Sunday, October 22, 2017

KU offense in a bad place following back-to-back shutouts

Kansas wide receiver Quan Hampton (6) can't escape two TCU defenders during the fourth quarter, Saturday, Oct. 21, 2017 at Amon G. Carter Stadium in Fort Worth.

Kansas wide receiver Quan Hampton (6) can't escape two TCU defenders during the fourth quarter, Saturday, Oct. 21, 2017 at Amon G. Carter Stadium in Fort Worth.


With only five games remaining on the schedule in head coach David Beaty’s third season leading the Kansas football program, the offense has reached a desolate state.

A week after putting up zero points, 106 yards and five first downs at Iowa State, the Jayhawks somehow regressed in a 43-0 shutout at TCU. The latest four quarters of mishaps featured only four first downs (two via Horned Frogs pass interference penalties) and a feeble 21 yards of total offense.

KU’s longest drive at TCU came on its 13th and final possession, traveling all of 17 yards. The offense, seven days removed from finishing a single drive in ISU territory, couldn’t even complete one series on the right side of the 50-yard line against the Horned Frogs.

Cole Moos punted 11 times — eight after three-and-outs — for Kansas and the only drives that didn’t conclude with the ball leaving Moss’ foot came on KU’s final possession of each half.

“That production’s not very good,” Beaty said of the offense’s numerous misfortunes, “and we’ve got to go back and take a look at what we’re doing schematically, what we’ve got going on personnel wise. … We’ve got to find a few things that we can do well and then we’ve got to really, really practice so we can get good at them so we have something to go to and be able to create some offense for us. That’s a challenge that rests on my shoulders. I’ve got to be able to get that done with my staff.”

Another week of attempting to regroup awaits KU as it prepares for rival Kansas State’s trip to Memorial Stadium. Considering that may feel very similar to what the team just went through coming off the 45-0 loss at Iowa State, sophomore starting tackle Hakeem Adeniji was asked whether it is more difficult to recover and prepare when the team is coming off such a potentially disheartening game.

“I don’t think so,” Adeniji said. “I think we’ve just got to be more in tune. We’ve just got to get better, you know?”

Many of KU’s problems, Beaty thinks, can be traced to the offensive line, where the Jayhawks have missed starting center Mesa Ribordy in back-to-back weeks due to an undisclosed injury.

The offensive staff moved right tackle Zach Hannon to center at TCU, Adeniji moved from left to right tackle, and Clyde McCauley III started at left tackle for Adeniji. The TCU defense dominated, with 11 tackles for loss, four sacks, three quarterback hurries and a pass breakup.

“We’ve got some guys down and we’re working to try and solve the issues,” Beaty said of the team’s situation on the O-line. “Mesa Ribordy is a guy who was kind of a stabilizing force for us. That center does so much for you. … He was definitely kind of the catalyst up front. But we’ve got other guys that are capable of doing that. We need them to continue to develop so we can do that. I really felt like we had enough to still move the football.”

Against TCU at least, the Jayhawks (1-6 overall, 0-4 Big 12) certainly failed on that front and most others. While examining the defense’s problems after it surrendered 475 yards, 22 first downs and five touchdown throws by Frogs quarterback Kenny Hill, Beaty felt as though Hill and company set the tone on their first possession. On third-and-four, Hill hit John Diarse for a 39-yard gain, setting up the first of six TD drives for the home team. TCU went on to convert eight of 15 third downs versus Kansas.

“We’ve got to make those guys go the hard way, the long way,” Beaty said. “We can’t be giving up big plays like that, and as we look at it right now — I’ll have to look at the tape — but I think it’s going to be more technique that you just have to be really, really precise when you’re playing against really talented guys, and that (Hill) kid’s talented.”

For the second straight week, KU also surrendered a punt return touchdown. On KaVontae Turpin’s 90-yard score in the third quarter, Beaty said the Jayhawks not only missed tackles, but also failed to recall the scouting report on the speedy, creative Turpin, whom the coach called “a spin guy.”

“He’s actually a lot stronger than you think. He’s a little bitty old dude (5-foot-9, 153 pounds), but, man, he is dynamic. And he’s a spinner. He gets out of a lot of tackles,” Beaty added of Turpin. “He spun one time and nobody was even there. He gets out of a lot of stuff by doing that. You’ve got to keep your head up. You’ve got to take a proper angle to be able to get that guy down. There are so many things that happen with that open-field tackling that are so critical when you’re playing. That guy’s one of the most dynamic guys in the country, so you’ve got to play perfect with him when you get to the point of attack.”

Beaty added members of KU’s punt coverage team also “violated the halo with our feet from a running position.”

“You’ve got to get in position,” KU’s coach added of the blown special teams coverage, “and you’ve got to be able to move sideways to get guys down … We’ll take a look at it and see. … We had three chances to get him down and that was disappointing for sure.”

There seems to be no shortage of regrettable outcomes for the team to address ahead of the Sunflower Showdown (2 p.m. Saturday, on FOX Sports 1) against Kansas State (3-4 overall, 1-3 Big 12).

More news and notes from Kansas vs. TCU


Doug Cramer 5 years, 1 month ago

I bet Mangino would come back.

The question is, how much recruiting leverage will he have ?

Has he been out of the game too long to get any talent ?

This program is so screwed.

Len Shaffer 5 years, 1 month ago

Will you stop with the damn Mangino stuff already??? Give it a rest, for crying out loud!

KU needs a new direction, not a return to an abusive a-hole, no matter how good a coach he was. (And he wasn't THAT good, he had one great season.)

Bryan Mohr 5 years, 1 month ago

Sometimes a new direction is a worse direction (Gill, Weis, Beaty). Beaty had nothing but positive words about Mangino this year. Other reputable coaches in the Big12 had nothing against him (Snyder, Stoops, Leach). Mangino is not a nice guy, he's a football coach. I guarantee many well respected head coaches in college football could be fired for "abuse" if their AD's wanted to drum up some disgruntled ex-player complaints. If Mangino was so abusive, how and why did he have better talent and better results than any coach since? The players could have transferred if Mangino was so terrible to play under.

"Some players will be happy to see him go and others will be sad to see him go," defensive back Justin Thornton said. "He did a lot of good for a lot of people here."

The cry-babies won. The KU football program lost.

Doug is simply providing a real solution to fixing KU football. There are other options, but nobody knows if those coaches will come to KU. If a better option than Mangino isn't available, then KU should re-hire Mangino.

Lynn Stuart 5 years, 1 month ago

wow Len, it is great to have someone on here that was on the field that personally witnessed Mangino being abusive,I was born and raised in lawrence so I know a lot of people that say just the opposite, KU screwed the man, now bring him back and let him get us back to where we were, the kissy huggy tree hugging coach doesnt work.

Waylon Cook 5 years, 1 month ago

He literally got fired from his next job for "being hard to get along with". That ship has sailed.

Mark Bowers 5 years, 1 month ago

bringing Mangino back makes about as much sense as a wet blank

Bryan Mohr 5 years, 1 month ago

The KU football program has been a wet blanket since Mangino left. Bringing back Mangino makes more sense than hiring Gill, Weis, and Beaty. The decisions of Perkins and Zenger must make as much sense as a diarrhea blanket.

Len Shaffer 5 years, 1 month ago

I knew someone on the football team at the time and I'm well aware of what Mangino said and did. And some of it is public knowledge, such as saying that if someone doesn't shape up, he'll send him home where he can get shot along with his homies.

Or making fun of a player's alcoholic dad.

Or throwing things at his secretary.

Or screaming at and threatening an umpire after his son's baseball game.

None of those things are merely the signs of being a tough coach; those are all signs of someone who is deranged and has serious anger issues.

There's no reason we can't get someone like Glen Mason, who was a good coach and was tough and nobody's best friend, but was not off his rocker.

Bryan Mohr 5 years, 1 month ago

Maybe Mangino changed. If so, a reputable organization should help an employee (anger management), not force him out. Otherwise, very reputable coaches that worked with him for years did not back down from speaking well of him.

“He was very close with (players), appreciated them, did everything that was appropriate,” said Stoops, who worked with Mangino at both Kansas State and Oklahoma.

Added Snyder, asked whether he witnessed Mangino cross any lines during their eight years together in Manhattan: “That didn’t happen to my knowledge, and not a whole lot slips under the radar from that respect. He handled the players well.”

The firing of Mangino was a calculated witch-hunt to not have to buyout his full contract so Perkins could hire who he wanted.

This article needs to be read again:

and this one concerning how good a coach he was:

Armen Kurdian 5 years, 1 month ago

Remember that one time when he yelled during a game, "Play better, or I'll EAT you!"

David Kemp 5 years, 1 month ago

Beatty comments are clueless. "We've got to find some things we do well", really? But that would be nothing."we've got to really really practice" it's waaaay too late for that. If you can't do it by now practice isn't gonna get it. Time for Beatty and co to go.

Edward Daub 5 years, 1 month ago

Mesa , A Definition , "an elevated area of land with a flat top and sides that are usually steep cliffs"! KU's Offense has fallen off a cliff after losing Ribordy to Injury! Mesa Ribordy was evidently the MVP of the Offense. I hope he returns for KState from his "undisclosed" injury.

There is still Hope! All KU needs to do is Run the Table and go 5-0 to become Bowl Eligible! Do I hear Jim Mora in the Background shouting "Playoffs?Playoffs?"

In all seriousness, after watching a KState second string QB run circles around OU, I propose we need a "dual threat QB"! Please allow Carter Stanley to Start and Finish the KState Game, what does Prophet David have to lose?

Andy Godwin 5 years, 1 month ago

If the offensive line continues to resemble a sieve, then Bender will continue to produce little. Have to agree with Edward, that time to explore a more mobile QB who might not be as good of passer (Bender is much better when he has time, but you can see when hurried he is not very accurate).

Chris DeWeese 5 years, 1 month ago

The offense is totally impotent. Bender plays with concrete shoes. The offensive line allowed three down linemen to sack Bender. That's totally unacceptable. Without Mesa Ribordy, the line is completely lost. He was truly the glue that held what little offense we had together. I feel bad for Meacham as he's got to be regretting his decision to come to KU. What's even worse is it seems Beaty and Co have lost these players. You look at their expression on the field and the sideline, and it seems they've given up. They are deflated, and who wouldn't be after losing 6 straight games by such a wide margin?

Brad Watson 5 years, 1 month ago

Its time for Gene Chizik....a tough minded man with rings from national titles...a winner who i think would fit in well with the basketball minded culture...i think Self would like him immediately and he has the energy to build our program back to a respectable level...i think he would love the huge challenge...he strikes me as that kind of guy...and because of his past...he knows the southeast and Texas he can get a few recruits good enough to build a team around which is all we need...a competitive team that will get people out to the stadium and make Fall Saturdays enjoyable again...not to mention help the school and local economy...who knows...he might get Cam Newton to help with recruiting...make a phone with a up on a recruiting weekend...Chizik is least talk to the man and see what he thinks....see if he wants to climb Everest

Waylon Cook 5 years, 1 month ago

He had Cam Newton and won a title. Hell Beaty could do that.

His NCAA is also suspect as hell.

Brad Watson 5 years, 1 month ago

The SEC was at its peak when he won it....Bama and LSU and Georgia had great teams that year and he beat them all.

Brad Watson 5 years, 1 month ago

wikipedia the 2010 Auburn Football Team....they beat 4 teams in the top 15...they beat a ranked spurrier coached south carolina twice...beat bama at bama...i rest my case

Bryce Landon 5 years, 1 month ago

Without Cam Newton, Chizik was 19-19, and his last team went 3-9 and winless in the SEC. We've already been going winless in league play and winning no more than 3 games a season; why would we would to bring in Chizik for more of the same?

[''] 5 years, 1 month ago

One of the coaches we should be going after is now in negotiations for a new contract. News reports are now saying that because of the great job KC native and former KU asst coach Dave Doeren of NC State is doing that they are trying to better his contract from $2.2 M to lock him up there for a long time. He is likely out of our league now. KU needs to throw $4-$5M per yr at a top tier coach to get him here otherwise nickle and diming with a second tier coach will juts end up costing the program millions more in losses.

Barry Weiss 5 years, 1 month ago

As a fan, its hard to even get excited about at KU football game. With the direction that the program is heading each week, it's all about just predicting how bad we will be, how much we will lose by. I will go with K-State 45, KU 7. Hey, we scooooooooooooore! Moral victory!

Josh Berg 5 years, 1 month ago

So your offense cannot even get a first down without pulling teeth and you blame it on losing your center? Let's face it, this team has given up. It is unbelievably hard to keep the players motivated when they know they are going out there to get manhandled week after week. It is time to let some other people play. At this point, no starting job should be safe. Kick a little fire into these guys by making them earn their own spots at this point in the season. This may not change a whole lot but you have nothing to lose at this point.

I am also floored that we have this highly touted new OC and yet our offense looks just as bad, if not worst, than last year. All I know is they need to breathe some hope into this program because recruits are backing out week after week. How long before our good WR's coming in decide there are also better programs? Put all of this together and I believe this is all a leadership problem.

Brad Watson 5 years, 1 month ago

If my team looked as bad as our team does...i would resign...its the only honorable thing to do...21 yards of offense...the worst output ever in the modern age of a man and resign and we all will at least respect that. Its the class thing to do.

Bryan Mohr 5 years, 1 month ago

Why would a guy resign when he's going to get a $3.2m contract buyout? That's not honorable, that's stupid.

Chris Browning 5 years, 1 month ago

Gene Chizik could not find his butt with a bell on it at ISU and won a title at Auburn with the other coaches players...wrong.

I initially said keep Beaty for the rest of the year after the tech loss because it shows instability in a program getting a new coach every 3 years...but I've changed my tune. He and Zenger both need to go, Zenger immediately and Beaty at the end of the 3rd quarter vs OSU.

As far as the players, they've quit and are looking forward to playing next year with a new staff or transferring. Play some of the non starters, in fact play Everyone, go to the 3 deep, anything.

Brad Watson 5 years, 1 month ago

OK don't like Chizik....welll...Nick Saban....if you truly are the greatest coach of all time....if you truly want to be legendary....come to Lawrence and prove it....but I still like Chizik...he has beaten Saban and won it all....he can develop players...we aren't looking to win national championships here...just field a decent team

Lloyd Kinnison 5 years, 1 month ago

I have been aJayhawk since 1969 and have never experienced a loss as the last two outings. After reading Coach B’s comments, there appears to be a lack of awareness of the deficits the offensive and defensive coordinators have created. The GAs could coach better, How many potential players will decide on another team?

Titus Canby 5 years, 1 month ago

I'm trying to temper this with the fact that TCU is rated #3 in the country.

I only listened on the radio, and my first thought was that the team has quit on Beaty. But I don't think that's the case. It seems like several players were still giving it their all - Dineen and the entire defense, and Stanley. I don't think even Gill's teams weren't this bad.

Dennis Mahorney 5 years, 1 month ago

In the words of David (Captain Obvious) Beaty,"That production’s not very good”.....You can't make this stuff up.

David Kemp 5 years, 1 month ago

You are right. Every time he makes a statement I am in awe of what I'm hearing. He has to realize how stupid he sounds.

Bob Bailey 5 years, 1 month ago

Brent Venables, DC at ? no 3 team. Pay the money and take him.

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