangino that satisfies all people no matter which side you come down on with respect to Mark's coming back to Kansas as head coach. The answer is this: hire him as offensive line coach and maybe co-offensive coordinator with Kiesau. Here are the reasons.

  1. Few people now feel that though Mangino's temper was out of control, the response from the Athletic Department was undoubtedly disproportionate. Right the wrong.
  2. Mark Mangino is obviously fine being on a staff in a capacity other than head coach.
  3. Mangino is outstanding with X's and O's, and bringing him back would not just be about restitution. Mangino could really help us, and I certainly think he would serve better than Reagan.
  4. The liability issues are less of a concern with Mangino as a.) he is demonstrating a changed demeanor (presumably) at Iowa State and in his previous job at Youngstown State, b.) he would be overseen by Bowen, c.) Bowen's positive attitude would rule the attitude of the entire football team, from the players to the staff, and d.) any further concerns could be addressed in the structuring of his contract.
  5. Mangino and Bowen have a great rapport and working relationship with one another.
  6. The Bowen-Mangino combination have been responsible for turning around a program together before.
  7. How jacked do you think Mangino would be to be a part of a system that returns to him some of the harm done to his reputation? In essence, if the offense does well that's a good reflection on Mark, so you can be assured he would do his best job.
  8. WE NEED HELP WITH THE OFFENSIVE LINE! It needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, and Mangino would certainly be instrumental in that.
  9. A Mangino hire at Kansas keeps him away from Kansas State. Bill Snyder would certainly trust Mangino to run the program, and with his advancing age Bill might think it time to hand over the reins to him if he were available.
  10. I've heard Bowen speak of realizing that we need to play a physical brand of football. Mangino would DEFINITELY coach that way.

If someone told me that Mangino would be a part of Bowen's staff, I'd say hire Bowen on the spot.

Kyle Sybesma 7 years, 8 months ago

Joe - I enjoy your posts but #7 is not a strong argument to believe that Mangino would want to come back to KU.

Mangino could be a good hire for Iowa State if they fire Rhodes I've heard Snyder would like to see his son Sean take over but K-State folks are not thrilled with that. But how do you say No to Bill Snyder if he wants to pick his successor much like Dean Smith did.

Jay Beakum 7 years, 8 months ago

I don’t see how MM is such a great X and O’s guy. What has he done at Iowa St. that has impressed you so much? What did he do at KU before Ed Warriner?

Right now I think we have our staff if Bowen keeps Reagan as offensive line coach and let’s him do what he’s best. Kies seems to have a handle on OC. That leaves full time DC duties, special teams, Dline and QB coach. None of which will be filled by MM.

Randy Bombardier 7 years, 8 months ago

My concern for some time has been the oline. Also not thrilled with defense line. Coaching or talent or both but need upgrade there.

Al Martin 7 years, 8 months ago

Mangino would be fantastic for our OL, no question. And I think it would be great for him and for KU to repair that relationship. Wouldn't it be nice to have him back on the field and in good graces for the 10 year anniversary of the Orange Bowl team?

I don't see it happening, though. Too much pride to swallow, probably on both sides.

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 8 months ago

Pride has nothing to do with your scenario. Why would an OC at a power 5 school voluntarily leave to become a position coach at a school with a similar national reputation? That's a backward move and doesn't make any sense.

Joe Ross 7 years, 8 months ago

Not just position coach. Co-offensive coordinator. Lateral move. And why Kansas? Mangino himself has said he still has ties to people here. Other reasons as above. Finally, money talks. So I put the question back to you. If we pay more, why WOULDNT he come? You gotta have a little flexibility in your thought. There are ways to get it done if you want to.

John Fitzgerald 7 years, 8 months ago

"You gotta have a little flexibility in your thought." Man, too bad you didn't take your own advice.

Joe Ross 7 years, 8 months ago

Flexibility of thought doesnt mean agreeing with every opinion out there. It means if its supported by evidence, you change in the light of more or better information. #stepupyourgame

Joe Ross 7 years, 8 months ago

(see above for an example, where I call "fair" the views of Kyle's dissenting opinion)

John Fitzgerald 7 years, 8 months ago

You're so insightful, Joe. Everything you say is right.

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 8 months ago

You say that Mangino was a good X's and O's guy, where's the proof of that? The offense at OU was put in place by Mike Leach, KU's offenses were terrible until Warriner came back in 2007, and ISU has been pretty bad on offense this year as well. Mangino just isn't worth the baggage he would bring back to Lawrence under any circumstance.

Joe Ross 7 years, 8 months ago

Ill put a wager to you, Aaron. Since our own opinions are biased and polarized, why dont we--apart from our own perceptions--come up with some method of canvassing media and coaches' perceptions of Mangino's ability as an X's and O's coach? Ill yield to any fair methodology. Loser concedes. I think the final part of your last comment is very revealing. You think he's too much baggage to bring back, and that colors your perception of his skill as a coordinator. My final point aside, my intuition is that expert references that portray Mangino as capable are 50:1. So the question is, where is your PROOF that he isn't? (Again, outside of your own opinion)

Doug Cramer 7 years, 8 months ago

I guess National Coach of the Year doesn't mean anything to Aaron

Doug Cramer 7 years, 8 months ago

Agree with everything you say here J-Ross. But I've come to the realization that Mangino's not coming back. Wish we still had him...it would have saved us 5 seasons of grief.

Rick McGowwan 7 years, 8 months ago

Joe, love your posts, they are always well thought out and reasonable. Like you I am also on the fence with Bowen. I still think he's our safety choice.

With regards to Mangino, he was fired or "bought out" of his contract. The agreement ending his tenure as head coach included a "findings of fact." Meaning he most likely is barred from employment at KU. We are a public institution and don't take liability lightly. I can almost promise you that one of the things he agreed to, in addition to not talking about the settlement, was agreeing to never being employed at KU again. He was paid nicely to keep quiet. Personally I believe his firing was both tragic and justified. He's not coming back though. Ever.

John Fitzgerald 7 years, 8 months ago

I'm surprised to see Mangino still being brought up. Anyways, Bowen is a great guy, the players love him, and a lot of people seem to be supporting him, so I think his chances are getting better. But, Zenger did pay a guy $50,000 to find a coach. Until that search has been thoroughly done I'm not sure we will have a HC anytime soon. Either way, Bowen has done a hell of a job as interim HC. I've been impressed at least.

Robert Brown 7 years, 8 months ago

Hopefully, the search consultant (Chuck Neinas) is able to determine if Bowen has the skills to be a head coach. It is not all about the resume can good search firms should be able to identify whether a candidate has the skills to be a good head coach through an objective process. A lot of people here are more emotional in their thinking.

If Neinas comes back and says they recommend hiring Bowen based on his objective assessment, the price will be well worth it.

Al Martin 7 years, 8 months ago

I gotta admit, Neinas' involvement here doesn't feel that great. He's made a lot of crony picks over the years that haven't worked out.

Dirk Medema 7 years, 8 months ago

Robert may believe that "the hiring of our next coach is solely in the hands of Chuck Neinas", though I'm not seeing it in his statement.

Fortunately, Dr Z has indicated that the hiring of our next coach is not solely in the hands of Chuck Neinas, but that he is a consultant that will be providing info. I recall that there is a committee this time, and Dr Z is leading it.

Robert Brown 7 years, 8 months ago

I never said that. I said that he should be able to objectively vett potential candidates

Lloyd Kinnison 7 years, 8 months ago

Count me in for Bowen. Hire him so that recruitment may begin. Lloyd Kinnison

AJ Cleland 7 years, 8 months ago

Every single head coach that is now a "winner" had to start somewhere. They all got their chance, and made the most of it. For all the people that say Bowen is not proven, ask them if they would have hired any of the myriad of "winner" coaches that were unknown and they will say yes. But they will only say so, not because they believe it, but because they need it to hold up their point of Bowen not being proven as a HC. Saying we have to go get a proven winner is asinine.

John Fitzgerald 7 years, 8 months ago

Joe Ross: "I'm right, you're wrong." Doug Cramer: "Mangino." Basically all I see when they post.

Joe Ross 7 years, 8 months ago

Im not going to engage in childish banter. Id much prefer to keep it about football.

Dirk Medema 7 years, 8 months ago

Is this from "How to Win Friends and Influence People"?

I hear that it's a great book, and totally recommended.

Jim Williamson 7 years, 8 months ago

There is no way on God's green Earth that Ed Warriner will be hired as KU's head coach.

Gerry Butler 7 years, 8 months ago

uh Doug do we have a so called Power 5 football program right now? oh THANKS, for your response. just curious. thanks for your intelligent input and have a nice day GO CLINT. GO HAWKS

Jim Stauffer 7 years, 8 months ago

There will be a lot of comparisons to Coach Fam. The one thing they have in common is their love for the school. But it is already obvious Clint is given to detail far above what Fam was. I do not want to knock Coach Fam. He meant a lot to the University as a Coach and also in his time since. But to blindly tie Clint to him as the model of Clint's coaching style is to fail to see closely the small things Clint has already done to improve these kids.

I know it is getting old, but if Clint had been hired last December immediately following our season, where do you think we would be now. We would have had the confidence to beat OSU and TTU and probably would have pulled off the game against TCU. We would probably be bowling this year.

What most fans of KU do not realize is what a great recruiting HC can do at KU. Think about the coaches we have had since 88. None of them were very good recruiters. Mason, Allen, MM, Gill and Weis were all weak in recruiting.

If we hire Clint Bowen, you mark my word (and I will stand by my prediction Cramer) we will have better talent than we have ever had since the teams of Jack Mitchell.

Robert Brown 7 years, 8 months ago

Let's see what happens the next two games. As mentioned, Bowen has done nothing to indicate he wouldn't be a good head coach and his stock is rising.

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