Saturday, March 23, 2019

It’s Over: Kansas suffers 89-75 season-ending loss to Auburn in Round of 32

Kansas guard Devon Dotson (11) shows his frustration late in the second half against Auburn on Saturday, March 23, 2019 at Vivint Smart Homes Arena in Salt Lake City, Utah.

Kansas guard Devon Dotson (11) shows his frustration late in the second half against Auburn on Saturday, March 23, 2019 at Vivint Smart Homes Arena in Salt Lake City, Utah.


Salt Lake City — Even if you had not seen a single second of Saturday’s first half at Vivint Smart Home Arena, the vision of the Jayhawks walking off the floor at halftime would have told you all you needed to know.

With heads down and mouths open, gasping for air, the Jayhawks quietly filed their way back to the locker room at halftime for the final time this season.

Sophomore guard Marcus Garrett was the last to enter the locker room and, as he did, one of the few KU players with more than one game of NCAA Tournament experience had a simple message for his team.

“Get your heads up,” Garrett said. “Heads up.”

It didn’t matter. Heads up, heads down, forward or backwards, the 5th-seeded Auburn Tigers sent KU’s heads spinning from start to finish in a 89-75 second-round NCAA Tournament victory that ended KU’s season.

It marked the first time since 2015 that KU has bowed out in the second round and will go down as one of the worst NCAA Tournament losses in school history. The worst was a 60-42 loss to Indiana in the 1940 tournament.

“Just to go out like that, you want it to be at least close," KU sophomore K.J. Lawson said after the loss.

And although Saturday’s loss, which unfolded in front of a crowd of 17,792, will forever be linked with that big win by IU — along with last season’s 95-79 Final Four loss to Villanova — it’s not as if the Jayhawks ever gave in on Saturday night. They just could not keep up.

As the Kansas players left the locker room after their halftime adjustments and took the court for what they hoped would be a comeback for the ages, the Kansas players looked upbeat, bounced around and uttered different versions of the phrase, “Let’s go.”

Even the KU band got in on the act, blaring the notes of Bon Jovi’s “Livin’ on a Prayer” as the teams warmed up to start the game’s final 20 minutes.

The second half began just the way any team in a giant hole would want.

Freshman point guard Devon Dotson (13 points in 33 minutes) drilled a 3-pointer from the wing to jump-start the Jayhawks and the shot was as pure and pretty as any KU let fly all game long.

The problem was, that bucket and the six in a row by Kansas that followed in the first 4 minutes of the second half shaved just a single point off of the Tigers’ 51-25 halftime lead.

"We did play better in the second half," Self said after Saturday's loss. We just didn't have enough ammunition to fight off what they threw at us early."

By the 14-minute mark of the second half, Kansas had outscored Auburn 24-16 and trimmed the lead from 26 to 18. But the Tigers quickly pushed it back above 20 and never let up in a game that featured Auburn looking like a finely tuned Indy car and Kansas looking like 4-door sedan running out of gas.

“Give credit to them," Dotson said while trying to fight back tears. "They’re athletic. They can get out and run. They’re super-quick and super-fast and everything gave us problems tonight.”

Junior forward Dedric Lawson delivered his 22nd double-double of the game with 25 points and 10 rebounds in 37 minutes. But the closest Kansas (26-10) got the rest of the way came after two free throws by K.J. Lawson and a three-point play by Quentin Grimes, both of which cut the Auburn lead to 14 in the final 2 minutes.

Even with KU showing signs of life, the Tigers continued to torch the nets, keeping both their field goal percentage and 3-point percentage above 60 percent for the first 25 minutes of the game. The Tigers finished 13-of-30 from 3-point range (43.3 percent) and shot 52.5 percent from the floor.

KU finished 6-of-19 from 3-point range for 45.8 percent overall.

It did not take long for the two teams to demonstrate what type of challenge this would be for the Jayhawks, who finished the season at 26-10.

Kansas, which enjoyed a size advantage in its Round 1 win over Northeastern, found early success pounding the ball into David McCormack, who scored KU’s first five points on tough post moves in the paint.

Those buckets were flanked by a couple of KU turnovers and 6-of-9 shooting from the fast-paced Tigers — including 3-of-4 from 3-point range — who picked up full court on defense from the jump and made Kansas uncomfortable all over the floor.

"You can't run an even race with them," Self said, giving a nod to Auburn's more athletic and explosive lineup. "You have to be ahead. Because if you run an even race it will be hard to catch up. And they had us so stretched out."

Kansas called timeout at the 15:58 mark of the first half after a 3-pointer in front of the KU bench by Bryce Brown (25 points on 7-of-11 shooting from 3-point range), but got more of the same after getting back on the floor, via a Quentin Grimes turnover and another Brown 3-pointer from virtually the same spot.

The result was a 15-5 Auburn advantage in first 4:45 of the game.

Things only got worse from there, as Brown cashed four early 3-pointers — all of them in front of the Kansas bench — and watched his point guard, Jared Harper, hit two of his own to push the Tigers out to a 28-11 advantage less than 8 minutes into the game.

“We dug ourselves a big hole," K.J. Lawson said. "We were playing catch-up the whole game.”

The Tigers hit 11 of their first 16 shots in this one, including a 6-of-8 start from 3-point range.

Kansas eventually found its footing, which can also be described as Auburn cooling off, but even then everything the Jayhawks got was taxing.

Rebounds were tough to grab or bounced away altogether. Trips to the rim that resulted in free throws came with heavy contact. And Auburn consistently looked and stayed one step ahead of Kansas for 20 minutes.

By the 7:36 mark of the first half, the Jayhawks had proven that they were able to compete. But that did little good on the scoreboard, where Auburn still led 34-20.

Perhaps the most disheartening moment of the first half — and there were many — came after a 3-point attempt by Auburn’s Chuma Okeke completely missed the rim and clanged off the far side of the backboard. Instead of the wild miss resulting in a possession for Kansas, Auburn’s J’Von McCormick outraced every Jayhawk to the ball and calmly flipped it to Brown, who buried his fifth triple of the first half as KU coach Bill Self helplessly watched the ball’s flight.

Auburn led 40-20 and never again gave the Jayhawks hope.

It was not just the KU players who were brutalized and battered by the Tigers. At one point in the first half, with Auburn leading by 21, Okeke went barreling into press row while trying to corral another steal and sent water running all over the KU radio broadcast.

Phones, iPads, monitors and mic cords were saturated and the spill left the Kansas contingent trying to clean up the mess on and off the floor.

It never happened — although the radio crew did dry out — and a Kansas basketball season fraught with frustration, difficulty and disappointment ended with a bunch of young players battling and a whimper.

Auburn (28-9) moves on to next week’s Sweet 16 in Kansas City, Mo. And Kansas moves on to see what comes next for its roster, its recruiting and its program.

"It's been a challenging year," Self said. "I thought the kids hung in there and did a great job, for the most part. Their attitudes and everything (were) terrific. And we didn't muster up enough momentum to go on a run like other teams have.

"So much of the tournament is matchups, as much as anything. And I've got to be honest with you. When I saw Auburn as the 5 in our bracket, I'm going, 'I just watched them play and they're fast and those are the teams we obviously struggle the most against. ... Obviously we're disappointed in how we played. But also how we played shouldn't take away from how great Auburn played. They were fantastic. We hadn't seen an onslaught like that all year. They rattled us and we didn't respond very well."


Blake Phillips 3 years, 8 months ago

Sad Thoughts

  1. Bill Self is my all-time favorite coach. He's competitive, amazing at adjusting and hardly ever gets out-coached.
  2. I HATE Bill Self - why after 25+ years of coaching can you not set up a defense that protects the perimeter three? Folks it's not just luck that Villanova, Auburn, Oregon, Villanova, Bucknell, NI, etc. beat us! If you watch all of those games...... they ram our throats with three's right off the jump! They know that is a bill self coached teams weakness. Those teams are willing to miss their first however many shots to see if they can land them. Because they know if they do and they get hot, there's no stopping them and know way Kansas will recover. STOP BLAMING THIS ON LUCK....... it's not luck..... it's a gameplan that for whatever reason Bill Self cannot change his stupid plans and adjust!
  3. Very concerned for next year..... out of everyone on the team the only true grit, grinders, clutch gene, competetive players we might have coming back are: (D. Lawson, D. Dotson)
  4. I know they are Jayhawks but i'm just not confident in so many of our players.
  5. This group is missing a Kansas connection.... they dont have passion or experience as Kansas prideful players...... they seem like a team of transfers, misfits, and quite frankly players who don't bleed crimson. The team needs completely revamped!
  6. Who's at the top of the list to replace Self --- when he decides to leave?
  7. Who thinks Silvie plays next year?
  8. Who thinks D. Lawson or Azubuike returns?
  9. Moore should transfer.
  10. Grimes has no killer instinct -- I hope he transfers. He's not prideful. He lacks emotion. He hasd absolutely no killer instict or touch with the ball. I'd hoped he would be like a Brandon Rush..... uh..... no he's not an NBA player by a long shot!
  11. I love Lightfoot but he is too undersized as a post player. He can only be used in situational games that we can get away with his size. Shame on Bill for not playing him more though...... he at least is competetive.
  12. Mccormack? He's got alot to work on..... maybe becomes a little less reckless next year.

Armen Kurdian 3 years, 8 months ago

I don't know that Moore should be on this team, but this group of guys overcame a lot of adversity. I don't think this is a fair assessment. Dotson is going to be a four year player. I'll bet Dok comes back next year, his lack of playing time and his injury has him missing from NBA draft prospects. Proud of the fight they showed. AU was extremely quick with the ball and set up great screens to open up their shooters. They were just better than we were there. But our team should hold their heads high.

Dane Pratt 3 years, 8 months ago

Wow! Talk about a chicken little mentality. Where's Jay Scott when you need him.

Marius Rowlanski 3 years, 8 months ago

I think you skipped your meds. Were these 'sad' thoughts or a final passing shot at a few team members as the season ends. You don't decide who bleeds the right colored crimson.

Seriously. The season sucked on so many tangible reasons, there is no need for conspiracies theories.

Brett McCabe 3 years, 8 months ago

Their cheater is greater than our cheater. Here's hoping that Jeff Long has the backing to clean this program up. I'm tired of defending the slime.

Sae Thirtysix 3 years, 8 months ago

Shocking commentary, yet journalistically riveting and intellectually stimulating.

Doug Cramer 3 years, 8 months ago

Hope the freshmen get better. Very concerned about Grimes, but I’m pullin for him.

We know that DOK and Sosa would have made us a completely different team.

How does Self respond ? Hopefully with some grit and perseverance, and bring home more championships as we look forward to the future.

Tony Bandle 3 years, 8 months ago

Random Thoughts:

1] I was afraid that when KU played their best game and Auburn played their worst game on Thursday, that neither team would match their performance...and I was right. Men against boys.

2] Next year's line up - Dotson, Grimes [yeah, he's not going anywhere], the KC Kid, Big Mac and Dedric's replacement, Matt Hurt...four sophomores and a freshman.

3] If their was an all-ugly team comprised of Division One head coaches, Bruce Pearl and Tom Izzo would be co-captains. They both look like a cross between a bull frog and an Orc.

4] To Blake above.....#1. I am assuming this is typed in your sarcasm font. #2. Maybe you better check your meds. #3. DITTO. #4. See #3, #5. Quite possible except for Lightfoot. #6. It sounds like you are ready for him to leave now...who do you think?? #7. Nope. #8. Ditto and Ditto!!!

5] The NCAA may render next season moot, so why worry about it.

Blake Phillips 3 years, 8 months ago

1 no i truly do love Bill Self. I think he's a phenomenal coach. But for whatever reason he doesnt coach his players good defense on the perimeter. Never has..... his ideology is make them beat us from the three point line. Yet, when a team does..... he has zero answer for it...... yes has a roster with 5 star players. It's very frustrating knowing every year if a team is hot from three.... you're toast. Yet if you watch a Coach K team or a Roy Williams team, or even an Izzo team.... they adjust everytime. Those coaches dfont get blown out by 25 at half in back-to-back years.

3 -- no meds needed.

Scott Custer 3 years, 8 months ago

Many of their early threes were in transition. They felt better contested in the half court set. And Auburn was simply on fire (we've seen it before - Villanova, Syracuse come to mind). You have to have great players to beat great teams. Our guys aren't great right now. We really have to adjust our expectations as a fan base based on the guys that are on the court. Bill is a great coach - he's going to be in the hall of fame for a reason.

Len Shaffer 3 years, 8 months ago

What do you mean, he's "going to be" in the hall of fame??? He's already in!

Edward Daub 3 years, 8 months ago

Tony, KU could have started Chip Hilton at shooting guard and still lost. Why? Because Auburn played fantastic the first half (Villanova like)!

Can I borrow Book #21 - Comeback Cagers from you? Chip led State University to the NCAA Title in his Junior Season! Go Statesman!

John Joseph Gorski 3 years, 8 months ago

"This group is missing a Kansas connection.... they dont have passion or experience as Kansas prideful players...... they seem like a team of transfers, misfits, and quite frankly players who don't bleed crimson. The team needs completely revamped!"

Self's recruiting of one and dones have led to this mess. There was no player to take the reigns from Graham this season to be that on the floor leader. Vick should have been that player but he quit on the team.

Self try's to be Calipari too much and use NBA players in a College style. Needs to be more like Roy and get players who will be here 3-4 years.

Blake Phillips 3 years, 8 months ago

well said about transition from Graham and svi.... we have lost our roots.

Layne Pierce 3 years, 8 months ago

Ok Let's tell it like it is. This team did not over achieve. It probably did underachieve just a little bit, but the good news is we have everybody back, potentially, and the bad news is ...

Right now, this team has to find better shooting, or better defense, if we want to be more than just good. And this is Kansas we want to be great.

Azubuike and Lawson come back and we will potentially be top 5, maybe no. 1, if both don't or either, we will struggle.

Actually Grimes did not have a terrible tournament season, he actually showed that he can do more than just sit and shoot 3s, (which he has to make more of), but can rebound, play defense, pass and drive to the basket. Add the mid-range jumper and he could be something.

Big question next year is will we go with 2 big men, and the answer is 90% yes. Lawson, Azi,, McCormack, it is too much to not go inside. Problem is 4 guard offenses give us fits.

Ochai had an up and down season, but he plays defense and he rebounds, and he can shoot.

Garrett is great off the bench. He is very tough and a good driver, but he is still a terrible outside shooter.

Dotson is tremendous and he will be even better next year.

Recruiting is the big question, We have two, if we could get Sendish and Hurt, it would be tremendous. Most likely DeSouza will not be back, and don't get me started, it sucks totally what the NCAA did to this kid. Of course we might be on probation next year. Again the NCAA, SOBs.

Why do I say underachieve, because there was no excuse to lose to West Virginia this year, and we lost to Texas, both games we were ahead. That inability to hold leads that was the difference, and yes we were young, but excuses don't cut it.

All of these guys are good, and it is sad that they will always be remembered as the group that lost the conference championship, did not win the conference tournament, and did not make the Sweet 16, and suffered one of the worst losses in our Big Tournament history.
God bless them they did fight their way back to below 20 and they did not give up 100 points. Our loss to Auburn is all the more painful, because of everything else that happened.

So next year will be better!!!!????


Roger Ortega 3 years, 8 months ago

I'm assuming you're talking about KJ Lawson bc there's no way Dedrick comes back. The kid couldn't have a better individual year. If he's playing with Dok next season his numbers drop. I hope I'm wrong as I'd love to see Dedric back. I just don't see it. As far as recruiting man I think this NCAA issue scares away any high level talent. I'd say we need to look at the transfer market, but that might also be affected. Even if we don't land a major target these guys that stick around have a bad taste in their mouth and won't want to have that feeling again. Freshman get better. We'll have a pretty good core next year. I just hope they focus on the perimter both offensively and defensively.

Armen Kurdian 3 years, 8 months ago

After what happend to Cliff and Billy, Silvio is in a no-win situation here. KU should take the NCAA to court on him and get him declared cannot punish a school and a kid if they had absolutely zero to do with anything.

I'm not upset, this team lost three starters, two of them NBA locks (had they played all year). There was a reason we were a preseason #1 in some polls.

I've experienced a lot of NCAA losses, but this one doesn't seem to sting for me. Oregon stung, VCU put me into a blind rage and AZ made me feel like the world had ended, we won't talk about NI.

Charlie Moore I think has to go, I don't think he has potential, but everyone else is solid. Will Lawson stay or go? Don't know, we'll see. All the best.

We've got a great ladies softball team, keep following them!

Tracey Graham 3 years, 8 months ago

It's unrealistic to expect a team starting 4 freshmen to make a deep run in the NCAA Tournament. Especially when the lone non-freshman starter has zero NCAA Tournament experience himself.

Still, t seemed like, despite Bill Self directly mentioning in his interview after the Northeastern win that Auburn was known for its 3-point shooting and its pressure defense, that KU was totally unprepared to defend the 3-point line or to try and run its offense against Auburn's defensive pressure. Shouldn't the coaching staff have worked on these things in practice after seeing how the bracket shook out?

Bill Self is going to have to recruit some better athletes, though, if he wants KU to be able to make another run at a national title. The Dukes and Kentuckys and North Carolinas have great athletes who are projected as future lottery picks while KU...doesn't (Dotson might be the exception, but even he is projected as a late 1st rd pick at best).

Edward Daub 3 years, 8 months ago

Tracey, I sure hope you are correct because Duke starts 4 freshmen, and Duke makes me Puke!

Of course in this 1 and done era, Kentucky won it all (vs KU in 2012) with 3 freshmen starters and Duke won it all with 3 freshman starters (vs UW in 2015).

So, it has been proven that you can win it all with 3 diaper dandies!

Bee Bee 3 years, 8 months ago

Duke is starting four freshman, they look okay. It s all about recruiting. Look who Coach K recruited and look who Self recruited..

Roger Ortega 3 years, 8 months ago

When we say recruited can we just say paid?

John Joseph Gorski 3 years, 8 months ago

The difference with Duke, Kentucky and Kansas is the style of play. Duke and Kentucky play more of a pro style of ball while Kansas plays more of a college style of ball.

Ken Stclair 3 years, 8 months ago

Agree.....and they win National Championships.....KU doesn't.

Steve Zimmerman 3 years, 8 months ago

Even if Vick, Dok, Silvio were to play tonight, nothing would change the outcome. As some of you pointed out, our 3pt defense and offense has been our weakness most of the season. Don't forget we have 4 freshmen plus transfers. Auburn is full of upperclassmen, NBA calibers plus excellent coaching. What I wish KU team next season is a team with better shooting %, more pull-up jumpers, more lobs, more dunks, more 3pts, better defense.

But watching Garrett (he's a great defender), shooting-wise, I do not see any improvement from last year. His stroke is so different than most Div1 players in the tourney. Lightfoot, compared from last year, he's still used just to pass around the ball in the perimeter, even though he's more active on defense. Dok doesn't look much different, either. What I'm afraid of, we won't see much improvement in most kids next season. David will be asked to play post - that's not his strength. He's too mobile - but we don't really see pick & roll or lobs designed for him. It will be really difficult to win it all until unless we sharpen these kids skills (and utilize their strengths) and recruit born-ready athletes.

Gary Wilson 3 years, 8 months ago

Grimes is the most un-athletic top 10 recruit I've ever seen in my life. I don't know who's recruiting these guys, but it seems we need a fresh eye on the process. This isn't the first instance of failing to identify talent in recruiting. In Grimes instance, it wouldn't hurt as much if he wasn't stealing so many minutes on the floor. I question if he's even a D-1 player.

Ken Stclair 3 years, 8 months ago

He has potential and we have seen flashes. He's D-1. Now if you want to question someone that would be Moore. I don't see how he is on a D1 team and actually plays.

David Kemp 3 years, 8 months ago

Watch grimes high school game highlights. He is a different looking player.

Ken Stclair 3 years, 8 months ago

May be a confidence issue.....players develop at different paces. I think he will be much better.

Darrel Stice 3 years, 8 months ago

I'd love to see Grimes take a page out of Dedric's playbook and hit 250 3s a day. Maybe he already does, but man I cringe every time he pulls up from downtown.

Robert Brock 3 years, 8 months ago

I expect Udoka Azubuike and Dedric Lawson will go pro and Silvio De Sousa will not be successful re his appeal to the NCAA. Since KU’s recruiting has been atrocious, I am concerned that next season the Hawks will be a mediocre team - or worse.

Cora Smith 3 years, 8 months ago

I saw very little improvement from the beginning of the season until the end. Players did not trust each other. Shooting was atrocious and only Lightfoot (who is not an athlete) showed any heart. If Hurt does not come and Lawson leaves, what will we have?

Eric TheCapn 3 years, 8 months ago

"Junior forward Dedric Lawson delivered his 22nd double-double of the game." Hot damn! All of the records. How the heck did we lose if Lawson scored (a minimum of) 220 points in one game?! 🤣

Jeff Kallmeyer 3 years, 8 months ago

Per Self, "We hadn't seen an onslaught like that all year." Well, except for ISU twice and TTU...

Barry Weiss 3 years, 8 months ago

That was a tough one to watch, much like the TT and IS games. On the whole, I think our freshman did no better or no worse than what I expected. It's not like they had any senior leadership on the court with them. I think Devon steps up next year into the leadership role. I think Grimes and Obakji will keep developing. When you have some big games like they each have had, it tells me they can do it again and again. Both just had freshmen blues. I still think Dok has to come back and show the NBA he can hit free throws at 60%. Where he is at now is a Hack a Dok and I'm not sure NBA teams would take that unless he would be some low minutes player. Silvio is a toss up on us getting him next year. I have no clue. The NCAA will probably hit us with some penalties, hopefully not enough for Coach Self to leave. I always worried about him going to UCLA and that job is now open. No matter what, Kansas University will rise again!

Bryce Landon 3 years, 8 months ago

This loss was the cherry atop the turd sundae that was the 2018-19 Kansas basketball season. It began with high hopes, a #1 ranking, and the prospect of winning the Big 12 and returning to the Final Four. And what do we have to show for it?

The championship of the NIT Season Tip-Off.

And that's pretty much the end of the list. Notice that a conference title, a conference tournament title, and a Final Four appearance are not on the list. Seriously, does anyone at this point even remember winning the NIT Season Tip-Off?

No Kansas team that I can remember underachieved like this one did. It suffered a 10-loss season, finished in 3rd place in the Big 12 behind Kansas State (of all teams!) and Texas Tech, lost two out of three to Iowa State, posted a losing record on the road, and just got whipped by a football school and a coach with a show-cause penalty in his history. It is a truly disappointing and forgettable season.

Yes, I realize we had more unfortunate circumstances than normal - the situation with Silvio and his idiot guardian and the NCAA throwing the book at the poor guy, Udoka's injuries, Marcus' mid-season injury, LaGerald's mysterious "leave of absence". Not everything that happened this season is Bill Self's fault; a lot of it was beyond his control. Some of it is, though. Like insisting on playing a four-guard lineup when we do not have the guards capable of playing a four-guard style of game that we did the previous two seasons. Like not developing David McCormack sufficiently so that he would be ready to play. Like insisting on playing Quentin Grimes when his play left a lot to be desired. And other things that don't come to mind right now.

And thus the decade of the 2010s will end without a national championship for the Jayhawks. Much like the 1990s, KU has fielded several teams that had legitimate opportunities to win a title and come up empty. Aside from the 2008 national title, how are we any better off with Bill Self than we were with Roy Williams? How long are we going to have to hang our hats on Mario's Miracle while the other blueblood programs leave us in the dust and continue to add to their trophy cases? How much longer must we wait for a fourth NCAA national championship?

As frustrated as I am by the way the season unfolded and ended, I will never give up hope that I will see another Jayhawk national title in my lifetime. Whether it will be with Bill Self or another coach, I don't know. But someday it will be KU cutting down the nets again. Or, to put it in the words of Kermit the Frog,

"Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection, the lovers, the dreamers, and me."

May the 2019-20 Jayhawks restore the lost luster and glory to this program. Rock Chalk Jayhawk.

Ken Stclair 3 years, 8 months ago

This is the way of life......At some point everyone and everything moves back under that bell curve . Just the way it is. Mediocrity will find everything over time. This is a 100% certainty and cannot be avoided. KU will rebound and be better next year. As for national titles......well the news gets a little worse there. I hate to say it but unfortunately KU will probably only see one at about the same pace-which is every 25-30 years. Why? Again hate to say it but they don't get the very best recruits. Those go to Duke, UNC and Kentucky. KU gets very good ones.....but not the elite & very best. Those are the facts. I usually get attacked on here for saying it-but that's reality. I don't like it----But it is what it is.

Bill Corey 3 years, 8 months ago

Because the "very best recruits" "the elite & very best" go where the style of play is more in line with what the Pros play. We are still old school college style and won't (can't) change. Until the one and done situation is resolved (eliminated) we will maybe get a NC every 25-30 years. I agree with you Ken. Reality.....

Ken Stclair 3 years, 8 months ago

Good point. I truly dislike the one and done.....But not sure what the answer is.....KU's guys that played 1 year were pretty good. But I never felt like they were anything close to what we have seen on other teams.

Steve Zimmerman 3 years, 8 months ago

Bill, you've got a valid point on the style we play. That what drives the recruits away.

Dirk Medema 3 years, 8 months ago

The only deficit greater than on the scoreboard is in the comments. Knew it was coming but still amazing.

Ken Stclair 3 years, 8 months ago

Villanova Part Deux!! Very hard (almost impossible) to beat a team that shoots that well.....then throw in their upper classmen compared to a bunch of freshmen.....and this is the result. Move on.....get over it. Next year will be much better.

Stuart Corder 3 years, 8 months ago

This season may be over, but we have the makings of a monster team next season!!! Not only do we return everybody, but we also have shooters coming to join!

All the chaos and growing pains of this season will only harden and improve our team as we prepare for next year. We have so much to look forward to!


Bill Lamson 3 years, 8 months ago

To everyone criticizing Self's recruiting and the players we have, such as all really need to check your history and zip it. Grimes was rated #8 in the nation by Rivals!!! And he was offered by a few teams you might have heard of that are doing ok this year (insert sarcasm)...Kentucky, Tenn. and Virginia. And you might also recall a couple of former Jayhawks who barely got any Div 1 interest but Self found them and managed to do ok with them and now they are in the the names Graham and Mason ring any bells?? I don't think Self walks on water, but some of you really need to pump the brakes and ease up on the armchair quarterbacking.

Tom Jones 3 years, 8 months ago

This was not a great team after three key pieces were stripped away. Would have been nice to get to KC but don't see the crowd giving a big enough boost to beat UNC this year.

Saturday was an ugly game. Sometimes you're the windshield...sometimes you're the bug.

Tough to talk about next year's team yet, as usual. Gotta see who comes back. All of you so sure that Dedric's leaving...I guess if he wants to go to Europe? He's barely listed on NBA draft boards because he doesn't have a true position in the league. Not athletic enough to play inside, not a good enough shooter or quick enough or a good enough ball handler to play on the wing. Those are things he can improve upon and coming back on a national title contender (which KU absolutely will be if Dok comes back) along with improving in those areas will help him get drafted.

Oh, fact: Bill Self has won more NCAA tourney games than anyone but Roy Williams over the last decade.

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